PAID MODS

>It's not paid mods
>but it's actually paid mods
corporate doublespeak

But you need "credits" to download them. How do you get the credits?

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>>379980816

Nude mods, the thing accounting for 90% of Skyrim replay time, are now dead

>>379981097
>Credits are available for purchase
So they're paid fucking mods?

>>379980740
Basically. Although it would be nice if credits could be earned somehow. Like, if they're tied to an in-game achievements system. In the end, though, they're still paid mods so whatever.

>>379981193
So are any mods adding funny shit. No more Mario world, Master Chief, Giant Tails, Randy The machodragon Savage, anything that has a licence attached to it.

They sold their soul. They given up Fun.

I don´t even want a new TES now. i would have to pay for fanmade bugfixes. fuck this.

It's different, Creative Club =/= mods in "their mind". It's a different system, these are official additions to the game. People seem to have the wrong idea.

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>>379981097
>no guys these aren't paid mods
>buy credits from psn or xbl

the fuck?

>Your favorite worlds just got a bit bigger
What the fuck did they mean by this? I can already "make my world bigger" by downloading mods. How does paying for them make my world any bigger? If anything, it makes it smaller because everyone's going to try to get a piece of the pie and sell shit on their workshop.

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>post yfw now to even make ES6 a functional game with mods it costs $600 because some "content creator" believes their bug fix/animation replacement/texture upgrades are worth $40

>>379980321
There's nothing in that paragraph of substance. Do you pay for this shit or not?

Beth went full fucking turbokike tonight

Crowd sourced DLC. Don't act like it's any different than what Valve did with TF2 items having game art communities like polycount turn out near AAA content that these companies get to pick and choose from.

>>379983861
yes read

>>379981097

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>>379983842
>post yfw anon cont comprehend cracking shitty bethesda drm

>>379983745
That's not how it works. It's official work, like small versions of dlc or expansion packs, made by the developer studio and sometimes outside sources to fit into the game officially.
Mods are a different game entirely. They shouldn't have even mentioned it, or made it clearer that they're different. Now /v/ is going to kick up a shitstorm and they don't even know what they're talking about.

What's wrong with paid mods

It's not "paid mods" like Valve tried to do a while back.

It's more like Bethesda contracting out 3rd party creators to make smaller DLC for them.

Which isn't nearly as scummy and prone to the fraud and copyright problems of before.

I'm skeptical, but this doesn't sound so bad.

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>>379980321

is this the birth of

>DENUVO MODS

>>379982394
>wanting lore-breaking mods
nu-/v/ in a nutshell

>>379984245
Because it's not

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You don't buy mods, you buy credits.

If you want to swap credits for mods at no cost, then that's up to you.

>>379982975
No, they will snatch every big mod team that works on anything bigger and offer them to join this retarted ass club. Mods are DLC now. The good ones atleast.

>>379984570
who is this phallic facilitator

>>379984619
the good mods are eventually gonna need SKSE, which means no console port. No console support means they won't get picked up by Bethesda.

>>379980321
Even if they aren't "paid mods" in a traditional sense, it doesn't stop the Internet Crusade that's going to rise for Round 2.

>>379984619
It's up to the team then if they want money for their work and developer help.
>Mods are DLC
They always were.

>>379984742
literally a dude that rides a motorcycle

>>379981097
Paid mods with an extra step so Sony/M$/Valve can get their juicy cut.

>>379984236
So people that USED to make mods now are making paid DLC.
Therefore they are PAID MODS. Are you really so fucking retarted that you can´t see why this is not wanted by 99% of players?

One of the mods in the video was 'Horse Armor' Literally named after one of the first pieces of shit DLC for Oblivion. They know what they're doing, and who their buyer base is.

>>379984874
They literally are paid mods though fucktard. The reason they can say they aren't legally is because you aren't directly purchasing the mod with cash. You buy CREDITS which can then be used to buy mods or whatever.

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>>379984742
The Jeremy Clarkson of anime.

>>379984570

You don't buy gold, you get money

If you want gold for money at no cost, then that's up to you.

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>>379985076
i said who is this phallic facilitator

>>379984370
Not everyone has to turn it into a porn game or play vanilla+ you faggot.

PAID MODS WITH EXTRA STEPS

>>379983918
Thats exactly what it is. The mannconomy update for skyrim and fallout. Look how tf2 turned out.

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>>379980321
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRkrascT_iM

JUST

It's not paid mods, you're paying for credits. HUGE difference

>>379984742

Onsa Amano from Bakuon.

>>379984838
Why do you think SKSE64 hasn't been released yet.
I swear to christ, it better not be because of paid mods.

>>379985468
Onsa Amano from Bakuon!!

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>>379985550
>HORSE ARMOR
>one of the mods is titled HORSE ARMOR
These fucks know exactly what they are doing

>>379984979
They will all say yes do you not understand? if they charge money for mods, no matter how they call it, people will do less and worse for free.
Instead you need hundreds of dollars to get what was free up to this point.

>>379985786
That actually probably IS why bethesda offered them absolutely no help in porting to SkyrimSE

>>379984236
I thought you were right for a second there, but then I looked over here

>>379984329
>300 credits for a fucking bow
No, it's just paid mods. The only difference now is that bethesda MIGHT pretend to do some QA before releasing it.

>>379980321

>No, you don't have to pay for them

>You just have to pay for the credits that you use to pay for them

So it's a free2play mobile phone game system.

>>379984329
>the gray cowl return
Is this a jab at "THE APPLE"?

>>379985786
It hasn't been released because the guys who wrote it have been throwing an autistic tantrum since the last time paid mods happened.

/v/ defeated paid mods once.

we will do it again.

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>>379980321
Nigger you stupid?

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>>379980321
>IT'S NOT PAID MODS GUYS
FAKE NEWS

>>379986094
Who's "they"? Mysterious bogeyman mods? Why are you demonizing those who make mods? Some are terrible, but a lot of mod creators are like you where they'll just do things for fun.
It will only change the mind of those who wanted money in the first place. Take it up with them, not Bethesda.
I don't think you understand this at all.

>>379985483
just pirate them

what's the problem?

>>379984329
That's so ugly

>>379984570
>buy credits
>buy mods with credits
so spending money to buy mods
also known as buying them
fag

>>379985258
The internet is still going to raise hell for this.

>>379986037
>hey guys, remember how we fucked you in the ass 10 years ago? haha that was so silly of us... we could have fucked you harder!

>>379981097
It's just microtransactions.
How the fuck isn't that paying?
Shitheads.

>Most of the Creation Club content is created internally

it's not even fucking paid mods, it's micro-micro-transactions

this is fucking horse armor.

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>>379986395
>>379986175

Yeah so he's right, they're not paid mods. You're not paying for them, you're paying for the credits.

Bethesda is technically and legally right in this case

Think of it as shitty DLC.

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>>379980321
>free mods that you have to pay for

>>379986294
>/v/ defeated
>/v/
It was reddit and the Nexus modders that actually did it though. /v/ just sat around and bitched like we always do.

>>379986124
Bethesda has never been involved with any of the script extenders, why would they offer to help now?

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>>379980321
>>379981097

>>379986161
There's more to it. Like I said, mods are still there. Free mods will still there as they say, this is just to streamline it and keep things official.
I'm not going to go buying that junk but I'm not going to hate on extra content and purposely misunderstand things.

>>379986294
It's just Skyrim and Fallout 4. No one even plays those anymore. The first time PAID MODS was so big was because every game with mods was affected

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>>379986739
>what is a joke?
Didn't you see the cute jew girl in my post?

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>>379980321
>it's not paid mods guys
>it's mods that you pay for, and we're not calling them mods any more

>>379986882
dude, you gotta give us more credit than that
member how we sunk TORtanic? haha that was great

>>379981193
They're not touching mods at all. The only possible negative consequence on the modding scene is that some modders who might previously have modded for free decide to become an official "content creator" for Bethesda. People who do lewd mods won't do that, they're too passionate about their mods being lewd.

>>379986604
Yeah just wait for Todd to create an inbuilt virtual mod manager system into the games, so that you can't just drag and drop plugins anymore.
>Give each mod a hash key
>Hash key is 256 bit encryption and can only be generated from a valid creation kit that builds it from the formid's that the plugin uses

this is really only a console issue.

>>379984181
>Buy Fallout 3 on steam.
>Download cracked version of Fallout 3 with all DLC.
>Put the BSA's and esm/esp's from the cracked version in the data files folder of the steam version.
>It actually works.
I literally have steam achievements for DLC I don't even own, what fucking DRM?

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>>379986804
Literally.

>>379980321
>>379980740
>>379981097
>>379980816

Its paid mods, but in a way that wont create backlash. you thought that they wouldnt monetize mods?

>>379986825
But not practically right, unless I can get high class hookers or well made taco bell tacos sent straight to my house with credits, if I can only get mods with credits then it is effectively paid mods.

>>379987402
>have to pay for a gauss rifle that should have been in the game in the first place
this is the real crime. half the time mods only add in shit that should have been in the original game. to have the audacity to ask the player to pay TO BETHESDA more money for what an amateur had to make to have it in the game is despicable

>>379983842
I think even Bethesda has the sense to realize how bad it would make them look if they offered paid bugfixes.

>>379987346
If anything, let them suffer for playing these games on such bad platforms. I know a "skyrim fan" and alright, yeah, I get why people can put 4,000 hours into that game. But he plays on fucking PS3 and PS4 and suddenly it's like... HOW THE FUCK DO YOU DO THAT WITHOUT MODS AND SHIT NIGGER

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>>379986842

How much are credits? I want to know how they think shit like a bow and head piece are worth.

>>379987402
>paying for modern furniture
what the fuck is this, the sims?

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>>379987402
>HAHA THAT IS MY FUCK YOU TO ALL OF YOU SHITS. YOU WILL FUCKING PAY.

Mods are a thing of the past. they have been swallowed by the DLC Monster.

This truly is the Timeline of Ruin.

>>379987887
1$ for 100, screencap this

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>its not paid mods
>it's creation club partners that 'work' with bethesda developers to create content!
>but theyre not mods, we swear
To be honest, I'm surprised it took this long for it to happen. I expected this to happen long ago, but it requires a support team to help retards making poor performing mods.

>>379987887
Judging by the pricing of the items so far, I'm guessing 100 credits ~= 1 US dollar.

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>>379980321
>still unironically buying bethesda products

It's "paid mods" in the same way a DLC or "Costume pack" in any other game is a "paid mod".
In the end you're just doing the same shit, you own the original content that you bought for 64 bucks and you're paying additional for in-game cosmetics/gear/new quests/whatever

Players still make free mods and Bethesda won't do shit to them, but Bethesda makes "professional" mods (like a fucking mudcrab I guess?) and you can buy them with cash like you would a DLC or costume pack

>>379987346

I don't think so.

Good mods require skse, fose. Consoles can't install either.

Paid mods mean that creators have a financial incentive to develop mods that consoles can use.

Mod quality is going to drop as a result.

>>379984329
>survival mode
so someone ripped off frostfall

So for now, mods are "free". No old mods will be made into paid mods.

When TES VI releases, when FO5 releases, there will be only new mods for them. Therefore, in the future, all mods will cost money.

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>>379981097
It's literally paid mods
>but it's not because the existing mods will remain free :^)

Is Creation Club paid mods?

No. Mods will remain a free and open system where anyone can create and share what they’d like. Also, we won’t allow any existing mods to be retrofitted into Creation Club, it must all be original content. Most of the Creation Club content is created internally, some with external partners who have worked on our games, and some by external Creators. All the content is approved, curated, and taken through the full internal dev cycle; including localization, polishing, and testing. This also guarantees that all content works together. We’ve looked at many ways to do “paid mods”, and the problems outweigh the benefits. We’ve encountered many of those issues before. But, there’s a constant demand from our fans to add more official high quality content to our games, and while we are able to create a lot of it, we think many in our community have the talent to work directly with us and create some amazing new things.

https://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/5716412-paid-modding-is-back/

>>379987402
Todd Howard and Pete Hines deserve to be jailed for this.

>>379988342
yes, that someone is Bethesda.

>>379985076
hey she's only a futa in the doujins

>>379988319
It sounds like they're going to be hiring modders (ie the "external sources") to make mods too.

>>379988435
I think Todd preemptively fled the country.

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>>379988339
>Good mods require skse, fose
And Sexlab.

>>379987259
No. If they can get money from it then they will. You are gravely underestimating how greedy people are.

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>>379988368
>Coming from the same forum that tried convincing people that paid mods would never come back in the first place

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>>379980321
They're free, guys! It's content made by people in-house and Bethesda! And some outsourced work from other companies! And don't forget some work by mod makers!

A-And it's totally free! Credits aren't dollars! It's not paying for mods at all! So please feel free to buy a 2000 credit pack for the low, LOW price of $10!

IT IS ON ALL OF YOU DUMB CUNTS TO MAKE SURE THIS FAILS, BY NOT BUYING ANY. IF YOU SIMPLY REFUSE TO USE THIS SERVICE, IT *WILL* GO AWAY.

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>>379981097
>Is Creation Club paid mods?
No. Mods will remain a free and open system

>How do I get Creation Club content?
Purchased with credits that are available for purchase on PSN, Xbox Live, and Steam

You cant make this shit up. Way to give a huge middle finger to your fans. Fuck Bethesda.

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Valve has been doing this for literally years though.

What is your problem? Free mods are still going to exist, you'll still be able to get your loli rape mods. This just sounds exactly like what Valve have been doing for years without anyone complaining.

>mod maker who made that chinese stealth suit made thread on reddit saying he had no contact and gave no authorization for them to use their mod
paid mods 2.0
bethesda not giving a fuck edition

>>379986825
>you don't but mods, you buy credits
>you use the credits to buy tokens
> you use the tokens to buy points
> you use the points to buy BethesdaBux
> you use the BethesdaBux to exchange, not buy, for mods

So its not paid mods, you fags

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>>379982394
>Wanting lore breaking mods

>Most of the Creation Club content is created internally

This is the real travesty here. This isn't even fucking mods. If it isn't created by a 3rd party, can you even consider it a mod?

This is literally the penultimate moment of nickel-and-diming DLC schemes.

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>It's free because you use credits not real money
>...but you only get credits by buying them with real money

?????????????????????

>>379988339
This desu. Modders might put all their resources into making mods that work for PC and console. This isn't limited to just SKSE mods, but mods that add characters/locations/textures etc that consoles won't be able to handle without dropping dozens of frames.

>>379988895
>nobody complained about hats
Hmmmm

>go to sleep after not that bad Microsoft E3 stream
>wake up
>see this thread
what the fuck happened at Bethesda conference

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hmmm let's see here
>killing Nazis in America
>paid mods
I wonder who is really running the show at Bethesda

>>379988368
>we won’t allow any existing mods to be retrofitted into Creation Club, it must all be original content
I think that's the key statement right there.

>>379989118
The "made internally" stuff is to just grease the wheels so they can get fans to make content.

Get some C-team members on hat duty until people who don't even work for them are doing all the heavy lifting.

>>379988725
If they cared that much about money, they wouldn't be dedicating that much of their personal time working on projects that they'll never be able to put on their professional portfolios.

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Tell me about these credits. How do I ""obtain"" them?

>>379988162
>>379988243
I'm betting on $1/100cr but with the option to buy in bulk.
>$5/500cr
>$10/1100cr
>$20/2400cr
>$50/5500cr
>$100/13000cr
Something like this

>>379988843
You think there's any hope when this shit comes to consoles? People bought horse armor, they'll buy this. Especially consolefags who don't know how to pirate them.

>>379988824
>2000 credits
>10$
You're dreaming, anon. It'll be 1$/100 credits. They might throw in a BADASS 10% discount so it'll cost around 17.99

>>379989219
>>379988965

Looks like that isn't the case.

>>379988895

Dota and TF2 didn't have thriving modding scenes that were filled with passionate people fixing and filling those games with content.

Bethesda does, and by offering this shit, they are saying that modders and the work they do is substandard as compared to the "polished" work they will be charging for.

They can fuck themselves with this shit.

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>>379983918
The main difference is this is not a multiplayer f2p game where hats and skins and shit are okay to monetize it, these are singleplayer fucking experiences where now if you want a "complete" edition be prepared to shell out hundreds of dollars on the so called "credits" how the fuck are people even defending this shit

let me take a stab at what this could mean
>you buy mods with credits
>credits are 'free' because you get 1 credit as a daily login reward
>this fulfills the requirement to be able to label them as free currency so they can market a mod that equivalent to $5 each as free mods
how did I do?

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>>379981193
>>379982394
What on earth makes you think this? Those types of mods aren't going to stop working all of a sudden, and people aren't going to stop making them.

>>379988895
there is curation though
paid mods didnt have curation
most mods were straight up stolen broken and charging like 10 dollars for what was not even 5 minutes of work
the npcs wouldnt even work,
go back and look at the imgur post of some dude who went and reviewed all the paid mods, half that shit was flat out broken
then the fucks that actually made GOOD mods, took their free mods then pay gated an update, after implementing a feature that completely broke the UI and gave you errors everytime you opened your inventory, unless you paid for the update

basically this is the deathknell of player mod communities and bethesda once again swooping in to kill it with fire

dont get me started on the state of mods on consoles, fuckers were stealing free mods and reposting them without permission and then breaking installs of console versions because that shit wasnt made for it

>>379989757
Sounds like every mobage out there.

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>>379988895
>nobody complained about when TF2 had paid hats
>literally within 5 minutes people comparing a $15 digital hat to real physical hats
>people complaining every update of TF2, Dota2, and CSGO about hats/skins that stick out like a sore thumb that ruin the game's aesthetics
>more and more dota2 are lowering performance since the only way for Valve to sell their own hats is to have flashier particles that shit up the screen
Are you even trying?

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YOU DON'T PAY FOR THE MODS
CREDITS AREN'T MONEY

I'M BEING SO GENEROUS AND THIS IS THE THANKS I GET?

Now i know why Toddski didn't want to appear in the conference. Bethesda is dropping truth bombs on their kikeness, not lies.

>>379989743
fanboyism

>>379989757
>1 credit a day
>you have to play skyrim for 500 days to unlock "survival" mode

>>379988368
So its like buying microsoft points


Remember back when oblivion revealed horse armor? How did you get that 'DLC?' You purchased points...with money...to get a mod.


Now you can purchase fucking whatever this new shit is! WITH MONEY! TO BUY MODS! THEREFOR

P A I D F U C K I N G M O D S

>>379990004
you got me. /ffg/ fag here. I know fucking mobage marketing when I see it

>>379988367
this is all i will be able to think about once the first Trailer for TES 6 is shown. They killed all hype in advance for me.

>>379989131
That's not what they're saying. They're saying that stuff in the content shop aren't mods. It's "content". And they differentiate it from mods by making sure it meets the same standards as official DLC. Ordinary mods remain free, since they're not touching those.

>>379990196
My bet is 100 a day. Log in for a work week and you get one 500 point mod.

>>379990309

Bro do you have any stamina shards?

>>379990383
>they

Don't you mean "we"?

>You're not PAYING for the mods!
>This mod just happens to cost 10 dollars in credits so you buy 10 dollars worth of credits then you use those credits to get the mod!
>SOOOO YOU'RE NOT PAYING FOR THE MODS, YOU'RE JUST BUYING CREDITS! NOT MODS!

I don't have much faith in gaming that people would wake up the obvious scam going on that will lead to having to spend money just to have mods to fix their shit

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But it's not paid mods!

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>don't worry goys i mean guys it's not paid mods!

>but seriously it's paid mods

is anyone else glad they grew out of betheshit games the month skyrim launched and arrow to the knee was a thing?

theyre all terrible and there are much better alternatives in 2017. elder scrolls and fallout are basically on the same level as minecraft.

>>379980321
>Mods will remain free
>Mods will be purchasable with credits you buy with real money

They are lying so hard.

>>379990453
>wrong, you won't get shit for free, this is not a moba you stupid fuck

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>>379980321

>>379990493
no, i play the jewier of the mobages, BE.

>>379989476

This, but add 5 to all of the point values. That way you can never use all of what you bought.

Todd will have his revenge.

>>379990932

I gave up on Bethesda with Oblivion, and I still think Fallout 3 is a travesty.

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It's free to swap credits for an amazing selection of official Bethesda mods. You know the quality will be excellent.

>>379991193

I couldn't be bothered. Too many new characters, that Ariana Grande nonsense.

>>379989853
The premise here is that there will be curation, though. It's not the clusterfuck of just throwing a pricetag onto steam workshop where everyone is just reposting their old shit. Now it's just going to be hats for $2.

>See people on reddit arguing in favor of paid mods by bethesday with new accounts

I knew it, I knew I'd find paid shills on reddit trying to argue for this.

TODD COWARD
TODD COWARD
TODD COWARD

>>379991434
you dodged a bullet. I pulled orlandu and now im stuck.

>>379991448
>The premise here is that there will be curation, though.
We pretty muc already have curation through mod platforms like nexus.

Those places have a ratings system for a reason.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRkrascT_iM

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>>379981097
SO ARE THEY FREE OR NOT WHAT THE FUCK

>>379985269
Jeremy Clarkson's a boring old man with an immature sense of humour, though.

>>379990383

Nice try shill

>>379991810
They aren't.

Old mods will be free, new mod content through this program won't be.

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>>379981097
>No its not paid mods
>But pay us for todd dollars to use to purchase these mods

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>>379980321
Here are some thoughts on this from an actual modder.

>>379989829
For games we already have yes. But new games will have a split modding community.
The profesional ones that will only be in this for the money and have to worry about hardware restrains and the free ones. If free modding will still be a thing by then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH9dnQfec9E

>>379991810
They're not.
You have to pay them. Its just that they have to be original/exclusive to the platform. Any pre-existing mods can't just be added and made pay to play.

>>379991757

WHAT HAVE I BECOME

>>379991810
You see they're not mods. They're a partnership with bethesda and 'content creators' so it's not paid mods. It's creation club! Totally not paid mods since they interact with them.

>>379980321
>>379981097
>this literal lying
TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODDDDDDD

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>"""free"""
>but if you don't open your heart and vallet you ain't getting shit
There needs to be a big shitstorm raised over this.
It's not even subtle, it's like walking into a shop and telling the owner if he doesn't want any trouble he's going to pay Todd for protection.

>>379991573
MODD BUYWARD

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>>379981097
>>379980321
ignore mod

You're misenterpreting it. Creation Club is different from mods, they can be viewed as "add-ons".

Mods that are created by the average programmer can still be uploaded and downloaded for free

"Add-ons" will be lore friendly and developed alongside the approval of Bethesda, which is how they will still allow achievements and shit when used. So it will be impossible to rip an already free mod and re-purpose it for this.

>>379986804
>created internally
bet it's nothing more than simply appropriate said mods and label + sign them as their own.

>>379989476
>anon can't into math.

it's ok it's just another scheme to fleece console lobotomites out of money, the PC mod scene will continue

>>379992354

OK Mr. Bethesda employee.

>>379991207
>add 5
you mean subtract 5

>>379992354
Fuck off, Todd. I'm not buying more stolen mod content.

>>379992354
how many todd bucks did you get for making this post?

>>379991810
It will be curated so they'll invite the best modders and hand pick the best shit then ask if they want to release it for free or charge money.

>Just paid online!
>Just day one DLC
>Just content locked on the disk!
>Just a season pass!
>Just a few bucks for this mod!

This shit needs to stop.

>>379991970
>I no longer work on Skywind as life got in the way for me
Maybe he'd still be working on it if he knew there would be a paycheck after finishing it.

>>379980321
>>379980740
It's paid mod, however the modders have to create the new stuff, then it get curated to make sure it's good enough to be implemented into the game.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRkrascT_iM

oh boy its already bad

>>379992468
Generally, people who sell credits that you can then use to acquire things in a game want you to buy in bulk as opposed to smaller transactions and so will often make the dollar/credit ratio more in the customer's favor the more money they spend at once.

>>379992757
>>379992810
>>379992570
Yall are just blinded by sheer disappointment, I was too. But looking into this alittle more, they probably learned alot from that shit show with valve. I mean, they put off an actual game for this.

>>379993014
Read the post again. Mods like Skywind just aren't feasible when there is money involved.

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>>379980321
So they're official "mods" that you have to pay for?

Who would actually pay for this stuff though? Considering the quality of what Bethesda usually makes, I highly doubt they can outdo the modding scene, especially when the Nexus 100% free.

>>379993150
Yes but with the setup anon posted there was no reason to ever pay 50 bucks for 550 credits because it was more advantageous to buy 2400 credits for 20 bucks twice, and then 1100 credits for 10 dollars. Why would I buy 5500 credits for 50 bux when I could buy 5900 credits for 50 bux?

>>379991743
What? The point is this is different from the last time they tried to roll it out.

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>>379992970
Is this the dark ages of gaming?

Will things get even worse?

>>379980321
Is that motherfucking hellfire armor in the top right?

>>379992354

>reddit spacing

These fucking "add-ons" will replace cool and unique content made by the devs. Not only that, it'll incentivize making a barebones game because they'll be able to nickel and dime players. It's bringing the worst parts of a mobile F2P model to a real game. Disgusting.

>>379993150
He's saying the options in the post are not thought out

2 $20 + a $10 option gets you 300 more credits then the $50 option

>>379993370

It'll split the community. Why make a huge quest mod when you can shit out a flaming sword and make potentially hundreds of dollars from an afternoon of work?

>>379993613
Only if you KEEP BUYING AAA GAMES

It's not actually like their skyrim workshop paid mods. It's more like dota 2 workshop, except more cooperation. Authors would have to create original concepts, approve and test them with bethesda and then they will be sold.
There are 2 ways:
>1. a lot of modders would be willing to start over for a measly cut and it will basically become paid mods
>2. no one will fall for this and it will become horse armor shop that no one cares about
Personally, I think second option is a lot more likely, but it's not their first try to monetize mods, so I'm still worried for the future. Also it's basically microtransactions in AAA games which is already fucking horrible.

>>379993370
>Who would actually pay for this stuff though?
You'd be very surprised what a child buys when they don't understand money, but have mommy's credit card.

>>379987569
> in a way that wont create backlash
/v/ is on fire right now because of the announcement and their Youtube video revealing it has 10x more dislikes than likes.

>>379993686
>>379993461
Oh, I didn't notice that

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>>379992468
>>379993686
My mistake, but you guys do get the idea

>>379980321
Wait hold up forget if they're paid or not what's this about Beth testing the mods? What the fuck is that?

>>379994319
Yes, I was just making a joke at your expense.

>>379994052
So...the primary audience for Fallout 4?

>>379993613
It will get worse until hopefully the industry collapses again and has to rebuild by being not shit.

>>379994075

We'll see how long that lasts when Bethesda revs up their bot accounts. You don't understand how profitable this sort of business model is. Even if 0.1% of all players use this system, they'll still make a pretty hefty profit. I blame mobile for revealing this business model as lucrative.

>>379994417
They know exactly what they're doing.

Can't we boycott this shit? Sounds easy modders could just refuse to fucking use it in the first place or users could just up and leave letting modders dry up and go back to nexus or something

>>379994417
Its the primary audience of videogames. This is just microtransactions. It's nothing news. It's horse armor but in a generation where horse armor is not recognized as an egregious rip off.

>>379994025
Also it's only a part in their grand scheme of evil.
Now they are trying to expand bethesda.net by using console players as much as possible. Their goal is to have enough of a community to have a lot of modders that don't just think of them as a site to upload files to, while developing on nexus. After they reach critical mass, they send cease and desist to nexus, forcing everyone onto their platform. Now they can have paid mods or whatever the fuck they want.

>>379994985
I would like to say
>how to kill a company
but knowing the current gaming market, they would probably get away with it.

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>there are people on /v/ RIGHT NOW defending paid mods

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>>379994961
>tfw all these kids playing M rated games now
>tfw you were their age you were lucky if you were allowed to play T games
I blame their parents honestly, their just kids after all.

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>>379994859
How? It's just like Valve's TF2 and DOTA model. People make 3d hats and skins, submit them, and if valve decide to put it on the marketplace the creator can get some shekels out of it. People buy hats. You can't stop it.

>>379994961
>a generation where horse armor is not recognized as an egregious rip off.
i don't want to live in this timeline anymore

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>>379990842
>this just happened in my conversation with my brother
>the conversation ended with my brother saying "JUST SHUT UP"
>mfw

So how long until we can pirate mods?

>>379983002
*and zenimax

>>379992354
oh, so because it's an official add-on, you get it all with the season pass?

>>379995623
it's already been argued above in the thread, but essentially that's a shit argument because the nature of modding a single player RPG, and adding cosmetic items to a multiplayer game is completely an apples and oranges comparison.

>>379992704

I'm sure they'd like to, but that's not how positive marketing schemes work.

>>379994859
They rely on consoles, they don't know any better and don't have other options. Greedy modders will abandon their mods to shit out pink dildo skins for swords to make a quick buck, in process becoming dependent on their platform. It's a fucking disaster. Their mistake was to push paid mods on PC. Now they will push them on consoles, and it will be a lot more successful, they don't have other options. They will have their paid mods, bethesda will split modders between nexus and their platforms, get slaves working for a laughable "salary".
By splitting communities, they hope to reduce nexus enough that it stops being go-to platform for mods and crumbles without community support. They don't care about big mods, gameplay mechanics, or bug fixes. It's a lot easier to monetize a horse power armor. It's a lot more devious than their first attempt at paid mods.

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>>379994859
Except that most modders will instead of making anything unique or interresting now just shit out spiky armor and katanas to sell for a few bucks. As you read this, some guys are considering to abandon their project and just find a way to make as much cash with this as possible. You can´t blame them for doing so, but you can shit all over bethesda for enabling this.

>>379980321
i refuse to believe anyone is defending this unironically

>>379996015
You can start pirating right now.

reddit.com/r/modpiracy

>>379995636
>Wait Wait Wait.. Grandpa, you mean to tell me, that you played online for free? Then you just went to a site to download a mod for free from somebody who made it for free? You're lying! Next thing you're going to tell me is that games used to not have season passes!

>>379996381
Thankfully New Vegas, Fallout 3, and Oblivion are still pure and immune to the paid modding cancer.
Honestly, I've no idea why people even play Skyrim and Fallout 4 when those still exist.

>>379995701
Cognitive dissonance is such an unsatisfying way to win/end an argument, isn't it?

>>379996749
That wasn't really an argument.
I was just explaining how Creation Club works and apparently Bethesda is too based to do such horseshit for my brother.

It hurts a bit nonetheless.

>>379980321
>>379981097
Simplified: "We're not charging you to make or submit mods, you're only are being charged to download them."

>>379996220
I don't know what my argument is beyond "people buy hats." The necessity of being official regarding multiplayer/singleplayer is irrelevant. Mass effect added gambling crates to their single player game. People bought them. People buy hats.

>>379996618
Christ it's a sure sign we've entered the worst age when reddit stands up to this bullshit

>>379997512
I created the sub back when they first tried it in 2015. We've had several big name modders drop by.