Hey /v/. Can we talk about this game and how comfy it was?

>>380465638

>Implying anyone on /v/ has played enough of it to participate in clan pvp.
>Implying anyone on /v/ has played enough of it to participate in high level raids
>Implying anyone on /v/ has played it at all

>>380465638
yea man it was so good

c2 or c3 was really good getting one shot by nigger THs

fuck you for reminding me

>>380465638
Played Hawkeye along with my Prophet slave prelude to Interlude. The joys of fight off other guilds in TOI to get the raid boss spawns.

Elven Village, hunter village, enchanted valley, very comfy, but enchanted valley was a pain.

>tfw this music starts playing
https://youtu.be/J0HoY16NAgQ

>>380468128
Lineage2 has some of the best fantasy music of all time.

https://youtu.be/JZzkGwYRR-I
This login screen would always get me to pumped to explore the world and get full immersed.

>>380465638
This game is too hard for /v/-kids who grew up playing Runescape, WoW and other themepark MMOs.

>>380468128
so much memories :( really sad but this song is one of the best

>>380468924
I feel like Themepark MMOs ruined MMOs... Nobody wanted a game that was open and gave no direction. I loved doing my own thing exploring the world and finding good spots to farm. You had to set goals for yourself, there was some quest but they didn't really do much early on. I remember having to get some sword blades killing orc snipers in elven ruins on Talking Island, but the time I got all the blades, I farmed enough money to buy a way better sword.

I remember finding the dragon quest and finally getting my dragon pet, and I was so proud of it. My dragon ended up getting agro by some mob and I got killed and it died, and by the time I got back there the dragon pet died for real. I was so heart broken. I couldn't Res my Dragon! I took a few days off.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62Nl7CmdwUU

WTB good MMO in 2017 10kkk adena + my soul

>>380466205
Nigger what are you even talking about. Lineage 2 was popular as shit. The moment I introduced it in our high school It disabled any academic or social progress for the remaining duration of our education there. Even Chads and normies played it.

It was comfy as fuck.
But just remembering how much you had to farm for high level gear hurts.

>>380470379
Lineage II was the most popular MMO at the time it came out in NA. It was killed by wow a few months later though (both came out in 2004).

>>380465638
Played until the Kamael update.
I tried to replay some years later, but now it's full of instancied zone. What's the point ? The fun was to being able to clanVSclan everywhere, even in the middle of a raidboss (or worldboss, Antharas PVP was the best).

Also they transformed Talking Island from the comfiest place in a vidya to a shitty lagging hubb
I don't even want to think about what they did to Dion town.

>>380470439
Or getting the recipes for 60% and watch it blow up right in front of you. Turning your weapons to crystal because you tried to over enchant them... the struggle was real, but it was so good!

>>380470261
FF XIV is the closest thing to L2 in terms of music and atmosphere:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSKNntvdRJk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys1M-zftP4I

>>380468924
Whoa, fuck off. Runescape was not a themepark!

>>380465638
I played at launch and it was pretty awesome for its time DESU. It was also the most polished MMO when it came out. WoW came out the same year and killed it. The grind was pretty stupid though and never went back to seriously play it again.

>>380470261
I remember my first time during a Dion castle siege. It felt so real! 1000s of people outside of town armies getting ready to attack the castle. my computer getting like 2 fps and literally on fire. Reds running around causing problems before the siege. That one guy riding his strider.

IT WAS SO FUCKING COOL.

Why don't other MMOs have cool shit like that anymore?

>>380470564
Not in Poland bro. You either was a piece of shit and you played Tibia or you played Lineage. I remember fondly the Times of C4 and my Temple Knight.

>>380470738
I didn't mean that, anon. Sorry. I was just listing things and fucked up. Only meant to call WoW a themepark.
Runescape is a sandbox mmo with a ton of social engineering.

>>380470638
>FF XIV
Now, THIS is a themepark.

>>380465638

My first love is an elf magic instructor

Early times off mmo was comfy, you could trick people so easily.

I remember tricking some french guy to keep dropping and picking up his weapon while we were in a party with random loot.

Karma system was great too, it allowed people to kill anyone and still act decent toward lowbies

My friend played this.

But, the only MMO I ever played was World of Warcraft

>>380471253
FFxiv 1.0 was anything by theme park. It was the last old school mmo, but some stupid shit like an over encumbrance of windows and confirmations, leve quest, and no money sinks. It had potential, but Yoshi P turned it into a wow clone and it became shit.

>>380471550
The Karma system is what kept pvp amazing.

I remember buying a crappy no grade dagger from the npc for 56k. And selling it for 4.5 Million for a C grade Dagger that used the same icon. I felt bad about it, but fuck man I needed money. and you should always read the item name and description.

>>380470638

Doesn't work

What made L2 special was not the music or atmosphere even if they were great. There were always and still are plenty of games with good soundtracks, artstyles and whatnot.

L2 was special because of it's completely organic open world PvP battles and non-instanced raid bosses. Wars between clans could happen literally anywhere, anytime.
Two clans need some resource that is only dropped by some lizardmen in the middle of bumfuck nowhere? 12 hour 500 player clan war incoming. two clans want the same raid boss dead? You bet your ass there's going to be a massive three way battle between the two clans and the boss. A pissed off rival clan want to impede the training of your new lower lever recruits? They're gonna send some goons to pk camp them until your clan organizes bodyguard groups.

This is without even going into random daily world pvp with looneys that didn't like the armour you are wearing, though you were farming monsters too fast or just wanted tome plain ol soulshoty action.

Games AND players nowadays seem to be almost completely against the idea of any kind of meaningful organic world pvp nowadays. Everything has to be instanced, only happen at max level, and only happen when you are comfortable with it.

>>380471741
That's a shame. Didn't know that.

By the way, did anyone know that the soundtrack for Lineage 2 was composed by Jamie Christopherson(Bill Brown as well) WHO IS THE FUCKING GUY WHO COMPOSED THE METAL GEAR RISING SOUNDTRACK!???

>>380466205
>TH playing dead in Dragon Valley
>PKing noobs

Clan wars
>Shit internet
>4 large clans fighting over a castle
>charge with a group into an invisible group and die.
It was still pretty fun

>>380468128
>>380468812
>>380470261
Still trying to find a video featuring the music crystal consumables you could play.
Maybe it was a private server thing, that's a large possibility.

>>380472298
This 100%

After playing lineage2 and loving the pvp, played wow and it was pretty good pvp, but not as good as lineage2. Then they added battlegrounds and it killed world pvp. I quit wow for about 2 years and went back to L2 before going back because it was then the only okay mmo or private servers.

>>380473171
Yeah, might have been a private server thing.
but I believe they were called echo crystals if that helps.

>>380473646
i remember them but i only played in private servers too

Has allot changed since the Kamael update?

>>380473171
>>380473646
>>380473791

I'm pretty sure those were in global too
https://youtu.be/JzMRK2GddmA?t=5025

1:23:45 is one such example i think
3:08:48 is another

>>380474001
It's not even the same game, and is pay to win, and for awhile there was full Brazilian.

>>380474001
It basically became generic korean mmo.

>>380474157
>>380474326
Fuck me i played L2 for several years and wanted to see if it was worth picking back up that's just a bummer man.

>>380474529
I believe russians still have decent l2 private servers, but they are filled with russians

>>380474748
There is official classic L2 server with paid subscription. I believe it's c4 version or interlude.

t. russian

>>380474087
Thanks for the link. 9 hours holy fuck.

>>380473791
I only played private servers. Played one with a friend that had a high rate so i could grind easy adena for enchanting and another one with a guild that was normal rate.
Spent a lot of time grinding for mats in Cruma tower. Lot of pvp in there too.

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I know, you fapped to dark elf feamels A LOT.

>>380475391
15 year old me sure did no question.

>>380475391
I still remember running animation. DE female would tilt her upper body forward and her milkers would bounce, shit was great

>>380475391
13 year old me did. Even the female dwarves weren't safe.

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https://youtu.be/w3KP9YwsADU
https://youtu.be/Kg8tJ9Wq_5Q
>Tfw you haven't played the game in like 10 years but can still recite all the spell incantations of every race after hearing the first syllable

Except orc females, who the fuck played that shit.

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>>380475391
HHNNNNNG

>comfy

This game was totally not comfy

The hugely widespread PvP ganking and griefing along with soul shot spamming was the opposite of comfy.

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>>380476129

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>>380475391
>>380476129
Truly the pinnacle of elves.

>>380476263
they added on release the ability to right-click your soul-shots so your hand didn't break off.

>>380476263
no one spammed soul shots manually, once you started to use them you just set them to consume automatically. It was just consumable everyone used.

>>380476573
Not in Beta, which was when I tried the game and decided fuck this.

I still don't care for the idea of a consumable that increases damage for each hit.

>>380476773
gotta buy those soulshots, clans needed them taxes!

This game was fucking hardcore.

On Teon i believe it was people took clan fights and wars for real.

By that i mean real world fighting in bars and shit. One crazy russian top player stabbed one other player and got thrown into jail kek.

People didnt fuck around with this game.

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>>380477330
>tfw I have fapped to this
No regrets.

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>>380465638

Imagine if WoW didn't overtake L2 in the west. Imagine how different the MMO development philosophy would be if developers had decided to copy L2s mechanics instead of WoWs

>>380477853
Black desert? That's the closest mmo i can compare to it atm.

>>380478084
that shit is just another wow clone

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>>380465638
I played until C4 and it was great. Grindy as fuck but entertaining especially when raiding with your guild.
I miss the old NCSoft

>>380470261
This song makes me sad because i was raped so many times by PKs in Dion

>>380478367
In what fucking way turbo nigger? It's not even tab target

>>380479112
I know that feel, first time trying to get out to neutral zone I was killed so many times I could get past level 19. I would grind and get to level 19 then killed back to level 18, I didn't have the money to go and teleport anywhere else, and from what I understand it was all a gank fest. Still I came back a few months later and I bunkered down started really playing.

>first mmo i ever played
>played with my dad when i visited on weekends
>he didn't have extra chairs so i had to sit on a box with a pillow on top.
>we eventually switched to playing a private server together with multiplied experience
>server runners held events like strider races
>dad and i participated in one. i started at the front of the pack and him in back
>at some point i fell behind, and i couldn't navigate through the area.
>dad gives up on winning race. looks around the area.
>realizes he can just drop down into the finish line. comes in 3rd
>top 3 finishers get a choice of a hero token or +25 weapon (or whatever the max was). dad chose the +25 staff.
>becomes one of the strongest people on the server
>one time me and dad are farming in some cave dungeon
>dagger user (been awhile, dont remember classes) brings a train of monsters to us and fakes death.
>dad mass sleeps. kills them all one by one
>guy tries this multiple times. never kills him.
>people always tried to kill him for his staff, nobody ever succeeded until the server shut down
>he wasn't particularly good at pvp, but he didn't need to be when he 1shotted almost everyone

the comfiest mmo memories i have

>>380480520
That is a good story anon, my dad would yell at me for playing Linaege2.

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>>380465638

>mfw /v/ is actually discussing Lineage 2

I fucking love this game, never forget this shit senpai. C3 - C4 were fucking amazing. Shame the latest chronicle will never live up to those days.

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>>380465638
>mfw still playing this right now

That feel when doing your job change quest, 3 really long quests all over the world, no money for teleports, running back and forth. Running down death pass out around 4am and pass out while running, wake up dead...

>>380482772

Remember fucking around with teleports without actually realizing how expensive certain ones are. Ended up wasting all my money teleporting around the world and ending up in rune township as a level 20-something.

It was one hell of a trip running from the rune city all the way back to gludin on foot.

>>380465638
To this day this is my best MMO experience. Ever.

>>380484213
LOL holy shit,

Yeah, I would teleport around at level 60 thinking I was loaded with cash, only to find out I just spent like 500k on teleporting that day, it hurt, it hurt real bad.

I loved how they ended up making it so C4 conent was linked to the prelude stuff with the dwarfs. I remember dwarfs had to teleport to a nooby town to get out. When I made my dwarf in c4, I ran all the way down to talking island. It was no simple journey and took hours and hours and death.

Anyone in here from L2Revolt or L2Signs/L2Memories?

>>380485968
Lineage2 Extreme, and Lineage2 Dragon Network.

>>380486389
The L2Xtreme that was closed by the FBI? Or just one of the copycat servers?
Boy that was a while ago

>>380486576
Yeah it was closed by the FBI. I played on Staris server there, and for Dragon Network. I played on Dragon? I can't remember the server for Dragon network. I was in Old-School (one of the top guilds) on both servers, If you remember p1ng he was the leader and a was a pretty cool guy, and we would do raid bosses 3pm to 2am every day.

>>380486576
>>380487395
>private server closed by the FBI
What? I played on that server why did they get shutdown?

>>380487776
Because private servers were and still are illegal.

>>380488031
Not true, they were making $20k a day. Its one thing to host a private server, its another to make money doing it.

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>tfw you finally crafted your Samurai Longsword

Damn. I miss this game. It was grindy, and some quests could turn your hair grey. But PvP, sieges, raids and world design were anmazing. Female dwarves were horrible though. I know guys who developed lolicon because of them.

>>380488478
I liked my dwarf, I used to spoil good on her, but she was no sexy, but just cute.

>>380488478
Dwarves were cute.

>tfw when templar popping ultimate defence
>tfw when lightning strike actually froze someone and everyone in the the net cafe was taking pictures
>ahegao.png

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>>380488665
>>380488770
I'm not saying they weren't. But next to male dwarves they looked weird.

>>380489393
I liked the classic male dwarf, it was weird old men being the only male dwarf version, and females were 14 year olds.

>all this talk about dwarves
>remember a moment on a private server where a dozen guys including me made dwarves and called themselves the santa gang
>you had a dozen dwarves running around in santa hats with golems running around top floor TOI terrorizing the most popular PVP spot with lines like
>You've all been naughty
>HOHOHOHOHOHOHOHO
>Santa has a present for you
>i will never ever have that much fun ever again because bantz or randomness isn't allowed anymore
I had screenshots, but shit was like a decade ago and they're all lost fuck me.

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>korean version had fancy underwear
>NA had some basic clothes instead

Good thing you could mod it back.

I saw a clan of 50 take down roughly 600 people with trickery, guile, lies and Chinese Gold farmers in a castle defense. Good times.

>>380491768
there were nude mod.
Everyone in my school was talking about it as it came out. good times.

This was my childhood. Interlude was fucking amazing. Then they went full retard with Kamael.

>>380468812
>tfw one of the composers later went to work on Metal Gear Rising

I'm own master now is Lineage II as fuck.

>>380465638
still playing on free russians servers, all is ok.

>>380491768
It was hard to main a Dark Elf, because you would always either be hard, or dehydrated from cumming to much.

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>>380493386
All the female design were pretty top tier.

>>380469996
>WOW is made
>makes insane amounts of money
>"If we just make half of what WOW is making we could be RICH"
>everyone took the most expensive IP they could find and with a few minor adjustments shat out their WOWclone
>they all died
>new MMOs arent made because expensive and the crowd is already spread over 20 halfdead MMOs
>there is no sandbox MMO to clone

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Even the orc women looked good how did they pull it off?

>>380494226
Maybe Ashes of Creation will be good? It seems to have a pvp system like Lineage2 with flagging and stuff.

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>>380475824
Female dwarves > all

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>>380465638
>tfw we used to play this with 8 irl friends, mostly pvping and raiding
>tfw we used to talk about it on the way home
>tfw the group count declined as the years passed
>tfw the group doesn't exist anymore

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Reminder that it was Richard Garriott who made L2 so good and everything went downhill after he left NCSoft

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>>380495352
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0kg8rbyieE

>>380495489
Since when Garriott had anything to do with L2? As far as I remember, NCSoft hired him to work on Tabula Rasa only.

>>380465638
Oh my god, an L2 thread on /v/? One with more than 20 replies?

Now let me tell you. I have spent ungodly, absurd, life crippling amounts of time on this game. This fucking game is probably one of the biggest reasons why I'm an awkward guy with underdeveloped social skills. I spent about 6-7 years of my teen life doing literally nothing but play this game. At some point after I started playing in C2 I went from a relative normie to someone who completely stopped going out or interacting with other people. My life was consumed. I've probably spent about 15000 - 20000 hours.in this game. And no that's not an exaggeration. I literally played this game for 10-14 hours every day for years.
It has probably caused irreversable damage to my life. And the worst thing is, I'm not even sure if I regret it.

>>380495352
I now remembered this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAXmnjjolNc

>>380495115
No, its the same old bullshit about how you can do different things to help out but in the and it are a bunch of professions programmed by the devs and its completely on rails. 90% of these kinds of games that offer super unique worlds is that all those side objectives are barely moving you forward. The XP gain is abysmal. PvP is always lagfilled zergfests or just incredibly unbalanced. With MMOs you either get a western game that is released too early with not enough content that dies out. Or a korean MMO that has its unique features that push the medium forward buried under layers and layers of RNG and grinding.
Last MMO I tried was Black desert. At the one hand it has a load of cool features like many side professions, making money and getting XP with crafting, a nice world with a bunch of cool places, a system that has NPCs father for you so you can focus on different things. But then they have a disgusting grind and RNG based upgrading that just kills it. And then you run into the limits of programming and you find out it isnt as freeform as you think.

>>380485968
L2Vendetta was my first private server experience
>those donations
>server admin creating a super-clan and invited every single BR in the server since they were assblasted
>tfw he was running fully geared and PKd everyone with no regards to losing any gear
Whew

>>380496075
He was producer for this game up until c4 I believe. Same with Tabula Rasa.

>>380496212
Yes! I remember this. Good times.

Why couldn't L2J have stopped at Freya? I wish someone would backport all the patches to older versions, because High5 isn't even comfy with all the Shilen bullshit.

Two of the best MMOs Ragnarok Online and Lineage2. I tried to go back to Lineage2 when it went free to play, it was awful.

I still play Ragnarok on pre-renewal private server, but they never last woe guilds come in the server is packed and then dies 3-4 months later.

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>>380465638
The tank and support classes in this game were actually pretty fun.

Nowadays I just can't play it any more, I don't have time for the endless grind.

>>380496790
what s wrong with HF5

there are millions of Interlude, Gracia Finale and HF5 servers, you can play there

you can play on russian servers, meanwhile streaming and realtrading, as everyone do. so you have money and may not go to and continue playing for years.

>>380465638
>Lineage thread
>over 100 replies
lmao

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Light Elves best Elves.

>>380497741
Silver rangers were pretty awesome.

>>380497373
>what s wrong with HF5
It's supposed to be an event, not the version of the game you're stuck with for eternity. L2J isn't even accurate, so the only point of an L2J server is to run around exploring anyway. And running around is way less fun with that stupid moon ruining the whole sky all the time.

>>380495115
yes, the MMO being created by literal scam artists is totally real.

>>380498148
Spellsingers were pretty good for their casting speed, even without Body To Mind and Curse Death Link. As long as you had an Elder to keep them charged they could spam like nobody's business.

New MMOs are literally nofun:the grind.
>pve servers

>Spellsingers casting at fuckhuge speed melting your shit with water
>TH's running around and 3 shotting everyone
>being a TK and having NO offensive skills

there were some serious design problems with the games, but raiding castles was fun as fuck, the moment the door brakes and everyone starts flooding in was super hype

>>380497741
Yeap, loved spellsingers, outcasting everyone else was a big thing, especially when you could sleep somebody or cancel before they do.

>>380499440
mages were fucking cancer in the game, sleep was super OP and CANCEL too

>>380499598
wizards had OP sleep only in c4, that was 2005 year. after that sleep got herfed, with long cast and long cooldown

>>380499898
the cooldown was the real nerf, Spellsingers were still pooping out sleep real fast

still, Tanks had fucking 0 chance in 1v1 pvp, maybe your cubic got a lucky critical interrupting casting but fat chance

clan pvp was fun as fuck though

>>380465638
Only mmo i ever enjoyed. Tried many but nothing made me feel the same satisfaction.

>>380471116
Because they began catering to casual retards who crave instance zones and questing. Lineage 2 was a set of tools introduced by the devs for community to craft its unique experience. Nowadays MMOs are just thematic chat rooms.

>>380500147
but lately tanks had Insane Crushers, pain of shillen, icons, attack skills, party ultimate defence. THAT's when tanks were cool

not in 2005, when they didn't had skills

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sMv3yXmN7o&t

>>380500630
Back then the only truly strong tanks were Dark Avengers because of the damage return, and Temple Knights because of Aegis.

>>380496096
Are you me? The only difference between us is that socially I was actually a pretty huge normie before Lineage2, and even managed to remain as one while playing it despite being ridiculed by my normie friends for playing it so much, but now I'm a friendless recluse. I don't regret it either. I had a pretty fulfilling and eventful life, but playing this damn game was the best experience I ever had. Nothing compares to fun times I had in it. It's exactly like the shit you see or read in all those fantasy/mmo anime and novels.

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How is the game nowadays? Is it worth a nostalgia return?

>>380501016
i tried it a couple months back, you level up to like 50 in 1 long quest chain that powerlevels you through the first 2 classes

there is a new race of lolis that can use clawes i believe

the grinding is still grinding, but now there are instanced dungeons or something

didn't try clan things since they basically take you in to do some kind of tax collection on newbies then kick you out

>>380500894
well, back then DA had cool Hamstring, Stun, roots. and Hp pool. and Panther.

not because damage return, because damage return worded only against autoattack, not against skills or magic, or debuff.

>>380501016
Sadly, no. Back then the game was still new and there were things to be discovered, but now it's just metashittery. Unless you are willing to spend 12+ hours daily (not exaggerating) farming with a const party, you are looking to get stepped on.

How do you start a C4/C5 private server using non official clients? Also keeping a database, that sort of thing.

>>380501016
>>380501875
Derp, nevermind -- thought you were asking about L2 Classic/private low rate servers running older chronicles.

I just want my fucking Lineage 3.

There were talks of Lineage 3 a bunch of years ago, but nothing came out of it. Anyway, if NCsoft were to make it today, they'd fucking ruin it like Aion or some other themepark bullshit.

It's so simple on one side, but also has so much room for innovation on the other one. You can introduce a ton of mechanics that can cause clan wars on the spot. You can add roaming monsters to really hammer in the "you gonna get ganked" aspect. You can add a ton of depth into the economy, spread the mats around the continent to make people work for them. You can limit or completely delete teleporting, so people have to move mats by the road and get ganked. You can basically make a pure PvP MMO, with the PvE being a side thing, or a catalyst for more PvP.

>>380500986
Forgot to mention that I played in same guild for over 5 years and I met half the players IRL and become great friends with lots of them. Also met my first gf in this game.

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>>380498938
>lineage 2
>not a grindfest

>>380502174
they were making some kind of PoE/Diablo thing for MOBILE, but people weren't interested


what boggles my mind is people is still playing the original Lingeage and that it was making NCSoft money

>>380502174
I am pretty sure Lineage3 was just Archage but with more bullshit added onto it. A real Lineage3 will never ever come out.

I remember a top tier early siege tactic was dropping a lot of 1 gold piles so attackers would lag since they have to load all of them. Surprised I see random slavs streaming this and getting over 1000 viewers.

>>380502174
here ya go buddy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOjBVrdLIWc

>>380502391
L2 had the chance of ditch PVE and do some PVP, fuck around with the guild or power level in a huge ass party

also, if you were killing the mobs some other retard wanted you either party up or kill each other


but yeah it did got GRINDY but it was a korean MMO after all

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I'm playing The Witcher 3 for the first time and made it to Skellige yesterday. I was in tears when this part started playing. https://youtu.be/gokhBJWSjeM?t=1m56s

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>>380502174
>but nothing came out of it
Kind of. There was a Lineage 3 but eventually it ended up as Tera. Of course that was not the intention, the developers of L3 quit and then put Tera together with all the progress that they did on L3. NCSoft was not happy.
After years of silence and Tera success they scrapped the initial idea of L3 and thats how Lineage Eternal appeared. Bad news is that, its in development hell, and we all know how long those are. Pic very related.

>>380502174
I thought Tera was Lineage 3?

>>380502516
Mobile "gaming" has completely and utterly destroyed Japan.

>>380502717
Same, I also felt personally attacked by this fucking theme.

They're Polish, I can bet at least one guy on the music team played Lineage 2 before kurwa.

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>>380502837
>Tera success
Tera almost became unprofitable until they found out elin were a big hit in japan. So they made a maid costume, a sport outfit (with bloomers) costume and a school swimsuit outfit and made bank

>>380502837
Sure, but Tera was nothing like Lineage 2, it was a shit themepark MMO like the rest of them. So they can fuck right off.

>>380502717
Whoever makes a Lineage spiritual successor, I want that theme in the trailer.

>>380502717
What the fuck. Isn't this plagiarism? What else did the stole?

>>380502989
Understanding the dopamine systems killed gaming. You see it everywhere, instead of making complex exciting games, they make games with gacha mechanics and RNG and lootboxes and nonsensical leveling. Daily rewards to induce addiction. Its fucking terrible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KMRq8uLYyg


so fucking comfy, i can still hear the fucking seagulls from the login screen

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>>380502717
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5vEXnWQOH0
JUST FUCKING END THIS ALREADY

>>380503485
Nigga that theme first appeared in HoM&M4.

It's part of some nordic folklore song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRJGcxdix5E

>>380503493
It's all legal too it's a fucking joke that no government has stepped in to shut this shit down.

>>380503772
I knew there was a reason I was so drawn to the witch 3 sound track. but this is insane. Who wrote the original song.

>>380503772
Actually wait, no, it's part of a sound library for Celtic sounds that everyone uses, called Complete Celt.
There's more than one Lineage 2 track in there.

>>380503974
They are all in on it to keep us busy and out of politics so they can push their agendas /conspiracy theory

>>380503265
Thats not how it went but its true thats how the story goes for most people. Tera combat was a success and a big hit everywhere. However, being a stolen project, developers didnt know how to continue it, and all the shit they slapped afterwards kind of felt plain and boring. Thats when the elin whoring began and they went full jew, we all know how the story goes from there.
>>380503472
Tera=/=Lineage, to be more precise, Tera was born from stolen elements from the original Lineage 3. There are rumors that say Tera combat was a core mechanic of Lineage 3, if you ask me it may be true. As shit as Tera is right now, its still the MMO king when it comes to combat mechanics.

>>380503772
>>380504076
I didn't know that. Thanks.

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my PC ran 24/7 for years just because of this game. I couldn't bring myself to turn it off when i could be setting up shop instead.

>>380480520
n i c e

>tfw never played an MMO with my dad

>>380504719
> that one asshole dwarf sitting right next to you selling the same mats as you do for 1 adena less

>>380504907
FREE MARKET BITCH GET REKT BY DWARFCOCK

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>>380481065
>dvp story starts airing on TV
>HURR, NO MORE LINEAGE 2 FOR YOU
Still went back to it after a couple of days.

>>380504907
as a consumer I liked that, there would be like a soulshot corner in giran sometimes with the best prices, normally by the exit of my main plaza going to the bank.

>>380503974
Japan actually made gacha systems illegal. So a lot of mobile shit is either castrated or made a lot more fair. Government doesnt make a stand because A) free market, B) old people with no idea whats going on, they are happy they can use an app to chat with their grandchildren C) lobbies

>>380504719
Hnnnnngh
I remember that orgasmic laggy cpu melting jewish goodness
Walking through Giran could take ages on a 2005 potato computer, but it gave you one hell of a sense of community

Trying to find a shop that sells that one single ingedient that you need amongst hundreds of sitting jews under 5fps and your computer roaring like a motherfucker.

>>380504023
>Who wrote the original song.
my ancestor druid leo, was inspired by the spirits of the forest. Also made some other hits but they are lost in time, heard the maidens were mad for his dick though

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who here /l2walker/

Had 3 Clients up all time, with my buffbots following me everywhere. At night i would release my spoilers to make me mad cash, while i was sleeping, dreaming of female orcs.
Played like this for years on official Euro servers, no one ever cared, never got banned.
Good times.

>also Warcryer best class.

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>13 yo
>Play in some random private server
>Not sure how to MMO, just fuck around killing shit, fuck quests
>Eventually make friends, an old couple
>They are the nicest people ever, they basically adopt me as their in game son
>Shit is fun
>Eventually realize I have to craft shit in order to progress in game
>They craft a set and weapon for me because Im too retarded
>But it belongs to their guild they say, I need to be a good boy and return it later
>Sure, no way Im betraying mommy and daddy
>One day autistic kid curiosity kicks in
>I want to swim to the very top left corner of the map and see how far can I get
>Do it
>Swim for a really long time, I cant see land anymore
>Black screen
>Game crashes
>Try to get in, cant, think account got banned or something
>But I can get in my account, just not that character
>Its fucking bugged
>Mfw my character is trapped in some map limbo
>Mfw I just disappeared with mommy and daddy stuff
>Mfw its probably still there to this day
Fun times.

>>380491475
>boter
Disgusting

>>380506106
I did it once back in 2007 I went from level 28 to 36 or something and said never again.

I level my slaves up by hand, before that. My Scout and my Cleric, then Hawkeye and Prophet.

It was so slow, but I needed a buffer late game and it was totally worth it in the end.

>>380506221
Shhh, I will tell you a secret.

/unstuck

>>380470261
I still remember this one so well, goddamn. Childhood/early teen years right there. C4 best C

>>380506525
Too late mate, like 14 years too late.

>>380506739
>C4
>Necro shitfest
>best

>>380476105
CHAPAN CHAPAN CHAPAN CHAPAN CHAPAN CHAPAN CHAPAN CHAPAN CHAPAN

>>380507005
BOOHAN

I am waiting for my retirement so that i can spend 18 hours playing MMOs again. Maybe NC will manage to bring out L3 till than.

>>380506106
I've made a bot party once. It was fun to adjust behaviour, stock up on potions, equip them, like mini X-COM game. Sometimes, I've made mistakes, and bot party was dead all the time, sometimes, success.

>>380507002
Well that's what I started on, nostalgia is too strong of a drug. I was a contrarian and played Sorc/SPS though.

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>you will never go back in time to 2004 and get to stay in a house with a strong computer, strong internet, and free food and play MMO classics like WOW, lineage 2 and warhammer online.
>you will never alttab out to early 4chan and browse the good old threads and see the youthful excitement of internet before smartphones and social networks
>you will never see your favorite MMOs slowly fall apart and have internet friendships go to shit and watch social networks fuck everything up
>you will never cry and feel the time travel magic tug at your body as it wants to drag you back to the shitty future while you see the golden age of MMOs go

Ah I remember being a Dark Elf Male and I would adventure with two other players I found randomly, one was this cute Light Elf who would always hit on me and come super close to me and flirt, the other was an Orc spellcaster of some sort? My memory is pretty weak because of how long ago it was. But damn did that make my cock hard everytime. We ended up dating for a bit and that was cute because we'd just fuck around and explore.

Later I remember making an Orc 2 Hander, they were truly the pinnacle the Male form desu

>>380507990
That elf was a guy in real life.

Daily reminder that everything past interlude doesnt count as lineage.

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>>380509191

Even better

>>380509342
Kamael wasn't that bad. Stopped playing after that myself.

>>380510292
the one that had the rush move was cool, but the semi mage one was cancer

>>380507551
You telling me about being a contrarian? My main was an elven elder

>be on euro server
>russian clan controls everything
>after months of negotiation and organization manage to form big ass alliance against the russians
>be at least 4:1 in numbers advantage
>declare war
>get our shit kicked in by the russians
>declare peace
>transfer to other server

L2 is serious business in russia

>>380510465
>elven elder
You fuck the fuck off nobody played that support i have never seen one and i played that fucking game for like 6 years. I don't even believe anyone would play it just to be a special snowflake.

>>380510465
>that guy in my shitty private server that played summoner and rekt people

Noone knew how he did it.

>>380510957
a friend of mine played it, boring as shit class but fucking everyones leveling up by instant mass return was fun

>>380510957
Never played low rates, uh? EEs were useful in leveling parties with magic users because of clarity+recharge

>>380511423
Just use mana pots like a normal person and if your a poorfag play a class that doesn't need them.

>>380511705
>Just use mana pots

did you even play the game?

>>380511705
>mana pots
>low rates server

>>380511871
>>380511924
>playing on shit official servers

>>380506106
>start playing L2 on official EU server during interlude
>be huge moralfag who would never cheat at a game
>spend years farming for mats and money and sitting all fucking day selling soulshots and levelling my alt buffer account
>never got to enjoy the endgame because I was too busy making money
>meanwhile everyone around me was botting and goldbuying
>then Aion came out and I left the game to play that shit

I came back for a bit after they started giving level rewards up to lvl 90+ but I kinda regret missing all the fun. Should have joined a private server.

>>380511705
Manapots worked for 30-45x servers. If you played 1-5x it was impossible to sustain. Hell, I barely could afford permasoulshot on 3x lmao.

>>380512124
>killing goalpost

>>380512171
>Aion
you poor soul. Played that for a while and jesus what a terrible MMO.

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>Comfy

It was slow as fuck and grindy as shit and it ate 4 years of my life. Also every player was a massive retard.

>Wiping 50 times a run to Antharas because everyone in my server was an underage br retard
>Had to be the clan's bitch dwarf and make armors and soulshots cause no one else wanted to
>Mfw having to grind characters in the stupid bee march and the tower
>Mfw Tower of Insolence

>>380514227
I know right? Playing that game was the worst decision in my entire life, what a waste of fucking time.

>>380470261
>playing on a private server
>one of the gates at Dion was infamous and known as the "PK gate"
>people would gather there to socialize and fight or try to kill each other it was pretty comfy
>some people went there to show off, one shot the guards etc...
>if things got too heated like they just killed someone they'd run into the town with everyone running after them
>sometimes i'd dress up as a low lvl char pretending to be a noob and hitting players provoking them to hit back
>as soon as they hit me it was a fair game and i instantly switched gears one hitting them

Oh man i wish i could go back

>>380515685
that was exactly the case for my private server that, and dwarfs killing themselves to reset levels

Heard a lot of good things about it, but I was a teenager with a shitty PC when it came out (it's like 13 years old, right?), so I missed out.

>>380466205
>Implying anyone on /v/ has played it at all


>being this wrong

chronicle 2 was my favourite

>>380516214
i used to play on a fucking awfull potato with onboard graphics, at minimum

everytime i patched the game i needed to turn down the graphics again since ANY animation would blackscreen me for a couple seconds

it took me 2 years to know some of the skills had flashy aftereffects and shit

>>380502717
what's the Lineage 2 version of it?

I played the fuck out of this game
Played a blade dancer strong from c1-c5
Got into all kinds of amazing clans cuz I had dank buffs and got some of the best gear in the game for free.
The game was grindy as fuck, but once you had a good clan to level and pvp with it was the best. So much drama cuz of clan wars. I've never seen a game where people would get as mad as they did at each other fighting over hunting spots. I later switched to WoW and found it none of the community aspects that made L2 great.
Also the graphics where some of the best at the time for what it was.

>Toi
>Fucking cruma tower
>Antharas' Lair

C2 and C3 were def the best. By the end of interlude I had figured out I could bot as long as I didn't lvl in popular spots and by the time I finally had a high lvl TH to pvp the game was basically dead and all my old friends had stopped playing.

Too bad it's pay to play now. I would love to see a NA classic server. The game was even kinda balanced before they added that 4th class change crap that paved the way for what it is now

Also does anyone remember Good vs Evil private server? It was a modded server that had Elves and humans vs Dark Elves and Orcs set to where there was constant castle sieges and you had to capture towns by killing raid bosses in the center of them. It was a very fun mod.

>>380515628
I wonder how it ever got through playtesting.
>hey we have flight and flight combat which looks super awesome, alright I got it lets restrict it to 60 seconds
>hey we got this PvP thing which forces you to teleport to the hostile factions world
>we have tiny ok to fly areas around the base where you do 2 missions before going out
>lets make crafting where you have a 20% chance to proc a better version, which is the only one that people use
What where they thinking. Why didnt a single person stand up and say it was fucking terrible

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>>380516505
Well WoW was my first "real" MMO when I started highschool (beta just came out). Tried out others like DAoC, RO, SWG, but those were already past their prime or dying/dead at that point. I would have loved to try out a bunch of others to like Asheron's Call, EverQuest 2 and Ultima Online.

>tfw you missed out on the golden age of MMOs
JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP SENPAI

>>380516803
>The game was grindy as fuck, but once you had a good clan to level and pvp with it was the best. So much drama cuz of clan wars. I've never seen a game where people would get as mad as they did at each other fighting over hunting spots


i guess EVE

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Played for the lewds.

>>380516803
>cruma tower
I remember having to rush inside and hope there weren't PK groups at the teleport and then having to sneak my way into the back rooms where nobody ever went and avoid the legions of aggro mobs to even get there just so i could grind in peace.
>that feel when you hear some random walking around your room or fighting outside it
>that slight heart attack when you know you've been seen and wondering if it's going to be a fight for your life
>having to run into a corner regen and get ready just to make sure he doesn't back stab you while you're not paying attention
Where has all this gone?

>>380517154
>>
>>tfw you missed out on the golden age of MMOs
It were a few interesting but flawed MMOs held up by an amazing community plus a bunch of failures rushed out to capitalize on the WOW money

>>380516803
NA version is "free" now but if you want to compete in pvp you need to lay down some dough for gear

>>380472298
>and only happen when you are comfortable with it.
That's the biggest problem. Don't forget one thing as well, todays' players have been spoonfed by balanced "Matchmaking" system in pretty much ALL games.

So developers MUST ensure all players winrate is always somewhat between 45~55% otherwise they get frustrated and leave.

And we all know that old school owPvP could it be L2 or even games like DAoC would never guarantee bad players to be anywhere CLOSE to 45% winrate, actually you'd get fucking farmed all day long and maybe win 5-10% of your encounters if you were a baddie.

Organized and geared guilds would just dominate the server and be pretty much the equivalent of predators on top of the food chain, only threatened by the top 10% players while noobs would just almost constantly be prays to be farmed.

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;_;

Didn't you lose XP when you got killed by players?
Also if you killed someone who didn't hit you back you became red meaning anyone could kill you without consequences and i think you dropped a random piece of gear too and PKers had a seperate town they had to spawn at. Do i remember this right?

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>>380470617
yeah but then when you finally get that +10 kris with MM...

>frontstab


>i made myself sad because this was my favourite time in gaming

>>380517294
Maybe I'm tone deaf... which two parts?

>>380517929
You lose 5% of your current level progression, which is fucking genius, because it barely hurts at the beginning, but then it really starts feeling like permadeath when it equates to hours of grinding.

The PK town I believe is Stuttgard.

>>380518891
>The PK town I believe is Stuttgard.
I seem to remember it being some random small village near Dion

>>380517929
yes mostly, PK's only started spawning in Floran after some update, where you could quest to reduce the PK number

every time the number increased the more Karma you recieved for Pking

also, you losed like 10% or a little more on low levels, and it normalized at 4% till like 75+ where it became 1%
5% in lvl 75 could mean 2 days of grinding though

>>380466205

I saw ads for it in the Guild Wars manuals

looked cool

>>380519139
>>380518891
Floran, also when they went F2P they changed the PK system to be infinite, if you PK anyone that character is as good as gone

>>380518891
Its a nice concept but in reality these kind of mechanics cause people to be so afraid of losing what they have they just AFK farm in some dark corner until they are maxed out and can blow everyone up. BDO had a similar system (0.5% though, which usually is like 30 minutes of grinding) but later removed it as PVP penalty because a few OP nolifers oneshotting everyone else cost too many customers

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Post your face when you got Zariche for the first time

>>380519714
but this wasn't actually the case in L2

maybe because minmaxing in mmo's wasn't something people really did and that for some reason databases were garbage for the game

>>380518538
Nevermind wrong song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kEFUCEoVQo

>>380519887
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNo5m-wqX5M

still the most lit pvp video

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>>380517572

ah I meant pay to win.

They found a way to make the grind so unbearable that you need to spend money to buy items to get to 105 and it ends up costing more then what you would pay monthly for a sub. Also its all BR folks playing it. An official classic server would be dope, but the game is a distant memory for most people

Sieghardt a best sever.

>>380517518
having your group of friends cheese other groups out with a dwarf around level 2 punching people's mobs they warn the low-level dwarf to leave, then attack one shotting them and you and your group clean up the red.

>>380520164
What would happen in a modern MMO
>destruction of XP and gear is easier than accumilation of XP and gear
>this would mean that even if there is an access of grinders nobody gets anywhere
>the sheep complain about losing all their progress constantly
>subs bleed and the few OP people run eachother to the ground
I dont think modern gamers would ever accept it

>>380522952
There has to be some sort of trade off, but the extremes were pretty rough in Lineage2.

What I loved about Arche Age was pirating players trade packs they would lose them and you gained something and they didn't lose exp but just potential money. Arche Age was pay to win and bullshit, and their flagging system was broken, people could heal and buff purple/red players and not flag. WTF

I wish we were all extremely good at programming because I feel like we could make a pretty solid MMO.

>>380522952
that's why Clan wars were a thing, you lost a lot less dying to someone who was at war with you so you could fight in relative peace

>>380523725
1% right?

>>380523796
yep, 0.25 at really high levels, 3 at low lvls

>>380523725
But they could attack you anywhere and without warning since everyone's permaflagged in wars.

>>380524164
you are not permafflaged, you just never went red if killing someone white, just pvp purple

>>380523578
>>I wish we were all extremely good at programming because I feel like we could make a pretty solid MMO.
You need money and 5 years of production. Also focus, a bunch of random /v/irgins cant make shit. See breeding ranch and broquest.
Archage was insanely good in the beta when it didnt get completely P2W, seriously that just cancered one of the best MMOs up forever.

I would personally like a scifi MMO where people found a new planet filled with a rare resource. You would start as either a merc or an imperial soldier (mercs get paid by the trading federation to safeguard their planet, the imperium wants to commandeer it). You can either soldier and earn money just doing objectives, you can hire machines to start farming the resource and sell it to the offworld market, or you can kill other players and take their shit. The devs just need to control the conversion rate of spice->money to prevent too much PKing or AFKfarming. An indepth contract system allows people to hire other people to help out protecting or killing. This way new players can immediately start doing something.
Everyoen has a shield generator (without it you are one shot dead) but those generate a field that is scannable. If a lot of people are around eachother it will generate a huge spike. This way solo players are harder to get PKed

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>decide to try out lineage again when i heard they had new awakening classes
>reach awakening class with my kamael
>you became just another generic nuker class
>stop playing
man was that a let down, they went from a large class diversity to a bunch of streamlined ones

>>380524605
Because I fear an MMO will never stay popular forever, I have a bunch of game design docs, that will keep the game going even if nobody is even playing, AI that keep the trade between towns going, towns being build and falling to hordes of monsters. So if someone is still playing that can group up with AI players like Dragons dogma, and fight stuff. a real lonely mans MMO...

Truth be told I just want a solid kingdom simulator where you can play as a character in the world, and trade and craft and playing with friends.

>>380525165
I know it hurt really bad, sure the classes weren't super different but there was like 40 of them. And it was awesome!

>>380524605
>Sci-fi MMO
Maaaaaan. Just gave me some Anarchy Online feels. Group i played L2 with and i switched to AO, had a blast.

>>380525165
Easier to balance. You see the same with WOW.
>class: Bwe want X of class Y
>class Y: we want Z of class B

>>380525165
they re-diversified them recently but its still mostly shared skills. Just a few flavor skills per class type

>>380525179
I dont mind MMOs dying, as with any game after a while its game design is outdated and its just not worth it to keep the servers going. Playing alone is a dead server where only NPCs mindlessly ride their programmed routes is just sad.

>>380526125
Why do people play Skyrim, or Fallout? Why play any single player game.

Think of a world that is ever evolving and you can impact it and setup wars and also fight in said wars, and take over territory while doing this with your friends or a bunch of other people.

>>380526453
Because they are designed to work as SP games. You play them 80 hours and then youre done, they have a bunch of premade quests you do. MMOs shouldnt just be online skyrim, just look at TES online. MMOs allow for immersive gameplay because people are more diverse than a bunch of NPCs. NPCs will drive around and trade to make equal amounts everywhere, a player might just start buying the resource at one spot and cause a shortage which other players can start to solve by trading themslves.

Designing an MMO with the focus on it being good even when nobody is around is a defeatist development path.