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>Biggest gaming event of the year >Always held in Los Angeles

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>Biggest gaming event of the year
>Always held in Los Angeles
>Majority of the gaming community has to either stay up to ridiculous times or get highlights later
>The entire thing is marketed towards an american audience

You just gonna sit here and let them slap you in the face every year? Imagine if they held the con in a different region each year with different time to cater to everyone?

The game industry will never do this because they don't care about the non-americans audience.
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inb4 everyone on this board is cucked into their system.
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Yeah fuck this, I had to book the week off work to stay up for this event. Would prefer it held in europe or asia or something
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>butthurt third worlder
lmao, come back when third worlders actually pay for games. No bootlegs, no 80% off
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>>380044159
Oppressive american gonna oppress, this thread is not for you. You're part of the problem, you have to go back.

>Not a single american will defend equality if it lowers their standards of life.
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>>380043435
>The entire thing is marketed towards an american audience
that's because it is an American trade show.
if there was a big Japanese trade show I'm not going to be like "LOL I HAVE TO BE UP AT INSANE TIMES WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE MARKETED TOWARD A CHINK AUDIENCE".
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>>380044159
I do agree that if we're not the target audience, we shouldn't have to pay for the games.
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>>380044603
The difference is, this is the biggest gaming event of the year, the audience is a lot larger than TGS and also where most major announcements are made. it is a global convention.
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>>380044603
The US already has a shit ton of gaming conventions, give us this for a least one year.
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>>380044458
>no money
>wah! cater the entire industry to me!
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>>380044843
It's not global. American does not equal global when you want it to be.
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Want some non-american replies please, feeling pushed around, as they do.
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>>380045127
Ok, sorry your majesty, i'll just go back to my hut, enjoy your exclusive convention.
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>>380045421
That's not good enough. Kiss my hand and apologize.
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>>380043435
If only there were gaming conferences in other countri--
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>wtf why doesn't Tokyo Gaming Show air at a convenient time for me
>wtf why doesn't Gamescom air at a convenient time for me
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>>380045551
Murica is for muricans? am i right? fak dem dang foreigners wanting whats ours!?

Try to imagine this from our perspective for once, i know this is hard for you but just try. Don't you feel fucked over?
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>>380045889
Find, trade you gamescom for E3, inb4 no
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>>380043435
Nigga this isn't the fucking oylmpics

Everyone is trying to market to get the most amount of consumers

E3 just so happeend to make the biggest crowd for whatever reason

These things exist for reasons
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>>380046258
Maybe it should be like the Olympics
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>>380044973
>He can't keep getting away with it:The Post

>>380044843
>its a global convention
>thus americans need to bugger off

Someone is going to get fucked no matter where on earth
Moving it only changes who's getting shafted
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>>380045929
shut and place your smelly brown lips on my hand. unless you are an eastern yuro, in which case go plunge toilets in bongland.
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>>380046439
idk, this past olympics in brazil looked embarrassing
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>>380046489
We could hold it in different locations each year
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>>380045929
Europeans have been snobbs to the US for 400 years

If anything how does it feel to be left out mister aristocrat?

Besides if we can handle learning moonrunes to understand japanese only games I think you can drink a redbull and watch it live

Hell even the third worlders manage to figure it out and they got real problems
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>>380043435
only problem is they only show SHIT games there lately
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>>380043435
>blaming "American" audience
>for an event that takes place in California
it's inconvenient to the rest of America as well, OP
I stayed up until 1am last night just to see Wolfenstein 2 get announced
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>>380046746
Why
This isn't free, its for profit

Someone owns this shit and wants it in LA
Everyone else agrees

Literally whats the issue here and how will moving things around make it easier?

If anything it'd make it harder in terms of keeping a sensible schedule

Even so its not like early 1990s, you can literally get entire thing in a video format after its done
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>marketed towards Americans
I don't see a problem with this.
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>>380046783
Californian here

E3 isn't worth living here
Its more like a "well at least we have that" thing
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>>380046783
Sorry, i should have titled it "West US", Imagine if they held the con on the east coast for once?
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E3 CURRENT YEAR always sucks anyway. All the shows are showcasing shit that comes out 2018 or even further. Get the fuck out of here, if you don't have something to show for 2017. This is what Bethesda did, their showing wasn't that great, but at least they provided only showcases for 2017. Everything that Bethesda showed, you can play within a few months, period.
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>>380043435
Nobody cares what you third-worlders want. We know that for you, E3 is just the annual "games I'm gonna be pirating soon" show.

Go organize your own convention. You shitstains can make flash games now, right?
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>>380047262
Eh

if its 12 months of being from E3 its fine
So basically early 2018 is fine for me

>inb4 sony says FF7 comes out in 2019
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>>380043435
Americans are garbage people.
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>>380046973
It would be fairer to host it in different countries to help represent gaming in those regions.

But you're right its about profit, guess we gotta do what the 1% want.
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>>380047365
Americans don't care what third-worlders want*, keep us quiet so you can't hear our problems.
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>another /v-pol/ thread
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Find me an american who wants equality for all, even if it means harming their standard of living?
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>>380047783
>>380048002
get polio or something and die you peasant.
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This is a legit issue, only the rest of the world will understand
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>>380048612
Aaaaaaaaaaand point proven
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The most logical location for any event like this is the UK. Americans would see conferences happening around 12pm and those in Japan would see it at 11pm/12am.
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>>380048621
this, don't let em push you around.
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>>380048834
That does seem like a good idea, it seems like it would be better for a larger number of people.
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This thread so far is a good example of real life, the vocal minority, keeping down the little man.
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Equality for gamers, give us E3 for a year!
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>>380043435
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>>380049985
pretty much
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>>380043435
I got up at 5 AM this morning for Bethesda's conference and this really isn't a problem. It's always been in LA, why move it? That would just be too much hassle, it's traditionally been in LA so there's not much point in moving it.
Besides, Americans barely have any culture of their own, we shouldn't take this from them.
>The game industry will never do this because they don't care about the non-americans audience.
The most influential games companies, including Sony and Nintendo, are Japanese. Ubisoft is French. Rockstar is Scottish. "The industry" isn't as American as you think.
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>>380048752
I'll literally pay for your vasectomy.
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>>380050258
Go harass another thread plz
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>>380050378
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>>380050153
The industry isn't very american, so why should the biggest conference be held in america? It doesn't make sense and it gives off the wrong image.

staying up to 5am is a joke, if you think this is acceptable thats fine. But i do not.
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>>380044159
Fuck off dumb Amerifat
Your industry is cucked beyond belief
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>>380050567
The landing on the moon is a global achievement, future generations on the lunar surface should probably cover that flag up.
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>>380043435
There's other gaming events besides this one, there's no need to be so angry.
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>>380050778
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>>380051018
>The landing on the moon is a global achievement
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>>380051019
Give me another gaming event as a big as E3, where major console announcements happen that is outside the US then?
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>>380051139
Which countries discovered/invented the technology necessary for your nation to stand on the shoulders on to accomplish this?
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>>380043435
>there are people that thing E3 is for consumers and not for shareholders
How does it feel do be retarded
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>>380051263
america
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>>380051263
Paperclip Nazis are honorary hamburgers.
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>>380051339
yep, sure. Ok you can take your dumb ass and fuck off back to school
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>>380043435
America is the only relevant English speaking country
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>>380043435
>Imagine if they held the con in a different region each year with different time to cater to everyone?

Europe gets Gamescon
Japan gets TGS

stop your bitching.
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>>380051581
>America is the only relevant English speaking country
*America is the only relevant country
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>>380051581
This is how americans think, never forget this.
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>>380044843
>the audience is a lot larger than TGS

I don't think you've ever been to TGS to be able to make that claim

Faggot
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>>380051639
Trade you TGS/Gamescon for E3
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>>380051769
Prove to me it isn't then
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>>380051840

No, I just read the news after the other two are done but if you live in Japan or Europe enjoy your regional trade show.
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>>380051963
Well, I've been to both. More people at TGS than E3
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>>380052093
Thats some great evidence you got there, ok you win
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>>380044603
>trade show
Why is Youtube Gaming streaming a TRADE SHOW?
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>>380052208
That's right, now fuck off
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>>380051263
Russia won the space race.
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>>380052338
This, first man is space was russian
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>>380043435
shut the fuck up, you really want the e3 to be in one of our shitholes?
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>>380043994
>take a week off work for a fucking gaming event
If i was your boss and I heard that, I would fire you on the spot
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>>380052447
Actually, the first man in space was a dog.
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>>380050153
>It's always been in LA
It was in Atlanta once.

It ought to be on the East Coast, but all these big game companies would prefer to pay out the ass in taxes and regulations just to live in Commiefornia, for whatever reason.
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>>380052519
Jokes on you, I'm union
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>>380052475
Most american replies so far
>"shithole"
>"third world"

thank you overlords for your replies
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>>380043435
>all these people jealous of Best Coast
>all these people settling for anything but PST(Perfect Standard Time)
It's okay. Indignant envy and resentment are perfectly understandable.
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>>380053050
Another great example of how this part of the world thinks in regards to others.
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>>380043435
like what? south/latin america?
the only countries worth anything here is chile and argentina, the rest are shitholes or are on a civil war
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>>380051707
Hey, not my fault other English speaking countries allowed themselves to be made irrelevant both socially and economically
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>>380053234
>using 4chin as an example of anything
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Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo etc should try harder to hold off big announcements like the Xbox1X to Gamescom or world exclusives to show they are not biased towards the US.
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>>380043435
they are gonna rehash all that stuff and more at gamescom.
if you are from europe, that should be enough.
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>>380053979
People are a lot more honest in their opinions when they can speak anonymously.
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>>380054278
No. People also lie/ exaggerate to get a rise out of others or for amusement. This place literally made up of "that kid".
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>conferences take place at a time that is convenient for the area in which the conference takes place

Makes sense to me. Why are you complaining that there's more to the world than your little corner? You have the fucking internet.
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>>380054434
You are correct.
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Where's my wall, Trumpets?
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>>380054278
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>>380054582
Where's muh digital wall to keep the foreigners from watching our E3!?
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>>380053356
What about Canada?
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>>380048834
>have E3 in UK
>Suicide bombers kill hundreds

Maybe you are onto something>>380048872
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>>380054695
Time is the wall
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>>380054975
What if the US is paying companies to hold their conferences as times best to put the rest of the world at a disadvantage.
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>>380054949
Not sure if agree or disagree? I'm up for giving legits replies to anyone who doesn't call me a third-worlder.
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Reminder that North/South America only makes up a small percentage of the world. E3 Should be logically held in Asia/Europe to maximise expose for products. There must be something else causing companies to hype up E3 so much.
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>>380055893
Money-wise the US and Canada make up a majority of sales
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>>380043435
>It's America's fault
And? What are you going to do about it?
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I wish they would downplay E3 in favour of Gamescom
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>>380055893
North America is the most important market in the world, friend.

Plus theres Gamescom already so whats the fucking problem.
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>>380055893
It should be held in China or India since they have the biggest population out of any other country
Obviously
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>>380056056
Don't buy american products,
Vote against anything to do with america
Spread anti-american opinions

Remember they don't believe in global warming, they're now a threat to every country on the planet. They should be sanctioned as hard as north korea.
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>Tokyo Game Show
>ESL Gaming
>Many different European based game shows
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>>380056295
I 100% agree holding it in China would be better for humanity
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>>380056396
Give us E3, The US also has a shit ton of game shows already, you don't need this.
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>>380056612
How about you tell the people running E3 that, I'm sure they'll listen to you, yuropoor-kun
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>>380056612
Did you know there are things called archives, and also recording this shit assuming you have some kind of capabilities of it? Are you poor? Are you stupid? What, you can't just wake up one day and say "okay, time to catch up on this show that had a new episode released!"
And people thought Americans were incapable of common sense.
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>>380056363
>Yesss goy....sign into a deal against your own interests....it's for science! You're not against science are you?
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>>380056821
>yuropoor
You're right, i should
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>>380043435
Good, gaming shouldn't be a normie hobby.
Stay up or fuck off.
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>>380057027
How can you defend getting cucked?
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>>380057027
>We can't let people play video games, this is our thing, we invented it and we did it first!
You sound a lot like tumblr and the culture appropriation argument. God forbid some dude who's a lot less overweight and more attractive than you wants to sit down and play a video game with you and your fat, sweaty friends.
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>>380045929
>MEEEEEEEEEEE
>EVERYTHING HAS TO BE ABOUT MEEEEEEEEE
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E3 is an event for the media. Why is it so important that you watch it live?
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>>380057697
And you sound a lot like a tumblr feminist.
>I'm not a part of this but I want to be
>make concessions for me now
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>>380057763
Whats so wrong with another country hosting E3? Why are you against this?
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>>380058296
Why not Atlanta 2018?
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>>380057994
Because there's no real reason to change it? It keeps the logistics of setting everything up a lot simpler if you do it at the same place every year.
Same reason Computex is always in Taiwan, CES is in Las Vegas
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>>380057845
>thinking it's okay to let other people play games makes someone a feminist
I don't think you know what that word means, son.
>>380057994
There's a good reason. The building they use is always the best and biggest one to house not only a shitton of people but also house a shitton of video games and booths. You can't really get that anywhere else in the world, especially when some of these countries are just barely over the size of California. It's not that people are against it. It's just more cost effective.
On top of that, only recently did it become open to the public, and for about 5-8 years it was only open to press coverage.
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Of course the greatest commercial event in games is going to be held in america, it's capitalism.
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>>380058543
The biggest arena by floor space is the O2 arena in London, they speak English and its easy for american companies to get to. Is that not more optimal?
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>>380058543
You can play games you fucking retard. You just have to put effort in if you want to see pointless shit live as it happens.

Stop demanding people cater to you despite not being a part of their audience.
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>What is Gamescom
>What is TGS
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>>380043435
>Biggest gaming event of the year
>Always held in Los Angeles
I think only large cities could only handle large expos like this, since they already have large convention buildings set up
>Majority of the gaming community has to either stay up to ridiculous times or get highlights later
This is only really an issue if you want to witness these things when they're presented, I don't care.
>The entire thing is marketed towards an american audience
I've never really thought about it, if it were anywhere else would you care? I certainly wouldn't.
>You just gonna sit here and let them slap you in the face every year?
I'm not being slapped. I've never cared much for E3.
>Imagine if they held the con in a different region each year with different time to cater to everyone?
It would be kind of a hassle for people who are already too familiar with the annual event, it would be a hassle for people who annually set up the event to change it each year - I mean for a long while anyways.
>The game industry will never do this because they don't care about the non-americans audience.
E3 used to be very small. Why don't non-americans have their own events where game developers in their area can have a convention in? Why does it have to be a specific Event, why not make your own?
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>hold show in europe
>turn into red mist
>hold show in india
>turn into brown mist
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>>380058846
Why are all the big announcements kept till E3?
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>>380058836
I never said anything about catering to me or anyone else. You are reading too into this and seeing words that aren't even on the screen.
>>380058818
Not at all. E3 is a bit of a melting pot for a lot of games to be shown. You'll see western games in EU and Eastern games in Japan. E3 is to show the best of both lands Also, travel, timezones, and getting passports and such for big name companies to another land from America is a lot harder than you think. Going from where I live to just up north to Pennsylvania is about 400 dollars.
>>380059195
See the first part the second reply. It's a blend and it's usually the biggest event to show the world everything off.
>>380058893
The idea of it being for an american audience is dumb.
>We're the most popular sportscasters for the 5th most popular sport in the world!
>he says in front of a mostly american audience
>in america
>about their british sport and show
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>>380052519
My boss took the week off for e3 so I'm just sitting around the office doing nothing this week.
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sjws, cucks, libtards, kikes, nu-males, niggers, spics, mudslimes, poo in loos, globalists

evil

lord kek shall free us from this suffering
shadilay
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>>380058893
- There are tons of large cities all over the planet.
- true, this is only a preference thing
- Thanks to the internet E3 is now a global event, they should at least try to talk about release dates in other regions and show prices in those regions.
- I do, i buy i games at least notice me
- At first, it would get better over time once setup
- We do, but E3 is promoted as the biggest gaming conference in the world, thus pushing other gaming events down.
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>nobody fucking cares
It's that simple
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>>380059731
Pepe guide us!
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>>380054590
Why is she sleepy
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>>380043435
> Sony conference at 4:00 am.
Yeah no, see you in the morning.
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>>380060206
See, its bullshit, every year
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>>380060196
She stayed up all night waiting for the Bethesda conference to hear Todd lie
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>>380043435
Gamescom is in Euro
Tokyo Game Show is in Japan

fuck off nigger
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>>380060532
And the fucker didn't even turn up :(
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>>380060594
PAX East/West is in the US.

E3 for everyone!
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>>380060532
I don't think we're ready to see Godd Howard again.
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>>380052687
>for whatever reason.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Valley

California has traditionally been the nervecenter of American tech and software development.
Not so much recently with the influx of hipster startups, but Atari and the like predated that.
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>>380059770
>- There are tons of large cities all over the planet.
There are, but LA is one of the few build around media and has a long history of entertainment conventions.
>- Thanks to the internet E3 is now a global event, they should at least try to talk about release dates in other regions and show prices in those regions.
A lot of regions have a lot of rules when it comes to ratings and what is acceptable to show to that region's audiences, so it could be that they don't know themselves when or even if they can release it in a certain region.
>- I do, i buy i games at least notice me
I meant that, were it my nationality being ignore, I would not care. I buy the games , not acknowledgement that I exist in some form. Although I guess people seemingly take pride in something like this happening where they live, I don't understand it but that's something that happens and I can't say that it's a non-issue
>- At first, it would get better over time once setup
You're right on that
>- We do, but E3 is promoted as the biggest gaming conference in the world, thus pushing other gaming events down.
How would it do that? E3 happens then suddenly anything having to do with video games anywhere else in the world stops?
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Its not easy for all americans
Living on the east coast is hell during E3 week
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>>380061801
>boo hoo i had to stay up until midnight once
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They've had consistent success with hosting it at that location, so why would they bother changing it? It doesn't benefit them in any way to move the location. Just watch a VOD on twitch or something. There will be E3 threads for days on /v/, so you won't miss out on the shitposting. I don't understand what there is to get upset over.
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>>380043435
You realize there's a big gaming event in almost every territory, right? E3 is in the US, Gamescom is in Germany, Paris Games Week is in France, TGS is in Japan.
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>>380061956

we gotta stay up til midnight every night for shit

it must be cool having prime time/new tv shit come on at 6pm instead of 9pm.
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>>380043435
A convention in America caters to American audiences? Please, tell me more. this is very intriguing.
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>>380062164
>Paris Games Week is in France

Of COURSE they named it after Fashion Week.
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>>380043435
TGS in New York when?
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why haven`t white first world countries developed the concept of resignation?
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>>380062164
Whatever happened to the Space World?

I remember that being a thing in the late 90s.
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>euros
>even getting games release in the first place
Irrelevant market, go play FIFA.
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>>380043435
Good

Fuck Europe and the rest of the world I hope the times are even worse next year
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A decade ago, I could empathize with non-Americans. But today, we have twitch and a host of other sites that record the conference and *gasp* you can watch it when you want to. Faggots.
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Aren't most of the companies located around CA, would they even want to travel far?
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>>380047569
It's less that it's for profit and more that it wouldn't exist at this caliber if it wasn't for profit.
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>>380052553
>American education
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>>380054903

Yes, why don't they pander to Canada more? That's clearly a huge, relevant market for video games, unlike the U.S.
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>>380052519
>burgers are fine with their employers having this much power over them

And they call Europeans cucks.
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>>380063569
They just get lumped in with Americans. They should feel pricledged actually.
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>>380061615
- This is true
- Yeah this seems to be less of an E3 issue than just laws in other countries being shit
- I mean like, I'm buying your products and enjoying them, please try to sell more of them to me. Its hard to explain this one without me sounding like a shill
- ye, it would also help promote other regions if everyone tuned in.
- Think of it like with the press conferences, "Why would I want to watch the PC gaming press conference when all the important stuff is shown at the main Xbox/Playstation ones", if you market your thing as the best it hurts the other events as not being worth the watch, if that makes any sense. "Why would i wanna watch Gamescom, it not even E3"

>>380061801
Yeah sorry i should of worded the thread better, i mean specifically the west coast.
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>>380063365
>being a human supremacist
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>>380063324
China is the largest gaming market now, but its all mobile shit to be fair.
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>>380063983
You can also just walk into a Chinese mall and get cracked consoles and handhelds loaded with pirated games.
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Are you aware that the Japanese and Europeans have their own trade show like TGS and Gamescom? What a dumb post.
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There are european conventions all the time, just nobody watches it

Sony at 3AM has more viewers than GDC and noname German Game Hall or French Video Juego Whatever
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It's because only Americans can stomach E3 keynotes.

I wouldn't even take money to see this embarassing marketing babble.
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>>380063983
This, China is the only real place to hold E3 if you wanted to maximise profits
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>>380062678
When I see third world boipucci, a feeling of manifest destiny swells in my loins.
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>>380043435
E3 isn't for the public, dumb nonwhite. It's for """journalists"""" and investors. They let consumers watch as a bonus.
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>>380064368
And this is why E3 should move about, use its popularity to promote other regions that play games.
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>>380063853
>- I mean like, I'm buying your products and enjoying them, please try to sell more of them to me. Its hard to explain this one without me sounding like a shill
I can't understand this sentiment, but the marketing part would maybe reach them.
>- Think of it like with the press conferences, "Why would I want to watch the PC gaming press conference when all the important stuff is shown at the main Xbox/Playstation ones", if you market your thing as the best it hurts the other events as not being worth the watch, if that makes any sense. "Why would i wanna watch Gamescom, it not even E3"
You do have a valid point on that one, although maybe those other conferences would announce things that they didn't during E3 which is why they have them. Although E3 does seem to be THE EVENT for the hobby.
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>>380044603
TGS fucking sucks
They keep doing the same old bullshit where they interview some unfunny idiot for 3 hours, show clips of idolshit (where all the neets pretend they like the song, and not just the idol poon) then they bring out a female dev from somewhere after she narrowly avoids getting molested backstage and they show a 10 second trailer where nico nico chat covers up the entire screen
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>>380043435
I'm currently staying up at 1am for PC Gaming Show then Ubisoft then Sony and don't give a shit about the timeslot.
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Sorry, but the USA (Canada included) and Japan are the only countries that matter in the world. Everyone else are literal niggers.
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>>380065108
>PC gaming show
Hey remember last year when the fat woman speedran buying games on Steam?
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>>380065228
Yes. PC Gaming Show is mostly a bore but there's always the hope for a good announcement which is enough for me.
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>>380061521
Yes, I know what Silicon Valley is. California's incompetent government is still stifling these companies with high taxes out the ass. They only stay there out of tradition at this point, because there's no reason to not move east where the talent is cheaper and the state governments will give tax breaks to incentivize development.
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>>380065525
>Commiefornia will collapse any day now, you'll see
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>>380048002
I wouldn't give up my well being for a bunch of people i dont know they exist and im not even american
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>>380065826
It will. Not tomorrow, maybe not in ten years but it will.

Their entire GDP is inflated by companies that could exist on South pole for all that it matters.
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>>380065826
Half of Californians are Mexican so it'll start looking like Mexico within 10 years.
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>>380043435
>E3 has been in LA since it's beginnings
>Why don't they take considerations for us who don't live in the US waaaaaa
Fuck off you casual scrubs.
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They really should have the event in NY or something in the Eastern Timezone. It'd be at an earlier time and probably better for every timezone then
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>>380046746
That's what the Game Developers Conference is for
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>>380064663
- Yeah i can't think explain it too well, I'm gonna accept i'm wrong about it until i can. :P
- This sums it up perfectly, E3 is THE EVENT everyone cares about (or at least its evolved to this). And this is why holding it in Los Angeles every year, i feel is kinda a dick move.
Like I'm not trying to be Anti-american, i'm just doing that for the (you)'s
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>>380066308
It already is Mexico. There are already a few cities in this God forsaken Hell where the majority are illegal Mexicans and their children who want to be car mechanics.
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>>380066323
I'd accept this
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>>380066656
It's just momentum. E3 is so popular because USA used to have the majority of the videogame market in the 90s.
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Gamescom, TGS, and various other conventions exist outside of the U.S.
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>>380067470
They do not build the same amount of hype as E3, gib.
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>>380066656
>- Yeah i can't think explain it too well, I'm gonna accept i'm wrong about it until i can. :P
It's not wrong to want something.
>Like I'm not trying to be Anti-american, i'm just doing that for the (you)'s
it seems people have to make threads like this to get some discussion so I understand.
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>>380043435
poo in loo
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