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Editors at IGN already upset about the premise of The Last Night.

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Editors at IGN already upset about the premise of The Last Night. Will this be the Trump of video games?
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Yes, not having to work can result in you being a lazy shit. Especially if that becomes popular in society. Not a difficult concept to understand.
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>>379986697
>cyberpunk
>communist roots

wtf
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>>379986697
can someone tell me what's wrong with the game description I have no idea what is wrong from what I am reading.

please don't call me a poltard
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>>379987792
No. He's not wrong in saying that the original core of cyberpunk is the opposition to dystopic megacorporations that secretly control the world.
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>>379986697
fucking commie gook
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>>379988154

A game dares to socialism/communism bad.
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>>379986697
Cyberpunk has always been depressing & dark, borderline apocalyptic

If you want a happy future that will never exist, go play Overwatch

Fucking stupid liberals, bunch of children
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>>379988154
the game is suggesting that all fun and no work makes humans degenerate
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>>379988154
Leftist want universal basic income so that they can live i degenerate life style without contributing to the community.

Game shows a perspective that universal basic income would cause major problems with society becoming unskilled and useless.

Commies hate it
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>>379986697
NeoGAF is currently losing their god damn minds

31 pages of REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>379988715
ironically /pol/ is the biggest proof of this theory
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>>379988154
There's nothing wrong with it, and it's a theme that's already been done in vidya quite a bit. It's a dystopia defined by complacency and sloth as opposed to greed.
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>>379988186
>"being against sexism means you're a feminist"
That's what you sound like.
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>>379988715
As a NEET living on NEETbux for 5 years and I don't care about anything I agree with that.
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>writer dares to posit something other than exactly what i envision

>wow wtf this is TOTALLY not okay like what are they thinking smdh #boycott #findthecreatorandexectuehim

gettin' kinda tired of this bullshit
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?? her question is explained in the game description

creativity is killed because even the robots can do art
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>>379988672
fpbp
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>>379989094
it only reads headlines dude
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>>379989094
She's retarded. What do you expect?
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>>379988929
Not him, but he's saying it's technically correct. Cyberpunk once referred to actual punks in a futuristic setting rebelling against corporate overlords. That's not to say that there is anything wrong with portraying an alternate take on the idea, or using the more modern/generalized definition of cyberpunk to refer to it.
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>>379986697
Can't wait till cyberpunk 2077 absolutely triggers the hell of these SJW when it fails to take a SJW point of view.

i would trust CD Projekt red with my life
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To me, cyberpunk just means advanced technology juxtaposed with destitute quality of life. The traditional interpretation of this would be something like Deus Ex, depicting how advanced body modification results in the creation of new social divides and oppression of those without access to new technologies. That's the typical interpretation, which is often just a metaphor for the same social issues of reality. But this game's interpretation is much more interesting - the idea of spiritual destitution rather than physical. Here every has access to the technology, and it leaves them purposeless. No struggle to survive.

Without any cheese in the maze, what is the rat to do? That, I find to be a much more fresh and captivating take on the well trodden genre of cyberpunk.
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>a game actually challenges your thought process

>ITS BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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have these retards not learned

have they not figured out that these sorts of witchhunts and tantrums let Trump win
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>>379988186
The creators of cyberpunk would have no problem with this variation. If anything they were pro creative and opposing viewpoints.
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>>379989413
"opposition to dystopic megacorporations that secretly control the world" is not synonymous with communism
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>>379989457
deus ex is very lite cyber punk. not quite there. watch akira
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>>379989850
No, but the editors at places like IGN are all communists.
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Just for anyone wondering:

This is getting shit because the developer posted some pro-gamergate and MRA shit on twitter during that shitstorm. 100%. That's it. He's getting blasted in those circles on twitter and the usual places like neogaf.
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Sooooo.... Game world is not ruled by megacorps but rather robot tech has evolved to the point of human obsolescence. Sounds cool and not trite.
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>>379986697
>>379988495


Fucking sold, buying this game now.
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>>379988860
>Leftist want universal basic income so that they can live i degenerate life style without contributing to the community.
We want to have basic needs covered. That's all. It's not insane.
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Cyber punk wasn't so much anti-capitalist in so much as a cautionary tales about the utmost extremes of capitalism.

How corporations can essentially turn into the state and enact control similar to oppressive communist governments.

The Marxist dipshits fail to see the last comparison.
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>>379990506
You are not entitled to food and shelter on my dime.
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>>379988672
>what is post-cyberpunk
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>>379989457
That's pretty accurate. There have been multiple variations on the general cyberpunk setting. It isn't as narrowly defined as others are suggesting.
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>>379990506
>we want free gibs to pay for needs most people spend on with money made from working
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>>379990506
>We want to have basic needs covered

Haha that's cute
I remember when i use to believe communist lies as well
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>>379990606
It happens anyways. UBI is just the next logical step.

You either evolve to the point of UBI or you go full libertarian and forget taxation and government entirely.
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>>379990506
you are not productive and have no crippling disability. stop being fucking lazy. you are lazy and you love it. get over yourself, faggot.
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>>379990806
Or you return to a sane time when there was no welfare state.
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What did she mean by this?
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>>379990506
What gives you the gall to think I owe you anything?
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>>379990969
>she
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>>379990840
It's not about lazyness. It's about grinding away 5 days a week just for rent/food.

The capitalist lie of fair advancement is one of the biggest problems in current society.

>>379990889
There has ALWAYS been a Welfare state. That's what the any community is about you retard.
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>>379990506
>We want to have basic needs covered. That's all. It's not insane.

Where is the money coming from? Genuinely curious. Because almost everyone that wants UBI can't answer the question, and all of them have literally said "to be honest, I wouldn't work at all lol, but I'm sure I would be the exception."

every fucking time. I'm not convinced anon.
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>>379986697
Communism is not about everyone being equally wealthy.
Communism is about everyone being equaly poor.
t. post-commie slav
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>>379991107
protip: hierarchies are a part of the natural world. there will always be someone with more than you. you are a lazy piece of shit
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>>379988715
anyone who's been a NEET for any period of time can confirm that's absolutely true
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>>379991107
I don't think paying for police and some basic public utilities is quite the same as receiving free money on everyone else's dime for doing literally nothing. The only people who benefit from such a system are the ones who don't work.
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>>379991079
You don't owe me anything. UBI is just a more logical way of running society and unless you want to bow out of living within a country with rule of law and all that other nice stuff, you're gonna be paying taxes that go to helping people who need it.

It costs you more to deal with all the problems that poverty cause. Delete poverty and you will find there's a lot more prosperity for everyone. Look at Nothern Europe inb4 a bunch of /pol/ shit about muslims
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>>379991313
I'm the guy you are replying to and i was a NEET for two years. it almost killed me.
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>>379988154
Literally nothing, they're angry because the developer once tweeted in support of GamerGate.
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>>379990969
>she

also, I'm ULTRA conservative, but if a game is good, a game is good. I hate that a liberal made it, but it's the same thing with movies. I used to love robert downey Jr. Tropic Thunder is my shit. I can appreciate his acting, but I HATE his politics.

hating/liking an individual piece like a movie or a game should be irrelevant.
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>>379991107
>It's not about lazyness. It's about grinding away 5 days a week just for rent/food.

So it is about lazyness.

>The capitalist lie of fair advancement is one of the biggest problems in current society.

You're a fucking dunce, I was literally homeless in my early 20s and I'm nearing 30 now with a stable lifestyle with a career and close to being a home-owner. The lies come from the socialists/communists that say all of your problems are external and that you no personal responsibility, fuck off.
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People aren't actually getting mad about an indie pixel video game

right?
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>>379991410
What is logical about shoveling money at the least deserving and incentivizing parasitism?

It doesn't need to cost us anything to deal with the "problems" caused by poverty.
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>>379991241
From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.

I don't know why liberals think this means you're entitled to a smartphone and an apartment in Manhattan.

There is more than enough resources in the world to cover everyone's basic needs. The baseline for communism is already being covered in most western countries.
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>>379991228
>Where is the money coming from?

The declining middle class & small business

With USA's massive debt & attempting to tax Corp's just moves them further oversea's, Trump's policies are actually the most sensible

Of course Trump's policies only benefit workers, so Lefties won't have any of this
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>>379990969
>gross shitty ideas
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>>379991241
>Communism is about everyone being equaly poor.
Except for those political elite brought in by the new regime
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>>379986697
It's true though. American natives get a check from the gubberments every month and all they do on their reservations is drink all day and do drugs. The few select smart ones make casinos.
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>>379991687
There is no "the world", and your needs are irrelevant.
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Is it really wrong though? If we did have UI, I'd probably do nothing but play vidya, watch anime and work out. I'd probably do YouTube and game development if possible, but if they weren't, then I'd do nothing.
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>>379991410
Oh I see, you have no concept of the political economy. Typical.
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>/v/ will defend this game whike getting triggered over Wolfenstein
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I don't care much for politics in video games, but there's literally nothing wrong with this; there are hundreds of videogames who's messages are basically "hurr durr capitalism is ebil!!!", and nobody, including myself, cares. Why is it wrong for a game to show the opposing viewpoint for once?
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>>379987331
You'd be surprised. For a creative writing class in college I tried to demonstrate that with a story and it had to be explained to them. Liberals literally do not think about the long term consequences of their communistic ideals.
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>>379990969
I don't understand, what's "shitty" or "gross" about this game?
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>idiots arguing about basic income when the premise here is that automation has rendered human production uneconomical
Once you reach that stage of development, basic income becomes mandatory if you want your economy and civil society to keep functioning.
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>>379991410
>you're gonna be paying taxes that go to helping people who need it.

that's not UBI, that's called wellfare. UBI would mean a guaranteed basic income for everyone despite their actual income. Again, it really does seem like you have no fucking clue of what you are talking about.
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>>379991228
>Where is the money coming from?
The government, which in turn takes it from taxation. There's already a massive amount of money being spent on social programs. Re-arranging it to favor a UBI system would do a lot of good and possibly even grow the private sector by increasing the spending power of the lower classes.


>>379991593
>Dunce, I was literally homeless in my early 20s and I'm nearing 30 now with a stable lifestyle with a career and close to being a home-owner
Yet another "success-story" who refuses to acknowledge opportunity and luck and major factors.

>>379991663
>It doesn't need to cost us anything to deal with the "problems" caused by poverty.

You're literally retarded if you can't see the different ways poverty strains the government in general. Current social systems are just a money pit because they do very little to actually uplift people. UBI would stand a chance of making a real change for people and letting them leave poverty for good.
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>>379991410
>Northern Europe
>A collection of countries that spend next to nothing on defense
>Have comparably tiny populations
>Despite their massive welfare state status very few people are on welfare (other than immigrants and autists)
>Economies enriched by oil production and abundance of natural resources

>Implying this kind of economy is applicable in every country.
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>>379991313
Am NEET, can confirm and it gets harder and harder to break the cycle and as time passes you just wish that you could die in your sleep and not trouble your loved ones who are extremely supportive.
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>>379991974
both look cool as shit, tbqh
i'm only here for e3 though
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>>379991687
Communism doesn't work like that. You had to wait years for a car or TV, while starving as shops were literally empty as all the food went to the Soviet Union.
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>>379991107
>>>379990840
>It's not about lazyness. It's about grinding away 5 days a week just for rent/food.
>The capitalist lie of fair advancement is one of the biggest problems in current society.
>>>379990889
>There has ALWAYS been a Welfare state. That's what the any community is about you retard.
How exactly do you think your food, clothing, or housing comes into existence?
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>>379992081
Poverty is not the massive strain you think it is, and the solution to poverty is not to shovel hard working people's money at the undeserving.
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>>379988929
That is what feminism is supposed to be. Equality and equity, not handing the whip over for women to be the oppressors.
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>>379991962
>Oh I see, you have no concept of the political economy
No I just believe in relatively extreme wealthy redistribution.

>>379992053
I know exactly what it is you retard. UBI is just unconditional and universal which means it can actually make a difference. Welfare is a joke.
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>>379992081
you make your own luck you powerless little cunt. you are lazy and have no will to better your life. fucking faggots like you make me sick.
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>>379991974
Im really excited for Wolfenstein, it's basically the only thing ive been hype for so far. So i guess you can kill yourself now.
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>>379992119
No you aren't. Fuck off.
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>>379992259
Those are produced by businesses. I exchange money for them. They are not given to me "for free" by being taken out of someone else's hands.
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>>379992295
But it is.

Northern Europe has fucking non-existent poverty and homelessness.
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>>379991432
>>379991313
>tfw neet right now
>23 years old
Its been okay for the beginnning but recently it feels like ive been dying inside my head. hard to describe but i feel like im falling apart. i thought this saying was just a cliche but there is no better phrase, i am falling apart, every day i wake up and im a little bit different and feel a bit more unstable. i feel like im losing pieces of myself as time passes.
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> Things have gotten so good that people struggle with identity and finding self-worth
> Anti-capitalist

Is this women a fucking retard?
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>>379992567
They also have the highest tax rates and anti-depressant usage in the world.
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If the game ends up censored I will boycott.
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>>379992547
> I exchange money for them, its not free
> the government should give me money for existing
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>>379992331
Both are just as cancerous. Modern feminism is the logical conclusion to first wave feminism and the destruction it wrought. Equality is not desirable.
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>>379992720
>They also have the highest tax rates
They're first world and seem to have all the consumer luxuries I know and love.

>anti-depressants
I'm depressed already. Big fuckin' whoop.
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>Bioshock shows capitilism gone wrong
>"wow, powerful. Resist# capitalism by buying this game. Goty."

>this shows communism gone wrong
>FUCKING DELETE THIS. STUPID RETARDS DON'T YOU KNOW CREATIVITY THRIVES WHEN YOU HAVE NO INCENTIVE TO INNOVATE?

Maybe, just maybe any economic or social issue taken to an extreme turns out really bad. Whether thats capitalism, socialism, communism, nazism, whatever. Everything in moderation.

I think it's interesting seeing a game challenge lefty ideals. Especially when ironically so many big and small titles are anti capitalism, meanwhile benefiting from said system.
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>>379992331
>That is what feminism is supposed to be.
"supposed to" being the key phrase.
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>>379986697
>people make games with view I agree on but is radically different from what it originates from
>THEY BROKE NEW GROUND

>people make games with views I disagree on
>"completely ignores cyberpunk's anticapitalist roots lol"

oh please, after you fuckers shitting on the people hating DmC you trashheaps lost any credibility.
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>>379992628
That's actually the best way I've ever seen it explained. Maybe it's just getting older, but even now that I'm taking college classes existence just feels absolutely mind numbing.
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>>379992547
Who runs and works at businesses?
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>cyberPUNK
>punk is all about defying the preset ideas about things
>a cyberpunk game that isn't the typical anti-capitalist thing they got going is somehow not cyberpunk
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>>379992251
Big shocker, communism doesn't work when there's a greater nation sucking you dry of resources.

Just about any nation in today's world is closer to the core communistic ideals of equal distribution.
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>>379992081
>Poverty doesn't work so we should have universal poverty

Smart thinkin' Ace.
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>>379986697
IGN is bashing it, because Zoe Quinn is against this game's developer for having supported GamerGate.
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>>379992628
clean your room anon
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>>379988154

Nothing, it actually sounds interesting. It actually addresses issues we have now and will only become more prominent. Lefties get triggered by everything.
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>>379992720
corporate tax in northern europe is a fraction of what it is in the us tho.
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>>379992848
Literally nothing wrong with Communism, it's better than capitalism that kills millions every year.

The fact that the game puts out such brainless garbage for a story which is anti intellectual at it's core is one reason why nobody should buy it when Communism is the best system for mankind to thrive on.
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Fuck yes. The game actually looks good too.
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>>379992628
this is called depersonalization. you need to socialize, it will slowly cure you. humans are social creatures, you gotta get out and talk to people man.
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>>379989668

What is it challenging? Countries like Finland show its premise straight up false.

I get more "makes you think" out of a Wolfenstein sequel.
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>>379993236
Capitalism kills foreigners, Communism kills citizens.
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>>379993236
Jesus Christ
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>>379986697
Basic Income is a pretty interesting concept. Trials have had promising results in the past, I'm interested to see the results of current trials now.
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>>379992081
>Re-arranging it to favor a UBI system would do a lot of good and possibly even grow the private sector by increasing the spending power of the lower classes.


So let's say steve, who was previously supported by food stamps and subsidized housing is now on UBI. So every social program that steve used to rely on is now gone in favor of UBI.

Steve enjoys his basic income, but one day he's feeling a bit bored with himself. He goes out and spends too much while having fun and is now left with insufficient funds for his next rent check/utilities. So now what? Steve has no social program to protect him because they've been replaced by UBI but due to Steve's recklessness he misused his monthly income. Now Steve is in a big fucking pickle. What does he do?

>>379992081
>Yet another "success-story" who refuses to acknowledge opportunity and luck and major factors.

why is it always excuses with you guys? I have worked very hard to get to where I am. Luck is just when you position yourself to get more opportunities. Guess what? I didn't fucking lie around all day, I always knew I was responsible for myself and no-one else. Grow the fuck up.
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>>379992295
End social security and corporate wellfare then.
Stop bailing out banks, shipping in slaves from next door to further lower how much work is worth raise the fucking minimum wage to a living wage and institute actual universal health care instead of this forced insurance bullshit.

Create government jobs where people are given the opportunity to work on the countries failing infrastructure rather then the cheapest slave labor filled contractor they can find.

As a matter of fact, what's wrong with people creating their own things, growing their own food, and doing without most things?
Why enforce the throwaway and slave society? Is it because it keeps certain people in power and protected? The means of controlling the populace?
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>>379992547
No, but they come from someone generally working 5 days a week to produce it.

In 3 seasons of the year, I work 7 day weeks. Usually 12 hours a day. What do you do? Do you do anything that gives you a better understanding of employment than I have?
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>>379993350
Nobody's dying in Africa or murricah then?
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THE DEVELOPER IS A RACIST ALT RIGHT GAMERGATOR

WE ARE /V/. WE SUPPORTED ANTI GG!

WE ARE LEGION WE AS ANTI GG WILL FIGHT AND DESTROY THIS GAME USING ANY MEANS WE CAN AND ENSURE THIS GAME WILL NEVER SPREAD IT'S EVIL!
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>>379993158
Leftists hate anything that doesn't explicitly push a Marxist narrative.
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>>379993412
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>>379986697
My only worry about this game is that tweet he made about it being a world where modern feminism won. Im not sure how this description and feminism relate. Hopefully he just focuses on what the description says and doesnt waste any time of feminism.
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>>379993228
>believing the headline tax lie
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>>379993512
I don't think people are being killed by businesses in America.
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>>379992771

You would never have bought it in the first place, take your little fantasy soapbox and shove it up your ass.
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>>379993512
Nig nogs will always slaughter themselves en masse, this isn't rocket science, bud.
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>>379993040
Even low-wage job such as janitor in capitalistic country is better off than living in a commie shithole. Hell, in some countries you don't even have to work to live better life.
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>>379991989
It doesn't support socialist/communist ideas.
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>>379986697
>a game pushing back against postmoderism

[RESCUING YOUR FATHER INTENSIFIES]
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>>379993412
>Now Steve is in a big fucking pickle. What does he do?
Private charity. Homelessness. Stupids gonna stupid. But this was already the case with Welfare. except welfare is predicated on a shitload of conditions and other bullshit.

Maybe with UBI, those grown ass women who still work at McDonalds in their 40s won't have to come home to cripple poverty and sadness. That's a good thing.
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>>379993628
What's it matter though? Citizens in NEU are way better off than people in the US.
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>>379990506
let me laugh at you...
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>>379986697
Hahaha seriously? Man fuck my shit up.
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>>379993236
this is bait right guys?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes
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>>379992081
>there's no poverty if everyone is poor
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>>379993782
Women shouldn't be working to begin with. If you're going to start preaching utopian fantasies, why not go all the way?
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>>379987331
>>379991986
Its not just that its the fact that some robot can do anything you do 100x better, even if you spend 70 years perfecting your drawing technique some machine will still do it better and faster then you ever will. Any "job" you want to do will be a hindrance to society because it would have been much much better off having a machine do it

You guys are both retard and have completely missed the point the game is putting forward. What the hell is wrong with you people?
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When does it release? I want to rescue my father.
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A pre-Butlerian Jihad world is pretty interesting
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>>379993812
It doesn't really. The functional company tax rates in rich countries are generally more or less competitive with each other despite different nominal levels of taxation, so it's not a real issue.
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>>379993709
That was the point, you mongo.

Given the absurd concentration of wealth and authority in China and formerly the Soviet, they were less equal than any western nation today, socialist or capitalist.
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>>379986697
>creative idea
>FUCK YOU SHITLORD GET OUT OF HERE
>completely unsubtle nazi killing simulator #8473682
>YAAAS QUEEEEEEN SLAAAAY
What did they mean by this?
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>>379988867
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>>379992771

What the actually fuck? How can a trailer and a description trigger people this badly? These people are mental ill. I see like 2 new GAMERGATE! articles posted on kia almost every day.
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>>379990506
>just the needs
>uh HELLO? its CURRENT YEAR. high speed internet, iphone with data, and an electric car are fucking basic human rights.
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>people become obsoleted by machines in every way
>there's nothing they could do a machine couldn't do better so doing anything becomes optional
>so people just thrive in the utopia their forebearers created by clinging on to brands they relate to
>somehow this is 'gross and shitty' idea even though it's basically already fucking happened and we don't even have any superhuman robots
posted from my iPhoneTM using Google ChromeTM
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>>379986697
>define themselves by what they consume, rather than what they create

wow just like today!
also she's right this premise doesn't sound cyberpunk at all.
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Funny enough this thread is making me interested and curious how the game is going to handle this topic now.
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>>379993728

Wait i don't get it

Is he for feminism or against?

I'm not giving this cuck money because he's just capitalising on controversy for his shitty pixel game.
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>>379993909
Women are easily stronger and better than man in everything so why shouldn't they work?
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>>379992771
>BACKPEDAL ENGAGED
fucking dropped
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>>379986697
don't phonepost ever again
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>>379994093
I'm not really arguing. Just stating obvious.
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>>379993728
I hope this game doesnt turn out to be some wank material for anti-feminism. The description actually looked interesting.
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>>379986697
Yes that's right, """""""""""""""Chloi"""""""""""""". I never thought I'd want to defend le aesthetic pixelshit, but holy fuck.
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>>379986697
>>379990969
>>379992771
>>379993728
/ourgame/
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>>379993892
>Tax the people right now who are currently wildly uncontrollably wealthy and redistribute it wisely.

Not fucking complicated my man. This guy said it well: >>379993442
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>>379988917
yeah i'm getting some brave new world vibes from this
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>>379993412
Steve would beg for more and blame whatever group he could of oppression.

He has been shaped by a system that rewards no effort, and as such he has developed no marketable skills.

In the off chance that he does have a skill, he will overestimate his own market value because, oh yeah, he's gotten avoided to get money for doing nothing.
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>>379993892
There's no relative poverty and that's what impacts crime.
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>>379994198
He's against, the theme of the game is that the world is shit.
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>>379993759
hope you've cleaned your room anon
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>>379990506
If you work hard you get those basic needs you tard
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>>379993662
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>>379993662
fuck off commie faggot, you le triggered by someone being pro-hard work?
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>>379991432
I can totally see that. Lived as a NEET for about 8 months and I was more depressed than I've ever been in my life. I don't think I would ever suicide, but I could've easily reached the stop eating/don't care about my health vector for eventual death if it had continued.
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>>379993512
>people on average live past their mid 70s now because of capitalisms mass wealth creation
>still die from various reasons because their not immortal
>still capitalism fault

wut
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>>379992771
>a lot of things have changed for me these last years

lmao
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>>379986697
Good. I hope this blows up in their face like Dragon's Crown did.
The more they complain the more people get introduced to a game that would have likely gone under their radar.
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>>379993236
>anti intellectual
Crypto-communist always say this about things that oppose them. Meanwhile they get their "news" from Colbert and John Oliver, and they get their education in "science" from Bill Nye and popsci magazines.
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>>379993782
>Private charity

Who the fuck is going to donate to charity when they're getting the same amount of money as every other person? And most people don't like to beg for money from other people, but Patreon Culture is so ingrained among the leeches of society now that this is unthinkable for certain people.

>Maybe with UBI, those grown ass women who still work at McDonalds in their 40s won't have to come home to cripple poverty and sadness. That's a good thing.

Why work at McDonald's when she could try get a job as anything else and make the same money? In fact, why get a job at all when she could just not work?
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>>379994307
And end up as a literal fucking slave because there's no real opportunity for advancement in the workplace anymore.
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>>379993412
Still doesn't answer where the money comes from.
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>>379993782
Bruh?
What's wrong with adult women working in a Mcdonalds?
Think they are choosing to do it instead of working at the money factory and it's 100% their fault?
The fact that you didn't immediately think that McDonalds should at least give people a living wage and that it's not supposed to be a job you can live off of is....brilliant.
It's the most brilliant brainwashing ever.
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>>379994491
>he works retail
>he fell for the college meme
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>>379994472
and "culture" from comic books and Star Wars movies
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>>379994538
taxes, retard.
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The devs are gay. If you don't follow the agenda, you become target.
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>>379990969
>gross
Like clockwork.
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>>379994481
>Who the fuck is going to donate to charity when they're getting the same amount of money as every other person?
People who have enough.

>Why work at McDonald's when she could try get a job as anything else and make the same money?
Because that's not how UBI works.
> In fact, why get a job at all when she could just not work?
Because having more than a roof and food at night is nice.
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>>379990606
>>379990686
>>379990740
>>379990840
>>379991079
>>379991228

Wow, what happened to basic human empathy? To care for your fellow man? Is it because you're all antisocial virgins, so you rage against liberals just to have someone to blame?
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>>379993918
>not getting a hobby
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>>379993918
>Missed the point about complacency with being spoon-fed money
What the fuck is wrong with you?
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>>379993442
>Create government jobs
Creating jobs does not create wealth. The government could hire millions to dig and fill ditches and everyone would be poorer for it.
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>>379988186
>dystopic megacorporations

there's a word for this and it's not capitalism

and you don't have to be a pinko to be against it
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>>379990506
So exactly like a child?
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>>379994684
Empathy does not require you to empty your pockets for everyone with less than you.
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>>379991410
>Haha look at this 95% highly educated White country with low birthrates, a population of 5 million, strict immigration & extremely low unemployment

>We should do that in America with 300 plus million people with high birthrates, mass immigration, low education & high unemployment rates.
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>>379994684
Nice job projecting
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>>379994684
No, this is just the truth about EVERYBODY who identifies as "conservative" or "right wing".

They're greedy and selfish.
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>>379994684
It's a teenager/american thing.

They're (((christian)))
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>>379993759
i like you.
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>>379994684

Teach a man to fish.
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>>379994621
Ah yes, the infinite supply of others people money.
Who pays taxes when everyone is on UBI? Do you honestly think we are going to relinquish a fucking cent of our wealth for people like you?
Keep believing our lies.
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>>379990969
I dunno, why do untalented nobodies get a job in game "journalism"
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>>379994807
to be fair our statistics are the same as Europe if you take away blacks and spics
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>>379994636
>People who have enough.

Who decides what is "enough", do you hear yourself. These people are already supporting your UBI but they would also have to protect you form your irresponsibility? no fucking way.
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>>379994886

Spoken like a true spoiled child.
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>>379994807
If you fuckers actually taxed your corporations and wealthiest citizens effectively, you could do it.

You'd rather buy weapons of war worth billions.
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Marx and Engels interpreted work as being the defining aspect of creating meaning in one's life. Their argument is that the system of work under capitalism is pointless as the majority of profits acclimated from those who work (ie. 'the working class') goes to those who barely work at all (ie. the bourgeoisie).

Anyone who's interpreting this game as commentary of the theory of communism through commentary of "all play and no work makes people degenerates" completely misunderstands the whole premise of communism. Kind of makes sense considering the whole culture of overt simplification, misdirection and anti-information on this site.
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>>379994284
The system we are in right now doesn't reward effort either.
As a matter of fact the system tells people that effort not put towards things that keep the wealthy wealthy and themselves as good slaves is bad.

Effort for one's on interests is seen as bad UNLESS they are stupid craven retards that will do ANYTHING to make a few extra dollars.
Scumbags are worshipped while people who work for their own good and arent' assholes about it are seen as selfish and scum.
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>>379994807
>let's not emulate the success of greater countries
>let's instead continue with our flawed system in a dead race towards planetary extinction

Burgerland, not even once.
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>>379994684
What happened to greed? why are you entitled to free shit?
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>>379994491
Well that's what happens when you get some shit degree with no job opportunity, don't bother with trade school/college (for a degree that'll get you a job), or not even finish high school.

Anyone can get a good job and live well, you just have to not be a retard and lazy
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My dad told me " In capitalist society, you either live within your means, or you cheat your way past them".

I feel that between torrents, bitcoin and Etherium i can cheat my way through society in the way most characters would do the same in cyberpunk.
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>>379994636
>Sir, you've already had enough money for 1 loaf of bread this month. Time for your mandatory donation to trans rights.
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>>379994954
Not skilled enough to get a job in their desired professions.
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>>379994636
>People who have enough.

That's not how it works. You can't push a system where everyone gets paid enough to live comfortably and then say "b-but charity will still function!" The idea of charity is the most unfortunate in a society get helped out by those with more luck, but if everyone is being given what is perceived as 'enough' by the government, even if there's not a universal wage and there are still people making millions while the majority makes a standard wage, fucking NOBODY, a statistically insignificant portion of people, are going to donate to a charity. Because why would they? EVERYBODY'S given the same!
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>>379990969
>we want politics in our games
>what the fuck what are all these politics doing in our games
Almost like they didn't really mean it in the first place
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>>379994982
>Who decides what is "enough",
The individual deciding to donate to or operate the charity in question.

>>379995039
The spoiled ones are the people who refuse to give up a fraction of their pie so that others might have a taste.
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>>379994893
>>379994886

Im in my 30s, own two businesses, and have a family that i support. you on the other hand, are a lazy piece of shit that is powerless to actually be productive. you likely fell for the college meme and think that the world at large owes you simply for existing. guess what bucko, it doesnt.
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>>379995041
lol, like France did before most businesses left the country? That shit just destroys small and medium businesses since mega corps can weather the storm or find some "loophole"
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>>379988154
the majority of E-Celebs, Celebs, Democrats, and liberals in general are secretly communists and they hate anything that criticizes communism which is state controlled everything.

Universal income is one of the common goals in the religion that is communism so naturally a liberal is upset about it being criticized.
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>>379995041
We try to tax them & they move away, that's why Obama ended up being a corporate drone

Trump's method of acting like a pseudo communist & making deals personally with the CEO's is the best bet these days
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>>379993442
>create government jobs
LMAO
M
A
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>>379994910
People like me? I work full time and I worked part-time through all my studies.

I'm glad that my taxes are helping the sick, lazy and unfortunate.

Without society at large there would be no need for me.
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>>379990969
I bet these people weren't even watching E3 and just jumped on this "controversy" because is late at night and they don't have work tomorrow
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>>379995219

The spoiled ones are the ones who expect to be handed a piece of pie without any work done.
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>>379995109
>Anyone can get a good job and live well,
Hilarious.

>>379995208
>to live comfortably
Nobody ever said UBI was about "comfort". It's just about being conditional and universal.
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>>379995057
the value theory of labor is horseshit and the main reason EVERY Communist state fails or adapts to Capitalism, fucking moron don't even think of responding with more Jewish drivel
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>>379986697
Cry baby bitches on Twitter who have a fucking meltdown every time they see something that challenges their ideals should all be rounded up and sent to China where they belong
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>>379995110
how do volatile cryptocurrencies allow you to cheat your way through society? you think tax evasion is really going to help you that much?
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>>379995041
Well, yeah those weapons are worth billions. Just think about how much use we can get out of them!
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>>379994684
>Empathy
By giving people free shit you're dooming them to a life of complacency. The only people who should be helped financially are the ones who are completely disabled either genetically or by accident.
Everyone who's either too lazy or fat to work deserves no empathy.
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>>379995321
>Without society at large there would be no need for me.
What did he mean by that?
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>>379986697

>universal basic income

In 2015, the federal budget for the United States of America was $3.8 trillion. That same year, estimates put the population of the US around 321,000,000 people.

If we spent EVERY SINGLE DIME of the federal budget on 'universal basic income,' everybody in the country would receive... $11,838. Per year.

No social security. No medicare. No military.
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>>379986697
Cyberpunk's roots are in transhumanism and modernism, what the fuck is this whore talking about

It's about losing your sense of identity in an increasingly automated world, there's nothing fucking "anticapitalist" about it except in individual interpretation
You could absolutely write an anticapitalist cyberpunk story, but this is kangz level of historical revisionism
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>>379986697
sounds like brave new world concepts
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>>379994886
your shit taste in games speak volumes
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>>379995374
>Hilarious
Give me a situation where you can't get a good job that isn't entirely your fault
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>>379994684
You sound like a greedy little shit. What happened to personal responsibility.
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>>379995295
>We try to tax them & they move away,
If you actually had any balls you could legislate in a way that would trap them.

Ban sales of their products or operations of their interests within your country unless they play ball. Watch them fold.
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>>379994207
>implying
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>>379986697
>the Trump of video games
You mean a useless faggot?
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buying it day one just because of this. We need to push anti-communism messages as much as possible
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I used to think /v/ didn't understand cyberpunk but maybe it's just retarded gamers in general who only know Deus Ex and no other cyberpunk
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>>379993728
I might actually have to buy this. Thanks /v/ for bringing this into my attention.
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>>379995057
>this absolute level of kike shilling
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>>379995431
It helped Al Capone didn't it?
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>>379986697
>goes agaisnt cyberpunk roots
>a world where technology has led to a progressivist zeitgeist and people violently monitor each other and self suppress to never go out of groupting
>somehow that doesn't fit cyberpunk

also

>anti-capitalist
>understand the difference between something anti-capitalist and something being anti-scientific dictatorship

considering who they are, I'm not surprised they're too stupid to know the difference

>universal income kills creativity

Yes, it does. profiteering is one of the best incentives for progress and creativity. Just look at the pharmaceutical industry and all the ineffective outdated drugs that still produced because of a lack of profit incentive.
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>>379986697
Sounds just like what happened to the Eldar. Are we going to make a sex god?
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>>379995239
If you run a business then surely you would see the value in charitable deductions on your taxes.

Helping people pays both figuratively and literally.

I also don't see how you would derive any pleasure from living in a shit society. I would much rather have the poor receive a certain amount of money to cover their basic needs than have them rise up or die.
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>>379994472
Smarter people than you have seen that communism is the way of the future. Luddites like you will be stuck in the past. Good riddance.
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>>379991313
Unfortunately true.
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>>379994626
>public baths are gay now
maybe if your dick was shorter than 4 inches youd think so
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I hope i can bond burger some sisters in this game.
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>>379994621
>he fell for the communist memes in college
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>>379995407
I never said we should embrace communism, I said that people on this site do not understand what communism fucking is.

Did that clear and unequivocal point go over your head or are you so convinced that words are tools by the jews to control you to worship globalism and you are not a wordslave?
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>>379986697
this reminds me of what happened to earth in LOGH. everyone went crazy and got fat and had sex all day and it went into the dark ages or some shit.
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>>379995321
Yes. People who work like you. Do you honestly think the uber-rich are going to care when automation replaces your work?
We're going to hoard our wealth and watch the world burn. We're greedy fucks.
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>>379995098
USA is too diverse & populated to copy Europe, why can't Liberals fucking understand this?
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>>379995509
It just can't work in this country. Definitely small, homogenous, fully developed nations. But ours is none of those things.
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>>379986697

That dumb cunt literally said "I can't deal."

This is the world we live in now. Fuck it all.

I want this planet to burn.
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>>379995057
the term i used was degenerate. As in the verb, you /pol/ fearing shill. lrn2reading comprehension.
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>>379995682

The dev himself is literally gay. And yes, a big daddy bear in a tub full of naked men is gay.
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>>379995667
>150 year old failed ideology
>way of the future

kekaroo
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>it's a lefties get but devastated over art and pretend to be "good" but are actually evil censoring cunts who want to criminalize wrong think episode
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>>379995373
>The spoiled ones are the ones who expect to be handed a piece of pie without any work done.
It's never about work my friend and that's the retarded meme you refuse to understand.

Poor people work HARD and never escape. UBI helps stack things in their favor. You never stop getting UBI because you earned too much or didn't apply at the right time or fit some arbitrary criteria.

You just keep working hard and the govenment contributes to you directly while you do so.This way when people work hard, they're actually moving upwards rather than treading water.
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>>379987331
I live on autismbux and haven't accomplished anything in the last seven years.
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>>379994198
lol the only one stirring shit up for money is she-who-shall-not-be-named. Litterally pitched her book right after cracking open the defamatory tweets. This shit is going to hurt his game far more than help him.
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>>379995239
>owning two businesses because you're a priviledged scumbag
>brag about it
>shit on poor underpriviledged people

Yeah this is the racist alt right america that Trump wanted.
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>>379995667
>Smarter people
These "smarter people" are mentally ill and live under the delusion that communism hasn't been tried yet.
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>>379995512
Yeah holy shit do these guy even get cyberpunk. this shit is normal in a cyberpunk.
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>>379995552
>If you actually had any balls you could legislate in a way that would trap them.
So basically hold them hostage till they pay you?
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wait, there are people dumb enough to think UBI won't be a disaster? Even in a 100% white society it would have problems.

The purpose of UBI is to control your money you morons. Do what government tells you, think what government tells you, eat what government tells you, watch what government tells you,etc. They will control all of that with their cashless UBI dream. Though they couldn't get rid of all cash, otherwise people will just start trading in something else for goods, like blowjobs.
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>big brother megacorps monopolies are in the spirit of capitalism
Is capitalism just like Nazi now in that it means "anything I don't like"?
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>>379990337
God, that's as pathetic as SJWs buying Gone Home because it has a lesbian. It's fucking stupid that people are so obsessed with their politics that they'll buy or ignore a game ONLY on where it stands politically. I wish people had any backbone at all anymore, and didn't require every bit of media they take on to be their personal safe space.
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>>379993728
Based
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>>379995847
okay he is gay I'm against his work now
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>>379995902

>work at a fast food joint your whole life
>>WHY AREN'T I MOVING UP IN THE WORLD
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>>379990969
The creator of the game supported GG and hates feminism.

Twitter's pissed.
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>>379986697
>universal income rolls around
>even more shitty deviantart """artists""" while nobody bothers to study engineering or other useful fields ever again
Sure Chloi. If you want to have the time to throw out more of your shitty random internet art, then so be it. But don't complain when people point out that you're the problem.
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>THE NARRATIVE HAS TO BE WHAT I EXPECT IT TO BE

Jesus fucking christ.
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>>379990506
Get a pizza delivery job.

>makes well above minimum wage through tips
>can make your own pizza without issue
>can support yourself easily
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>>379995243
Nigga. The fuck makes you think the small and medium sized business will be touched?

It will be the mega corps who're getting dicked harder then a blonde dyke in a black fraternity.
And no amount of shifting funds overseas or interesting loopholes will help.

It's a known fact that small and medium sized businesses employ the most people and there is no way a sane country will destroy the ones that keep their citizens employed.
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>>379995635
Al Capone made millions (adjusted for inflation) annually running illegal businesses.

How much money do you make?
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>>379995986
Yes.
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>>379995902
How to escape from poverty:

1: Work
2: Live responsibly, be thrifty
3: Raise your children properly
4: Your children end up in a better starting position than you did, and their children do better than they will
Eventually your family is no longer poor.
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>>379995661
>implying i dont support my family
That means my ENTIRE family you child. You have no real extended family culture in America and its going to destroy your country.
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>>379994886
>Taking a portion of other people's hard earned income is greedy

I hope you get aggressive asshole cancer.
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>>379996002
Your words fall on deaf ears.
These people aren't smart enough to even comprehend the idea of something "good" being used against them.
There are people unironically defending communism in this thread. That should tell you everything.
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>>379986697
What is the premise? Besides retro pixel graphics?
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>>379994886
The big bad world doesn't owe you a thing.
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>>379996182
That's literally what happened with ObamaCare
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>>379993412
In Aus right now they're testing a welfare system where the people most likely to blow their money on drugs, alcohol etc. only get their money on cards that can only be used at groceries and whatnot and can't be used to withdraw cash.
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>>379986697
This goes against jewish and SJW values. I don't think it's going make it out to its release date.
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>>379995939
I immigrated to the USA from an absolute hellhole in the middle east. Eat shit and die, pinko scum.
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>>379996159
>CHANGE IT NOW BEFORE I BECOME OFFENDED
>aren't you already offended?
>JESUS YOU REALLY KNOW HOW TO TRIGGER SOMEONE
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>>379996036
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>>379995219
Let me tell you my story. I do budding work. That means I do long hours, usually with a 15 minute break at 10, four hours after I start, and at 4, which is 3 hours after my lunch hour at 1. I then finish at 6. From early August last year to the 16th of last month, I worked 3000 hours. I started this work in the Winter (I'm Australian) in the bitter cold, and worked through a harsh fucking summer where it was regularly 100 degrees Fahrenheit. If my work isn't done, food isn't produced. Almonds and apples and melons and pumpkins and oranges and lemons and peaches and a whole mess of things don't grow. Most things, in fact. But because I worked so hard for so long, I have a PS4, a $2900 PC, a 3DS, a Nintendo Switch and a PSP Vita. I'm also going to enjoy a cruise in a few weeks, which should be lovely.

Now, why should I be making the same money as a 40-year-old woman who works at McDonalds for a lot more work, and harder work at that? Why would I do my job when I could get an easier one?
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>>379995848
>>379995965
Communism has never been done before, it is the perfect system before it's taken over by bloodthirsty dictators who seek to corrupt communism into a pseudo capitalist model in order for them to keep their power.
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>>379995939

>owning a business is racist

You sound like a white honky from california.
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>>379994491
strive for something better. think of it like a video game, idiot.
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>2017
>not being anarchocapitalist
I bet you faggots like roads too.
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>>379995321
Without society at large you would not have fucking anything.

You either do what it takes in some small way to keep it going or wait till you're out of work and on the street because it all crumbled around you.
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>>379996129
>>379990969
I'm confused um why is this game being attacked? how did it even get in the spot light with these people?
it just feels really random
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>>379995919
>literally who already trying to shill a book

Damn. I haven't been paying attention but did Testicle Head: The Game do that poorly?
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>>379996194
>Eventually your family is no longer poor.
That's some long game happy slave piss on my face economics bullshit.

It shouldn't take more than 15 years to leave poverty unless you dug the pit yourself through debts etc.
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>>379995098
It's like you didn't even read his post.

Truly incredible
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>>379993349
>Finland shows premise is false
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/universal-basic-income-finland-useless-says-trade-union-a7571966.html
Really makes the nogger jogger
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>>379995374
Oh, I see. So we should only give out the bare minimum, then. Wonderful.
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>>379986697
Well, the premise isn't that far off. Nowadays in western countries people already desperately seek an identity in consumption and politics because pretty much nobody means anything in a world with 8 billion other people.
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>>379996182
Big corp's always get away with it & the small guys are left with the bill

Pay attention
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>>379996492
Yes, it's a long game.
>It shouldn't take more than 15 years to leave poverty unless you dug the pit yourself through debts etc.
What other kind of pit is there?
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>>379996129
He supported GG's sensible side, aka the movement against corrupt journalism and victimizing yourself for money.

Also he tweeted he was anti-feminism but pro-egalitarianism. This angers the feminist because they have to look it up, so they just assume it means rapist.
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>>379996383
>Now, why should I be making the same money as a 40-year-old woman who works at McDonalds for a lot more work
You don't. That's not how UBI works you ignorant cunt. You'd do all the same stuff but then you too would get a little free cash at regular intervals.

UBI would only be more beer money for you.
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>>379996327
>only get their money on cards that can only be used at groceries and whatnot and can't be used to withdraw cash.


This is a fair solution, thanks for the info.
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>>379995085
What the fuck are you talking about?

Making money and achieving the level of prosperity you desire is the interest to pursue.

I'm sorry that your true calling of Tibetan basket weaving can't make a living for you but that's the world, you're only worth as much as your skills are of use to others.
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>>379996194
Not him but I hate this family meme. Why the fuck should my success in life be based on my previous family member's performance? All my ancestors are retarded drunked southerners and I'm the second person in my family to attend college. Shit sucks
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>>379996421
That IS communism. Bloodthirsty takeovers IS real communism.
You're basically admitting "real communism" is pure fiction and could never exist in the real universe.
It's fucking fantasy, it will NEVER happen.
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>>379996421
You just explained why Communism doesn't work you fucking tard. Human's natural want for power and money is always going to triumph, it's why capitalism works.
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Honestly it beats another 'evil megacorps!' retread. Shadowrun only gets away with it because of the addition of magic.
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>>379988867
No wonder it was shown at Microsoft's conference.
Kinda feels like a big middle finger to Sonygaf.
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>>379996194
Here's how reality works

>work
>live responsibly, be thrifty
>get sick
>or wife gets sick
>or kid gets sick
>or someone gets in a car accident, or gets hurt
>now all that money you saved goes to medical fee's
>because of the price of malpractice insurance, hospitals make you pay out the nose
>your insurance company drops you for being a pay out risk
>in order to save money your job cuts you back to 32 hours a week
>works two 'full time' 32 hour jobs and eat ramen so your kids can live a decent life
>too bad the educational system in the country is a fucking mess so the odds of them getting shot or stabbed at school is astronomically high
>not to mention their education is mostly fucking worthless
>You make them go to trade school rather than a college, no ivy league jew sucking my blood
>jobs all move out of the area because it's 1.23% cheaper to operate in a different state
>your child moves away seeking work
>you are alone, with very little money

GREAT LIFE SON, LIVING THE AMERICAN DREAM. ARE YA WINNIN?
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>>379996632
>anti-feminism but pro-egalitarianism.
what does this mean
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>>379996383
You are a good man. Keep it up and save your money, cheers lad.
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>>379996651
You're in for a rude awakening when you enter the real world
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>>379996610
>What other kind of pit is there?
Societal and birthright?
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>>379996421
damn you got me once, here's another (You), well earned
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This is pretty much the premise of brave new world

Just cyberpunkier
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>>379996681
>Why the fuck should my success in life be based on my previous family member's performance?
Why shouldn't it? If your family is rich you get a massive head start, if they are poor you are shit out of luck. That's reality, whether you like it is irrelevant.
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>>379996421

lul, this is the only argument these people can come up with

>i-it's never been done before!
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>Everyone getting angry at this small indie dev
>Meanwhile Trump's brother is a higher up at Bethesda & no one cares

Kek, Liberals always shitting on the little guy, so ironic
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This is more of a commentary on capitalism than it is on socialism more than anything. Not that /v/ nor /pol/ will pick on on that though
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>>379995440
This reeks of projection. When people are given their most basic needs met, they find other venues for their time. Maybe they'll volunteer or invent new things or start a business. All the people saying they'll be lazy leeches are probably just imagining themselves in that scenario.
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>>379996037
lol so mad over a game kek
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This is just proof that Conservatism is the new Counter-Culture.
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>>379996804
I'd say the same to you, but you're the "grown ass man" who doesn't understand the difference between Communism and Universal Basic Income.
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>>379986697
does this mean I temporarily have permission to get upset at sjw stuff in my games? you know cause equality and stuff...or is it still only okay when they complain and we have to take everything as an emotionless glass robot?
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National Socialism is the best system. It was so successful that capitalism and communism superpowers teamed up to stop it. It was that big of a threat. If the whole world realized we didn't need the world bank.
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>>379996130
>while nobody bothers to study engineering or other useful fields ever again
incorrect, those fields will still retain good value until they were flooded by those who were looking for more than the government pittance
this is all naturally self correcting as the population declines until we reach a nice equilibrium with machines
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>>379996890
It's more a commentary about the dangers of automation. Automation would still happen no matter the system of government.
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>>379996651
>everyone can afford to spend more money
>cost of living unilaterally goes up for everyone
>basic incomefags go back to not being able to afford rent because their landlord jacks up his prices
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>>379996906
>All the people saying they'll be lazy leeches are probably just imagining themselves in that scenario.
No, we just know how poor people operate. You are living in a bubble my man.
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>>379996421
Communism would depend on 100% of the population to be working "for the people", what do you do with the outliers? You fucking throw them in gulags, threaten their families,and execute them.

Communism will never ever work. You cannot force people to become "good and fair" (which it isn't anyways) without becoming a tyrant/oppresive state.
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>>379996857
Aare you saying Todd Howard is secretly a Trump?
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>>379995431
You will be suprised how little the rich pays but more importantly how lurcrative it is to help cheat the taxman. If I pocket 1% of every dollar I help save from the taxman for Wallstreet, I will be raking in millions
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>>379996786
Everybody is equal, as opposed to putting women on a pedestal. Usually means you're more against the people pushing feminism than feminism itself.
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>>379995108
I'm kinda groggy so i'll lack the sense to disregard your shit and answer you seriously.There is a fundamental conflict in western philosophy, every -ism in it hinges on one question: "what is the right person for the job?".

In one school, the right person is the most qualified. In ancient times that usually meant hereditary kings and rulers qualified by blood and religious superstition. Nowadays it means people qualified either through training (degrees) or by popular vote.

In the other school, every person is the right person given the opportunity. The idea that you can make a king out of a pauper, that everyone can do whatever they put their mind and heart towards. Taken to an extreme, everyone is a winner and there should be no competition; everyone is a equal.

What we are seeing are alot of idealists, whom take the latter school as a gospel. Everyone is an equal and should be given an opportunity to do as their hearts please instead of competing in a global market, thus they should be given things like food, shelter, and even a wage from the state. This way they can be productive citizens doing what they desire want to do (like being a twitch whore or shitposting on twitter). Its more than just entitlement, to them its a basic human right of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness".
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>>379995667
And smarter people than me has also opposed communism. I don't really know why you call me a "luddite", because I'm not against technological advancements.

Your whole post reeks pseudointellectual. Why would you even create a post based on your own assumptions of me? Assumptions are pretty pointless my man.
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>>379996948
>tfw too intelligent to be left wing
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>>379996251
Hey buddy. Look at the OP's image. It's right fucking there.
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>>379988968
Maybe if we let leftards live off neetbucks for long enough they'll all commit suicide.
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>>379995646
>Yes, it does. profiteering is one of the best incentives for progress and creativity. Just look at the pharmaceutical industry and all the ineffective outdated drugs that still produced because of a lack of profit incentive.

Look at all of the advances that are either silenced or outright destroyed because of profit.
It's litterallly more proitable to sell cold sore creams then it is to heal herpes.
Hell, that might be why there's so much LOL HERPES IS A OKAY FRIENDS ITS NOT BAD DONT BE UPSET ABOUT IT AND JUST BUY SOME HERPES CREAMS! WHAT DO YOU MEAN INVEST IN SOME HERPES CURES WHAT ARE YOU A COMMIE/ASHAMED?
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>>379997048
Not really, Germany was going broke that's why they went to war

But NatSoc isn't a bad system, USA was pretty much NatSoc in the 50's
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>>379997048
you are sounding pretty antisemitic anon. I hope you aren't in the EU where you could go to jail for such opinions.
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>>379996906
They wont do any of those things they will watch tv a drink beer and get fat. Young people will be roving the streets drinking and causing trouble because they have no purpose in life.
All this is ignoring the fact that as soon as there is basic income the rent for every apartment in the country will go up to exactly what the UBI payment is.
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>>379997140
cryptocurrencies aren't a deep enough or liquid enough market to save a significant amount of money from the taxman
might as well hide the money under your bed if you're just going to lie on your taxes
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>>379997253

Oh jesus, a big pharma conspirator
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one of the most beautiful games at this E3
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>>379997156
But it's been shown time and again that when you give someone free shit, a lot of the time they just keep using the free shit and never better their situation to not need that free shit.
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>>379994684

>If you don't work while I jack off all day and eat cheetos you're a bad person!

>Give me money!
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>>379995986
Why not? Isn't the idea of cucking the jews from their own wealth a goal of /pol/
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>>379996846
Yeah, you're right in that being cruel is how life works, luck of the draw, etc. But I'm still going to hate it. It's only human to feel that way.
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>>379996786
It means he's a radical centrist. Basically the fucking agnostic cunts of the political spectrum.
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>>379997082
>cost of living unilaterally goes up for everyone
Obviously part of UBI would be moderating the impact of this with legislation and tax programs for business.

>basic incomefags go back to not being able to afford rent because their landlord jacks up his prices
That's already illegal in most places that aren't retarded. You aren't allowed to price people out of their homes like that.


My version of UBI would probably have some sort of tiered system for people who earn more than $50k or something. I'm not a fucking economist.
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>>379986697
>They're getting upset over this stupid shit when Bethesda is over here charging for mods and VR updates to old games
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>>379996786
Feminism means raising women up to be equal to men.

Egalitarianism means wanting equality among people of all backgrounds.
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>>379996421
You just argued your point and destroyed it in the same sentence. Congrats retard.
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>>379997501
>He thinks Jews are gonna pay their fair share

LOL
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>>379996906
>everyone is an entrepreneur intellectual humanitarian artist, working just prevents them from doing that
You must be incredibly fucking naive to believe that. How many people would choose to do anything productive when they'd be entirely supported to do absolutely nothing?
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>>379996194
lol
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>>379995754
Communism was used by the Bolsheviks and asshole jews to destroy Russian rightful monarchy and turn it into a hell on earth that it's still not recovered from and may never will.

The same thing happened and is happening to China right now. They destroyed tens of thousands of years of beautiful culture tradition and basically their own souls to be a cheap imitation of the fucking Russia that exists only in propoganda pieces.
When those motherfuckers eventually have their civil war...oh my god it is going to be fucking bananas(no I'm not being racist by saying bananas I'm genuinely terrified)
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>>379997556
>You aren't allowed to price people out of their homes like that

The California Bay Area called and they said you're a fucking retard.
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>>379997563
Personally, I'd consider getting upset over paid mods and full-price VR updates to be stupid shit.

Just don't buy them. Problem solved.
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>>379997253
You're ignoring the good while touting the bad.
What good does communism give that capitalism cannot do for less cost?
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http://www.strawpoll.me/13167657

Come on, let's show everyone that /v/ is not a safe space for conservatives.
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>>379996187
0.70 BTC = 1,874.03 EUR

And this is every month, doing nothing, with a computer i technically do not own with power I do not pay for.
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Imagine being this fucking scared of ideas
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>>379989128
that isnt the first post, do you not even understand the shit you parrot? lurk more, newfag.
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>>379996681
Because causality is a thing.
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>>379994293
Wut? You know most criminal poor people steal from other poor people right?
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>>379997760
>The California Bay Area called and they said you're a fucking retard.
That took a very long time and was because your governments are cowards who refused to stop Chinese real estate interests.
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>>379987331
It's not laziness that chick is talking about it's creativity. Working for your money results in clones and unoriginal content that guarantees sales. See: All the dark souls clones and zombie survivals.
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>>379986697
>Will this be the Trump of video games?

You mean is it going to be the best thing we've seen in 20 years but normies and casuals hate it because they're too used to dumbed down crap?
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>>379986697
Jesus, i take a look at the tweets and comments, they're all (life, 12 of them lol) talking about how the devs are GG sympathizer and that only conservatives would take the premise seriously

I mean, i guess they have no idea Frankfurt's scholars blamed the fascist and nazi movements on the rise of the commodities of a post-industrial era? Or what psychoanalysts like Freud said about the sublimination of desire? Yes, we don't know the exact take of the game, but a pseudo-communist utopia is never going to be a real utopia

I mean, fucking Wall-E. Is Wall-E a neo-nazi, capitalist movie now?
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>Be communist
>Work your ass of and come up with amazing invention nobody has ever made before
>Government comes to your door
>This invention is for EVERYONE, you do not benefit off of it
>If you resist they will come at gun point and arrest you

>work at factory
>work extremely hard at what you do
>guy next to you does minimal effort
>you both get paid the same because in the eyes of communism you're equal
What a GREAT system
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>>379997695
*Awards Reddit Gold*
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>>379997798
>100%
kek
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>>379997815
how?
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>>379997630
>everyone is a lazy dirtbag with no curiosities or intellectual interests whatsoever that just drifts through life wit no meaning

Here have the other side of the argument
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>>379997695
this isn't real I can't even find the original article or that tweet
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>>379997798
im laffing 4 real rite naow
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>>379994703
>Implying thats going to be at all the point of this game

You're so stupid it hurts, having an extra 8 hours of free time in your day doesn't make you complacent, flipping burgers doesn't do anything for anyones psyche. It may also be a surprise to you, as you have never spend any time in a place of higher learning, to learn people are not primarily motivated by money when they get a degree that requires +120 IQ
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>>379994148
>What the actually fuck? How can a trailer and a description trigger people this badly?
>He says on the same place where people are going apeshit over Wolfenstein
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>>379997815
Tell me what you put miners in so I know how to avoid you.
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>>379997815
how?? can you give me a primer on how to do this? what is this? is it legal?
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>>379997695
>FB_IMG
>>>/out/
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>>379996121
>Implying working at fast food joint instead of higher paying job is their choice
>Implying there are enough high paying jobs for everyone
>Implying you'll move your way up in the world even if you had that job and won't stay as a low level peon because you didn't get lucky aren't a Chad/Stacey and don't know how to kiss ass.
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>>379997975
Anon...
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>>379997556
>rent control
Might as well save yourself a step and just have everyone live in govt housing. Then we can all be equal in crumbling concrete soviet bloc style apartments.
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>>379997934
just kill anyone that's slacking off. problem solved
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>>379986697
>will this be the Trump of videogames

I hope not, it seems interesting.
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>>379997695
Former Trump supporter here, it is hilarious watching him crash and burn but seriously we can't let this guy get the nuclear codes
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>>379997934
>work at factory
>work extremely hard at what you do
>guy next to you does minimal effort
>you both get paid the same because in the eyes of communism you're equal
This is already reality.
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>>379992119
Back into the cuckshed Sven, post a timestamp for this fag pls>>379992504
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>>379996906
>When people are given their most basic needs met, they find other venues for their time

Yeah. All the poor people on welfare or with shitty jobs turning to drug use is a testament to this.

Contrary to popular belief, poor people don't understand the life styles of the richer and crave what they have. My parents were both heavy drug users who went on the methadone program, and even after they had kids they still did a bunch of drugs because they could afford to. They weren't saving up for that second holiday home in Bermuda or to put us through college. They could feed us, pay the rent, pay the power, and buy us stuff for school. They had game consoles, too. All on welfare and in public housing. They didn't create because they had so much free time with us kids at school, they didn't bother getting jobs. Why would they? They had drugs they could be doing instead for the instant, euphoric high that makes the inherent sense of listlessness that being idle instills go away. They chose the easiest solution to their problems because they had grown accustomed to easy paths being the ones they took, and adjusted to the lifestyle of poor people.

And guess what? I lived in a welfare area. I knew a lot of kids who had their basic needs met, and most of their parents were drug addicts too. This isn't an isolated thing, I had many experiences of this same thing. It was almost universal.
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>>379997798
>looks at Venezuela

geez, I wonder.
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>>379997917
Normies love Trump, just not LA faggots and Jew York kikes who run the media
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Still don't understand how communist practices aren't punishable by death
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>>379998097
i heard you were slacking off anon
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>>379986697
>Cyberpunk's anticapitalist roots
Doesn't most Cyberpunk entail being in a dystopian future where corporations reign supreme?
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>>379986697

>post-scarcity
>bad


LIVE
WORK
DIE
LIVE
WORK
DIE
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>>379988154

Nothing

It's one reasonable assumption of what happens when you take away the ability to work towards something.
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>>379986697
What's wrong with a game which apparently attacks consumerism?
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>>379997815
Do you use some bitcoin exchange website to get real money? Im not sure what you could buy with bitcoin other than porn and drugs
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>>379997472
Must I define what a idealist is? Its not so much that it is practical nor proven, but the idea of "everyone can do whatever they put their mind and heart towards if given the opportunity" is something that resonates very strongly with these people. Strong enough to demand their democratic governments to implement these fanciful ideas as law.
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>>379995509
You miss the entire point of UBI. UBI is supposed to be used when automation has taken over huge swathes of jobs and the increased profits that are made from that automation are put back into UBI. Otherwise the people who lose their jobs to automation won't be able to buy the products that automation provides and shit goes south real fast. It's like automation makes it so you can produce and ship 1 trillion widgets a day, but if you only have 1 million people able to afford that widget you're going full retard. So in order to actually utilize the increased production that automation actually provides eventually there will need to be UBI.

Elon Musk probably worded it the best if you actually want to learn about it rather than just sit and spout "lul communism". It's more an end-game problem with capitalism than anything to do with communism.
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>>379986697
They can make the main character wear a hijab to balance it out the butthurt.
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>>379996786
It means you want equality but don't want to actually do anything to achieve it and that you sometimes say sexist jokes when drunk.
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>>379997957
>count the number of people you know who do nothing but watch netflix on their days off
>compare it to the number of people you know who do otherwise
Seriously, you're naive. Ask anyone who's ever been a NEET about how well your idea works out.
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>>379988186
>opposition
More like "how shit will look fucked".
Barely if any cyberpunk media has the player destroying the system, it's more about destroying this one dude who wants to make things even worse.
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>>379996906
I work for an investment agency and deal with retired people a lot. They're fucking shit, they consider the garbage man being an hour late to be a big event of the day and get pissed about that grade of shit all the time.

When you take away labor, your average human adapts to the new level of stimulation and becomes rather pathetic.
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>>379997556
>Here's my version of the UBI
>But I don't know about it, I'm a fucking idiot who doesn't know economics. Here's my expert opinion anyway, and you are all cretins for disagreeing with them!
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>>379998125
Yes, if you work in a shit workplace. In communism no matter where you go it will be like that. You have a choice in capitalism, you have no choice in communism.
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>>379998087

Nigga if my wetback illegal parents went from being dirtass poor illegal immigrants to being legal and working in a decent paying job that pays enough to live in a decent neighborhood, you can do it too.
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>>379997916
Working for your money also results in creative new ideas and innovation. See: Dark Souls you dumb commie nigger
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>>379998185
Makes me sick when people can walk around with their Che Guevera shirts, hammer and sickles and nobody bats and eye, but one nazi armband and people chimp out on national news. It's ridiculous.
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>>379998224
These idiots probably like Fight Club too.
>>
There is no greater injustice than equity.
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>>379989436
no rpg codex cuck, the devs patched in a nigger merchant because we wuz polish backlash
expect female main character, blacks everywhere
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>game where the future has become despot and shitty because people became lazy/unskilled
>people getting angry about this
Do these faggots hate the movie Wally too? Because that's literally the same exact premise except with a cute cartoon robot.
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>>379998359

was meant for
>>379998059
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>>379996486
because he said the "f" word
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>>379995667
>smarter people

The only future they will see is on their knees in front of a ditch. Intellectuals are never far behind the former ruling party.
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If the game is good who cares about who worked on it?

I miss the times I knew almost nothing about developers and shit
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>>379997990
>game that we still don't really know whats going on
>shooter made by competent devs that is a sequel to a generally well liked shooter

Not the same by a country mile you fucking retard
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>>379997815
that currency is not liquid, which makes it obviously inferior to Al's cash flow, but it looks very much like you're running an illegal business if you're using resources you don't own to obtain bitcoin
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>>379997916
And literally all the other games that are full of original ideas were made by people working for free, right?

You're an idiot.
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>>379998359
What the fuck to working to get somewhere in life have to do with giving everyone free money?
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>>379986697
>"Will this be the Trump of video games?"
>maligned by the press the world over
>people and the press CAN'T stop talking about it, giving constant public attention to something that would have been laughed off or otherwise ignored
>wins out in the end thanks to the nonstop publicity

I bet most indie devs wish their game could be the "Trump" of video games. Don't need to pay for marketing when everyone else does it for you.
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>>379996331

> Reminder that the Bolsheviks "happend" Jewish
> Reminder that "DA JEWS" were a scapegoat
> Reminder that the only reason they won in Russia was due to support from the workers at large
> If they had won in Germany no one would have giving two fuck about their religion ala the Soviet Union
> Average jew had really nothing to do with anything
> Reminder that over 100 000 jew fought for Germany in WWI
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>>379994684

Do you know the trick to empathy? It's actually finite! People have a set amount of fucks they can afford to use on other humans who aren't friends/family/community. Everyone in this thread (myself included) probably spends more on games than they give to charities, the homeless, etc.

It's pretty fucked but that's the way things are
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>>379998269
>tfw I actually like the way hijabs look on people but hate the religion their associated with
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>>379998260
this anon knows his shit at least
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>>379986697

>define themselves by what they consume

You mean like how people already do, because being forced to work for 80% of your life doing something you most likely only do out of necessity isn't actually fulfilling to most people who aren't husks of a human being? Damn.
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>>379998209
t. someone who has never been a neet
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Honestly I don't have high hopes about the game being any good, but the salt is already exquisite.

Though I hope the game is at least above average, because then the salt will be all the more incredible.
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>>379998378
It makes me sick too, and meanwhile people publicly celebrate their commie "heroes" even though they've caused more human loss than nazis.
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>>379986697
the plot doesn't really make sense, but, then again, it's all make-believe, so i guess it's good that they're at least trying something different
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>>379997916
Being free and thus immune to voting with your wallet doesn't neccsary advance the creativity levels of the industry; see exhibit Deviant Art for instances. At least in business, those dark soul clones either prove themselves like Nioh or fall face first like The surge
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>>379988715
You mean without hardships and blood than people degrade?

Holy shit, who knew?
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>>379998523
I used to wonder what educated/intellectuals are killed in revolutions. Seemed a bit stupid to kill smart people who could help rebuild. Then when I look at the world today, I realize why.
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>>379987792
>>379988186
>make game about possible future
>BAAAW IT'S NOT MUH GRIM DERP CYBERPUNK
You are fucking retards. Future is not even supposed to be dystopian in the first place.
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>>379998523
So-called intellectuals who can't shut their mouths, maybe.
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The premise of this game could be an interesting one, but I don't think the game itself looks that good. I mean, it's a "cinematic platformer" which is just a codeword for "boring game" and the art direction makes it just look like a pixellated Blade Runner knockoff.
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>>379998559

>look for jobs nobody wants to do
>get paid an okay wage
>become a manager

That's my father's story.
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>>379995512
>because neuromancer is a lover letter to mega corporations
kek
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>>379998209

You dont understand human nature
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>dev shits on tumblrites
Based.
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>>379998364
A diamond in a pile of shit rather than a pile of diamonds.
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>>379998209

It brings its own problems, such as all NEETs will attest to.

You become the sloth in mind and/or body.
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>>379986697
based, now I'm interested - off to watch trailers now
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SOMEONE SUMMARIZE THIS THREAD
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>>379998492
Wall-E's crumbling civilization was caused by a giant corporation and rampant consumerism though, opposite end of death by socialism
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>>379998820

Commies mad at anti-commie game, claim communism has never been tried.
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>>379998820
Gibs me dats
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>>379998617
this
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>>379998737
Cool story you dumb spic, why are you even replying to me?
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>ctrl+f
>neuromancer
>gibson
>0 of 0
if you're going to argue about the root of cyberpunk at least invoke billy gibs
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>>379998820
Cyberpunk brings out the best debates
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I still fail to understand what is the problem with the game. Their political views?
So by that thought we should use censorship in all media like books and everything else.

So, basically everyone wants to be stupid and dumb.

I dont get it, I dont suport some political views, US is terrible in that by the way, all bad. But that is not the problem, the problem is people seeing other views as bad.
btw, thats a video game
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>>379998617

>tfw was NEET for a year
>tfw it was great, and I got all kinds of stuff done.

Took a job at the nearest opportunity, though, couldn't afford the NEET life.
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>>379998561
pic related has a new Translation in English exposing the Jewish menace in regards to Russia and Communism
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>>379998820
Everyone is angry and frustrated at each other
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>>379998820
PAY FOR MY SHIT
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>>379998820
Game is criticizing the communist concept of universal income because it will inevitable lead to laziness and stagnation of human progress. Leftists don't care because they don't want to work, and they're mad that this game is poo pooing the concept of universal income.
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>>379998820
>Guy thinks communism is bad and feminism needs reform
>makes game about it
>feminists are pissed
>thread debates communism
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>>379998820
boinee sanduhs can still win!
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>>379996906
Nigga, have you seen what happened to the black community thanks to the welfare state? Because I have, and as a black man that had the chance to get educated, I choose to go into econ just to study that shit. Let me tell you, that's some bullshit. Plenty of blacks in shit neighborhoods choose not to work because the 40 hours spend make it too "expensive" relative to being dependent on the government.

Black women often deliberate go out of their way to get pregnant to than demand government aid and child support.

Even during an age of actual racism, for the welfare state, black people where still poor, but communities were safer, the black family was strong, and community ran credit unions helped people establish security nets and retirement plans. Then the welfare state happened, and it all went to shit.
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>>379996317
you mean the forced universal insurance scheme that the insurance/pharmacuetical/doctor lobbyists have been pushing for decades?

LOL. That thing was never about helping fucking anyone. It was about forcing people to get shit insurance for whatever reason.
Oh my god, you should have been online when the marketers were in full force and pushing for this.
They used everything from "YOULL BE PAYING FOR NIGGERS" and "INSURANCE IS SOMETHING THAT WEALTHY UPPER CLASS PEOPLE DESERVE DONT YOU WANT TO BE LIKE THEM?".
It was fucking beautiful.
And it worked. These people are fucking retarded and easily manipulated sheep and they were bleeting their little hearts out over it.

>>379996601
Can actually refuse to do business with the big corps and refuse to house their companies.
No seriously. If the american government wanted Facebook dude to pay a shitload of money to help keep american going he can get up and go..if he wants.
But by tomorrow no english phone in the country will be able to use Facebook and they'll remove his citizenship as well as put a standing hit on him if he blabs about how his shitty little website got so popular and his friendship with the NSA.

The fuck is he going to do?
There are all of 3 men on the planet at this time who would willingly publically not do what america wants. And they basically own the american government and media anyway.
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>>379990506
>basic needs
Let me guess: roof, food, clothes, electricity, car, appliances, water, internet, school, electronics, furniture, and useless decorations to make yourself stand out? And I guess all this needs to be brand new every few years, who pays for all this for everyone?
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>>379997934
>be capitalist
>work your ass off and come up with amazing invention nobody has ever made before
>company you work for comes to your door
>you worked on that with company resources
>spend millions of dollars defending yourself and drowning in litigation
>if you resist you will lose all rights and the company will receive it anyway
>finally win lawsuit, 40 million dollars in debt
>sell invention for 2.6 million dollars which was an insanely high overvaluation
>die penniless and homeless because you didn't incorporate and LLC to cover the lawsuit so you needed to delcare personal bankrupcy

>go back to work
>work extremely hard at what you do
>guy next to you does minimal effort
>he gets paid 3x more than you do in the eyes of capitalism because hes the bosses relative

wow great one, everyone can play this game

PS, not a commie but you are full retard if you dont see your own flaws
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>>379994769
This. William Gibson would die if he read that tweet.
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>>379997798
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>>379986697
>hapa fleshlight
>someone with a valid opinion

Pick one
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>>379998894
It isn't a game about communism though.

Consumerism is fundamentally a byproduct of capitalism.
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>>379998820
People are too busy arguing over their personal politics to begin discussing a game that has nothing to do with that.
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>>379996681
>Not him but I hate this family meme. Why the fuck should my success in life be based on my previous family member's performance

Because the world doesn't revolve around you. Many people were born into circumstances similar to yours. Many were born into worse.

Work hard and make it your own.
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>>379998912

You asked you dumb nigger. Why are you complaining, when my dumb spic wetback parents were able to live a decent life in the US? Shouldn't you be begging for cash at a red light, claiming the system has you down?
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>>379998820
OP: 'This game criticizes socialist ideals'
Commies: 'But that stuff's good because I don't want to work'
Everyone else: 'Fuck off, you leach'
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>>379998820
I'm having fun lurking this thread. Lots of interesting concepts I haven't considered before.
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>>379998923
there are two mentions of this kys
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>Dude we need universal basic income so everyone can live comfortably!
>"Okay, so if everyone is making the same amount of money who's going to do the jobs no one would want to do? Like cleaning out literal shit filled septic tanks? Would you do them?"
>W-well I wouldn't, but someone else would for sure!
The same even applies for good jobs. Why waste years of your life going to law/medical school if you're gonna make the same amount of money as some dude working at mcdicks?
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>all these commie apologists

Where is pinochet when you need him?
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>>379998617
>>379998801

NEETs are broken individuals from the get go. This is an entirely different set of circumstances with an entirely different outcome.

Someone isn't happy, becomes a NEET, then the NEET lifestyle destroys them. They are a NEET because they are already fundamentally broken human beings that are practically incapable of of experiencing anything or improving themselves.

>>379998758

People can define themselves outside of that 9-5 office job.
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>>379997989
(you)
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>>379999196
All the shitty jobs would be done by robots lol
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>>379999097
>Being in America

That's the issue right there.
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>>379997989
Look, I know you just finished your freshman year in college and you think you have it all figured out. I know you've never worked a job a day in your life and see no merit in menial labor. I get it buddy. But, here's the truth. If you have your entire day free every day forever, you are not going to sit around creating great works or bettering yourself. That is an idealistic lie being sold to you. The reality is that you will sit on your ass all day, every day and maybe occasionally start something you care about only to become bored and disinterested. You think flipping burgers does nothing for the human mind? Menial shitty jobs teach the actually intelligent young people working them responsibility, accountability and motivate them to not end up like the sad sack 40 year old still doing that shit. If you had ever worked one of those shitty jobs I guarantee you that you would have worked with one or more people that you thought "took that job too seriously" and "kissed the bosses ass" too much. And in your infinitesimally small brain, you actually believed that you were smarter or better than them, when really the exact opposite is true. Because those people know that if they work hard and pretend to give a shit now, they will be rewarded later when they're getting the job they want via good references and experience. Also, your sociology degree doesn't require a 120+ IQ. That's just something you tell yourself to make yourself believe you're smarter than you actually are.
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>>379986697
Who cares? The game is going to be shit.
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>>379996681
stop feeling sorry for yourself and work for something good
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>>379998528

I'm this guy.>>379995110 I'm aware I'm cheating, but its better than crying for handouts or being in debt to banks and corporations.

I could actually do better than right now, but with greater likelihood of getting caught. Or be legit and just get my own equipment or write my own blockchains.
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>>379999319
Who's going to make the robots?
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>>379998820

cucks would rather work for 90% of their waking lives than consider the idea that a post-scarcity environment may offer them other avenues to define themselves and their lives
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>define themselves by what they consume, rather than what they create
I want to see how many of the negative tweets about this game came from iPhones.
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>>379994684
>why don't you have basic human empathy shitlord????

>*points tomahawk missile directly at you*
>now give me your money

kys you actual nigger
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>>379993040
Every retard that claims capitalism works should be swapped for the poor people living in Venezuela.
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>>379998647
How so? You don't credit state leaders with the death of citizens unless it explicitly happened under state mandated executions. Hitler killled 6 million jews. Not through shit policies or war but through guided extermination.

It's also a bit dumb to obsess over numbers. Nations like China and India will always top any ranking then.
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>>379998260
That's only in the interest of the producer of the widgets and society to consume 1 trillion widgets. Why should I make 1 trillion widgets when the profits fron the other 999 million goes to society to let them buy all of my products? That's a massive loss of investment to produce and consume for the sake of consuming, not to mention how much resources such a society can consume
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>>379996681

You just gotta roll with it, man.
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>>379999397
People would want to do it because robots are cool
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I'm buying 10 copies

With the money I earned myself

From my job

That I go to 5 days a week
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>>379999319
That'll need an awful lot of people working to build and maintain the robots. What if no one wants to do that?
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>>379999335
tl;dr
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>>379997798
commies btfo!!
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Well, we still have Cyber Punk 2077 at least. Hey, maybe they may actually show gameplay next year.
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>>379996436
Cali is straight brainwashed right now, they either need to hurry up and fall into the fucking ocean or get re-educated.
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>>379992936
The definition of feminism hasn't changed. You can be and call yourself a feminist without identifying with groups using the same word.
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>>379986697
Literally the background lore of fucking DUNE except some humans rebel. The Butlerian Jihad is an extremely important plot point for how the DUNE universe works.

Why are people upset about this? It's common in science fiction, Even Warhammer 40k does a spin on it and that shit is for kiddies.
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>>379999451
And now you see the problem.
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what if its really a game about communism? what is the problem then?
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>>379999479
In that case, You do it then.
I'll sit at home
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Pussy faggots i was a neet/hikki for 7 years. Got a job thanks to lies and it sucks more balls than laying around masturbating all day.
Bring on the UBI, i'm ready to go back.
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>>379999451
Literally a child.
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>>379999196
Why even bother posting when you don't know what you're talking about?
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>>379998820
Retarded /pol/lacks use shitty arguments to try to attack UBI, equating it to communism.

Retard leftists defend communism, rather than explaining that UBI is quintessentially the ultimate goal of capitalism.

Basically everyone is a retarded uneducated 16 year old like everyone else on 4chan. Why do I even still come to this fucking place
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>>379999335
>everyone will fall into the same trap as me :'(((((((
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What's the difference between an alt-right fascist and a trampoline?

I take off my boots when I stomp on a trampoline
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>>379998983

>inevitable lead to laziness and stagnation of human progress

This is literally already a thing. Great minds aren't all of a sudden going to stop creating and developing new ideas because they don't have to get a job at McDonalds to pay rent in their teens.
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>>379999169
The problem with the beggar rats is that they don't want your parent's jobs, because they think you're parents are subhuman and deserve those jobs, while the beggars think they're more valid to instantly be your parent's overlords.
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>>379999563
Because the result isn't depicted as a utopia
>>380000000 soon
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>>379986697
Honestly that sounds less like politics and more like existentialism with the part about machines making any work even desired work unneeded and people trying to define themselves when you remove what they do and contribute to society being the main point with universal income being a secondary thought to explain the setting and hold up the main point.
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>>379999483
You're a good person, anon.
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>>379992720
>anti-depressant usage
That's probably to do with the fact that they have healthcare that covers the usage for those in mild cases. Not a higher incidence of depression.
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>>379998960
Liberals hate it because it depicts the welfare state they long to create in a negative light. Instead of ignoring it like an adult, they're going to actively call for the censorship of this game. This is the world we live in now.
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>>379999441
>How so? You don't credit state leaders with the death of citizens unless it explicitly happened under state mandated executions.


Stalin, Mao Zedong, Castro have imprisoned and killed millions. Over 90 million of people have lost their lives because of them actually. That's how. These "leaders" literally slaughtered everyone that opposed them.

How can you defend them? How can you possibly stand by them?
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>>379993728
insta buy.
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>>379999669
And the difference between you and an alt-right fascist is that the fascist wears civilized footwear.
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>>379998820
dumb lefties habituated to first world bread and circuses provided by capitalism in order to sedate them, think a game is insulting them and their delusional political fantasies

slightly more sane anons bite the bait and feed into a useless internet slapfight
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>>379999339
But I am, anon. I'm educated, working, and contributing a lot more than anyone else in my ancestory has. It's a matter of being frustrated with those better off. Yeah, it's selfish and there's certainly worse circumstances to be born into but I know I'll never really shake off the feeling.
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>>379999381
When decentralized exchanges become bigger and better literally nothing will be able to stop cypto
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>>379986697
How is this hard to get? Do you not remember summer vacation as a kid? It meant playing with your friends and video games, not writing poetry.
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>>379999097
You act like you have to fight directly against the company. The most likely scenario is the company is going to come to your house and say "We see you've made this amazing invention with our assets, collaborate with the company and you'll get a percentage in every sale". I'd say that's leagues better than getting fucking nothing in Communism.
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>>379999483
Why? Because of the controversy? The game doesn't look all that good to be honest.
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>>379999506
Dude is an idiot that thinks there is no value in menial labor.
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>>379999563
It couldn't be. Consumerism is a byproduct of capitalism
>>379999852
"alt-right fascist" and "civilised" is a paradox
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>>379998527
I think he was talking about people here who went apeshit on Wolfenstein because >KKK, >demonizing nazis and >WE WUZ.
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>>379993728
T O P T I E R
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>>379997402
It's not a conspiracy. This is on record.
Are you getting paid to defend big pharma or are you stupid.

>>379997791
I'm sorry.
What good?
I'm touting the reality of the situation not some pie in the sky good things happen to good people fantasy you're working with.
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>>379986697
Wow guys, it's almost as if struggle and having to do things you don't want to do makes you who you are
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>>380000000
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Day one buy
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>>379999483
>>379999999
>>370000000
>>370000001
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>cyberPUNK
>Not allowed to disagree with any ideas
Man punk has gotten hardcore in recent years.
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>>379993615
Even crime requires effort. Steve and his ilk are worthless.
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>>379996698
>You're basically admitting "real communism" is pure fiction
It is pure fiction with a current state of society. And what happens in real life is NEVER EVER a pure ideology, you fucking retard. Just how modern capitalism is NEVER a pure capitalism and government puts limits on how corporations can fuck you over.
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>>379999397
robots make the robots, you fucking retard, who do you think makes all the cars?
>>379999484
ROBOTS

Holy shit ti's like you fucking inbreds don't even understand UBI. We are on the precipice of nearly 1/3 of all jobs in north america being gone in a matter of a decade (goods delivery, supply chain automation). Do you really think there are enough jobs to just get those people new jobs? How will those people buy company x's greatest widget if they can't get a new job? When they lose their job the GDP of the entire country plummets because Walmart sales are down 25%.


It's honestly like you fucking retard kids weren't even alive when automation killed the auto industry jobs. Do you even remember what that did to America? What about coal jobs? Those industries being automated completely wiped out entire cities. Now imagine that on a scale 1000x that.
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>>379993728
Is this is bros? Will we finally see the takeover trend of reverse counter culture? How long till we see punk related songs about anti-feminist and commie/liberal ideas?
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>>379993412
So let's say steve who was previously supported by food stamps, now has *a stable job*. One day Steve goes out and has too much fun and is left with insufficient funs. So now what?

This scenario could happen under any system, including our current one. You can't really use this as an argument against UBI because it can be used as an argument against almost any conceivable system.
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>>379988154
Someone actually did their research and realized that a leftist/socialist utopia would end horrifically.
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>Universal Basic Income
>Communist
I'm a fucking Nazi and I still find it hilarious they have no fucking clue what Communism even is.
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>If I don't have to work and my perspective stagnates because I'm no longer forced outside my comfort zone by the requirements of a job, I will surely create original works that aren't derivative of the narrow and shallow range of things I choose to consume!

Fuck off. Work is important, because it forces routine and an exit from what you would normally encounter on your private time. It also gives an actual incentive to create, to have people validate your work by giving you money to create for them. The greatest works in human history have been paid for, not just out of the kindness and joy of the creator's heart.
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>>380000468
>I'm a fucking Nazi
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>>379999974
>The most likely scenario is the company is going to come to your house and say "We see you've made this amazing invention with our assets, collaborate with the company and you'll get a percentage in every sale".

AH HA HA HA
Have you ever had a real job in your life? Unless you briefed them on every step of the process you won't get shit. And even if they did, you are admitting you would be happy getting 1% of your inventions value rather than 0%. Yes, that is a huge difference. But don't act like you're happy with 1%. (Realistically, .001%)
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>>379990276
Wrong it is ruled by megacrops who own all the robots. Dipshit.
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>>380000229
pure capitalism can happen. Society doesnt want it though
Its pretty easy to achieve 90% capitalism and it would be pretty stable.
Communism is a dream. if you achieve 90% communism, best case it will in a year.
Communism is inefficient, and tries to distribute wealth when there is none.
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>>379999335
Buddy, you honestly fucking believe that there are an equal amount of high paying jobs as there are low paying jobs and that low paying jobs are either a punishment or a stepping stone?
And you're trying to push this idea while other people are talking about changing society in a certain way to where this is seen as wrong?

You're a fucking rube.
What's worse, you don't realize it.

Giving up your life to mindlessly slave for the betterment of someone else rather then slave away for your own betterment and even going so far as to say that persons life is without meaning because they aren't spending most of it working for others rather then living their life?
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>everyone gets paid universal income
>people who go to med school and become doctors get paid a doctor's salary plus the universal income
>person living on universal income alone can only afford to live in a small apartment and takes public transportation
>person who decided to become a doctor gets to live in a big ass house and drive luxury cars
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>>380000668
>[work]... gives an incentive to create

You think people only want to create because they have jobs?
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>>379993728
Sounds interesting now, might buy.
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>>379991313
Was NEET for only ~8 months and even that was rough as fuck.
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>>379999627
>He can't actually refute the point
If everyone would make the same amount of money, why would anyone do the hard necessary jobs? Would you want to be a trash man when you could just work an easy job for the exact same amount of money?
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>>379993412
>Steve enjoys his basic income, but one day he's feeling a bit bored with himself. He goes out and spends too much while having fun and is now left with insufficient funds for his next rent check/utilities.
Then Steve shouldn't have gone out and spent more money on "fun" then he could afford. Steve is an adult that needs to act responsible if he wants to be successful.

>WOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWW MY ACTIONS HAVE ACTUAL CONSEQUENCES? WTF
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>>379991313
Yep. Currently a NEET. Sure, feels good sleeping and I despise waking up early. But it feels much better to have a job, earn money and do things.
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>>379986697
>cyberpunk's anticapitalist roots
What the fuck ?
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>>380000468
Lies desu, no self respecting National Socialist would call themselves "Nazi".
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>>380000794
>allowing people the ability to live off sole universal income

ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING
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>>380000445
>This scenario could happen under any system, including our current one. You can't really use this as an argument against UBI because it can be used as an argument against almost any conceivable system.

Well, no. Because if Steve was a poor man (which is implied he is) he would be covered by social programs like food stamps no matter what because they take away his buying power. So instead of giving him more money to spend, you have a designated currency that covers specifically food/housin, ie. foodstamps and subsidized housing.
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>>379999717
>UBI
so...? I fail to see the problem. There is no utopia and there will never be... whoever went to school a little would know that
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>>380000912
I mean...
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>>380000891
Universal Basic Income is money for nothing. If you do work you get extra $$$
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Part of the fucking point of good science fiction is to challenge viewpoints. I'm a pretty liberal person and I think this is a fantastic idea for a game. As an artist, I like thinking about the purpose of art, and without a struggle to overcome, with constant decadence and entertainment, nothing is sincere, nothing CAN be art. Well, it can be, but I'll bet you it won't be worthwhile.

Overall "It's a fucking video game"/10
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>>380000445

Steve goes back to food stamps under your scenario you fucking retard.

Meanwhile, under UBI you need UBI and every other system that is already in place because of retards like Steve.

So what have you accomplished? Steve is still a poor junkie that turns to crime. The only difference is that now everyone that's not a complete retard (You) get taxed more so they are actually poorer.
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>>380001103
And all of those things are covered by taxes. So in short I have to pay my own money because Steve fucked up?
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Why are they surprised by the premise, if we ever reach that level it's exactly what will happen. Most will be on drugs, oblivious to life going on around them
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>>380000820
In some way, yes. Either to get paid to create rather than doing their non-creative job, or to give them new perspectives on the world through different experiences and interacting with people they'd never have met socially, or because they're being paid to create for other people. Socrates, Archimedes, Da Vinci, Van Gogh. They all created because they had a unique perspective fueled by a lifetime of hard work, and by a desire to live off their creations.
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>>379999816
We already have a welfare state.
Most conservative groups will rather slit their throats then even hint that they'll abolish social security.
It will outright DESTROY their asses.
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>>380000794
Yeah, except in this story, machines are replacing work, so you'd have robo-doctors instead.
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>>380000820
Nothing motivates innovation like the opportunity to get ahead and make that green
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>>380000794
This makes the most sense to me but I have no idea if that would even be obtainable on a societal scale.
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>>380001018
uh oh, here comes the mspaint psuedo-commentary!
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>>379996783
>policy should be dictated by extremes

certifiably retarded
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>>380000905
>Then Steve shouldn't have gone out and spent more money on "fun" then he could afford.


Exactly, UBI doesn't account for irresponsibility.

>Steve is an adult that needs to act responsible if he wants to be successful.


I think if Steve demands UBI he's not a responsible adult.
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>>380000891
The state would distribute extra money based on how bad the job needs doing
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>>380000782
Pure capitalism is on the same level of retardation as communism. Anyone who believes either extreme is workable in anyway is an ideological crusader blinded by idiocy.

PS: America is already 90% capitalism.
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>>379999816
its our contemporary problem, everyone feels entitled to something, and they feel they should protest about things they dont like. I think this game can be a good case-study, even if you guys dont like it, we should embrace these experiences and see for ourselves if we like it or not.

If this continues, than books and movies will ahve to be censored also, specially european movies which very often depict these political questions
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>>380000229
>and government puts limits on how corporations can fuck you over.

Sometimes they do this, but more often they just put limits on any kind of companies that corporations can trivially bypass, but fucking wreck small buisinesses, leading everything to be controlled by massive oligopolies that control everything you consume.

Regulatory capture is hardly some obscure fantasy. Government is as much involved in creating these unbreakable monopolies and granting favors to them as it is in throwing a bone towards consumer protection.

it's all in the numbers.

Number One: That's Terror.
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>>380000791
I'm not agreeing with UBI in that post.
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>>379986697
>post scarcity
>steampunk
im confused but if they pull it off it sounds neat
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>>380000782
>a dream
Game is literally about how technological progress made communism possible. Humans are not generating wealth anymore, therefore it is evenly distributed. Why the fuck would you need capitalism in the perfect future where robots and AI rule the world? Future world scenarios are not obliged to be a dystopian disaster.
>Communism is inefficient
When humans do it, yes.
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>>380000891
You can eliminate the minimum wage with UBI in place, but no one will be willing to do these hard jobs if they can survive off UBI. So the idea is the wages of the harder jobs will have to rise, while easy fun fun jobs can lower their wages since people don't need a huge additional incentive to do them.
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>>380000412
I work in the industry. Honestly isnt happening for another 20-30 years at the least.
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>>380001263
>liberal
>artist
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>>380001267
>So in short I have to pay my own money because Steve fucked up?


No, you shouldn't.
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>>380001106
Lefties say communism will be perfect
Game says no it wont

This upsets the lefty
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>>379993349
Neets in Finland are drunk degenerates, a total scourge. Neetism is shit.
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>>380000794
Maybe at the beginning of UBI. The ultimate end-goal of capitalism is to replace everything with robots. That means no more doctors because all diagnostic and surgical work will be automated. Hell, we are already like 25% of the way there, like 40% for diagnostic.
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>>379986697
Remember all the fat people in 2008 that where assblased about basically the same plot in Wall E? Remember when everyone else in 2008 laughed at them for being upset? Their rainbow haired children are the ones upset about plots like this now.
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>>380000891
There's no point to refute because you're an idiot and don't know what you're talking about.
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>>380001216
The example becomes even better then. Why would anyone do ANYTHING if you had enough money to just live as a neet? You'd only have people doing things they find fun.
All the trash men would quit their jobs instantly.
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>>379991313
Femanon NEET for 5 years here; yes it's absolutely true.

Longstanding economic & lifestyle stability inevitably leads ignorance, hedonism, and degeneracy in most people and cultures. This doesn't just apply to NEETs specifically - to normies, elites, men & women and people of all kinds of races as well - regardless of their society or form of government.

I believe that's the reason why so many "capitalist" 1st-world societies are seeing such drastic native population declines begin with, while second and third world nations (regardless of capitalistic, communistic or totalitarian governments) continue to breed at extremely rapid and unstable rates. Regardless, it's going to lead to inevitable disaster for both "worlds" in the long run.

It's all just personal opinion, but I'm slowly coming to the conclusion that wealthy first-world nations have children out of "novelty" (so many people stating they don't want children out of " expensive costs" for example) while 2nd-3rd world nations have children out of "necessity" (they have no financial stability, so family is their only safe bet at increasing their wealth and chances of long-tern survival as they grow older.)

Either way I'm looking forward to the game and what it has to say. I'm not a firm liberal or a firm conservative; being a biggot is never psychologically healthy (imo both are just two sides of the same coin that the elites manipulate to their advantage; ultimately it's all bad,) so it should be interesting seeing the kind of reactions this game will get from both the idiotic tumblrina, nu-feminist, SJW liberals and idiotic, Trumptard, /pol/ alt-right conservatives alike.
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>>380001578
>conservative "art"
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>>380001324
I think you're conflating two different things. I don't think creative people create because they have jobs, I think they have jobs because they create. In an imaginary world where no one had to work, and they never had to worry about things like having a place to live, or getting food/water/etc., people would still be creative.

>>380001374
People would still be creative even if they didn't have to work to support themselves
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>>380001578
I don't associate myself with what liberals are seen as now, but my views are moderately left-leaning and I like to use the word to mean that.
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>>379986697
>a future where everyone has an easy life
THE HORROR. What kind of madman can envision a world where the poor don't suffer? Truly on par with with a post apocalypse. basically this has to be the dumbest plot I've ever heard. There are ways to do social commentary. Pretentious pixelshit pushing a simple agenda as grandiose metaphors where dialogue isn't the objective but "look at my beliefs and how bad the world is under beliefs that aren't mine" instead.

The funny thing is that SJWs is literally the only market for pretentious indie shit of this nature. Sure Anti-SJWs may take interest because they're literally SJWs with the opposite political ideals but at the end of the day SJWs like to feel smart and consume pretentious shit over and over to reaffirm how intellectual they are. while the notion of thinking outside of memes scares anti SJWs because they're already convinced that they took the redpill and know everything. So this game would just be redundant and boring for them.

tldr Basically there's no audience and indie developers need to stop making shit like this and make real video games.
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>>380001716
This woman speaks the truth. I agree on almost every single point.
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>>380001697
That's the plot of the game anon. No one is doing anything. They're just going full degenerate
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>>380001584
nothing is perfect, and that is the beauty of it
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>>379996421
You are the dumbest sack of shit on this planet.
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>>379994684
Nigger, my taxes are to keep sewage working, police paid, and help grannies and retards who CAN'T work. Not for fucking useless stoners that don't want to work.
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>>380000891
You don't fucking understand the basics of UBI. What hard necessary jobs? You think Trash men will exist in a world with UBI? The entire point of UBI is to accommodate automation, do you seriously think Trash Man won't be one of the earliest casualties to automation? Like I sincerely don't think you understand how many jobs are on the verge of being lost to automation, just in the next decade.
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>>380000782
We had pure capitlalism. Unrestrained unashamed and working in the open with open and obvious control over the government.

America was on the verge of a full class war.
Right now the corps are terrified of pissing off the slaves and have been working at making the american corporations slave work force...us..into well who we are today.
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>>379999097
>didn't patent creation
>didn't counter sue for cost of lawsuit and royalties and damages from the company that sued you originally
Because you didn't work the system in your favor. How do you expect to play the game if you don't know the rules?
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>>380001667
>WALL-E
>2008
>nearly a decade ago

Fuck
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>>380001468
It doesn't say steampunk anywhere.
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>>380001264
It can take up to month days to get on food stamps you fucking retard. It's not like UBI has to be shelled out at the beginning of the month. You can't go, oops I ran out of money time to instantly hop back on food stamps. kys faggot
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You know, what happens when most jobs are done by robots?

Either a large number of the population would starve off without jobs, or we would have to purposefully halt technological progress in favor of keeping jobs for people, right?
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