Gaming is dying. What would it take to save it?

getting rid of normies

Please dont save it
It deserves to burn

a new metroid
never ever

stagnate graphics for 10 years and focus on gameplay again

Good multiplayer games (see CoD, LoL, DotA, CSGO) are bigger than ever tho

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Gayman has been dying since 1986.

>>380321539
the death of /v/

>>380321539
If humans couldn't save Rome, they can't save videogames. Once a certain level of shit becomes accepted as the norm under the guise of "times are just changing!" "why are you so scared of change?" There's nothing anyone can do. Look at modern (mainstream) rock music. Same shit.

>>380321539
Metroid Prime 4 to be good

We have to sacrifice the chosen gamer by drowning him in ET copies at the dump of the first game.

>>380323096
This really.

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>>380323917

This. Everything that was once great goes on a downward spiral into nothingness, maybe to be found again hundreds of years later, but never truly the same and you will be long dead anyways.

If something was great in your lifetime and shows signs of total regression, you have to break it off your life so you don't get dragged down yourself, because life is too short to wait for something to hopefully make a turnaround. The chances are it won't be good again ever in your lifetime.

The fact is videogames will NEVER be the same unless the entire economy and cultural climate of western civilization changes. And that will NOT happen in your lifetime.

Keeping in mind sturgeon's law is always in effect and that with time the bad games and the forgettable games are (obviously) forgotten, how is gaming dying?

Half life 3

This was the least offensive e3 in years, you are probably too young to remember how awful previous years were

>>380321539
Cyberpunk 2077 needs to be good. The entire balance of AAA games is literally hanging on CDPR's shoulders.

You joyless fucks deserve to wallow in your self pity. This E3 brought me some LONG desired titles and I couldn't be happier
Eat shit you fuckers

>>380321539
Kill filthy casuals/women and sjw propaganda. Decent start

>>380325185
Name one.

>>380325064

Either you are a retard or you are just an underager who is falseflagging for damage control.

There were E3's that were awful, but I think this E3 was a new low.

>>380321539
>are video games dying?
No, stop posting this shit every E3

>>380325371
Monster Hunter on a non handheld
Metroid Prime 4

2 for 1

>>380322518
fpbp

This basically means getting rid of capitalism though because normies are more numerous and therefore there's more money to be made from pleasing them. Only by seizing the means of production for ourselves can we save vidya.

>>380325402
You're an idiot. Microsoft and ea had a good conference, showed off a few games that I wanted to get, and the xbox one x blows ps4 pro out of the water

>A year filled with good game releases already with more on before year's end

What exactly about gaming is dying?

>>380325481
They are though. When will the perpetual dumbing down of games stop? When can we get real quality technical games again? Why do we have to cater to filthy fucking casuals. I'm sick of this pandering shit.

Kill all 80s-early 90s nostalgiafaggots in the business

>>380325016
This. HL2 and 1 pushed players expectation in following games by a good amount. Some things are still more or less unmatched. For example the face animation system.

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>>380325185

>Wow I sure do love paying for shitty sequels and reboots of things that were created generations ago, the videogame industry sure is fresh and exciting these days! I love playing my 1 or 2 flavor of the month titles every year!

>Stop being so pessimistic anon! Videogames are great and you are just a salty neckbeard that can't enjoy anything!

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>>380325371
A Way Out
Shadow of the Colossus Remake
Crackdown 3
Metroid 2 for 3DS
Kingdom Hearts 3
Ooblets
BG&E2
Mount and Blade 2
XCOM 2 expansion
Metro 3
Blade Strangers

>>380325943
Fuck off. The answer is to stop filthy casuals and women from destroying the industry. Idgaf if you people disagree, we have been seeing this trend for the last 15 yrs.

>>380326219
Which part of those games was a shitty sequel and/or reboot?

>>380325889
>When can we get real quality technical games again?

Such as?

>>380325185
Your shitpost does have a point. It isn't Gaymen that is dying but YOU that is dying. You've seen it all and there's nothing more to give. You've become jaded and bitter with expectations so high that they can never ever be met in the real world. That delusional "perfect game" in your head tailored to your specific wants and needs will never be made. Minecraft and COD to a kids virgin eyes will still be the most amazing thing ever and you will never experience that joy of playing something for the first time ever again. Either accept it and stop complaining or give it up/grow up.

>>380321539
Making your own game that you want to see?
I mean how is gaming dying to you, is it too casual, too much of a business?

>>380325185
This. Gaming is just a fucking hobby. Anyone whose life revolves around gaming deserves to suffer.

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>>380326318

All these fucking games have been done to death, either from being sequels or they are derivative of other titles already released.

Nobody asked for Shadow of the Colossus, if you want to play it so bad just buy the fucking HD re-release or go emulate it.

Crackdown was NEVER good, the first was a fun little side game that people bought for the Halo 3 Beta and Crackdown 2 was a massive failure.

BG&E2 is a fucking multiplayer PREQUEL to a game that needed a fucking SEQUEL for it's goddamn cliffhanger. Go fuck yourself.

Mount and Blade 2 is the only thing PC fags are clinging on to these days, and even then it's an extremely niche game that looks too similar to the original.

Metro 3 looks like the exact same shit.

Seriously, /v/ is dead because it's been invaded by these no-taste underagers that haven't already experienced all this shit before.

>>380326354
So your entire life then?

>>380326868
I'm 29 years old and gaming brings me a ton of joy and relief in my day to day life.

Then again, I guess I'm fairly easy to please. All I need is one good game announcement, like MHW, to make me happy for the entire day.

Don't think I've been so happy about a game for a long time.

>>380325709
>EA had a good conference

Now I know you are really baiting because even normies and redditors who actually liked this E3 said that was the worst conference.

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>>380321539
one of two things
either
Everyone stops buying shit games
or and more realistically
A game so good literally nobody plays anything else for an entire quarter

>>380321539
kill ea

Strange, pc is alive and well. Open world games, procedural generation, mobas, battle royals, indie studios getting more recognition than ever, prices of games going down despite inflation, so many games at your fingertips, emulation for tons of consoles readily available, and way more.

Fuck, I remember back 15 years ago I would play 1 game on PC for months. Now it seems like there's a sick new title that I want to play every week. Yet these games have way more content than the AAA shit released back then.

>>380321539
Stop playing the same games every day, you'll become desensitized too them. This is how it is with all things, you eat too much chocolate you start hating chocolate, you train too much, you become bored of training. You play the same bullshit every day and you are gonna start sitting there going "Sniff... sniff, quake was an amazing series, how come its dead?"

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>>380327518


>Open world games, procedural generation, mobas, battle royals, indie studios getting more recognition than ever

Please be bait because this is ultimate dogshit taste. All these things is the exact reason why PC gaming is dead and shit.

You fuckers are getting really good at subtle bait or /v/ really has totally fallen into the shitter.

>>380321539
>GAMING IS DYING BECAUSE HURR DURRRRRRR

fuck you retards why do i even come here anymore besides the rare occasion i learn something i already didn't know.

>>380327001
Fuck you filthy fucking normie piece of shit. Because of that mentality , we are getting shit after shit game because developers have a hard on for your demographic(filthy fucking casual)

>>380327002
>>380324889
>>380327923
>>380327954
No posts ITT have been truer. RIP /v/. You had a good run.

>>380327518
>>380327690
>>380327264
t. has only started browsing /v/ 2 months ago
Fucking wake up sheeple. We were right.

>>380328073
You might think it's shit but most people don't. Not every game is targeted towards you. Get over it.

>>380328102
Sorry that I don't conform to your ideals of what a /v/ goer goes to, chucklefuck.

>>380328073
Ignore him, bro. We're just as mad as you are. Gaming is dead, and the normies and SJWs killed it.

F

>>380328260
2017 has been the worst year in gaming history, this is fucking backed by official proof. Fuck off filthy casual.

>>380327923
>I don't like new things cause they're different waaaaaahhh

If /v/ existed in the 90s you would call 3D and analog controls dog shit taste.

>>380328431
Good bait, i actually laughed

>>380328340
>>380328518
Fuck off normie. Back to fucking reddit you filthy casual and get off our hobby. 2017 was literally nothing but cringe and reddit garbage.

>>380328629
>cringe
>tells other people to go to reddit
Please, please fuck off.

Normies have destroyed gaming, and unless the opinions of the masses shift, gaming will never have another golden age

>>380328431
>Persona 5
>Nier Automata
>Nioh
>RE7
>Mario Odyssey
>Sonic Mania
>Gravity Rush 2
Yeah sure seems dead to me.

>>380323096
Remember when he wasn't a greedy fat piece of shit?

Me either

>>380328629
>2017
>was

Is your calendar based on Chinese new year or something?

And you sound like a newfag just regurgitating memes you see scattered around /v/. Maybe you should be original for once, kid.

>>380327264
You probably just haven't OD'ed on games or made them the only thing in your life like some people here do. If you play 8+ hours everyday or went through a WoW like addiction phase then it's possible you'd just become bitter simply from too much exposure. The bad things stick out more than the good and it escalates from there. It's a bit like the 1000+ hour steam reviewer that now says the game is bad because they've overdone it and should've stopped playing long ago.

>>380321539
Gaben could save it if he got off his fucking ass.

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I think people are just in TOTAL denial that this entire console generation has been a massive failure of planning and not only that, but has been inherited by one of the worst generation of artists and creators Western Civilization has ever seen. These hipster glasses dye-haired fucks that were never given the technical tools to even CONCEIVE what true talent even is, they spend more time in fucking coffee shops than actually honing their craft.

I have never seen such a massive lack of talent in almost everything before, there are a few things released now and again that spark a little bit of hope in humanity, but for the most part it's a spark in a ocean of dirt.

Even the new generation of Japanese artists and programmers are succumbing to mediocrity and lack the dedication and taste to match their predecessors.

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>>380327002
SotC remake could potentially add in the cut colossi, something everyone's wanted since the game launched.
Crackdown was already fun but now they're adding in Red Faction Guerilla style building destruction, something sorely missing from the industry. If you love innovation so much, shouldn't you be praising such a feature?
BG&E2's multiplayer aspects are still unclear. It will probably be single-player focused though. And I don't care about the cliffhanger since I can stomach not knowing. Mystery is fun sometimes.
The Mount and Blade series has millions of sales according to Steamspy, so perhaps it's not as niche as you think. They only showed off the combat, what they do to the rest of the game is the important part. If you played the game you might know that.
Metro 3 is open world now, I think that makes a difference. It's looking like a AAA Stalker.

ignored titles: Blade Strangers, Metroid 2, KH3, Ooblets, XCOM2 expansion, and A Way Out. Couldn't think of some quip so you just go "yeah but, well, no story is *truly* original, right?" I bet you're the type of person who automatically hates games that don't use a standard controller. There are also ~20 other upcoming games not shown at E3 that I am looking forward too. If you want to break my stride with your epic cynicism you'll have to try harder than that.

>>380325738
>good game releases
>good

Want to know how I know you're a newfag?

>>380329329
I have, though. It comes and goes. A lot of what I see doesn't interest me and barely registers my attention, but every once in a while some game comes up that really perks me up and gets me excited. Recently I've had Wipeout Omega to do that, before that the Vanquish rerelease. Before that Breath of the Wild. Before that Hollow Knight. I think that the amount of amazing, fun, exciting games out there is as good as it ever was, but the amount of games overall is much, much higher, so it's easier to just look at all these Games That I Don't Care About (tm) and get negative and pissy about it.

When you stop and look at the games that did interest you, you feel a lot better.

>>380329382
Gaben is a businessman who hasn't really had a hand in a game since Half-Life 2. Even if he wanted to work on a game, he's getting older and has had ongoing health problems that would get in the way.

>>380328920
Of course there have been great games that have come out.

But the fucking point I am trying to get across is that casuals and fucking normies have shifted the mind set of developers to the point where all they are worried about is reaching the lowest common denominator and that focus has ruined gaming over all.

>>380321539
It's not dying it's more popular than ever it's just harder to sift through all the brochad tier mass audience garbage to find what you like.

>>380322845
have I got some news for you anon.

>>380327923
What's the problem with open world games?

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some good games

>>380329445
Well said anon. But redditors here still convinced that 2017 is a good year for gaming. It makes me wanna fucking puke.

>>380329586
He's a redditors, what did you expect?

>>380329727
>>380329329
t. redditors in denial

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>>380321539
Its honestly quite amazing the stark contrast between Xbros and Sonybros and Nintenbros. On one side Xbros and Sonybros are saying gaming is dying, on the other side Nintenbros are happier than ever,

>>380328431
This. Normie/casuals/wimminz has fucking ruined gaming. It's a fucking cancer that needs to be annihilated. These fuckers don't deserve to play vidya with their sub 70 IQs and cancerous political agendas.

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EA, Activision, and Valve all have the most influence over gaming. It is their machinations that drive gaming further and further into the shitter.
EA releases new and innovative ways to fuck the consumer while the consumer smiles and pays more than ever before for a video game experience
Activision releases extremely polished AAA titles that are ultimately just safe copies of games that already did everything Activision's versions did. They only further cement the status quo of gaming
Valve has gone from video game developer to Jewmaster supreme. Rather than producing any meaningful content, they have developed a platform that allows them to skim off the top of the success of other developers; while also promoting the screwing of consumers with such amazing ideas like Early Access paid releases

Those are just publishers; lets not get started on the consoles

I am still awaiting a response
>>380324934

>games are more popular than ever
>no need to rely on AAA anymore
>No matter what you like there is some dev pandering to exactly what you want
>"but video games are dead!"

Seems like a personal problem to me. How about you try different hobby, lil buddy

>>380329506

Wow a new colossi, never mind that justifies buying the game all over again.

Crackdown's building destruction doesn't really look nearly as cool and weighty as RFGs, and I am not going to say a game is exciting just because of a physics engine. The difference is RFG based their gameplay mechanics AROUND the physics system, Crackdown 3 looks like the same game, not having a destruction engine isnt the reason why Crackdown wasn't anything more than a watered down Hulk Ultimate Destruction with guns.

>I don't care about the cliffhanger
Well then you are a faggot, I doubt you even played the first game. That's like saying you don't care about the cliffhanger in half-life 2 episode 2.

Mount and Blade is just mount and blade, it's there for people who like it but its not redeeming the industry or the entirety of PC gaming.

WOW more open world TRASH. Stalker being open world didn't make it good either. In fact it took mods to turn Stalker into being an actually good game.

I never heard of blade strangers. Metroid 2 is just a remake. KH3 should have come out years ago. Who the fuck cares about ooblets, Xcom expansion wow who gives a shit. A Way Out looks like cinematic Last of Us dogshit.

>>380329445
(You) = Giant brain, capable of seeing through the lie that is the artificial fun that is the gaming industry of 2017. Also with with omniscient knowledge regarding who most of the game devs in the industry are and what they look like

Me = Microscopic brain, incapable of not enjoying good games because they're being made by hipster glasses dye haired fucks

I sure wish i was as smart as you, anon.

>>380331214
>>No matter what you like there is some dev pandering to exactly what you want
Now that I think about it this is true
Maybe these people should just outright ask for recommendations? Tell us what you like and we can help y'all.

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>leave gaming to me

Also Eastern Europe but I'm too lazy to crop it in

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>>380331110
the saddest part is they not only ruined gaming they also stole gaming from us just to throw it in the trash after. these types play games nowhere near as much as us, they told us they didn't like the casts of our games, and when the product changed they gave it a passing glance of approval all for what.

there was a golden age of gaming and it is already over. pyramids will never be made the same, games will never be made the same.

h o w t h i n g s a r e

>>380321539
You changing your attitude.

>>380321539
better accommodation for indies. Paying for a devkit puts a lot of people off making stuff for the platform. With this means less strict rules regarding to homebrew.

>>380331470
shit: the post

gj anon

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RTS needs to not be completely dead as a genre.

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>>380330712

Nintendo fans are literally pleased by ANY fan service you throw at them. They have been swallowing cock from Miyamoto's same franchises every goddamn year. They are extremely angry if they don't see the 10th sequel to their favorite IP.

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>Buying/Playing modern diverse multi-"we wuz kangz"-culti games
>Not emulating older games and keeping an eye out for those rare modern gems

Most western games are pure trash. There are hundreds of good old games you probably never played. Also if you want modern games, stick to triple-A jap/slav and small indie studios. Yes, it's a pain in the ass that you need to search for good games these days, but hey, times could be worse.

>>380331703
>there was a golden age of gaming and it is already over. pyramids will never be made the same, games will never be made the same.

What's was this so called "Golden age"? When you were 5 years old getting an N64 for Christmas?

>>380331637

The japs have been regressing too. There are a few studios who hold the torch of japanese quality that used to exist, but japs aren't much better than western devs at this point.

>>380331703
Sad but true. We are letting normies and fucking filthy casuals determine the course gaming should take and it's fucking unacceptable. There needs to be a paradigm shift of the highest magnitude to remove this cancer from gaming.

Gamergate was just the scouting run.

>>380332440
>Emulating
>not playing on official consoles with flash cart / modchip
/vr/ would like to have a word with you

>>380321539
The number of good games that have already been made are in the hundreds if not thousands. I guarantee you have only played a fraction of them. Look up some old games you haven't played and might be interested in and play them. Stop waiting for new shit to come out. It's all going to be garbage from here on out. Stop wasting your time whining about the current state of gaming and go enjoy the good games that already exist. The only people that care about AAA garbage are underage kids that were introduced to games in the 7th gen and can't stand anything with "bad graphics".

>>380332440
I like how the first thing you criticize with modern western games isn't their quality, but the fact that they "endorse multi culturalism". The state of this board is fucking pathetic.

>>380328102
Haha fell for my bait :^)
Don't you know faggot, v is falseflagging falseflaggers falseflag

>>380332556
>>380331703
>>380331450
>>380331110
>all this universal agreement
This is literally the only good thread in /v/. Enjoy while it lasts. RIP /v/. Unironically celebrating the worst year in gaming history.

>>380332492
Fuck off redditor. Stop taking our thread.

>>380321539
Gaming isn't dying, anon. We're just getting older. The games that amazed us when we were children amazed us because we were children, not because they were amazing.

Developers of games have almost always marketed with children in mind because they are the largest market for such a thing.

Video games aren't getting worse anon, they just aren't appealing to us as adults anymore. They don't live up to our standards because they are made for today's children.

Take Fallout 4 for example. Let's compare it to Fallout 2, because that was a game I loved as a kid.

Fallout 2 was a good game to me because I liked being able to create and play as someone else, and that person could be whoever I wanted. I wasn't good at the game, but that didn't matter because I was having fun. There was no crafting weapons, no settlement building, and no mass looting everything that moved. You were in a world that could be explored and it was amazing.

Now lets look at Fallout 4. The story is weak, the motivation is weak, and the game world is weak. What do you do in Fallout 4? You go to a location under some pretense like "kill this thing, acquire this item, come back and get a reward", so you go there, kill all the enemies, loot all the corpses, and get your reward. It's menial, and it has no impact on the game other than increasing your caps, but kids love it because they don't need substance or nuance; they just want to feel accomplished, and if a character in the game says "WOW good JOB Supreme Paladin General Whisper Shadow Director, here's your 500 caps!" they're alright with it. That's amazing to them.

But it's not amazing to us, because we're older. We expect more from games. We expect games that are rated for adults to appeal to adults, and when they don't we are (rightly) disappointed.

Gaming isn't dying. On the contrary, gaming is stronger today than it's ever been. It's just that AAA titles are being made with kids in mind, and we aren't kids anymore.

>>380321539
Another video game crash, it would be the absolute best thing to happen.

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>>380332440

I used to have the same mentality as you, but now I am finally getting fed up with only playing old shit. But I can't just trick my own taste into playing modern games and pretend like I am enjoying most of them. I don't want to be one of those fags who says only the old stuff is good, but it's so hard when it's pretty much true. I got to find a hobby where the quality exists today, in the now, so I don't have to be "that guy" who only looks to the past.

>>380330451

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>>380321539

>wwaaaaahhhhhh e3 was so shit!!! why wasn't it good like the years before!!!!

it's the same shit year in and year out, e3 has almost always been garbage and if you're just now thinking it's gone to shit you're either an underage faggot or an idiot

either way do everyone a favor, kill yourself, no one cares about your hyperbole

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A revitalization of local multiplayer.

>>380333370
That's why I want to make games. I want modern games that are actually fun to play, but that seems too hard to do at this day in age

>>380332950
I can deal with low quality games. In essence, they are still games. However, I can't deal with the fact that games are being used as political soapboxes these days. Fuck multi cultural propaganda being shoved into the medium.

>>380333370
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying "old > new", the point was more towards the fact that there are still a ton of good old games that most of us haven't played yet. A lot of old games were shit as well. I play or replay mostly old games until something modern comes along that I like. I replayed WC3 so many times that I could recite most of the dialogue from the cut-scenes.

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>>380321539
In your heart you know that he was right

>>380331450
>Wow a new colossi, never mind that justifies buying the game all over again.
I bought the game over ten years ago. I can stomach paying for it again if they really improve it.
>I doubt you even played the first game.
Oh no! You got me, I did not finish the first game because the stealth and the combat were just awful. Modern Ubisoft will probably botch these things, but hey man it looks neato. About it being a prequel: I don't care about the cliffhanger of HL2. When time passes for things like this, I accept the ending being incomplete. See these video games don't exactly have very thoughtful stories so I can just make up an ending. HL3: "You fight the Combine and win, so they just fuck off to their ten million other planets. There's a bitter moment when win where you see the expanse of their empire and know that if you will never have the chance to fight for their freedom and that the combine will always be on top, but at least Earth is safe forever." Beyond Good and Evil had a very cool setting and I would rather they go nuts and explore it rather than try to rehash the same familiar characters and towns. Wait hold on I thought you hated sequels?
>I never heard of Blade Strangers
Why would you type this out. Are you not on a computer? Just search engine it.
>KH3 should have come out years ago
Okay?
>Who cares about Ooblets
What about me?
>XCOM expansion who gives a shit
Could it be-- I? Your way speech is very trite. Popular games don't count, because uh, whatever man. "How could someone else possibly like something I do not?"
>A Way Out looks like cinematic Last of Us dogshit.
Honest question: Have you actually played The Last of Us or Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons? I'm prepared to drop A Way Out if the mechanics are all built around QTEs but so far I am interested.

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>>380332492
-daggerfall
-Morrowind
-gothic
-fable 1
-vanilla wow
-diablo


no that was probably you little faggot pls come here so i can shove you into a trashcan

>>380334207
The only game that I've seen that came out recnetly that had a "political soap box" that ended up screwing it over was Mafia 3. Unless you consider the inclusion of black/female soldiers in BF1 political soap boxing too, in which case I don't know what to tell you.

>>380333238
>our thread
>you must be from plebbit
>we gaymerz huh

You underage, mentally unstable fuckers are what make this place fun to browse. Go and post some vitriol in a console war thread, it will make you feel better.

>>380332440
I've thought that 13 years ago and have since played almost everything old that's worthwhile and have reached a dead end. Where do I go from here then?

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>>380334378

>fable 1
>good

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>>380333267

I really think this is an ignorant and stupid way at looking at things. This is not really an objective viewpoint at all, and it's not based on truth either.

Videogames were never developed for just kids, in fact almost for as long as videogames have existed there have been adult consumers. It's truth that there was the stigma that videogames were only just for children for as long as the 80s and early 90s, but developers themselves were consumers of videogames and developed for people their age who also consumed videogames because they knew people like them were out there.

The biggest mistake here is you assume that developers back then only cared about appealing to markets and age demographics. You are wrong, the reason why games back then were so good was because they didn't give a fuck. Shit, even the fucking kiddie games back then were sometimes hard as balls and forced you to actually use your brain once in a while.

Developers didn't GIVE a fuck back then, because back then developers had more independence from the production companies that funded them. The truth is the producers control EVERYTHING now, creatively and otherwise. Which is why every game today plays it as safe as possible in order to get the maximum amount of sales.

This actually goes on in everything these days, not just vidya.

>>380334378
Can I shove a reddit casual into the trashcan next!?

>>380333370
Just glad there is universal agreement in the true /v/ (AKA not reddit) that gaming is dead. 2017 was the final nail in the coffin.

>>380333267
Name us 5 good upcoming games. You can't.

>>380333847
>>380334462
>>380333646
t. womyn/casual

This is our fucking thread. Not yours, reddit. This is the thread for disillusioned, redpilled gamers.

>>380334207
>until something modern comes along that I like
Where does that exist? There literally is nothing.

>>380333267
>not because they were amazing.
Bullshit. I've played games 20+ years old the last few years that I never got around to before, and they are just as amazing as they would have been if I played them before.

>>380334462
>haha im on here 24/7 cause its so funny to watch you nolifers spergout: the post

we see like 300 of these a day, do any of you have self awareness?

>>380334598
i'm trying to defend older gaming in general this isn't the time to shit on opinions, all of /v/ should be looking at how to deal with this shit

>>380334378
>those games
>good
lmao

>>380335224
How do we deal with filthy casuals, you people are failing to address my points.

>>380334897
>Name us 5 good upcoming games.
How can I know if a game is good or not if it is not out yet? Either way,
>Barkley 2
>Iconoclasts
>Spire
>A Hat in Time
>Truckheck
>Sonic Utopia
>Burrito Galaxy 65
>Spooky Poo's Happy Hell
>Heart Forth, Alicia
>Indivisible
>Wonder Boy The Dragon's Trap
>Perfect Stride

>>380333287
this desu

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Embrace competition and openness in order to drive continual advancement instead of stagnation.

>>380335359 should we just let them tire themselves out? like leave them alone or would that just cast a never ending loop of one month dev cycle pre orderable games that never exceed a score of 5?
we could just stop buying games but how much would that do even if all of /v/ participated?

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I'm not even blaming most of the studios.
Why would you take the financial risks and put in all the work, that say, a studio like CD Projekt Red does, when the majority of your consumer base will not complain when you cut more and more pieces off of your work while making them pay extra for it.

The only bright thing right now is that a YouTube channel like Crowbcat is getting tens of millions of views. Those are numbers publishers can't ignore anymore and its the only way to establish a more rigorous general way of looking at consumer rights for video games.

I just hoped as more gamers got older there would be more games marketed at adults.

>>380334454
It's the whole mentality of the industry that shifted from making good games, to making mediocre ones and then market them using tricks. You are seriously going to tell me that the propaganda machine of EA and Blizzard isn't focused on liberal shit like diversity and equality? Shit, Valve has given up on games and are milking Steam and Dota for money. Good luck with another original IP like Portal, or heaven forbid, Half Life 3.

>>380334532
>>380334897
You guys just have to spend some extra time and effort on searching for games that you might enjoy. Get a bit creative and search for games that aren't listed on Steam.

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>>380334626

I tried learning a programming language and realized I was a brainlet when it comes to that stuff. The barrier for being a videogame creator is just so high for certain types of people. I am a brainlet but I have the taste that prevents me from being optimistic in this current industry.

I think it would be better to just quit vidya and get into other things.

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>>380334897
>redpilled gamers
The autism actually runs this deep, folks.

>>380335840
No, anon, in the end of the day, it's all about making money. I don't believe that any company out there is working on ideals, and if they do decide to change the skin tone of their protagonists, they're not doing it to fucking make your crush want to fuck tyrone, they're doing it because they think it'll bring in more money. It probably won't, and then they'll go back to doing the shit that they did before.

>>380336129
>I am a brainlet but I have the taste that prevents me from being optimistic
I think you should reconsider what you're typing here but you probably would not understand

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>>380321539

>make them fun again

>ban /pol/ and /reddit/ from /v/

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>>380336142
>if i pull out the autism meme i win!

tell me anon would you consider it a top tier strategy?

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>>380334897
>This is our fucking thread. Not yours, reddit. This is the thread for disillusioned, redpilled gamers.

>>380336129
Which language did you start with?

I highly advice you to start out with Game Maker.
Learning GML is like learning grammar before learning how to speak.

You can always move on to the big-boys engines like Unity and Unreal later on. Unlike what a lot of people say, those are not beginner friendly at all.

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>>380327002
>hating on mountain blade and metro because they look the same as the original games
>even though the original games are fucking amazing
>even though bannerlord has a SHIT TON of new features compared to warband
>metro looks like the exact same shit
>we know nothing about it
how about you slit your wrists you faggot. this was a bad e3 but not because of the games youre shitting on you fucking shitter

>>380336536
post a photo of yourself anon lets see how hot you are.

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>>380336325

You can be shitty at math and logic and still have a sense of taste. In fact I find most math nerds to have fucking awful taste, which is why so many indie games are shit.

>>380321539
Gaming is not dying, I wish this board was filtered into age ranges, teenagers fucking suck.

mods pinning the odyssey theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9r5hx47kxM
please do it hiroshimoot

>>380336232
Then we are on the same page. I agree that the companies don't give a shit about real life faggots and feminist, it boils down to the cold cash. I just hope this fad passes soon and we get to an age where studios will risk a bit more with new IPs. I have my doubts, but a man can dream.

>>380336654

I started with gamemaker tutorials and my progress was so slow that I got too impatient and bored because I wanted to get straight into the creative process without dealing with how long it takes to get decent enough at coding.

I would follow these tutorials step by step and somehow still fuck something up and not understand what I did wrong or I would try to create something by myself and have literally no idea how to do a certain thing.

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>>380336429
Nice white flag, faggot

>>380337065
Alternatively, I hope that people here can show some thicker skin and stop complaining about every single black and/or female protagonist that shows up in these games. It's really getting tiring.

A nuke in san francisco and new york

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>>380336232
One very important reason is that creative people tend to stand further on something which psychiatrists call the "openess" scale. They're generally, for a lack of a better word, softer and more empathic to other people. This means they are far more likely to have a leftist political viewpoint. (Conservatises are generally less good at creating new things, but far superior in maintaining them)

Combine this with the fact that for the last 25 year African Americans, while only being 13% of the US population, have had a very significant influence on our modern culture. Music, street culture, fashion, you name it. Blacks are generally seen as more laid back and with a better sense of humor.

Yet they're also still a minority and a lot of them are living in impoverished environments (so do a lot of white Americans but that's not my point right now).
This gives a lot of leftists the idea that they have to "protect" this minority by also giving them a role in their medium. They think they're doing everyone a favor, and they might for some people.

Video games protaganist and the majority of its casts has been white men, because the people making and buying them were white men. Most people (me included) don't mind a diverse cast of characters from different cultures and races. It only becomes an issue when people notice characters from different races are pushed so hard for good boy points in the majority of their games without any good reasons (BF1 and the African American German soldiers) that they start complaining about it.

This gives a lot of game devs the idea that there is still a lot of racism out there and so they start pushing it even harder to "protect" the minorities. You end in a circle, until you arrive at this years E3 where the majority of AAA feature these characters. Whether some do serve a story or marketing purpose I will leave in the middle for you to decide per individual game.

>>380321539
Is there any franchise or video game series that all of your past present and future games are always Rated E for Everyone on the ESRB?


Is that I only play video games for all ages and all audiences


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMguSriiu3U

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i dont really come to this board much anymore.
i figured the oldfags would have done a good job shoving gamer gate shit down everyone's throat but i STILL see people who have the ignorant audacity to say multiculti sjw CULT of thought has NOT ruined the world of gaming. if you want (((((pol))))) to stop coming here get politics out of fucking video games.

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>>380338029
tldr: the more /pol/ reacts with "HURR DURR NIGGERS" the more minority characters you're getting. Its a vicious cycle.

The only reason the Japs don't have it is because they don't speak our language, not because they're the sole saviors of the white race.

>>380331551
That's called Early Access with good Indie devs. I hate all the shit early access gets when it could definitely be used to make gaming exactly what gamers want it to be. What could be done to fix the issue of early access being abused and make it more what it should be: a system to mold the shapes of games as they are being developed while also allowing indie developers access to the funds required to make high fidelity games?

>>380337779
>s-s-surrender!

ok anon u can surrender
unless you have something to actually say

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>>380338319
read this but use ur pea brain and substitute gaming devs+ their shit culture..
and then DO IT

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>>380338320
>if i post a blushy anime girl the words with it are always correct

the worst thing about 4chan

>>380326318
Screw all this, give me a PC port of Champions of Norrath and I'll be content for the rest of my life.

>>380321539
massive fire at e3, no survivors

>>380338029
I don't know what E3 you were watching this year, anon, but the amount of games that had a straight up black lead is not big. Sure, there's an increase of black characters, but black leads? I can count a handful. Most of the games still have a white lead, with a few of them giving you choice / having some other race.

The problem is exacerbated by people in this board, does it really mean that much if a game like far cry 5 has you shoot christian cultists, along with a black female protagonist? Or that BG&E2 has a multi ethnic cast, when the game takes place in the distant future in a distant planet? It's very, very easy to take offense at the notion of white men being boring or the fact that they're the default being some kind of bad thing, but when you stop for a second and look at things from a level headed standpoint, I don't think this is such a rising trend and I also don't think that it has any deeper meaning or threat behind it.

I hope that I came through and didn't appear as some SJW, because I'm not, and I don't think that white men should be abolished as video game protagonists purely by virtue of them being white men. I just don't think that some games having non whites in them are some big issue or an indication of anything more than a slight shift in the way the industry handles these things.

>>380338320
>The only reason the Japs don't have it is because they don't speak our language
Or maybe because they are a xenophobic culture in general and they know tits and ass sell. So I doubt they will stop making great games and cute grills. Based japs, bless 'em.

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>>380336767
Be gentle. Mom bought me a Switch at the weekend. Do you like Nintendo? Maybe we could be friends after all.

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>>380321539
It would legitemately take some new form of media for normies to flock to and drop gaming almost entirely and causing another industry crash. Gaming only got stale because it grew big and dev studios weren't just some guys in a garage anymore.

Of course companies are going to play it safe and pander to nostalgia and franchise-milking when they've grown big and hundreds, if not thousands of jobs are on the line, not to mention shareholders.

Gaming is literally 'Movie industry 2.0' now. You can thank all these fags that get excited over shit like Beyond Good and Evil 2, Bubsy, CoD WWII, and all the other nostalgia bait for the current, stale as fuck state of the industry. These companies just shit out the same games from the same franchises over and over because they know people will pay for brand recognition and for the non-sensical desire to relive the 90's/early 2000's with shit that will never live up to the memories formed by nostalgia

Just curious, how old are most of you? A lot of these posts are screaming angsty teenager to me.

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>>380338828
this, kek

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>>380323917
You're goddamn right it is anon, this post hit me right in the feels.

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>>380321539
Not having cancerous/pleb skilled Elite Moderators

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>>380339064
>It would legitemately take some new form of media for normies to flock to

What do you think VR is?

>>380339072
Why does that matter? I'm 28 yrs old and I have been saying that filthy casuals/sjw pandering has fucking ruined gaming, not a single person is has been able to argue against me. What does she have to do with it.

>>380333897
You don't have any friends irl to play it with though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATgah4TmFT4

>>380339867
Age*

>>380321539
high development costs and AAA titles are killing gaming. I want smaller development team that cares about actual gamers

>>380339867
Because teenagers are usually emotional and feel like everything is coming to an end. You have no excuse to be so alarmist, you're my age you should know better. Maybe you're mentally still a kid.

>>380340181
Again failing to address my point.

>>380325185
glad you generally like garbage

E3 has been shit for years yet you retard eat up the shit

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>>380322886
Love this face!

>>380333370
>>380334897
>I play AAA trash exclusively
Good cuckold, don't touch the good stuff

>>380340353
No casual/sjw pandering is not killing games. The majority of games have always been shitty, as long as I can get a few solid games a year I'm good.

If you think it's dead then tell me some years you think were so great, because this year was pretty fucking solid.

>>380338574
>/pol/ numales can't figure out why they're all lonely virgins
Kek

>>380321539
gaming isnt dying, just your mental stability

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>>380339072
Many have the bodies of a grown man but the mental capacity of a child. If McDonalds ceased operation tomorrow they'd all go hungry.

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i forgot! at the past gamedevcon pic related happened.

so yeah anyone who is saying cultural marxism isnt infecting vidya like it has been infecting the rest of the west is either
>a shill
>or underage and clueless to the world.
since its undoubtably the second, maybe we need a gamergate v2 to redpill this new swath of fools.

also >>380339064 >Gaming is literally 'Movie industry 2.0' now
thats also the state of imageboards ie this place

>>380340181
How is pointing out a trend that has clearly shifted the direction that developers and the industry are taking gaming in alarmist or angst. I admit I am a jaded and frustrated , filthy casuals.

>>380325689
>unironcally wanting all vidya be made by the government
are you retarded?

>>380321539
Let it die you dumb faggot. Support bad business practices like 'paid mods'. Force it off the cliff. There's no saving this beast, the infection has run its course. Kill it and you may be able to salvage the remains.

>>380340931
Because it hasn't ruined anything that was ever good. Most triple A games were always bad. Name some years you think games were great because like I said this year was pretty solid. E3 has been bad for around a decade and has been aimed at investors and not consumers.

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>>380321539
Every shred of evidence is to the contrary.
>bigger sales than before
>past the burst bubble, now it's only stable growth
>gaming is past it's infancy, and now the foundations of good games and genres is laid, iteration and improvement follows
>people are discussing games as a legitimate storytelling and artistic medium and not behaving as if it were infantile entertainment
>mainstream games has allowed for thriving niche games with small but loyal communities
>price of admission is low, gaming will likely never suffer the same fate as automotive enthusiasm
>games made today are on average of higher quality than before
>many bad gaming conventions from before are now gone, save for games which embrace them as part of their design (save points, health pack trails, maze levels come to mind

I remember when I was saying gaming was dying...back in 2003. Back then, we just came out of the greatness of 16 bit systems, the n64 and psx. PS2 was just starting to get a good library, and PC was just starting to get some of it's most iconic games. Fourteen years on and gaming still isn't dead, it isn't dying, and it isn't going anywhere.

Just follow the games you like and ask other anons what games are interesting to them. Look for the occasional new game and play what you darn well like.

>>380328964
This. Gabe was always a greedy cunt, but it took the departure of Harrington for Gabe to grow super fat. Harrington was the foil that was more about the games than he was the money.

Half Life 2 was little more than a tech demo for the Source Engine. Fucking disgrace.

But I thought the Japanese were making the best games right now so I thought there was nothing to worry about

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Good indies that are actually fun and not pixelshit or walking simulators and actually sold as complete titles with a similar price tag and experience. Valve did this briefly and that's why Gabe was hailed as a messiah. We need more companies like 2000s-era Valve.

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>>380321539
The Muslim conquest of the west.

Call of Allah: Iraqi Warfare and Grand Theft Jihad: Londonistan can't be worse than what we currently are being served.

>>380341495
getting to fat and bloated will kill you too yadingus

>>380341732
Dead cells is great. If you can't appreciate good 2d pixel art you're underage.

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Microsoft bowing out of the race.

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>>380321539
A game with the budget of a AAA tittle that breaks the constrictions of our reality on video games. One that takes place in a world or universe where the impossible happens regularly and the player consistently can create or experience mind blowing feats.

Something that will blow your mind like taking DMT or LSD.

I've only made one game. When you learn to code and test things out you start to understand some insane things that you can make. Walls don't need to connect to the same spaces, time doesn't have to be linear.
Space and time don't need to connect and the impossible can always happen.

>>380321539
my game
please donte kickstarter

>>380341495
>>people are discussing games as a legitimate storytelling and artistic medium and not behaving as if it were infantile entertainment
Translate: no fun allowed anymore

>2017
>still playing North American trash

Stop playing their rehashed AAA shit and maybe you'll like video games again. I'm over here excited as fucking Monster Hunter World, Metroid Prime 4, Mount and Blade: Bannerlords, and you're saying gaming is dead.

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WHY WON'T THEY MAKE GAMES WITH NEW MECHANICS

IT'S LITERALLY JUST PRETTY ANIMATIONS

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>>380341495
>people are discussing games as a legitimate storytelling and artistic medium and not behaving as if it were infantile entertainment

>>380322518
Please this... Please just get rid of them all. When will nerdgaymerculture stop being mainstream? Please just make them all go away. Please god kill all letsplayers. I'm afraid we've reached the point of no return. Fucking internet fucking YouTube fucking HaloCoDminecraftmeme fucking ign we had everything we ever needed. why couldn't you just leave it alone?

>>380341495
This

Enough you fags, quit bwing bitter and realize good vidya still exists, its just you arent stupid enough to realize the rest of the trash alongsife it was always there, when you were younger and now, nothing has changed.

>>380321539

Videogaming is blooming, anon.
You are dying; you are left out, bitter, and nostalgia-clinging.
That is the issue.
And it is a wonderful thing.

You guys have been making these threads for the past 10 years. Just a new generation of kids growing up and reflecting on "muh good old days" like so many before you. Gaming is still going strong.

>>380333267
>Gaming isn't dying, anon. We're just getting older. The games that amazed us when we were children amazed us because we were children, not because they were amazing.
Just because we were kids does not mean we dont realize good games
Developers of games have almost always marketed with children in mind because they are the largest market for such a thing.
No they dont
Take Fallout 4 for example. Let's compare it to Fallout 2, because that was a game I loved as a kid.
and it still holds up today as a better game
Gaming isn't dying. On the contrary, gaming is stronger today than it's ever been. It's just that AAA titles are being made with kids in mind, and we aren't kids anymore.
No retard their made for fucking casuals that will eat up any shit developers through at them

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Only way to save video games industry is to make gaming unpopular again. Like "only racist people play video games" or "only MEN play video games."

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>>380321539
Ironically, dying would be the best thing to happen right now.

>gaming industry collapses
>no more AAA garbage being made
>no more overinflated marketing budgets
>no more cheap manipulation and bribery of the media
>no more blatant pandering for free publicity
>no more endless rehashes and yearly sequels
>no more normies
>indie studios making niche games survive because the real fans will buy those anyway
>a new golden age where gameplay and originality beat graphics and marketing

>>380342341
>You guys have been making these threads for the past 10 years. Just a new generation of kids growing up and reflecting on "muh good old days" like so many before you. Gaming is still going strong.
its only going strong for greedy developers and mouth breathing casuals.

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These aren't video-games

point me a single trailer that wasn't a pre-processed cutscene

>>380342265
I don't understand how they can be so fucking stupid. Do they utterly lack the ability to find games that appeal to them unless a AAA dev tells them what to buy?

>>380342482
Those niche games are already being made why not just play them?

>>380321539
Standards never rise in this industry. The industry is for kids, they simply move on once the standards are too high. They are replaced by kids who don't know anybetter. A sight for sore eyes to the blind would be awfully majestic etc.

All they need to do is continue to hype shit up and the normies and kids will eat it up. normies are totally fine with the industry and thats all that matters. We are not the majority. People who want something greater than the bare bones puddle deep gameplay simply are not numerous enough to support the industry at current AAA standards. We have to accept that the industry isn't for us and we must sustain ourselves on fringe companies and indies.

Our only hope is that something comes out that takes normies and kids away from gaming in large enough numbers that they have to raise the bar. Thats it. The money is still flowing, the decisions are still being made by number junkies and normies will continue to be the target audience.

>>380342365
This. We need to fucking nuke the filthy casuals/sjw/feminists into fucking space so they can't infiltrate and spread their cancer anymore.

>>380340832
"Purchaser Age"

Anon, those are mainly the fathers buying it for their son.

>>380342265 see

>>380340873
>>380338319
>>380338574

>>380321539
IF YOU ALL DONT LIKE THE STATE OF GAMING WHY DONT YOU MAKE YOUR OWN GAMES IM SURE ITS PRETTY EASY LMAO

>>380325185
>Hurr thank you mr Nintendo 4 my yearly installment of jumping Italian plumber simulator it was everything I hoped for you really delivered
>thank you SE so much for another trailer of my favorite anime Disney game that was announced 27 years ago can't wait to play they really surprised me this time

>>380342578
>Those niche games are already being made why not just play them?
Who says I don't?

The last time I actually bought an AAA game was XCOM 1.

>>380341976
Tell me more, anon. Did you upload your game anywhere?

>>380342543
You're looking in all the wrong places and only saying it's bad when it's anything but the genres you enjoy, perhaps?

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Let it die

it will be better later

>>380321539
Devs making good, creative games based on their own desires, instead of having the design dictated by a marketing dept that doesn't get vidya, and not acting like vidya is some hip thing people are proud of and wear tshirts about it and shit and livestream of twitch and are "so happy to be here" or "excited", but just play from the confines of their comfy home, alone, in the dark, because that's how true gamers enjoy their games.

Essentially kick out normies of the industries, whether as leaders or consumers.

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For it to die, and not be a central piece of advertising and political discussion. Once its dead, it will no longer be the cool, hip thing. No one will care, creativity will be taken up by people devoted to an idea rather then an income.

Why were games 'back in the day' more brutal, tougher, gorey, funny, and at times just straight lewd? Because peopole made what they wanted, and the games were GOOD. A game comes out now and its a marketing hype train set for disappointment to cut-content-vil. The bottem dollar is what matters, so you pander to the people who will buy based on frivilous shit (kills white people, has a gay character, is essentually a visual novel, takes down the patriarchy, ect.). Think im /pol/ing it up? Japanese games need to die too. waifu-ism and moe shit is running just as rampant.

It needs to die in order to be reborn. It is the seasonal cycle, and we are in the dead of winter right now.

>>380342820
So why do you give a fuck then? There were plenty of great games released this year. AAA games have always been mostly awful going back to shovelware crap.

I have no sympathy for people too stupid to find stuff that appeals to them. Did you all just buy yearly ubisoft games until recently or something?

>>380343004
Fucking exactly. Normies and filthy casuals are the reason the vidya industry is rotting. (Of course there are good games still coming out, but they are nil in comparison to the garbage being spewed out to cater to the lowest common denominator)

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>implying there's anything wrong with being a casual

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>>380342578
>Those niche games are already being made why not just play them?

Yes. But they die easily and never get any sequels.

>>380343364
It has always been that way you goon. Piles of shovelware and a few good games.

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>>380342365
This is why the Senate hearings in the mid-1990s were the high point of gaming and where it all went wrong, because immediately after games became more popular then ever and as long as no one was doing anything like rape depicted on screen, developers could do anything...but all the popularity came at a price as more and more people came. Then 2005-2006 was when the casuals and others proved that could really harm gaming as a whole, leading us to today.

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>>380343708
But never in this scale.

>>380343181
Stop being so triggered, you fucking Nancy. Where did I imply that I only played Ubisoft games? If you have no argument, at least have a bit of dignity and don't resort to pathetic strawmen.

And I give a fuck because I give a fuck about the industry, which is rapidly becoming more creatively bankrupt than the fucking movie industry. A healthy industry could be a driving force of quality and creativity, but instead it's an endless morass of stagnation and corner-cutting, where a game's marketing budget is more important than its quality.

>AAA games have always been mostly awful going back to shovelware crap.
First of all, no. AAA games have not always been crap. Sure there have always been AAA games that were crap, but it used to be that the big-budget titles (before they were even what we'd call "AAA" today) actually did drive gaming forward. Many of the best and most influential titles in the business were "AAA".

>>380343546
I remember like 8 years ago when this shit was shilled on /v/.

Bought it and it was complete ass, I haven't touched it since 2009. Lessons were learned that day.

>>380321539
You dying, anon.

>>380343708
Well
- shovelware of the past was better than AAA games today
- shovelware of the past had limited success, best games and best sellers weren't shovelware, now shovelware tops the sales on every platform and good games are "niche"

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This board has become redditgaf 2.0. When fan boys defend unbalanced or broken shit I drop / refuse to buy the game. When the game is overly pandery I'll refuse to buy it. There's a difference between doing shit right and throwing something in a game for goodjewpoints. You want games like Mass Effect or Halo to continue being made? Then fuck off and accept when people give their criticism.

>>380343708
>>380343181
>there are people on this board that are so dumb they don't even know the difference between shovelware and big-budget AAA garbage

Wew lads. Just because two things are both bad doesn't mean they're the same thing.

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>>380321539
Gaming is saved. Stop being a cuck.

>>380343708
except your full of shit

Play lesser known games I guess that have a reputation for challenging/fun games. 90% of the games shown were casualized garbage, I don't know how you can get excited unless you're a newfag to vidya or just a dumbass.

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>>380321539
A crash. I'm not talking about the meme crash /v/ talks about all the time but that the increasing developing costs and risks will make bigger devs and publishers target a broader audience and when their sale projections are not met and they die then games will become a niche thing again and we'll get actual games and not the shit we've been getting lately.

In short what this guy said >>380322518

>>380344534
Nah I'm really not.
>>380344291
No they really weren't.
>>380344119
I'm saying the amount of shit is irrelevant as long as the amount of solid games is fairly stable. Gaming will be dead when those solid games stop coming out, not when we get a few more awful games a year.

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>>380323917
This desu. We are just witnessing late stage capitalism. Movies, literature, video games, it's all shit.

Just be happy you were alive to experience the golden age of art.

>>380344402
pretty much the only difference if the budget

>>380342070
Bannerlord*

>>380333267
This guy knows what's up. /v/'s full of casuals that play games aimed at kids and get mad when they realise that the games are shit.

>>380344892
>Gaming will be dead when those solid games stop coming out
They have you double nigger.

>No they really weren't.
You sure showed him.

>>380344804
hopefully jrpgs will die off entirely

>>380321539
People have been saying the same thing since I was born. The fact that this thread has so many replies just proves how young and stupid the board is

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No good games came out in the last 10 years, yet the market is still afloat.

the fuck

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My real question is WHY do normies/filthy casuals and sjws have so much fucking influence now, not only vidya, but other forms of media as well. It's fucking bullshit. Normies/casuals and fucktards that don't understand the industry should not be in leadership or developer positions. How did it get skewed so bad??

>>380345104
This year had a bunch of great games you dumb cunt. What was the last year you thought was good? He's underage as fuck if he thinks awful movie tie in games on the snes or ps1 are as good as modern AAA games and I fucking hate modern AAA games.

doesn't deserve saving

also impossible

It's a problem with society, culture, and the popularization of the internet.

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>>380322845
get fucked boyo

>>380345427
Because normies are dumb and easy to influence so it's easy to take their money by showing them useless gimmick and shiny stuff.

So the market will try to please them since it's where the money is at.

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>>380344259
>>380344304
Never trust /v/. This is why you always do research first, then download demo or pirate the game and make your own conclusions.

>>380333267
Anon I'm a newfag and I keep playing old games and I'm having tons of fun, much more than modern games bring me. There really is something more to old games beyond the nostalgia goggles.

Just look at the complexity of those games, see how everything was simplified, casualized, contextualized. Jump buttons are becoming rare, so they're replaced by retarded contextual shit-grade mantling that's always fucking broken. Inventories have disappeared, now just press Y or use the dpad to cycle the few contextual items you have. AI has gone retarded, it's not even specialized anymore, every enemy has the same AI in general, and they share their intelligence with "heat levels", rather than all having individual perception and logic.

You want to know the real reason? Graphics.

They put the bar too high. They keep trying to raise the bar. But to do so, they had to sacrifice everything else: writing, enemy and item variety, world design and complexity... All to save more CPU and RAM so they can make better graphics.

You know, it's often said that video game visual budget boils down to placing the cursor between a huge and complex open world with Quake 3 graphics, or a photorealistic corridor. We're aiming for corridors, and everything else is sacrificed on the altar of good graphics.

And then cash shops, achievements, unlocks, rewards, esports and streaming finish it.

I bet most of you whining about casuals are actually awful at video games.

>>380321539
Less cinematic shit, more gameplay.

>>380345010
Which is exactly why it's a big deal, you idiot.

What do you think is more harmful to the industry as a whole? A shit game that nobody cares about and only exists to fill up bargain bins and the indie section of Steam, or a shit game that gets a massive advertising budget, that every review site and magazine does a full (paid) feature about, that sells millions and millions of copies to idiots and normies as a result, and that dozens of big and small studios try to copy in order to recreate its "success"? It's not that fucking hard to figure out, is it?

Shovelware is harmful only when it drowns out good titles, which in today's age of always having the latest information at your fingertips is almost impossible to do. But for AAA garbage, drowning out good titles is a way of life. The gaming business isn't about making good games, it's about keeping normies hooked on your yearly releases and presenting attractive numbers to your shareholders. And even though everyone knows the numbers are artificially propped up and nothing means anything anymore, nobody who actually matters gives a shit because that same garbage keeps printing them money.

Now I'm not so naive to think that money didn't matter in the "good old days". Of course it did. But there's no denying that somewhere along the line gaming went from niche business, to big business, to the biggest entertainment business there is, eclipsing even Hollywood. And along that track, a switch got flipped from people with passion making games they like, to people with money making games to make more money.

>>380345427
>My real question is WHY do normies/filthy casuals and sjws have so much fucking influence now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TIo7oHotfI

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>>380321539
Something none of you want to do.
Pic related. Get to playing it.

>>380346927
I did.

And then I uninstalled it two days later because it was fucking awful.

>>380346675
oh I agree of course money matted back in the day but becuse 3-d graphics were still new it drive away normies

>>380321539
Burning it all down so something better can rise from the ashes.

>>380333123
>Don't you know
Anyone who says this phrase is a guaranteed redditor

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>>380347234
Too bad. Keep going.

>>380321539
If people stopped blind brand loyalty and console war shit then we'd probably be back to only care about fun games again. This whole consolewar bullshit has gone for far too long; don't get me wrong competition between different console is good but when it also applies to the playerbase it becomes a fuckking mess. Nobody cares about making fun games anymore, unless they're some kind of niche company, they just want exclusives. Honestly seiing people fight over "who won e3" is a major symptom of this whole bullshit people need to wake the fuck up.

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>>380345427

>>380321539
But it isn't you fucking neckbeard. What YOU want may be going away, but the industry is continually growing. Technologies improve, and there is more and more cross-play for a wider audience. You all seem to forget, games aren't art, they are manufactured goods for consumption, and sales are ever increasing.

>>380321539
But anon, I WANT video games to die. It needs to at the very least experience another massive crash.

So sick of all the shit these faggots get away with anymore.

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>>380325371
This is where we play the game where I post all the games I'm hyped for and you invent reasons why they're all going to be dogshit.

Take some fucking antidepressants and stop being a cunt.

>>380321539
Japan to have games that actually compete internationally in sales again.

>>380349997
Oh, I LOVE that game!

>>380321539
Can someone link the final E3 event show? Or the name it was under?

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It all started in the late 2010s when the feminists, casuals, normies, sjws all took over the hobby. This is the natural progression of all things when cultural marxism and post modernism is dominant.
Quality of art is not a priority next to MASS APPEAL on the one hand and POLITICAL CORRECTNESS on the other.

To save games you have to save humanity from itself. Re-educate the people into having good taste (not just in video games but in all things).

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>>380330451
>>380333646
If you don't know then you shouldn't be posting here.

Gaming has been dying for the past 7 years bro.

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japan to make games that appeal to an western audience

and western gaming is dead
unless some mad genius comes along to fix it

>>380321539
unironically Todd Howard with an infinite budget and the best team available, and the game being not released, or at least not developed for, on console

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>>380338574

>YOGA PANTS AND TITTY VIDEOS ARE DESTROYING SOCIETY
>ITS SOMEONE ELSE'S FAULT GIRLS THINK I'M A DISGUSTING FUCK

>>380349162
The first part is pretty right on but I'm fairly certain that sales are decreasing for a lot of games that belong to a series. But throw in the merch and other shit and the sales may still be improving.

>>380324889
>Just look at modern rock music
Oh it's one of you fucking fags, there's a good reason why old music is good. No one remembers the dogshit.

>>380321539
Vr games with haptic feedback suits.

Haven't played a game in almost 6 years now.
The last game I played was Skyrim , did I miss something?

>>380321539
remove female developers, stop buying games on steam (especially old ones), vote with your wallet, remove the normies, early access games are cancer so avoid them at all costs, don't base your purchase on metacritic without doing more research.

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>>380332440
>>380334207
You do know that the "small indie studios" are the ones who are the most raging hardcore left-wing political, right?

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>>380321539
We save it by making our own games.

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>>380351075
>push multiculturalism and equality
>Society starts crumbling
>hurr durr you're just bitter
I can smell the melanin from here

>>380351781
Agree on everything. Rust is a good early access game though.

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>>380351793
Fucking god damn cancer. I want to fucking genocide females/normies/filthy fucking scrubs from the face of this earth.

>>380345394
Them normies will buy anything. And young kids.

>Gaming is dying

You'd say that if you were a kid growing up with a PS2 and did not touch games before 1999.

You can whine and cry about derivative titles all you want, but in actuality there is way more variety in video games now then there ever used to be. Shit, I remember gaming in the 80's/90's and I remember how all you used to ever really have were generic platformers, or generic side-scrolling action games. You'd occasionally get RPG's, yet those were mainly PC games and didn't really become big until the mid-90's on consoles. There were some racing/sports games but that was really all there was. And holy fuck you faggots know nothing about shit until you grew up playing absolutely shit movie-tie in games and that was all you had for a while, because games back then in today's dollar cost WAY FUCKING MORE back then in real terms.

Open world RPG's like Skyrim or Fallout with a similar feature set COULD NOT EXIST back then. In fact many of the genres/games you take for granted could not exist. Shit ain't dying, it's flourishing and you guys are mad because "OH NO IT'S NOT GOING THE WAY I WANT IT TO"

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>>380340156
Have you seen the garbage western indies are spewing out?
What we need is the middle market that allows creativity to reach its full potential and right now only glorious Nippon is offering one.

>>380352281
Interesting

>>380321539
nuke japan and then fix the global economy

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You only need to look to where the sun rises.

>>380341845
Hollywood isn't dying.
>>380342062
The opposite, actually. Now that games aren't children's toys, they're able to tell great stories. Portray great settings. Mechanics are able to get more complex and better streamlined. We're discarding old gameplay artifacts that are irrelevant. Through iteration we've made better games than before.

If games were just children's toys, no one would care. It would just be a child's plaything, lawn darts for the twenty first century.
>>380342202
Are you telling me that games before were not perceived as infantile? The shocks about Doom and Mortal Kombat. Children playing gory games! Children playing Grand Theft Auto! Children laughing at toilet humor in Banjo Kazooie!
Gaming was for children. Those children have now grown up and are creating the games they wanted as kids. We're the first generation to be immersed in games from an early age, to go out and start making our own.

Games are getting even better than before.

>>380352897
If you played games on PC, you'd realize the middle market of small developers with large budgets exists almost exclusively on PC.
Eat shit.

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>>380352281
>I want to genocide a group of people who are required to continue the human species

>>380341495
This.
I was there when people were calling PS2 games bloated Hollywood trash and that polygon graphics were the worst thing to happen to video games.

>>380342103
The latter sells, the former doesn't.
It's that simple.

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>>380354267
Soon, very soon.

>>380354053
>Hollywood isn't dying

*slow claps*

*steps out of the shadows*

Heh... not bad, kid. Not bad at all. Your meme, I mean. It's not bad. A good first attempt. It's plenty dank... I can tell it's got some thought behind it... lots of quotable material...

But memeing isn't all sunshine and rainbows, kid. You're skilled... that much I can tell. But do you have what it takes to be a Memester? To join those esteemed meme ranks? To call yourself a member of the Ruseman's Corps? Memeing takes talent, that much is true. But more than that it takes heart. The world-class Memesters - I mean the big guys, like Johnny Hammersticks and Billy Kuahana - they're out there day and night, burning the midnight meme-oil, working tirelessly to craft that next big meme.

And you know what, kid? 99 times out of a hundred, that new meme fails. Someone dismisses it as bait, or says it's "tryhard," or ignores it as they copy/paste the latest shitpost copypasta dreamt up by those sorry excuses for cut-rate memers over at reddit. The Meme Game is rough, kid, and I don't just mean the one you just lost :^). It's a rough business, and for every artisan meme you craft in your meme bakery, some cocksucker at 9gag has a picture of a duck or some shit that a million different Johnny No-Names will attach a milion different captions to. Chin up, kid. Don't get all mopey on me. You've got skill. You've got talent. You just need to show your drive.

See you on the boards...

>>380354267
I am mad at the direction the vidya industry is going in. it's nothing but pandering and fucking filthy casuals/feminists are ruining it , developers keep fucking listening to these degenerates, and I'm god damn sick of it.

You being young again.

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>>380344804
Never going to happen. The crash was made possible by video games being considered a fad by the general public. Now that they've become an institutionalized pastime they're not going away any time soon.

>>380321539
>dying
It's been dead. For years.

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>>380355770
So you're going to kill off every single child-bearing human to accomplish this?

>>380353992
western games go to hell

>>380321539
Death. It needs to be reborn.

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>>380326318

>Mount and Blade 2

>>380321539
I think the planet is sick, and it needs it medicine: a nuke.

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>casuals won

>>380356490
Who is to say feminine bois can't bear a human child in current future year?

>>380328920
All objectively shit. Kill yourself

>>380358053
You may as well just say you don't like video games.

I can't share this board with you people anymore. All these fucks in here saying that gaming is just fine, and in fact is improving need to die. All of you are a waste of air and just bags of flesh that need to be trimmed. Fuck you.

More japanese games.

Seriously only japanese and sometimes eastern europeans make good games anymore.

Everyone else wants to make press x to win movies.

>>380358521
Yup. They're still blue pilled anon, although it boggles my mind that they can't see the cancer that is being spread in the vidya industry due to dumbing down for filthy casuals or pandering to political horse shit agendas.

>>380359092
Because when they came, the cancer was already there. It's normal for them.

>>380358521
We need a new /v/. I'll agree the graphics are a fuckton better in current year but I think the last good AAA game I played was Dying Light. Since atleast 2015 every game is forcing shit.

>>380358806
either that or aimless open world games because modern gamers are entitled as fuck and feel they have to play the game in whatever order they want so linear games are gone.

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>>380326318
>A Way Out
>remake of any sort
>Crackdown 3
>KH3
>Ooblets
>XCOM 2 Expansion
>""""""good""""""

>>380321539
prey 2

and i mean a sequel to the new prey

not bladerunner prey

>fuck off

>>380321539
Gamers to get jobs. I have a theory about console gamings being so obsessed with console wars because their parents will only buy them one console per generation.

>>380359275
Everyone says that game is good, but it's fucking ass. It's just like every other AAA modern shit game where you run around doing the same side quest over and over, do the same gameplay loop with collecting metal to repair your shit, which will never break because of all the shit the game feeds you. Then you have to go find air drops that play out the same every time, and on top of it all you have to play the game, and the game itself is just so redundant.
It's such a poor example of a good modern game. It may be better than all the other shit released that year, and consecutively, but it's still an awful fucking experience, I'm sorry.