Paying for Mods

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DEFEND THIS RIGHT NOW /V/

DEFEND IT RIGHT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

it was only a matter of time before they came back

>>379972017
Yeah, mods should do it for free.

They cut out the middleman, valve.
lmao

those stupid bastards

Eh fuck it, I'm out. Ah'm keepin me money.

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FUCK OFF BETHESDA

Anyone who didn't see this coming when Bethesda.net was announced is retarded.

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MMMMMM THIS E3 IS GOING GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Time to watch Zenimax kill itself.

How do they expect anyone to even buy anything? Everyone will just got back (or keep using) Nexus.

what entitles you to free content?

i know this may be a foreign concept to many, but some people actually WORK to create these things. what's wrong with compensating the people who make it?

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>every e3 feed still blowing the fuck up about paid mods
How to ruin your entire conference in one easy step.

>>379973241
Hey Todd

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Esports

>>379972484
Valve probably decided they weren't going to touch that mess again.

Why do people keep trying to kill PC gaming?

>>379972017
>bethesda was the kike's behind valve's push all along
Wow, who could have predicted this.

>>379973484
huh

>>379972432
Nice copypasta

>>379973241
Because compensating the people who make it to the tune of 25% is not OK, and you can ALREADY compensate the people who make it by donating to them, something Zenimax doesn't get a cut of.

>>379973228
By gating off content exclusively to Bethnet. Of course that won't stop people from pirating mods. They way that Skyrim and FO4 handle DLC and mod content makes pirating them trivial.

And trainwiz is in it on it

>>379973781
aren't their games the one with the most mods out there?

though they should be grateful that the mods sell their game,
instead they wanted to jew more out of it.

>>379973773
Didn't you hear? Paid mods are coming to PS4 and Xbone too.

>>379974467
explain

>>379974642
>Thomas the Tank Engine cameo
>trainwiz suddenly silent

>people will fucking pay for mods
If you do this you will hurt the industry more than buying DLC ever did
Please for the love of god, do not do this

>>379973118
>relative timestamps in a screenshot
kys yourshelf

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>>379972017
Gaming is dead and it's getting fucking worse.

Holy shit. Fuck any publisher making you pay mods.

>>379974256
This. Not to mention, many people won't mind just playing the old games with mods that make the older games better than the new ones, while no plays the new games anymore because the mods are overpriced junk that no one can guarantee works. Yeah, that's right, if shit breaks your game, you're SOL. And that happens VERY often. You think Bethesda is going to refund any of it? And even if they did, how many times would they even try?

Cant wait to pirate all the new great quality paid mods.

>>379975017
>expecting people to not piss away their consumer rights

>>379972286
The game market is gonna crash.

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>>379972017
Lad

>>379973241
When did you retarded fanboys start showing up to 4chan?

>>379975169
This. That shit is supposed to be for the community by the community. Fuck off Beth with your greedy hands. Modders get paid fine through donations if they even care enough. Most do it for the enjoyment. Valve already showed the problem with this. It ONLY ever attracts the shit heads that want to release halfbaked, broken shit that helps no one and is just for a quick buck. It's literally EXACTLY what happened when Valve tried it and exactly what Steam greenlight became.

>this fails miserably
>valve sees it "wow that would lose us tons of money"
>leaves mods alone, continues making more hats for DOTA and TF2

Everything turned out okay?

>>379973241
What entitles them to make money? They chose to make a mod out of a game out of love or an idea to improve the quality if the game. Sure, nothing wrong with people donating to them if they did a good job but outright charging for a fucking MOD is rediculous.

>>379973241
ive been making mods since quake 3 and never got paid for it nor did i ever expect to. modding a hobby for FUN not e-welfare, if you want that go to youtube. and besides do you REALLY think this is done in the best interests of the modders? spoilers: it isn't. anyone who says otherwise is selling you something. you haven't modded anything a day in your fucking life anyways so you opinion is vapid and useless.

>>379976042
This basically. If that's the case. I'm going to go release they shittiest mods (ala steam greenlight) and flood that shitty market with dredge and just make money off of it. Clearly that's what they want modding to be right? If we're gonna fuck the game industry up the ass, might as well go all in, eh? Fuck dignity, or actually caring about a game/series. This industry doesn't, so why should I?

>>379976646

Actually, you might be onto something. This is what killed the paid mods last time, so a repeat will more than likely fix it.

>>379976031
Valve said this is not over yet.

>Valve's Alden Kroll wrote at the time. "We understand our own game's communities pretty well, but stepping into an established, years old modding community in Skyrim was probably not the right place to start iterating. We think this made us miss the mark pretty badly, even though we believe there's a useful feature somewhere here."
>We understand our game's communities pretty well
>But we don't

loudly lmao

>>379976439
I couldn't agree more. I've made/making mods for Jedi Academy and for Dark Souls 1 (haven't released yet, but with Wulf2k's tools it's in the works). I would prefer a community where I can release mods and EVERYONE can access them, and in return my so called "payment" is the freedom to download any mods I like from the community. It works far better that way.

>>379976953

A hit to their wallet will make them understand. It's the only way big corporates CAN understand.

>>379976889
Hell, I was joking, but you're right. We won't really need to do any of that leg work though. There are plenty of lazy scumbag "capitalist" types who love shit like this. They'll do most of the work for us. There is one thing you can depend on in capitalism. The greedy people will ALWAYS fuck everything up. It's true here too.

>>379972286
>defend freedom
not today gommie

>>379972286

i cant. bethesda is tone deaf trash now

It's simple, single out and hunt down modders that participate

>>379972286
Why weren't you there, todd? Were you afraid of being called out?

>>379977448

I mean shucks, you could make the worst mod possible, and it still wouldn't compare to the REALISTIC HORSE GENITAL ADD-ON that was advertised on the front page of steam for 99 bucks.

>Paid mods
>Todd didn't even show up

>>379972286
its not even paid mods though. My guess is that you gain coins for playing and or doing missions in game and you use the coins to purchase mods. No real life currency is involved here.

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>Always say that Paid Mods for Skyrim wasn't valve's Idea, but something Bethesda talked them into, and that they made an entire platform just to sell their mods after Valve told them to fuck off
>Insist the sole reason Bethesda.net exists is to sell mods in the future
>People on /v/ always call me retarded
>This happens

Feels good to be vindicated. Can you say sorry, /v/?

>>379976439
>>379976991
i'm actually a content creator for DOTA2 and some TF2.

valves compensation system actually makes it a sustainable part-time job type of gig. i get to do what i want and then track the popularity and success of my content via income.

it's done really well and most other content creator i'm friends with are very satisfied with it.

maybe if you're a low tier content creator you feel like it's fucking you, but for people who are at the top of their game really like it. hate to say this.. (really, I do), but... sounds like a classic case of the mad cuz bads

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>>379977342
Last time indeed hit their wallets, Gayben said 'Pissing off the Internet costs you a million bucks in just a couple of days' in reference to his stupid Rebbit posts.

We can only hope this second wave will be another million hit so they can fuck off already.

>>379978650
>He thinks 'credits' don't mean currency you buy with real money

HAHAHAHAHA

>>379975751
The worst part is that came from Bethesda of all places. The company where the games are so half-baked that they needed mods to get it fixed

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https://creationclub.bethesda.net/en

>>379978650
>No real life currency is involved here.
Keep dreaming, Dreamboy.

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>you lived long enough to pirate mods
i dont even

Bethesda thinks that this will works because DLC worked too. Difference is, DLC is the norm now because of normies and casuals who are too dumb to understand the consequences of supporting such practices. People who use mods are genrally more aware.

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>>379973241
>what entitles you to free content?

Because mods have always been free, you fucking Jew! Why is it fair to all of a sudden start charging for them?

Seriously kill yourself.

>>379979130
>Selling paid third-party mods
>Saying they're not mods

Fuck off Bethesda

>>379978881
>When man can finally slay giants

>>379978839
I'm genuinely glad to hear someone from the flipside of the argument talk about their opinion for once. Glad you shared some insight anon.

Kill me.

>>379973118
They sell millions of units. They aren't going anywhere.

Excuse me but how is paid mods a bad thing?

If you want new content for the games you already love to pay then you should have no problem paying for that content.

>>379972017
And yet there's three pro Bethesda E3 threads up right now.
Why are so many of you faggots drones for a shitty company?

>>379979130
>We looked many ways to do paid mods
>We spent many hours thinking how to jew our consumers
oy

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>>379978650
>https://creationclub.bethesda.net/en
>How do I get Creation Club content?
>Creation Club is available via in-game digital marketplaces in both Fallout 4 and Skyrim Special Edition and purchased with Credits. Credits are available for purchase on PSN, Xbox Live, and Steam. Your Credits are transferable and can be used in both games on the same platform.

>>379972286
I remember playing Morrowind on my Xbox...I got it cheap at a Gamestop bargain bin...

Now Bethesda is becoming some sort of evil that would make EA go to church.

>>379972017

Are they fucking bananas?

>>379974190
>I know all the details of something that doesn't have any details out yet
You are stupid as fuuuuck.

>>379979453
This is specifically aimed at normies.

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>>379979130
>But, there’s a constant demand from our fans to add more official high quality content to our games, and while we are able to create a lot of it, we think many in our community have the talent to work directly with us and create some amazing new things.

Fuuuuuuck yoooooouuuuuuuuu

>>379979592
this.

>>379979130
>they aren't paid mods if they are original
What?

>>379978839
>i'm actually a content creator for DOTA2 and some TF2.
so you made some meme skins that normies paid for? good job

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>>379979130
>It's not paid mods expect you have to pay to get mods

>>379979592
>((()))

JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU FUCKS, WE HAVE TO SUPPORT THE MODDERS CREATORS. THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN SOONER OU LATER, JUST STOP BEING SO POORFAG FOR FUCKING CHRIST SAKE

>>379979840
ok i take my words back. fuck credits and fuck bethesda

>>379979592
>If you want new content for the games you already love to pay then you should have no problem paying for that content.

yes its called donating directly to modders and bypassing a middleman who take a cut. when you donate to charity you want all your money to go to charity right and to to a ceo who sits in an office all day.

>>379980127
hows your son todd

>>379979130
basically it's community outsourcing for mini expansion contents

This isn't paid mods. Read the site, it's a new term for microtransactions in their games.

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I CAN'T BELIEVE WE'RE BACK TO THIS AGAIN

AFTER PAID MODS CAUSED CONSOLES TO BRICK

AFTER PAID MODS CAUSED CREATORS TO GET COPYRIGHT CLAIMED BY ASSET FLIPPERS

AFTER PAID MODS RESULTED IN TONS OF COPYRIGHTED SHIT RIPPED FROM OTHER GAMES AND PUT ONTO WORKSHOP

AFTER PAID MODS CAUSED THE BIGGEST MODDING SITE EVER TO SHUT DOWN TEMPORARILY

HOW CAN ONE COMPANY BE SO STUPID? HOW?

ARCHIVE NEXUSMODS EVERYONE TO A PERSONAL ARCHIVE, IT WILL BE GONE BY THE END OF THE WEEK

>>379974467

you better back that kind of shit talking up with some sauce senpei

>>379979130
Wait, what's the problem with this?

It says the content will go through a full dev cycle, this should just help add lore friendly content to a game that is fully polished. I think it's perfect and people can still make a free mod and not put it in creation club.

>>379979592
>>379979923

Kill yourself.

>>379978650
Fuck you, I do that sort of retarded hoopjumping for sad panda. Not for something that I used to be able to out of my own agency.

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>>379972017
>you now live in a reality where you're forced to pirate mods

>>379972286
There is no defending this. They are trying to keep 2 dead games lives through modding and getting paid for others works.

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And yet there's so many Bethesda fanboys on this board, given the amount of Todd and Bethesda E3 threads people made.
You guys are disgusting.

>>379979130
From the way i understand this, its not payed mods,

bethesda is outsourcing their DLC production

>>379980543
you can only buy them with bethesda credits and you get credits with real money.

>>379980656
it'll be so easy, too

>>379979902
nvm just read the details. Thought it would work like valve's paid mods but this seems like it will be better integrated into the games themselves.
Good thing I hated Skyrim and Fallout 4, else I would've been mad about this. Bethesda games are too bland for me.

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>>379979495
Stay upset.

>>379978967
it doesn't have to be real money. i'm sure they'll allow us to fill out surveys or something for credit. or maybe they will do like a game time X hours = X credits, that would be cool. play more of the game and then get rewarded with credits to change the way you play

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>>379979130
>N-not paid mods w-we s-swear!
>But you have to pay for credits to get these mods goy
>P-please this will go to charity to help Africa-american kids in need, we s-swear!

>>379978839
This is the only replay you need to read in this whole argument.

People are only devastated because they won't get free content no more. Sorry man, people gotta eat. Small time modders will still make some small free content but the real game changers will be much higher quality thanks to this system.

Or you could you know stop playing fucking bethesda games you fucks.

>>379979130
>we spent lots of time trying to figure out how to exploit this previously free and passion driven community yet still maintain a semblance of humanity for the shills
lel

> WEAPONS: New weapons, material skins, parts, etc.
> APPAREL: New outfits, armor, and items for your character.
> WORLD: New locations, decorations, foliage, etc.
> CHARACTERS: New abilities, characters, companions, etc.
> CREATURES: New enemies, mounts, pets, etc.
> GAMEPLAY: New types of gameplay like survival mode, etc.
This does seem like neat stuff modders almost never make new characters and quest properly because they're shit at voice acting. Knowing Bethesda all this stuff will be as easy to pirate as downloading a single file and dropping it in your mod folder.

>>379979130

As I recall the biggest issue with the last time they tried this was the lack of all quality control, so this is more like DLC.

Unfortunately things like individual weapons and item re-skins represent the absolute worst type of DLC imaginable. Gunrunners arsenal for Fallout NV was bad enough.

>>379980802
and?

You don't have to buy them, make \ use only free mods if you don't want to pay for dlc.

I mean it's basically contracting out people to make assets for the game which they do anyway.

>>379980543
>It says the content will go through a full dev cycle
They're fucking lying. They're not going to do QA on mods because that would require doing QA on literally hundreds of miniature entries and ensuring they work with the hundreds of other entries.

Do a statistical combination on however many entries you think the service will ever have. Let's do a combo of 3000 mods (reasonable, Nexus mods has over 10,000). That results in more possible combinations of mods than there are atoms in your computer.

You can't do QA testing on an infinitely expanding codebase. It's going to be filled wtih buggy and broken shit, and even then it will be filled with things stolen from its original creators. Remember Steam Workshop paid mods? Remember how many people were reporting their work stolen and nothing was done?

>>379980915
Hey kid, read this. >>379979840

>Credits are available for purchase

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How long till they disable the comments and the ratings?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRkrascT_iM

>>379973241
Please, for the love of all that is holy, go kill yourself. Remove your despicable, waste of human flesh of an existence from this world. You're the perfect example of everything that's wrong with the gaming industry today, and I wish for you to fucking disappear.

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>>379979964
are you familiar with dota2 at all? if it were any other game i might yield but dota2 actually has a very strict vetting process in terms of minimizes memeage and staying in line with theme/lore.

the "alpine ursa" set was widely rejected because it was deemed too meme and removed from the market. there's not a lot of wiggle room on that end, so it actually comes down to creative, well-modeled content.

From the actual website

Is Creation Club paid mods?

No. Mods will remain a free and open system where anyone can create and share what they’d like. Also, we won’t allow any existing mods to be retrofitted into Creation Club, it must all be original content. Most of the Creation Club content is created internally, some with external partners who have worked on our games, and some by external Creators. All the content is approved, curated, and taken through the full internal dev cycle; including localization, polishing, and testing. This also guarantees that all content works together. We’ve looked at many ways to do “paid mods”, and the problems outweigh the benefits. We’ve encountered many of those issues before. But, there’s a constant demand from our fans to add more official high quality content to our games, and while we are able to create a lot of it, we think many in our community have the talent to work directly with us and create some amazing new things.

So from that I'm guessing it's officially supported mods made either in-house or from partners, not affecting previous mods. 100% optional, I'm fine with it, won't support it at all, but its not pitchfork worthy.

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So basically they are mods, but they need to get approved and polished(lmao) by Bethesda before they sell them. Well, if you're going to sell mods this is probably the best way it could be done.

>>379974467
Typical

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>>379972017
What the fuck were those points things they showed on the purchase screen? I can feel all the mods on Bethesda's site getting removed right now so the creators can reupload them for $$$.

>>379981301
yes i dont need to buy them just pirate from some torrent site.

I don't think people understand that paid mods are giving people job opportunities. In this world plagued by massive fucking companies controlling everything this is pretty beneficial for content creators.

I told you, I told you, I fucking told you.

Back when they did this shit the first time I said "Theyre gonna try it again in the future" and sure enough...

How much you wanna bet that all their future games will be locked down to where you HAVE to use their paid mod service?

I'll never buy any more of their games.

>>379981065
We've had major game mods in the past and we could in the future just as well without pissing on the functioning system.
>but the real game changers will be much higher quality thanks to this system.
You slag bethesda, and then give them the responsibility of quality control on something that if on the market guarantees them a shekel
Kill
Yourself
My
Man

So that's it then, paid mods will become standard soon. Betheshit couldn't fucking stop at making DLC standard. Worst of all, this makes modders Betheshit's cheap labour. They can fire the three QA guys and have their modder sweatshop fix their broken messes.

>>379981458
Time to get a job, Pablo.

>>379981301
>You don't have to buy them
Yes I fucking do if I want to buy the mods that I've used previously.
Are you so new that you don't remember when Steam Workshop mods happened? Every major modder, better skins, better weapons, better combat, even SkyUI. All of them reverted to paid-for modding the same day they were announced.

Same day.

If you wanted to mod skyrim with the latest versions, you had to buy. Not just buy one thing, oh no, you had to buy every dependency that a mod required.

If you've ever looked at a skyrim mod, all of them have a ton of dependencies. SkyUI is a must, for instance.

Which is why this is fucking stupid.

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>>379981457
>The comments and dislike ratio

>>379981229
>pirating mods
>pirating
>mods
Just listen to yourself
Is this the kind of fucked up shit you want in the industry?

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>>379980656

>>379981660
>In this world plagued by massive fucking companies controlling everything this is pretty beneficial for content creators.

Bethesda creations is controlled by fucking Bethesda. Are you so retarded that you don't realize the thing you hate is actually this?

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Are you ready to pay for single pieces of equipment /v/?

>>379981668
Fucking everyone knew they were going to try this shit again. Valve openly said they would in the future.

porn mods are the only ones worth paying for and bethesda isn't going to sell those

>mods
I think you mean "community DLC"

>>379981786

Looks like they only plan on selling 3d assets, so armor, weapons and monsters probably.

>>379981660
This gives the massive fucking companies controlling everything a advantage not to mention gatekeeper status over what gets passed and paid or not.

What about mods that relied on donations in order to remain independent, what's wrong with that system?

All you valve and bethesda shitters PLEASE fucking kill yourselves.

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>>379981481
>dota2 actually has a very strict vetting process in terms of minimizes memeage and staying in line with theme/lore.
maybe years ago
either way stop shilling your trash f2p game you subhuman shitskin spic, get back in /vg/

>>379981668
I was going to buy New Vegas on GOG but seeing this shit actually made me disgusted. Good thing I never bought any of their products

>>379981508
It's basically outsourced DLC. What this would do is drive a wedge in the community and mod developers will want a piece of the pie. Is not as bad as pay mods but it will have deep repercussions, many developers will surely want to jump ship.

Not 100% optional nigger, good devs are going to make essential cool shit pay only.

>>379981508
It's paid mods.
You have to pay money to purchase a currency in order to buy mods.

>Also, we won’t allow any existing mods to be retrofitted into Creation Club,
Bullshit. They said the same thing about Steam Workshop mods, and people just reformatted and submitted.

Bethesda cannot control this. It's either going to be filled with people stealing free mods or asset flippers. They've lied about this in the past, too.

>>379973771
Valve already has paid skins and fucking Graffiti of all things.

>>379982053
All I'm trying to say is Bethesda is paying content creators to do what they do best.

So I just have to spend a few dollars to get to play more mods.

What's the problem with that?

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>>379982137

No, but i'm ready to sell them

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Fucking kek

>>379982251
I'm sure you work for donations, anon-kun. That's why you can't afford premium horse armour.

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BUY MY MODS. DO IT. THEY'RE BETTER THAN THAT FREE SHIT.

>>379982137
>Pay for a bow reskin
>Pay for a mudcrab
>Pay for survival mode
>Pay for a hat
W E W
E
W

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>>379981321
A full dev cycle doesn't include infinite testing on any aspect though. That's why every single game in existence has bugs.

It's literally impossible not to have bugs, but it's good to have proper VA, lore friendly and polished mods.

>>379981786

>old mods will be paid
> Also, we won’t allow any existing mods to be retrofitted into Creation Club, it must all be original content.

????

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>>379972017
DELETE THIS THREAD RIGHT NOW

>>379982408
>tfw valve made paid sprays with limited uses
How do they get away with it EVERY SINGLE TIME

>>379981660
>MUH JERBS
If you're modding a game, you do it for love of the game. If you're modding because you expect to get paid for it, then you need to be making a game instead of modding one.
Letting people charge for mods is only going to result in shitty DLC that is worse than Steam Greenlight in terms of quality control. At least Steam Greenlight requires a functional product.

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I can't tell between the shills and ironic shills anymore
McFucking kill yourselves if you support Bethesda going full merchant

>>379982137
i already have those things lmfao

>>379982612
I mean, if you broke a game down into it's components, what are you buying anyway?

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>TFW Mod Piracy will actually be mod piracy

wew lad

>>379982313
isn't dota2 literally everything gamers want?

>dedicated developers who listen to feedback
>no pay 2 win
>full access to all actual gameplay content and updates for free, no time or money commitment required

isn't this the ideal video game model? in a thread that is freaking out over a video game going in the wrong direction? seems relevant to me

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my face as well.

It was all Bethesda. I fucking knew it. Valve did nothing wrong, they just followed Bethesda idea.

>>379981869
I don't care the industrys going to shit and theres nothing I can do about it. It's not like me pirating their mods will encourage this bullshit.

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BUY MY MODS. SUSTAIN ME, GIVE ME POWER SO THAT I MAY GROW AND CONQUER THE EARTH

>>379982327
I'm pirating GoG NV right now, Obsidian won't see a peeny from this anyway.

>>379982441
Why don't the modders put donation links? People would gladly pay for that shit, or even use a patreon. I don't fucking want huge corporations taking a cut from things that were made by the community

>>379982137
>Press X to purchase credits

I bet they're going to inflate the fuck out of these credits worth so it costs like 5 real dollars for 200 Bethesda goy coin to buy that helmet. Horse Armor on steroids.

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We proud to present to you our next big project: PAID MODS. We think you're really going to love it!

>>379982765
>Letting people make their own mutually-beneficial financial deals is bad.
no

> Paid mods.
> Niggers.
> SJW bullshit.

Worst E3 conference ever?

>>379982479
only good thing to come out of this

The real Jew move is that instead of buying a $3 mod, you'll have to buy $5+ worth of credits.

>>379983074

They are autistic.

I wonder what the pricing would be.

I mean if you could pay like, a cent or two for a hat you could just sell a Mann Co. crate in TF2 to get it. But if they want a dollar for a hat then they're showing how big of jews they can be.

Inb4 Bethesda bans people from recreating for free anything similar to their paid mods.

>>379982441
No, they are selling the work of content creators and taking a cut for no work of their own, and promoting the cannibalizing of the current modding community so they can line their pockets.

As a modder, I make shit for myself. Then put it up on Nexus as a courtesy to other players. At no point have I ever thought "Gee, I I have 80,000 downloads, I should have added that donate button." Only 3 people would have donated, anyway, and I would still look like an asshole (just $3 richer).

>>379982634
And who the fuck is going to regulate this market, shitdick? Bethesda? The fucks who can't even produce a functional game on an engine they've used for a fucking decade?

>>379982634
they'll just fucking flip the mods and put it onto the service. Why do you think Bethesda is going to police anything on this service? Why would someone seriously make a new mod from scratch when they already have a free mod they can just turnover.

This will be Steam Greenlight all over again with Bethesda promising that they'll be having strict enforcement while rome burns around them.
Go to bed, Todd.

>>379974467
>Namefagging attention whore with overinflated ego who releases meme mods is in on the paid mods
WOW I'M COMPLETELY SHOCKED AND AMAZED AT THIS TURN OF EVENTS

>>379982634
>copy files
>del mod
>reupload
????

>>379983104
Or worse. Thing costs 100 shekels, can only buy 500 shekels minimum.

I already make 125k a year.

Spending a few bucks on mods is fine for me.

Sorry for you guys that are getting mad about this lol

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>>379982479
cheeky cunt

26 year old here. Is it time for a new hobby, /v/?

>>379982901
If by gamers you mean poorfag third world subhumans.

>>379983443
>>379983506
top lel.

Let me know when your vaginas cool down.

There was literally nothing wrong with greenlight. You could use steam and never even see greenlight.

>>379983601
???

>release game
>intentionally leave minor, not too game breaking bugs in
>make "unofficial" patch totally not made by an employee paid
Can't wait to pay for patches.

>>379983439
this
>mp game
>made mod to make game more fun
>share mod to see others opinions on its balance and to share the fun

>>379983386
Define 'similar.'
If your copy is so similar as to be derivative then you'll get the DMCA takedown.

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>>379983679

>>379982479

Did dream boy make that as a call for help?

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>>379982851
>people always get "hyped" for E3 on /v/
>the same time every year where it gets absolutely saturated with shills trying to damage control their godawful conferences
People are fucking retarded.

>>379980543
fuck off todd

>>379974605
I am a PS4 owner, so this both excites and scares me. Are we getting proper third party content? Basically like DLC, right? Someone explain.

I dont understand, if Bethesda itself is creating the content, how is it paid mods? Wouldn't it be more appropriate to call this microtransaction DLC? It isn't like they are going to be allowing ANYONE to submit their shit to the system and charge whatever for it now like Valve was planning on doing. It's just DLC on a smaller scale.

>>379983732
Yes, start archiving mods, we pirate mods now.

>>379972017
At best it's like ubisofts system where you get credits for playing games, then can use those credits on any game to unlock some type of item. At worst it's paid Mods.

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>>379983679
>125k a year

>>379982251
>>379982765
forget I said anything I fucked up

>>379978839
I can't ever take people who call themselves "content creators" seriously, it's the vaguest fucking job title. Those OMG WATCH ME PLAY THIS GAME AND THEN SCREAM AT THE THING youtube fucks are also considered "content creators"

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>>379983732
Or or or just bear with me here or uh you could uh play older games instead.

>>379983679
Yeah, dude. Money is nothing to me. I used to get lunch from this guy near my job, but then this company started selling me the guy's food. It's a little more expensive, but it's good for the guy's business, and the company only takes 30%, so whatever. I'm not poor.

>People laugh thinking original mods will still be around

Remember the horse armor bullshit? That shit spread like wildfire. We have so many cosmetic DLC nowadays that we treat it as normal. Once we accept this happening, other companies will do the same thing and will copy them

>>379983732
Yes, you are clearly too poor to play video games. Might I suggest an efficient form of entertainment, like movie-going?

>>379984057

Looks like that is the idea on paper, modders make stuff, Bethesda picks stuff that is "worth it", and then they polish it and turn it into a DLC.

In practice i'm sure it's going to be a mess.

>>379984057
no

>no SKSE/script extender on consoles due to MS/sony "rules"
>no good mods

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>>379981457

>>379983894
>There was literally nothing wrong with greenlight.
Blow your brains out for being so fucking clueless and stupid.
This is like living under a rock on mars that's being sucked into a black hole level of clueless and stupid. Just let these words sit as a monument to your clueless stupidity.

yeah sure, nothing wrong with an entire service dedicated to stealing games other people made, stealing assets put up for free on the unity store, and producing garbage; some of it malware, for the purposes of abusing Steam's trading card system.

It should be a crime to be this dumb, you imbecile.

>>379982479
In the end we never really change do we?

>>379984059
Because it's actual devs AND community mod makers.

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>>379982137
>mudcrab armor

>>379984282

Other companies already do this, so i don't know why it's so shocking. Valve and Digital Extremes(Warframe) come to mind.

>>379983901
>be bethesda
>make ultra shitty UI on porpouse
>most downloaded mod is a UI redesign
>get a cut for every download
>i'm literally being paid for doing the shittiest UI of all time

>>379984342
yes this is the real steam experience
give us a list of 20 games that are on steam right now that are stolen

>>379984342
>>379983894
Also if you developed Unity games, Steam Greenlight ruined Unity by forcing most asset creators to make their service paid and force a long-term service contract just to deter asset flippers from mashing a bunch of shit together and putting it on Steam Greenlight.

I think that's a pretty apt prediction of what will happen here. Nexusmods will probably go pay-to-use soon because of all the russians and chinese who will just flip assets from there and put it on the paid-for store.

Just like they did the first time they tried this!

Again, go to bed Todd.

>>379984348
jewing. jewing never changes

The Romans waged war to gather slaves and wealth. Spain built an empire from its lust for gold and territory. Hitler shaped a battered Germany into an economic superpower.

But jewing never changes.

>>379984282
Gotta love how Bethesda regularly injects new doses of cancer in the vidya industry.

>>379973771
They said back in May that their mistake was trying to shoehorn paid mods into an established game with an established modding community and next time will try it on a brand new game.
They're not giving up on it either.

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>EA announce BF 2
>Decent gameplay closer to the original and FREE DLC/content

>Bethesda goes full jew paid mods strike back

What timeline is this?
EA are the bad guys

>>379984490
>actual devs
More like an intern thats just going to select the Bethesda seal of """quality""" box before uploading the mod to their site.

>>379984652
Can't anymore because Steam Greenlight got fucking deleted :^)
It got deleted because Valve was as clueless and stupid as you and Bethesda are.

This will fail just like Steam Greenlight failed.

500k starting salary here laughing my ass off (lmao) at all these poor hobos who can't toss out a few bucks for some new weapons and a mudcrab pet (lol@u)

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>>379984194

>old games with broken mechanics and unaliased graphics

y-yeah i love daggerfal

>>379984308
Well, from what I gathered, it looks like Bethesda is working on it, in studio... So, would a script extender be needed? Bethesda does all that remodeling and tuning up, so technically it's first party stuff, in Sony's eyes.

Again, I am worried... What's to stop someone from making a shitty mod and selling it?

>>379985024
you can't name 20 games delivered through steam that were stolen, because greenlight was replaced with a one hundred dollar deposit
nice low iq shitposting there m8

>>379985209

Bethesdas quality control.

Take that for what you will.

>>379984935
>implying Bethesda have ever been good guys
Horse armor

>>379984652
not him but you can check out Jim Sterling's channel and watch as he plays a stolen game filled with flipped assets every week.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlRceUcRZcK17mlpIEPsV8gRg_Kjxuy_3

90% of these are stolen using copyrighted assets. Half of them got approved. There's over a hundred videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTki8oDfUmE

Here's a game that cleared the Greenlight hurdle and costs five bucks while being made entirely of assets stolen from Amnesia.

>>379984308
Fuck I wonder if they'll even allow the mods on this to rely on external shit like SKSE.

>>379979592
Mods have always been fundamentally community-driven. They've represented fans of games who have put their own time and effort into making what they wanted to make.

With this, the paradigm is at risk of change to a community who creates mods for financial gain.

>>379980656
>>379980656
You know that's the fucked up thing too. It's not easy to get around the bullshit that I hate about gaming now.

I don't like DLC, so I wait for ultimate versions or just pirate because fuck you for not finishing the game.

I don't like microtransaction games so I don't play/buy them because they are going to have shit progression to perpetuate the microtransactions anyways.

And yes, I could very easily just torrent the mods for easy use. But the problem isn't that we can get around it. Why in the fuck should we have to? This is goddamn ridiculous. This is why I don't buy games anymore. Hell I don't even buy games from studios who I probably can trust, but the honest truth is that... well you never know anymore. You can't tell whose gonna fuck you on the game or change their mind and go full DLC/Micros. So I said fuck em. I don't really buy very many if any games anymore. And that's sad. I have the money, but this industry just doesn't seem to want it. Just to fuck with us for power plays.

i wonder (((who))) is behind the paid mods

>>379985209
>trusting bethesda to make something good involving scripts
>looks at vanilla skyrims "civil war"

>What's to stop someone from making a shitty mod and selling it?
nothing

People who grew up with shitty DLC and microtransactions won't know any better and support it. They'll even defend it. We're fucked, /v/.

>>379984342
>this mad
You are fucking retarded if you think any asset flip game were a problem because most licenced the assets. The ones that were stolen get taken down.

>>379984723
What the fuck? Asset creators give licenses for people to use their assets. If you are developing a game and people steal those assets it got taken down.

You do realise there is an application process right? Random russian \ chinese cunts won't be able to apply unless they can back up their 'work'.

How is /v/ this fucking retarded?

>>379985209
Same thing that stops bethesda making a shitty game and selling it.

Fucking nothing.

>>379985409
>U CAN'T NAME THEM :^(
You're fucking retarded. Also greenlight already required a hundred dollar deposit you fucking mongoloid.

Nice Low IQ shitposting there, M8. Being such a literal slack-jawed retard that you didn't even realize that Steam Greenlight already had a 100 dollar entrance fee.

Do some research before you shitpost next time, stupid kid.

INTRODUCING CREATIONCLUB CRATES

NOW YOU CAN SPEND 1500 CREATION CREDITS TO OPEN A CREATIONCRATE AND GET A RANDOM MOD FOR YOU FAVVVOOOORITE BETHESDA GAME!!!

>>379985628
>It's not easy
retarded me

I mean it's not hard to get around, not that it's not easy. It is easy.

>>379985572
provide a list of 20 games on steam that are stolen games
valve added over 4k games in 2016 so it should be an easy task

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Guys its ok its not paid mods

>>379982765
The implication from the FAQ is that this isn't really fanmade content in the same way mods are. It's Bethesda commissioning other programmers and artists to make dlc for them. You have to submit an application and portfolio and go through a hiring process before making anything.

>>379985409
see >>379985572
There's a hundred stolen games. Is that enough?

>>379982137
500 for a survival mode, assumably with entire new mechanics for sleep, food, water, cold meters and ways to avoid them.

300 for a weapon skin

The fuck is bethsoft doing?

>>379973241

Modders can already ask for money

Bethesda just want a cashgrab by forcing that every mod is paid and asking the 90% of the deal

>>379983928
>Paid mod that adds usable boats
>Bethesda dmcas any free mods that do the same thing

>>379986007
>most of it is created internally

Oh shit boys we're finally gonna get those spears from that video they did years ago.

>>379981660
modding was always a job opportunity you underage fuck. great map makers for games like quake and unreal were literally hired as professional level designers. this has happened in a myriad of games over the past 20 years.

>>379985678
Their shills and ironic shills m8, the generation used to this mess has not yet been born, and won't be if we can stop this before Todd makes us bear witness to his ascension.

>>379972017
its not paying for mods

its getting paid to make mods. Credits are just achievement points.

>yfw TES 6 is f2p with mods as microtransactions as the only source of payment

bethesda is saved

>>379985818
steam direct is literally a deposit per game
greenlight had a one-time participation fee, not a per title fee
nice list of games btw

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>>379982137

>PAYING 200 BETHESDA FUNBUX FOR A GRAY HAT

>>379974467
Isn't he making his own game

>>379980656
Had to do this with Sims 2, fucking paysites, which are against the EA EULA, but they operated shamelessly anyways, shit like $10 for a Mars retexture of the green landscape, and all those adult and lewd mods locked behind paywalls..

Paysites must be destroyed

>>379972017
>tfw haven't bought a Bethesda game since skyrim in 2011

feels good, i even pirated the DLC and will never buy anything form Bethesda again

fuck them

>>379986007

basically microtransactions

lul

we're never going to see another elder scrolls game. microtransactions completely ruin studios. just look at GTA5. no single player DLC. no word at all on another GTA.

>>379981707
Yep, there will be no "better quality". We learned that (and it was easy to tell anyways) from Steam paid mods attempt. It's only going to flood the market with more fucking garbage and then mods will lost their luster and there will be trust issues. This isn't going to work any better than Valve's attempt.

>>379986057
no i'm not watching a jim sterling video to verify "asset flipping" (not stolen games)
this is such a prevalent issue you should be able to show us 20 games that someone downloaded and uploaded to greenlight for money

>>379985681
>You are fucking retarded if you think any asset flip game were a problem because most licenced the assets.
Very, very few on Greenlight licensed Assets you stupid mong. You are retarded if you think they licensed them instead of just stealing them.

Stealing a Unity Asset just required downloading the asset and putting it in your game. It also required changing the licensing on your project, which most did not.

It's the perfect analog to what is going to happen to this service.

Plus we already know that this is going to happen BECAUSE PAID MODS WERE ALREADY A THING ONCE AND THEY FUCKING RESULTED IN HUNDREDS OF MODS BEING STOLEN

Fucking stupid underaged kid

You need to let your balls drop before you're allowed to post on /v/- Video Games.

This incident is less than a year old and I already have pieces of human fucking garbage going "Lele prove that mods will be stolen protip u can't :^)" when we can fucking look back at articles less than 12 months old detailing how many mods were stolen

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-04-24-a-paid-skyrim-steam-workshop-mod-has-already-been-pulled

Fucking stupid kids. I don't know why people defend this unless they're just fucking retards.

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>>379986354
>>379981660


A more recent example is the Long War team for Xcom, 2K hired them to make Long War 2 for Xcom 2 to promote the game.

>modders ITT actually want to be the equivalent of Chinese labour
What the fuck is wrong with you people?

Can we call this community DLC? That what it seems like to me.

>>379986928
There aren't any modders here, just a bunch of Mexican freeloaders.

>>379986087
>Charging anything for a survival mode when there's been free mods that do the same thing for 10 years

>>379986668
Yeah, because Rockstar were known for shooting those games out at lightning speed before.

>>379985209
>Bethesda
>Coding

Do you even know what Script Extender is son.
I mean, the thing was conceived back when Oblivion was released because the damn engine was so fucking barebones, stoneage garbage that couldn't run advanced script calls (Gamebryo was released in 1991, since then the thing was retrofitted millions of times).

Since then, Beth had the opportunity to fix the broken engine to include this advanced language, but they were so fucking lazy they leaved it to the modders to fix. And now they want you to pay for the mods that fixed their broken ass game, what fucking irony.

Explain right now what is wrong for getting paid for your hard work.

Do YOU work for free?

>>379986795
Okay so you have no argument. You actively ignore evidence presented so there is no point in arguing with you. Have fun in your echo chamber.

>>379986467
>DEPOSIT PER GAME WILL FIX IT :^(

Asset flippers make thousands off trading cards.
Nice IQ and research BTW. You totally don't sound like a shithead high schooler who did zero research about these games but somehow think you're an expert on it.

Here, let me give you a basic education because clearly your dad raping your stupid asshole didn't bother giving you one.

http://www.oneangrygamer.net/2017/04/russian-devs-use-greenlight-farms-to-push-asset-flipped-games-onto-steam/28377/

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>>379986007
I'm conflicted here

TODD TRIED TO WARN US

BUT THEY SILENCED HIM

>>379987302
who said "fix it" you haven't established a real problem
>gamergate blog
no thanks
might dox the author's family tho

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>>379980784
Wut?

>>379987247
>Explain right now what is wrong for getting paid for your hard work.
Because people never make mods with their hard work. They use the hard work of others to make mods.

Have you ever downloaded a Skyrim mod? It has a million dependencies. Again, underageb& showing that they're less than five years old.

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sorry sweetie but if you're not a content creator then your subhuman opinions don't matter :)

>>379986365
You're joking, right? People born in 2000 will be 18 soon. These people grew up with the maximum jewing that is mobileshit.

>>379986806
If you get the Unity asset of the store you most likely have a single seat licence for the assets to use how you see fit. That's not stealing you retarded nigger.

>valve is bethesda
Fuck off, you are retarded if you think Valves stupid shit is the same thing.

>>379987549
Yes, none of those mods are anyone's work. They're all someone else's work. No one does any work. Just that someone guy, out in the ether.

>>379987247
This
>>379986231
And
>>379984649

>>379987503
>WHAT'S THE PROBLEM LALALA THERE IS NO PROBLEM WITH PAID MODS STOP POSTING SOURCES THEY MAKE ME WET MYSELF

Here's more sources you piece of human garbage. Be sure to include that you were fucking owned by someone on /v/ because you're so stupid that you can't even do a simple google search you half-wit moron.

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/05/valve-takes-aim-at-fake-games-that-exploit-steam-trading-cards/

This industry is a fucking dumpster fire, I swear to god. A dumpster full of soiled diapers.

>>379987247
If a modder wants to get paid, do you know what they could do? They could give a fucking application to Bethesda, or to any other company. They can provide their mods as proof of their skill.

Modding isn't a job. It's a fucking hobby. If you want to make it a career, go right ahead and sign on with a studio somewhere.

>>379982370
>Not 100% optional nigger, good devs are going to make essential cool shit pay only.
Well as long as the "cool shit" is guaranteed to work and is updated and supported officially, then it is mini-DLC.

>>379982378
>Bethesda cannot control this. It's either going to be filled with people stealing free mods or asset flippers. They've lied about this in the past, too.
Well the thing here is that if they have to maintain compatibility then they have to approve everything manually. Every piece of mini DLC has to play nice with every other. That is a lot of work and as such Bethesda wouldn't and couldn't flood the market with more than what they can actually handle. Also don't forget that this is shared with consoles so they need to be very careful about not crashing console gamer's games.

My main complaint about paid mods last time was a lack of curation. If Bethesda is serious about making them all 1st party supported mods, then I will accept them.

Free mods will still exist of course. Bethesda will never officially sell actual nudity mods, copyright infringed mods like the Thomas tank engine dragon, or any other number of questionable things they would rather avoid. But Bethesda know nude mods are a big part of the PC community and will never forbid it.

>>379984057

>sony
>being jew'd and oblivious about it

seems right

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>>379987620

My opinion as a content creator is that this is wrong but if they get away with it and i can get away with it i'll do it just to make some extra cash.

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>>379987795
Exactly. All mods are built off someone else's work.
Which is why paid mods are a terrible fucking idea.

>>379987667
>Fuck off, you are retarded if you think Valves stupid shit is the same thing.
LOL
LOLOLOLOLOL
EVERYONE, STOP AND LAUGH AT THIS STUPID IDIOT

COMPANY THAT CAN'T EVEN FIX THEIR BUGGY GAME AFTER SEVEN YEARS CLAIMS THEY WILL POLICE MODS BETTER THAN VALVE DESPITE NOT DOING IT THE LAST TIME, RETARD ON /v/ BELIEVES THEM!

AGAIN, LOL

>>379972017
The reason they had that shit on video with no live stage announcement is the huge risk of the crowd booing and screaming, which for all we know might have happened since we were shut off from the live events for like 5~10 minutes.

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>>379987387
How many layers of irony is Todd on right now?

>>379987890
>has nothing to do with stealing games and uploading them on greenlight
>valve dealt with the problem
you sure have a low iq
gish gallop some more to avoid the twenty names of stolen games uploaded on steam

>>379974256
>YFW Bethesda starts using Denuvo for individual mods

PAY 500 BETHESDA BUCKS FOR A HAT OR NEATO BACKPACK

HAHAH THIS IS AMAZING

>>379988257
Yes, no one did any of that work. Just someone.
Definitely not you, though.

>>379976439
>Not a real job

>>379973241
Full price games are 60 dollars. I'm not paying anymore than that especially for things that have always been free. If modders want money, they should make a game.

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>>379973241
t. jew

I didn't watch the conference, was Todd there?

>>379988257
>no argument
Wow, you should probably calm down mate and get an argument.

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>>379980915

>Being excited to sell yourself to advertisers so you can buy mods from (((Bethesda)))

>>379972017
I want to know who in the fuck thought this was a good idea.

>>379988638
Want to come mow my lawn for free, Paco?

I'm waiting for this

I will steal every fucking thing from other mods, re-skin it, change a few things and win money from it

Even bether i will make submods from submods to get even more money even if they are not required, I will just speak with other modders and be totally like "yeah dude, your mod is necessary for mine lol" and get lots of money

>>379987921
>If a modder wants to get paid, do you know what they could do? They could give a fucking application to Bethesda, or to any other company. They can provide their mods as proof of their skill.
This is how the "creator club" actually works. Except they're not treated as a full employee with a salary, just paid one time when they hand over the finished mod they were contracted to do.

>>379988754
Fuck no.
Too much of a coward to show his face in public when they're reintroducing paid mods.

>>379987934
And seriously, if you think about it this is basically the logical extension of console mods.
Console moding HAS to be curated, because if the game gets corrupted it is on Bethesda's head. Console players have no way to fix major issues by patching thing s themselves.

Bethesda, by adding moding to console, basically forced themselves to create a curated system where they had to approve everything one at a time. Consoles are fragile due to coding to the metal, so any slight mod coding era can crash the machine. The way they are doing this is really the ONLY way they can run console mods.

>>379988364
>Valve dealt with the problem
By deleting Greenlight

Again, you're a fucking low-IQ subhuman. I'm amazed you can even breathe you half-wit piece of garbage.

Also you conveniently ignored the youtube playlist of Jim Sterling someone pointed out that has a hundred games, most of them stolen.

Again, fuck yourself little kid. You lost, end of story. Deal with it. You got BTFO

>>379978839
>i'm actually a content creator for DOTA2 and some TF2.

i fucking cringed

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lol is there even an option to put up a mod for free charging for no credits?

Can't image there is since all mods have to go through Bethesda high standards QA system.

>>379988575
Moron. Not you apparently either. The point is that there are legal ramifications for the dependencies that people have over each other's work and JUST LIKE when Valve attempted this, there will be modders trying to claim and/or sue each other over work rights. It happened last time and it WILL happen again.

>>379988791
He did, you just couldn't come up with anything so you just through the old "no argument" meme.

>>379979130
>It's not paid mods if all we're doing is stealing modders from the community and forcing a pay wall on content they would (and let's be frank, should) have made for free. enjoy your free pleb mods if they're so important to you, nothing personell :^)

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>>379987921
Did someone just say warm soiled diapers?!

>>379988813
If Paco, along with his friends Roberto, Carlos, and Enrique, have been mowing everyone's lawns for 20 years for free because they love to mow lawns, how would you feel if they asked you to start paying them now?

>>379989024
>By deleting Greenlight
no
>Also you conveniently ignored the youtube playlist of Jim Sterling someone pointed out that has a hundred games, most of them stolen.

write out a list of 20 games that were stolen and sold on steam via greenlight
don't care about cheap trash using unity store assets, so if i see one of them i'll dismiss your list

>>379988791
>Piece of shit thinks Bethesda is going to police their mods despite not doing it the last time
>DUHHHH U NEED AN ARGUHMENt

Nah, you need a new asshole because I just blew it the fuck out.

>>379988575
>Yes, no one did any of that work. Just someone.

Someone who is not selling their mods, that's for sure.
Mods are a community effort.

Also since you think this doesn't happen, have a source:
https://www.pcgamesn.com/fallout-4/fallout-4-skyrim-nexus-mods-bethesdanet-stolen

>This is soul crushing for mod authors. To see their hard work being taken, without their permission, often times by people actually openly goading, trolling and mocking the mod authors about the theft and that nothing was being done about it," Scott says. "It became clear, early on, that Bethesda had not planned for the eventuality of mods being stolen. They had no clear moderation system in place. No way of quickly dealing with the issue or indeed any sort of decent reporting system so that users could report stolen mods in detail to the (seemingly non-existent) moderation team."

GREAT ECOSYSTEM, THERE. I SURE DO THINK THOSE MOD CREATORS LOVED WHEN IT HAPPENED LAST TIME

>>379988845
Oh so basically lower than wage slaves? What a "great incentive".

>Bethesda expects people on PS4 to pay for mods using vanilla assets

>>379972017
>they show a modded crab
>looks like a regular old mod
>but you paid for it
why the fuck would I pay for that????

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Why do people want paid mods for a 6 year old game and a shitty fallout? That's what disgust me the most honestly

>>379989372
Like it's their labor to do with as they want.
You aren't entitled to anyone else's labor, nigger.

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>>379988818
Let me know how that pans out, have fun with the application process you dumbass.

>>379989024
Name 20 that didn't get taken down that were stolen and not asset flips.

>379989268
No, he literally doesn't have an argument.

>it didn't werk b4!
>this one is the same!
He doesn't fucking know that and none of us will until it gets started.

>>379988845
It remains to be seen exactly how they plan on doing this. If it's an open door for all the world to see, or if it's actually just small contract work.

It's either paid "community DLC" or fucking micro-transactions ala Horse Armor. I don't know which is worse.

>>379972017
>they make the content, we make the money
How can anyone defend this?

>>379989478
>They had no clear moderation system in place.
Well they do now. They had to because of consoles.

>>379989467
>doesn't care about literally stolen assets from the store because of piracy being sold on the store

Now you're just trolling.

>>379973241
The mod creator knew that he was making something for free you cuck

>>379989714
>thinks bethesda will check modified stolen assets

>>379986928
the modders deserve money thing is a meme being sold to you by bethesda
modders created content for years without forcing people to pay for anything, why should they start now? you could always donate to them you feel they deserved it but now its just that papa zenimax wants their cut because theres no fun allowed unless there money involved

>>379988924
Wait a second.
>Sorry I can't show go - I mean guys, I have a - uhm - middle school graduation party to go to. At midnight.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

>>379989792
Is that how I got the kill kids mod on PS4?
Because of their careful moderation?

>>379981869
The industry can crash and burn for all I care.

>>379989467
>write out a list of 20 games that were stolen and sold on steam via greenlight
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlRceUcRZcK17mlpIEPsV8gRg_Kjxuy_3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biyghkEQWTo

There, you got your twenty games and then some. Got a comeback or are you going to keep screaming about your prolapsed anus you are dragging along behind you? "hurr dats not 20 games :^( i can't count duhhhhh"

>>379989531
Better than making mods for you retards for free.

DO IT FOR FREEEE.

>>379972017
They still can't understand that people hated it the first time because of the fact THAT it was implemented, not because of HOW it was implemented.

>>379989964
what part of i'm not watching jim sterling videos do you not understand
write down 20 games that someone downloaded and reuploaded onto steam and sold via greenlight

>>379989995
Faggot, I'm a mod creator. Go off yourself. This hurts the overall community and splits it up and only makes it harder for us trying to do a good job because now there will be paywalls for everyone to get access and noticed.

>>379989792
They didn't have moderation back THEN EITHER!

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/06/fallout-4-mods-pc-vs-console.html

Bethesda mods on console were CRASHING THE CONSOLE! They were crashing the console because Bethesda did ZERO review or moderation of the mods that were allowed to be installed.
Why does anyone think they have changed?

>>379989672
You don't create mods to get paid. Full stop, end of discussion. If the modders want to get paid for their labor, then they should make their own game instead of just expanding on another. You're also missing the crucial fact that the people pushing this meme are jews who are going to take a fuckhuge cut, while doing zero work. Retards like you who will eat up whatever jew scheme a company shits out are the reasons why DLC has gotten so bad and consolefags now have to pay to use their internet twice.

>>379990251
Name your mods.

What if your girlfriend suddenly decided to start charging you to be with you?

>>379990251
Keep creating mods dumbass, I will and I won't do it for freee.

You can keep doing it for free like a cuck though.