$499

I would say yes but it's always nice to invest in a PC because you can do so much more than just game on it.

>>379931768
WOW. shows how bitch made you are. Lmao go get a dell fag.

>>379930874
Yes except it wont really do 4k and that price doesnt include windows 10. We'll see how well xbox one x actually does with 4k. Getting 4k 60 on a pc is still a pricey venture so we'll see.

>>379930874
Prices are bad right now and its a bit difficult to do a complete point by point response to the XboneX's SOC with its 8 core / 8 thread CPU and integrated graphics.

Still I think that its not that difficult to hit the mark that it sets, and it will be even easier to top its 8 thread jaguar / second gen GCN SOC setup once the Ryzen / Vega SOCs launch into the general market later this year.

Any true 4k ready GPU will cost more than that alone

>>379930874
Does xbox have any games yet?

>>379930874
To meet the tech specs? It'd be difficult but comparable. Will it play 4k@60fps? Probably not.

Games on the console will be optimized for its hardware. It's harder to optimize for a platform that doesn't have static hardware.

>>379930874
Rx580 costs like 200 bucks. You can't unless you have modern office PC lying around, upgrade the PSU and put the RX580 in it.

>>379930874
Pentium G4560, 8GBs of RAM and a GTX 1060/RX 480. Generic mobo and case of whatever form factor you want it, a trusty PSU, a HDD/SSD/Both of your choice and you're ready to go.

I find it utterly ridiculous that they are pushing for 4k before pushing for constant 60fps

>>379934002
Windows 10 doesn't cost a cent. You only need to pay if you want cosmetic customization features.

Get a 580, and a ryzen card, that would be like 500 alone but drop 300-400 more for the RAM/case/hard drive/psu/mobo and you'll have a PC that would shit all over a scorpio. PC gaming isn't cheap but it's worth it if you care about performance and graphics and the ability to upgrade whenever you feel like it.

>>379935068
You're very wrong, 1070 can run 4k, shit a 1060 can run some games at 4K too

>>379930874
>499$
>Doesn't even run mspaint
It's shit

>>379935375
They really aren't optimized for the hardware much more than PC games are. They just run optimized settings. Shit textures, shit AA, shit AF, shit lighting effects, etc.

can i turn off depth of field and motion blur on the xbone x though?

>>379935635
anything used from ebay for 300 plus a 580 would blow the shit out of this piece of crap

A 1070 shits all over the X

I'm looking to build a PC for 500 dollars anyone can help?
included case,liquid cooling, windows 10, gpu with tv out capable of native 4k, CPU ,mobo ram, sound card,harddrive, 4k blurry player and about the same performance.

>>379936542
Nope, 580 is old and inefficient already

>>379936796
nice bait

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>>379930874
>"""""4k"'''''''/30fps
>console
fucking kek I cannot wait for crowbat to make a video on the failures that this console will bring

>>379930874
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TByfZ8

This is probably as close as you can get to the individual bullet points.
The CPU is able to handle the same number of threads, but has significantly higher single thread performance and is a discrete component with many resources not available to the CPU cores in the Xbox SOC.
The GPU offers about the same level of performance, and has a similar amount of memory bandwidth dedicated to the graphics (Xbox one X dedicates a significant portion to Windows 10 S and other system requirements), but is several generations newer making an exact comparison difficult especially considering the Xbox is only capable of using the restricted DirectX console API and has no access to Vulkan.

A build that ignores things like the 8 thread requirement would probably manage to deliver similar performance for less.
The upcoming single CCX Ryzen + Vega SOC chips should basically be the general markets answer to the Scorpio SOC.

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>>379936601
>gpu with tv out

Nope. I remember the same discussions when the PS4 was released. You couldn't get the same performance out of an equal cost PC.
This makes sense because economies of scale and that console manufacturers don't have to make profits off individual components.
A year later and the PS4 was btfo.

We don't know yet. He only said 60 FPS for Forza and we don't know what settings or anything it was at compared to what it would be in the PC version. There's not a lot going on in racing games. It did admittedly look good though.

>>379936601
case 20 bucks
liquid cooling 50
win10 free
gpu 250
cpu, mobo, ram, hd, bluerayplayer 200

I went 20 dollars over, I guess XBONX WINS AGAIN!

>>379930874
Wait to see just how 'well' this amazing waste of money actually runs. Ignoring the fact it has nogames it'll likely run at 5fps on a good day. Not even every game is confirmed to run at 4k, fragmented shitty, incompatible library.

>>379930874
Can you buy an Xbox One X that allows you to install software and do anything but playing games (and watching movies)?

>>379930874
HERE
COMES
THE
DAMAGE
CONTROL

>>379936916
4K60FPS on some games like Forza.

>>379936015
it's a good marketing strategy

>>379937203
it's called an app store and yes, you can also watch TV on it.
Pc losers lost, admit it.

>>379930874
right now I don't think you can. Maybe by the time this launches. But the perks of PC wouldn't ever have me going back console for anything but exclusives and we all know they have none.

>>379937404
So is naming your "next" system xbox one x instead of xbox one s.

Marketing geniuses that learned from nintendo.

>>379937203
I have my computer for that, what's your point?

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someone post a legit build

>>379937974
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TByfZ8

>>379936601
>TV out
You know what, maybe you should stick with consoles. I don't think PC gaming is right for you.

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>>379930874

>>379934002
>Implying I am a big enough cuck to use Windows.

Linux master race reporting in.

Here is the thing with Console VS PC: Many times the visuals, draw distance, and effects are toned down for consoles, so on average a console will run most games to the equivalent of Medium settings for most games (depending on the port).

Question is, how many Xbox One games are going to support True 4K at 60 FPS? We know Forza 7 will, but how many titles will use checkerboard or upscale from another resolution to achieve that? I suspect that most titles on the Xbox One X will probably fall more into the "Upscaled 4K trying to achieve 30 FPS" way of doing things, especially with multiplayer focused titles.

With that said, yes, you can build a PC for that price and get 4K at around 30 FPS with settings at medium/high, which is what you will most likely get with the Xbox One X.

One thing I am hoping is we will get a lot more 1080p/60 FPS options that the PS4 Pro lacks, or at least more options from the developers to customize framerate and the Xbox One X being able to handle it.

>>379936346
This. It's x86 architecture under the hood, which has been used for years.

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>>379930874
I've build a $700 rig and resold is $500. I don't have spend extra HDDs + case and cooling, I could build a Ryzen+Volta build just by adding $200 so that's $700 in total, 80%-70% of it's value will be retained when I sell it after 2 years. You can't do that on a $499 console that only has a mobile APU while spending XBL fees every year and a hard $60 on every new game. You're retail store will laugh at you. I could probably sell XboneX+10 games for $300 after 2 years but I still would lose money on the XBL and hard $60 for every game. Consoles in general have shit resell value

>>379938126
Xbox X is an OC rx480, nice try goy

>>379938338

>>379938558
I didn't make it, replace the 480 with a 580.

XBONEX IS GOING TO SOUND LIKE A FUCKING JET ENGINE. NO VENTS.

RED RING IS BACK BABY

>>379930874

Most likely not for a year or two.

The components of the console alone are much more expensive to produce than a GTX 1080 for example since it uses more silicon on the same process node and more of the same memory chips and in addition to that has bluray drive, HDD and a power supply. Microsoft is most likely selling it at a loss but then again NVIDIA could most likely sell GTX 1080s for $250 and still turn profit on them but they are too fucking jewish because there is no competition.

I'd personally still go with PC because if you have an existing PC with decent quad core CPU the $500 is better spent on a 1070 or 1080 because the retards at Microsoft went with the old Jaguar CPU which is pretty much going to prevent 60fps titles.

>>379934002
the few games that itl run at 4k 60fps will be easy as fuck to run at 4k 60fps on PC

but it still wont be worth upgrading to windows 10

>>379936015
makes the big box stores happy because they can move more TVs, good move for them honestly

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>>379938338
You've got to admit that what Valve have managed to do with their backing of Vulkan (an API made for the PC instead of a console) and the RadV driver (free of AMD's official driver teams incompetence) has been really impressive.

The best part is the Linux exclusive Vulkan version of Mad Max isn't even fully optimized yet, and the RadeonSI OpenGL support is already much better than the official AMD OpenGL driver.

>>379935802
>Dual core Pentium in the year of our lord 2017
look, if you don't understand computers just buy an xbox

when is vega coming?

>>379938983
This console SOC is still just Jaguar CPU cores with second gen GCN integrated graphics. Ryzen+Vega SOC parts are due later this year.

Unlike in the past AMD have even discussed the possibility of a high-end SOC with onboard HBM which while it would probably be more expensive than a typical SOC would likely still cost less than the traditional discrete CPU and GPU found in most gaming PCs today.

>>379939981
like 1 month

>>379939841
>Underestimating i3s in 2017
I'd say (You) should leave.

>>379940603
When Intel finally is forced to make the i3 a 4 core / 8 thread part to compete with the low end Ryzen chips the wailing and gnashing of teeth will be glorious, but it will finally mean that the PC's forced irrelevance because of the whims of monopolies will be over.

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>>379937402
>some

>>379940231

I don't see how a 300mm^2+ chip, interposer, HBM stack, main RAM, motherboard, PSU, case, hardrive etc. could be sold for $499 this year.

You can probably build something similar, but consoles will always be a bit cheaper since they order parts in bulk. They being said a PC is a better long term investment.

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one thing i dont get is the library of games per pc and console. Moving up to a new console can either be non-backwards compatible or require you to constantly pay for the new system and rebuy the games at the new "remastered" full price. When it comes to PC however you could spend the same price tag updating your system as well as keep everything in your old library, mod support on most games will also remake old games to make them look like new. EXCLUDING EXCLUSIVES BY THE WAY. As well as 'oh its the same system but now with 4k!!!'
>Tl;Dr upgrading consoles seems more waste of money than upgrading pcs.

>>379936946

Except the comparable GPU would be a 480, not a 470.

>>379941373
>300mm^2+ chip

The Scorpio uses older and less efficient hardware designs.

Its not like there's anything magical about it being a 'console' we know AMD can produce reasonably priced gaming SOC hardware because they're already doing it albeit with outdated designs.

>interposer, HBM stack, main RAM, motherboard, PSU, case, hardrive etc. could be sold for $499 this year.

Well the Scorpio omits the HBM to just use shared memory so that's an obvious place to save money. There's also the possibility that with enough HBM the system could be made to just use it which would make the SOC cost more, but would save complexity in the build and another discrete component.

>>379936020
How do you get it for free legally? When i look its $99

>>379942632
If you do the math the IGP in the SOC is very similar on paper to the 470 right down to the amount of memory and bandwidth available for graphics. Though to be fair the 470/570 are just barely cut down versions of the 480/580.
Though obviously the IGP is still second-gen GCN and lacking many of the improvements from the last few years.

>>379942784
Just pirate it nigger why would you pay for it?

>>379942784
You'd pay for a key, the ISO is located at Microsoft's page and you can get it for free.

In any case though..
>Paying for Windows on 2017

>>379942784
Windows 10 S, which is practically what the Scorpio uses will be available for $0. Microsoft plans to make money off of it through advertising and sales of UWP software through the Windows Store which is all 10 S will be capable of running.

GNU/Linux distros are also $0, don't include advertising software, and have far more games available through Steam than are available to 10 S through the Windows Store.

>>379930874
Short answer: NO.

>>379942784
You download the ISO from Microsoft and install it. Both Pro and Home versions can be installed and used for an unlimited period of time without CD key and without activation, I'm not sure about more advanced versions.

Windows 10 DOES NOT REQUIRE CD key or activation.

This would be more or less a PC that can game in 4K with respectable frame rates.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QvkTgL

>>379944503

>$1100

KYS

>>379930874
>Let's say you already have a 4k TV and a mouse/keyboard.
why? the xbone x doesn't come with a fucking 4k tv either, and a 4k tv or 4k monitor are very different things

>>379944579
Go suck microdick
You probably will be when your feeble hardware pulls 15 fps

>>379944829

Forza already confirmed 4k 60fps you gabecuck.

FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS

4K BLURAY

AMAZING FORM FACTOR

>>379942046
MS is ditching the whole console generation idea, plus Backwards Compat. for the last 2 generations will be on the One X soon.

>>379945183
I'll believe it when I see it
4k 60fps at $500 is a load of fucking shit and you know it

>>379944503
That build isn't well optimized for 2160p or gaming in general going forward.
If you're going to spend $200+ on a CPU today you really want at least 6 cores / 12 threads, being permanently locked to 4 threads isn't a good option today.
Plus the CPU bottleneck on performance doesn't scale up linearly as resolution increases so for 2160p gaming your GPU is more important.

>>379944312
i didnt know this, does it ask you to pay or anything regularly?

>>379930874

You absolutely can't because they're running on a the razor-razorblade business model. You're paying $€£20 extra for every game you buy.

>>379945502
>at least 6 cores
Games don't even use 4 cores, the whole "you need AMD's cores or an i7" thing is a myth. You never need more than an i5 for vidya

>>379945854
No, it just doesn't allow you to set your desktop wallpaper or customize visual appearance.
You get the same advertisements you get from paid version of Windows.

>>379946029
>Games don't even use 4 cores
Already false today, even more false going forward as more games switch to using modern graphics APIs.

Plus even if that's true you'll be better off running the game restricted to a single 6 thread CCX with the second CCX dedicated to the system and any other tasks you might have your system performing than facing the problems caused by using a neutered CPU only capable of handling half the threads supported even by the low end chips in a last-gen console.

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>>379930874

>consoles get more powerful
>games get more expansive
>many of these games will eventually come to PC
>where I can play them at 1440p @ 165Hz

I won't get an Xbox One X, but I will reap the benefits it will have on the industry because its hardware is stronger than Xbox One and PS4/PS4 Pro. Not all titles released on it will be exclusive.

Does playstation have anything to compete?

I like how the emphasized on UHD BD to rub it in.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/user/rswosylus/saved/#view=YxmvK8
Building my first PC. Nothing crazy. Budget is at $1,200. How does this look?
I'm using a 1080p 60hz Benq TN 24" monitor.

I don't want to go too crazy with a gaming PC in fear I won't use it often enough to justify spending over $1,500. Did I choose good parts?

>>379930874
The next console will be called the

Xbox One X One = One Xbox

SCREENCAP THIS

>>379947043
Xbone
XXbone
next system will be the XXXbone

its clear the xbone x is a massive fucking failure and microshit should get get out of vidya in the next year or so

sony won boys nintendo will be a sony third party and microshit is done for. maybe valve will come in still i am so happy everyone is saying microshit shit the bed and failed today