How is Quake's single player? Better than Doom?

>>380446494
No.

No singleplayer is better than Doom's.

I'd say so.

Quake 1 is secretly the best singleplayer FPS ever made.

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>>380446494
I enjoyed it so far. I'm up to the last chapter/4.

The level design is creative and rewards exploration, with lots of secrets to find.
The aesthetic is ugly, but immersive.
The sound design is 10/10, some of the best in vidya.
The gameplay and shooting is top tier, rewarding skilled fast-paced play.
the enemy design is good
the weapons are okay

pretty much my only issues with the game are the graphics (although it's actually kind of charming in its own way,) and the fact that the Super Nailgun basically makes the Nailgun useless, despite the regular Nailgun looking better.

Would definitely recommend at the asking price on Steam, make sure you launch QuakeGL.

>>380447535
>Would definitely recommend at the asking price on Steam
Isn't the Steam version missing the soundtrack? I was going to download the game from the /vr/ pastebin anyways.

>>380446738
quake 2 is better

>>380447818
>Someone is going to fall for this b8

>>380447801
>Isn't the Steam version missing the soundtrack?
yep
>I was going to download the game from the /vr/ pastebin anyways.
on second thought you might as well, depends on whether the money goes to the original devs or just into Zenimax's pockets, I suppose.

No but it's pretty good. I'm more of a modernist when it comes to fps though. As much as I like Quake and Doom sometimes, they have more than their fate share of flaws. Quake feels a lot more modern than Doom though. It's just a Shane both franchises only got 2 good entries. Though in fairness I never played Quake 4 and barely touched Doom 3.

>>380448727
>It's just a Shane both franchises only got 2 good entries
Doom, Doom 2, Final Doom, Doom 64. That makes four.

>>380449112
>final doom
Kind of grasping at straws there but I agree with 64.

>>380446494
Not better and I'd say not worse, it's different.
Fighting the monsters in Quake doesn't feel the same as in Doom. It's not just a more modern, less colorful Doom.

If you're ok with the dark and dreary artistic direction and atmosphere and the more ambient soundtrack, you'll enjoy the game.

>>380446494
Yes
But Blood is better than both

>>380446494
It's not better than doom, but it's pretty good nonetheless.

>>380446738
Fuck no, That's Serious Sam.

It's relatively short, but it's quality. Feels more concentrated than Doom.

Make sure you get the soundtrack, it's great.

>>380446494
It's more fastpaced and better designed with tougher encounters.

>>380448473
Things are not b8 just because you disagree with them. Quake 2 is more popular than Quake online.

>>380448727
>both franchises only got 2 good entries
Kill yourself.

>>380449882
Serious Sam has awful level design.

>>380451617
Enemy placement is part of level design, so no.

>>380447535
QuakeGL is garbage. Get Quakespasm, rename it to glquake.exe to run it from steam

>>380447801
Get Quakespasm and you can put the music as audio files in id1/music folder

>>380451939
I didn't want to go to any extra effort to play a video game which is why I use GL, but thanks anyway.

>>380451841
>enemy placement
>Serious Sam
Lol what? It just throws enemies at you in droves

>>380446494

Solid, but I find Doom more replayable. The encounters in Q1 are also often smaller in scale and over too soon if you have weapons past the SSG

>>380452171
The origin of those enemies herds you in predetermined ways and forces you to change tactics constantly. You need to pay attention to the shit your play.

>>380452171
That's Painkiller. Serious Sam never does that.

>>380446494
It's better than Doom 2, not Doom 1.

>>380452125
GL is broken, old, and is missing several visual features that the software mode had

Quakespasm adds it back

>>380446494
It's hard to compare the two because the way you navigate through their single player levels requires different mindsets. With DOOM it's all about running fast and circlestrafing, in Quake it's more about vertical awareness and calm strategic crawling.

>>380446494
Quake's single player is one of a kind experience. One of the finest ever.
>>380447535
Try both expansions. They were very good and both studios responsible then went to make their own games.

>>380452171
Have you ever actually played the game to the end in an efficient matter or were you dying left and right and barely finishing up levels alive?

Because I find it hard to believe someone who says that could actually finish the game without just dieing every mission towards the end.

>>380452556
You literally just need to know how to point and shoot

>>380452693
It's literally all it does

>>380446494
In general, Doom has the edge in SP and Quake has the edge in MP with id stuff.

>>380446494
No.
It's fucking trash. Boring, bullet-spongy,never-ending trash.
Stopped at chapter 3.

>>380452976
I have, Serious Sam isn't even particularly challenging

>>380453112
>You literally just need to know how to point and shoot
Welcome to shootan games.

one of the best singleplayer FPS expereinces I have ever had. Not only that but I now feel most other FPSs are shit unless they offer something to make up for the inferior level design and the lack of secrets.

is it me or are the Shotguns OP?
After getting the super shotgun I never used anything else

Gameplay's fun, obviously not as good, since it's physically impossible for FPS to be better than Doom, but good god is visual design in Quake is shit. If you think every CoD and Gears look the same, Quake will give you a real lesson in how boring and samey can entire game look.

>>380446494
>Better than Doom?
Yes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODC5n5ngQKU

>>380454240
>If you think every CoD and Gears look the same, Quake will give you a real lesson in how boring and samey can entire game look.
This. I actually found myself falling asleep while playing it.

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> but good god is visual design in Quake is shit
I find Quake's visual design ugly but I actually don't agree. While there is a lot of muddy brown, and it's not as visually vibrant as Doom, that's what they were going for. It literally is meant to be ugly.

The "mud filter" is no different to the Matrix's "green filter" in that regard. There's nothing inherently wrong with it, CoD and Gears just overdid it and made us tired of it.

But for a game about disgusting Lovecraftian horrors in the bowels of the Earth and in other dimensions, it works just fine.

>>380454995
>It was supposed to be shit

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>see Black Knight enemy across a small gap from me, standing around a corner
>figure I'll be able to take potshots at him without him being able to reach me with his melee
>he runs up, does two quick hops to cross the gap, and gets right in my face
I wasn't aware they could do that.

reminder that there won't be grenade launchers in QC

>>380455280
well yeah, that's my argument
if you make a game about ugly shit, you're going to make your shit ugly, so what

Also Quake has great use of shadow, very eerie

I played it last year for the first time and it's probably my favorite FPS of all time now. The shooting feels good and the movement is perfect, and has great sound design. The level design is really good too but I think it fell apart a bit in chapter 4. Personally I absolutely love the look of the game but that's all up to preference.

>>380455328
yet another reason on my list of reasons to ignore it
>no Hunter because can't offend muh sjws
>no mods because greed
>over-detailed, tryhard visual design that hurts to look at
>poorly balanced character abilities that take away focus from skilled gameplay
>giving Zenimax "paid mods inc." money

>>380446494
Everything takes more shots to kill in quake. You really start to wish the shotgun would 1-2 shots some mobs like in doom.

>>380455574
I read that in chapter 4 they threw in all the levels that they couldn't figure out a consistent theme for

>>380446494
>How is Quake's single player?

I bought it when it first released but as I recall it was bretty good and when I got a GPU it went godly. If you can get scourge of armagon if it's not already included.

But the multiplayer was where it's at.

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Quake was fun, but doom was much better visually in design.

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>>380446494
It's say core gameplay resembles more Doom 4 than Doom 1/2.
Main difference you'll see in Quake is that monsters are less numerous but harder to kill. Ability to evade attacks, and/or quickly disengage if things start looking ugly will come far more handy than twitchshooting right in the middle. Maps have more vertical design. Little tip: zombies can be killed only with explosives or quad damage. Other weapons can only knock them down.
Quake 2 has you fighting mostly enemies armed with projectile weapons, quite often hitcan, which changes pacing to more tactical, less circle strafing, more hit-and-run. Stunning enemies to break their attacks becomes essential whan dealing with whatever can't be killed with 2 blasts from super-shotty. You can also rush with super-shotty and bait certain enemies into melee attacks, which will delay them firing. Oh, and you can store powerps in inventory and use them when you feel you need them.
Quake 4 is simply better Doom 3. Overall gameplay design is similar, but everything is plain better. Bigger areas, more effective weapons, faster combat. Also one of very few games where AI buddies are useful as more than distraction for bad guys.

>>380446738
for kids with ADHD, holy shit I loved unreal, but the spawn/die/kill every twelve seconds is nauseating.

>>380455574
Gotta play some custom maps now m8.

>>380455718
You need to switch weapons when you fight enemies. Super Nailgun + quick SSG switch can kill most enemies very quickly.

Just got Quake the offering from gog an installed Quakespasm. Game is fun but how do i play the addons? Quakespasm only lets me play Quake and i dont know how to run the addons with spasm.

>>380456180
I understand the nail guns does extra damage to the bigger enemies than shells or explosives do, or that explosives does less damage to such.

>>380455908
blood and gore is fine, but Brutal Doom is just tasteless, like gore comics I was drawing in elementary to show everyone how hardcore I am

>>380456317
Explosives do 50% less damage to Shamblers only. The trick with killing monsters quickly is to learn weapon recovery time and abuse the instant weapon switch.

I liked the single player Doom over Quake but Quake was the fucking tits online

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>>380456180
I've played most of the ones in this pack, but that's pretty much it. Any recommendations on what I should play next?

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>>380446738
Wrong
and yes, stealth mission was turnoff and wasn't needed
still best game

>>380446738
thats not dick kikcem

>>380456609
Pretty much all 4-5 star maps and episodes on Quaddicted are absolutely worth it. Recently, Arcane Dimensions is the go-to mod. Introduces a lot of new monsters and has killer maps.

>>380456619
I played this game when I was younger but I always got stuck at the catacombs filled with invincible undead part, however I read the manual and saw all the cool nazi experiments you could later kill.

>>380456342

If you recall there were lots of doom like games during that era...

What made doom so well was the clean development of the game. It not only ran smooth but the textures were pristine, the sounds were crispy, clear and synced well with the animations. The guns were diverse and were well developed.

The maps were laid out in such a way that they had traps, surprises, upper and lower levels within the maps, masses of enemies pummeling you.

As I recall, the only games that stood up to doom well were Duke Nukem and the original Blood.

Wolfenstein was shit.

>>380456609
>all these castles
I wonder if there are still people playing Painkiller in MP. I feel urge to reinstall.

>>380449679
Quake 2 has more in common with Doom. Some of the basic enemies feel really spongy though and the art is lacking in both color, and shading that Doom had. Fortunately Quake 2 has one of the best soundtracks in history.

>>380456619

These guys were bullshit on the hardest difficulty

>>380451617
until you've played a sp mod, you'll realize just how well croteam designed the levels/enemy placements

>>380456619

Enemy territory was great as well.

>>380456619
these niggas will never not make me uncomfortable. the way they jump is just creepy

>>380456787
knights? Just don't fire when they turtle behind shields. Let them close and fill with bullets when they attack, or use cooked grenade to kill them from behind. Zombies simply ignore grendes, which kinda makes sense

>>380446494
Quake 1 is excellent single player and among the best of any FPS.

But Doom is better.

>>380456880
>>380457130
main reason why I never used panzerfausts. I hoarded them just in case I run into these fuckers.

>>380455916
Quake 4 is not better Doom 3 faggot. I didn't have to walk only for half of Doom 3 before you go through the stroggification scene.

>>380456857
On an objective level, Quake 2 has more colors than Doom through colored lighting. It just seems colorless due to bad mappers using outdoor yellow lighting.

>>380449779
This guy knows

>>380446494
It's kinda weak. Only thing that's really good about it is the level design.

>>380458627
Doom 3 had crappy shotgun. CRAPPY SHOTGUN. You would think it's impossible, but they somehow did it. If you make game, and can't make shotgun feel good to use, don't even fucking start.

>>380449779
Blood is fun, but HP scalling, holy shit, why devs think it's a good idea to balance difficulties by giving enemies more HP?

>>380459445
Shotgun in Doom 3 is a very effective and balanced weapon if you disagree 1v1 me in Doom 3.

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I played DOOM 2 years ago but I could only play with arrow keys, also my quake has resolution problems and is missing the original soundtrack how do i go about making these games work like they are supposed to. I want the closest experience to the original release

>>380454240
>but good god is visual design in Quake is shit.
It's only since been surpassed in ugliness by RAGE and wolfenstein, and only because of idtech 5 and memegatextures.
>that quake area in RAGE with low resolution blurry as fuck textures

>>380456619
Holy shit yes, to this day best game in category: "contains either nazis, zombies, or guns in general".

>>380460119
Quake's visual design ugly techbases aside is great and neither of those games you listed are ugly in any way.

>>380446494
Yes.

It's literally one of the best games ever made.

Doom is good, but not amazing.

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>>380460535
>and neither of those games you listed are ugly in any way.
This is a texture that is lower resolution, takes up more disk space, and takes up more VRAM than a better look traditional texture. Say something nice about it.

>>380447818
>>380449882
>>380456121

kys

>>380460114
Using GZdoom or any other engine emulator. You can even use mods to enchance the experience.

>>380460793
its larger than 64x64
meanwhile rage is one of the few id tech games with good outdoor environments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCvc9VD-zWI

>>380460970
also megatextures or virtual texturing are now commonplace in modern engines

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>>380459206
>Implying the sound design wasn't great
TINK TINK TINK
BOOSH. BOOSH. BOOSH.
URGHHRGL... (nom)
PEWPEWPEWPEWPEWPEWPEWPEWPEWPEW(whizzzzz)
BRAAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHATATATATATAAT
SQUICK SQUICK SQUICK
HUIUH HUIUH HUIUH

>>380456609
ARCANE DIMENSIONS

YOU MUST PLAY IT
BEST LEVEL DESIGN I'VE EXPERIENCED IN OVER A DECADE

>>380446494
I can't believe people unironically think doom 1+2 is better than Quake
Is this the 'rip and tear' crowd at work or something more stupid?

>>380455679
>no Hunter because can't offend muh sjws
?

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>>380460970
you are delusional

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>>380461323
see pic for explanation
additionally, they replaced slash's garterbelt with regular pants

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>>380461323
Hunter was a character in Quake 3: Arena, she's not going to be in Quake Champions, most likely because of her visual appearance and the developers being worried about adding something that could be considered "problematic and adding to rape culture".

>>380461317
Probably the same reason CoD is so popular: It's simple.
In Quake there are a lot more interesting mechanics to play around with, and the level design and verticality is challenging for some retards.
In Doom and CoD you just walk and shoot in the general direction of the enemies.

>>380461852
>source: my ass
https://www.instagram.com/p/BU7y_NGhGhr/
bet you dont even play arena shooters you waifufaggot

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>>380455313
>Azure Agony
>see Shambler up on ledge
>"heh he can't get me from up there. I'll just take a few shots and"
>jumps down

>>380461663
>>380461852
>muh SJW conspiracy.
Piss off already.

>>380459445
level design AKA typical firing distance. If it had small spread like in Doom 4 or Quake 4, it would almost never ran out of effective range, making it OP as fuck
>>380459990
>need to be at melee range to kill an Imp
>"effective"

>>380455313
Are they? What difficult u played?
I played "Arcane Dimensions" mod and there was some enemies with this moves, but they were like upgraded black knights. Never seen something like that in original game.

>>380462376
the offer is still there if you think you have to be at melee range for it to be effective

>>380446738
Nah. Doom4 or duke3d

>>380462219
>literally 10 days ago on a Shitstaingram channel when I don't use it
well exCUSE me princess

anyway, assuming this does get past the public censor, this is great news

>>380460114
source ports. GZDoom for Doom 1/2, you can also use it to play Heretic and other games using Doom engine. ZDoom is very similar, but does not recieve updates anymore.
As for Quake, search for Ultimate Quake Patch, it also brings back soundtrack. It's normally not included, because it's not part of game files: original retail Quake ran it directly from game CD.

>>380462451
Normal difficulty, this was on the level Atrium of Hell
>>380462374
>muh muh

>>380462665
What is wrong with you?

>>380446494

>How is Quake's single player?
Bretty gud.

>Better than Doom?
Different.

>>380460114
GZDoom for Doom, Quakespasm for Quake.
Also, download Arcane Dimensions and be blown away.

>>380462976
What?

>>380463228
Those games are both shit compared to Quake, and you'd know that if you had ever played Quake.
Also, Duke3D isn't even a good game in the first place.

>that whole comparison of Quake, Serious Sam and Painkiller

They are all very different from each other, and they are all very good at what they do (I dont feel anything for Painkiller though, never got the right pacing with it, if feels slow and takes a lot of time for anything to escalate, I do like its creativity, and playing the sequels its easy to see that game being made the wrong way).

>>380463394
Duke3D SP is better than Quake although I prefer Quakeworld multiplayer.

>>380463549
no

>>380459990
you know spread in MP is halved? Did you even play SP?

>>380463593
yes

>>380463694
Glad you saw the error of your ways and that we could come to an agreement.

>>380463394
>Duke3D isn't even a good game in the first place
Spotted the casual that got rekt hard by the chaingun enemies.

>>380463787
nope
duke3D is the superior singleplayer game while quake is all about multiplayer aside from some of the mapsets like arcane dimensions

>>380463909
>someone who loves Quake
>ever finding Duke3D challenging
doubt.png

>>380464092
if you're so hardcore how about a duel?

>>380464223
No thank you.

>>380463909
>these oversized chimpouts with miniguns
>hard
you best be jest. Big and slow, easy kill. Pigcops if anything, and even them more annoying than actually dangerous.

>>380464317
I thought Quake players were hardcore though Duke3D is such a casual game after all.

>>380464770
True that.

>>380455280
LOOK like shit, not BE shit you cretin.

What did Strafe do wrong? Why did it fail?

>>380455679
>Also no Tank jr. because can't offend muh white nationalist shitlords
>no Xaero because muh pearlharbour
#groanzone

>>380465728
>>380465728
according to the review from pcgamer:
>Health terminals are too few and far between, armour purchases feel too expensive and surviving for long enough to unlock a new start point a few levels in is a tall order. The reality is that, procedural generation or not, you’re likely to see the first few map styles many times over, and given what an inherently one-note game this is, that gets old fast.
>Same goes for the weapons, which all look like they were bundled with pound shop knock-offs of Lego figures, and lack a sense of punch when they’re fired. I don’t care for the guns at all. Aping iconic weapons is hard when you can’t actually include their iconic sound and vision, I guess.
>Nothing quite clicks, visually, and the blend of low-poly models with smooth edges and texture filtering is lost in an awkward middleground between the iconic squares-everywhere aesthetic of Quake and the gloss of a modern shooter. It’s almost more 2001 than 1996.

Then the review says that Strafe is trying to be Carmack and Romero, but ends up being Poochie.