Is there any JRPG with deeper combat than Pokémon?

Minecraft.

>>379964372
Id hav to say undertale

>>379964372
Bloodborne

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Is there better character design than Lucario?

>>379964372
Angry Birds

>>379965295
literally hundreds

>>379965295
he looks cool, but practically, it's a stupid design

he has a literal spike coming out of his chest

for what purpose?

he can't even sleep on his stomach

>>379964372
Final Fantasy Mystic Quest desu

Anyone of you try online ranked in Pokemon would get totally washed. Pokemon is deeper than you think in mechnics

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>>379964372
The battle system is, indeed varied and deep, but when you take it seriously enough...

This happens.

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>>379965751
>deep
>official sanctioned ruleset
>6 viable pokemon
>anything else is just a tech

>>379965751
Sure junior whatever you say

>>379966152
Humans naturally go fucking autistic and push shit to the minmaxing. No matter what it is, they'll spend years doing the math.

>>379965751
>it gets good until you spend hundreds of hours grinding for a full team of perfectly bred monsters who are obtained mostly from pure RNG

>>379966449
No one actually grinds anything. They just use software to level and place EVs. You only need your desired ability and nature.

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>>379966152

>>379966449
>he fell for the breeding meme

>>379966152
>Eddie Glover
>Shattering the trend

6 out of 8 of those teams have 5 out of 6 of the same pokemans. This eddie Guy only has 2 of those 6 pokemen. I'd like to meat this guy in real life (No, that's not a spelling mistake)

>powercreep the series
>all teams are 90% the same
>matches decided by who gets fucked by the RNG the most

>>379967682
autism

>>379965751
>play a children's game just for fun
>lose against people who take it extremely seriously

yeah no shit. i'd also lose against someone who was pro at tiddlywinks

>>379966152
mega-rayquaza is not banned?

>>379964372
It really bothers me that they still stick with this ugly, outdated design for english speaking countries, but for Japan they have updated the logo for every game.

>>379968025
Nintendo's Video Game Championships are a special kind of awful.
In 2015, the whole national pokedex was allowed, but the balance was so bad that you HAD to have the first five pokemon of your team be Mega-Kangaskhan/Heatran/Cresselia/Landorus-T/Amoongus.

In 2016, no new games came out, so they decided to try to shake up a shit meta by allowing 2 ubers per team. The picture you're looking at is from 2016. Mega Ray was legal, and you could have two Primals AND a Mega not only on the same team, but in the same fight.

>>379968165
It's instantly recognizable, though. That's called good marketing, there's no reason to change the logo significantly between releases.

You only prefer what Japan did because you're a weeaboo.

>>379965751
My friend is autist-good at pokemon showdown and is in the top 100 ranked leader boards. But damn, he sucks at every other game he plays.
Fighters, smash, racers, arcades, party games, other rpg's, ect. It doesn't matter. I'm not saying I'm a god of vidyas, but if we both had an equal amount of time with a game his "game sense" just doesn't kick in and I feel like he doesn't catch on.
But he sure does know about pokemon mechanics and what every counter and playstyle is most optimal for OO, UU, Ubers and all that shit. He just knows how to play, which baffles me beside it doesn't shine in other games even a little.

>>379969310
Nope.

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>>379966152
>Lilligant

what

>>379964372
How would a SMT multiplayer meta play like?

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>>379966152
If i had to choose one thing to show someone why i think Megas are a mistake, i'd bring up this picture.

>>379969576
Pokemon requires no reflexes or skills like that, just immense knowledge.

So an autist who is only good at pokemon and nothing else doesn't surprise me in the least.

>>379969735
Lilligant has the ability Chlorophyll, which doubles its speed in sunlight. And if Cresselia has Gravity, Sleep Powder is 100% accurate (it probably does because then Groudon can hit anything with ground moves).

>>379969576
If you have the patience and time you can be good at Pokemon. It's not hard.

It someone was good at Pokemon they would be good at animal crossing or Minecraft.

Someone has a shit ton of time to build a team or building or a house

>>379970039
Makarakarn, tetrakarn, anticthon and megidolaon everywhere

>>379966152
>Ubers
Call me when they're playing a real tier

>>379970039

Almighty spam

>>379970039
An endless cycle of barriers and cure.

>>>/vp/
containment

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>>379965295
Is there a worse character design than Lucario?

What is he even supposed to be, a Jackal? Why does he have random spikes? What are those two black cylinders of flesh hanging from the back of his head? Some kind of horrible tumors?

Just seems like such a failed way to design a "cool" combat-oriented Pokemon compared to something like pic related.

>>379970039
>freikugel spam
>whatever that 11 hit move uriel had in SMTIV is
>luster candy
>debilitate

>pokemon
>deep
The only deep thing about it is breeding but you can easily use a cheat engine for that. And the porn. Pokemon is only good for the porn.

>>379971302
I love this meme. /vp/ for everything Pokemon related BUT the video games (check the catalog). And Pokemon-vidya was always allowed here, newfriend.

>>379970039
Everyone setting up buffs only to get debuffed by the other guy. Rinse and repeat.

>>379964372
No, and I find it funny how loath fans of other JRPGs are in general to admit that. They'll swear up and down that their game with the mature deep story is really more sophisticated in every way, but rarely do they ever demand the same sort of in depth understanding in order to actually do anything you'd have reason to.

Its weird, because the rest of the genre could learn so much from Pokemon and its general approach to structure and gameplay, while also improving massively on its campaign, but they mostly just don't bother.

>>379972653
>I have never played SMT, the post.

>>379972653

All the depth in the world doesn't mean a thing if the games never make you have to properly use it.

t. every kid that solos the games with their starters

>>379973936
>spam buffs
>hit weakness
So deep

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>>379974332
I agree with this anon. It's neat that the Sun/Moon totem bosses use strategy against you, but the player sees a cool thing they can't try because some of the TMs needed are locked behind post-game.
So, in terms of how you play, the only thing that makes the new games different is that you might actually use stat buffs/debuffs for once. They refuse to make a campaign that requires more from the player than "hurrr ROCK beats SCISSORS"

>>379974332
Or the other thing Jap developers do where they design these complex little systems with tons of depth and then never ever explain or teach it to the player and make it as obtuse as possible to figure them out.

>>379974751
Wow just like Pokemon except you don't even need to worry about the buffs.

>>379975550
Pokemon is a PvP game... that's like complaining that the A.I is easy to beat in Street Fighter

>>379966152
Pretty sure the format for that is doubles, and official tournaments have shitty rules that make no sense. Can't have more than one Pokemon holding Leftovers, but 720 BST ubers are just fine.

>>379974332
>All the depth in the world doesn't mean a thing if the games never make you have to properly use it.

Which is why I said "while also improving massively on its campaign", because it should be piss easy to offer a more challenging and better written single player than the base Pokemon games. But even then most JRPGs are just excessively linear to a T.

My whole point is that other JRPGs can, could and should take the things Pokemon does do well and improve on them, but nobody does and nobody seems to care or demand anything of the sort. Most JRPG fans seem to be content with the sub-par gameplay they tend to offer in general and aren't discerning enough to want better.

Honestly the ONLY one that comes to mind out of the ones I've played is Etrian Odyssey and they're pretty close, so its a hard choice.

Its too bad pokemon games don't take advantage of this considering they are so easy most of the time. If it wasn't so easy to overlevel, they'd be more interesting but the fun battles really just happen in the post game

>>379966704
>Nobody plays the game they just cheat to be competitive

>>379970039
Last Resort
Last Resort
Last Resort

>>379970039
>Nobody gets extra turns from hitting weaknesses due to stacking Null/Repel passives
>Far more likely to lose your turns from hitting said random Null/Repels, hope you have Pierce somehow
>Buffs/Debuffs almost worthless due to the prevalence of Dekunda/Dekaja
>Random smirks removed, Smile Charge is the only way to get access to the status
>Everyone stacks Agility to not get hit and Luck for crits
>Tetrakarn and Makarakarn stallfags force you to keep a status demon in your back pocket to Bind/Charm/Panic them to death
You'd probably only get one dedicated healer, too.

>>379978396
I'd think they'd at least limit the null, and repel passives in multiplayer.