What is your honest opinion of FFX

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Best in the series

I really liked it. I played it fully for the first time when it came to PC, and even though I knew exactly how it was going to end I still cried a little. Also
>One thousand words

>>379933830
fpbp

>>379932748
Fantastic game. It's an all time classic. Played it earlier this year for the first time, and it holds up incredibly well.

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Too many Al Bhed in the game if you ask me

>>379932748
It's my favorite FF

I know it's linear, but I had a good experience playing it, which is really what determines whether or not a game is good to you or not.

>>379932748
My favourite battle system in the whole franchise. Not the biggest fan of the story or characters, though.

Loved it when I played it the first time, replaying it now I could not stand it at all, I found X-2 more fun than X

>>379932748
It's FFX IMHO

>>379933830
Agreed. I'd put FF1 right up there with it for it's pure simplicity.

Best FF in the series. X2 shat all over it.

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>>379935617
>people replacing your bro Keepa for a filthy Al Bhed goalie
Funnily enough, at max lvl Keepa actually has the highest shooting stat in the game.

>>379932748
Lame ass Cloverfield monster you never get a clear look at. Even when you fight it.

>>379932748
A thousand times worse than XIII in every way.

>>379937202
xd

>>379932748

Good world design and visual design. Better combat than most FF games. Tidus is a good fish out of water character.

But almost everything else has problems. The music is 50% great and 50% 'Zanarkand Remix'. The story destroys itself with inconsistencies. The final boss is one of the most underwhelming in RPG history. The side quests are some of the most sadistic in RPG history. Blitzball is literally just turn based underwater water polo (who the fuck thought making a sports mini game turn based would be a good idea?). Sin just feels like a recycled Lavos. And the love story/Yuna are completely pointless.

So basically, about average with all the other FF games. Good concepts, flawed execution.

didn't really liked it, i think x-2 is WAY better IMO

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It's average, but not because it's boring or mediocre. Rather there are some excellent aspects (gameplay, setting, music, FMVs) and some atrocious elements (character design, most of the party members, level design) and they balance out to something that's basically middle of the road.

I will say, it's absolutely CRIMINAL that there is no version of the game with a "skip cutscenes" feature. Unforgivable.

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>>379932748
Best FF. The only game I replay per year

>>379932748
Love it. Still one of the best OST's of all time.
Great battle system, cool sphere grid, great story.

If it just had better VA's and animations it would be nearly perfect.

>>379933830
Yuna a cute!

>>379932748
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWVST7P37IM

I like the hymn of the fayth

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>>379939040
The music is 50% great and 50% 'Zanarkand Remix'.

So... 100% great?

>>379939040
>Sin just feels like a recycled Lavos
I'll disagree with this. If anything, Sin feels like recycled Meteor, since the world is aware of him and he has an active influence on society. It's just "what if Meteor was a recurring thing that nobody believes will go away, ever?"

>>379932748
i want to fuck lulu

>>379940238
we all do.

>FF10 is linear as fuck
>People love it

>FF13 is linear as fuck
>People hate it


?????

>>379939040
I love blitzball

Posting PTSD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBF7U2ZVdug
BZZZAAAAAPPPPP
>>379935617
>>379936827
Better all dead than Al Bhed right Brudda?

>>379940519
it's almost as if execution is as important as the concept itself

>>379932748
I like it and Yuna is cute.

>>379939840
You can't skip the cutscenes even in the remasters? What were they thinking

I didn't like how linear it was, or most of the characters, but it did manage to have something interesting constantly going on, and a unique memorable aesthetic.

>>379940519
FF13 story was shit. The characters were shit. The combat system was shit.

FF10 story was engaging. The characters were good if slightly annoying. The combat system actually required some strategy later in the game.

>>379940519
t. kid who grew up with 13

It has amazing music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNLcIYq_kQ4

>>379932748
i dont know why people bitch about ff13 being a corridorfest where this game did the same shit and is beloved

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>>379941048
>t. kid who grew up with 13
>kids who were 10 when FFXIII was released are old enough to vote

>>379932748
I like the battle system, the story was ass, Tidus was a meme before the internet was filled with memes, the game was just a straight corridor until literally the end of the game, and Chocobo racing can suck my dick.

>>379941270
It's all a side show to the real problem people have with FF13. The uninspiring story and the total casualisation of the combat system.

>>379932748

Rich world with a bunch of lore and interesting details that make it very complete. Tidus only gets shit on by the HAHAHAHAHA-memers and shitposters. He had a very complete character development, starting as a spoiled bitch and turns into a proper hero at the end.

Auron is still one of the best FF characters ever. The relationship between Yuna and Rikku was pretty well explored and further reinforced with X-2, making them feel like actual family, which they are. Battle system is great and simple.

9/10 for me.

>>379933830
FPBP

My first and last final fantasy game though

>>379941025
>late game
>strategy
if you count only using quick attack...

>>379940823
I'm fairly certain you can skip them on the PC release

>>379932748
I only liked it the first time I played because I kept expecting it to get better, but it never did. Didn't like any of the characters, world, story, monster/summon designs, and it didn't feel like Final Fantasy to me. I also really didn't like how it felt like it was on rails. I know most FF games are more or less linear too, but at least they create the illusion of freedom. X was just a series of legitimate hallways. I spent the entire game thinking that it would eventually open up a little, but when it finally did, it was just a map where I could choose to go back to all the hallways I'd already been down. I did think the sphere grid was pretty cool if you don't grind like an autist and make everyone into the same character with a different character model. I also thought all the sidequests were miserable, especially the monster arena shit. Also thought weapon/armor creation was a disaster. I don't even want to get started on the disaster of having to bribe monsters with millions of gil just to get a couple items to put an effect on your armor. The game was just a mess.

>>379932748
The best true-to-the-series final fantasy overall, even if the endgame is boring. And I say that as someone who's favorite is 12.

>Best story by far
>the characters felt like actual people instead of characters
>the music was powerful and memorable
>graphics were as massive a leap as we'll see in a final fantasy game ever, simply astounding when it came out
>combat was a good balance of complexity and simplicity- there was strategic depth to later fights, but at no point were your options ever overwhelming or confusing. Summons were also the most awesome in X.

>>379941348
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA nobody was born after 1992 why are you lying on the internet?

>>379941270
it's almost as if there are reasons people hate FFXIII other than it being linear

>>379940095

Zanarkand itself isn't that amazing of a song. Having 12 remixes of it in the same game just makes it annoying.

All the best music came from Masashi Hamauzu. Which are the bulk of the songs that aren't Zanarkand remixes.

>>379940118

Sure, he does have similarities to Meteor as well. But you can't deny that 'a giant shelled life form which you have to use an airship to bust through to get to another life form hiding inside' is also pretty similar to Lavos.

>>379941602
Not that anon, but the post-game content does require strategy (even if it eventually becomes the same strategy of Mix trio of Quad 9999, spam Tidus/Wakka Overdrive once your stats are maxed). But in fairness, you could say that for FFXIII as well.

>tfw discovered Rikku was voiced by T******* S******

>>379940519
Spira is 1000000000000000000000 times better to explore.

Also FF13 is a literal fucking corridor. FF10 isn't as lineal as that.

Also linearity doesn't make a game good or bad, it's almost as there are countless other aspects that determine that.

>>379941602
Unless you grinded relentlessly up until Mt Gagazet Seymour, it required some strategy to figure out how to beat him. Took a while to realise Lulu's Bio took thatg much damage per turn

>>379941270

The same reason people bitch about the love story and Rinoa in FFVIII, but don't bitch about the love story and Yuna in FFX. Double standards abound in the FF fanbase.

people keep saying they hate the characters, but why?
is it the HAHAHAHA meme or are there other reasons?

>>379932748
xD

>>379941493
But ffxiii had the deepest combat ever in an ff game, since it wasnt just attack and heal.

Thought it was pretty bad, but after XIII and XV, the bar could not get any lower

>>379941809
im not defending 13 tho, just because something is worse than other things doesn't mean the other things aren't bad

>>379941958
thats not endgame anon...

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>mfw people prefer slut Rikku, slut Yuna, and !Lulu from the shitty sequel over techno waifu Rikku, pure Yuna, and best girl Lulu.
>>379932748
>>379935619
>>379936620
Its a great game. Not sure whether I prefer X or XII though.

>>379942314
We're not talking about endgame, anon. We're talking about late game, or at least mid-game when the gameplay starts to get difficult unless you're a japanese extremist.

>>379941958
>build up every aeon's overdrive
>yuna nukes boss
>repeat for every boss fight in the game
What a snoozefest.

>>379941787
>Sure, he does have similarities to Meteor as well. But you can't deny that 'a giant shelled life form which you have to use an airship to bust through to get to another life form hiding inside' is also pretty similar to Lavos.
It's similar in visual design and what you mentioned about the confrontation scenes, but not really much else. Lavos is the impending doomsday countdown style of villain, Sin is the constant oppression style of villain. In execution, I'd say Jenova is the actual Lavos ripoff and Sin is either Meteor or post-apocalypse Kefka.

>>379942457
Not really that simple when Dark Aeons 999999 x4 you post-game.

>>379941978
I took a buddy through it and he hated tidus and yuna.
He just thought tidus was a whiney retard to the point where he named him "FAG", and yuna talking so formally and calmly all the time also irritated him.

I'm convinced he just has shit taste.

>>379942662
>He just thought tidus was a whiney retard
He's right.

>>379932748
It's my favorite game ever.

>>379942854
In the start, yes, he's a bit whiney and unknowledgable, and anyone who remembers the events in ffx could tell you why- he was chosen to restart life in a shitty manner by a person he didn't like, and sent off to a completely foreign world where he knows nothing. Eventually he comes to terms with being sent to Spira as he understands the reasoning behind it and matures as a character.

It is character development, and I liked it, so it's fine by me. However, I can see how him being the MC might not pass well for people who envision MC's in a more traditional light, and that's fine.

>>379942854
He's a really relatable character, just about anybody would be whining that much if they were stuck in Spira.

Ffx-2 > FFX

>>379942654
It is for 90% of the game before you grind for a week to get quick hit on everyone.

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>>379942854

You get teleported to a whole different world with no friends or family and find out your dad is a huge monster killing everyone and see how whiney you get

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>>379932748
>pure, turn-based combat with divergent character builds
Masterpiece.

>>379942854
Go home Jecht.

>>379943556
>hot bitches walking around everywhere with hardly any clothes on
>blitzball is just as big as it is back home and you happen to be a pro
He's a peewee baby boy.

>>379940519
You forgot
>FF10 has a great combat system
>FF13's combat system is absolutely atrocious dogshit

>>379932748
s'good

>>379943576
objectively true.

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>>379943576
I tried X-2 for 6 hours and all I was doing was mashing attack as fast as I could because nothing was worth stealing and no other abilities were worth using, at least not at that point in the game. It was boring, no matter what classes I chose.

>>379943753
>divergent character builds
Divergent, linear character builds. The one great failing of the gameplay is that the only significant customization before post-game is in weapon and armor loadout.

>>379943991
THIS.

People who think X-2 is good are mouthbreathers

>>379940519
opinion discarded

>>379932748
It's honestly my all time favorite. It holds up better than 7 does.

X2 was crap though

X-2 sucks ass, the idea that it's better than X is a meme. There hasn't been a more destructive meme since Trump

>>379940574
>the I unironically spent hours building the blitzball version of the Golden State Warriors

The soundtrack has some of my favorite songs, and it's overall a good game I would give it a 7.5. The characters could have been better, the battle system, music, and the plot carry it the rest of the way for me.

>>379944614
X-2 was a light-hearted sequel, the combat was fantastic as well. It wasn't meant to be new in every regard

Best in the series. Most accessible. Most likable characters. Only issue is it isn't quite difficult enough. Would be great with a new game+ and everything balanced to damage limit break.

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>Trying out X-2 for the first time
>See this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiXcL06P3ko
I had to stop right there.

>>379944862
The combat wasn't fantastic, though. Why does everyone keep saying this? There's no strategy to it, just ATB ability spam.

>>379944869
Nahhh, not the best in the series. The sphere grid was pretty meh as a progression system. The characters were pretty annoying, and kinda awkward

>>379942457

>being a faggot by using cheese methods

>>379944962
WHAT CAN I DO FOR YOU

>>379932748
Simultaneously the last good FF, and the first bad one.

Probably the culmination of the talent at Square at the time, while also showing signs of the bloat and over-production the series would come to be known for.

>>379943576
I dropped X2. Are you one of those people who buys games for the pretty girls on the cover?

>>379932748
It's one of the best FF games

>>379943907
>you know literally nothing about the world
>you're no longer a star and nobody knows you
>people think you're crazy when you say you came from Zanarkand
It would suck to be in his shoes.

>>379941978

Yuna is worthless. She's just a vessal for the summons, which the story makes the whole pilgramidge pointless near the end. This leaves Yuna's only real contributions being that she casts summons against Yu Yevon (which even that cocky summoner rival could do) and she gives Tidus a chubby so he feels motivated to save Spira.

Kihamari gets no time in the story aside from one side quest and a few monotone grumblings.

Auron comes off as a badass, but later on you learn he was just a coward. Worse, he hid a bunch of stuff from Tidus that, if he had been told from the start, would have made his journey a lot easier. And could have even made Tidus avoid the entire Pilgrimage. When Auron is later confronted with this, he just shrugs and claims Tidus wouldn't have understood. But that's a really weak cover up for plot convenience. Still, Auron is a good stoic character on his own. Its just that he initially comes off as the wise man who everyone looks up to. And by the end, this whole illusion is as transparent as his body.

Wakka and Lulu are funny and actually good characters. Though their only real role in the story is to explain things about Spira along the journey.

Rikku is basically the Yuffie/Selphie tag along character. She has some funny lines and a good personality, even if she's not particularly important in the plot. Sadly, her real controbution to the plot is to just be a connection between Yuna and the Al Bhed. And to get you the airship.

>>379932748
Good game, but the HD remaster is an abomination.

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>>379945317
Tidus sacrificed himself, not realizing he created an even greater hell.

>>379945459
I probably would have given a shit about him if I knew more about his life in Zanarkand but oops it turns out none of that was real or whatever and there's literally no reason to care.

>>379943991
well you fucked up
you only get 1 AP per monster you kill, but you get 1 AP for every ability you use
so no shit the classes weren't interesting, you weren't even leveling them

>>379932748
It's the only Final Fantasy game that I finished, stopped during the middle or near the end on other Final Fantasy games.

>>379932748
I think it's good.
Now let me bitch a moment.
There's this thing, NG+.
So far the only FF game to ever have a NG+ is FF15 and it's DLC.

This is huge proof that Square Enix are so far behind every other JRPG that FF shouldn't even be taken seriously by anyone.

If you don't include a NG+ mode in an RPG that's like admitting you don't believe anyone wants to replay your game.

>>379945714
How is there no reason to care? Dream or not, he was still a person, and he still had a life he lived in Zanarkand.

>>379944038
use the expert sphere grid, you can bounce around and deviate way more

>>379946470
X-2 has NG+

>>379945714
>oops it turns out none of that was real or whatever and there's literally no reason to care
It was real up though. As real as the aeons were at least, both were made from the dreams of the Fayth.

>Story: 7/10, engaging and fast-paced, even if it kinda collapses under its own weight toward the end
>Characters: 5/10 Some of them are great in a vaccuum, and all of them are memorable in their own way, but almost none of them are plot relevant
>World: 9/10. Linear, but the lore is interesting and it's not the generic techno-european bullshit JRPGs are known for
>Battle system: 9/10. Fun as fuck, and the bosses use the battle system in really interesting and unique ways. The sphere grid will steamroll any sense of strategy if you overlevel though.
>Music: 10/10. Brilliant. Some of the best in any JRPG ever.

Overall: 8/10. Deeply flawed in some key ways, but fun, memorable, and a fantastic showcase of some of the best talent available to Square at the time

>>379945539
It had the best OST by fat.

>>379946754
The OST for the remaster was mostly shit.

>>379946470
How common was NG+ in 2001?
I'm asking honestly, I don't remember.

>>379932748
Its the majora's mask of FF.

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>>379946754

Remaster looked awesome at 1440p

>>379946883
It has the best version of everything apart from A fleeting dream

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA, would have liked cutscenes to be skippable, wanted a jecht/auron/braska game

>>379946916
Not certain but Tales of the Abyss from 2005 already had an extensive and elaborate NG+ function that let you choose what to carry over, improvements and things to make grinding non-existent as well as new difficulty options.
If they had all that available and FF still didn't have a basic NG+ until 2017 then something is wrong.

>>379946883

Some songs were better, others were worse. The only songs I really care about like Thunder Plains, Movement in Green or Besaid were better though.

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It was one of my favorites, but I replayed the HD version this year and my opinion of it plummeted.

>story is kinda crap, handled poorly throughout from characterization to plot development
>linear as fuck and constantly interrupted by cutscenes and exposition
>humongous, absolutely massive disconnect in difficulty between the storyline and arena sidequests
>everything about the celestial weapons is straight bullshit, zero fun in doing the dumb chores for the crests/ sigils

FFX was the beginning of the end for FF, just walk down a bunch of boring corridors and watch a fuckton of cutscenes, all the while "fighting" piss easy mash-attack-to win turn based battles.

Music was some of the best though.

>>379944962
I remember cringing hard at "Y, R, P... in position. It's showtime, girls." with the vocal fry. Fuck, it's so bad. I beat the game twice because the battle system was fun, but damn, the cutscenes and dialogue were so bad. Doesn't help that I hate Yuna, always have.

>>379946925
Isn't that FF2? or FF5? or FF8?

>>379932748
The Tales of Graces f of the Final Fantasy franchise.

>>379932748
I think it's easily the best final fantasy. Great ost, world, party, story, and battle system.

Reading through the entire thread and I'm remembering how good FF used to be...

So I've done FFIV (not to the end), VII, VIII, X, X-2, XII, and XIII. I have easy access to IX, FFIV Collection, and Tactics. Besides those, what else do I want to seek out? Within 1-6, do I really only want to bother with IV and VI?

And holy shit Square better not have outsourced Zodiac Age to another Chinese studio again holy shit. Is there any confirmation online that it isn't or will we only find out when we get the final product?

>>379946997
More like the worst version of everything apart from Otherworld, which was the exact same.

>>379947893
Sorry to hear about your shit taste, anon.

>>379947871
1 & 2 on PSP were good

>>379948018
Sorry to hear about yours.

>>379947587
I actually started thinking real hard about this analogy. Was gonna suggest it would be more like Symphonia but I like X and Symphonia is one of the few Tales games I don't love.

Honestly I'd say it's more aligned with Tales of the Abyss. Pretty polarizing but overall considered really good with a heavy emphasis on story and characters

Worst post game ever conceived in a jrpg

Seriously, the celestial weapons are complete ass to obtain, requiring mindless grinding and repetitive, shittily made minigames that aren't at all entertaining. Then you have to grind out spheres to max out stats because all of the post game stuff hits for 10's of thousands of damage and has a billion HP

And even when you do grind out that stats, the fights themselves are just statwalls. There's no engaging fight design, it's just "they deal a shit ton of damage and have lots of status ailments that you wear a ribbon to negate'. And then they have so much fucking HP that the only time efficient way to fight things is to spam Wakka's limit over and over and over again

I'm so fucking salty. I bought the rerelease just to experience the international version post game stuff and it's all garbage

One of the weakest games in the series.

Still not as bad as II, VIII, XIII and XV, though.

>>379939040
>The final boss is one of the most underwhelming in RPG history.

I legit don't see how anyone could think this

>Entire game is about father issues
>Final fight is your father with kickass music
>Then you have an emotional kick in the nuts finisher as you're forced to kill all of your summon pals one after the other

I can think of a ton of jrpg final bosses that are worse than this by a country mile

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>>379946939

>>379932748
Top tier comf. I replay it every summmer

>>379948328
>worst post game ever conceived
No need for hyperbole, you don't even need to leave this franchise to find worse post games, let alone outside of it. The plat is pure autism but it's pretty robust

>>379948853
He's probably talking about Yu Yevon.

>>379949030

Why would you consider one third of the finale as the whole finale? That's just silly

>>379949171
Well, he did say final boss, not final act. The final boss in a literal sense is Yu Yevon.

>>379949027

It's pretty bad anon. None of the post game content is enjoyable, and there's less complexity in the post game fights than, honestly, almost every story boss. Heck, even the chocobo eater had more innate strategy than the post game fights

>>379948853

Well first of all, I don't think any of the stuff you named were emotionally impacting. All the 'emotion' came from fighting Jecht while Yu Yevon is just this faceless mass. The game also didn't develop much of a connection to the summons. At least to me.

But then when you look at it from a gameplay perspective, its even worse. The whole killing of your Aeons sounds impactful, but it just feels like a weak gameplay trigger to make Yuna seem relevant. Because without having to use the summons, she really has no role in the final fight. And the whole pilgrimage would have been pointless. But then while you're using the summons, Yu Yevon just sits there and does nothing. Then after you use all the summons, you literally cannot lose the fight. Yu Yevon keeps casting auto life and full cure on you. So how is this a 'fight' in reality? It's just a cleaning up of the plot, not really an epic final battle.

>>379949331

I dunno, I've always considered the collection of final fights as the 'final boss' in games. It's like singling out the final form of the Ansem ship in Kingdom Hearts as 'the final boss' when the whole ordeal is like 6 different fights total

>>379948328

>Worst post game ever conceived in a jrpg

To date, I still feel dirty for actually doing all that shit. Most annoying side content I ever did in an RPG tied with leveling Onion Knight in Final Fantasy III.

>>379948897
I will never understand why they felt the need to redo the character models for the HD remaster. They still look really good.

One of the best Final Fantasy's

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>>379949909

Because if they didn't, then it would just be a port. Also, Final Fantasy as a series is all about burning money on graphical updates. Its how pretty much every remake or remaster is advertised. "Come play the exact same game with the exact same story and content flaws, but now with slightly better models and a new FMV!"

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To the people that love X but hate XIII, care to explain?

I went into X with people telling me it's "one of the greats" in the FF series, but I essentially got another hallway simulator.

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>>379949909
They remade everything for some reason.

>>379950309
X has characters, gameplay, a story, and even exploration that most people liked.

XIII is missing many JRPG features that even X had.

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>>379932748
If FF8 put down the kindling to set fire to the series, FFX was the bonfire to make it happen. There hasn't been a good Final Fantasy game since 9.

FFX is the best mainline FF between 1-12. I haven't played anything after.

>>379949370
I'm just saying it's an impressive amount of content, actually an autistic amount. That alone is enough for me to give it credit, possibly unjustifiably. It's a big bummer when there is zero post game, or just not much of it at all. The sheer volume of shit to do is impressive and I can look at other entires in the very same series and see how much more there is to it. I don't even love the post game I just don't think it should be put down so exaggeratedly. Also don't mean to make an arguement of quantity = quality but I do think it's relevant to the discussion

>>379950734
u

>>379950734
I agree

It's also definitely better than 13, 14, and 15

It's pretty good. A little too linear but it doesn't feel that linear.

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>>379950532
>X has characters, gameplay, a story, and even exploration that most people liked
They were about the same to me, but each to their own.

It's the features I can see why X is a better game than XIII, but "X being one of the best FFs" does not sit well with me at all.

Every SNES and PS1 FF had more to offer than X

>>379951098
What did they have to offer over X?

>>379951226

Characters that didn't drive me to want to skip all the dialog, for one

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>>379951098
I'm sure you know you have a very unpopular opinion.

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>>379950309
XIII is essentially what X-2 was with the Yuna worship taken to an entirely new level, only now you have Lightning who's a crappy clone of Cloud. Yuna at least has some character development, even if she's pretty much a non-character for most of the game.

>>379932748
It took too long for it to become even slightly challenging. The random encounters didn't get even slightly challenging until the very final dungeon, and even then, running was a guaranteed thing on the first turn. Simply due to how the sphere grid and stats work, it was very easy to overlevel and brute force the bosses that would otherwise be challenging. The sidequest(s) were just stupid amounts of mindless grinding against things that posed no threat. It was ultimately a good game, but its quality was diminished for those who are prone to fighting most/all random encounters.

With that said, it is, bar none, the absolute greatest game for challenge runs. It is absolutely amazing how many great challenges there are for the game and how different from one another a lot of them are.

>>379951332
I mean, that's not a very good reason. I played 6 and didn't like a single character excerpt for Sabin, so I feel the exact same way towards that game. X had me completely engaged with the whole cast

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>>379932748
FFX had the wrong main character. It would've been infinitely better if you were hunting down Tidus for being a shit son and getting in over his head.

>>379933830
This basically. It has the best party, best ost and best gameplay. It's linearity is actually appropriate and Tidus isn't even that bad.

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Sphere grid is the best leveling system I've ever used.

Do any other FF games use it?

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>>379950532
Dude, FF13 has WAY better characters than FF10.

FF10 didn't have exploration until the Calm Lands. Same as Grand Pulse

Gameplay in FF13 was similar to that of FF10.

FF10 was only slightly weaker in voice acting and graphical design.

>>379950932
FF10 is slightly lower due to the bad voice acting and graphical design.

>>379951098
FF13 was only slightly better. FF10 was my first and it's not even top 5. Hell, FF13 was top 5 for a while until FF15 bumped it off.

>>379951753
13

>>379951805
It's not even worth replying to you.

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>>379948897

Why do the textures look less sharp in the remaster? Oh that's right, your comparison is fake and misleading you fat fuck.

>>379949331
Eh, I think a lot of people consider Jecht the final boss and Yu Yevon a thematic sequence.

>>379932748
It's the game that made me officially hate the series and Squarepenis. I'm starting to like them a bit again, but this game still puts me in a boiling autistic rage every time I see it.

>>379951805
Gameplay is radically different. 10 has a well made turn based system while 13 is ATB. They're practically different sub genres

>>379951475
>XIII is essentially what X-2 was with the Yuna worship taken to an entirely new level,

The fuck are you even talking about? That's not even CLOSE to the story.

>only now you have Lightning who's a crappy clone of Cloud.

SOMEBODY clearly didn't play FF13 if you think that. Or that you are so nostalgic for Cloud that you fail to understand that character archetype does not equal character personality.

By that logic, Cecil Harvey, Cyan and Auron are the same character because they are the "Honorable warrior who searches for forgiveness" archetype.

dont think i could ever hate X but X-2 is questionable story wise.

X has flaws of course but it was the most fun i had with turn based combat and I really liked most of the characters Auron was just badass he never said pointless shit and always dropped knowledge bombs

X-2 was just weird I liked the characters but Yuna shouldnt have been changed so drastically cause I loved her dress in X it made her a more modest and beautiful in my opinion.

another thing why i disliked X-2 so much is that they should have kept Tidus dead because X ending was all about coming to terms with dreams that have ended such as him just being a dream himself and Yuna moving on.

>>379939840
I think every party member has GOAT design except Tidus and maybe Lulu.

>>379952121
No, that's combat.

Gameplay includes level design, leveling up characters, minigames, etc.

>>379950309

Its mostly about hype and marketing. FFX was marketed as the must own AAA game of the PS2. It also was suppose to be 'revolutionary' because it was a fully voiced game and for its graphics. Not unlike how FFVII got huge hype for its FMVs and being something surprising to people visually.

FFXIII on the other hand came out at a time when Final Fantasy was losing popularity to series like Souls and Witcher. And it didn't really do anything revolutionary. It had voice acting and graphics...but these weren't the big surprise they were back on the PS1 and PS2. By the time FFXIII came out, people didn't look at it as the must own game. Just one of dozens of overhyped AAA games.

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>ay bruddah, we gotta shoot them sand monkeys and then burn the bodies, including the children, ya?

How did Square get away with this?

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>>379951996
Youtube quality obviously. Oh but wait, you're that triggered autistic shill.

>>379951996
How much have the chinese payed you to shill this long?

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>>379952307
>posting the shit version

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>>379952125
not him but lightning is literally a twinkier cloud

>>379952301
>FFXIII on the other hand came out at a time when Final Fantasy was losing popularity to series like Souls and Witcher.

Souls and the Witcher aren't really the kind of games that people who look into Final Fantasy buy though. Souls games were just for MAJOR veteran players looking for hard games. Witcher was still just a niche thing due to nobody outside Poland hearing of the material.

Also, I recall that FF13 and the Souls games were the only sucessful major release on the PS3 for the LONGEST fucking time Japan wise.

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>>379952436

You're both wrong. This is the definitive version.

>>379951727
its*

>>379952301
>FFXIII on the other hand came out at a time when Final Fantasy was losing popularity to series like Souls and Witcher.
Things that never happened.

FF13 is just shit.

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>People actually comparing XIII to X

This would have been considered a sin here back when XIII was released holy shit.

>>379932748
The last good Final Fantasy

>>379952784
>>379952436
>>379952307

>it's time to perform the final summoning
>YA BRUDDAH, DID SOMEONE SAY FINAL SOLUTION?

>>379952625
>not him but lightning is literally a twinkier cloud

Okay, where's the smart aleck attitude? or the identity crisis? Or the tragic love interest? Or the amnesiac past?

Those are what made Cloud Strife himself. Squall had almost these things too and he came off as a more pessimistic Cloud Strife.

Yet it's clearly not things you associate with Lightning Farron. People who say they have the same personality (Projared) clearly didn't even understand what made Cloud popular.

>>379952960
It's comparable because it's similar gameplay design and both the director and producer are the same.

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>>379951394
Oh I do. I really just don't like how X is structured, since it reminds me so much of XIII.

>>379953094
Dude, I actually LIKE Lightning more than Tidus and his laugh, but it's painfully obvious Lightning was visually based on Cloud. Even Toriyama admits this, despite the two being completely different outside of design.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOzM4ClFG1o

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>>379951805
>Gameplay in FF13 was similar to that of FF10.
What am I even reading here

>>379953573
But that's what I'm saying. The whole "Lightning is just Cloud" is usually pointed towards their personality. That's the problem. Visually having similar features doesn't equate to same character.

That's the sad part.

>>379953094
Nigga I can't identify battle systems as separate from gameplay. The combat is the primary gameplay device

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>>379951996
>your comparison is fake and misleading you fat fuck.
What did he mean by this?

FFX has some fun boss fights.

>>379950309
FFX has actual world-building, explorable towns and areas, meaningful dialogue with NPCs, better plot and character development, and a shit ton more side content.

>>379953882
I can. Most of the time, combat is just something that is done on a repetition. Gameplay is made with more variety.

It's like saying Mario jumping and shooting fireballs is some kind of major game mechanic. Everybody knows it's the levels that you go through and the worlds you go through that are the gameplay portion.

>>379949443

the whole pilgrimage is supposed to be pointless did you not understand the game?

>>379954119
Not that guy but FF13 has most of those things dude. FF13's character development was WAY better than FF10. I don't care how much you love Auron, he doesn't make up the entire cast.

>>379952665

It wasn't just Souls or Witcher. It was the fact that there was a plethora of series which now took the attention of the general market. On the PS1 and PS2, Final Fantasy as a series was one of the biggest IPs. But by the time the PS3 rolled around, there were several dozen huge IPs. Core FF fans still cared about Final Fantasy, but much of the sales for major Final Fantasy titles come from people who aren't long time fans. It comes from people who buy into the hype that it is the next big game.

You can even argue that FFXII was suffering from this. Consider it. When FFX came out, it was the most hyped game by far. But then by the time FFXII came out, you had stuff like GTA or God of War or dozens of other series which were suddenly competing for attention.

FFXIII still sold very well for a game with so much competition for the record. But Final Fantasy no longer cornered the market for most expensive AAA series out there. Nothing on the PS1 could come close to the expense they spent on producing and marketing FFVII. But plenty of games could match or surpass what FFXIII did.

>>379954295
That last line sounds real fishy anon. The whole party of X has tons of development except for really Lulu. Auron is popular because he's great, but this notion that he "carries the game" is foolish because no one actually thinks that, because he doesn't.

>>379954208

>the whole pilgrimage is supposed to be pointless
Which is one of the reasons I think the story is bad. If 80% of the games story is suppose to be pointless, then that's pretty bad. They could have given better development so that 'the church' was seen to be a scam, but still make it feel like your journey was worth it. As it turned out, the only thing that made the journey worth it was seeing the beautiful locations. Everything to do with the aeons, characters and story was made pointless.

>>379954863
Lulu you had to go out of your way. Yuna did the job of the main character better than Tidus. and Auron was awesome.

However, TIdus had a weak motivation after the reveal about his father, Wakka was just racist in general to a point of irrtationality, and Khimari was just there.

Rikku was just another kooky girl, so she's not different from Selfie, Enko, Penelo and Vanille.

>>379954295
>Not that guy but FF13 has most of those things dude
Then tell me about all the towns and areas you can visit to know more about the world in FFXIII. Tell me about all the minigames and extra activities you can do in XIII. Tell me about all the sidequests and characters you meet that help develop your party members in FFXIII.

>>379932748
Low tier.

>>379955361
I really disagree with your assessment of Tidus, I think he's a really great protagonist that stands out in the genre. Like said earlier in the thread, he's a fish out of water and is this bunbling awkward sports player who doesn't understand the world he's in, and he does a great job conveying all of that.

I also think Wakka is a super compelling character. I think it's kind of crazy how straight up racist Wakka comes off at times but it's a really cool kind of character to throw in and have his perspective in the mix. I would love to see more gamesetbyou jave party members like Wakka, who even goes on to be pretty dynamic and change his viewpoint after his whole reality comes crashing down.

I would have liked to see more Khimari stuff and I agree with your Rikki assessment

>>379956107
>Nautalis
>Palumpolum
>Eden
>Oearba
>Paadra
>Bohdum
>Taajin's Tower

I was easily able to list those.

Minigames
>Chocobo minigame
>Mecha minigame
>Temple puzzle minigame
>Tournament minigame
>Collectables with the dog

Sidequests
>All the sidequests have to do with former L'cie. Each one tells a story about their failure and how each and every Ceith Stone has unfinished business. You can go back and redo them over and over.

>>379932748
HA HA HA HA HA HA

>>379932748
It was alright but I think this was the point where the world building in the series gets weird.

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>Never played a Final Fantasy to completion
>Just bought X yesterday for 3 bucks
>Thread full of people who love it
Now I'm excited. Thanks, anons.

>>379956575
You can barely explore some of those areas and none of those sidequests add to the characters in FFXIII. You just learn about the past of random ass Lcie. Not to mention you're doing the same exact thing in those quests over and over again.

FFX has monster capturing, monster arena, lightning dodging, butterfly catching, desert hunting, ACTUAL chocobo racing, cloister of trials, extra dungeons that add to the world, and aeon sidequests that tell more about characters (example: Seymour, Lulu, Belgimine). In addition, it has Blitzball which is a whole fucking game in itself and way deeper than everything you just listed.

>>379948897
But the HD version is on the left, i don't get it

>>379959047
>Says give me examples
>provides legitimate examples.
>NOOOO, that doesn't COUNT!

Geez, you would never have been good at debating, would you?

>>379932748
Gameplay and music are the best part of the game. World building and setting are also good.

Character design is fucking shit, I've hated Nomura's style since FF VII. Tidus is annoying and has no real reason to be there, Yuna always felt like the main character to me. Side quests for the most part were ungodly hard, grinding and boring, but exploring the world was good. Sphere Grid was weird but not as bad the board in XII. Final boss was lame, but mainly because I hated Tidus and didn't gave a fuck about him or his problems, could've made Yuna's dad s Sin just the same. 6/10

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>>379959085
No it's not, look at the font.

>>379954119

>FFX has actual world-building, explorable towns and areas, meaningful dialogue with NPCs, better plot and character development, and a shit ton more side content.
But FFX was poor in a lot of those areas. If a person really wanted a game that did all that, they'd play something like Dragon Quest X. The reason people played FFX was for the graphics and story. And the story falls apart near the end.

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Fuck the minigames, though.

>>379959512

Dragon Quest VIII I mean. I goofed.

>>379959224
And I'm telling you that they pale in comparison to what FFX has to offer which was the main point I was making. I mean...you're comparing that mecha mini game that you get to play once to the likes of blitzball for christ's sake.

>>379960925
1. You are making that comparison
2. You are ignoring everything I said
3. I know you are just trolling at this point.

>>379959406

I like right better. Richer colors, sharper textures, no glitchy text, deeper blacks, wtf is going on with the shadows on the left image? Look at her armpits lol wtf

Remaster is clearly superior.

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>>379962310
>shitty animations and no lighting at all
Enjoy those 'enhancements'.

Thoughts on the Steam port? Better than emulating?

>>379939040
>Shitting on Blitzball

I will fucking cut you.

It's the birth point for many of the problems that people hate about later games. I like it though.

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>>379962726

Everything looks better except maybe the faces. That's it. That's all you got.

>>379960925

I haven't even played FFXIII yet, but how is blitzball a good example of a mini game? It's pretty bad.

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>>379962829

Yes. There is a huge faggot in this thread who will post misleading comparisions saying that emulating is better but the PC steam version is the best looking verison.

Do not listen to that troll.

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>>379962912
The atmosphere of the entire game is ruined in the remaster and the textures were made in mspaint. They have no consistency.

And ignoring that the characters are objectively worse when most of the game is a cutscene is a fine way to make your argument of a good remake.

>>379962829
Ignore the shill, it's not better than emulation.
>cropped FMVs
>ugly as fuck art style
>removed lighting
>character models are worse especially in motion

>>379963012
seriously i never understood the blitzball dicksucking. i got every celestial weapon except wakkas because blitzball is shite

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>>379963329

Nah it looks better brah.

>>379963530
it's fun, you just didn't get it. like people who didn't play dice or gwent in the witcher series.

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>>379963635
>>379962829

>>379963795

XD

Alright that's pretty funny. Now I know you're not actually serious.

Good characters, interesting world, great designs, good gameplay, fantastic OST. I like it a lot. The plot's all right, too. It's not in my favorites but I enjoy revisiting it.

>>379947871
>>And holy shit Square better not have outsourced Zodiac Age to another Chinese studio again holy shit. Is there any confirmation online that it isn't or will we only find out when we get the final product?

Supposedly they got as much of the original team back together to do the remaster, but who knows how legit that is, or if it was just PR speak.

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>>379963663
>it's fun, you just didn't get it

>>379962012
No fucking shit I was making that comparison, that's how this discussion got started in the first place. Then you came in trying to tell me that FFXIII has most of what FFX has and then listed a bunch of shit for FFXIII without actually explaining how they're on par with X. And I didn't ignore your post, see >>379959047

>>379962912
The faces are a pretty big part of the game considering it's about the characters and you have to look at them during most of the cutscenes.

>>379955132
It was worth it to reveal how pointless everything was and put a stop to it once and for all.

>>379932748
Love it, I played this as a teenager and multiple times after throughout my life. Amazing jrpg. It's my second favorite FF behind IX

>>379964576

Eh not worth sacrificing the entire world looking worse, the text looking glitchy, water looking flat as shit, textures blurry....etc.

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>>379964004
It's 1:1 comparing potato Tidus to normal Tidus. The remaster fucking sucks.

it was too long.

Felt like the game ended when Yuna was getting married.

>>379939840
>jrpg
>wanting to skip cutscene

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>>379932748
I really like it.

I'm currently going through the monster arena stuff. After which I'll max out Tidus, Yuna, and Rikku and go for the optional areas.

And then I'm going to play X-2.

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>>379964898

Nah overall it's much better.

See I'm able to post full screenshots instead of cropped misleading nonsense that you're trying to pull. You haven't posted a full screenshot comparision yet.

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>>379965198
Here's your final (You).
>>379950532
>>379948897

>>379950309
XIII is shit in every regard outside of grafix. X has nice characters, an interesting world, great fucking music, and more things to do that kill monsters for side quests. It has explorable towns, actually nice character interaction, and the sphere grid is better than whatever gimped shit XIII had. Also they may both be linear but At least the party can back track in FF X. FF X may be a corridor for the early parts but at least the party can go back through the corridor to a certain degree. FF XIII is a corridor where the door closes behind you after you pass it and you can't go back. in FF X the doors stay open.

>>379964985
Cut scenes and story are cancer.
I don't know why they bother including it, they're never ever good.

If you want a story pick up a book.

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>>379965593

>Comparing to the vita version.

I'm 1440p PC you idiot. I'm not arguing for the vita verison.

>>379965593
>>379964898
>>379963795
How are the X-2 models compared to the PS2 version? I only ever see X faces posted.

>>379965893

Alright looks like I'm going with the steam HD version then. Thanks anon! Those textures look a lot sharper than the emulated verison.

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>>379964985
>get a game over and have to watch the same scene again
>this is fine
You some kind of sadist?

>>379939840
>I will say, it's absolutely CRIMINAL that there is no version of the game with a "skip cutscenes" feature. Unforgivable.
Amen.

>>379932748
It's got a great story and fun gameplay, I just wish Tidus and Yuna weren't so boring.

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>>379965907
X-2 isn't bad but they still did change the way the characters look. Don't have any comparisons but it's worth it to play X-2 in the remaster because it's the Japan only version which was never properly translated on PS2.

X is emulation all the way though.

>>379966270
There's no notable difference in the awful remakes, you don't have to reply to yourself lol.

>>379963530

I did get Wakka's weapon because doing the Blitzball stuff is actually one of the easiest. But that is also part of the reason I think it sucks. Just recruit Brother, put him on forward and you win every time. Once you hit level 20, reset back to 1 and continue winning.

The other reason blitzball sucks is it's a fucking turn based sports game. Sports being turn based is about the dumbest thing I can think of. Can you imagine if Chocobo Racing in FFVII was turn based?

It's also dumb that they make it out to be this amazing unique sport that took the world by storm. And it's just water polo.

>>379966583

Eww that looks like throwup

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>Although he was not the man I once knew, Kinoc was still my friend, Seymour! YOU WILL PAY FOR HIS DEATH!

I remember being 12 and getting chills, Auron had a GOAT voice actor.

>>379966646
>>It's also dumb that they make it out to be this amazing unique sport that took the world by storm. And it's just water polo.

Its a world filled with crushing despair. They take what they can get.

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>>379965907

Remaster is also superior for FFX-2

It's just the definitive version. Everyone but this one misleading troll knows it.

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>>379937034
Seems pretty clear to me. Never figured out why there was a castle on it's head, though

Biggest problem with X is that savespheres full heal you, makes the game too easy.

>>379967183
Do you get paid for this?

>>379967075

Blitzball was suppose to have become popular before Zanarkand fell. But overlooking that, the real issue is that Square basically just copied Water Polo and then thought no one would notice. "Oh, we put it completely underwater! It's totally unique now!"

Also, they're in a giant sphere of water, yet you can only move on a 2 dimensional plane. How many ways can this game suck?

>>379967706

No, I just really love this game and want people to experience the best version possible, and misleading fuck trolls like you make me sick.

>>379932748
how good is brother in x-2

i used him for a little bit and with his mug skill i had like 50 potions

>>379967984
But you're the one trying to mislead people. Both versions look like shit and the remaster looks worse.

>>379967984
Then you should be telling them to emulate the original game you faggot shill.

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>>379968175

False. Remaster looks miles better

>>379967984
Imagine being this autistic.

It's a fact that all FF remasters are garbage.

>>379968262
"no"

>>379967810

>Also, they're in a giant sphere of water, yet you can only move on a 2 dimensional plane. How many ways can this game suck?
Despite the opening FMV clearly showing players swimming up and down. As well as Tidus completely jumping out of the water to do a trick shot. All things you can't do when actually playing.

Yeah, it sucks the big one alright.

>>379963072
>>379963329
So who's more correct? The troll or the shill?

Also does pcsx2 have input lag?

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>>379968402

Yes

>>379932748
a good end to a beloved franchise

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>>379968262
>False. Remaster looks miles better

>>379968556

Who's right? The guy posting full screenshots or the guy showing misleading webm of cropped misleading comparisions to the vita verison? I wonder.

>>379968579
"No."

>>379967337

Part of the real Zanarkand, supposedly.

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>>379968556
There's only the shill. Literally no one else would call me a troll for posting comparisons.

pcsx2 feels like it has input lag in Dirge of Cerberus and DMC3 but I've never noticed it in other games.

>>379967657

HP outside of battle was never a problem in any FF game. You just buy a ton of potions and heal yourself as needed. The only time HP becomes a problem is during battle.

Square just finally realized people were doing this and said 'fuck it, give them a heal to save time'. Yet they still didn't give you a damn teleport spell. Fucking Dragon Quest had this in the very first game, but Final Fantasy always makes you wait for an airship. This is the most annoying design decision in the series (along with ATB).

Terrible gameplay redeemed by fantastic world building.

>>379944962
*Father walks in*

"Son, what the fuck are you playing?"

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>>379969047

>Youtube
>ps3 version

Fuck off troll.

>>379969047
>There's only the shill. Literally no one else would call me a troll for posting comparisons.
He's XV-kun levels of autistic except he's not even a fan of the original game.

>>379966974
auron is broest of all bros tier

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>>379969290
Post the cropped fmv at 1440p then :)

>>379969309
Yes he is.

>>379969309

>Liking a newer version that comes out with better graphics means you weren't a fan of the original game

You guys are retarded. I'm out.

>>379969545
>better graphics
Lol.

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>>379969793

This is emulated.

If you think this looks better than my screenshots you're fucking blind.

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>Auron is 35
>Tidus and Yunq are 17
>Lulu is 22
>Rikku is 15

None of these feel right to me, I regret ever looking them up.

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>>379969545
>better graphics
?

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>>379970364

Yes. Better graphics. Nice misleading webm yet again.

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holy shit i thought the pictures in this thread were exaggerations but it really is shit

>>379970268
That's FF for you, though. Anyone over 17 is a seasoned veteran of a hundred battles whose only real use is to train the 17-year-olds who will save the world. If you're over 25, you're old and retired. If you're over 30, you get grey hair and are the wise old man/woman of the group.

>>379964810
It's not a sacrifice. They could have easily kept the faces and changed everything else. They remade them to look like potatoes for no reason.

>>379971248

To be fair, Auron is dead

Lulu complaining about everyone else being "kids" is ridiculous tho

It's the last time I truly liked a Final Fantasy game. I spent just as much time playing the minigame Blitzball as I did the regular game. I liked the characters, story, summonings and the design of the world was great. Getting some of the ultimate weapons sucked, but I did them all.

People hate it cause it's turn base, linear, or that you didn't actually fly an airship around the world, but none of that bothered me. The only game I found that I had as much fun as this one is Lost Odyssey

>>379971248
>Anyone over 17 is a seasoned veteran of a hundred battles whose only real use is to train the 17-year-olds
To be fair, Cecil, Cloud and Lightning were still important in their stories. They were still hardened veterans of war that needed to atone for their myriad sins, of course.

You probably shouldn't laugh anymore.

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>>379974805

I'm a faggot who played 10, loved it but found Tidus a bit too awkward to admire as a leader, and then I played 12 after X-2.

Now X-2 wasn't what I was expecting with its weird battle pace, but I still played it, hoping that Tidus was gonna be back.

Fast forward to 12, I'm lovig it and it has a dope as fuck gambit system and easy way to farm incredibly valuable loot, plus really diverse and neat enemies.

Then you get to 13 and it missed out on making an RTS final fantasy that didn't out you off until you had like three branches in the main roles.

15 kinda lost out on even more than 13 did, but I hardly play Final Fantasy for he combat, more of the story and characters and scenery

I was aware of the laughing scene's infamy and had at least seen the Japanese Tidus laugh on youtube before but I wasn't prepared when I finally played the game for the first time.

I was in tears. I was laughing so hard I was almost in pain. It's such an amazing combination of elements, both intentional and not. The script, the delivery, everything. I understood what they were going for, and it's meant to be somewhat funny but endearing, but the way it plays out I just found gut-bustingly hilarious. That fucking laugh, the way Yuna tells him to stop followed by that half-second where he looks back and then just turns around and keeps that laugh going, the blank looking models of the characters watching, how it just goes on and on. It's absurd.