ITT: Games that are immune to remakes.

They should remake the gameplay to be survival horror

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>>380395151

>>380395389
Those are ports and remasters.

>>380395151
You first

>>380395151
Not immune to remasters though.

Gravity Rush
Okami
Nioh
Nier
OutRun 2
Panzer Dragoon Orta
Jet Set Radio
Chrono Trigger
Mafia 1
Super Mario World
Resident Evil 5
Tearaway
Ocarina of Time
Street Fighter Alpha 2

>>380395151
I don't think it's immune so much as it doesn't make sense to remake it when memelords will buy it every time Capcom ports it for as long as they're still around.

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>>380395151
What about games that don't really need a remake but are getting one anyways for some reason?

>>380396220
this is mostly a remaster not an entire new remake.

>>380396294
We don't really know enough to be certain either way. In any case it's seems kind of pointless to me when the PS3 remaster looks as good as it does.

>>380396220
Shadow of the Colossus had some real technical issues and could actually benefit from a remake.

>>380396294
a remaster would be reusing assets

i didn't see anything reused in the trailer

>>380395536
How do you remake RE4 anyways? It's mind boggling how anyone can remake it.

>>380396515
technically the PS3 wasn't a remaster. This PS4 version looks more a remaster with obviously updating and replacing textures, effects and making all areas again using the exact same ''mechanical'' drawing to avoid making something different.
>>380396810
During PS3 era all remasters (99%) had same assets.. they weren't technically remasters but there is not a better name to call them

>implying Capcom won't remake RE4 one day

>>380396515
First world problems. When a new console cames out, you will never bother to play the old one ever again.

Any game that uses cell shaded graphics.

>>380396997
Why put in the effort when they can just perpetually port it and keep making money?

>>380396997
No they wont. At best probably a RE3 remake.

>>380395151
MGS3

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>>380397231
>yfw they show RE2Make on TGS 2017 and PS4 timed exclusive

>>380397109
/thread

>>380396758
The PS3 version already fixed the most glaring technical issue, and the other two I can think of (LOD pop-in and a minor physics glitch introduced in the remaster) don't need an entirely new remake that'll probably fuck up more than it fixes.

>>380397416
>yfw REmake 2 runs at 4K/60fps on Xbox X & only 1280p like RE7 on the Pro

>>380397679
>not trusting Bluepoint to deliver Shadow of the Colossus in glorious 4K60fps

>>380396515
PS3 will be reaching its eol and Sony's not about conservation through emulation. We're lucky there are hobbyists developing PCSX2 and RPCS3; it's not a given.

>>380397772
1280p is ok to me. I use a 1080p 22'' inch monitor since 2013 and don't plan to upgrade in the next 4 years

>>380395151
No really, RE4 remake with Luis in Merc mode and HD cutscene for Ada route would make it even better.
More iron maiden would be cool too.

>>380397772
Don't forget silky smooth 24fps

>>380396959
Anon you have no idea what you're talking about, in modern game lingo "remaster" is just a fancy name for a port to a stronger platform and some form of improved visuals, be it a simple resolution boost with a few cleaned up textures like most or a more significant overhaul (which more often than not turns out pretty poorly) like FFX or Bam Ham.

Personally I'm of the "if ain't broke don't fix it" mindset. Clean up some glaringly bad textures, fix up poor background models, but don't fuck with the core artwork beyond presenting it at a higher resolution and framerate. Ironically the game responsible for the whole HD remaster meme, the God of War Collection, is still one of the best examples of remastering to date.

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>>380396220
>games that don't really need a remake

>>380395389
>Zeebo
U wot

>>380396220
maybe if they can get it to not run like dogshit this time they wont have to remake it again

>>380397840
Man I love Bluepoint's work but this is so far beyond anything they've done before. Ueda likely not being involved makes me worry even more. Don't misunderstand me anon I really hope it turns out good but I'm just worried that one of my favorite games ever could be bungled up and new players won't know any better.

>>380396003
>Nioh
Why would anyone want remake a knock-off in the first place?

>>380397109
Jet Set Radio HD was great.

>>380398049
That's not a remake. That's DLC
Speaking of which, capcom can DLCs for OG RE4 and they will sell.

>>380397840
We know what Pro can do, it's clearly gonna be 1800p/30fps at best, wouldn't be surprised if it's 1440p

>>380396959
We really need something to settle the remake/remaster terminology once and for all, as far as I understand a remaster is taking the same base game and improve the resolution/framerate its just an "better" port and a remake is redoing the game from the ground up.

The question that comes is redoing all the graphics but keep the same game counts as a remake or a remaster, or it is something else?

>>380398280
This image is definitely not cherrypicked in any way

>>380398338
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YH7M0K5FBk

>>380396003
>Mafia 1

If they gave it to a studio who isn't incompetent I'd be okay with this.

>>380398538
>capcom can DLCs for OG RE4
Is it even possble to make DLC for RE4?

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>>380398280
Nice cherrypicking
SOTC doesn't look that bad on PS2

& i doubt SOTC on PS4 will look that good outside of cutscenes, we saw gameplay & it doesn't have that much foliage

>>380398839
At that point just go with whatever the publisher calls it. If they want to call OoT 3D a remake, it's a remake. Same with SotC.

>>380395151
F-Zero games, apparently.

>>380398979
its the only RE people care about.

Morrowind desu

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>>380397109
Windwaker HD

>>380396003
>Chrono Trigger

>>380399147
windwaker hd honestly looks worse to me than wind waker with an hd texture pack on dolphin

probably the yellowish bloom on everything

>>380399050
>f-zero GX HD with online NEVER

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>>380395151
Which will release in its FULL form first, RE4 retexture project or Black Mesa with all chapters?

>>380399283
Yeah the bloom sucks. It was just an example of a cel shaded game getting remade.

>>380396220
It definitely does need a remake. I want the cut colossai.

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>>380399147
>new shading looks infinitely worse than just emulating the original in HD
>but the HD edition fixes the crappy Triforce quest and has a ton of other minor fixes
WHY DO THEY HAVE TO DO THIS TO ME WHY IS IT SO HARD TO JUST MAKE A DEFINITIVE VERSION SO I DON'T FEEL LIKE I'M LOSING OUT REGARDLESS OF WHICH ONE I PLAY

>>380396220
What, like the PS3 one?

It's silly that we are getting a SECOND HD version of this..

>>380399506
>he thinks they're going to put the effort into finishing the cut colossi
kek

>>380399573
It's a proper remake this time not a cheap remaster.

>>380399573
Remaster =/= remake, we've been over this already

>>380399030
>complains about cherrypicking
>cherrypicks the only decent looking area of the game

>>380399514
Yeah, it boils down to gameplay vs looks whenever I decided to replay WW. Although, the way the wind selection was changed was a completely retarded change.

>>380399725
>>380399746
>backwards compatibily is bad goyim, you don't want to play those old games
>buy our remasters/remakes though
what did Sony and their enablers mean by this?

>>380399634
Bluepoint and Japan studio does good work. I believe in them.

>>380396003
What is the point of an Outrun 2 remake when you can just make a new one? If you wanted tweaked rereleases you have choices from Outrun Arcade Online, Outrun 2006 Coast 2 Coast, Outrun 2 SP.

>>380400035
I'm the one pointing out how completely unnecessary the remake is you dumb console wars fag

>>380400154
It's hardly console warring.
They actually said this.
I legitimately want to know why PS4 users don't make a bigger stink about this, they literally say they don't want older games, then charge them 20-60$ for olders games.

https://www.destructoid.com/sony-exec-on-backward-compatibility-why-would-anybody-play-this--439968.phtml

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>>380399390

The RE4 texture project is amazing, those people are fucking insane.

>Yeah so we went to the actual location they got this wall texture from and took a ton of pictures then made the texture

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Capcom just hired the guys because that level of dedication is impressive.

>>380400068
But Bluepoint has done nothing but remasters and they never added cut content to the remasters they've done. By your logic the PS3 port of Ico and SotC should have all the cut content but they don't.

>>380400379
Hopefully Microsoft completely blowing the fuck out in this department makes them reconsider their tune. I mean, I don't there's anything inherently wrong with remasters if the game was held back by the hardware but if I still have my TLOU PS3 disc/download I should at least be getting that shiny 1080p60fps version at a discount.

>>380398523
>>380399147
>HD

Remasters not remakes

>>380400748
Because this is a remake and those were remasters. /ourguys/ at Japan studio will make SOTC what it was meant to be.

>>380400845
I know right? MS now will have BC going back to the original xbox
hopefully at some point you won't even have to own a 360 or huge to play the games anymore (obviously there will be holdovers, like fucking Capcom)

>>380400845
you are going to laugh your fucking ass off
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyo-06jkrDM
MS is even bringing back the fucking Duke

>>380401410
But Bluepoint is the one doing this and Team Ico is dead. Don't forget that Bluepoint is an American studio.

>>380396003
OoT got a remake on 3ds you fucking dumbass

>>380401610
>tfw the Duke is one of the most comfortable controllers I've ever held
Handlets need to fuck off

>>380396003
>Okami
You mean the game with the empty field, long boring sidequests and backtracking cannot have a remake? I wonder why.

>>380401851
Bluepoint +Japan studio.

>>380401981
>OoT 3D
>"remake"
Lol, no.

>>380398869
Beautiful

>>380402023
I'm laughing my fucking ass off here, holy shit, day one buy, i don't care if that sounds like shilling, I love the Duke, I got big American hands, and I can use this on my PC too.

>>380402371
Are you retarded? OOT 3D is a remake.

Onimusha ;_;

>>380402592
I mean, at least we have Nioh now

>>380402478
Nope. they took the N64 game then just dolled up the graphics. It's the exact same game. The fact that all the bugs and glitches from the original exist in 3D (and I do mean all of them) proves it's the same fucking game. I want you to prove to me how it isn't just a remaster.

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>>380395151
Is this the most meme weapon in the game? Out damaged by Killer7 until the exclusive, which doesn't even come till after you beat "it" and requires buying useless upgrades.

>>380403019
>not exclusively using the C96 like Hickok45

>>380403006
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Ocarina_of_Time_3D
>A remake of the 1998 Nintendo 64 title The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time,

>>380400845
I would love that, but Microsoft legit is low on big exclusives lately. They need their big guns and they need a few new ones as well. If they can bring the current games, more people will notice how nice backwards compatibility is. At least, all those people who don't sell their games for pennies at Gamestop the moment a new system comes out... I'll never understand doing that. It's not like you can even get enough money to eat from those shit deals.

>>380403485
>wikipedia
Not proof. I want actual proof that it's a remake. That quote you just posted doesn't even have a source you idiot. Prove it to me that it's not just a remake. I'm waiting.

>>380403485

Good work showing that lazy retard what's what

Metal Gear MGS games too I guess

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>>380403650
http://zelda.gamepedia.com/The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Ocarina_of_Time_3D#Changes_and_Additions

>>380404004
>MGS
Twin Snakes exists

>>380403574
I sold alot of my games a long time ago, not because of the money, but I thought I wouldn't play them again since my Hueg disappeared and the 360 didn't play many Huge games
>tfw found my xbox huge last year
>did everything possible to get it to run
>slowly rebuilding my xbox collection
mind you i didn't sell everything thankfully, and as a bonus, most xbox games are cheap as fuck, but i still kick myself in the ass for selling so many games as a youngster

>>380404004
Metal Gear is absolute trash that should be played only for novelty reasons and lore.

Metal Gear 2 however, that's some tight shit

>>380395389
>being this dumb

>>380404004
Twin snakes and the HD ports of 2, 3 and PW
unless you mean the LITERAL OG Metal Gear 1 & 2, in which case, it was only ported in that HD collection, not remastered or remade.

>>380404049
>take the game game
>pretty up the graphics
>change some stuff
>"remake"
No.

FF7 is a remake. Ratchet and Clank is a remake. Shadow of the Colossus is a remake. OoT 3D is not a remake. Taking the exact same game and making it looks nicer is not remaking it from the ground up on a brand new engine like with all the other games.

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>>380399147
>bloom

>>380403232
>Keeping a handgun in your inventory

Actually though a beat a tmp only run a month ago.

>>380404521
Beat it again with only the Minethrower faggot, I bet nobody can do that.

>>380398507
>Why would anyone want remake a knock-off in the first place?
confirmed for not having played the game, nioh is nothing like dark souls, its basically ninja gaiden+onimusha

>>380396220
I disagree. This game ran like shit and could benefit from better hardware. And better ground controls.

>>380404614
I mean it'd have to be new game plus, is that okay? Who'my kidding I don't wanna do an ammo conserving run ever again.

>>380404815
>This game ran like shit and could benefit from better hardware
It already did

>>380404412
All they are doing for shadow of the colossus is making it look nicer, exactly what they did with OoT 3D. Cant tell if bait or just dumb as fuck

>>380404412
They literally did make it from the ground up.

>>380405119
So then by that logic SotC is just a remaster as well.

>>380405425
You still haven't proved that.

>>380405524
You haven't prove that they didn't :^)

>>380403650
They did change the game. You have touch controls, gyro controls, the sheikah stone hints, the water temple changes, the boss rush mode, and more. REmake is essentially the "same game" as the original, with only "better graphics" and everyone calls it "REmake".

okay /v/ what is the difference between a:
>port
>remaster
>remake
>rehash

>>380405880
>>380406082
The back of the box even just says it's a remaster. Time to pack it up kiddies.

>>380406234
>port
same game (The Last of Us)
>remaster
same game but looks nicer (enhanced textures, character models, etc [Ocarina of Time 3D])
>remake
game is completely remade on an entirely new engine and no old assets are used in any capacity (Final Fantasy 7)

>>380406234
>Port
A game on this platform gets ported to another flatform. See RE4 on gamecube and ps2 to PC.
>Remaster
Update the graphic to current year, no or little change in gameplay. See Ducktales Remaster.
>Remake
Update the graphic to current year, change gameplay, add enemies, map, weapons, items, plot points. See REmake

>>380406234
>port
Putting a game on another system (i.e. Bayonetta 360 -> PS3)
>remaster
Fancy word for port, specifically when the game is being ported to a stronger system and has visual enhancements (i.e. The Last of Us PS3 -> PS4)
>remake
Completely new game that borrows elements from the original to varying degrees. (i.e. Twin Snakes where it's mostly the same game, REmake where it's very similar with some major changes, and FF7 where it's very different)
>rehash
Meme word for a new game that borrows heavily from a previous game in the series but is explicitly not a remake (i.e. Link Between Worlds)

>>380406424
>same game but looks nicer
The Last of Us also falls under that

>>380406962
this, but remakes can also just be graphics overhauls and minor gameplay tweaks

>>380406234
>port
Direct port of the game, higher res and framerate all DLC included, little changed from the original game. See: Dead Rising 1, Resident Evil 4, Bayonetta
>remaster
Game touched up to look prettier, can have entire engine reworked from the ground up, shinier and newer graphics as well as higher framerate and res, improved controls and content, often bundled with any sequels as a bonus
See: Gears Ultimate, Halo MCC, SOTC 2018
>remake
Complete rework of game, very little is the same as the original, see, FF7 remake or Hitman Contracts to Codename 47
>rehash
Taking a series and just pumping out sequels and spinoffs on a frequent (yearly) basis, see: call of duty, final fantasy, and if they dont slow down, the souls series.

>>380407537
Any examples? That's kind of what I was talking about with Twin Snakes.

>>380407636
Gears of War Ultimate
Literally the same game, but much better looking and better framerate

>>380406234
The literal meaning of "remaster" is getting your master copies of art etc assets and converting them into the game again, this time with better technology. So if a game has 1k textures but the master art file is actually 4k, taking that and recompressing it to 2k and releasing the game with 2k textures would be "remastering".
But thanks to marketing teams and their buzzwords, "remastering" as it's known in vidya can mean great many things. More often than not it means they messed with shaders and actually remade some textures from ground up, which are both outside the atual definition of a remaster.

>>380406424
>port
Bringing a game to another system (usually in the same generation), may have additional content or change graphics to suit the new system (Like RE4, Mario Land DX, Deadly premonition)

>remaster
Buzzword for a higher resolution port, usually doesn't have any changes aside from resolution, framerate or textures (Last of Us remaster, Shadow of the colossus remaster, Ratchet collection).

>remake
Redoing the game in a new engine may or nor use the original assets in some way but is usually made from the ground up, changes vary greatly (REmake, Pokemon HGSS)

>rehash
Sequel that mostly uses the same assets as the prior game (New super mario, Pokemon, Ratchet)

>>380396003
>nier
stop mentioning this shitty game with good games

>>380398495
>Ueda likely not being involved makes me worry even more.
he is so done with videogames, I doubt he wants to be in another proyect

>>380395151
Deus Ex

>>380407636
The new mario and luigi that was announced today. Black mesa on steam

>>380408802
Nier is a perfectly fine game.

>>380409493
>new
It's a remake of a GBA game.

>>380406234
>port
same game but on different platforms. crysis ported to consoles
>remaster
rerelease of the same game but improved graphics. HD versions of games.
>remake
Complete overhaul. No prev assets used. Everything is new. Build from the ground up with a different engine and art direction, probably different gameplay but same story same characters. Pokemon firered, heartgold etc those are remakes.
>rehash
modern use, its meme word to shitpost a series that uses same gameplay.
in old 8 bit times it seriously referred to new games that literally uses more that half the assets from the prev game and sell it off as a new game. this was extremely prevalent back then no joke, everyone falls for it because no internet and game mags are expensive to be educated about this.

let me add another one
>reboot
Like a remake but with different story. a complete reset of the franchise to cater to modern consumers. RTCW is a reboot and the first 3d fps wolfenstein.

>>380409742
yeah i know, I meant new as in a product releasing in current year

>>380399032
OoT 3D is a remake in every sense of the word as it uses completely new assets and a completely new engine. A remaster is a touch-up, a remake means actual work going into it.

>>380410149
>OoT 3D is a remake in every sense of the word as it uses completely new assets and a completely new engine.
"No."

Not even Nintendo consider it s remake. They specifically call it a remaster. You still haven't proved that it's anything other than a remaster yet.

>>380401610
You know the OG xbox controller port was just a modified usb. You could literally make it into a normal usb and use it on PC.

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>>380399147
>Remaking a cel shaded game with BLOOOOOM

Who the fuck thought this was a good idea? I hope it sold like absolute shit just to teach Nintendo a lesson on how fucking stupid this was.