This game wasn't even good.

Neither was 2, but drones gonna drone

hey that dosent mean prime 4 could be bad, odds are that it will be pretty good. they got prime 2 wrong, try again and go wrong again, changing directions maybe they got it right this time

>>380358312
This game was stunning my first playthrough

>>380358312
1st metroid prime was the only good one. I hope 4 doesnt have all the hand holding of 2 and 3

>>380358312
But it was. And I'm saying this as someone who played Prime 1 and the 2D Metroids.

you're right it was great

Hunters was objectively the best Metroid game.

>>380358312
It's not Retro this time, which is good, because no one wants to admit that 2 & 3 were not very good

prime 3 is fine

prime 2 is the shit one, who thought of ammo in a metroid game.

1 was excellent, 2 was good, 3 was dude we have motion controls now!
It was alright.

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>>380358312
Implying this place didn't have one of the best atmosphere in gaming history

>>380358702
>hand holding
>2

what

>>380358312
Yes it was, a bit worse than the first two but not much

>>380358416
>>380358892
ECHOES WAS GREAT TAKE THAT BACK AT ONCE

>>380358312

No, but Metroid fags are so perpetually thirsty that they'll spend their dying breath arguing otherwise.

>>380358892
>>380358416
>>380358557
how to spot a pleb instantly, disliking Prime 2

>>380358312
Well then I guess it's a good thing 4 isn't being made by the same people

>>380358312
and i counter your subjective opinion by saying it was good

>>380358312
I personally felt it was more of a "This game wasn't as good previous entries, but overall it's still quite solid."

>>380358312

It was good, but not brilliant. There's little replay value.

>>380358892
>who thought of ammo in a metroid game.
the very first metroid did you fucking moron

>>380358936
>atmosphere
hehe cuz it's in the sky

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>>380358312
>the game that gave us Nova Beam in conjunction with the X-Ray visor to pierce Metroid and Space Pirate brains with high frequency shots
>not good

Sure it wasn't as good as 1 and 2, but 3 is still a solid entry

>>380359361
metroid 1 did not have an ammo system, what on earth are you talking about

i'm not talking about missiles

>>380359508
>It doesn't count because I say so

>>380359508
*moves goalposts*
whatever you say sonyj@brony

Metroid was never meant for 3D.

>>380359607
>>380359676
???

are you a fucking moron?

>>380358824
/thread

>>380359714
shut up fag

>>380359714

Says the fag who's too dumb to read a single sentence tutorial

>>380358824
Who did 1 again?

Went back and played it years later without nostalgia goggles... still blows a lot of modern games out of the water

>>380358312
I liked what it did and did differently from other Metroid games. But I can see how someone could not enjoy it.

>>380360195
That was Retro too

>>380359508
>have primary and secondary weapon
>primary is weak but unlimited
>secondary is strong but limited
>mp2 has third time that is not as limited as secondary but stronger than primary

what exactly is the difference in how the weapons in mp2 work compared to missles?

>>380358312
It was good, though. Just not as good as the others.

Ultimately I find myself liking it a bit more when I notice the increased pace and stuff like all beams combining into one, which makes me think it was trying to be slightly more like the 2D games.

Although I admit that it could have been better. The ship visor was woefully underutilized and I feel like it wasn't clear enough what it could do and why I kept getting ship missile restores and expansions... they were because you can Air-to-surface missile a few open areas they don't tell you you can, most notably bigger enemies.

>>380361107
Beam stacking sucks.

I liked 3 more than 2.

The whole trilogy was excellent, though, OP is a faggot.

>>380358892
I found the beam ammo funny because it was pretty much a pointless system.

Shoot boxes and/or enemies with the beam opposite the one you want ammo for.

Also Dark Beam and Light Beam were LITERALLY just the plasma and ice beams, right down to freezing and immolating shit.

>>380358892
It wasn't even that bad, enemies crates exploded into ammo.

>>380358312
It was fun, but it wasn't nearly as good as the first two

>>380361458
It wasn't an issue when you were exploring, but when you were locked in a room and forced to fight a bunch of enemies it became important.

>>380361570
Most enemies were ammo pinatas

>>380361785

Bosses were not.

>>380359484
Also literally the only game I've ever seen with an escort mission where the escortee(s) managed to not be completely fucking helpless.

Metroid Prime 3 is mediocre. By far the worst Prime.

>>380358312
It was the Game that showed how motion controls should be used though. No bullshit that doesnt work like skyward sword

>>380361949
what? The federation escorts did nothing

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I enjoyed Other M more than Prime 3.

>>380362207
you're basically a faggot

I didn't see what the appeal of Prime was either. It was just a particularly shitty FPS with puzzles.

>>380358416
>Neither was 2
It was better than 1 though.

>>380361939
Power Beam and missiles exist.

>>380362074
>had very nearly zero issues with Skyward Sword's controls aside from that one harp section at the pumpkin shack
>everyone bitches about the controls

>>380362108
It's nearly impossible for them to die, and last time I played they took out one of the commandos and a couple other mooks.

2 > 1 >> 3

Still great game

>>380362392
Lmao no it wasn't

>>380362467

And if you want to do any amount of damage to bosses, you'll have to use either missiles or element beams. And during boss fights, both of those are in fairly limited supply.

I found Skyward Swords' controls completely unworkable. Metroid Prime 3 was smooth as butter.

>>380362543
Yeah. Just because it's the 3rd weakest of the Prime games doesn't mean it was bad.

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Rundas seemed like a cool character shame he got axed so quickly

>>380361939
every boss area contained some form of sub-enemy or crate you could use to regain ammo

POST GAME MUSIC

>>380362860
If you are lucky you have some enemies to pick off, which at least makes the action more exciting.

>>380362676
>Better bosses
>more interesting world
>harder
>keys aren't as annoying as chozo artifacts
But yeah beam ammo so I guess it's bad.

>It's not being made by Retro
We're all fucked

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>>380360586
Haha good job, you blew the guy the fuck out

I'm tired of metroid 'posters' not playing the damn games and using meme critiques.

>>380362897
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nMFLquJeCc

>>380363248
Wasn't it the case that most of the original team left after the first one anyhow though?

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>>380362994
honestly one of the biggest flaws of several bosses was that they dropped to much refills
pic related would have been so much better without the constant 100 health drops and it was a pure endurance battle between you and a huge fucking mech

I remember loving Prime 2 more than Prime 1

I also remember not having any issues at all with Ammo

I also remember dropping the game for a whole fucking week because of how bullshit Boost Guardian was

>>380363248
It's being made by a brand new team, same as Retro when they started working on Prime.

>>380363160

>>keys aren't as annoying as chozo artifacts
objectively incorrect
>11 artifacts scattered across the world, the majority of which you run into naturally on your regular path through the game
>3 keys per area + 9 keys to unlock the endgame, the majority of which you're blocked from accessing until the moment you need them.

Prime 2's backtracking was pretty abhorrent.

>>380363443
How hard did they nerf Boost Guardian in Trilogy? Because I don't remember having that much trouble with it.

>>380362897
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-tENhSkhOE&list=PL6akIKaXBeU1JiGPqBMN0e1eTwx5itFBh&index=37

>>380358312
I agree. We haven't gotten a good 3D Metroid since fucking 2004.

>>380363419

I've fought Quadraxis a few times without the Dark Suit and every time it was excellent. The health refills mean your health drains fast enough to keep you on your toes, while still making it reasonably possible to win if you continuously deal damage.

>>380363346
But I didnt critique anything brosef.

>>380363587
>wow man this backtracking in a metroid game is really bad
>why dont they do it like fusion or other m and make it linear?

>>380363826
>without the dark suit
The madman!

I'm still kinda bummed that even though we got a yin-yang beam, we never got a yin-yang suit.

>>380361190
Get fucked pleb

>>380363826
yeh but if you're going in with the dark suit and you've actually been collecting energy tanks you can just tank all it's hits and still win
sure it has that bigass laser that deals 2 energy tanks worth of damage if it hits but if you can actually refill them quickly it lessens the impact

Emperor Ing was much better in that regard, aside from his second phase being essentially a pinata, when that sucker hit you, it hurt

>>380363852
I was referring to >>380359508
which you btfo, that point was garbage and ammo obviously balances against overuse, but beam ammo is easier to get than missile ammo if you actually took the time to blow up some crates or fodder enemies.

prime 1's layout is faithful to the 2d games in that areas overlap but there's minimal repetition with mandatory backtracking. echoes' is tedious.

>>380361190
I'd love a hybrid system where you can dynamically stack beams but still have to switch between what beams you want to stack at what moment

>>380363879

I'm not criticizing backtracking, I'm criticizing Prime 2's weak-ass world design and how poorly it meshes with backtracking.

>>380364564
My bad then, I though you tried to be sarcasticly to the tripple max extreme from another dimension or some shit.

>>380363879
basically this >>380364617
In Prime 1 if you need to backtrack, you either have the opportunity to take a new route there or have some new powerup that completely changes the way you traverse those old areas. In Prime 2 it's a simple retread with very little changed, and you always have to take the long way there.

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>>380362897
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mziw3FQkZYg

>>380364718
eh it's not as bad as it seems given it's very frontloaded in it's bad world design
temple grounds are an obvious tutorial area, agon wastes suck aside from the space pirate parts but after that it starts to pick up

>>380364949
Prime 1 - linear but hid it well
Prime 2 - linear and wasn't afraid to admit it

>>380362207
Me too, anon.

>>380365278

git gud unless you're a palcuck

Prime 3 was at most "Good" because of a few simple reasons:

1. Samus isn't alone, there are multiple protags and Federation presence
2. There is fucking voice acting in a Metroid game.
3. Planet hopping was a gimmick.
4. Felt like a completely different studio tried to emulate Prime and Echoes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RWI3-8N_-Y

LETS DO THIS MOTHERFUCKERS

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>>380364976
>look up
>rain droplets on your visor
>lightning flashes
>see your eyes reflected in the visor from the inside
>mfw

>>380358312

Inadequate opinion. Printed out, and shredded.

It was worth a play through and a hard mode 100% run.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZX2N9_7NO8

>>380365417
it's not that bad given
1. they are on your side for 5 minutes, after that they become pretty cool boss battles
2. said voice acting is only present for a few setpiece action parts, when you're out exploring and puzzling it's absent
3. only bad thing about planet hopping is it takes longer to go from area to area

>>380365648
The level of TECHNOLOGY I experienced as a kid in Prime 1 was ridiculous

>>380365025
>first three worlds are two wastelands and a bog
Prime 2 did a lot right, but this dragged it down so hard.

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>>380359186
Prime 2 wasn't a bad game by any means, but it was vastly inferior to the first in just about every way. The ammo system, lack of weapon diversity and tacked-on multiplayer just didn't meet the expectations set by the original.

>>380366087
The bog wasn't bad, it was an obviously ruined area but it was still filled with life and interesting scenery and actually had plenty of variation

it was a good execution of a mediocre concept, same with the phenandra drifts (which at it's core is still a fucking ice world)

>>380365972

It's because of that the game feels lesser. They are elements that could have easily been left out and made the game that much better with no effort.

I don't buy that Prime 4 will be anything but Metroid Prime 3.5 or worse because of all the shit we got with Other M and Federation Force.

>>380366227
Combat in Prime 2 was far better than it was in Prime 1.

Not least because it didn't have anything as irritating as Beam Troopers or Chozo Ghosts.

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>>380358312
It seemed like it was trying to cash in on the Halo crowd by introducing "muh space marines" and more combat-oriented gameplay. However, I liked it a lot. The worst thing about it were the shitty Wii controls with no gamepad option. Aside from that, solid game.

>>380366227

Budget and time constraints were the problem. Keeping that in mind Echoes is kind of the game you forgive that stuff rather easily and appreciate the story.

>>380366464
>Chozo Ghosts
Fucking REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>380358702
literally what? neither of those games had handholding

>>380362108
The first time I played this, I got confused as to where I was supposed to go during the escort mission. While I was walking in circles, the troopers cleared the entire area.

>>380366450
the planet hopping allowed for fairly drastic environmental changes though and the various worlds of MP3 are all damn great

If theres one big problem I had with Metroid Prime 3 was that the hyper beam made the game too easy, but of course you could always choose not to use it.

>>380366464
>Combat in Prime 2 was far better than it was in Prime 1.
Not even close. Ammo ruined the flow of combat and there were practically only two beams. Also, there was nothing interesting like being able to freeze enemies and then blast them with a stream of lava. The missile + beam combos were insanely fun in MP1.

>>380358936
>SkyTown_Elysia


The inside bits of this level were some of the most creative and beautiful I've seen.

The beginning on the ship wasn't so good but after that the game was great.

>>380366968

>Also, there was nothing interesting like being able to freeze enemies and then blast them with a stream of lava.
How about freezing enemies and shooting a fucking sun at them?

Beam ammo is a total non-issue, there's an abundance of it during exploration from all the crates and all the scripted battles have little enemies to pick off for extra ammo.

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>>380358312
1 > 2 > 3

all are still excellent games

best theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fy51dlsuzzI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPOIX7g2kQE

>>380366968
>Dark Beam
>Annihilator beam

>>380366968
prime 2 beam combos were god damn amazing

you summon a bloody black hole ontop of your enemy that sucks everything in, how can you not love that?

>>380358312
Neither is 1 if you don't have nostalgia goggles

Played it 2 years ago and holy fuck.... never forced myself to finish a game like that in my life

>>380366968
>Ammo
Okay brainlet we get it you don't like the ammo. Not like it ever dips low to begin with.

>tfw you only ever ran out of ammo when you got into a black hole and sun spamming frenzy

>that spoopy section on the destroyed fed ship

When I was a kid, Hunters' opening blew my fucking mind that it was on that little tiny handheld. The actual game wasn't nearly as good, but the cutscenes were great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wJMs6Zqcxs

One thing I loved about the bosses was that, despite the fact that they were basically cut and paste bosses, the cutscenes made them all feel so different. At first Samus is wary of them, but with each following encounter in the cutscenes, she's more confident, more sure, and more badass, because even if it is ostensibly harder, she's still knows she's got the edge.

For folks who haven't played Hunters and won't because the online portion doesn't work anymore (the best part of the game), here it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmP2Vl9SHFI

Hunters had seriously some of the best presentation Samus has had in 3D.

>>380366531
>flash gun
>"shitty Wii controls"
Fuck you.
FUCK YOU.

FLASH GUN IS THE BEST WAY TO PLAY ANY GAME WITH FIRST OR THIRD PERSON SHOOTING.

>>380365648

I know that fucking feel. To quote a review headline whose source I don't remember: "It's like the best game from 10 years in the future fell through a timewarp."

>>380358312
It was good, just not a masterpiece like the 2 first one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfGsArRQjKE

This is literally the quintessential Prime Song

>>380366531
the motion controls were literally the best part. It was the kind of game the wiimote+nunchuck combo was practically designed for

>>380367352
>Okay brainlet we get it you don't like the ammo. Not like it ever dips low to begin with.
Right, so if it never "dips low", then it's a pointless mechanic. There was nothing wrong with infinite beam ammo, it was a pointless addition that only served to fragment the experience.

>>380367271
Because it's boring. Every attack is light or dark based, the beams in MP1 not only had elemental diversity and wildly different uses/effects, but also had crazy cool missile combos.

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>>380362746
>characters
>in a metroid game

>>380367865
>Every attack is light or dark based,
Dark and Light beams work pretty much the same as ice and plasma beams and the annihilator beam is way cooler than the wave beam.
Let me guess, you fell into the trap of just using dark on light enemies and light on dark enemies? Experiment a little, dark troopers get absolutely rekt by a charged dark beam blast.

>but also had crazy cool missile combos.
Prime 2's beam combos are far more impressive and far more practical too.

>>380367523
>>380367857
Uhg... motion manlets. If you want comfort, use a gamepad. If you want precision, you are never going to get better than a mouse. Motion is a fucking terrible gimmick and I'm glad the majority of humans moved on and learned how retarded it was. Go play fucking Quake 3 with your queer lightgun and tell me how well you do.

>be space pirate
>meet DARK enemies
>think to yourself that the best way to deal with DARK enemies is to create a DARK beam to overload them

How fucking retarded?

>>380367857
I was fine with shooting things, but fuck how much welding they made me do.

>The door is stuck
>YOU'D BETTER WELD THAT SHIT OPEN

>>380368268
TUBES
U
B
E
S

>>380368201
A mouse IS motion you mongoloid. There's literally no difference between aiming a wiimote, rested on your knee, at the TV, and moving a mouse on your thigh.

On A CONSOLE, the wiimote is so much more accurate with such a higher degree of reflex for aiming that it's ludicrous to me that anyone would still go for twin stick.

It's like people bitching about not being able to go above B in Splatoon when they turn off gyro. Like no shit. You're completely giving up on being able to move smoothly in curves or reflex aim.

>>380368456
T U B E S

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>>380368646
>A mouse IS motion you mongoloid
Holy fuck, you cannot possibly be this autistic.

A mouse is not a fucking motion device you retarded nigger. You have complete control over a mouse because you not only make precision movements but your hand is resting on a pad which gives you better accuracy. That's like saying that firing a sniper rifle while prone is "the same" as firing a sniper rifle while standing up and holding it. You cannot be this fucking stupid.

Like I said, go play a twitch shooter like Quake 3 with a fucking wiimote. You will get your ass fucked into the dirt.

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>>380369232
>A mouse is not a fucking motion device you retarded nigger.

Are you actually retarded?

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>>380369429
No, because I'm not the one saying a Wiimote is the same thing as a mouse.

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>>380369429
A mouse is a pointing device. A lightgun is a motion device. Learn the difference you potato.

>>380369660
>>380369853
I'm glad you guys use trackball mice

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>>380370035
Does an infrared mouse coordinate its movements with a light bar underneath it? No. Because it's not a fucking motion device. EVERY mouse is a pointing device because it detects two-dimensional motion that is relative to the surface it's being used on. That isn't how a fucking motion device like a lightgun works. You're embarrassing yourself.

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>>380362746

>other protags in a Metroid title

>>380358936
This. Absolutely my favorite location in any game to date.

>>380369232
Resting your mouse on a pad is not significantly different from resting your arm on your leg or the armrest of the chair while using the wiimote. Regardless, a mouse IS a fucking motion device. It is not a stick, it does not register tracking of something small and sublte embedded into a controller, it registers the motion of the device in relation to something else, whether that be a pad, table surface, or leg, by using an optical light which is moved by adjusting the position of your hand. The difference compared to a wiimote is fucking minimal other than the fact that, rather than tracking the differences in a surface, it's tracking the angle and positioning of the lights in your "sensor" (which is misnamed because the sensor is actually in the wiimote).

However, THAT WAS NEVER THE ARGUMENT IN THE FIRST PLACE, you fucking fishbrain. The argument was that the wiimote was an order of magnitude better a control scheme for a shooter than a stick is, because it has greater freedom of motion and angle tracking, and can make quick changes in direction without that dead zone in the middle.

>>380368268
Actually dark beam was created by the luminoth
the same geniusses that brought us the rocket powered elevator, the bug killing robot that can be controlled by bugs and the energy sucker with a reverse switch.
seriously, literally everyone in the MP games is some degree of mad scientist.

>>380358312
Good job, OP.

You baited everyone.

Tubes.