Anyone else find top down Zelda-likes sorta boring? My first

>>379934863
>no mysterious murasame castle

Shame on you, you're not allowed to dislike what is loved by the hivemind. No individual opinions are allowed here.

>>379934863
Willow looks ahead of it's time. Based George!

they are trash compared to 3d zelda. but they are still fun as far as top-down experiences can go

>>379934863

i remember playing crystalis as a kid, it was so cool

>>379935976
how is it, any good?

>>379935976
>Based George!

The game was directed by Akira Kitamura, of Mega man fame.

Or are we talking the movie? Since it's highly derivative of Lord of the Rings.

>>379936713
oh I assumed it was LucasArts

>>379937076

Nope, Capcom. it was the last game Kitamura made before leaving Capcom.

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>>379934863

>Have a chart of old Zelda-likes

>Not including Crystalis

Anyway, not really. I keep finding new good Zelda-likes. I enjoyed the obvious one, Ittle Dew quite a bit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW4iViWrkWA

>>379937384
>Make a post on 4chan
>Not reading the fucking OP

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>>379937384
>literally the 4th one listed
>"no crystalis"

>>379937563
I dunno man. It's late here. I looked through that chart two times and somehow never made it to the top right corner.

>>379934863
Holy fuck how about the retard who made this image actually put DRAGON SLAYER in the image - you know the game Zelda ripped off in the first place!

>>379937825
Yes. Let's have THAT discussion.

>>379937825
>!
Just how old are you, anon?

>>379934863
I'm with you. Link's Awakening is one of the most over-rated games I've ever seen praised on /v/. It's just okay, it's nothing special at all.

where Alundra

The only top down Zelda I liked enough to finish was Minish Cap.

I love 2D Zelda and before BOTW there wasn't any 3D Zelda that could compare to what 2D had to offer.

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Does Landstalker qualify as a Zelda like? It's been too long since I played it. I remember having fun.

>>379937825
>Holy fuck how about the retard who made this image actually put Adventure in the image - you know the game Dragon Slayer ripped off in the first place!

>>379934863
Personally no, you may have your preferences but i just started playing most of the old NES classics to see if they hold up, so far finished castlevania 1,mega man 1, zelda and Super Mario Bros, and each was unique and amazing, the freedom in zelda was something else, it had it's flaws like the cryptic messages, grinding for rupees to buy new shield and lack of guide overall but i guess it was another time.

>>379938296
I'm not with y'all on that. I dig it bigtime.

>>379934863
>series that got better in almost every installment
>play them in reverse order and wonder why older games are boring
gee it's a real head scratcher anon

>>379934863

I'll always be in favor of 2D combat over lock-on targeting every enemy I encounter.

>>379938956

Zelda 2 was by far my favorite though. I just don't care about the top down games.

>>379934863
Willow was a really good movie.

>>379938993

Lock ons are an old mechanic that needs to go away. I play every single Souls game without it just fine. I'm only forced to use it on enemies that can backstab since I can't move backwards and face forwards at once.

Manually adjusting the camera here and there is so much better than a camera that's flying all over the place tracking some enemy jumping around like a madman.

Chrystalis was hella fun, just skip out on the GBC port.

>>379938334
Came here to post this, though calling it a Zelda-like is almost insulting.

>>379934863

Yes, inredibly boring
Playedthe new cladun yesterday. It was see first response

I actually liked Spirit Tracks more than A Link to the Past. It makes me feel like a total pleb.

>>379934863
I dont like top down zeldas either. Zelda 2 was godlike, though, I wish that formula was used more.

>>379939370
>>379938334

Entire Soul Blazer series is missing in here as well. And I kinda remember Alundra as being more like those.

>>379934863
you forgot startropics

>>379939925
Don't.

Some things did move forward during those twenty years.

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>>379937825
How the fuck did the Dragon Slayer series go from this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq9-xp8yc80

To these?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bVC9u01X4A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Shcu480ua8

Are there any decent recent ones on PC? Anodyne was mechanically alright, but a bit 2deep

>>379940403
And Seiken Densetsu.

If if they have levels and shit, I guess.

>>379940492
neither of those has anything to do with dragon slayer

this is literally "Where's (game) in the OP??" the thread

>>379940136
>>379939057

How did you guys feel about Tales of Phantasia?

>>379939925
Combat in LttP is pretty bad desu. Your sword is the length of a toothpick and you have to rely on the boomerang to fight mooks reliably.

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>>379940638
Xanadu and The Legend of Heroes/Trails are both subseries of Dragon Slayer.
The first Xanadu game was literally the sequel to Dragon Slayer, and Legend of Heroes was the turnbased spin-off.

>>379934863
Do any of them add anything interesting to the formula?
I'm addicted to Zelda Classic quests, but I would like a change of style from Zelda 1/Link's Awakening DX sprite set.

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>>379934863
>no Community Pom

>>379940647
People just want to mention more games in the genre they enjoyed.

Which isn't entirely outside of the theme of the thread.

>>379940835
Just hold it out and run into people. The soldiers with swords you just sort of duel and stab in the face with positioning.

>>379940586
Would you still count Ittle Dew as recent? Otherwise I don't really keep up.

>>379939343
Nintendo fucked that shit up good.

>>379941468
that was pretty good, although that final fight gave me the shits
some of those puzzles scattered around the world were hard as fuck

>>379934863
You mean Hydlide-like?

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>nintendo will never remaster TLoZ

>>379940638
>>379940884
The dragon slayer sequels were fucking weird because they all had their own subtitles and sparked their own subseries that dropped the dragon slayer title altogether desu, it's like 7 games with the dragon slayer title but counting the spin-offs branched from those 7 it's almost 50 games.

>xanadu
>legend of heroes
>romancia
>sorcerlain
>lord monarch

>>379934863
I love games like this, but I'm 31 years old and played them as a kid. If it ain't your cup of tea, then it ain't your cup of tea.

Ocarina of Time is shit.

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>>379942021
Yeah, it got pretty fucking complex.

Reminds me. Hasn't...
Oh yeah. The sequel has been out on Steam for half a year already. I don't know if it's good, but the user reviews say "very positive".

Did you ever play <--THIS baby though?

If was straight up a Zelda wannabe for PC about Thor. Insanely difficult and pretty funny too.

>>379942241
Is that game actually much fun?

Feel free to make suggestions. I'm going to expand the Opening image to incldue more Zelda-likes.

I'm also going to include a new section for 3D Zelda-likes, and 45 degree isometric Zelda likes (ie Landstalker).

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>>379942241
Does look VERY Zelda-esque, fourteen months before Zelda came out, no less.

I think all the japs were trying to do "Ultima, but more fun!" though.

>>379934863
Hydlide and Dragon Slayer were doing Zelda before Zelda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pmrxfeozmis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcQpec98nCA

>>379944384
That's not really what OP is asking about however.

Did you enjoy those two games?

>>379934863
>no golvellius

>>379945197
I was mostly referring to the image desu, calling something Zelda-like is disingenuous since Zelda was influenced by Dragon Slayer and Hydlide.

>>379934863
While I don't find the top-down style necessarily boring, unfortunately most of the games that try to follow it don't usually do a very good job, or are practically a whole different genre.

>>379945382
All three were influenced by Ultima.

And to the rest of the world, later games really were "like Zelda" and have been called so for thirty years, because no-one had played the others.

But I know what you're getting at.

>>379934863
>he still likes 3d zeldas
It's time to realize these games are very shallow, very simple, and allow you little control or creative options. Please at least admit that oot is not very impressive from a gameplay persective.

>>379946070
>Please at least admit that oot is not very impressive from a gameplay persective.

Stop, anon.

>>379945382
But did you play them?

>>379945750
Ultima laid the groundwork for the style to come but it was hardly comparable to Zelda, Hydlide or Dragon Slayer.
Ultima was largely more turnbased, too.

>>379945382
it's less about who invented it and more who made it popular. Like mobas used to be "dota-likes"

>>379946070

OoT is extremely important and paved the way for 3D action games.

OoT DNA is in eveyr 3D action game, from Devil May Cry to Dark SOuls.

Does Illusion of Gaia count as a town down Zelda-like? How about Terranigma?

>>379946461

Ultima was entirely turnbased. Hydlide, Dragon Slayer and Zelda were seeking to undo that.

They wanted to make the formula more accessible. Everyone in Japan at the time did. Which also gave birth to Dragon Warrior. the same year as Zelda.

They stayed turnbased though. And I'm fairly certain there are enough things that Zelda achieved, which Hydlide and Dragon Slayer didn't, to warrant the genre taking a namesake from Zelda instead of the others.

>>379947124
They were mentioned earlier.

I'd say they count. Some maybe wouldn't.

>>379947242
Sorry, I of course meant to also mention Wizardry. Dragon Warrior is much closer to that in style.

>>379946631
>more who made it popular
Dragon Slayer was extremely popular, especially it's 1985 sequel which is considered one of the most influential and important top-down non-linear ARPGs/puzzle games of all time. It didn't come to the West though since these kinds of games only sold in Japan until Zelda found success in the west, but since Japan was the only country making these types of games at the time anyways that hardly mattered.
Hydlide had similar success to Dragon Slayer in Japan but not quite as much. Hydlide came to the west but it tanked.

I've never neen into them either OP. Only 3D adventure games

>>379941241
>read that as Community Porn
Fuck my brain.

>>379947831
Are they actually fun games to go back and play now?

>>379947831
You said it yourself, it was only popular in Japan. Nobody cares about Japan anymore.

>>379946461
Wasn't Dragon Slayer turnbased too?

>>379948214
Dragon Slayer's sequels are fun to play. The first Dragon Slayer is really out-dated and not fun at all though.

>>379948282
>Nobody cares about Japan anymore.
We're talking about a style of games that was mostly popular in the 80s and 90s though, when Japan mostly dominated the industry. My point was that Zelda didn't invent its style, and there were popular games doing Zelda's style before Zelda was even a thing. The only thing Zelda did was bring the style over to a Western market.

>>379947831
You're speaking to a Nintendo fan friend, he's probably too indoctrinated to admit that Zelda didn't invent the genre.
>>379948506
No.

>>379945750
You are moving the goalposts.
Zelda was influenced by Hydlide and Dragon Slayer definitively, Dragon Slayer is the genre progenitor. This is the topic of the thread.
Ultima is the progenitor of a totally different kind of genre.

>>379948506
>Wasn't Dragon Slayer turnbased too?
No, only its spin-off series (The Legend of Heroes/Trails) are turnbased. Dragon Slayer and its other spin-offs (Xanadu, Sorcerian) are entirely actionbased.

>>379947831
Not much japan-only lingo makes it here outside of weebshit, so it's not surprising that the genre is named after the first game to reach popularity here

>>379948557
I'll have to try out some of those.

>The only thing Zelda did was bring the style over to a Western market.

I'm pretty sure that's an understatement.

>>379934863
The 2D Zelda games are ok. Nothing to write home about but not bad either. Definitely overhyped though for what they are. Not saying the 3D Zelda games are amazing either but there is a little more substance with those games.

>>379948865
No.
Zelda invented enough stuff to be just as much a genre progenitor as Dragon Slayer, considering they both borrow a lot from Ultima.

>>379934863
I really hate that nintendo fans do this, the only other fanbase that treats their games as if they are the original are League of Legends fags. I remember some dick head calling Drow Ranger an Ashe clone. Same thing with Nintendo fags, they call PSO2 monhun in space or retarded shit like that, and every DRPG an Etrian Odyssey clone. Or the best one, Dark Souls a Zelda Clone. How come they don't call BotW a Witcher Clone or a Skyrim clone?

It's like they are ignorant of all of gaming before nintendo copies it.