Which one is the greatest RPG ever made?
Sup
Gothic 2
>hand-crafted open world with content everywhere and hidden stuff behind every rock
>better and more complex side quests
>more challenging combat
>Animated NPCs with daily routines
>Fully voiced
>Better character progression
>Better music
>Better world design
>More comfy
>More immersion
>Funny and memorable NPCs
>Memorable main character
Morrowind
>character customization
>more variety of builds
>better main story
>unique lore
>more freedom
>>380473036
Hey.
>>380473281
Hey babe
gothic 2
>>380473250
Morrowind also doesn't have Gothic's protagonist, which should count as three or perhaps even four points.
>>380472916
>Which one is the greatest RPG ever made?
Diablo 1 followed by diablo 2 and The Witcher 3
none of those you posted are any good.
Gothic 2 is actually good, Morrowind is just autism sandbox
>>380472916
>>380473036
Fallout 2 > Morrowind > Gothic 2 > Fallout: New Vegas > Fallout 1 > Daggerfall > Gothic
Gothic 2 shits on every Bethesda turd ever any day
All Bethesda games are boring dull pieces of trash, especially the TES series
>>380473036
>>380473281
>>380473662
< It's gaining ground fast. Nostalgia goggles can't deny.
>>380472916
Morrowind is fucking trash
>>380473036
>>>/rebbit/
>>380473036
nah
Oblivion is the RPG game ever created.
All of your shit games aforementioned are devoid of content, personality, character, and mostly importantly, roleplaying.
Gothic is streamlined linear trash with an autistic preset character, tiny world, boring, non-responsive NPC's and no lore to speak of.
Witcher is a non-RPG focused entirely on sex, no difficulty notable and no lore what so ever.
Fallout is pure cancer, that's all there is to it, vapid franchise for shitters who need to summarise their stats into literal "SPECIAL".
Oblivion shits all over your trash excuses for RPG's, kill yourselves.
>>380476460
>>380476716
>posting copypasta that can't formulate an argument beyond "terrible x" as a a complaint
About the level of intelligence I should expect from Morrowind/Gothic babies. Not that I should expect many valid excuses to hate the greatest RPG ever conceived.
>>380477080
>can't formulate an argument beyond "terrible x" as a a complaint
Neither did you
>>380477251
If you're going to copypaste something at least have it retain some credibility. I was giving a general overview of how inferior these series are to Oblivion specifically.
I bought gothic 2 a few days ago. Is it supposed to take a whole fucking minute to save the game every time?
>>380477628
>I was giving a general overview of how inferior these series are to Oblivion specifically.
You were giving "X is terrible because I said so" arguments
worthless
>>380477720
Never had anything like this, start looking for fixes or just deal with it
>>380477720
No, it saves in 2-3 seconds for me
is your PC shit?
>>380476460
>Oblivion is the RPG game ever created.
I agree.
>>380478572
You knew what I meant
>>380475262
you're not fooling anyone gothicfag
>>380478401
I tried looking but couldn't find anything about it.
>>380478410
I haven't had problems with anything else.
Switching from Gothic to Morrowind is like switching from Tesla S to a 1992 camry
Both are god tier but do things diffirently.
For example, Morrowind's strenght is based on lore and exploration while Gothic 2's is purely based on plot and dialogues
fight me
>>380475194
The Witcher 1 and 3 are two of my favourite games ever but TW3 is barely an RPG. Light RPG.
>>380480236
> Morrowind's strenght is based on lore and exploration while Gothic 2's is purely based on plot and dialogues
fight me
Morrowind's exploration is no match for Gothic
There is nothing in morrowind to explore besides tombs and caves because there are no items in the overworld, enemies are rare as hell and most buildings just have useless trash inside them
in Gothic there's a secret or something unique LITERALLY every 10 steps
>>380473250
>better main story
really niBBa?
>>380480562
Why are you impersonating me? You're taking my webms and naming them the same things I named them. This is getting quite creepy.
>bruh lets make the same thread every day comparing 2 incomparable games that'll be hella epic lmao
>Want to replay Gothic 2
>Returning 2.0 will NEVER get a proper translation
>>380480935
that's what happens when you click the download arrow by the filename
so what was so bad about arcania gothic 4
it's pretty cheap on ps4
>>380481695
have you played the first two games?
if yes then I'll tell you why it's worse than 1 and 2
if no then just believe me when I say it's garbage
>>380481312
Not only that, he's been making the exact same threads I have made in the past, and even went as far as to copy my typing style and saving my copypastas.
>>380481695
Its not a gothic game.
>>380472916
am I back to 2004?
>>380481942
maybe if you didn't shitpost so much people wouldn't emulate your shitposts to garner a reaction
Never played a Gothic game, and only played a tiny bit of the elder scroll series, but love RPGs. Should I start with Gothic 1 or 2? Also, any 'required' mods (like SHTUP/SS2Tool for SS2, no new content, just improvements to the base game)?
>>380482404
Gothic 2 is much more accessible, and the DX11 mod is a good one to start with.
>>380482404
buy the GoG version, install DX11 for Gothic 2
start with 1
>>380479320
>Home Premium
>Not Ultimate
>>380482404
>Never played a Gothic game
>only played a tiny bit of the elder scroll seriesbut >love RPGs
anon, jrpgs are not RPGs.
>>380476460
>stats into literal "SPECIAL
>not understanding the difference between stats and attributes
>>380482639
Jesus, this looks beyond horrible.
>>380482995
baby sees a game from 2001 for the first time?
>>380472916
Of the two? Morrowind by a mile. But neither are actually the greatest RPG ever made.
>>380472916
Gothic 2 night of the raven is my favorite ARPG of all times so there you go.
They are both good for different reasons. Sorry for the centrist cuck cant choose a side reply but its true.
>>380482718I haven't played any JRPGs besides FFT:A, really played a TON of isometric RPGS ala Fallout 1/2, Planescape, Arcanun, Icewind Dale, shadowrun, div:os, underrail (I hope the underrail expansion is good), ect as well as 3D RPGs like KOTOR 1/2, Neverwinter, witcher 1/2/3 (1 was BY FAR the best imo), da:origin and like every ARPG/good FPS RPG, just not enough time in one life to play everything ;_;
>>380483109
lmfao those graphics are trash!!! How did you play this shit without wanting to blow your brains out.
>unironically defending garbage
Millennials are truly the cucked generation.
Gothic 2 wins obviously
There are no words to describe how much work and passion went into Gothic 2 as opposed to lazy, lifeless, dull, empty, copy+paste Morrowind turd
Gtohic vs morrowind shit is exactly like dark souls vs witcher 3 shit.
I like gothic and dark souls more than morrowind and witcher 3 though.
>>380483717
I think its only obvious if you have Notr installed, otherwise its a close tie.
>>380472916
IMO Morrowind was too open world for my taste, most of the time there was nothing there, just random blasted landscape. G2 is compact and there's something everywhere.
Different strokes for different folks but gothic 2 has better gameplay than morrowind therefore better game.
Gothic 2 has a better OST
Planning on doing dex build in gothic 2 notr, any tips?
The trifecta - Morrowind, Fallout 2, Gothic 2.
Amazing games, amazing stories, real role playing experience.
>>380484337
I really don't like new look with lhavier mod for some reason.
>>380481901
why does it suck though? different developer?
haven't played gothic at all but i'm into modern action rpgs
>>380484391
https://forum.worldofplayers.de/forum/archive/index.php/t-858384.html
>>380483109
This looks like a game you would see in Newgrounds.
>>380475262
>This webm everytime
>gets shit on everytime
At this point this is blantant falseflagging
>>380472916
morrowind is the better story game
gothic 2 is the better game game
>>380472916
skyrim
>>380484559
Just don't touch that piece of shit
If i wanted to tell you why it's garbage I could write for hours
it's basically ride to hell retribution of RPGs
>>380472916
Skyrim of course :D
Both were fantastic.
What are some open world games where the woods are so dense and mysterious like in Gothic 2?
>>380475262
Maybe if your skills weren't forced to 1 you wouldn't have this much of a problem.
>>380485742
>>380486547
NO DON'T DO THAT WITCHER 3 SUCKS BECUASE GOTHIC 2 YOU CAN GET A WEAPON FROM A DEAD ORC!!
there are people right in this fucking thread who never played or even never heard of L'Hiver Mod (+Dx11 Mod) for Gothic 2
http://imgur.com/a/c1Vfv
>>380486547
No, I want games where I go into the woods and explore on my own, get lost, go in the wrong direction and end up walking into a shadowbeast that will fuck me up in one hit
I don't want to have my path highlighted by a GPS all the time and every exact position of every monster and everything shown on the map
>>380486632
Witcherfag is still buttblasted because TW3 has noquests and nocombat
>>380476024
>implying you can do non-lethal in NV
>>380483703
Don't be a fucking nonce. You could get past graphics in '01 and you can get past them in 2017 too, Millennial twat.
>>380484559
yes, different dev.
backstory:
jowood (the publisher that published gothic 2 and its addon) was facing an increasingly dire financial situation by the time PB were working on gothic 3, so jowood put crazy pressure on them to release it ASAP, hoping for some money. this resulted in gothic 3 being released in an unfinished state, the game was a mess full of bugs and broken shit, and is generally considered a heavy disappointment compared to the first two games.
PB and jowood then had a major falling out over this, with PB refusing to work with them again. this resulted in PB going off to another publisher (deep silver i think) while the Gothic IP stayed in jowood's posession due to contracts that had been signed earlier.
now jowood was near bankrupt and in desperate need of money, so they hired the absolute cheapest noname dev team they could find, and made them create a new gothic game on a super tight schedule and with a tiny budget. the result was arcania, and it's exactly as bad as expected.
(jowood soon went bankrupt and doesnt exist anymore)
>>380486632
How does a game from 2002 that's not about hunting monsters has better monster hunting than a game from 2015 that's all about monster hunting?
>>380487351
>>380487065
stop playing with companions
>>380487351
You don't even get epic cutscene and sex with Trissfu afterwards, fucking loser game
>>380486814
Good thing you can disable GPS in Witcher 3
>>380473036
/thread
>>380486814
Pretty much Dragon's Dogma m8
As someone who loved W1, W3 had such an odd disconnect between the art style/lore/'graphics design' (i.e. the environments) and the really bland gameplay/UI. It's like some higher-up decided it needed to be more like Skyrim, so they shoved all this awful radar/quest tracking crap in. So strange in comparison to riding roach down a tiny path on the spine of a huge hill, next to an ocean with a beautiful sunset in the background, swords swaying on your back.
>>380472916
>fighting over which shit game is less shit from the other
How cute
Pic related is still the best RPG ever created
>>380488598
By that logic Fallout 4 is a better RPG than MGSV, so you're really shooting yourself in the foot there.
None, both games play and look like fucking horseshit.
>>380488598
>RPG
>you already have a pre-established chracter
it loses instantly just because of that
>we'll probably never have a golden era of the videogames of the same magnitude of 1998-2005 era
>>380488852
Be quiet you stupid child.
>>380489104
>t. kurwa
accept the refugees already before you get anchlussed again
>>380487351
>>380487510
WITCHERFAGS IM WAITING FOR AN ANSWER
>>380488921
there were still great games made after that
even today, good games are made
but for some reason theres not nearly as many of them as there used to be
also, for some reason, back then the 'big' games, the AAA titles, were often really good. but today they are almost universally shit.
At what in progress Gothic 2 do 2H stop being shit?
In Gothic 1, at the least where endgame gear.
So far they don't seem worth the fucking skill investment.
>>380489425
yeah we still get good games every now and then but as you said they're so scare now
>>380489540
what chapter are you on, how much STR, 2h skill and what weapon
>>380489694Still on chapter 1,WHY IS IT SO FUCKING LONG, REEEEEEEEEEE
>>380489891
then make sure you get to a new fighting rank in 2h and not just dump everything in STR
and start NoTR during Act 2 (do the ornament quest and then ask lares to help you find the missing ornament pieces)
>>380490243
But its so many fucking LP. I still need another 4-5 levels before I can even reach the next fucking rank, and thats too far into the future. I just don't get the design behind this at all.
>>380490517
duh it's a meme shilled by a raging autist
sorry you had to find out this way
>>380490517
Leveling up to lvl 5 is easy as fuck and fast, stop spending LP on useless shit.
Are you expecting to be some kind of God at the beginning of the game? Of course your damage is shit at the beginning
>>380490517
Woah, you need to play the game for a bit before your character gets strong
WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?
>>380491650
>Are you expecting to be some kind of God at the beginning of the game?
I expected to not be completely fucking LP starved. Is it too much to ask for?
Like all the cool weapons have like insane +50 stat requirements. And they are fucking everywhere.
I just fucking expected 2H Fighter to not be a bottom feeder. WTF
Dragons dogma could have been a GOAT game boys. I-It c-could have b-been amaz..... *dies
>>380488852
Guess gothic 2 is shit too.
>>380492557
Who said I liked Gothic 2?
>>380492178
What weapon are you using right now and how much STR do you have
I remember when I played 2h I rolled with the Judge's Staff which was a decent 2h weapon you could buy at one of the merchants.
Then I used a 2h weapon I found in one of the guard towers
And with STR belts and rings getting 35 STR is no challenge at all. I think I didnt even put any LP in STR to wear the judge's staff, I just used all the STR belts and rings I found. Then you can put LP into 2h
>>380492178
>Like all the cool weapons have like insane +50 stat requirements
because they are made for mid game not chapter 1
>>380490517
NOTR specifically exists for people who know G2 throughly. Either play vanilla or git gud
>>380492676
Any rpg game without a party system is shit.
>you will never play G2 for the first time
I'M SUFFERING
>>380492991
Then why drop them in chapter 1? In Gothic 1 you had shit like equipment vendor scaling with chapter, so you didn't run into level normal bandits rats dropping 40+str claymores.
I expect Gothic II to not be a shit game, but holy fuck: How do you fuck up chapter 1? One of the things Gothic 1 did really well, was that you levelled stupidly fast, so you had LP to spend on non combat stuff.
>>380486910
>>380487351
What's that? I can't hear you over the 800+ awards TW3 got.
>>380493745
Are you retarded
Gothic 2 has merchant scaling too
If you can't use the weapon yet just keep it in your fucking inventory and wait till you can and meanwhile use a weapon that you can, there's plenty of good weapons for early game if you know where to find them
I never run out of LP to spend on stuff, and leveling up is really fast so not sure whats the problem
I'm itching to do another Morrowind playthrough. Does anyone have ideas for a roleplay build?
>>380493745
gothic 1 was also a much shorter game
you could complete gothic 1 in 20h while 2 will take around 60
it's much slower burning
>Then why drop them in chapter 1?
why not?
>>380493330
Shit taste
Kill yourself
Gothic 2 was shit at the time of release and is even shitter now DO NOT fall for this /v/ meme.
>>380494338
I just started the first Gothic and it looks cool so far tbqh.
>>380493745
This isn't Bamham 3: Wild Handholding where the loot you find scales to your level and you ONLY find weapons that are normal for your level
In Gothic 2 if you're lucky you can find the most powerful weapon in the entire game at the beginning and then not be able to use it for tens of hours
>>380494090
Go witch hunting or daedra hunting. Use a bow and carry around soul gems to trap these vile creatures
>>380494309
Okay let me restate. Any 'rpg' without a party system isnt actually an rpg. Its more important than a character creator.
>>380487351
>>380487510
>>380489383
STILL WAITING FOR AN ANSWER FROM WITCHERFAGS
>>380495608
>Okay let me restate. In my own opinion, any 'rpg' without a party system isnt actually an rpg. This is just my personal view of the RPG genre as there is no universal definition of what an RPG is.
Fixed that for you, I think you misspelled what you were really trying to say
>>380495861
Witcher 3 is the GOAT rpg then
>>380494971
No, but its sorta flawed.
I.E Weapon scaling for 2H is fucked unless you rebind left-right attack into something that isn't delete or page down.
>>380496607
Who said anything about TW3?
Is it me or is Gothic II's skybox next level? What gives?
>>380487065
Shut up spoony.
comfy af tbqh senpai
>>380482639
Why the GOG version?
Gothic 2 no competition
>>380473250
>Gothic 2
>better music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8u7f_Xcnm-k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJD-Ufi1jGk
Give me some of that you've been smoking.
>>380498507
because it's already patched and ready to play, steam version is fucked and requires you to install patches to work
>>380494971
>my baby rpg is greater than your baby rpg wahhh
rpgs are the most casual genre. This is sad.
Neither but Gothic 2 isn't even close to Morrowind. It's generic, boring and clunky whereas Morrowind was actually an immersive, creative and fun TES.
Morrowind is one of my absolute favorite games of all time, but I never finished it due to all the fun I had with mods
I liked Gothic 1, but hated the backtracking and generally got bored when I got close to finishing it
I liked Fallout 1, but never finished it (no idea why, I liked the game)
I fucking loved Baldur's Gate, but haven't started 2 yet due to being unsure whether my Kensai will get his shit kicked in
Should I play
>reinstall Morrowind and try to finish it this time
>Gothic 2 NOTR
>Fallout 2
>Arcanum
>reinstall New Vegas and actually finish the game and DLCs
>Baldur's Gate 2
>Wizardry 8
>>380498703
>cherrypicking
some OST in Gothic 2 are just ok, but some are superior to Morrowind. And there's much more tracks than Morrowind which has like 10 tracks played over and over everywhere
And the soundtrack is hand-picked for different locations in the game so that it fits, instead of just playing randomly everywhere
And of course they are different soundtracks. Morrowind's OST is more cheerful, more "adventurey" while Gothic 2's OST is supposed to be mysterious and be comfy yet at the same time remind you that you're in a dangerous place.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HmBEO-Z324
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmYNslGnEBM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFcD1Dxl-R0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xk_GOVx9-0
>>380498907
hahaha
>>380499214
play Gothic 2, it doesn't have as much backtracking as Gothic 1 and the quests are generally much better and it's overall a much better game
>>380499214
Kensai are considered to be some of the most retardedly strong classes in BG2, most people solo the game with kensai mages. If you install ToB you can get stupid strong
>>380498706
Are you sure? How hard is it to get the Steam versions up and running?
>>380499214
This is why I tell people to start with Gothic 2. Gothic 1 has interesting setting, but it's a meh game compared to Gothic 2.
>>380473036
>Fallout 2 better than Fallout
>>380499796
Kensai mage is an old meme that hasn't been relevant in years. As a general rule multi classing is way worse than dual classing.
>>380499824
> How hard is it to get the Steam versions up and running?
From what I've read on /v/ it's a lottery
Some people don't even need to install patches, some people have to install patches and then it works, and some people can't get it to run even after installing all patches
but I haven't seen anybody complaining about GoG version
>>380500028
FO1 is only better when it comes to main quest. FO2 is a better RPG/open world, and it has magnitudes more content. Oil Rig is a shitty way to end the game though, has none the charm of Cathedral or Mariposa, I don't even go there on my replays
>>380499796
>"Kensai are considered to be some of the most retardedly strong classes"
>proceeds to talk about kensai mages
I'm solo classing a Kensai, not a dual/multi class shitter
>>380499473
>the soundtrack is hand-picked for different locations
Yeah, that's a really good feature to have. Also TES games have always lacked in atmospheric sound design in my opinion. Morrowind becomes an amazing experience with that sound effect mod which adds like over a thousand of different sounds, all hand placed.
>>380500054
But kensai/mage is a dual though?
Gothic feels like a living world with real people in it, Morrowind feels like just a dead empty piece of map with static poles as NPCs and you just go from one tomb to another
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY-lrCAH_1Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgyHpqqtctg
>tfw good dubbing times are over, forever
Gothic in polish was fucking gold
>>380501025
What a weird mod
Why the fuck would entire Khorinis wrapped in vines
>>380500745
Switch it around then. I always get the terms confused.
Fighter/Mage is better than Kensai->Mage.
>>380501761
Would you prefer ferns?
Why the fuck does the steam version just not work?
I start a new game and it just alt tabs me and doesn't work.
>>380502925
>he uses steam
fucking christ, get out
>>380498703
morrowind has like 3 tracks kek
worst music in TES
>>380495685
I don't get it.
Was that webm supposed to be scary?
>>380498703
At least post actual (one) good track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSr2Aj3RtaA
>>380503603
No, it's supposed to show hunting a shadowbeast
>>380504459
wrong webm
>>380504459
>gothic faggot is also a cu/ck/
every time
>>380500408
>but I haven't seen anybody complaining about GoG version
that's because everyone who use GoG are massive shills; if their game doesn't work they won't complain about it publicly either as they won't slander their precious Polack site in any way
So now we can agree Gothic 2 is equal to Morrowind?
>>380506434
>salmonella intensifies
>>380506434
Daggerfall, Morrowind, Gothic, and Gothic II are all RPG kino. some of the best of the genre, that despite their flaws and aging still hold up well for anyone willing to spend 5 minutes getting used to them
>>380506434
>red/pink bird meat equals salmonella
You've never had duck or pigeon I guess.
Obligatory video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVYrALStucs
Does someone know the name of that guy on youtube that did a videos shitting on Gothic 3 expansion and praising the design of 1/2?
He talked weird so he was probably German or some shit.
This seems to be a thread of informed people with refined RPG tastes.
Is Divinity OS worth playing for the single player campaign?
I'm currently playing Divine Divinity, which is pretty good. However, I found Divinity 2 to be incredibly mediocre. And yes, I know the three are utterly different games.
>>380509028
One of the best combat systems ever, but if you're looking for good written story or dialogues it's not there. It's quite humorous though.
>>380474045
diablo 1 and 2 aren't rpgs, they are fucking korean skinner box grinding games for people who have lost control of their life
>>380509028
divinity OS is fun. good combat. it's turn based combat, frankly i don't have a problem with realtime with pause.
the campaign is kind of shit. really uninteresting and the tone is a mess. but the level of interactivity available hasn't been seen since the ultima games. that said i didn't even finish the game because i got bored and an rpg with bad boring writing is a cardinal sin.
it's fun with co-op but i couldn't find someone who wanted to play the game without skipping all the dialogue. fucking illiterates
>>380510975
>they're not rpgs because they have an optional endgame grind
>>380511561
>level of interactivity available hasn't been seen since the ultima games
not him, but I take it you've played Ultima VII? care to redpill me on that game? I've heard people praise it, but the perspective looks horrible.
>>380512318
i haven't played ultima 7 that's just what people have told me. like from what i've heard there is a huge degree of freedom in how you play that game.
>>380509028
>1 mediocre overrated RPG
>1 shitty long forgotten RPG
>This seems to be a thread of informed people with refined RPG tastes.
Okay.
I hear so much talk about Gothic 2. Is it really that good? Why exactly is it so well loved? Just formula done right?
>>380514108
what are some rpgs, big guy?
>>380514108
>talk about Fallout, Fallout 2, New Vegas, Morrowind, Gothic 2, Baldur's Gate 2
>these games are somehow not good
fuck off.