>BTFO by fucking Dragon Ball What did they mean by this?

Fucking glad capcoms dead

Arc is gonna swim in cash if they offer to rent or license their cel-shading shit.

>>379932269
Capcom is fucking finished

>>379932269
Hey guys my favorite (((YOUTUBE CONTENT CREATOR))) has uploaded a reaction video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-DvRNMmJkc

>>379933018
Ok.

>>379932574
They can't, really. Their filters are nice, but most of what makes Xrd and the new DB look so good is the team's dedication to hand-animate all the models frame by frame. That just requires good old dedication.

>>379932574
That's not even the kind of thing that could be packaged as middleware. That's ArcSys hand-crafting every frame of animation, manipulating the model's shape in excessive ways and its lighting with each frame.

>>379932269
Will be happy if they get buried desu

You can all say that, but i doubt it, i'm just going to make a little prediction here

Tomorrow we're going to see that Ryce's leak was real, visually it will still look like shit and the gameplay will still look slow and mediocre like the last trailer we've seem, but Capcbros will insist that "t-the gameplay is s-sick!" and the majority of people hating on the roster will change their minds and will suddenly love the game again. Meanwhile, the DBZ fighter will die quickly and won't have a third of the players that MvCI will have

I would love to be proven wrong, but i know i won't be, because Capcbros are beyond salvation at this point

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>>379933341
> Crapcom dedicating time and effort into MvCi

Yeah it's safe to say they are finished...

>>379933946
I feel like Dragon Ball is a popular enough brand to sell pretty decently.

>Every FGC personality is saying how exciting DBZ is and how glad they are it exists after Infinite leaks
>a year later they will all be playing Infinite instead because that's where the money is

So predictable. The FGC is a joke.

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>>379933946
>the gameplay will still look slow and mediocre

Stopped reading right there. Say all you want about it's graphics, but the gameplay still looks fast and solid for 2v2

I sincerely hope MvC:I sells like garbage

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>>379932269
Realistically what could MVC do to win back fans who abandoned ship for the new arc sys DBZ? Like other than impossible things like making the artstyle look like GG or scrapping the models and going for sprites what could they do? They need a 10/10 roster to keep people hype and so far that looks very unlikely.

Maybe have like Asura, Dante, and they buy out X-men characters? I really don't know. It's a shame cause the gameplay actually looks solid. If the game didn't have such a boring roster and vomit worthy aesthetic people wouldn't be shitting on it so much.

>>379933946
>but Capcbros will insist that "t-the gameplay is s-sick!"
Funny thing is most Marvel players that are FGC I know have completely lost hype for it due to Dragonball Fighter

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>>379934293
now die bitch

>>379934684
Give it a day

>>379934293
it'll also be because mvci is a better game

>>379934684
Capcom has the money and fame. They'll all begrudgingly go back to Infinite.

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>>379935534
>it'll also be because mvci is a better game

>>379935534
It won't be. Capcom just loves throwing money at the E-Sports FGC scene more than any other company.

>>379935534
>>379934293

They go where the money is, that's all. It's the reason they're still playing SFV. As long as capcom keeps pumping money into the game players will keep playing it for the money.

Guilty Gear Revelator has a frame and a half of input delay.
Street Fighter 5 has SIX AND A HALF FRAMES OF INPUT DELAY because the people that made it are incompetent.

>>379934603
Delaying the game and including the first season of characters is the only thing they could do at this point, but nobody at Marvel or Capcom is going to make that call this late into production.

>>379932269
It means that Goku is better than capeshit.

>DB fans like BoG while Superman fans hate Man of Murder.
>Revival of F is reviewed better than BvS
>Aksys DBZ looks better than Injustice.

>>379936480
They aren't incompetent they did it on purpose.

Good. Fuck Capcom.
Even looking at the MvCI trailer after seeing DragonBall Fighter Z's trailer is just laughable.

>>379933341
>filters
it's almost all done in the model itself, yo.

>>379933018

this is what Marvel vs Capcom Infinite should've look like

>>379932269
It's the whole "Halo killer" thing all over again.

People don't realize SF is just too big to fail.

It's going to be GGXRD vs. SFV all over again

People will complain about MvCI being bland, a step down from UMvC3, havig a small roster and it being simplified, all while sucking DBZ's dick and talking about how awsome it is

But at the end of the day they'll be playing MvCI, and i don't say this as a Capcom fan, i love ASW fighters and nothing would make me happier than seeing Capcom die, but i just know it's going to happen, again

>>379937158
Meant to say capcom, eh yall know what I meant.

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>>379934293
it's sad but that's how is gonna go down. Just look at them still playing SFV while shitting on it on a daily basis.

>>379937047
>MvC should look like Dragon Ball
At least say it should look like pop art illustrations.

>>379932269

Live by the Casual, Die by the Casual

>>379932269
why do we think the new DBZ game will be good, again? Have we seen any actual gameplay? Do we know what the roster will look like?

We've seen both for MvCi and as a result we know it'll be shit, but it seems premature to call the DBZ game as any better.

Good fuck Capcom, they don't deserve anymore money for their shitty output and anti-consumerism.

Fuck SF especially.

>>379937535
Have you seen Guilty Gear?

>>379933537
>>379933341
they only adjust the lighting frame-by-frame during cinematic stuff, in the fight they just use each character's own static lightning.

>>379937158
>>379937318
Capcom have failed. The fgc is just one big Capcom circlejerk that won't let go of the past.

PRESS F TO PAY RESPECTS

>>379937638
so because a developer made a good game once, that means every time they make a game it'll be good? I'm just saying to actually wait until we know more about how it actually plays.

>>379937638
That kind of goodwill got us where we are now with capcom. Don't be so eager to see another game crash that you're going to blindly fanboy over this one.

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>>379935534
I sincerely hope you are joking...

>>379934603
2 things:
roster as big or larger than MvC2
soundtrack in a similar style to MvC2

spidey 2099 alt costume with voiced lines would be nice too

>>379937957

They've made more than one game dumbass

>>379936772
DB fans like BotG and Revival of F, but Super is pretty trash.

I hope it's mostly Z characters though and no Super ones, but with some DB

>>379938134
>Don't be so eager to see another game crash that you're going to blindly fanboy over this one
Welcome to Tekken 7 threads. And KoF14 threads. Fuck, every fighting game thread that isn't Skullgirls is like this now. Why do Capcom haters have to be so obnoxious and autistic? The fact that they're right about a lot of things sucks because it just boosts their egos through the ceiling.

>>379938679
You know who else has made more than one game, including some of the best fighting games of all time? Capcom. Yet look where they are right now.

Sure, Xrd is pretty decent, but it's not as good as classic GG, and Blazblue is a mess. Their 3DS dbz game was mediocre, too. Don't get your hopes up prematurely.

>>379938683
there is no difference between DB and DBZ

>>379934603
That's what made it so painful at first. It looks like an actually interesting game, but everything else about it has been complete dogshit. And watch we get another SFxT mishap and all of the DLC characters are going to be on the fucking disk again.

>>379938756
Because most of /v/ are streamboars. FighterZ might end up as amazing as this impression is giving us, but the threads are still going to be terrible because someone will inevitably bring up how much better it is than SFV or MvCI instead of rightfully just letting those games die off.

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>>379938683
It's called "Dragon Ball" Fighterz so expect to see fighters from all three series. I am hopinh for 10 fighters from each one or at least 5 from dragon ball. My boi Tao pai pai should be in it along with devilman, mummy, Nam and Jackie chun.

As for super, besides golden frieza from the trailer I would love to have merged zamasu.

>>379932269
I have no interest in MvC Infinite unless Ace Attorney gets confirmed

If you're not gonna localize AAI2 or Great Ace Attorney, you can at least give us this, Crapcom.

>>379939462
Dont forget if they add females, we're gonna see "will you buy x's game?" or the say something nice to her trash.

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>>379940091
I don't mind that as much since it's an easy thread starter and image farming, plus they usually don't talk past the OP so you can discuss the game around that unless you're so blinded by rage you can't ignore them.
The ones I'm worried about are the ones that can't go one thread without starting company wars because they usually suck other people in and then the entire thread's in flames, making it hard to even talk about whatever it is you're talking about.

>>379939441
>there's no difference deference between super kung fu and power level beam wars

No, delete your post.

The only thing i don't like about it is the Ui it's suuuuper bland

Hopefully it's just a placeholder..

>>379940091

X is in the game

>>379938593
Asking for a roster as big as 2's is unrealistic when 2's was 99% reused sprites.

Marvel is finished

It's gonna be weird seeing a DBZ game at EVO tho

>>379939270
BB is great, especially in its current iteration. CT and CS had huge issues, but in CP they actually gave the series its own identity in terms of gameplay.

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>>379942112

They could have easily reused 3's models and just added the new ones ontop of that.

Don't tell me it's fucking hard.

>>379934603
its a very awkward situation for mvc right now, they are cashing in on the hype that mvc3 brought, but its at an awkward time where people are kind of burnt out and dont care about mvc anymore, and the insurgence of MCU garbage also diluted the market where its a bunch of FOTM characters and none of the classics that made people care about the game are featured

i am not sure if people are particularly interested in 3 v 3 specifically, it was disappointing to see MVCI dumb it down for new comers and mass market appeal, but 3 v 3 was never something that people sought after. The thing about the new DBZ game is that i don't feel like it directly competes with MVC. arksystem works has never made anything close to the popularity of capcom games outside of japan, and i dont feel like we will see that shift even with the new DBZ game although i would say tekken is the big prize winner so far.

as big as DBZ is, i dont think the brand recognition and hype for the characters are as high compared to marvel+capcom. theres a lot of retarded side characters in DBZ that a lot of people dont care about, its all mostly cell+goku+vegeta+Bu+ Frieza and thats about it. not to mention the kind of contrarian anime community that dislikes DBZ because its baby's first shounen

>Bamco dedicated to pissing on Capcom

I like it.

>>379943084
Bamco are just the publishers, ASW ar the developers.

>all these FGCucks pretending that they get off of Capcom's dick
You're cute

>>379943156
Bamco are the ones with the DB license that went to them to make the game.

>>379943269

Okay? That doesn't change what he said.

>>379937352
that's a stupid comparison, SFV has no competitors (and it's also Street Fighter, the most recognizable fighting game of all time)

>>379932269
Perlmutter is a petty bastard for trying to ride the MCU tailcoats that he used to have control of.

>>379941394
And he's the shittiest Mega Man.

>>379943695

there are lots of other games they could be playing but they stick with SF just for brand appeal is the point.

They could play GG, KOF, BB, Tekken fuck there's no reason they can't play an old game. The FGC is so deep in Capcom's web they don't know they're little more than unpaid shills

NO YAMCHA

NO BUY

NO HERCULE

NO BUY

>>379932269
>Tekken 7
>DBZ Fighter
>Ace Combat
Bamco is here to save video games

>>379944042
You do realize there are other events and shit going on too, right? A lot more people are just into the first layer with evo and the capcom cup business.

>>379935914
>Blizzard

>>379944042
>They could play GG, KOF, BB, Tekken

GG is anime, KOF is its own thing and very different from SF in every way, BB is anime and Tekken is a 3d fighter

none of these games are even remotely similar to street fighter so of course street fighter players are going to stay in the street fighter game, no matter how shit it is

and the reason they can't play old games is because there is literally 0 support for those

>>379943695
For you it might be stupid if you don't understand the implications. SFV is one of the worst fighting games made in the last decade.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSgA_nK_w3A&t

>>379937158
>>379937318
Oh yeah, because Shitter Fighter V was so successful. That dumpster fire they have the gall to call a MvC game is gonna fail as well.

>>379937158
Why have people forgotten that SF3 bombed horribly and that it caused Capcom to stop making fighters for a decade?

>>379944901
>and the reason they can't play old games is because there is literally 0 support for those


Fuck you there's no support. Support comes because people make it. Go on fightcade get a live scene going.

The real problem is that you assholes are so babied by online play that you forgot how to actually play with a real human being next to you.

I just went to a Vampire Savior tournament using the fucking sega saturn last weekend at a local game shop. It had a pretty decent turn out and cash prizes.

>>379939270
>You know who else has made more than one game, including some of the best fighting games of all time? Capcom.
And people ignored half of those fighting games because they weren't Street Fighter or Marvel.

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>>379937047
>>379937487
The original MVC series looked like anime and everyone love it.

But just imagine it looking like Jack Kirby drawings and having zero MCU influences. My God, why we can't have something like this? The best game we'll never play.

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>>379941394
Smooth.

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>>379933946
Ok, first thing first, I think you don't understand something here.
In term of popularity around the world: Dragon Ball >>>>>>>>> Any Capcom fighting game.
All the fucking FGC is over DBZ and you will have a shit ton of casual players that will watch tournaments of the game because it's Dragon Ball and it look gorgeous. Also, Bandai will put a lot money on the table to make the game appealing in esport like they have done to make this game by Arcsys. They were extremely lazy with DB games for the past 10 years, this move is more than a simple move, they have an objective.

This is the Capcom Killer, I'm not even joking.
If MvC:I was not a rushed shitty game, we could have a great battle.
But the fight is already over.

>>379946272
>The original MVC series looked like anime and everyone love it.
Capocm's old sprite style was as much Disney/Looney Tunes as it was anime.

>>379945995
alright, as of now there is no support

maybe if season 3 is even worse we'll see ultra make a comeback or something, but as of RIGHT NOW there is no support for any of the old games

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man, all the fucking lazy assholes at Capcom had to do was hire Arc Sys to do MvC 3

guess we'll have to wait till MvC 4 now

>>379932269
Marvel is finished.

>>379937158
>>379937213
You'd have a point if DBZ wasn't monumentally more popular than mvc or SF to normies. This'll sell like hotcakes just off the DBZ brand name alone, but this this time we actually have in depth fighting game mechanics to give it long lasting appeal. The pro players are most likely going to be new blood. We're probably going to see Sonic Foxes, nuckledus, or Chrisgs for this game.

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>>379946519
Yes. And that's why we all loved it. Capcom had the best artists, artists that got animation right taking influences both from anime and from Popeye cartoons.
Perhaps the only ones to truly understand it since Tezuka.

>>379946806

There's no support because idiots keep pushing the new games. They have to stop cold turkey, see SF5 for how shit it is and drop it like a log.

We live in an age where we have so many ways to communicate, stream and work shit out that there's no excuse for people still being corporate bitches

>>379947001
You really think they'll make another MvC if this one underperforms? That's not how Capcom works.

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>>379947202
http://art-eater.com/2010/07/test-1-darkstalkers/

always a fun read

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>>379947202
Huitzil is so awesome.

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>>379946519
>>379947202
And that's something even Arc Systems can't do. Although DBFZ looks really good thanks to the cel shading, the movement is pretty jerky and nowhere close to Darkstalkers animation.
Also, the characters don't move like in DBZ anime or like Toriyama would draw them moving. The angles are different and everything seems a bit off, although way better than Dragon Ball Super.

I hope we at least get Arale, Kame Sennin and DB kid Goku.

>>379947593

So awesome home versions couldn't handle his swagger

>>379947202
>we will never get a Darkstalkers sequel done by Arc System Works

I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

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>>379942929
Hell, they're already re-using 3's assets. Capcom are being a bunch of greedy cunts who want to nickel and dime you for characters they've already long since finished work on.

>Tekken 7
>ARMS
>Dragon Ball Fighter Z
>1080p Pokken Tournament with the arcade content and portable play
>Plenty more fighting games made by people who give a shit.
>A new Super Smash Bros. is an inevitability.

Should Capcom just give up now? They're embarassing themselves at this point.

>>379937691
The characters still have color data embedded into vertices, manually tweaked vertex normals so the cel shading layers exactly how they want it to, and manually warped animations to carry the "2D" style of animation to 3D.

>>379946456
this

>>379947991
Wouldn't it have been better to just make Sammy VS Capcom back when that was going to be a thing? Outright outsourcing the sequel seems to usually not work right.

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>>379947991
>Capcom brings back DS
>3D models
>Only 12 fighters
>Season pass model
>MFW

>>379946456
Basically. Capcom will probably lose by default. I cannot believe how perfectly well timed a move this is for Bandai and Arcsys.

>>379939724
do you not know who is making the game if you expect anything more then 20 characters prepare to be disappointed

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>>379948260
Capcom already outsourced a Sengoku Basara fighter to Arc and it turned out pretty awful.

>>379948267
>Only 12 fighters
That's two thirds of the entire series, not a bad start.

>>379948895
Love how Marvelfaggots get so triggered by epic artwork

>>379933018
hey hey hey Max is good guy who RAKES in money every stream

>>379949089
It would likely have new characters, so I'd guess something like 8+4 distribution.

>>379948267
>>3D models
UGLY clunky 3D models with a mess of shaders

>>379943004
Nobody actually hates dragonballz, even more so dragonball. super might be hated

>>379946456
heres the thing, MVC was carried basically by purely america, and america is in fact one of the biggest if not the biggest video game market on earth. The marvel aspect completely carried the mvc games and made it the success that it is, considering competitively there are rarely any asian players. DBZ might be more popular than any capcom game, but the DBZ fan demographic are not synonymous with people that play fighting games, considering there have been many DBZ pseudo fighting games already, that niche is filled, and having a more "pure" fighting game won't make that big of a difference

dragonball z is not clear cut winner for one reason. western FGC hates anime, arksystem works games barely see the light of day and at event like evo, its practically all Japanese players on anime fighters. the eastern market already eats up anime fighters, and as popular and well known as DBZ is, i don't know if its enough to make westerners play anime fighters in terms of high level torunament play especially since the gameplay differences between capcom and arksystem works games are so different

>>379948267
> only 12 fighters
...what?
your kidding right how did it get WORSE then 3. what a bunch of lazy motherfuckers fuck this game.

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Fuck it, ASW should just make every fighting game from now on.

>>379948267
>>379949718
Just look at how atrocious the "Darkstalkers Are Not Dead" teaser looked. They got absolutely everything wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_skngJlTDg

>>379943004
You're forgetting something important: Nobody gives a fuck about Marvel vs Capcom outside the US. Dragonball has fans all over the world, and people who watch anime are more likely to be fighting game fans than people who read comcis.

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>>379937535
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBI0MU73nlc

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>>379950124
>ASW Variable Geo

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So gorgeous (even if slightly less quality than Xrd)

>>379950221
This. It does not even matter that Marvel movies are fucking king and they made a mega corporation with Disney. I know about 5 people that see every single Super hero movie when it comes out, especially Marvel ones, who have never played a Marvel fighting game in their lives. Fans of something like DBZ are much more likely to try a well budgeted / quality product out of curiosity than cape shitters.

>>379949736
dragonball was a classic and everyone knows that, but the more well versed people always say DBZ is a rip off of hokuto no ken and shits on the bad pacing

>>379950260
>>379950557
Something seems off about the colours, everything is too bright/washed out. I think Super suffers from this problem to a extent as well.

>>379948267
>>379949718
>>379950193
I might be the only person on planet Earth who actually likes Capcom's 3D models and it frustrates me so much that I can't get over my apparent shit taste.

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arksys makes far better fighting games than capcom
its nothing new

>>379950124
so... he died and they pretend nothing happen

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>>379932269
>weeb shounenshit
>BTFOing anyone

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>>379950857
It's bright to stand out from the background. It's missing the new lighting engine from Rev that mostly fixes this, but it's not as bad as in Super.

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Can I roman cancel a Kamehameha?

>>379950221>>379950631


see the post i made >>379950028

theres plenty of xenoverse and pesudo fighting games to satisfy the dragonball fans, and fighting games overall only matter in japan, korea, and the US anyways. marvel was the hypest game at evo during its prime purely due to its US reputation and players, not even the global success of sf4 could match the marvel hype

i am not saying mvci can survive on purely that hype because it looks like legitimate shit, but i dont feel like a dbz fighting is as game changing as people might think

Is ASW gonna be the Platinum Games of fighters now?

>Just license this [insert franchise here] to Platinum/ASW

>>379950857
It's the shitty blur and bloom effect that every modern anime have.

>>379950193
I wouldn't judge that trailer by shaky, blurry camera footage.
>tfw they confirmed that they'll never put a clean version of that trailer online

>>379951424
>>379951027
French Bread > ASW

>>379951607
No, I'm not talking about quality, I'm talking about being the developer that people shout their names of whenever there's a discussion of "Hey, which developer should make a game based on this franchise?"

>>379951607
UNIEL is good but Melty is bland

>>379951824
CC2 and now ASW are the two studios for anime fighters.
But sadly, CC2 has done too much Naruto games, ASB was fucking grea except for the 30fps.

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>>379936772
>Superman is the only superhero that exists

>>379950028
I think you're conflating "anime" styled fights (Blazblue, GG, Uniel) with actual "anime". The FGC LOVE anime like DB, One Piece, One Punch Man, Jo Jo. It's the aesthetic of anime games that put off western FGC players. The West would go crazy for another high quality JoJo fighter.

>>379934603
For one how about giving you a complete game instead of one filled with DLC (Disc Locked Content)?

>>379951304
I disagree with you. First of all, the Marvel aspect didn't play that big of a role in carrying the game. It was the crazy gameplay that did because it satisfied the FGC who played it for years. If it was just the Marvel aspect, other Marvel games should be just as popular, as should DC fighting games. DC fighting games sell well since it attracts the casuals with the comic aspects, but the games die within a year because the gameplay is just the same NRS stuff that most FGC players don't care about. It's also why the characters Marvel players like are pretty different than what Marvel readers like. Marvel players love Sentinel because he was so important to Marvel's scene even tough it's just a generic mook. I've known multiple Marvel players who didn't even know there were multiple Sentinels, literally all they know about the "character" is his presence in MvC. Second, saying a "pure" fighting game won't make a difference seems ignorant to me. Those previous pseudo-fighting games had no appeal to FGC players, but that doesn't mean those players won't pick up DBF. I've already seen multiple top Japanese players expressing their hype on twitter and keep in mind it's monday morning over there. Lastly, saying it won't be played because it's anime or it's ArcSys is just wrong. DBZ is within that range of "cool anime" like Cowboy Bebop and shit that tons of non-anime fans watched and enjoyed while they were young. As for the gameplay, Marvel games are just as crazy as ArcSys game, you can't just categorize Street fighter and Marvel as "Capcom games", they play completely differently.

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>we lived to see both DBZ and Pokemon get full fledged, big budget competitively viable fighting game entries instead of just casual tie ins

When did reality go so right?

>>379950028

Ding ding! You are correct!

Capcom has a built in fanbase stretching from the 90s, add in Marvel fans and Capcom still has a chance of making bank.

>>379950028
>making shit up

I recall them saying they weren't going to milk the shit out of MvC3 when it first came out and here we are. Don't believe their lies. Hell they barely even supported the base game, we got what, Jill and Shuma Gorath?

F

>>379953019
Pokken isn't really a pure fighting game.

>>379934293
DBZ is owned by namco bandai and they, unlike arcsys, are actually somewhat capable when it comes to support of a competitive scene. I don't think they would hire arcsys if all people to do it if they did not want to invest into esports.

>>379951580
It looks just like the SF4 teaser, a complete ugly mess.

>>379932269
i need to see both games gameplay to give opinion, also dbzf is not coming till 2018

EVO 2018 line-up I want:

SFV
MvCI
T7
DBFZ
KoFXIV
IJ2
GGXrdR2
BBCF
Dissidia

EVO 2018 line-up I'll get:

SFV
MvCI
T7
DBFZ
Dissidia
Melee
Smash 4
ARMS
Pokken DX

>>379953379
It really is. The 2d phase is pretty much just a traditional 2d fighter, and that's where most of the gameplay takes place. The 3d stuff is really more of a specific mechanic that exists on top of the 2d gameplay, rather then the 3d being an instrinic part of the expierence.

Namely, it exists both as a sort of infinite prevention system, it adds depth in regards to having an extra mechnical trait in the amount of phase shift points any given attack adds to a combo, as well as adding onto the fundemntals of advantage/disadvantage and, if you are playing on an oval shaped stage, giving you the chance to dictate the size of the stage midmatch depending on where you insitgate a phase shift.

>>379953019
Pokken came too late. I wanted it back in 2000.

>>379936772
(You)

Don't spend it all in one place.

>>379953612
And SF4 itself didn't look much like that teaser.

>>379953797
The 3D phase is really unnecessary. Did they take it out of DX version?

>>379948895
To be fair, Vegeta and Goku would sooner fight over who gets to take them all on than work together.

>>379954017
I'm sure they could have built a pokemon fighting game without the phase, but with how Pokken is designed I don't think simply removing it from the current gameplay would work well, and I think it's interesting.

>Did they take it out of DX version?
Nope

>>379952310
>ASB was fucking grea except for the 30fps.

I was hoping we would get a proper follow up on next gen with a more competent fighting game crew brought on board and run it at 60 FPS. I play with a few friends from time to time but ASB was just a few adjustments here and there from being a legit good fighter to play.

>>379953797
It has no low or overhead and no crossups. They make it work but it's not the same.

>>379954328
Then the DX version isn't worth buying at all, the 3D phase is fucking terribly thought out. It plays like ass, it's a time waster and anyone who likes it has to be fucking retarded.

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>>379934603
PUT ACTUAL EFFORT INTO MAKING A GOOD GAME

STOP WITH ESPORTS SHIT
STOP WITH APPEALING TO BROADER AUDIENCES

IT DIDN'T WORK WITH SFV, IN FACT IT FUCKING KILLED IT

WHY WOULD IT WORK AGAIN
HOW FUCKING INCOMPETENT ARE YOU ONO

DID YOU SEE SFV FAILURE AND WENT "WHY THIS DIDN'T WORKED BECAUSE SOME MINOR THINGS I'M SURE IT WILL WORK THIS TIME"

AAAAAAAA

>>379951868
My friend.

>>379953668
>dissidia being in
wat
rev 2 will definitely be in, I'd say it's more likely to be in than DBFZ
also,
>wanting injustice 2

>>379950857
looks gorgeous bro, c'mon

>>379954909
I only put Injustice 2 there as a filler to make it 9 games.

>>379953668
>Dissidia
>in Evo
You fucking wish

>>379954672

The big thing is the FGC will still chimp out and demand to be catered too. Go look at the SC6 thread and count how many times someone screams CASUAL

I hate to say it but maybe the genre needs to fucking die again just so people will start to realize what went wrong and what they used to have

>>379953668
Naw m8, here's what you're actually getting
>SFV
>MvCI
>T7
>GGXR2
>SSBM
>SSBU
>IJ2
>KoF14/Pokken
>DBFZ

>>379954458
Both of those things are incorrect.

It has a height system, it just works differently: http://www.pokkenarena.com/forums/topic/277-pokk%C3%A9n-height-invincibility-interactions/

As far as crossups, Pokken has them, but it's not as much of a thing as it is in other fighting games, admittedly. It's still enough of a thing that you need to be mindful of it, and that it happens every few matches, though

>>379936772
>Aksys DBZ looks better than Injustice.

Not that hard m8. Dong Dong Never Die is practically better than Injustice 2.

>>379954276
>who gets to take them all
If Hyperion, Thor and/or the Sentry are in Marvel's roster, there won't be any taking going on.

>>379955045
It does, could use some colour work 's all.

>>379954672
Weren't most of the casual audience/reviewers whinging over the lack of single player content? I could see how they would think everything would be hunky dory if they fixed that.

>>379954458
>It has no low or overhead

that's fucking wrong though

>>379954672
IMHO I think removing assists is fine for infinite since they have the stone things, although it seems the space stone seems to be the best one right now who knows tho
I kinda agree with combofiend's explanation for removing the assists because from what I saw only certain assists seemed viable in UMvC3 allowing for only a certain playstyle when using assists
Casuals would find the stones easier to understand compared to having assists since the stones are very straight-forward and you'd have to look at what each assist did to choose your favorite
I've only played a bit of MvC2 and UMvC3 compared to SF and GG so i might have the shit opinion

> https://twitter.com/Harada_TEKKEN/status/874087186064228352
kek

>>379952994
the "pure fighting game" argument was just to state that it won't be bringing in tons of new casual fighting players. obviously Japanese anime fighting game players will be hyped by another ASW game, but to the mass market, especially the west theres enough DBZ games that it wont make a big difference

the gameplay being crazy is also debatable considering theres plenty of crazy over the top fighters that died over the years with a similar formula like mahvel. theres shit like snk vs capcom, tatsunoko vs capcom, all that stuff. but the only one to last was marvel, you honestly can't pretend like the marvel+capcom brand mash up didnt sell the games tremendously from a marketing stand point.

the only reason i tried to differentiate the gameplay of ASW games from capcom games or even marvel is because ASW games have an insane amount of mechanics that not even marvel reaches and it just plays too differently, i honestly cant imagine a marvel player picking up an ASW game and go "oh yeah this is like marvel but better"

>>379933018
im only seeing some supers where is the actual fighting gameplay.

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>>379955965
>Harada's Twitter background is Iori
What did he mean by this

Capcoms not worried, they know their fanboys will cling to their ass cheeks to the end

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Should I even hope for him to be in the game?

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>>379955850
>I could see how they would think everything would be hunky dory if they fixed that.

Business is about trust. You can't sell someone a shit product and then expect everything to be peaches if you fix it later. You don't get credit for fixing a mistake you never should have made.

The only precedent this sets is them thinking they can get away with repeat offenses. Release it broke and fix it later.

>>379956276
He loves her

>>379950260
this actually looks A LOT LESS QUALITY than i tought.

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Between this and Hyper Dragon Ball Z, Dragon Ball is getting some really good-looking games. I hope they add some Dragon Ball characters, but that's probably a long shot.

>>379948895
marvel has too many reality benders for brute force fighters like goku and vegeta to beat

>>379956287
It would be a hugely missed opportunity to not include fusions for a game where you fight in teams of 3

>>379956287
The fact that we only see Goku go SSJ3 makes me think that God/Blue will be a different character, but it really depends on if there sticking with canon or not, i see Gogeta as being in there though

>>379955542
Fuck i hate smash

>>379933018
shut the fuck up you plebian max is the shit.

>>379955528
Catering to the fgc is simply making a good non dumbed down as fuck game.
That's fucking it, that makes people play it.

Everything in sfv feels like a flowchart because of how it was designed, no depth, no options, no different combos, just the same shit over and over with a focus on rushdown.
Changing your game to fit with the casual crowd NEVER fucking works out and SFV is the prime example of that, specially when capcom was calling it a fighting game for people that don't play fighting games.
>>379955850
And netcode with shitty servers.
Even if somehow manage to have working shit, the only people that actually use their "service" which is trying to cash in on the stuff big games like dota, overwatch, hearthstone and league do, is the FGC.
No one else is gonna constantly buy all the costumes, characters, stages, new revisions of the game, etc.

See the fgc flocking to tekken and how it's a top seller because of the good release and the word of mouth it's getting around the fgc.

>>379954672
i mean, smash brothers became the top fighting game through sheer autism of the fanbase, anything can happen

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>>379956581
The autism of Smashers will keep Nintendo in Evo until the sun burns out
Better get used to tourney venues smelling like sweat and shit, boi

>>379956593
>GUYYYYYYYYYYYS HYPE LAMO
>HYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYPE DOG HYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYPE
>WOWOWOWOWO YELLING HYPE YES
You have to be either underage or extremely retarded to fall for this character he does and actually be entertained by it
Not to mention the actual max person is a piece of shit, but you wouldn't know that because you don't know shit about fighting games, you just watch his LE HYYYPE videos

>>379956887
Fuck they shouldsend them to a containment zone

>>379955850
people fail to realize that the lack of content was the main issue. in the grand scheme, no one but autistic FGC care about shit like delayed frames or homogenized characters or dumbed down gameplay, people who buy games care about content, just look at injustice, it sells itself purely with the single player story mode and fancy cinematics with a well known cast

>>379932574
Why would they? GG and this new DB's animation looks like janky shit.

>>379950857
>>379950557

If only the backgrounds could match the quality of the models

>>379956548
that sounds like some broken shit that wont fly in competitive play

>>379936914
You are right that they did it on purpose, but they're incompetent for other reasons

>>379956428
I hope the makes of Hyper DBZ dont just abandon ship now cause of this game. It was a legit great game. Also if the end roster of both those games look like this, I'd be very happy.

>>379956887
Smash / FGC Apartheid when?????

>>379932269
>Marvel
Dropped
>Capcom
Not looking back

I gotta be honest here. The DBZ fighter looked a lot more interesting than MvCI, my only exposure to DBZ was the 3 Budokai games on the PS2. God that shit was so fun.

>>379948895
Hilarious enough, about half way in, they'd both start tiring put just as the unexpected big guns come out, & that's due to Marvel's ludicrous amount of Heroes.

Who /mrpopo/ main here

>>379953536
I can tell you namco bandai does not give a flying fuck about esports. Espically not FGC esports where there is no real return investment

>>379946456
Delusion the post the feel the experience

>>379958580
Insider said Bandai Namco is producing this with esports and EVO in mind.

>>379957484
I hope they keep making those characters. I've been looking into it for a while now. I really hope that image I posted comes to fruition.

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>>379950557
Dat cell

>>379948895
after god power bullshit i totally think these guys are nothing to goku and vegeta.
fuck dragon ball is back jesus christ HOW

>>379958415
Only if they don't censor his lips

>>379957405

If; player has 2/3 characters at low health, then; fusion is not possible.

If; player has 2/2 characters at low health; then fusion is possible.

Fusion is canon.

>>379933018
Thanks for sharing, anon.

>>379959148
They don't and haven't since the early manga scans. People have more or less accepted him as he is.
btw I'm black

>>379959308
Is this in some other game I'm not aware of?

>>379958796
>implying any game made with esports in mind has ever had any staying power

>>379939724
>My boi Tao pai pai should be in it along with devilman, mummy, Nam and Jackie chun.
anon no, i love those guys but is not going to happen.

expect 3 gokus as usual, and thats without counting goku black.

the game is going to be good at least.

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>>379956287
They won't put 3 fusions characters and between all of them, I will say that Gotenks and Vegeto (with Blue Install) are going to be in. Gogeta is my favorite like a lot of people, so I think they will add him at some point, but not in the base roster. Also, I hope he is the only character than can go into SSJ4, one of the greatest design in the series.

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I hope Mercenary Tao is in this game

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>>379946272
>Jack Kirby drawings and having zero MCU influences.

have faith.
these are dark times but im sure marvel and capcom will get over it.

the industry is starting to feel like is actually going somewhere again, not today, but have faith.

>>379947445
Hsien a cute

I've never liked the 2D DBZ fighting games.

>>379959451

Not that I am aware of, too.

Im just speculating

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the only thing I'm hopping for, is that ssj versions of the characters are not separated slots, that just plain dumb.

>>379960850
the characters powered up in the trailer so I doubt it. I really hope we get Kid Goku btw, he'd be really interesting to see his playstyle.

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>>379960683
This would be a cool mechanic similar to using an IK, but I'm not sure how I feel about characters who never fused doing it. I'm more hype for particular team supers based on your team like this.

>>379960147
He's a must imo also devilman and jackie chun and roshi sharing a slot. Might even get Nam or the red ribbon robot guy.

Even though this announcement kills P5A, it's still nice to see something to compete with mvci garbage

>>379960850
>golden frieza shows when every character was doing their specials
>SSG/SSB are not

im sorry anon.

>>379932269
They literally lost all of South America, Eastern Europe, Africa, Asia and Oceania.
Who the fuck cares about Captain Marvel when we can play a real DBZ fighting game? Only fairweather nerd americucks who don't even know any Marvel characters not in the movies.

>>379932269
RIP in piss Crapcom.

>>379934603
They can't. Just scrap this crap.

>>379955542
Replace melee with Pokken DX, Keep KOF in, and that'd actually be a pretty good lineup

>>379963016
>Asia
Marvelshit is super popular there right now because of the MCU

>>379962558
>P5A

You can't kill something that doesn't exist

>>379948763
I expect like 20-25 characters and a fuckton of transformations

I honestly can't tell if it's 3v3 like Marvel or like Gundam Versus.

>>379963402
Nobody plays KoF. Despite all the shit Pokken gets, at least their players show up.

>>379964574
they way they showed it looked like marvel where its assists and swapping

>>379964717
That would be perfect. NOTHING kills the online faster than requiring more than 2 players for a fight.

>>379933946

I need to see full gameplay of MvCI not a clip show.

The only way that game will get my attention is if it's actually got a stellar combo system, the gems are fun, and it's not completely absorbed in being a vehicle for the MCU.

But every day that passes, I become less optimistic. Listening to the soundtrack puts me to sleep. Even the actual MCU has a more memorable score.

>>379950028
>western FGC hates anime
that is the point
Dragon ball is not anime , is THE ANIME
This game will be more popular than KOF Mexico tier
Every , EVERY FUCKING ONE will be playing this game by 2018.
Mvs C has no fucking chance

>>379963686
P5A BY 8ING.

BELIEVE.

DBZ is perhaps the most popular anime worldwide

Crapcom is done for

>>379966824
>perhaps

There's no perhaps. It IS the most anime worldwide.

>>379966824
step aside capeshit fags, shonen is back.

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>Capcom got blacked
It was inevitable

>>379967192
onepiece is bigger, I think

>>379967639
>Saving NTR
End your life.

>>379967639

>Trudeau chin

was this intentional?

>>379955528
i don't see anybody complaining about tekken 7.except for the fact we wish they released it earlier
please let the adults talk

Here’s the MVC:I leaked roster:

Capcom

Arthur
Chris
Chun-Li
Dante
Firebrand
Jedah
Mega Man X
Monster Hunter
Morrigan
Nemesis
Ryu
Spencer
Strider Hiryu

Marvel

Ant-Man
Captain America
Captain Marvel
Doctor Strange
Gamora
Hawkeye
Hulk
Iron Man
Nova
Rocket/Groot
Spider-Man
Thanos
Thor
Ultron

>capcom is done for

>>379951027
anime games are not fighting games

>>379932269
fucking dragon ball is gonna be awesome better than xenoverse hopefully

>>379967791
Fuck no it isn't.
It doesn't even come close

>>379953668
>Sweet Dreams Tier
SFV
T7
DBFZ
KoFXIV
IJ2
KI
GGXrdR2
BBCF
Vampire Savior
>Shit Reality Tier
SFV
MvC!
T7
Melee
Smash 4
IJ2
ARMS
Pokken DX
MKXL

>>379965301
dude no. fighters are niche if. why do the other db games die if it's "the anime". casuals will drop off quickly.

>>379956428
Yamcha and Nappa
Wasted slots.

>>379965034
>stellar combo system
It has auto-combos.

>>379971860
yamcha is great, shut your whore mouth.

>>379972516
doesn't gg bb, kof and persona have.

>>379969337
It is, just as China is the greatest nation on earth.

>>379973956
Persona has an autocombo system but they're not optimal and you get taxed with life if you perform them.

>>379973956
>gg
>bb
maybe in stylish, but nobody uses that

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>>379951607
>>379951868
I'm counting the days

>>379967791
You have to pile the fans of One Piece, Naruto and FMA to come close to Saint Seiya. And SS is only half as popular as DBZ.

DBZ was a cultural phenomenon. Pokemon gets close but only because it has two distinct industries supporting it.

>>379969337
I wouldn't be surprised if One Piece actually has more fans even if DBZ is obviously more popular worldwide. Just cause of how enormously popular it is in Japan. I don't think we have an american equivalent to something as popular as One Piece. It's like 10x more popular than Harry potter is in america in japan.

>>379973956
MvCI's auto combo system doesn't have damage penalties like those other games do.
You'll do exactly the same damage if you press MP, LP, LP, LP, LP, LP, LP as the guy making up his own links.

>>379975727
so? it's not like they're gonna be optimal combos. just basic combos no one will use.

>>379968237

>No Frank West
Fucking dropped

>>379975261
Probably the best anime fighter I've played, coming from SF4 and tekken. Easier to get into than GG/BlazBlue, but with enough depth to stay interesting.

I just hated how Orie's 5C would whiff at the absolute worst ranges

>>379948895
>He doesn't know what the living tribunal is

>>379946272
>Jack Kirby style game never ever
The MCU is a tumor

>>379976797
discourages people from trying harder stuff to get better combos and makes it bland for them.
autocombo has a penalty -> "well I'm getting my ass kicked online because of this penalty, time to learn a real combo"
autocombo doesn't -> "this game is boring, I can mash one button to win most of the time. And it looks like people are also doing the same thing."

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>>379977671
Looks like way too much of a high. At least she's got 4 other kicks.

>>379950557
that looks fresh , best game for e3 so far.

>>379975727
>MvCI's auto combo system doesn't have damage penalties like those other games do.
Wait, which auto combo system does that?

>Want to have a proper One Piece fighting game
>Can't because ever since Thriller Bark, Oda makes tons of FUCKHUGE characters that will bring hitbox issues when adapted into a fighting game

Fucking hell.

>>379981625
If Pokken can manage if i'm sure one piece can.

>>379979141
what you're saying is idiotic. you ass can still get kicked with mvci auto combos and you can still kick ass with the other auto combos that have penalties. lets not forget casuals losing is more than likely going to make them drop the game.

Let's be real here. All these FGC personalities are going to drop DBF in a couple of weeks because MvCI will have a pro tour and pay their bills.

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>>379946456
>>379950028
Casual DBZfags actually like the mediocrity of Tenkaichi/raging ass/Xenophiliaverse over a traditional fighters with a dbz flavor.

All they care about is being able to fly around in 3d and knocking that guy into the horizon and thru 4 mountains and finishing it up with (colored energy beam/ball of choice). They're gonna play this for a week, see that they're stuck in 2d and deem this as a down grade just like they did burst limit.

>>379942929
mvc2 was probably on the same engine as the other games. i think mvc3 was used mt framework while mvci is probably using unreal.

what are the sales for xenoverse 2?

>>379983864
if it's really a good fighter, then it should be carried by the FGC though

>>379978436
Living tribunal got nerfed to weak shit status now. And it only goes after magical dudes.

Is Capcom gonna be OK, like seriously

>>379985128
but the fgc only care about capcom games and tekken? everyone says to get gg or kof14 because sfv sucks yet there are more players in sfv than than any other game minus tekken.

>>379936480
Xrd also has delay netcode

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>>379981625
It's completely possible, and already been done by Arc

>>379985470
yes. people will hate on sfv but still play it, every though most people don't have a chance at winning that cpt money despite how "random" the game is.

>>379985604
GG BB. and KoF still hang in there though

Will this be active on PC?

Most PC fighting games die hard but this is DBZ. Will that be enough to save it?

>>379986671
depends on how big the game is desu.

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The Age of Marvel is over. The Time of Dragon Ball has come.

>>379986416
yes but with the about of people complaining you'd think it would be much bigger.

>>379986671
yes

>>379986082
The FGC are a bunch of fucking children (35+yo children, but children nonetheless). If what they really wanted was a competitive fighting game experience they had BB, Guilty Gear, Killer Instinct and KoF. But what they want is to play Street Fighter no mater how shitty Capcom makes it because that's what they played to get away from reality when they were actual kids.

It looks amazing but 3v3 is too hard

>>379988829
MVCI is 2 vs 2

>>379988829
It's fun, not hard.

>>379982783
every competitive person starts as a casual. this is just one example; a casual isn't going to progress knowing that they can get away with button mashing. a penalty discourages autocombos

MvCI is going to sell horribly just like SFV isn't it?

>>379933946
xenoverse sold

Maybe Capcom will outsource TvC2 to ASW after this.

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>>379935914

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>>379937535

>>379988547
People are attracted to money and being a big name. I enter xrd tourneys and get my ass beat but I meet a lot of good people and I've improved just by going. Don't give the entire FGC a bad name because of capcom dickriders, the other games do get their time but capcom pumping money and TOs following suit keep other people from experiencing actually good fighting games. SF4 did a lot for the scene and people still stick around for SF5 because they aren't used to other fighting games

>>379990060
So, any of you guys going to E3 and playing this?

>>379989708
>Maybe Capcom will outsource Darkstalkers 4 to ASW after this.

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>>379990914
beta test late summer

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>>379989708
Maybe Capcom will outsource all their fighting games to ASW after this.

>>379989197
okay so you are an idiot. you saying like it's absolute fact that casuals will drop the game due to the lack of penalties for auto combos.

you can get away with mashing one button with the auto combos that have penalties though it's just a little harder but it's still definitely possible.
>a penalty discourages auto combos
ye but when a casual sees someone doing longer more optimal combos then what? the fgc always says execution isn't that important because what's the point of learning a combo if you can't land the hit.

auto combos not being optimal discourages auto combos. i doubt casual will even know anyway.

out of all the wrong things that will make mvci fail auto combos isn't one of them.

>>379990254
but 90% of those people don't have a chance of winning.

Anyone else learning guilty gear right now?

>>379992856
i dunno, something tells me they'll play nothing alike

>people saying "Capcom games" when they mean "Street Fighter and Marvel"

>>379992856
>Not already playing gods gift
Fun game is fuun

>>379993684
True, P4A had some similar mechanics but play a bit differently to GG/BB since it had persona assists and other mechanics

>>379996001
other mechanics like universal DPS and autocombos*

>>379995348
yes those are capcom games. my point was that any game that has capcom on would get a lot of players regardless of how good or bad the game is.

>>379992856
umvc3

So do all the characters have command teleports or are those just their dashes? Do you guys think it costs meter to teleport? The teleports in the trailer look way too busted to be free.

>>379997287
dat Cellbow

>>379995348
What other fighters has capcom made in the last 5 years?

>>379997287
Not accurate enough, no smug smile.

>SFIV
>TvC
>MvC3
>SFxT

>SFV
>MvCI
>TvC2?
>TxSF?

Man, I really hope Capcom would revive Rival Schools and/or Darkstalkers.

>>379991224
I think that's only for PS4 and Xbone. Shame because I have a PS4 but don't pay for online.

>>380000440
Can't be smug when your attack missed

>>380000440
It's there I think, it's just terrible low res quality, look close

>>379950557
need to have less polygons since you will be seeing up to 6 characters at the same time

>>379957308
to be fair it looks like the backgrounds are going to be destructible.

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You guys think Capcom will delay MvCi after this or keep going with their plans..

>>379956957
Okay, without the green text retardation, explain to me how he's a piece of shit.