Now that the dust has settled..

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>>380452293
Zelda

After 200+ hours I'm dying for more

>>380452754
>make quite literally the best zelda waifu of all time
>she has been dead 100 years before you even start the game
thank you nintendo.

Horizon

Why do people compare these games?

Horizon is far more like Witcher 3 than Zelda.

Zelda's the better game, but it's still not a good game. They're both pretty shite.

How can anyone keep putting down a game with Lance Reddick in it?

>>380454365
Damn...

Botw isn't a glitchy boring piece of shit that thinks graphics>gameplay.

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>>380452293
You should compare Horizhit with Andromeda if anything. TLoZ is completely out of its league

>>380454229
>before release
>Sonykiks: "THE ZELDA KILLER NINTENFAGS BTFO"

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>>380452293
>Which one is the better game?
Zelda of fucking course.

>>380452293
Those comparison videos, holy fuck. I'm in the fence here but it looks like BotW is light years ahead of Horizon in it's various game design elements.

>>380452293
Horizon? Never heard of it.

>>380452293
ITT: Faggots who only played one of the games.

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>meet Zelda and she hasn't aged a day in 100 years

You know, Zeldafags love comparing this series to Miyazaki's work, but any influence it draws is superficial. It draws from none of the themes that make his movies challenging to fairytale conventions, none of the nuance in characters.

Botw was a fun and pretty sandbox. And, that's it.

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>>380454653
Remember when Dark Cloud was the PS2's "Zelda Killer"?

BOTW
E3 is also a good indicator
>Sony just shows a cinematic trailer for the DLC
>Nintendo shows gameplay of pack 1 and teases pack 2

>>380455082
It's always interesting how many developers and companies have tried to make a Zelda killer and have failed. I can think of 10 from the top of my head alone.

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This is now your 117 year-old waifu

>>380452293
wtf i hate horizon now

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If BotW was a standalone game that wasn't part of the Zelda franchise, I don't think this would even be a question. Horizon would be head and shoulders above and only obvious shitposters would suggest otherwise.

But because BotW gets Link and the storied franchise to back it up, what was just previously a really good action-adventure game suddenly becomes "GREATEST OF ALL TIME!" And honestly, they're not wrong. There have been better action-adventure games than Zelda that are overlooked because of the branding. Better jRPGs than Final Fantasy. Better side-scrollers than Castlevania. But the franchise branding matters, even if we'd rather pretend it doesn't. We want to see Ganons and Belmonts and Bahamuts, it's part of what we pay for.

So in a vacuum, judging just the merits of the game by itself? Horizon. In reality? Breath of the Wild.

>>380455903
>now
you must be 18 to post here

>>380452293
Both are fucking boring

>>380456882
>If BotW was a standalone game that wasn't part of the Zelda franchise, I don't think this would even be a question. Horizon would be head and shoulders above and only obvious shitposters would suggest otherwise.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAH
AHHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>380457004
He's not wrong. If it wasn't Zelda-branded amd was starring some generic Tolkienesque Elf you'd have never even heard of it.

>>380457093
ahhahahahaHAHAHAAHAHAH

Watch the videos. Horizon is embarassing.

>>380457128
I don't need to. When you rage spammed your ahaha's I already won.

>>380457206
Of course you have to avoid looking at reality when you try to defend horizon. It's a game made by amateurs and it'S huiding behind pretty static graphics and has nothing to offer for people who have been playing video games for longer than 2 gens.

>game using 10 year old tech is more immersive and has better physics than a game using current tech

really makes you think

>>380457330
I'm one of maybe three people in this board that own both. Trust me, this isn't about which is better, especially with you. It's about which platform you own and shitposting.

>>380457484
Yes, i believe you my friend.

>>380457484
>Trust me, this isn't about which is better, especially with you
Of course it isn't. There is no debate that Zelda is simply the much, much better game.

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>>380452293
I've never actually seen it before because frankly I can't ever actually give a shit but I just realized. Horizon looks amazing with screenshots and definitely blows BOTW out of the water, but gameplay wise, it really looks so unfinished. Especially when the girl starts hopping in and out of the water. And now I know that's such a tiny little thing, it's details like that that'll take your "beautiful polygon masterpiece" and punt it all the way down the uncanny valley. When I saw Link slashing away at the grass, I thought, "gee this just looks cartoonish", but then the other girl starts swinging, and the grass doesn't even buckle besides it's "swaying wind" animation.

It just looks so... unfinished.

>>380457528
Nah, you're right. Console warring doesn't exist. :^)

>>380452293
Fake talking point, designed to bolster Horizon.
>implying the 2 can even be compared

>in BotW you can cut grass and trees so clearly its much better than Horizon!
I guess you faggots must think that Minecraft is GOAT. It's easier to invest more into the physics engine when your game looks like it belongs on the Gamecube with its cartoon graphics.

>>380455003
If you actually listened to the devs you'd know that they were not influenced by Ghibli, the art style was a construction meant to serve the gameplay
realistic enough to make the physics intuitive, stylized enough to make stuff like cooking not look too goofy

>>380457757
It's not unfinsihed, the devs are just amateurs. THAT'S the best they can do. And this is the elite of sony first party. Let that sink in.

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>>380458227
I was thinking the same thing about botw. While watching the massively better graphics in Horizon with so much detail you can make out individual ants trailing around branches (not so much on that BR's low-def 360p screen) then switching to botw's Windwaker graphics with a Minecraft physics engine...

This is first party. Was that REALLY the best Nintendo could do?

Sad.

>>380458601
Fuck me you're a salty motherfucker. At least the grass is actually there in BOTW and not just a static image that runs through your body as ig you were a ghost.

>>380458601
see >>380458175
they had a panel at GDC explaining their every design choice.

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>>380458709
>he thinks this is what makes a good game
The delusion is real.

I've played Horizon and haven't played Zelda but Zelda is probably better. Horizon was complete garbage outside of the bigger machine fights.

I've played Zelda and haven't played Horizon but Horizon is probably better. Zelda was complete garbage outside of the big guardian fights.

>>380458857
Never said that. It's just one of 10.000 Details that are featured in breath of the wild but are missing from horizon. With your logic, pretty static graphics like in horizon are what make a good game.

>>380458923
>>380459068
Now kiss

>>380455242
Developers have never tried to make a "Zelda killer". It was always magazines and "journalists". Same with shit like Yokai Watch and Pokemon. It's not that they were trying to make a "[thing] killer", it's that people WANTED them to make a "[thing] killer".

>>380459068
>big guardian fights.
The what? Oh you haven't played it. I see.
See that's the thing, you can go play the best game you've never played or continue shitpost about the arguabyl best game fo all time, your choice.

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>>380459081
>SO MANY DETAILZ

>>380455242
You need to wait for games to kill themselves, I remember during ps3 people were calling Killzone 2 the halo killer, but halo ended up killing halo

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>>380459223
>what's a guardian?
Have you even played the game? Fucking shills are hyping a game they haven't touched.

>>380456882
>If BotW was a standalone game that wasn't part of the Zelda franchise, I don't think this would even be a question. Horizon would be head and shoulders above

This is some top tier delusion. Purely from a game design perspective, BotW is on another planet compared to Horizon. All the pretty grafiks in the world won't cover how infantile and anemic it is in comparison.

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>>380457484
>Mfw I haven't played either but shill and shit on both to trigger console war tards

>>380452293

I think the ship on that one sailed a long time ago, but here's /v/ being months on years behind the rest of the planet when it comes to video game chatter and "the dust settling" yet again. Either that or it literally just does not know when a topic has been beaten well to death

>>380459487
>infantile and anemic
Not an argument.

>>380452293
Horizon has a nice story and good graphics and a shit open world

Zelda has a shit story meh graphics and a GOAT open world

/thread

>>380459461
there are no ''big'' guardian fights you piece of trash. There are just the guardians roaming hyrule field and the ones in the shrines. You should've said :
>'' Zelda was complete garbage outside the main dungeons''
and it would have been much more believable.

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Comparing Horizon to Breath Of The Wild is like comparing Harry Potter to Lord Of The Rings

>>380459653
They're the closest approximation to the big machine fights in Horizon you fucking public bathroom masturbating autist. How did you miss that?

I'm playing through both concurrently. So far I like em both, HZD kinda edges in front because I think the aesthetic is really interestinf but they're both comfy as fuck.

>>380455242
>ave tried to make a Zelda killer
They really have not, they have just been inspired by it. Look at Okami, Darksiders or Beyond Good and Evil, those were never hyped as "Zelda killers" by anyone. Not even Horizon would have been if not for the awful release date.

>>380459229
You still don't understand my point. On top of being a far, far better game than horizon, it ALSO features a ton of details that other games, especially horizon are lacking. It's not Just the details that make BotW so good. It's a 10/10 game with them and a 9.9/10 without them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlImWoYINXI

And why do you have so many minecraft pictures anyway?

>>380459805
I was autistically masturbating in public bathrooms.

>>380459107
I'm not a false flagger though. Aloy was a terrible protagonist that couldn't shut up and became a complete retard during cutscenes, the story was interesting to say the least but the extra exposition was delivered haphazardly with a lot of the recordings just dumped in one room and in areas where characters could talk over it, the combat against smaller machines and humans might as well not exist because the stealth system is so damn forgiving and even normal combat against them is made trivial because of the heavy attack, and the open world is just busywork of doing meaningless side quests and even more meaningless collectibles. The game shined much later when you could fight the bigger machines, knock off their guns and use it against them or hack smaller machines or even hack a big machine to fight another. Beyond that, the game was trash.

>>380457484
>I'm one of maybe three people in this board that own both
timestamp or it didnt happen sonybro

>>380459805
It argue the Enter-The-Divine-Beast-''Fights'' are closer.
Doesn't change the fact that there are no big guardians.

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I'm gonna say Horizon because I havent played BotW

>>380454229
That comparison is pretty meh too.

>>380460026
Nintendo made BotW that way because they now the Nintendo audience likes gimmick shit. I mean none of the characters in BotW even talk lmao that already shows you they put all money into world design and had nothing left when creating characters. Everything looks the fucking same too

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>>380459107

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>>380460026
>it has all these physics that exist in Minecraft
>therefore it's the better game!
>lookit him riding things!
>how does google image work???
The average BotW player.

>>380452293
Horizon for better story, combat and world.
BotW for more exploration, less linearity and better general gameplay/creativity/interactivity.

t. played both.

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I liked Horizon more. Zelda was great, but I'm just more a fan of the general world and story in Horizon.

>>380460215
But BotW has some of the better cutscenes ive seen in quite some time. And many of the voices are pretty good in almost every language.

>>380460172
The Guardians themselves are big, you constant disappointment to your father.

>>380460272
>it has all these physics that exist in Minecraft
And yet are missing from horizon, every single one of them.
>>380460347
>Horizon for better story, combat and world.
>combat and world
wew

>>380459229
>Look mom i learned how to shitpost!

>>380452293
Definitely Zelda obviously

>>380455082
I'd rather play dark cloud again than BoTW tbqh

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>>380460420
my horse is bigger than the guardians.

>>380460378
No it looks like a low tier anime. Persona 5 cutscenes are good, not BotW.

The story of BotW is really dogshit "save the princess and kill those four beasts".

Horizon Zero Dawn = State of the Art open world and storytelling

Breath of the Wild = Actually innovative in terms of gameplay mechanics and open world itself

>>380460215
You sound like a 12 year old.

>>380460484
So you admit that you think the more like Minecraft a game is, the better it is. If a game doesn't have enough features like Minecraft, it isn't any good to you?

>>380460484
>wew
wew

>>380460646
>reddit spacing
Needless to say that i didn't read your post because it will be a bait or pure shitpost anyway.

>>380460691
>>wew
>wew
wew

>>380460765
>>>wew
>>wew
>wew
Don't fucking talk to me like that you piece of shit.
Literally kill yourself you slut.

>>380460683
If something as basic as setting your arrow on fire is missing from horizon, or cutting grass, or climbing in a rock and mountain heavy open world, (jesus christ) then yes, it's a bad open world game, gameplay wise.

>>380460760
I remember when we started this reddit spacing meme a couple years back. The problem is that redditors came in and actually think its a thing and spam it constantly now.

We didn't know... we just... didn't know!

>>380460760
Fuck off to neogaf you child. I have played both Zelda and Horizon. Horizon has everything an open world game in 2017 needs to have including a good story. It is a typical Guerilla game that takes no risks. Zelda has no story at all but took risks in the open world design that paid off.

>>380452293
Still trying to compare Horizon with BotW is delusional, BotW is so much better that is not even funny

>>380460889
So, per your definition, Minecraft is literally better than Witcher III?

>horizon
Better story
>Zelda
More fun to play

>>380456882
Holy fuck, a balanced opinion that uses reason? No waifufaggotry shit? No manchild fanboyism? On /v/? What fucking universe am i in. Im screencapping this

>>380460896
>Horizon has everything an open world game in 2017 needs
But it literally has nothing. It doesn't even have gravitiy. Did you watch the comparison videos? Not even the fucking fish get scared or react to your character. Something that has been in 3D games ever since super mario 64.

>>380460865
>>>>wew
>>>wew
>>wew
>Don't fucking talk to me like that you piece of shit.
>Literally kill yourself you slut.
wew

>>380452293
Zelda Botw of course

>>380455003
well, it had basically no story so of course it wouldn't compare to highly narrative based experiences

>>380460893
It's not even a couple years old you newfag.
It's called reddit spacing but is formatting people use if they either
a) can't read a book.
b) are posting from a device with a very narrow screen like say, a phone.

For me? it's the mcchicken

>>380461001
We get it, you hate minecraft, you're very grown up.
Now mommy will be by shortly to pick you up from soccer practice.

>>380461024
Just suck his dick why don't you

>>380461024
>0.1$ has been deposited into your account

>>380461001
In terms of what you can do gameplay wise, yeah. I dropped the witcher 3 10 hours in. It's not a bad game of course but it's just not for me.
Games like the witcher 3 make you want to continue playing because you want to see what will happen to the story, how many more interesting characters you will meet and to see how many more women want geralds penis.
Breath of the wild is a game that makes you want to continue playing in order to see what it has to offer gameplay wise.
I didn't like the dungeons in the witcher. I only did one though. The one where that Elven hollogram was guiding you and the hot witch. iirc Ciri visited it before you so you were trying to find clues, but the Hunt was already there and.. anyway. I beat the dungeon and realized it wasn't fun for me. Not because it's a bad game but because it's not for me.

>>380461065
Because it uses the open world to tell a story. The open world in Horizon is not meant to be explored. It's like in Mafia 2. They put all money into story and character design.

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>Nintendo made better girl than Sony
>that 'girl' is even male
what the fuck

neither console fag

>>380461187
You realize we've used that spacing on 4chan since the very day it came online though, right? "Reddit spacing" was a falseflag meme from a year or two back when the whole site was nothing but calling each other Redditors.

>>380461253
Yeah, that's what I thought. Caught you, bitch.

Still, you make an excellent comparison. Breath of Wild is Minecraft, Horizon is Witcher. If you like Minecraft, you'll like Breath of Wild. If you like the Witcher, you'll like Horizon.

Thanks Zeldafag!

>>380458601
>>380458857
>>380459229
>>380458857
>>380460347
>>380460646
>minecraft level design
>horizon better world overall
>horizon better at anything

https://youtu.be/aVPXKdSEGNQ

Watch this video then please come up with more bullshit, Sony chills really can't accept the fact that horizon is just pretty average while zelda is a candidate for game of the gen, sad.

>>380461769
That there, that's not me.

>>380454930
>but it looks like BotW is light years ahead of Horizon in it's various game design elements.
It's seriously not. It has lots of mechanics that just kind of exist and aren't fleshed out to the point that they're redundant, like the cooking system where different dishes are purely cosmetic and the entire game is trivialized by one fruit.

>>380452293
Horizon main problem is every Guerrilla Games problem: extremely generic and unremarkable, hidden under a decent story. Zelda on the other hand comes from 3 really mediocre games, but manages to reinvent itself and the open world genre to an extent. So Zelda is the better game, but that doesn't make Horizon shit. It's just your average pre-Zelda open world game, overhyped to hell by fanboys. Even the new AssCreed took some notes from Zelda.

>>380461582
Nintendo is consistently the fucking best at vidya waifus

>>380461330
>>380461330
Great rebuttals you triggered manbabies. One retard projects his closeted fantasies, the other calls you a shill for expressing an opinion he doesnt agree with

>>380452293

We're literally on NintendoGAF, so obviously BotW will get more praise on /v/.

Haven't played H:ZD, but it looks kinda generic. I know after playing BotW that it is extremely overhyped and pretty mediocre.
I'd have to play H:ZD to be able to make a proper comparison, but they seem to be fairly equal.

>>380461858
But horizons gameplay IS shit IF compared to breath of the wild

>>380461769
I'm not the one you're arguing with you sperg.

>>380459487
It's funny because "anaemic" is the absolute perfect word to describe Breath of the Wild.

>>380461846
Are you serious?

https://youtu.be/aVPXKdSEGNQ

They flat out do not exist, stop making up bullshit.

>>380461972
holy hell. If breath of the wild is mediocre to you, then PLEASE for the love of God tell me which games do you consider Good? I am not being sarcastic.

>>380461782
That's a very biased video, anon. It also doesn't touch on the subject I was talking about, namely Horizon's superior world.
Horizon has more unique biomes as well as way more unique assets for every biome. Exploring Horizon to find new and pretty areas is much more fun than exploring BotW for the same reason.

>>380461953
You seem fixated on the dick sucking.

>>380461953
Are you implying any of the replies in this chain have anything to rebut? The first post was a fucking non-answer. It just says that Horizon is better without saying why.

>>380461527
>The open world in Horizon is not meant to be explored.
Then why make it an open world?

>>380462562
Exactly. It could've easily been a linera game and the experience would be the same.

>>380462118
Not him but I also think it's mediocre. Every aspect that isn't exploration and interaction with the world is subpar, like combat, shrines and side quests.
I don't think one game can do a lot of things right, but if you don't care for exploring a world where you know what you're going to find, BotW isn't very good.
TP has better combat, world and dungeons, you just can't cut down trees and start fires wherever.

>>380462730
Yeah, tell me which games you consider good if BotW is mediocre. I want to play something good. Run out lately

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It is well known that, before being one of the best videogame creators in the world, they tried their luck in other business venues before starting videogame programing.
Nowadays, Nintendo seems to be taking that same direction again, and wants everything to have a Nintendo logo on it. After all, normies easily consume their products because of brand recognition and known quality.

Why is Nintendo not taking advantage of this fact? They could easily create one of those love hotels again and they would have reservervations for years, with normies desperate for an opportunity just to fuck in a Mario-themed room with a chick dressed as Peach.

Do you think Nintendo could make such an idea work nowadays? How do you think they could market such a thing in order to work?

>>380462220
>>380462220
>Video is pretty biased
What the fuck? Really anon
>Superior world
Oh god, this guy is a pure fucking chill, you can see through that he is here to hype the dlc
>biomes making your world the superior one
No no no, you are triggering me sir

>more fun to explore in horizon

THAT IT YOU FUCKING WIN I AM TRIGGER.

Any fucking retard could see a 5min video of both games and answerd you BotW is way more fun, is incredible the buzzwords this chillers use.

>>380462676
>It could've easily been a linera game and the experience would be the
Fuck no. You can say that the game would've benefited from cutting off the meaningless fluff from the open world but you can't say that the game would've been the same experience if you changed a central game design concept.

>>380462035
It's funny because Horizon pales to BotW in almost every way possible.

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>>380461527
>The open world in Horizon is not meant to be explored.

>>380462730
>TP better in any way or form
Troll or shit taste

>Gear constantly breaking on you

And the winner goes to Horizon

>>380462118

Not even going to mention them, since I know exactly how that will turn out. The shitposting will only increase with;
>hurr shit game

Instead, I'll tell you why I find it mediocre.
The world seems completely devoid of interesting stuff to do. You have a few cool locations, visually, but there's hardly anything to do in the world. Physics gimmicks are neat, for an hour. You fight the same type of enemies over and over and over again, which bores the shit out of me. The main side activities are quite literally collectibles. On top of that, you actually need those collectibles in order to properly get stronger. I don't like finding a hundred samey temples. It gets stale after 20 of them. Don't even get me started on Koroks.

Then the main story. I sincerely liked the idea behind Divine Beasts, but the fact you can do them in any order make them extremely simple after you did the first. Which brings me to one other major issue; the difficulty. It's honestly the easiest Zelda I've played. Being allowed to cook millions of meals and eat them on the fly at all times makes the game completely devoid of any difficulty. Even more so because of the ease at which you can find ingredients like Heart Beets, which will completely restore your health + bonus hearts.

Finally, durability. It just doesn't work for me. I know the reasoning behind it, forcing you to use different weapons and blahblah, but it just annoys the fuck out of me. Once I tried some weapons and I find one I'm particularly fond of, it breaks in a few encounters and I'll be hard pressed to find it again. They should've at least make the special weapons you get unbreakable, instead of 'repairable'. I sure like backtracking for 5-10 minutes (due to load times mostly) to fix a weapon that will last roughly the same duration.

In all, the game just didn't click with me at all. I was extremely hyped, but after 8 hours of play I was already starting to get burned out.

>>380463313
>agrees the game would be better without open world elements
>b-but my experience
You could get a better experience by playing botw?

This is funny, they thenselfs say shit like this, and somehow claim the world is better that botw one.

>>380463837
>Not even going to mention them
Then i am not going to read the rest of your post.

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>>380452293
Zelda has fun, atmospheric level design on top of a handcrafted open world.

Horizon has a generic open world à la Far Cry and no level design/dungeons at all.

One game is interactive, the other one is not.

One game is Zelda, the other one is some new propaganda IP from a western Sony studio.

Have a guess.

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>>380463584
He doesn't understand game design.

>>380463302

b8.
sage, reported, called the cops.

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>>380464007

>>380463932

>Knows he makes valid points so decides to not read them because they'll trigger him
kek'd

>>380463837
Couldn't have said it better myself

>>380463856
I'm not trying to say BotW is better, retard. I'm just saying your blanket statement of saying that the game would've been the same experience if you change a VERY IMPORTANT GAMEPLAY ASPECT is retarded. I know this place is hostile but if you just assume everyone replying to is an enemy then you just end up looking stupid.

>>380464151
Jesus no, i asked you one simple question and YOU avoided it. So i am not gonna read your wall of text because it won't contain the information i wanted.

>>380464018
>it's a feature!
Weapon durability is fine when it's implemented correctly. BoTW it was not

>>380464007
>Horizon has a generic open world à la Far Cry and no level design/dungeons at all
Nice work talking out of your ass. HZD does indeed have dungeons, completing them lets you tame more dinos.

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>>380464018
Pic related. They had breaking gear on their first Beta then realized: Holy shit this an unfun game design

>>380464231

>you
>implying I'm the same guy

Stop trying anon. We know you're triggered that somebody is critical about your precious game. No need to go all out.

>>380464319
>>implying I'm the same guy
Wow this completely invalidated what i said.

>>380463932

What addition to the discussion does it give if I state games that I find good? I bring up points of discussion where the game is flawed to me. If you'd try to actually counter those points instead trying to bait me into ad hominems, we'd get a lot further with this discussion. If all you can do is wait until you get your chance to use your ad hominems, then I see you're not even worth any more posts on my end.

>>380463247
>FAMILY FRIENDLY

>>380464663
>What addition to the discussion does it give if I state games that I find good?
Because i am curious? I am not shitposting, i really want to know which games you think are good if, for you, BotW was just a mediocre game.

My favorite part of Breath of the Wild is when you get to fight the Ender Dragon.

>>380456882
If BotW was a standalone game it would still win because it's not as shit as Horizon. And I'm someone who was hyped as fuck for Horizon when first revealed.

What could have been a MonHun x Zelda like game with RoboDinosaurus turned out to be what it is. Such a fucking shame and waste of time and money.

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>>380464263
Nioh doesn't have the type of open world freedom which BotW does, which is why weapon durability is a factor - to stop players from breaking the game. You can easily find yourself some serious high powered weaponry near the start of the game, but it won't last, so you better think about how you play. Weapon durability is also part of the thematic subtext of the game but that's different story. Point is, the system works fine.

>>380464829

No, you're just baiting me into listing a few games so you can go:
>hahahaha those games are so bad, your opinion is invalid
I've been here for 8 years anon, I'm not retarded.
Either discuss the points if you want argue whether BotW is mediocre or not or don't. I'm done shitposting.

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>>380452293

>>380465050
>Point is, the system works fine.
Not exactly, the system would NOT work if the weapons didn't break, for the reasons you just mentioned.

>>380465050

That could easily solved by proper weapon placing. If you place it in extremely hard areas, then props to the player if they can find it early.

See; Morrowind.

>>380465050
Doesn't matter what genre you throw it into. Anti fun game mechanics are anti fun game mechanics. You can justify it with writing all you want. But its still anti fun

Believe it or not it IS actually possible for a Ninendo game to have flaws

>>380463247
Their branding isn't all-powerful. They can't just expand wherever the fuck they want, especially when they have a reputation of being generally family-friendly to uphold. They could maybe slowly venture into health products like the rumors once suggested but a love hotel is too extreme.

>>380463247
Because they have a brand and an image that they need to keep up and protect. Are you retarded?

>Why aren't there any love hotels in Disneyland?

>>380464856
>>380459487
>>380457004

Nintenbabbies, everyone. The guy raises valid points and is completely right, yet they are too swallowed up in console wars to be able to look at things objectively.
Pretty sad desu

>>380452293
>"now that the dust has settled" thread
>dust has actually somewhat settled
what the fuck is happening?!

>>380465071
I sighed out loud. When did you lose all your trust? I have my hands on the table and i am asking you, man to man, to name me whcih games you consider good. You have no idea how curious i am right now. I feel like i am gonna burst because i am potentially missing out on a game or even games that might change my life.
I swear to Metroid, i won't be dismissing your post with the usual
>''loool these are shit''
-reply.

I will answer your question after you named me some of the games whcih you consider good.

>>380465089

She looks like my GF how she's drawn here.
Now I feel like banging her.
Fuck.

>>380465089
HOT

>>380465386
>the guy
Sure anon, the guy and not you.

That being said, there are absolutely no valid points. he's saying if it wasn't a Zelda game people wouldn't like it. Other people (including me) are saying they would like it even if it wasn't a Zelda game.

Just because you can't look past the name doesn't mean no one can.

The fact that your mother didn't sallow you is the sad part.

>>380465694
The mother part wasn't necessary

>>380454229
true that
Both Witcher 3 and Horizon are casual shitfest.

>>380465089
I didn't know I needed this in my life until now.
The artist needs to draw this for every game 1 or game 2 drama /v/ has.

>>380452293
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEGWtyJAkO0 5:20
this right here is the biggest problem of these type of games
>You can only climb where we tell you you can climb

>>380465071
Look at >>380461518
This comment was mine. I can and will write you a detailed response after you give me names

the one where the whole plots isnt about taking down nigel and brexit and accepting refugees

>>380465050
>the system works fine
Until you realize it's all false depth and tedious menu navigation.

Most if not all encounters and treasure chests are completely fucking pointless. Why bother breaking weapons just to pick up more weapons, or worse, menu dive just to drop shit? Why doesn't it automatically cycle to the next available weapon on break instead of forcing you to open the quick menu? Why do you have to fumble through your inventory to eat shit?

The combat sucks, the shrines suck, there's very little variety, there's nothing to really explore because you know exactly what you're going to find, the powers get old after the first hour, climbing is a snoozefest, the weather and other environment systems are poorly thought out, the story/npcs/voices are a joke, the graphics are inconsistent at best and downright ugly at worst, and despite that it still manages to have shit fps. BOTW is shit tier through and through.

>>380464829
Not him but any good faith of yours aside, you don't need to know nor will knowing suddenly enlighten you to a whole slew of "better' games. He could easily say a story-driven game or a turn-based RPG is his favorite game and that might not be able to do anything for you because you might not like either genre. There isn't a wealth of knowledge for you behind his computer, just stay on topic.

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>>380464261
Post a video of them.

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>>380466375

>>380466083
Like i said in my witcher comment, i don't like heavy story driven games. That's why i also said ''potentially'' missing out on games that i haven't heard of or didn't give a try. Again, i just want to know. And to be fair, he was the one who changed the topic first.

>>380465167
>>380465183
>>380465238

It's not a flaw. Thematically, the game has a strong survival subtext, its YOU vs the world. It's in the title of the game for fuck's sake. You are SUPPOSED to feel underpowered and always on the backfoot, scavaging for supplies and surviving on your wits. The weapon durability plays into that as well as encouraging the player to try different weapons, tactics and approaches - compared to just mindlessly button mashing.

Some will love it, some will hate it. At worst its a minor nitpick. But people trying to elevate the issue like it's some major GAME BREAKING FAULT are just utterly desperate to find some kind way to chastise the game.

>>380452754
I hope the next Zelda is a direct sequel and it takes place in Termina, i want to see masks and transformations again.

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>>380466510
Fuck that labyrinth. Not even the ''Hold your right hand on the wall and just move''-trick doesn't work on that. Forgot the name of said ''technique''

>>380466630
>You are SUPPOSED to feel underpowered and always on the backfoot, scavaging for supplies and surviving on your wits
Did you play the same game as I did? BotW was easy as hell

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Sony or Microsoft will never have a "Zelda killer"

Just like they'll never have a "Mario killer". Sega tried that once, and look at what happened.

Get it used to it.

>>380466796
I don't know ANYONE who did this puzzle the way it was meant to be done. I just turned the entire thing upside down. That's the thing i liked most about breath of the wild. There are dozens of ways to solve shirnes and puzzles and everyone does it his own way.

>>380466845
This. Half of the time I was using that shitty skeleton arm as a weapon

>>380466972
Sorry champ but Dragons Dogma is already a superior title

>>380466845
Oh fuck off, Nintendo make games for all ages and all skill levels. They're not making a brutal difficult game just to fucking appease your autism. The game's difficulty is fucking fine.

I bet you're the kind of fucking moron who is constantly having to spam 50+raw fruit to heal himself mid-battle but still complaing that's t-too easy!

>>380466571
He didn't change the topic at all, he just said BotW was mediocre. But anyway, if you want to see if you're missing out on good games, just lurk more, and I don't mean that dismissively. Just look around and you'll find something for yourself.

Horizon really did surpass my expectations, the enemies are always challenging to hunt, unlike Zelda.

>>380467089
What? I can remember only 2 times where i was forced to use a skeleton arm because i run out. And of course that was at the very beginning.

>>380466989
I didn't really enjoy that aspect, just felt like I was cheating and I didn't deserve to progress. I think I cheesed every dungeon, kinda sucks.

>>380466838
I recall somewhere that the right wall trick only works if the maze is designed a certain way but i can't remember the reasoning behind it.

>>380467139
Shush. Don't bring more fanbase wars into this.

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>>380467139
I'm always wondering if people actually played Dragon's Dogma or if they just want to meme.

It's literally a boring shit village. Kill some boring lizards in the well by cutting their tails.

Then walk to smaller shit village. Most awful, boring escort mission ever in a game.

Have access to big but mostly empty, boring world filled with nothing but boring bandits and lizards. Also chimeras and cyclops which are challenging only the very first time you fight them and actually completely retarded and piss easy.

get to boring, dead city. Kill chicken with weird hitboxes.

Go to final boss which is just a huge damage sponge who repeats the same two attacks for 20 minutes.

Stupid "too deep for you" ending.

To get access to all the fun moves (MOVES are the only thing they got right, not combat since enemies are all shit but MOVES themselves), you have to grind for hours over hours.

Not one actual puzzle or clever platforming segment. Also no fun character interactions or decision making.

This is Dragon's Dogma.

>>380467416
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgSeYNZWgyA

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Daily reminder that BotW is a modern masterpiece and will continue to be constantly referenced as a benchmarch in gaming for years.

http://www.gamesradar.com/were-all-talking-about-zelda-breath-of-the-wild-developers-explain-how-its-shaping-the-future-of-games/

Benjamin Plich was the lead designer on Assassin's Creed: Unity and For Honor, and is currently employed as lead game designer at Montreal's Reflector Entertainment.
>Breath of the Wild showed something most designers already know, but which is hard to achieve... [these games are] evolving from classic open worlds to an open-game model - open progression following each player's intrinsic motivations, adaptive challenge curve and economy, open narrative structures, and so on.
Damien Monnier served as senior designer on The Witcher 3 at CD Projekt RED
>Breath of the Wild has managed to bring classic open world mechanics together while not relying on them to guide the player through its world. You go and explore it because you wonder what's out there, not because a loot icon tells you to.
>My expectations, and I mean for me as a Zelda fan, have changed for sure - they've raised the bar when it comes to world crafting and this sense of total immersion I get when I play it. While its world includes classic open-world activities, collectibles and loot-filled mobs, it definitely doesn't feel overloaded and allows the focus be on the exploration. You want to explore this land whether or not you are on a quest, or being tasked to collect/gather something. You know, If you were to remove all NPCs, quests and mobs, I would still take pleasure in exploring that beautiful world.

Tommy François, Ubisoft's franchise director:
>For every creatives, it's a lesson. The game [BotW] seems to tell us : put yourself in question. We realize that we are far from excellency.

http://www.lemonde.fr/pixels/article/2017/03/17/pourquoi-the-legend-of-zelda-breath-of-the-wild-fait-progresser-le-jeu-video_5096048_4408996.html

>>380467717
I thought I was the only one who did this.

>>380467681
I forgot the fucking awful "dungeon" that's just a huge hole with copy/paste rooms and rehashed monsters before the final boss.

>>380467223
Calm down, sperg. I'm not saying the difficulty is an issue, I'm pointing out that if "You are SUPPOSED to feel underpowered" the devs failed. They tried to fix it with bloated HP pools and low durability and at the end of the day it didn't work.

>>380467357
I always seemed to have a shit load just sitting in my inventory so I just used them

>>380467741
>for me as a Zelda fan

Not biased at all.

>>380452293
If Zelda was 40 hours shorter, it would be superior. There is no need for the 900 korok seed of content. Plus some parts are just bland.
Horizon story is engaging at the half of the game. Also easy as fuck, the developers should have made very hard the standar difficulty since you can easily kill shit in hard withouth the need of different weapons, armor or wepaons.

The better game is the one that catters to your preferences and makes you don't care about each games flaws.
Personally I have 0 tolerance for 20fps games or below, hence why I won't play last guardian.
So Horizon > Wii U Zelda.
Can't speak for the Switch version, but im not fond of handhelds. It's that your thing, I can easily see it the other way.

>>380467917
>You are SUPPOSED to feel underpowered
Maybe at the plateau and eventide, but that's not true, the devs didn't even say such thing.

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>>380468003
What self-respecting gamer ISN'T a Zelda fan?

>>380467416
This. It kind of just seems like a lack of forethought than encouraging creativity. Personally I'm more impressed when I play a puzzle game, try out a cheese tactic and see that the developers did something very specific to counteract that.

>>380468315
>the devs didn't even say such thing.
Yes they did. They have a 2 hour presentation on youtube where they talk about the fact BotW is a deliberate break from Zelds conventions.

Zelda is series in which the gameplay is built on player empowerment. BotW is the opposite. Even the Master Sword is weak. It's a deliberate choice to take the player out of their comfort zone.

>>380468410
Anyone who isn't a manchild sperg.

>>380469041
Spoken like a true infant.

>>380467681
Honestly I just really liked the enemy scale and variety. Chimera, cyclops, gryphons, hydras, gazers, saurians, zombies, hellhounds, drakes, dragons, gargoyles, golems, bandits, ghosts, wights, harpies, cockatrices, that giant you find on the black isle, death, and all the variations too. They nailed it better than most games in that regard.

Also wizard has the coolest spells I've ever seen in a game, the character customization is almost unrivaled, and it actually got dark and night (which a lot of devs seem to be afraid to do). I actually really liked DD.

>>380467741
BOTW has massive issues like all the copy pasted shrines and camps, 5 enemy types and 3 mini boss types.

The combat is a mess with flurry activating at random as you spam dodge even on attacks they weren't gonna hit you either way.
The fact that you can carry infinite full heals via food and the fact that time is stopped while you can eat 20 ingredients to heal takes away any challenge from the game unless you have some self imposed challenge runs.

It's a solid 7/10 game with a really well polished base but the lack of content and combat really need another pass.

BotW was basically what I was hoping Horizon would end up being. but I realize I wouldn't enjoy Horizon early on anyways,

>>380454581
Horizon is legit 10/10 compared to Andromeda.

The A in ME:A stands for abomination.

>>380469212
fuck (YOU)

>>380469459
>BOTW has massive issues like all the copy pasted shrines and camps, 5 enemy types and 3 mini boss types.


I've accepted those limitation in the main game, but when I saw that there was no new shit in the DLC chapters, I lost much of my interest in them. My expectation a real high, apparently.

>380468860
break from Zelda conventions =/= supposed to feel underpowered
I don't even know how you came to that conclusion, they meant and talked how they wanted to change the same old formula and gameplay since ocarina.

>>380469797
donte pls

>>380452293
I like Zelda more, but it's a very biased opinion since I hate the camera angle games like Horizon use, makes the characters seem slow as fuck.

>>380469878
Shit, meant to quote >>380468860

>>380463513
Sword fighting is better in every way.

>>380467431
The beginning and end need to be on the outside of the maze. If the end is somewhere in the middle, it does not have to touch any of the exterior walls of the maze.

>>380468005
>There is no need for the 900 korok seed of content.
That's an extra for people who want to do it. The game can be beaten in an hour if you really want to so you're saying that if Zelda was a -39 (negative 39) hour long game, it would be better. Are you retarded?

It's up to you to decide if you want to see literally everything or if you want to finish the game now. If you believe that you should be able to see literally everything in a short amount of time, then the answer to my previous question is a clear yes.

Horizon is a great game
So is Zelda

Try not to be such a cunt and enjoy games more

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>>380470068
BotW is absolutely a complete break from the regular Zelda conventions - Nintendo have openly stated that was their intention all along.

Staples of progression and gameplay mechanics have been left behind and stripped the Zelda forumla all the way to it's base and then build it back up as something new.

In previous Zelda games, the dungeons are the CORE gameplay. The overworld is just a way of connecting them all together and giving the player some semblance of a world to save as well as offering diversions between dungeons.

When you entered a dungeon, you could often spend hours trying to solve it. When you finally beat it, you would emerge blinking back into the sunlight, with a new heart piece and new item. You had gone through an ordeal and you had come back stronger, more empowered than you were before.

That in a nutshell, is one of the trademark hooks that the series is famed for: Player reward through empowerment.

But BotW is different. The overworld itself is the core gameplay. The game is called Breath Of The WILD - on a fundamental level the entire game is based around the player experiencing the "world". The weather, the climate and the environment are all intricately connected - Nintendo coded a living breathing world of consequence.

The focus of the game is on the player to feel lost, to feel constantly underpowered and always on the backfoot. The durability of the weapons lends itself to this thematic undertone. In the context of the game and the experience of the player, I can see what Nintendo were going for although like everything, you can't please all people all the time.

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>>380471510
Is it possible to enjoy more than 1 game?

>>380462901
If BotW is your kind of game, I can't think of any.
People say it's in a whole different league for a reason. It's not comparable to other games because it does a lot of things in a decent way. You could call it a jack of a lot of trades.

If you like the exploration or combat part of BotW, Soulsborne games do both of those better.
If you like the interactivity with the world, Minecraft and Terraria has a lot of that, arguably Dark Messiah as well.
If you like the fetch quests, World of Warcraft has way more and some times better.
If you like the open ended way of playing the game, Dishonored arguably does it better because it's designed around it.
If you like collecting Koroks and upgrade orbs, Banjo Kazooie has the whole game revolving around it.
If you like the lack of directions and map markers placed by the game, try Miasmata.

If you like all of the above and want it in one package, though, BotW is the only game that combines them.

>>380471998
I liked the souls games.
I dont like minecraft and terraria
I wasted enough years in MMOs
I didn't like dishonored but i didn't give it a fair chance to tell the truth
And i liked bajo kayooie of course. Replayed it 2 years ago.
Miasmata, can you tell me more about this?

>>380455596
Give me the Mipha or the Musclewaifu instead

>>380468005
You're not supposed to collect all 900 you idiot. Koroks are there to reward you for being observant during your exploration. How the hell is understanding basic game design this difficult?

>>380471998
>tfw got forever spoiled by BotW and every single game after it is disappointing

>>380472512
http://store.steampowered.com/app/223510/Miasmata/
You are out in the wilds trying to find a cure for yourself.
You find landmarks like statues and use them to draw lines that intersect where you are. It's easier to understand from footage.
It looks interesting but sadly is in greenlight and has been for a while.

>>380452293
god damn that woman is ugly

>>380472992
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>380456882
Honestly, it being part of a franchise hurt as much as help it. A large complaint against the game was it not being "Zelda" enough with its lack of trademark dungeons and strong narrative.

As standalone games, BotW is still the superior experience. It even makes each of its Ubisoft Towers actually slightly unique and yet still open ended to "solve"

I have 60 hours in Horizon and 120 hours in Zelda. Zelda grabbed me more immediately because the exploration and map traversal is so much better. It's more immediately gratifying. Once I finished it I started playing HZD and realized it actually has a better combat system and an actual crafting system whereas Zelda has four different weapons and lets you cook a bunch of different items that only do a few different things. I do like that you can mix and match armor and there are different which isn't an option in HZD.

Horizon:
+Writing
+Combat
+Graphics
+Weapons

Zelda:
+Exploration/Sense of discovery
+Map traversal
+Physics

Both games blow the other away at the things they're good at. I've had more fun with Zelda overall but HZD is extremely underrated on here because of the SJW boogeyman.

>>380452293
I think it's pretty obvious that BotW is better by the amount of interesting stuff people post compared to Horizon. Look at all the webms of the cool stuff you can do in Horizon in this thread vs BotW.

>>380473160
>any Zelda
>strong narrative
Maybe Twilight Princess, and even then everyone is as basic as they get, which isn't a bad thing, the story has always been a secondary thing for Nintendo, only an excuse for the gameplay and world structure, but I hardly consider any zelda having strong narrative.

>>380473652
Doesn't change that it's one of the things Zelda is "known" for. Much like how Bioware is "known" for "deep, introspective characters"

>>380474241
Much like yer mom is known for her free blowjobs lmaoo

>>380471998
>If you like the exploration or combat part of BotW, Soulsborne games do both of those better.
I agree with most of your post, but the exploration in Soulsborne is different than in BotW. Soulsborn exploration is akin to a 3D Metroid game, where the areas are simple labyrinths that are connected to each other. The style of exploration in BotW is more open and player-focused. The game is designed around the player seeing an interesting place in the distance (be it a hill, a small forest, a mountain side, w/e) and going there using the movement mechanics the game offers (climbing->gliding->boarding->climbing). The geography of the game is designed around that principle.

That being said, I do not think one of these two styles is better than the other, they just require different approaches from the game designer, and I fancy the latter one requires more work.

>>380471447
Tell me 1 (ONE) person that bought Zelda, beat it on it's first playthrough within an hour and stop playing the game.

>>380474470
Why do you think I know everyone how bought the game? And how is that relevant to my argument? You can still beat the game in 4-5 hours on your first try if you really want to. Are you saying that's too much? Is 10 hours too much? Is 20 hours too much?
What is too much when you can decide when to end it?

>>380474470
my wifes son

>>380474351
N-no you!

>>380474372
That's true. I didn't think of it like that. That there are different types of exploration.
I prefer Soulsborne's more substantial rewards, that's why I rate its exploring higher.
I guess TES 3, 4, and 5 are more akin to BotW's exploration, but those worlds are tiny.

The new Asscreed might work similar if you can disable the map because of how large the world looked, but it'd need interesting content in the world besides camps.

Zelda is better overall but BotW does many things better, including combat and main story.

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>>380452293
so you retards are going to start making this thread over and over again its like you retards think others cant get both

>>380452293
Considering I have both, definitely Horizon. And that new DLC got me hype as fuck to jump back into it.

>>380475496
kek

>>380475216
Well, the rewards being more substantial in Souls is true, but again, it is a design decision in BotW - one that can be argued about, obviously. I would however not call BotW-rewards insubstantial.

And yeah, BotW-exploration is more similar to Elder Scrolls, but since map traversal is much more fun in BotW, I deem it superior.

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>>380473335
Why can't people be more like this?

>>380475840
>I deem it superior.
Ditto.
I didn't play BotW for very long because all I found when exploring was shrines, rusty weapons, rupee gate fairies, fetchy side quests and koroks and I had a feeling it wouldn't get much better, especially since I accidentally saw spoilers. Correct me if I'm wrong but there are very few areas that you can't reach unless you upgraded stamina/health/sheika tools, right? I can think of the Master Sword.

>>380473335


>+Combat
>+Weapons

kek

>>380476329
The only thing when you need to upgrade your hearts are to grab the Master Sword, everything else can be explorable right from the get go. And even then, the Master Sword is optional too.

>>380477014
let me ask are you retarded

>>380477429
You just said that the combat is better in horizon and you call me retarded?

>>380473335
>+Combat
I preferred Zelda combat, it was more creative and let you do more kind of crazy shit.

>>380452293
Okay can people be honest how many of you actually played both games?
Letsplays doesn't count
Playing at friend's place for 15 minutes doesn't count.

>>380477843

If you've actually played both you know it's true. Zelda has fun combat but Horizon has more in depth combat focusing on overrides, exploiting an enemy's elemental weaknesses, and using specific arrow types to disable or remove robot components. Zelda has a dodge up or sideways to spam attack button and a headshot that stuns enemies for a second.

>>380479637
You look at the combat of Zelda in a way too simplistic way. Because Zelda has a bunch of stuff that is part of the combat system even though there is no massive sticker with "THIS IS FOR COMBAT" written on it - and the game tries very hard to teach you this in the beginning.

That being said, I did not play HZD, so I do not know how much there is to its combat, but breaking BotW combat down to Windwaker 2 - Electric Boogaloo is a sign that you either did not play the game very long, or that you probably didn't have a lot of fun with it.

I didnt play either because I dont play open world crap but probably zelda.

>>380479161
I have only played Horizon, but I would have played both if the Switch could be found at the official price.

>>380480531

That's what everyone always says though. Sure it's possible to use the environment to your advantage but it's not prevalent throughout the game. I said I prefer Zelda and I think it has a lot more possibility because of the fun physics engine but it isn't consistently possible. Most of the time you're fighting pretty standard battles.

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>>380479161
I'm >>380460347, >>380475216 and >>380476329
I prefer Horizon. I don't see a reason to continue playing BotW when I know I won't find anything that's interesting to me and I really don't like the combat.
I hope other developers take inspiration from certain areas of this game like the open ended exploration and interactivity, but I need more than just that to keep myself interested.

>>380482892
>Most of the time you're fighting pretty standard battles.
Then you just aren't creative enough.

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Why do people on /v/ compare literally who Sony propaganda games with fucking Zelda of all games? Just because both are open world?

What is going on?

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>>380483014
I hope no one takes this guy seriously or any Cemu fags. I played it, it's literally (i.e. in the truest sense of the word) unplayable at times and missing lots of effects.

It's funny when shitposters admit they play BotW on Cemu, though.

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But... can you play with Aloy in her underwear?

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Zelda is a good, fun game. Horizon is trash. How is this a question?

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What's Horizon's propaganda?
I just want to know, I never palyed it.

>>380452293
female protag = instant loss
sjw aspects dont help no matter how you jack it to the graphics

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>>380483014
And here's a pretty good example of what I mean.
I waited for it to stop raining to be able to climb this pillar. At the top I found a chest with five ice arrows.
Why should I ever bother climbing one of these again? It wasn't fun or rewarding in any sense.

>>380483732
The only effect that's "missing" for me is that ripples in water sometimes appear yellow when they probably shouldn't.
I don't think more appropriately colored water ripples would make me like the game.

Got both on launch.

BOTW is better by a landslide.

>>380483931

Shoot robot dinosaurs. It's fun. Lots of gadgets to play around with, some cinematics are janky, gameplay is more focused on the hunt rather than exploration.

Falseflaggers just like to lead nintendos into thinking there's an active campaign from Horizon against Zelda when it's almost always "so who won, Zelda or Horizon? Here's two videos where Zelda incredibly obviously wins." Issue is, it's been done so much that now the second Horizon gets mentioned in normal threads, it draws comparisons to Zelda immediately.

>>380483732
>>380484278
I just tried using said ice arrows on the lake to see if there was an interaction. There was none.
Horizon is similar in that sense.

>>380483931
Basically all the game boils down to
>sit in a bush
>spam whistle
>stealth kill every robot/human
sometimes you hack a robot to make it fight for you for a while but you can only ride the horse/deer robots
theres also nothing really huge and dangerous in the world, you can kill thunderjaw's, the big t-rex, in like a minute or two easily.

>>380484278
Thunderstorms effects are missing, Molduga also seems somewhat bugged.

>>380483554
How can there still be games released with non-interactive fish when that feature was introduced by Call of Duty Ghosts in 2013?

>>380485139
Nothing that would change my opinion on the game, then. It's never unplayable. Dips in towns but that's it.

Also, is no one gonna show proof that they've played Horizon and talk shit about it or is it just shitposters?
Wouldn't surprise me, to be honest.

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>>380485665

>>380472756
>THERES PLENTY OF THINGS TO DO LIKE COLLECT KOROK SEEDS
>YOU DONT HAFF TO COLLECT ALL THE SEEDS

Make up yall mind do the damn game got content or not?

>>380485665
We went back for the sake of slightly shinier textures.

I would replay horizon
I wouldn't replay zelda

>>380486425
He is right tho, there are 900 koroks seeds just to ensure you can find them easily and expand your weapon slots, but having to collect them all is far from required, just finding them as you go by doing other quest is enough.

>>380486425
The huge amount is so that everyone who plays will always end up finding 100+ easily throughout their other quests, but they don't have to go out of their way to find them.

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>>380489032
why did I even bother.

Aloy was kinda of a bitch, at least Sylens was there to tell her to shut up and be amazed at what she was finding and learning about the ancient ones. I liked the story and it felt at least like I was playing a game unlike Uncharted 4

I had more fun exploring and playing Zelda though. Something about the graphics, artstyle and charm took me back to the old days where you could just press start and play a game right away

Also, some stuff didn't make sense in Horizon. The Carja had those huge buildings but at the same time there are barbarians and hunter tribes scattered throughout the map

>>380489202
Because you were curious?
Are you retarded?

>>380489202
Yeah this kind of pissed me off too. I come across something that catches my eye and get rewarded with a piece of shit. Yeah you can trade said shit in for inventory slots but it still sucks.

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>>380489032
>>380489202
So you just got out the plateau, and instead of visiting any place of doing quest you go autistically go to every korok seed you can find?

>>380489612
I wasn't. I knew that I'd receive a korok seed.
The next time as well.
I know that 99% of the time. If I find something that looks off or special, my reward for interacting with it will be a smaller and smaller fraction of expanding my inventory.
I've found some small puzzles like that that felt very unique, so why couldn't they give me something unique.

>>380489962
I'm exploring the world. I haven't bothered going back to turn in my orbs and I haven't bothered with all Shrines because I know that I'll just get an upgrade orb that I won't need and I haven't enjoyed any of the shrines so far.

>>380480531
You can blow shit up in more ways in Zelda because of the interactive environment but that is mostly just fucking around.

The core weapon combat isn't very deep. Then again that goes for most games. There is cheese in Horizon as there is in every game. Hell the fucking machine gun gunslinger in DMC3 causes instant SSS.

>>380466630
anyone complaining about weapons didn't realize that every blood moon everything resets

>>380490548
Does it reset the weapons in your inventory?

>>380490302
>I'm exploring the world.
Yet not doing anything except searching korok seeds, did you even get to kakariko or just started going autistic as you got off the plateau?

>>380452293
good god Zelda blows Horizon out of the fucking water. as everyone knew it would before even watching that.

not that Zero Dawn doesn't look good, it does. it's just... pretty much all issues personally of mine toward these big games these days. can't smash a fucking barrel? I mean make the place feel real and immersive, don't put a barrel there if you can't play with it. it's a fucking game.

excellent demonstration of the difference between a classic, VIDEOGAME and an overhyped game that will date rapidly

>>380490670
No, but you can find better weapons instead.

>>380490670
of course not, but just mark on your map whatever cool weapon you find and go grab it if you are so desperate. If you have shit weapons, there are meals that boost your attack, you just have to be smart and manage your inventory.

but I guess that's too much to ask, even in a Nintendo game, everything must have a tutorial and voice over so you retards know what to do

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>>380452293
What? It's not even close. Horizon is an attempt at making Witcher 3 as a Sony exclusive that failed.

Breath of the Wild is really, really great, and I don't even like Zelda games, which might be why I like BotW. I never liked the concept of "Do dungeon, find item, use item in dungeon repeat 5-6 times". In BotW they pretty much changed it into a really great exploration game with a lot to do. I also want to go on record and say I don't own a Wii-u and played it on my PC with an xbox 360 controller.

The only reason this comparison happens is because of shitposting and sonybros. They're so desperate for an actual hit that isn't bloodborne that any exclusive is overhyped to the point of it being laughable. Zero Dawn is a generic AAA action game that is being touted as game of the year simply because it isn't on the xbox or PC. The entire sony conference at E3 proves what we already knew. "YOU SEE THIS AAA GARBAGE THAT WOULD GET SHIT ON NORMALLY? WELL XBOX KIDDIES CAN'T PLAY IT GOTY GOTY GOTY GOTY GOTY GOTY!!!!!!"

I own both, enjoy both. Neither are genre-defining games to me due to the very limited activities. In Zelda you can do shrines, look for Koroks, gather equipment/items for crafting, and do the "dungeons." In Horizon you can gather, collect stuff like in Zelda, and do missions. I would say they're both solid 8s.

>>380490683
No, I'm literally looking for things to do other than shrines. I only do korok puzzles because they don't have loading times or combat encounters.
I found a Beedle and iirc he asked me to fetch a bug for him. I didn't want to do that so I skipped that quest.
I found a guy who sells shields and told me that you could surf down the slope on them. I already knew that so I surfed away.
I helped some NPCs that were attacked by monsters twice, can't even remember what they gave me.
I've found about 10 stray chests and they've all had weapons and arrows in them.
I found a couple rusty weapons that were stuck in the ground too, I guess. Didn't last long.

>>380491023
Don't be rude. I was just asking.
So I can go back to camps that I've already explored to get the same rewards? Sounds fun.

>>380454391
he was great in this and Quantum Break

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>Sonybros desperate to defend bland western AAA releases because they're exclusives

TOP FUCKING KEK

>>380457757
they know they can still sell it to gullible retards from screenshots alone

>>380491446
sorry anon, I thought you were shitposting. Yup, that's what I do anyway, there are some shrines that you battle some guardians that have great weapons, so usually if I really need those weapons I just go there and grab it.

But honestly, weapons aren't a huge deal breaker like most anons say here, yeah it's a pain when you break your weapon while fighting a Lynel or something, but with this kind of enemies you have to be better prepared anyway

The game is basically Korok seeds + shrines but I actually like those shrines and just messing around with the world is fun, unlike Horizon where you are just going to point a to b collecting every plant you see and fighting a robot because you don't have anything better to do

>>380490461
Maneuvering around is a big part of combat in BotW, not just blowing shit up.

>>380491446
No, I'm literally looking for things to do other than shrines.
Then go to Kakariko or talk to an npc that gives you an actual quest.
Beedle doesn't even give you a real quest (in the sense that will be in the quest list), he will just buy every rare bug you have and offer you some items.

One has charm the other has cool robot designs

>>380492163
Is there a specific one you want me to play to get the authentic BotW experience?

>>380492486
Going to Kakariko like you were told in the plateau would be a good start, better than talk to NPCs that don't even give quest and just searching for koroks that you don't even know where to spend their seeds on.

>>380492330
>smashing barrels
>accurate physics with electricty and water
>accurate physics with fire and wood
>accurate physics with ragdoll
>accurate physics with scaling mountains

this goes way beyond surface aesthetics. this is basic stuff that Horizon fails at in the most miserable manner. that said, most games do. Zelda excels. There is a reason some games are considered great and then some games are laughed at.

For some reason some designers think it's more important to put in "cool looking baskets" than it is to create a predictable world that behaves in a way that is interactive and fun for the player

Ultimately, whatever floats your boat. Just forgive me for saying that if you care more about rock textures than being able to scale a rock in a fun way, you're probably better off watching a movie

>>380452293
zelda easily outclasses it in terms of gameplay, physics, and interactivity. Horizon did look better but you ha've to be a special kind of faggot to give a fuck about graphics after years and years of constantly being shoveled shit because muh better graphics.

>>380469041
>liking good gameplay = sperg
what shit taste you have there senpai

>>380492809
>Graphics

The game doesn't even have great graphics. It's some 720p blocky, jaggy console shit. It has a brown and bloom art style. If you want graphics, get a fucking PC.

At least BotW made up for its lack of texture quality with a nice art style. In 10 years Horizon Zero Dawn will look laughably bad (if it already doesn't) and BotW will at least be looked back as having a nice style to it (even though it'll still not look good).

>>380492779
exactly. That's what sold me on Zelda. On Switch actually, they maybe kid friendly, they may be full of autists, but goddamn they know how to make a fun GAME

Not that Horizon doesn't deserve its praise of course, they actually cared to explain the robot designs in the story and why there are grey military robots and animal types. they put some thought on it instead of just making a AAA experience. And it feels like a game, not a press X until the next cutscene that they call a set piece because they want to fool you and make you think you are actually playing a game

>>380492774
I went to Kakariko. I didn't bother talking to anyone except Paya and Impa because I didn't care to. I wanted to see what this world had to offer because I heard that the exploration was good and I despise the combat.

>>380493117
this, Horizon looks great in SOME WAYS but overall it looks like shit. seriously.

like yeah, pause and look in the distance it looks kinda good. but lets be real, it's all fucking aliased out and the animation of the trees is just "ech" - it looks superficially good. then you see that crappy, soulless water animation and the arrow just kind of sticking there, the engine itself feels cheap

and when you can't smash a barrel it goes from feeling cheap to feeling like a piece of crap

I don't mean to just pile on it, I'm sure it's not horrible. It's just everything I kind of hate in most big games right now. I'm not throwing down to play that kind of thing.

>>380454551
?
It's definitely a boring piece of shit tho

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I own both and have player 50+ hours in both. Horizon is easily better. Zelda is fun as a sandbox, but it's lacking in all other aspects.

>>380493335
>talking to NPCs that don't even give quest but purposelly not talking to the one that do
So you aren't really interested in playing, got it.

>>380452293
Hard to say.
On the one hand, you have a western buggy piece of shit that has an interesting premise and passable gameplay that some how made a game about taking down robotic dinosaurs repetitive as fuck by being so generic.
On the other hand you having an empty boring piece of shit with paper-thin combat and completely lacking in inspiration where literally gaming's greatest physics in existence is used to find gay korok seeds and do the same shrine over-and-over.

>>380485130

>playing on easy

The game is much harder than anything Zelda throws at you. You can't just sneak attack more than 1-2 times per fight and it's not enough to kill anything but the weakest enemies. Most enemies would take 4-5 critical hits to die and you only get one stealth crit before they're attacking you and that's if you can manage to sneak up on them. There are two enemy types that will die from one stealth attack and they are always accompanied by larger bots.

Thunderjaws, storm birds, behemoths, and rock breakers will all whip your ass on anything above normal difficulty.

>>380493691
This seems to be a common trend with people who own both. No one actually dislikes Horizon, it's just the BotW shitposters who never played it.

>>380493691
I just finished Horizon today. Something that I really liked about how open world works in Zelda is for instance, north of the map, there's a huge skeleton there.

There's not a shrine there, but I went there just to see it, there are enemies, a good sword, a Lynel to fight, and that dragon flies by sometimes.

Now, exploring horizon: every place in Horizon that looks different is different because you have to do a quest there. I was exploring the map and went near Gaia Prime by accident, figured it was a story mission because I couldn't climb further, earlier I went to a village in a desert and using the focus I saw a hostage, but the side quest wasn't triggered so I didn't get to rescue her at that point.

I think Zelda is more rewarding in that aspect

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Botw better for exploration but I found Horizons gameplay to be more fun

>>380494129
>game is harder

come on man, I beat it on very hard, perhaps you struggle a bit before you buy the shadow weapons, but when you have Tearblast weapon (that you can get on a sidequest so you don't need to buy it), the tearblast arrow, the ice arrow and the fire arrow, you are unstoppable. You can get everything done without them, but if you have them, killing thunderjaws is just a matter of rolling and aiming right. The game is not hard

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>>380452293
>game about ugly red-haired dyke with a black bull
vs.
>game about a transsexual boy

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>>380495139
>game about perfect boy

Fixed that for you.

>>380494738

Well I still die a good bit so maybe I suck. Zelda was piss easy in comparison is all I'm saying. I'm hopeful for the sword trials dlc though because Eventide Island was the toughest part of the game for me.

Well idk, Horizon doesn't let you ride the dinosaurs.
BOTW lets you ride a fucking bear

So what the fuck do you think?

>>380495681
What Horizon does lets you ride basically amounts to a bear, and it's far more of a satisfying moment anyway.

And people call sony the worst fanbase.

>330 posts

Amazing, as gullible as ever.

>>380471837
>The game is called Breath Of The WILD - on a fundamental level the entire game is based around the player experiencing the "world". The weather, the climate and the environment are all intricately connected
>The durability of the weapons lends itself to this thematic undertone.
What kind of apologist bullshit is this, games are about gameplay, an empty overworld and glass weapons with lacking dungeons do not make for good gameplay.

>>380496220
Well my point was in BOTW you can ride what's basically the biggest animal in the world.
In zero dawn you can only ride three things, a horse, a bull and a ram.
It's unacceptable you can't ride anything else.
And to say that'll be "fixed" in the second game is also absurd. It's 2017 and the only thing I can understand we wouldn't be able to ride are the flying ones, but no, 95% or so is what we can't ride.

>>380496474
>even pointing that out
Come on, anon.

People stopped talking about Horizon after 1 week. That really says a lot.

>>380496716
I mean the fucking lego games let you ride basically whatever you want

Not being able to ride the dinosaurs is like making a batman game where batman can drive any car he want BESIDES the batmobile
Really? In a batman game?
Just give me the fucking batmobile and take out the other cars

>>380495662
that island was one of the best parts of the game
>almost putting that last orb on the hole
>forgot I had the metal shield on
>lightning strikes and I lose 40 min of my life