The best games ever made have emergent gameplay that extends

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Because they know the average gamer now just wants to consume, and doesn't really give a shit about finding new ways to do shit. They just want to look at graphics, hit a few QTEs, and call it a day.

>>380465685
But if that was every gamer we wouldn't see young people going back and playing the older games like they do. Developers have just genuinely forgone depth to their games.

>>380465860
What games are young people going back to play? The first assassin's creed? Black Ops? Fucking skyrim? I haven't exactly seen a lot of cases for young people going back to play "older" games, except for the ones they feel nostalgic for. Which are the early emergence of the cookie cutter game design

>>380466113
wait does 24 count as young? Shit I might be the point you were making

>>380465860
>Developers have just genuinely forgone depth to their games
I don't think they forgot, it's they don't have time anymore. They have insane deadlines because this: >>380465685

In the good ol' days there Miyamoto canceled half done projects because they weren't perfect to his high standard. Today he took stage for the rabbit thing.

>>380465235
If you haven't played prey already, you're full of shit.

There are so many games made by smaller studios or indie developers these days, that I think games, on average, probably don't have as long development cycles as there is more competition on the market now?

>>380467143
I think the short dev cycles are more about developer deadlines (like trying to churn a new game out every year, looking at you ubisoft), and because of that the devs found ways to meet said short deadlines. Namely, by boiling everything down into easily-transferable engines and game mechanics between games. That way they only have to make new art and record new dialogue and keep most of the animations in tact

again, like what ubi does. And bioware. And now I guess bungie. and EA

>emergent gameplay
2016-early 2017 has actually been a pretty good time for this sort of thing if you enjoy stealth games, and immersive sims. Too bad they all bombed

>>380466983
Honestly, I haven't. Not out of spite or laziness but because of apathy because of how far gamings gone down the shitter. I stopped checking or trying to find that needle in the haystack.

>>380467857
Yeahhh stealth was never my thing, most likely because I'm really horrible at stealth games. I'm so bad at them it stops my ability to enjoy them, except for the tenchu games. That's a dead series though.

>>380467670
I think that's true. But I guess the reason why those companies feel like they need to do that, is perhaps because people expect less from their games these days.

There are still heaps of indie games that cannot hold a candle to some titles from the early 2000's in terms of polish and mechanics. As I implied, the market is saturated.

>>380468861
Oh I definitely agree that people expect a lot less from their games, and while I agree that the market is saturated, I don't agree that the big game companies feel threatened by these indie games (who have a lot of the same problems as AAA games but without the brand recognition) and I don't think that's as big of a factor in rushing deadlines as you might think.

fuck it's been too long since I've had a real conversation on here.