Shillblood

>>380015764

Tuesday, June 13, 2017 at 4:30 p.m. (PDT)

you what

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I hope you like Puppets

>>380015985
An MMO kind of soon

People who know nothing about DRK say the changes are good.
People who know little about DRK say the changes are bad.
People who think they know a lot about DRK say the changes are good.
People who truly understand DRK can see that it's fucked.

>>380016316
actually it's good

>>380016042
One can only hope. Fucking STOP ADDING SWORD JOBS

oh look a /vg/ thread without the usual circlejerk

remember when monk was going to be the focus?
and rdm was more than a shitty staff based caster?

have fun in your mists of panderia

>>380016386
show me your 480+ NBA All-Star points pre season """LeBRON"""

>>380016427
Remember when monk was supposed to be dancer?

>>380016540
DNC fags got eternally BTFO

Ishgard best city.

>>380016397
Look dude the number of fantasy combat parties that consist of two axe fuckers, three guys with books, a fucking globe, a cunt with a gun for some reason, and some retard wearing fists on his wrists is too high.

>>380016343
I want to grab that cat's thighs and squeeze them

>>380016397
name 3

>>380016831
SAM PLD DRK
what now

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>>380016640
fuck you, shes a dancer in my headcannon!!

>>380016427
>remember when monk was going to be the focus?
no
>and rdm was more than a shitty staff based caster?
it isnt

>>380016316

people who aren't completely retarded are waiting to actually test the new mechanics before passing judgment

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>>380016891
>Katana
>sword

>>380016316
I reckon we can add a few more steps to this meme

>>380017102
translator's note: katana means sword

As a Paladin since FF11, I fully enjoy the hard on the balancing crew had for the job this time. I am going to enjoy the Warrior tears as I outparse them.

>>380017102
How is a katana not a sword?

>>380016891
Just sign it with "- Approved by orange ranking FFlogs DRK (pre-echo)" and it's perfect.

>>380017102
A katana is literally a sword, you fucking-
jesus christ how are you this stupid?

>>380017226
>>380017124

wrong senpai

>>380017217

it's a knife - it only has one edge :^)

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>>380017195
M-maybe we'll even get a storyline that isn't FUCKIGN DOGSHIT
AAAAH

>KILL SOME ANIMALS
>KILL SOME ANIMALS
>KILL SOME ANIMALS
>KILL THE TRAITOR
>WAIT IM THE TRAITOR
>KILL THE TRAITOR

>GET THE SWORD
>GET THE SWORD
>GET THE SWORD
>GET THE SWORD
>GET THE SWORD


FUCK PALADIN QUESTLINES

>>380017217
It has one edge. Swords are two edged weapons.

>>380016397
We need a sword healer and a ranged sword fighter then I can play every role without ever having to not use a sword. They can stop then.

>>380017217
Katanas have a singular edge while swords have two or more edges

>>380017380
so then most NIN weapons are swords? Since they have fucking two edges? Theres your third sword wielding class

>>380017602
>that feel when NIN took your dorky GLA weapons

>>380017602
daggers are also swords

>>380017474
My favorite sword is the WAR anima

>>380017602
Some NIN weapons might as well be swords because of how huge they are.

>>380017602
Nope, those are daggers. Daggers have very sharp points, swords do not.

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>sword have to be double-edged

What did they mean by this?

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>tfw

>>380017839
that's a katana

>>380017839
That is a type of knife, as are scimitars.

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>>380018065
k

>>380018057
>>380018065
What is a sabre then?

>All this DRK is good/DRK is bad stuff

Was there new information or something?

>all this katanas aren't swords autism
fucking kill yourselves already nerds they're swords

>>380018157
A backsword...which is actually closer to a knife than a sword. Backknife didn't sound cool I guess.

>>380017380
>>380017474
>>380017550
Is a sabre not a sword? Or a scimitar? What about a falchion?

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Looking forward to bajillions more crafting ingredients in stormblud.

>Some of the more commonly known types of Japanese swords are the katana, wakizashi, and tachi.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_sword

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>only straight swords are swords
What is this meme

SAM
DRK
PLD
RDM
4 FUCKING JOBS WITH SWORDS

>>380019021
a rapier is also not a sword

>>380018498

it's semantics for the sake of shitposting

any sharpened metal stick can be called a sword but theres many types with more technical descriptions

funny story though, for a time in germany it was illegal for commoners to own swords, but swords were defined as any dual bladed steel. so the commoners developed the single edged kriegsmesser which literally means "war knife" to circumvent the law

>>380019021
5 Slashing damage job
3 Piercing damage job
6 Magic damage job
ONE(1) Blunt damage job.

>>380019021
we may as well include NIN in this list

>>380019108
>Rapier (/ˈreJpiər/) or Espada Ropera, is a loose term for a type of slender, sharply pointed sword.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapier

????????????

>>380019162
Well half of nin's weapon models are just resized drk swords and the other half is pld swords

>>380019152
Is RDM hybrid piercing/magic or is it just magic?

>>380019351
Their unenchanted weapon skill is physical (which are shit and completely pointless) while enchanted version from having mana deal unaspected magic damage.

>>380019351
I think its melee attacks are also considered magic damage, despite being weaponskills and using TP. They specify the damage as being "unaspected" in the tooltip which usually only applies to magic damage.

It's most likely so the attacks scale off INT.

>>380019451
>>380019514
Interesting

>>380019514
>It's most likely so the attacks scale off INT.
They can make the damage scales of anything as they pleased regardless of type (See NIN''s Raiton).

It's matter of which kind of synergy they want RDM to have to at this point.

>Shoulder Tackle
>It's not Shoulder Tackle
Why though?
Can't even blame memester Koji Fox for this since the icon is clearly shoulder tackling.

>>380019152
>ONE(1) Blunt damage job.
Soon my brother, they're adding PUP in 4.2.

>>380020039

I feel like Steel Peak and Shoulder Tackle got mixed up somehow.

What's the point of Starry Eyes if Hissatsu: Shinten costs the same doesn't have a requirement and does more damage?

>>380020039
Shoulder tackle is "Rakshasa Collision" in Japanese. Most of MNK's attacks are different in JP.

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>>380020195
I want to marry a cute Mammet~!

>>380020195
Based on fucking what evidence?

>>380020509
It costs 15 Kenki.

>>380020509
that might have been an error in the build since i'm pretty sure i've seen a 15 kenki version somewhere which would make it slightly better than shinten

otherwise yeah it's bad

>>380020712
Tooltips must have changed because both cost 25 on the one I have.

>>380020790
Typo
Japanese one has it at 15 which makes more sense anyway.

>>380016986
then go back and look at the announcement and video

more 8man dungeons when

>>380020790
There are a huge number of typos, discrepancies between translations of Japanese tooltips, and just outright errors where skill descriptions say they do one thing and do something else entirely in observed footage, from the media event build.

Assume that if something doesn't make sense at all, that it's probably not actually supposed to work that way.

Redpill me on Tackle mastery.

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>>380020710
Check the XIV Instagram

>>380021456
I'm gonna repeat myself: based on what fucking evidence?

>>380021403
It's shit. Also shoulder tackle is one of the only abilities that still has it's stun attached and does damage. Meaning MNKs are gimped a gcd if the boss has to be stunned for some mechanic.

>>380021403
It's shit. Earth Tackle is literally useless. Wind Tackle has some marginal use, but is still shit because it requires you to be in Fists of Wind.

Having abilities change based on stance is pointless when one stance has a damage buff that makes it clearly superior. If they want people to actually use the other stances, they need to either change the damage buff to something more situational, or give the other stances abilities which make it a DPS gain in certain situations.

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Reminder that SAM has 5 aoes (counting Mangetsu and Oga as one)
3 are weapons skills, 2 are abilities.

>>380016397

This. Subsequent Job roles aren't going to be like this again.

>>380018614
This time around we'll need 10 of the initial gathered mat and 30 crystals to make one of the intermediate mats, of which seven or eight will be needed in a recipe to make anything.

>>380021585
>earth tackle
>what if we make gapcloser, that actually CREATE GAP
Gave me good laugh.

>>380021786
Shoulder tackle is only sometimes used as a gap closer in fights, more often it's just used on cooldown for the extra damage. The knockback I can only assume is intended as some kind of CC, but it's still fucking stupid because it puts the enemy away from the MNK. Slow or Heavy would have been better effects.

>>380021551
Based on desperate PUPfag tears.

They were the least played job in XI, constantly mocked (though the job itself was fine eventually), and even if they did appear in XIV they wouldn't have all the customizability PUPfags want.

>>380021730
>a few of the mats isn't easily available without a leveled botanist/miner and even then it's at a low percentage/rare item
>completed items using the ingredient mysteriously start showing up en mass from a select few retainers
still mad about this

I really hope when Dancer comes out, that it will be a healer and its weapons will be scarfs.

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>>380021962
Hey don't be mean to PUP. You know it's the only option based on the leaks.

>>380021962
>>380022235
someone give me a quick rundown on PUP

>>380021595
What about it though?
DRG has
>Doomspike > Sonic Thrust
>Dragonfire Dive
>Geir
>Nastrond
Granted the last one are pretty annoying or might be impossible to setup for thrash but if they managed to they can actually shitout more burst AoE than SAM.
NIN has
>Death Blossom
>Katon/Doton
>Kassatsu
>Frog

>>380021969
I must have missed that. Did someone find a way to cheese the shitshow SE made of gathering and crafting during HW?
Seriously, what the fuck were they thinking.
>have the most casual-friendly MMO on the market
>claim new systems in the expansion will make crafting even easier so people that don't level everything can still HQ
>instead, take the casual side-activity of the casual game and turn it into hard slave labor if you want to so much as make a whittled stick

>>380022235
Based on what fucking leaks? You're literally making shit up.

>>380020892
It looks like she let out a massive fart, haha

What do you think it smells like? haha.
Just curious haha

>>380022773
iirc there were a bunch of accusations of hacking but no one was ever able to prove anything
given that the game is still full of speedhacking gilbots to this day i wouldn't be surprised tho

>>380022907
>being this fucking oblivious/retarded
Check XIV's instagram.

I'm not even max level in HW, should i buy some gametime, get to max and play Stormblood?

>>380022926
the minty fresh breeze of the wind crystals would cover everything up

>>380023016
>you find evidence
Thats not how this works.

When you make a claim you are suppose to back up your own facts.
I checked a bit and didn't see shit for evidence either.

>>380023016
>instagram
Are you really calling people retarded for not checking fucking instragram, a site thats normally just girls posting selfies or pictures of food with shitty filters on it, for FF14 news?

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>>380023269
>>380023292
fucking owned nerds

>>380022954
i should add that this was very early on in hw before they made the low level mats available from a vendor
there just ended up being way more items on the mb than could be reasonably available in the time frame required to farm them legit(like iirc within 30 minutes from hw's launch in a few cases) and they kept showing up on the same retainers

>making 1m of profit by flipping materia after changing servers
is gil even useful for anything
at least I feel better about having a bigger number than before

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AYO WITE MAGE
FUK U LOOKIN AT

>>380023651
1 mill isn't shit for money
gil is only useful for buying crafted gear so you don't have to grind your other characters up and buying useless cosmetics that don't matter

>>380023651
it has some use if you're trying to get world/server first with crafted gear
if you aren't part of that small percentage of people it's useful for making more gil, which you can't actually use for anything else

>>380023682
>one of the members of new day plays a lot of ffxiv
>he could be on your server right now

>>380023682
I bet they're monkeys haha

>>380023682
fucking bards I tell you what

>>380023016
check out this picture
>>380023682
>TROMBONIST CONFIRMED
This is what you sound like.

>>380024219
You're retarded famalam.

>>380024324
do you have an instagram picture to back that up?

What's the fastest way to get from 50 to 60? PotD?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI06jFY6CLc&t=0s

>When your childhood was playing videogames instead of being out with your friends

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI06jFY6CLc

what's with all sappy nostalgia ads lately

also I thought japs were supposed to be good at vidya

>>380025524
videogames are my friends tho

>>380019152

>ONE(1) Blunt damage job.

bo staff job when

>>380025524
>>380025608
>two tanks in tank stance
>caster LB on single target
Yoshi promoting shit play as usual

>>380017941
>hit the ice, they said

>>380026014
>consolefags

>>380025524
>>380025608
I feel like I haven't ever seen any MMO's appeal of conquering a challenge as a group of friends actually advertised before, despite that being what most long time players (that aren't ERP sluts) take the most joy in from these games.

Or at least that fits what I find appealing about the genre I guess.

>>380026014
>two tanks in tank stance
Literally in only one cut, around the time the adds appear.
>caster LB on single target
Yeah I'd rather see the boring Monk LB too.

>>380025524
>>380026014
>>380025608

>healer was the one knocked off and couldn't dodge easy AoE

This ad had some feels though it was pretty good. Cause clearing a EX or SVG for the first time really is a great feeling. Though the one time I ever got a server first I was screaming and bothering everyone I was so full of hype.

I feel odd that one of the best moments in my life is getting server first in a mmorpg. I should go outside more

>>380025608
>>380025524
Entire ad seems like they just ripped off Okkusenman music video and added finalfantasy at the end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsj0mY13t9s

>>380025524
That's a good ad.

>>380027369
Eh, some of my fondest memories were clearing Hyjal and Black Temple with my raid as server firsts. It's thrilling to be with a group of people you like, work hard, and overcome a challenge. The important thing is doing it with friends though, turning it into a job or just joining pug groups you don't even want to talk to is just a profoundly hollow feeling, in comparison.

Me and a buddy (who wasn't in my raid or even on my server) still talk pretty nostalgically about raiding in TBC. It's a shame I can never convince him to give XIV a try.

>>380025524
This comes eerily close to ARR for me.Doing Titan hard with a bunch of buddies (and horrible EU ping) was probably the most fun I ever had. In general 2.0 were good times.

I hope you're ready to spend tens of millions of gil on crafted gear for savage since it's confirmed superior to the AF by Yoshi

>>380025524

>hang out with friends instead
>wish you were at home playing vidya

>>380029471
I have 200 mil banked in addition to all my carfting/gathering classes leveld. I'll be perfectly fine and making tons of money selling it to you shits.

>>380025524
>Not playing vidya with your friends since day 1

>>380027720
okkusenman didn't invent childhood nostalgia

>>380029916
But it follows for the most part the same script. Memories with friends, get older, go on train and put hand on glass. Does every Japanese man just expiernce nostalgia the second he puts his hand on train glass?

>>380029471
I'm not falling for your jewish tricks, lalafell

>>380021595
>using guren on trash mobs

>>380030157
these are the people in your df runs, everyone

>>380023682
I'd play games with Big E. Why'd they take the Langston from his name anyway?

Haven't done PotD ever, but I need to do it for RDM.

Are the floord job bound or can I unlock 51-60 now and just spam it later?

>>380030309
You just need to beat 50 once

>>380030309
Unlock it now and then you can just keep resetting it.

>>380030379
>>380030592
Thanks guys

>>380030095
That's what public transportation does - it makes you wish you were some place better. And salary-man life in Japan is hell, so some place better is childhood.

>>380030294
I'm sorry I won't use my ultimate technique on the unworthy

>>380030294
They will learn someday.

>>380027720
>"wow they totally ripped off this obscure thing!"

Being melancholic while looking through a glass window as you reflect on things is a fucking cliche that is uses all the god damn fucking time and has been for fucking decades you jibbering slobbering cock gobbling retard

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Could they just not think of a boss worthy of the challenge and the hype, or was it meant to be deep?

>>380030952
what are you referring to

>>380030952
>it's called the deep dungeon because the ending is pretentious as shit
yoshi is a genius

>>380030952
doing titan ex at minimum item level is a worthy challenge

>>380029471
Of course it's superior to the AF. The AF is the equivalent of the AF from ARR, and of the i150 Whites you got from quests at the end of HW.

You're going to upgrade past the OF with dungeon drops from the first two level 70 dungeons, and then you're going to upgrade past that stuff with the uncapped tomestones you earn doing those dungeons. Then two weeks later you're going to upgrade past that gear with Omega NM gear, and probably the crafted gear will release around that time and be the same iLevel as that.

>>380030952
the bench at the end of POTD is supposed to symbolize that the strongest encounter is you and your party.

>>380030952
Considering Titan EX used to be the first major roadblock for people in the early days of ARR, i think it's fitting for a commercial centered around nostalgic memories.

Showing it with the stormblood meter thing though looked awkward.

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>>380030952
fuck you

>>380031034
>>380031189
my post isn't about titan ex or the commercial

>>380031031
incredible

>>380031152
I believe it

>>380016316
As a DRK main I'm pissed about the changes. If they had just added the skills we're already getting and pruned Unleash/Abyssal Drain into one skill that changes with DA and DD had its DA effect removed it would've been perfect.

>>380023682
I bet my right testicle they play slutglam'd BRD c@ts

>>380030157
it will be up by the time you get to the boss

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I'M UNDERCUTTING EVERYTHING YOU FUCKS AAAA

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5 hours till the live letter

>>380031841
But what if it won't man!
Well not like it matters, SAMs have no self-buff skills to coordinate all your burst damage with

>>380031325
I dunno, can you really say (for example) that it was a good thing that DRK was just perpetually gimped in both damage and utility any time that it wasn't main-tanking? Or that Scourge had any actual gameplay value beyond the fact that it did bonkers levels of damage?

I'm having a hard time convincing myself that the changes aren't positive, even if it is going to feel a little weird that half of my oGCDs have just been replaced with additional uses of Dark Arts.

>>380032275
Doesn't live letter start tomorrow?

>>380032275
Isn't live letter on thursday?

>>380031841
You know now that I actually look at Guren, it's actually way the fuck worse than Elixir Field.

>>380033303
The only reason people were so shocked by a lot of SAM's high-potency skills is because they didn't seem to realize that other classes just get lower cooldowns on skills that add up to equal/greater damage, or use multiple skills that cumulatively add up to the same potency.

Guren is also a lot worse than DRG's array of AoE oGCDs, and I'm willing to bet that NIN does more oGCD AoE potency once you start counting Ninjutsu.

>>380032770
Scourge was fine, a single DoT doesn't hurt. It wasn't too interesting but removing it is just harmful simplification that could be applied somewhere else. Also I fucking loved its animation, same thing as Reprisal. Delirium being oGCD now just boggles my mind as does the increase in MP for DP.

Reprisal might not be balanced but it was somehow unique. PLD buffs just stripped uniqueness from the other tanks, that's what pisses me off the most.

Who here /do Stormblood MSQ on main while waiting for queues as SAM or RDM/?

>>380033750
Also Low Blow is gone now and with nothing to replace it. Thanks Yoshi.

>>380033606
>Guren is also a lot worse than DRG's array of AoE oGCDs
Uh, no? Guren with all the fall off is still doing shitton more damage that DRG's equivalent, Dragonfiredive.
Also Geir is on 35 second cool down now.
And you won't be getting into Nastron spamming fest perioud because you need 1 minute for that + single target rotation for botd duration.

>>380033864
All tanks get the same stun. But it sucks that DRK lost their secondary effect where their stun resets upon parry chance.

>>380032275
>>380032934
>>380033168
Tuesday

>>380034131
I thought this Stun did no damage? Also Low Blow's animation was satisfying as fuck. At least it still looks decent on DRG.

>>380032934
>>380033168
they're doing some retarded joke on the whole 5 hours thing that happened around here with the embargo.

Except it's not funny at all. So like most jokes around here.

>>380034254
Yeah it does no damage. But they did say that they were rescaling damage formulas for players and enemies so this was probably a necessary removal.

I'm just hoping that the old animations for shadowskin and low blow get transferred over to the new cross role skills for DRK. The old cross class skills had unique animations for each job like every tank has a different Fracture animation.

>>380033837
>not saving the mainquest exp for them

>>380034543
>Will Low Blow have the same animation as Low Blow?
I wonder..............................................

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>you will never have this much fun with XIV

>>380033606
Jesus now that I actually look at it, Samurai is fucking terrible at AOE, especially when you consider diminishing returns.

>>380034995
I used to back when I was new

>>380034995
Hey I have that headset. It's broken.

>>380033960
Dragonfire Dive is 300 potency every two minutes. Compared to Guren, DRG is behind by 500 potency.

Geirskogul is 220 potency on a 35 second cooldown. That fits three times into the 120s cooldown on Guren/Dragonfire, with 15s to spare. Three Geirskoguls are 660 potency. Combine that with Dragonfire and you're at 960 to SAM's 800. With no damage falloff whatsoever.

Now take into account that DRG has BfB, and that Guren consumes Kenki.

>>380035134
No it isn't?

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>>380034995
>wiping to titan in AF3 gear
>15 seconds left before the instance times out

>>380035353
Maybe they were doing it ilevel synced.

>>380034995
Why the fuck aren't they just all playing together in the same room?

>>380035353
>The new wondrous tails requires you to do it with min item level

>>380035134
Yeah they're not great. They end up with an average weaponskill AoE potency of about 192 (Fuga > Mangestu > Fuga > Oka > Tenka Goken), which generates 30 Kenki, average 6 Kenki per GCD.

Their spammable Kenki consumer for AoE is Kyuten, which is 150p/25 Kenki, so 6 potency per Kenki. Guren can kind of be looked at as 500 potency on a 2m cooldown (it costs 50 Kenki, which would otherwise get you 2 Kyutens for 300 potency).

All in all, at 6p/Kenki and 6 Kenki/GCD, their AoE is 228/GCD on average*, plus a 500 potency oGCD on a 2m cooldown. It's actually relatively high potency per weaponskill (counting Kyuten as part of their overall weaponskill rotation), but Guren is unimpressive compared to every other melee's AoE oGCD suite.

*In reality, a little less than this, because it takes them 2 GCDs every 30s to refresh their 15 % damage buff from Jinpu, which DRG can do in one with Heavy Thrust.

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So, did they make a skill that is somehow worse than Dissipation?

I tried to get all my crafters up at once in a week. Only succeeded in getting half into 30s and half to 25, then ran out of cash. Man, all I wanted was to make primal rapiers.

so you guys think SAM will be the new BLM in terms of people fucking up their rotation and their DPS goes down by 50%?

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>>380036320
Please stop posting this, I'm maining MCH in SB

>>380036130
They also did everything 10% faster from Shifu buff.

>>380036130
It's better to buff Tenka Goken with Kaiten than spend the Kenki on Kyuten.

Kaiten + Tenka = 180 potency increase for 20 Kenki
Kyuten = 150 potency for 25 Kenki

>>380036320
It'll be used for wildfire and that's it

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>>380036021
>just do the roulettes and easiest max level shit
>ignore completely the old shit you can't assume randoms know or remember the mechanics of because they sure as fuck aren't going to want to learn

>>380036516
I literally don't see a single reason to play MCH over any other DD in HW other than the fact that they have guns.

>>380036504
Uh, no. Their rotation is very forgiving.

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>>380036320
Maybe your turret is now something you only temporarily have active instead of something you place down and forget for the rest of the fight.
Meaning you would want to use that ability before it disappears/deactivates.

>>380036584
Unless it is the last WF in a phase/fight it seems like a DPS loss overall. Especially since you need your turrets to provide the DPS buff on mobs.

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>>380036632
I can think of one BIG HOT THROBBING reason

>>380036541
Except that Tenka Goken has diminishing returns, Kyuten does not, so above 2 enemies it seems more effective than Kaiten + Tenka.

>>380036130
That's a much better writeup than I was gonna deliver, I was damn near about to post when I realized I had retard math and would've embarrassed myself comparing it to Monk, which it's probably about even with - it's far less TP efficient but provides better GCD rotation damage while having way worse oGCDs CDs for AOE.

>>380017534
>sword healer
Why do I want this so bad?

>>380035353
the only ones on AF3 are SAM and RDM, also its synched

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>>380036717

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>>380036940
So it's Dissipation.
Now you know how it feels.

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>>380036940
>More adventures of click to place turret and nothing happens

>>380036130
You should take MeikyoShisui into consideration too then since it's only on 80 sec cooldown and is basically another free Tenka.

>>380037115
I want to bully Lilybell

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>>380037195
Stay away from my wife.

>>380037149
Or rather, use it with Hagakure for free 60 Kenki and do 2 Kyuuten + 10 spare Kenki.

>>380036940
Obviously then, the use of Kamikaze is for style kills whilst leveling or doing daily quests. The answer is so obvious. I'm going to turn around and walk away from mobs, and then explode them. It will be very epic please look forward to it.

>>380036320
This might sound bad, but there's chance it renders only the current turret unusable, so you can deploy the other for 30 seconds.

>>380037138
good, the last thing I need is more fucking buttons to press and having to micromanage a turret while doing my wildfire combo.

>>380033750
The thing about Scourge is that you pretty much had to choose just one of the following, or else DRK's damage would have gone out of whack compared to WAR's.

A) Get rid of Scourge
B) Don't add Bloodspiller
C) Keep them both but lose 5% off of Darkside

I'm not gonna get into DRK's damage compared to PLD's, because I firmly believe that PLD is going to see some fairly substantial potency reductions compared to the media event tooltips and just don't think what we have are representative of anything.

Given that choice, I'd give up Scourge every time, because Bloodspiller offers a lot more nuance, and Darkside's damage bonus is too useful to your AoE.

This is going to be a wall of text if I respond to everything else, but I'll just say that I also think that The Blackest Night is at least as unique as Reprisal was, with a lot more interesting gameplay surrounding it, without pigeonholing DRK into always trying to main-tank. You could make the argument that it could keep both, but at that point I feel like it's encroaching on PLD's territory of being the tank with good party mitigation, which is going to make up for when its damage ultimately settles down at a level below the other two tanks again.

Beyond that, I think they're just trying to move away from having high-uptime/long-duration mitigation skills on tanks, the way that Halone, Delirium/DK, and Storm's Path worked, in favor of shorter, more active styles of party mitigation.

You have to admit that Passage of Arms starts to look pretty shitty when WAR can just keep 2/3rds of its party effect up with 100% uptime and DRK can not only do that for all magic damage but can have up to 2/3rds uptime on an additional effect that adds up to even greater mitigation than PoA.

>>380037459
Let me rephrase that.
>More adventures of click to place turret and it doesn't register

>>380037726
Theres apparently a macro that helps with ground target shit not registering properly. If anyone has it on hand, pls post it. I need it for my DRK

>>380037459
Could you be any more of a shitter? They already simplified the WF combo by a lot. What next, would it please you if they took away all those pesky ogcd skills?

>>380036767
I mathed it out. There would need to be 10 or more targets for Kyuten to be worth more bonus-potency-per-kenki than Kaiten+Tenka.

>>380036320
People don't use Dissipation? I have a hard time believing this

>>380037867
not even going to lie i'd be super ok with them taking out double weaving
shit just aint possible to do smoothly on my ping, always slightly clips the next GCD skill

>>380038042
Well guess you are getting your wish then. Should be able to get everything into your WF with weaving only one skill per gc.

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>>380038172
Nice.

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>SCH will be GCD clipping hell
>excogitation will have very limited uses
>dissipation still exists, probably can't build meter when the fairy is gone
>half of your healing toolkit still isn't affected by +healing effects

>>380037878
It's a garbage ability mate.
Of all the abilities jobs get at 60 Dissipation sticks out like a sore thumb as the one that never gets used.

>>380037827
/micon "Salted Earth"
/merror off
/ac "Salted Earth" <t>
/ac "Salted Earth"

targeting a enemy puts salted earth directly on top of them. if you don't have a target then it allows you to manually place it.
if you want to use for MCH turret, replace Salted Earth with turret name.

>>380037875
Let's assume 3 targets: 360 + 324 + 288 + 150 + 150 + 150 = 1422, 540 + 486 + 432 = 1458, so in this scenario, Tenka wins.

Now 4 targets: 1824 vs 1836, Tenka still winning...

>5
2190 vs 2160.

So yeah without thinking I overestimated the diminishing returns, looks like 5's the number where Tenka becomes less ideal. And 6 would be the bottom value anyways, which is 2520 vs 2430 - It never becomes too terribly different, and Tenka is more valuable for more situations, in gigantic megapulls Kyuten would be more useful by a fairly slim margin, barely an optimization worth thinking about.

>>380037878
It has saved me several times in pvp.

>>380038576
Why would you put your turret on top of the mob especially mobs that aoe?

>>380038827
turrets take significantly less damage from AoE like SMN pets do. also it's useful for your bishop turret. you just press it and done, no need to manually specify where to put it.

>>380038827
>why would you put AOE turret in the middle of a pack of mobs
Gee whiz I dunno

Also replace <t> with <me> for Rook to just spawn it on your face.

>>380038607
Remember to factor in the Kenki costs. If you use Kaiten every rotation, you're coming out 10 Kenki ahead at the end of every 5-GCD rotation, so if you start the fight with any Kenki at all (or if you build up Jinpu and/or Shifu), you can use a Kyuten on top of Kaiten every 2 rotations or so.

So I haven't played in a while, and had no idea they changed the NA server locations, and apparently most people have worse pings. Have they said anything at all about it? I actually have better ping to Europe now, though not by much.

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>>380038607
You are going to use Tenka regardless, it doesn't cost Kenki by itself. The question is whether the bonus potency from using Kaiten on it is better than simply using that Kenki on Kyuten instead.

Kaiten only costs 20 Kenki while Kyuten costs 25. Kaiten+Tenka is more efficient until 9 targets, where it breaks even with Kyuten, then Kyuten takes over at 10 targets.

>>380039147
>10 targets
That's basically never.

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this is your Baelsar's Wall BLM for the night

>>380039262
Yeah, so Kaiten+Tenka is better in the vast majority of cases.

>>380039035
>>380039147
Ooh yeah I forgot Kaiten was 20, I was just thinking of them as equal in my head.

I have been meaning to sit down and think about how hard Samurai is fucking me (Monk main) but I haven't really gotten around to it. I'm still fairly confident in my thinking Samurai is probably about even with Monk's AOE output, or possibly higher considering Monks generally won't want to use PB on AOE, but Monk can probably keep it up for longer.

>>380039316

haha it isn't serious content guys why should I try?

>>380039081
there's a official thread on the forums where you can whine and complain about ping and post your traceroutes. but mostly the datacenter move is only affecting south americans and people on the far east coast like Virginia.

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Should probably stock up on wolf marks in case they add Garo stuff for RDM/SAM.

>>380039369
>Monks generally won't want to use PB on AOE
Yeah they fucking will.

>>380034131
>>380034254
>>380034543
>tfw no more Brutal Swing animation
End me

>>380039463
I thought the GARO event was ending with Stormblood's release.

>>380039474

This, I can delay GL3 by a few gcds on the boss if it means dumpsterfucking a huge trash pull.

Burning CDs to obliterate trash speeds up dungeon runs immensely.

>>380036320
So, what will MCH be? Try stay heated for most of the fight and go into overheat for Wildfire?

>>380039316
Was this fucker wearing all 270, because I had almost that same graph in a Xelphatol a while back.

>>380039474
I'm not saying it's not a gain, it very very very obviously is huge for AOE, but - actually why the fuck am I worrying about getting my stacks at the beginning of a boss fight all the time, the time saved on a aoe mobs is clearly better than the wind up time I sacrifice on a shitty dungeon boss.

It's a good thing I'm switching to Paladin I'm apparently too godamn retarded to play a DPS.

>>380039706
That seems to be the idea but it's better to wait until release to see the numbers

>>380039630
It will keep going.
Probably until like 4.1 or something.

>>380039724
nah, it's a mishmash of a bunch of things across 200-250 and a piety melded main hand for some reason

>>380039316
I guess it's a BLM that just hit 60 and played BLM during ARR, to be fair, giving their main game changer and the main reason you would want to stay in Enochian as the very last skill is fucking retarded, the order in which they gave their new skills should've been Sharpcast>Enochian>Fire IV>Blizzard IV>Ley Lines, giving Fire IV as the last skill was probably designed by the same genius that gave PLD their tanking stance at 40.

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>>380037195
No!

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Im the person who asked yesterday what to switch from my cat to and though about female Highlander, how would you rate the following one?

Note: Picture taken in benchmark

>>380040396
Wouldn't give her the pony tail.

>>380040396
downvote

>>380040286
it doesn't even look like a lv50 rotation considering there's no Thunder, and i should also add that those were all max mana Flares

I think they should just give Enochian, F4 and B4 at the same time because of how these all tie together. landing in a mid 50-60 dungeon is the worst

>>380040396
boring
cats are cute, why would you change it?

>>380040396
looks bad mate, also this isn't the thread for that.

>>380040923
Cats are shit that's why

>>380040396
Great/10. Keep on keeping on, anon.

>>380040463
On a closer look, yeah, seems it doesn't fit as well as at a first glance.

>>380040837
What you think is wrong? Just going to take some feedback and go back to adjusting.

>>380040923
Horrendous clipping with everything and __male cat voicelines can be.. very bad at times.

>>380019021
We need a duel wield tank silly

>>380041219
Dancer tank with swords

>>380041096
Just make a female cat then faggot. I haven't ever noticed any clipping with mine, and it's one of the most surprising things in this game. Every headgear has holes for the ears or something of the sort. Same thing for the tail.

>>380025608
>>380025524
I don't remember that feeling of happiness after clearing challenging content with your friends anymore. When was the last time you felt it?

>>380041096
>What do you think is wrong?
I can't place it exactly. Perhaps its the way the hair and the skin colour clash, or the kinda ugly facial expression. I think the skincolour is a big part of it, she looks like shes covered in dirt rather than that actually being her skincolour

at the end of the day its your character though, if you like that then go with it.

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>>380039316
you are like a little baby

watch this

>>380041335
there's ear holes, or the hat covers the ears as well or leaves them bare, but there's no tail holes. Tails just clip through

>>380041395
>tfw i've got recordings of me and my friends beating bosses that had stumped us for the first time in WoW, with all the voice chat in included
I like to rewatch them from time to time, they're good memories.

>>380041395
T11 Our White Mage died in his sleep while we were progressing through T12

>>380041834
You're kidding right?
Tell me you are

>>380041505
gear carried over from 1.0 has tail holes, as well as some random gear here and there.

>>380042019
I am not. Get up and move around every once in a while, circulation problems will literally kill you.

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>>380041834
I-in game.. right? haha

>>380041436
Good pointers. The face could use bit more adjustments, though it could also be worse while it does kind of give the vibes of a classmate I liked and last saw 7 years ago.

Anyhow, thanks for pointers, will now fuck off from shitting the thread more.

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>>380039316
>>380041440
This will be your DRK tonight.

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>>380042059
Problem with tailholes.

>>380042427
b r a v o


y o s h i

>>380041395
beating thordan EX with my FC before echo, still got the FRAPs recording.

>>380042427
yeah they tend to work better with gear thats "tighter" than that set, since the base of the tail doesn't move and will stay in the hole. That armour is really bulky so the hole is rather far away from the actual base of the tail. Of course rigging the armour to move with the tail is way too goddamn hard for the devs so enjoy your clipping.

When's the liveletter?

Can someone please post the CIA SCH Bane picture for me? My friend is starting the game as a Scholar and he's loving bane, I can't find the damn picture though.

>>380042985
Tomorrow 4:30pm pst

>>380042985
tomorrow

>>380042343
OVERLY
COMPLEX

>>380042985
5 hours

>>380042985
Tomorrow evening

>>380016316
I've got all three tanks at 60 and will likely level them to 70, so I can use whatever's good for progression and switch to what I feel like later on.

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>>380043219
All I can offer you is this.

>>380042343
Truly the expert level tank

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>tfw you will never get to use triple Nastron on dungeon trashes

Feels bad man.

I've noticed a distinct lack of male cats as NPCs, am I forgetting any involved in the MSQ beyond the one in southern Ul'dah? I get that 90% of cats are born female, but surely there's one guy running around out there?

>>380043587
I don't know why they made dragon eyes build off Mirage Dive, which in turns requires you to use a jump. Why not just have them build off the jumps?

>>380043695
Lore.

But mostly because male cat wasn't a thing in 1.0

>>380035973
Probably to reinforce that it's an ONLINE game, autsimo. And that they probably moved to different cities.

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>>380042343
Please understand that DRK is the hardest Tank to play for controller players

>>380043695
Theres the male cat in Crystal Tower questline. He's an insufferable faggot, just like every other mancat.

>>380043773
Button bloat.

See also : Sonic Thrust.

>>380043695
Male cats are highly represented in dangerous trades like banditry and sailing but not in up and up society itself. If they had the skills to make it in important positions then they wouldn't have left their tribes, they would have become the Nunh instead (essentially the patriarch who drowns in pussy).

>it's a newb queues for secure and forces 23 others into this shit episode
FUCK
YOU

>>380039630

Official mod response is that it will be continuing on into Stormblood for quite some time, as it was planned to be a highly extended event, given the cooperation of GARO's creator on the expansion itself. So, another 3 months or more into Stormblood was the forecast.

>>380043695
I like the MNK one and imagine he repeatedly raped the two orphan cat girls when he wasn't forcing them to kill each other.

>>380044115
Makes sense to keep the promotion going. It will probably incentivize new players to try out Stormblood PVP so they can get the glamour.

>>380044081
I probably want to hear about the details behind the PVP mode changes the most. I wonder what modes there'll be and if they'll all be at the same level since anyone over lv 30 can PVP now.

>>380043773
Everything about 4.0 is pretty confusing and thrown together.

Doing BoTD > CT > FnC > WT puts you at 25s on BoTD. The CD is 30s, so unless something goes catastrophically wrong and the boss jumps as soon as you use it, there's not a even a reason for it to be a skill anymore

>>380043997
Sonic Thrust is fine because it at least makes DRG's AoE rotation more than "Doom Spike until you're out of TP"

But Mirage Dive I just don't get. I can only assume they had this new attack that they wanted to give to DRG somehow, but they didn't know where else to add it. DRG already has more than enough buttons so they could have just done without it desu.

>>380044081
You're gonna see a lot more of that now that levels are gone from PVP :^)

When does the game go down for maint?

I still have hildibrand/scholastic/final beast tribe quest/haurchefant quest/50-60 quests for crafter/gatherers

>>380044539
Thursday morning.

>>380044006
That makes a lot of sense, I read somewhere that the 'tia ones are the men who actually do things like hold administrative and crafting positions while the nunh just sits around and fucks all day. Makes sense if you can't do the previous and can't be nuhn, you just fuck off and try to make it some other way.

Speaking of PVP, you can now earn EXP for your PvE jobs in Stormblood by participating in it. I wonder if they will add a huge exp bonus or something to frontline roulette.

How long until the Sony conference starts?

Also what did I miss so far in e3 this year; any cringe?

How do people deal with the DPS queue times? I want to level up BRD because the armour and job aesthetics are fantastic but all the roulettes take a stupid amount of time relative to the healers I'm used to playing as.

>>380044731
literally
P
O
T
D
till your dick falls off.

>>380044405
It's just to make it easier for shitters to maintain their essential job buffs. Likewise it's pretty much impossible to lose Enochian now, and it's cooldown is only 30s, so there's no real reason for it to even be a button.

But I'm sure that even with that, we'll somehow see people who lose them immediately and can't put it back up again for another ~15s

>>380044731
Mansion of the deceased

>>380044476
At least we will MAYBE have more players. It's such a pain going to the center, then have to head back to the base thanks to some maelstrom smn lala shitter, then back to center, then right back to base again when the other group caps it, then...with only 8 players available. It's so fucking boring.

>>380042343
So I just started playing DRK because I want to main it for Storm. Lvl 54 right now and running potd and dungeons to mix it up. What's my main rotation really. I kind of just put on grit and darkmind and use bloodlust to get the dmg mp and spam extend and throw in some thrusts slashes here. Maybe I just don't get how to use dark art effectively but I seem to be tanking dungeons well and not losing enmity ever. Any rotation guide out there I can look up or should I just with for storm to drop first

>>380044857
>>380044909
1-10 or 50-60 for levelling to 50?

>>380044725
Phil spencer using gamer buzzwords to describe Xbox one X hardware to normies

>>380044954
keep grit on for trash, pull as much as you and your healer can handle

for bosses
keep grit on for Two enmity combos
take grit off
maintain scourge and delirium. Use Dark arts on bloodseeker when you have mana, use delirium combo instead when you dont. Blood price and blood weapon on CD.

this will change come SB

>>380045109
51-60

>>380045109
nvm I think I'm retarded and you can't do 50-60 until you hit 50

>>380045109
51-60

>>380044725
E3 has been so goddamn awful this year.

>>380045272
Yeah you can, it only checks your aetherpool arm/armor level

>>380044710
I doubt PVP will offer that much EXP. Otherwise TOO many people will be leveling up through PVP.

>>380045272
you can do 51-60 at level 1 provided you've cleared up to floor 51 before

>>380044318

The mod promised you'll have plenty of time to get every title/gear set after Stormblood's launch, so it looks that way, yeah. I know I'm going to go full ass on it, as it'll give me a way to avoid the overcrowding in all of the new content and pass the time. I didn't progress in Heavensward's MSQ for the first two weeks.

>>380043850
Any job plays with controller just fine though

>>380044725
9h 56min until Sony.

/v/ has discovered a master game dev who works with literally everybody. And he is a furry, proving once again that furries are god's chosen people!

>>380045484
and that's a problem?

>>380045602
Yes, cause it'll kill everything else. And I don't want to ONLY PVP for exp.

I wonder if we get SAM and RDM GARO weapons.

>>380044410
What they should've done is give us a new jump and just have the eyes proc with jump traits, instead of mirage dive

>>380045695
you sorely underestimate the amount of absolute weenies in this game who are terrified of PVP

>>380045208
Thank you I knew there were better ways to use it then what I was doing. Well I'll report back here after storm for more advice if my fc can't help with that. Thanks again, DRK is super fun so far

>>380045695
I'm sure there's enough people that don't like pvp and prefer POTD to leveling, even if PVP somehow is faster (it will not)

>>380045728
Yeah, basically just turn Jump and Spineshatter into new jump during potd and add 200 potency to it. Wouldn't make a lick of difference.

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>that cute sound qiqirn make when you kill them

>>380045706
Unlikely, just like there was no lightning ast/drk/mch weapons

>>380045728
Both eyes and BotD should be traits at this point. Eyes should just proc off jumps, and BotD should activate automatically when you use Wheeling Thrust or Fang and Claw. There's no real reason for it to be a separate button now that it's nearly impossible to lose.

>>380045853
Hmmm, well, maybe a daily bonus just to get people to try it. But I cannot imagine they'd deliberately make exp from PVP better. PotD will stay the most optimal way cause it's literal brain cancer.

>>380045706
most likely

>>380046089
Ramuhs weapons were added back in 3.3~ man.

>>380046287
the FFXIII event not the Primal Ramuh.

EA approaches you to make one new ability for one Job. What's it do?

>>380046089
The Lightning event? That happend long before Heavensward. Garo event will carry over Stormblood, so it's likely that we'll get one. Maybe even two new titles.

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>>380043219
>>380043443

>>380046435
makes you do more damage than the other jobs

>>380046512
Thank you friend.

>>380046435
A move with a flashy animation that deals really low damage unless you use another move before it. Or maybe a buff that increases damage by a certain percentage for you and your group.