Sonic Mania - Green Hill Zone Boss

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>>380053920
>mfw the bosses escalate from here on out

>sonic 2 final boss is the first boss

This is amazing

>>380053920
>last boss is first boss
jesus christ how horrifying

This game finally looks good.

>>380056475
I'm watching the new Forces gameplay and they're doing a similar thing there too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8i_PJp7QsU

>>380056986
>This game finally looks good.
It looked good as soon as it was revealed, m8.

>>380057014
>look at the physics on the ball

Jesus christ

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>>380056986
>finally
>Because of some neutered nostalgia bait boss
For the record I've been hyped since reveal, but if this of all things is what tipped you, you really need to get those priorities in check.

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>>380057014
its really hard to not sound sexist when every girls in gameplay showing sound retarted and like they never even tried to dive in the source material.

>>380053920
>sonic game that's good
surely /v/ will hate it

>>380053920
I'll be bouncin on my boys dick for hours to that boss fight.

>>380057546
Everyone on here minus a few contrarians and Adventurecucks are ecstatic.

>>380057460
To be fair so do most of the guys
Its all actors paid to look hyped

>there was a guy who posted a screen of this on /v/ like a week ago

Was he a dev?

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>>380053920

>getting hit when the game actually tells you where the drill is going

That was painful to watch. Am I the only one that's sickened by this?

>>380058317
This was the dead hours of 3 am after having to deal with LA traffic and probably setting up the sonic booth for hours, I can excuse getting hit a couple times.

>>380058076
No, some incompetent news website accidentally included that screenshot in their Chemical Plant reveal article. The caption for that image had nothing to do with the Green Hill boss, but instead was about Chemical Plant. So basically a leak.

>>380057014
Why does Forces look so awful?

>>380053920
>Unlimited coins on boss fights.

can noob friendly gaming please go?

>>380058713
Ah. Still pumped it's real. There's a lot of things this game is doing very right.

>>380058905
Because it's being made by nu-Sonic Team.

>>380059085
>Sonic
>coins
And you have the gall to call anyone else noobs.

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>>380058593

>mfw I only play classic sonic when I'm on a drink fuelled nostalgia trip
>mfw it usually takes about half a bottle of vodka to get in that state

No. Anybody that's working for sega should be able to play classic sonic flawlessly, they were all over the place.

>>380058317
I've been avoiding watching any Sonic Mania gameplay because of this, fucking game journalists

>>380057014
>hey're doing a similar thing there too
In what way?

>>380059750
The Egg Dragoon is the last Eggman boss in Unleashed.

>>380059750
Rehashing old shit

>>380059930
Calm yourself, child, Christian Whitehead has to do what Sega tells them too if he wants the job.

>>380053920
>that animation of closing the lid
So good.

>>380053920
Just wanted to say I never post here but I got my start on Sonic the Hedgehog when I was a toddler, always considered Sonic 3 & K to be my favorite game with FFVII (sue me), and have been let down over and over and over again by Sonic Team. Just played Generations finally a few weeks ago, was pissed, and basically went on a rant to some of my friends about what they SHOULD be doing with Sonic only to find out that Sonic Mania is pretty much exactly it. Soooo glad to see someone get it right. Fuck Sonic Team for being retarded. Fuck them so hard.

>>380061216
nice blogpost

>>380053920
Even by first boss standards that looks too easy.

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>>380061216
good on you anon

>>380061485
Compared to every other classic Sonic game? No way.

>playing sonic for the difficulty

You are all fags
I hope mania has leaderboards

PINGAS

Just make Super Sonic Maker and be done with it.

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>>380061836
It does.

>>380061485
I mean it's not like the wrecking ball, drill car, or fire machine thing are bastions of difficulty.
>>380062002
Yeah just make a Sonic Maker so you can play shit directionless tripe and troll levels over and over that didn't get old with Mario at all.

>>380059750
The Egg Mobile from Sonic 1's first boss battle then changes into Egg Dragoon for Classic Sonic

>>380062214
You're right, because the 'professional' levels aren't just endless remakes of old levels. Can't wait to play another green hill zone.

>>380062214
My problem is they took one of toughest bosses in the series and made it easier than any of the other first bosses.

Also Mario Maker had tons of good levels if you looked hard enough.

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>>380057185
>>380058905
>>380059228

It doesn't even look bad. You just have a bias towards Sonic team. Also Forces will sell 5x more than Mania.

>>380062892
>and made it easier than any of the other first bosses.
They didn't.

>>380063323
>having a bias towards a group with a terrible track record
No shit Iizuka.

>>380057014
Classic Sonic's jump seems way better than in Generations I gotta admit. He falls way faster.

>>380063323
>It doesn't even look bad.
If this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY3KVTMm264
is good to you then I don't know what to tell you at this point, you're a lost cause.

>>380063609
>terrible track record

You should pay attention to who has kept Sega and the Sonic Franchise afloat all these years, fucking retard.

>>380063816
The fanbase?

>>380063323
I was referring to what the woman says

That circular saw has no physics its programmed to always move the same way, she is a dumb bitch

>>380063816
>who has kept Sega and the Sonic Franchise afloat all these years
Dumb kids buying shitty games?

>>380062892
>made it easier than any of the other first bosses.
That's a stretch to me, Anon, it still looked harder than Sonic 1, 2 & 3's first bosses. I mean in Sonic 1 you just hug a wall and attack when the ball is on the other side, in Sonic 2 you just jump on him while he slowly goes left to right & if you're good enough you roll into a ball and give him 4 hits right away as he's going off screen and Sonic 3 you just repentantly jump on him while dodging slow fire balls (and it can be even easier with the Flame Shield they give you before the fight), at least from what we seen here you're being chased the whole time (kind of like a reverse Mushroom Hill but slower) while his arms are targeting you, although I could see the Electric Shield raping him.

>>380063794
There's nothing wrong with it?

And thanks for showing that, I wasn't aware the Drop Dash was in Forces.

>>380063794
>The weird sudden stop after killing stuff sometimes, or landing on platforms causing you to stop, or the general cut off of speed so suddenly
...Modern Sonic in Generations had a few gaffs before...but this is...what the fuck.

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>>380063323
This. Classic fags are fucking cancer on the fanbase. They aren't even true Sonic fans. Most of the people who enjoyed the Genesis era games either stuck with Sonic or left it after the Genesis died. The Adventure style games are the ones that has kept Sonic alive and the fanbase is what has made Sonic as relevant as it's ever been now. If Adventure never existed and no Sonic games were released after 1996, Sonic would be trying to make a pathetic comeback like Crash Bandicoot or Bubsy.

>>380064713
>There's nothing right with it
Fixed.

>>380064760
Fuck off falseflagger.

>>380064760
Did you forgot the romhacks out the fucking wazoo?

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>>380064760
>Adventurecuck

>>380063609
But when was the last time their terrible track record has shown it's claws?

The last legitimately bad Sonic game developed by Sonic Team was Sonic & The Black Knight and that came out 8 years ago. Since then, Sonic Team has given usGenerations, Colors, and Lost World

>>380065084
Plenty of romhacks for Mega Man too, but as you can see the series is dead and only a very small minority even know they exist.

>>380065264
>Last World
>good
What the fuck.

>>380065396
Not him but it was mediocre. Not "legitimately bad". So he's right.

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>>380064713
Not him but my issue is it actually kind of looks like hold right to win jokes aside. Like he barely needs to put minimum effort into the platforming and especially for the top path, everything else has springs that do a lot for you, even Sonic Generations did this better since the spindash and many sections of Green Hill have you going fast. I also dislike greatly how Sonic kind of stops completely after landing or hitting an enemy, it just seems slow. It's nice to see the Drop Dash though like you said, looks a bit off though. This comes from someone who likes all styles of gameplay by the way.

>>380065264
>But when was the last time their terrible track record has shown it's claws?
Lost World, which was their last game before Forces, which also doesn't look good.

>>380053920
>getting hyped for rehashed bosses
what the fuck

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>>380053920
>Chemical Factory Zone
>get to the boss fight
>suddenly this guy rises up out of the Mega Mack while a remix of this plays

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyDc1H0GrPw&t=116s

Yay/Nay?

>>380065264
Black knight was decent, lost world , on the other hand, was mediocre at best.

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>>380053920
Are they going to spoil the entire fucking game before it's release or what?

>>380066126
I would really prefer new and original bosses

>>380066237
Those are for the new and original zones.

>>380062892
>toughest bosses in the series
theres only one reason that fight was difficult and it was the lack of rings

Does anyone else not like how much they overuse the mode 7-ish sort of rotation for the sprites?

>>380066126
i'm on board but for the remix alone

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>>380062816
Yeah I would rather play those.

>>380066395
And? It was still arguably the hardest boss, regardless of the reason. The window to hit him was also pretty narrow unless you were a fag and waited for him to bend down.

>>380066701
Nope. Only you. Mode 7 kicks ass.

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>>380066126
I want the Chemical Plant Zone to be based on this beta thing from Sonic 3.

>>380067081
Okay, I just think it makes the sprites look less clean, and it seems lazier to just rotate a sprite than make new frames for it

>>380062816
>people are STILL throwing shitfits over a few old Zones sprinkled among the new zones

>>380067223
There's a giant DNA strand in CPZ that looks like that.

>>380067558
>people want new shit
What did you expect?

>>380067743
We ARE getting new shit, in case your eyes have stopped working.

>>380063323
>look at the physics
>there are no physics
>LOL U JUST BAISED

you're a retard. I fucking hate this new generation of cm cock suckers. They act like they are 12 year old twitch streamers. They are characatures of human beings who try to hype up every little thing as if they were explaining it to a small child.

lets look at those graphics, lets look at the physics: the grass is blowing back and forth for no reason but there is no wind effecting the character's movement. The ball goes back and forth in the same motion, there are literally no physics. It's not '3d to look 2d', it's literal 2d.

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>>380067636
I know, it's why I want it.

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>>380064760
Imagine a world where autism is only associated with bronies. Imagine the possibility to say "I like sonic games" proudly, without the fear of being bombarded with OCs and "John Wick vs Sonic" fanfictions by "that one anime guy" or coworkers considering you a homosexual.

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>>380063323
Nigga I'm a modern Sonic kiddy who loved Generations. Forces looks like ass.

>>380067864
I'm aware, and am more excited for that then the old shit. Why is it bad to want more new, original content?

>>380057014
So the boost in modern sonic stages is now assigned to a wisp

Not sure I like this

I'd be a lot more salty over Forces, and especially classic Sonic's gameplay in Forces, if we weren't getting Mania. But we are, so instead I'm kind of looking forward to Forces as an enjoyable side game to play in between Mania sessions. As long as it isn't a step back from Generations it'll probably be a fun time waster. Once it's on sale.

>>380068187
It's not, and I don't know why you faggots always automatically assume that people are annoyed at you over that. It's the nonstop screaming and bitching when anything old happens to be in it as well.

>Last boss from the previous game is now the first boss in the sequel.

Holy Shit! You don't send the hardest boss as the first level boss fight! That is like starting Sonic 1 on the Scrap brain zone

>>380068882
Then what's up with them comments I'm replying to?
>>380068905
Did you not play Generations?

It's the same boss in design only, are you retarded? It plays nothing like the sonic 2 final boss.

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Literally what is the point in having Classic Sonic in Forces it doesn't make any sense whatsoever, in generations it was kinda the point

Especially since we are getting Sonic Mania, it makes no fucking sense

I'd genuinely prefer more werehog sections, at least the music was good

>>380067040
he only has two attacks, is incredibly slow, and easily teligraphed
the fight with Silver Sonic is harder

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>Stardust Speedway
>race Metal Sonic
>win, Metal Sonic falls offscreen
>suddenly screen shake
>Metal Sonic Kai rises up on the left side of the screen
>a 16-bit remix of "What I'm Made Of" with the lyrics in the refrain verses (Let me show you just WHAT I'M MADE OF!) starts playing
>chase boss begins that's similar to Great Eggman Robo except he's swiping and smashing with his hands as well as firing a mega-laser from his chest

>>380059565
dude alcohol lmao xD

>>380071003
>he enjoys games when sober

Pathetic

>>380066202
This is standard operating procedure for all media now. Gotta keep that hype train up! Like/share/subscribe!

>>380063323
I fucking loved Colors and Generations, but this looks like a regression. Plus, it's coming off as really unfocused and soulless.

>>380066202
See: >>380062016

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>>380070547
>>a 16-bit remix of "What I'm Made Of" with the lyrics in the refrain verses (Let me show you just WHAT I'M MADE OF!) starts playing

>>380068492
>now

>>380071414
>have literally seen 1 level

>>380071467
What do you have against buttrock?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LloFv3_j4ck

>gimmick running boss
Oh well, there are other bosses

>>380057014
TIME FOR A CHANGE OF PACE

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>Sprite tweening

>>380072262
this

>>380072262
sweet bait, is it foreign?

>>380057460
>>380057185
>will there be a chao garden
>is it just asthetic or does it affect gamplay
To be fair she is asking all the important questions
>>380068492
Are you retarded

>>380072473
>opinions are bait
eat shit

>>380072069
The first boss is never to impressive to begin with

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>>380072473
Look at the drill. The threads don't line up. Look at the arm the drill is on, shit doesn't line up.

This is a lazily-animated sprite.

>>380072616
sorry, i thought your opinions were too shit to be serious

but in all seriousness, what's your problem with sprite tweening?

>>380072262
2d games on 5th gen platforms did this very often and multi-segment bosses are a staple of late 16-bit titles as well, a display of prowess of the programmers
there is completely nothing wrong with sprite tweening

>>380073079
t. never played a treasure game
fuck off forces shill

>>380072262
I can accept this because it doesn't shoot at preset angles. There's just way too much variation for them to make sprites for every single angle.

>>380073125
>>380067290

>>380073446
Why the fuck would sega be shilling against its own game

>>380067290
Considering how it works and it has to be able to shoot in any angle, it's kind of unreasonable to animate it any other way.

>>380073763
cuckzuka has a grudge, he wants mania to fail

>>380073913
Well it's fine for the drill arm, for example, but that's why I said "overused" and not "used"

>>380073456
>>380073913
>defending laziness

Bad enough you people lap up the rehashed zones but this is fucking unbelieveable.

>>380074291
Shut up falseflagger, I'm saying the tweening is fine for the drill arm but not for the other shit

>>380073913
They should do it in 3D like in Sonic Forces, the REAL new classic Sonic game, not a romhack

>>380074397
>"Tweening is fine"

Die.

>>380074631
HOW THE FUCK ELSE WOULD YOU DO THE ROTATION OF THE ARM

>>380074631
>""""""Die."""""
Shine

>>380074397
Go play Gunstar Heroes and Alien Soldier then come to my house so I can knock your disrespectful Adventurebabby ass the fuck out.

>>380074785
Make 180 variations of the same sprite

I agree with anon, the overuse of tweening just looks plain bad here.

>>380071759
Wrong.

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>>380074436

>>380074436
(You)

>>380075187
>replying to a shitpost

>>380074939
>Adventurebabby
I don't like sonic adventure. I don't know where the fuck you're getting that from.

>>380075187
Updated version here: >>380062016

>>380074291
Well just fuck off then if it makes you so butt befuddled.

>>380075536
Another update? Hot damn.

>>380072094
GET A LOAD OF THIS

Is there really a boss in every act?

>>380076347
Following on from S3K it makes sense.

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>>380076347
Yes, a mini-boss for Act.1 and a normal Boss for Act.2.

>>380076347
Yes, mini boss for act 1, and an Eggman boss for act 2.

>>380067558
The only new zone is Studiopolis. Everything else is a rehash of shit that has been done 10 times over

>>380077217
Fuck OFF FORCES SHILL

>>380077217
Mirage Saloon? The cathedral level?

>>380057460
She asked all the right questions.
>WHERE THE FUCK ARE CHAOS
>WHAT THE FUCK DO OCS HAVE TO DO WITH GAMEPLAY
>WHERE'S THE ONLINE

>>380077217
>The only new zone is Studiopolis
>Mirage Saloon
>the leaked Cathedral zone
>"Sega won't let us reveal any new zones unless they decide to"
>thinking there will be only six zones in the game

You're a little faggot, yes you are.

>>380057185
>its far more realistic

>>380074397
>I'm saying the tweening is fine for the drill arm
I mean I kind of like it for the loops to be honest.

>>380077606
>>380077668
>inb4 he calls Mirage a rehash because 2 was supposed to have a desert and Taxman wanted Desert Dazzle in CD

>>380077586
>sega would shill against their own games
Why are Maniafaggots so retarded?

>>380079213
>he doesn't know shit about SoJ
Why are YOU so retarded?

>>380079928
>they hate money and brand recognition because i say so
Why are (You) so retarded?

>>380080323
So you admit ignorance and retardation? Nice.

Anyone praising Forces is a shill. Report them and move on.

>>380080323
You know the story of 2 and CD don't you?

>>380053920
>Can't hear the music because of these morons and their inane banter
Any clips of this boss without the shitty commentary?

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>>380080725
You still haven't given any reasons why they would do that besides "I say so", young man.

>>380081602
Look up the reason why Xtreme got cancelled, retarded literal child.

>>380053920
I need to know from anyone who gets their hands on it; Can you get Sonic to jump off into the pit by initiating the victory animation really close it? I must know for the lols.

>>380081832
Because of a lack of communication between devs and Sonic Team causing terrible development hell?

How does that relate to "sega would shill against their own games and make themselves lose money because UHHHHH"

>>380082198
>Because of a lack of communication between devs and Sonic Team causing terrible development hell?
Wrong, look again.

>>380082519
Just saying "wrong" isn't a counterargument. Explain exactly why I'm wrong or go smell your own farts elsewhere.

And you haven't answered my question. How does Xtreme's situation relate to this at all?

>>380082198
Sega knows Mania will sell well as it's a very targeted game. Mania is low-budget and by aiming for a guaranteed niche audience of buyers they're expecting a good return. Forces is their AAA title though, and is a bigger risk. Mania's existence runs the risk of making it look bad by comparison, so they need to shill against Mania to make Forces look better to the average consumer.

>>380082850
I'm not arguing with you, I'm telling you that you're an uninformed retard.

>>380083651
not him, and you're really not doing a good job at making your point

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>>380083295
>they shill against the guaranteed-sales game to get less guaranteed sales and make the risk game a bigger risk by putting more of their eggs in one basket
That makes no sense. I know people like to think Sega are a bunch of retards, but this plan has no upsides at all compared to just letting things follow their natural course.

>>380083651
You sure proved me wrong.

>>380083295
>Mania's existence runs the risk of making it look bad by comparison
There's yet to be a single point since Forces' announcement where it didn't look worse than Mania.

>>380053920
Wow. I've seen better Sonic 2 players on Nick Arcade.

Jesus christ the amount of retardation in this thread makes me want to vomit, usually the Mania threads are comfy as fuck but I guess there's always an autist that complains about literally nothing

>>380086001
It doesn't help that literally every time a negative opinion is voiced it is met with HURR FORCES SHILL

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>>380086001
I was about to complain that that's not the boss from Sonic 2
>>380073079
Because in 2 he had rocket hands that punched at you not a drill. Also I'm sure the big robot was bigger than that.

Poster soon:

https://twitter.com/sonic_hedgehog/status/874311175269306368

There's also the fact that at his core Iizuka is a very traditional Japanese businessman. He's very big on respecting those who came before you and earning your place, and Mania rubs him completely the wrong way. He was basically coerced into doing it by Sega. He heavily dislikes stuff like the twitter account making fun of games he worked on and this young team of amateurs coming in and acting like they know how to make a Sonic game. He's also aware if their ROM hack/ fan game origins and feels like they're basically being rewarded for copyright infringement and criminal behavior. You notice how there's no advertising or buzz at all for Mania in Japan? Iizuka really wants this game buried

>>380086543
>implying you're not a Forces shill
Yup, the usual /v/ retards are going to inhabit these threads from now on. As someone looking forward to both of the games, it's sad.

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>>380086543
>negative opinion

More like a fucking nitpick that is only used in this one boss in particular as far as that stupid ass knows and it doesn't even affect the gameplay or the general presentation of the game.

but HURR DURR I HAVE TO SHIT ON SOMETHING

that nigger should kill himself, he is pathetic

>>380086841
this sounds like complete horseshit made by a butthurt adventure fan

>>380087043
>proving him right

>>380086841
[citation needed]

>>380087220
>proving (you) right

ftfy

>>380087043
>there is literally nothing wrong with this game FUCK OFF DON'T SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT SONIC
-you

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>>380087220
Didn't prove him right at all, but if that makes you feel like you won something then go ahead.

It's still a complain that's useless and insignificant, and if he is butthurt enough to throw such a shitfit about it, it makes it really clear that he is autistic

>>380087214
Honestly, it's the rabbit hole that is the Japanese industry.
>>380087650
How is it useless and insignificant?

>>380087650
>wojakposter
Of course.

>>380087626
You can present actual criticism about the game, like the rehashed zones and to some extent you could complain about the overall artstyle of the game if you don't like it, but you are getting butthurt about something really stupid.

>>380087043
do you want a hugbox or something?
>>380087650
>implying only one person doesn't like the game
end your life

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>>380087986
>if i don't like your criticism then it's not "actual criticism"

>still clinging on to hope for a good sonic game when literally every one has been bad
this is getting sad

>>380070547

What is it with Sonic threads and autistic posts like this

Don't answer that, it's a RHETORICAL QUESTION idiot

>>380087897
Because such a tiny detail in a boss fight that you will have to see only once is not worthy of throwing such a shitfit
>>380087929
Just imagine the image is not there, the text is what's important dumbass
>>380088001
No, but if you're going to have a meltdown it should be about an actual flaw of the game, not a minimal detail
>>380088206
That's because it's a stupid criticism, and yes, it is unimportant, it's a nitpick

>>380061903
Guess I'm not the only one who saw it.
I don't know if I should be okay with that though.

>>380088591
Here's a flaw. There's a suprising amount of returning content in this game. Not that nostalgia is bad, but the franchise has had a lot of this recently and it's getting annoying.

What even was the nitpick with the boss?

>>380073079

This isn't tweening, retard, it's just a rotated sprite at low resolution. There is no "less lazy" way to do that. The only reason it sticks out to you is that the Genesis didn't have hardware sprite rotation/scaling like the SNES, so the effect was only seen in a select few games, not including Sonic.

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>>380088591
>if i don't like your criticism then it's a "stupid criticism" and "unimportant"

>>380089061
autist getting mad they tweened the constantly moving drill for the boss fight

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>Still two months away

>>380077217
Actually, Studiopolis is just a rehash of Gust Planet Zone from The Next Level.

>>380073079
Sprites never look 100% perfect if you use any sort of transformation on them (scaling, rotaton, skewing). By the looks of it, they're rotating the arm slightly. The alternative would have been making a different sprite for nearly every angle (do-able, but an exponential amount of work).

>>380089096
The effect was used in Sonic 3 for the Sandopolis miniboss

>>380089061
>What even was the nitpick with the boss?
Not him, but too easy which is laughable because it's the 1st real boss and looks more active than the genesis bosses. And the sprite rotation which I can understand.

>>380089096
>There is no "less lazy" way to do that.
Sure there is

How about you don't do it

If you really need rotated sprites, do it the manual way so it doesn't look like shit

>>380089061
Some autist complaining about sprite tweening in the boss's arm.

And that's an actual flaw that we know about, it bothers me too, but Sega is playing it very safe and I can't do anything about it

>>380089116
It's objectively a bad criticism dumbass, It's like complaining about a pixel that's fucked up in a giant map, it's stupid, just like you

>>380088591
So if the flaw is small I can't point it out at all?

>>380065364
Yeah, but Megaman is shit.

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>>380089551
>It's objectively a bad criticism
wew

Go back to whatever circlejerk you came from.

>>380089560
You can point it out, but having a fucking meltdown like yours makes you look autistic

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>all these faggots that think one autist complaining about sprite rotation is valid criticism

summer needs to end fast

>>380089805
It is, and you are retarded as fuck for even trying to debate it's not

>>380089551
>Some autist
why do you keep saying it like there's only one person WHEN YOU ARE GETTING MULTIPLE REPLIES EACH POST

>>380089504
Wait, never mind, I'm thinking of Gunstar Heroes

>my complaint was that they overuse the sprite rotation for like every thing
>this was somehow twisted into "all sprite rotation is bad"
fuck you /v/

>>380090197
Because it started with one single autist, and I want to believe that the people defending him and his shitty criticism are not fully blown autists as well, but feel free to clear things up if it upsets you

>>380089849
You are the one having a meltdown dude. Someone just pointed a thing and you're going on about how they are having a meltdown

>>380090414
FUCK OFF FORCES SHILL

>>380090414
your original argument was this
>>380072262

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>>380090080
>if i don't like your criticism then it's not "valid criticism"
>>380090140
>if i don't like your criticism then it's "objectively a bad criticism"
It's fine, dudes. Sonic Mania has flaws. Every game has flaws. There's nothing wrong with that. It won't stop it from being a very good game. A very good game, with some little flaws here and there.

>>380089281
>>380087043
>>380072262
>>380073287
>>380073456
>>380074291
>>380074631
>>380074397
>>380075059

>I am a clueless idiot who doesn't know what tweening is

I agree that low resolution sprite rotation usually looks bad, but learn what words mean and how motion graphics work before trying to comment.

Also, not using sprite rotation means not having any dynamic boss fights like this with interesting momentum interactions. You seriously want the flat, dull and repetitive version of this boss from Sonic 2 over this dynamic one?

Not to mention some of the most renowned 2D pixel art games ever made use sprite manipulation extensively, such as Yoshi's Island and Gunstar Heroes.

In short, if you complain about this you are an autistic faggot, and if you use the word "tweening" you are a retard on top of that.

>>380090473
Not at all, I'm actually telling these retards why that criticism is stupid, instead of screaming FORCES SHILL, like a guy that's either actually having a meltdown or he is falseflagging hardcore.

You guys were already at each other's throats when I opened the thread

>>380090667
that's not me, my first post was >>380066701

>>380090764
People only give it shit because shit indie games will rely on the technique, when it's really not bad when it's in a game with coherent art direction.

>>380090761
I'm arguing that complaining about sprite rotation in the boss's arm is not valid criticism, I know the game has problems

>>380090764
>Also, not using sprite rotation means not having any dynamic boss fights like this with interesting momentum interactions.
You can do that with manually rotated sprites, you fucking idiot. These can also be cleaned up so that the object you're rotating doesn't look like shit unless it's on a flat surface.

>Not to mention some of the most renowned 2D pixel art games ever made use sprite manipulation extensively, such as Yoshi's Island and Gunstar Heroes.
The difference is that those games did it fucking right.

>if you complain about this you are an autistic faggot
This isn't your circlejerk, faggot.

>>380053920

>tfw you are hyped for mania and forces

If its as good as Generations Forces will be great

Mania also looks amazing

Why so much shit posting?

>>380091105
Hi Iizuka!

>>380091105
You can post anything you want, I can also tell you that you're a stupid autistic faggot.

The difference is that I'm right and you're wrong, nothing more stupid nigger

>>380091176
Shitposters taking sides and flinging shit and people who take them seriously.

>>380091176
False flaggers and shitposters. just ignore them.

>>380091105
You're not asking them to manually rotate it you just want them to make a sprite for every direction the drill can go which is a huge waste of time.

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>>380091105
>The difference is that those games did it fucking right.
Not that anon and it's been awhile since I've played either game, but fill me in on what they do different?

>>380091535
Literally nothing, there's no "clean up", rotated sprites still look aliased as fuck in Yoshi's Island

>>380091105

Say again with a straight face that they should spend a month drawing this drill 360 separate times instead of just rotating it.

And hint: It wouldn't have looked much better done manually. Objects made of straight lines can't be made to look clean while rotating in low resolution, this is fucking basic knowledge.

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>>380091251
>>380091269
Not an argument.

>>380091370
And on the other hand, we have the boss looking like pixelated vomit because of the automated sprite rotation algorithm. Though apparently you can't criticise this because SONIC MANIA IS PERFECT FUCK OFF FORCES SHILL REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>380091535
Automated rotation isn't used in sprites that would look terrible rotated, or it's done fast enough for it to not matter (IIRC, Yoshi's air stomp thing is an example of the latter).

>>380091176
Because Forces looks like shit and in a lot of cases even worse than Generations.

>>380091962
>it was the nose autist this whole time
That explains everything.

>>380091915
Or they could rotate the sprites, clean up the results, and use those instead of automatically rotating it on the fly because it looks like shit this way.

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>>380091962
>believing in the "FORCES SHILL" falseflaggers

What it like being this stupid?

>>380091962
It's not perfect, but your criticism is fucking stupid.

Even, EVEN if your complain was actually important, it would be a matter of taste, a personal opinion, because it doesn't look so horrible that's unnaceptable, it barely noticeable.

Kill yourself NIGGER

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>>380088228
>still being clueless nearly a full year later
That's what's sad.

>>380092410
Okay but it doesn't matter how much work they put into it because it will still be a sonic game

>>380092206
Sounds like they should have hired this autist instead of the industry veterans working on it

>>380092514
the 1, 2, CD and 3&K games weren't bad, dumb contrarianposter

>>380092138
Sorry, I don't know who your boogeyman is.

>>380092248
>what is sarcasm

>>380092332
>it would be a matter of taste, a personal opinion
woooooooow, no fucking shit, dude

I'm not the one throwing the word "objectively" around.

>>380092525
Not an argument.

>>380092514
>it will still be a sonic game
Really? I didn't know. What the fuck???

>>380092943
I mean that as in it will be bad because it is sonic

>>380092935
Then stop your stupid autistic meltdown over your personal opinion you dumbass, just stop posting and it will be over, god

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>>380089308
It's MORE than two months away.

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>>380053920
>It's Mr. Robotnik!
>He's not an egg any more, right?
>It's DOCTOR Eggman?!

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>>380091962
>"And on the other hand, we have the boss looking like pixelated vomit because of the automated sprite rotation algorithm. Though apparently you can't criticise this because SONIC MANIA IS PERFECT FUCK OFF FORCES SHILL REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
>sarcasm

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So what everyone here is arguing about is that the devs used Mode 7-like effects to rotate some sprites instead of spending several months making every single possible sprite for every single possible angle and position of single boss' attack.

Seriously.

>>380093020
Nice meme, which e-celeb did you get that from?

>>380092206

>"They should spend a whole month's sprite artist budget on cleaning up hundreds of pictures of a drill instead of drawing hundreds of new sprites that could fill an entire new zone"

^This is you. And yes it would take that long. The drill is animated, in case you didn't notice, which means cleaning it up frame by frame will lead to jittery animation unless they're extremely thorough.

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>Still no Steam ports of the Taxman Sonic 1 and 2 remakes

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>>380066763
>>380066126
we already got fanservice for malicious fingers, and it was great, and the song was great, but everyone hates the game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwlC89-X-oc

>>380093356
Yes, and they expect us to take them and their criticism seriously

>>380093318
meant for >>380092935

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>>380093114
>he still thinks it's only one person

>>380093356
THAT'S A SERIOUS AND LEGITIMATE CRITICISM HOW DARE YOU CALL ME AUTISTIC REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>380093356
Anything to shit talk a game they weren't going to buy anyway.

>>380093524
>many other people share my autism over this drill

like who?

>>380093524
Read this
>>380090472
And kill yourself

>>380093475
Sonic Generations 3DS was a lazy cash grab, yes, but the soundtrack and bosses (minus Egg Emperor) were awesome and deserve to be in a better game.

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>>380093356
ikr? it's retarded.

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>>380093828
to me it was just as mediocre as the rest of the Sonic games we were getting, including Generations

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>>380093318
Yes, that latter part was sarcasm.

>>380093356
So what you're saying is that people can't call the devs lazy for taking the easy way out when people were making at least this little amount of effort back in the fuckin' 90s.

Seriously.

>>380093454
>cleaning up a sprite takes the same amount of effort as drawing something entirely from scratch
^This is you. You're seriously overestimating the time needed. Again, this isn't the 80s. Technology has evolved.

>>380093505
>>380093581
>>380093678
>>380093895
>when circlejerkers run out of arguments

>tfw you make a reasonable complaint and get almost no replies but a similar post with a super retarded exaggerated version of the complaint derails the entire thread

>>380094056
>anime smugface reaction image

And this is when we know you're trolling. Good night, everyone, wake me when a real dilemma occurs.

>>380094056
I don't have to argue against your personal shit taste, as I said before your criticism is just an opinion, It is a shitty opinion, but it is yours

>>380094056
You have your sonichu simulator coming out too, don't worry little guy.

>>380094056
>if I reply to everyone again surely my argument will be valid

nope

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>>380094056
>>380092935
>>380091962
>>380090761
>when autism goes into overdrive

Whatever, just ignore the sprite tweening autists and they'll stop shitting the thread, at this point they are just looking for attention and any valid criticism they could give was thrown out the window very early

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>>380094193
>This whole argument

>>380094418
>it's always a retarded avatarfag

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>>380094217
>t-t-t-t-trolling!
Don't let the door hit your hurt ass on the way out.

>>380094230
>i like when sprites look like shit because of developer lazyness
Sure, shit taste.

>>380094232
>>380094312
>>380094418
>if i reply with non-arguments surely i'll win

>>380094652
>avatarfag
Hi newfag.

>>380094652
>avatarfag
Found the newfag.

>>380094719
They don't look bad, for normal standarts it looks great dummy, but (You) need to shit on something right? otherwise you can't be happy.

You're the dumbass with ridiculous high standarts

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>>380094719
>argue with muh autism PLEAAAAAASE

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>>380053920
pengus

Wow, this is by far the worst Mania thread I've ever had the displeasure of being in.

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>>380095005
>"hahaha l-look at t-this guy fishing f-for replies"
>he says while still replying to me

>>380094982
>but (You) need to shit on something right? otherwise you can't be happy.
Not really. I just spotted a flaw and pointed it out. Then the circlejerk exploded or something, as if I ever said the game will be fucking shit because of it when I don't really care that much either.

>>380095248
That's what happens when you have mega autists run rampant around here.

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>>380095248
I agree. And just because of some guy who doesn't like sprite tweening.
This board. jesus christ.

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>>380053920
>Death Egg Robot
Well I was on the fence before but that's all I needed to see. I fucking love the D.E.R.
Wish they weren't fucking blabbing the whole time, I want to hear if it has the music.

>>380095709
Unfortunately no, just what seems to be the game's standard boss theme.

>>380096297
Aw, that's too bad. Still, I'm happy that the D.E.R. made it in, it always makes me happy.

>>380096681
Honestly, I love it too because of childhood memories and the music, but it's been used way too much. Even in the Archie comics it had like six appearances while it took Final Zone and Big Arm more than twenty years to appear and none of the 3D final bosses aside from Egg Dragoon ever appeared.

>>380095552
>some guy
IT IS MULTIPLE PEOPLE

>>380094719
>sonic boom image
and there it is

>>380095709
Are you kidding me? They're using it too much
>generations
>sonic 4
>forces
>probably other things I am forgetting or don't know about, like the comics

>>380094056

>You're seriously overestimating the time needed. Again, this isn't the 80s. Technology has evolved.

I am a sprite animator who has done professional work for video games and has a degree in animation. I am uniquely qualified to estimate exactly how much time and money this shit takes, and why unlike you, I'm aware of the impact made by the fact that the sprite is animated.

>>380097158
Sure, captain autismo, sure.

>>380097420
>I am a sprite animator who has done professional work for video games and has a degree in animation.
And my dad works at Taxman and he tells me you're full of shit.

>>380091962
I agree with you, but the way they're doing it i personally think it doesn't look that bad. Everything is high enough a resolution that it doesn't look like "vomit" to me, but if they were going to make it as smooth as it should be to modernize the old formula, they'd need to make about 15 in between frames for coming off of ramps alone, on top of all the other unique shit the game has going for it. I can understand why they went with what they did. Had they not the game would've looked way better, but it's not such a bad thing that i would not play the game over it. Everything else is there, the feeling of the classics is ever present in everything it's doing. Considering how fucking incompetent sonic team is, what taxman and his team are doing for this game right now is MORE than above my expectations for what a classic sonic should look like.

>>380097567
It's not fucking possible for every reply to be the same person, look at the post times

>>380097136
I never read the archie stuff really, but I also didn't ever own 3/3&K. We had a second hand genesis with 1 and 2 plus some sports and Jurassic park.
So far I've seen it in generations and that lego game, plus the modified mass produced godzilla sized models in the forces trailers.
So it's really nice to see that it gets so much attention apparently, even though I wasn't around to see much of it in the modern era of sonic. Not that anything else from 1 or 2 was really deserving of it (since it was mostly mods to the Egg Mobile).
>>380097392
There was a Sonic 4?

>>380097971
>There was a Sonic 4?
Look at the OP.

>>380097635
And my brother works for Steam and says ur a faget.

>>380097940
reminder that every post accusing samefaggotry is bait

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>>380097971
yes it was in sonic 4

>>380097971
Yes, a multi-episode game that Sega stopped making after part 2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnlvR0OqYS8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgRtv3kx9YU&t=3s

And rightly so, because it was pretty bad.

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>>380098096
>>380098301
>>380098352
I see. What happened over all these years? What's wrong with the feet on that one?

>>380093414
Egoraptor

>>380093414
I got it from playing most sonic games

>>380077001
>being this shit

>>380053920
Now it really is just a deviantart tier fan hack.

PINGAS

these sprites don't look genesis accurate
is having that many colors even possible on genesis hardware

>>380098301
Why are you posting fake shit?

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>>380099414
It's not supposed to be Genesis accurate. They've said they're aiming for what a Sonic game would've looked like on the Saturn.

>>380099674
Oh, alrighty then

>>380099414
They're meant to look more like they're from a 32X/Saturn game.

>>380099645
Uh, it's not fake. Or are you memeing me because the game is bad and you are pretending it doesn't exist

>>380099960
>it's not fake.
It is, Sonic 4 is coming out and it doesn't look like whatever the fuck you posted there.

>>380100459
Forgetting mistakes is how they are repeated, anon.

>>380099414
They're not going for genesis accurate

>>380098897
Let me guess, all of it was Dimps shit?

>>380101032
I've played 1, 2, 3, & K, CD, SA, SA2, Heroes, Colors, and Generations

>>380099414
They're aiming for a Sega Saturn look not Mega Drive.

>>380101310
So basically you're a contrarian, okay gotcha.

>>380102149
Or, or, and this might be a crazy fucking idea, I just have a different opinion from you, bitch.

>>380101168
S-sonic was never good...

>>380097635

Your attempts to discredit me fail on account of the fact that my points were all correct and yours were wrong. You are completely clueless and I had to teach you basic facts about the design and production process. It doesn't matter if you don't believe that I have a degree.

>>380102418
So contrarian it is then.

>>380102763
Do you know what contrarian even means?

>>380103313
Yeah, do you?

>>380103580
It means having a fake opinion because it differs from the majority. Having a genuine opinion that happens to be in the minority is not contrarianism.

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>No Sonic game using these character designs

>>380104313
>liking generic anime shit.

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>>380104313
>all that sameface
Thank God.

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>>380102525
>y-yeah well i'm right anyway!!!!
Just let go, anon.

>Mania: let's have the final boss of Sonic 2 as the first boss of Mania
>Forces: OH YEAH? THEN THEN WE WILL HAVE EGG DRAGOON AGAIN AS BOSS IN GREEN HILL!!!
>Mania: let's give Sonic a new move
>FORCES: OH YEAH? THEN THEN WE WILL COPY THAT MOVE INTO FORCES AND SAY THE GREAT SONICTEAM-SAMA FROM JAPAN IS MAKING THIS GLORIOUS GAME BUT A BUNCH OF TIMES

That is sad ST

And who the fuck were those guys in that "talk-show"? One of them said "coins" didn't know shit, another was always quiet, girl didn't know shit but seems to be a chao garden fan and the host tried too hard to be funny

>>380104823
>sameface
you mean "anime"