Franchises with no bad games

>>379840230
DQ has the shittiest combat and worst OST in JRPG's

>>379840428
SMT1 was pure garbage

the elder scrolls

>>379840545
You are pure garbage and have the shittiest combat and worst OST in JRPGS

Dragon Quest IX was pretty lackluster.

DQ1 is pretty bad, it's literally just a glorified mobile game RPG.

For the time it was good so I guess it still counts.

>>379840230
>>379840428
>>379840925
All correct.

Final Fantasy
Breath of Fire

soulsborne games
>inb4 ds2 was bad lmao
You're dumb.

Kirby

>>379840925
Skyrim was garbage on multiple levels. So is the MMO.

>>379840230
Did you mean: no good game?
Or perhaps you didn't post the right pic.
Eitherway, I urge you to correct your huge mistake!

>>379841282
>Final Fantasy
11 through 15.

>Breath of Fire
Dragon Quarter.

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>>379841282
>FF
>II, VIII, IX, the entire XIII saga and XV exist

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>>379840230

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>>379841048
I get more bitches and money than you so who's really winning here?

>>379841132
Mobile RPGs are like a glorified DQ1 more like. It's pretty solid for the first ever JRPG of its kind and short enough for you to do multiple runs trying different methods to challenge yourself.

>>379841456
>Dragon Quarter.
What's that? All four BoF games are good.

>>379841460
>II, VIII, IX, the entire XIII saga and XV exist
>bad
Just because a game isn't 10/10 doesn't mean it's bad.

>>379841460
>IX

Almost perfect taste anon, so close

mario, all platforming mario

worst it got was meh, none were outright bad

>>379841557
Atleast I'm not a dumb frogposter

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>>379841456
Dragon Quarter was an excellent game, just not a great Breath of Fire, count it as a spinoff.

Also I hope the guy who created Breath of Fire 6 have cancer and die with a lot of pain.

>>379840230
Kirby
Kingdom Hearts

>>379841557
>Frogposters
>gaining anything of value
The only thing you're getting is a bullet to your head. Check my 5.

Pikmin

>>379841815
>kingdom hearts
Dream drop distance, that's a stupid name for a game too.

>>379840545
>worst OST
How can anyone dislike Sugiyama's Bach-inspired music?

GTA

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>>379841627
Ignoring it doesn't mean it doesn't exist, anon.

>>379842007
This

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I'm actually surprised the series survived that long on multiple consoles and generations without turning into shit like all the other 6 gorillion 3D platformers.

Even if we inculde spin offs All4One and Qforce weren't even that bad, just subpar compared to the rest.

>>379840545
>SMT1 was pure garbage
You have literal shit taste

Dragon Quest has no bad games because it's a series that pratically doesn't innovate. Everything in it feels pretty generic and made to appeal to nostalgic people.

I personally don't like this approach, the combat feels simple in every game, the story is comfy and nice but it feels incomplete, the characters also feels underdeveloped, the exploration, although not bad, could be better, the dungeons are pretty bland and the bosses are extremely easy even if you're underleveled. And they simply don't fix those things and keep doing the exactly same mistakes every game.

I'm not saying every DQ is bad, but saying it's a series without problems or bad things is wrong. btw, played trough 4~9, heroes I & II and Builders.

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Spinoffs don't count you say?

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>>379841456
>ffxi
>bad
Fuck you, I'm actually triggered.

FFXI is easily the best FF to date

>>379840230
but all dragon quest games are fucking bland as hell

>>379840428
Fire Emblem x Shin Megami Tensei
>>379840230
Dragon Quest: Heroes 2
>>379840925
All of them.
>>379841815
>Kirby
Almost all of them.
>>379841860
All of them.

>>379842157
>4~9
Dude you really need to play III. Imo the best DQ. Forget the characters, its all about the adventure.

>>379842157
>eh dungeons
7 had some of the best I've seen in a jrpg

>>379840230
DQ2 is pretty bad at parts

Dragon Quest's good streak ended with putting 9 on a handheld.

>>379842007
Tell me this garbage https://youtu.be/kkZu8xj3lvs

Is as good as thishttps://youtu.be/BCuOjfyUHnA

You NEVER see people talk about the trashy DQ OST shit is tales tier

>>379842463
>Fire Emblem x Shin Megami Tensei
Is a good game

>>379842414
FF11 is an MMO, which automatically makes it bad.

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>>379842675
So you've never played it.

Got it

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>>379841456
>completely ignoring FF12
The music atmosphere and Balthier is what kept me going through 100%ing the game. Good fucking lord.

>>379842617
Only for gameplay. Everything else about it is GARBAGE.

>>379842575
Not him but are you trying to say one is worse than the other? Because both are good.

>>379840230
>Spinoffs don't count ofc
Monsters Joker was pretty good but fuck grinding forever. Rocket Slime was true god tier.

>>379840230
8 is grindy and bad.

>>379842575
>as good as
The genres are completely different. DQ is all about that classical and traditional feel which the ost complements perfectly.
While I agree that some battle themes are OK at best, it has other great tracks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPApORVBSns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtTMAwagkeQ
And the more mellow ones are something else
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMyk4znJDr0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqCJqVZcpxU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3QFiTAkrg0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkiU0GpadvQ
And much more. I really don't understand how someone can dislike this ost.

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>>379842675
FF11 is the closest relative to FF3 and 5. Fuck off.

>>379843171
that's every dq though

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Even the worst games in Kirby are enjoyable.

>>379842463
>Spinoffs don't count

Max payne

No, Max payne 3 wasnt a bad game.

All the mainline Zelda games rank from decent to great. Even Skyward Sword is decent

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perfection

>>379843234
>about that classical and traditional feel which the ost complements perfectly.

Yeah and are boring as fuck.

Ys tracks do the classical feel far far better

>>379841456
>talking shit about 11
Confirmed friendless fedora.

Rayman
I guess BK if nuts n bolts is a spinoff.

>>379842463
That's some abysmal taste you got there.

>>379840545
Worst poster on this board right now.

>>379844139
No, Skyward Sword is not decent. Its problems start to appear on the fucking first hour of the game, where you do absolutely nothing and it holds your hand all the way trough, the they introduce the HUB map which is bland and has shitty exploration (it's literally worst than Wind Waker's ocean), then they show the other maps, which are just huge puzzles, they do all that while throwing cutscenes and cutscenes at the player telling a stupid story at best. Then there are the dungeons, which are designed nice and have a different themes than the common ones in the series, but that still keeps the simple and straightfoward puzzles that the other games also had and even then it still holds your hand all the way through. Skyward Sword is a 5/10 AT BEST.

>>379841815
>kingdom Disney paid us a lot of money because kids are into chinese stuff now
Hooh, put em in the trash.

>>379844629
are you saying KH1 and 2 are bad games?

>>379844764
I'm saying they're all bad games.
Learn to read.

>>379842575
Apples to oranges, you knobhead. Also the second one is shit

>>379844287
>2
>12
>13
>15

>>379844764
The Kingdom Hearts where you use cards to fight is terrible.

>>379844346
>if it's not the best it sucks
Obv there's gonna be better classical soundtracks
I agree that ys is some good shit tho

>>379844912
oh you're just acting retarded

>>379845269
Dude don't be an autist, KH is gay as fuck and shit just on principle of being the lamest concept ever.

>>379845484
Kingdom Hearts' extra bosses are much harder than any boss in any Souls game.

And if you play in Hard/Critical/Proud mode, then the game is just insane. GTFO casual shit.

>>379845269
>WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

>>379845728
>Yeah well it's better than Souls gaymz!!!

Children, ladies and gentelmen.

>>379845484
oh shit he called it gay, better back off

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>>379843593
Came here to post this. Good job my nigga

>>379843008
I wasn't ignoring FF12, it's shit.

>The music atmosphere and Balthier
All of those things were fucking garbage.

>>379845919
What's your point exactly? Are you trying to say KH is a bad game? That it's an easy game? Because the fact that it is made for children is pretty obvious, but that's doesn't mean an adult can't enjoy it and feel challenged by its difficulty.

>>379844583
the peaks of skyward are pure ludo. shit taste.

>>379842565
Worth it for multi-player.

>>379842808
Why would I play MMO trash?

>>379843257
That's nice, it's still an MMO.

>>379840230
Bayonetta.

>>379840230
Fire Emblem

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>>379846084
>this much shit taste
I'm sorry, I thought you weren't an idiot.

>>379840230
Pokemon
Inazuma Eleven
Seiken Densetsu
Etrian Oddeysey
Persona

>>379843171
>grinding in 8

Maybe for the optional endgame.

>>379846263
>Liking a game that can literally be set up to play itself
>Liking an "RPG" with a shit story, shit characters, and shit gameplay
Here I was thinking you couldn't possibly be retarded, yet here we are.

>>379843990
This is correct.

Civilization

>>379841795
Sauce!

>>379846248
>Gaiden
>Shadow Dragon
>Shadows of Valentia

>>379846248
Hahahahahahaha

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>>379846342
>Inazuma Eleven
this right here

>>379846139
I already said it was a bad game. Keep up, autismotron.

>>379841456
11 is easily one of the best.

>>379846434
Echoes is actually fucking good

Tho i'd agree on Shadow Dragon being mediocre

>>379846434
>completely ignoring Shitwakening and Fates
>1 not being mentioned when SD is just a visual rehaul of it
Newfags disgust me.

>>379840230
Touhou Project

Fangames dont count

>>379846484
Mein Neger

Mario Golf. Fuck your rules.

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>Spinoffs don't count
Thank god.

>>379840230
Valkyria Chronicles


Revolution is a mediocre spinoff

Mario

>>379840230
Call of Duty
Fifa
Madden

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Even bad ones like TP and SS are better than most other Zelda like games.

>>379844287
>2
Why do people dislike Final Fantasy 2? I get that the stat mechanics are weird, but I don't think that'd be enough for people to say it's one of the worst games in the series

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>tfw no Age o Empires 4 ever

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>>379840545
>SMT1 was pure garbage
Your right, to an extent. /v/ won't call it out for its problems because they have too much of a hard on for MegaTen.

The game has a ridiculous encounter rate, to the point of always being over leveled, most environments are dull and exploration is monotonous, and about every fight can be quickly solved with brain dead auto-combat. I mean, everything else is pretty cool: music, weapon variety, recruitable enemies, alignments and demon alignments. But all the problems I listed are too big of an issue and just make it a miserable experience.
SMT2 isn't much of an improvement.

>>379842575
War Cry is fucking amazing (at least the symphonic version. The original is horrible).

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Mario

>>379840230
Pokemon

>>379847853
It is one of the worst in the series.
Minwu wasn't enough to save it.

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This game will never get a spiritual successor.

>>379847853
The dungeons are also really bad.

>>379840230
7 is bad
Job grinding is painful
Ended the game with Hero as an automaton and Aira as a Monster Masher, was going for Platking and Hero but decided it wasn't worth it. Melvin ended as a Jester but I dropped him for Maribel anyways, mostly because fuck job grinding, Maribel's already a druid.
Wasted 70 hours of my life desu

>>379846794
Nuts n Bolts was better than Tooie

>>379846248
1, 2, 8, 10, 14R, and 15 are all garbage.

>>379846248
FE sucks period.

Jet Set Radio

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They aren't just "not bad", they're perfect

>>379840230
>the most boring generic turn-based gameplay and can't even be half assed to add anything to actually make it play differently

>>379848704
>died before anyone could shit on it
This is the way games should be made.

>>379848565
I agree. Tooie was only fun in Witchy World and the factory level. Everything else was a chore.

>>379846248
1, 2, 3, 6, 11, 12, 13, 14B, 14R, and 15 are all garbage

>>379847510
>Zelda II

>>379846406
>set up to play itself
You have to constantly change gambits or you get fucked. Using the same gambits constantly against bosses is begging to be fucked.
>shit story
The writer broke down and quit more than halfway into it. There was supposed to be more polish into it but a lot of stuff got cut. It got so bad they made him the superboss of the game as a fuck you.
>shit characters
Implying Balthier and Basch are shit.
>shit gameplay
Explain, unless you're still talking about the Gambits shit.

I just refuted all your points. Care to counter back or were you just baiting for responses the whole time like I'm thinking you were?

>>379848941
Great game that's rough around the edges in some areas.

>>379840428
SMT 2, 3, and 4 are garbage.

>>379848941
It's not bad just has issues here and there. Like with Dragon Quest 2. It's completely playable but developers were still new at it.

>>379849006
>calling Nocturne and IV garbage
>not liking 2 for the story and characters and atmosphere
You've never played a single SMT have you, you contrarian cunt?

>>379849132
I've probably played more SMT than you have. Mostly in the hopes that they wise up and start fixing their own garbage system. Seriously, how the fuck do they keep getting away with the most objectively worst way to deal with turn-based battle, the press turn system?

The only good SMT games made are SMT 1, Raidou, Persona 3-5, and Jack Bros.

>>379848621
15 is better than 13

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>>379848357
A man of taste I see

>>379848524
>Maribel as a druid
Is this your first dq? Offensive spell casters in Dragon quest are fucking awful

>>379849307
>press turn is bad
How?
I'm still curious as to your logic behind this, otherwise I'd dismiss your arguement as instantly worthless because you used "objectively" in it.
I can't fault you for liking Raidou and Jack Bros, and Personas 3 to 5 are good too, but why like SMT 1 but hate SMT 2? Doesn't seem to make much sense, so can you explain that too?

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>>379848653

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>>379848148
>tfw it would be shit anyway

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>>379848565
Ebin meme, retard

>>379841101
it was pretty much the definition of "decent enough"

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Max Payne
>mfw someone says the 3rd one was shit
Y'all can go die.

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All of them, and none at the same time. A game being 'good' or 'bad' is an entirely subjective matter after all, if you're a free thinking person and not part of the nu/v/ hivemind.

>>379849487
Maribel is only good as a druid
Sucks at everything else
Although maybe sage would be better for healing

>>379849828
fuck off

>>379849326
13 is a mediocre Frankenstein's monster of a game that at a bare minimum has a ton of replay value while 15 is a downgrade from the game its a remake of with trash gameplay, trash balance changes, trash characters, and the worst replay value in the entire series next to gaiden. The game literally was carried on Berkut and Fernand's good voice acting.

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>>379840230
Project Diva

>>379848984
>You have to constantly change gambits or you get fucked. Using the same gambits constantly against bosses is begging to be fucked.
Not true. All you need are "attack nearest enemy" and "heal if less than X% HP." That will get you through the whole game unless you're a masochist and really want to do those trash hunting missions.

>The writer broke down and quit more than halfway into it.
No excuse. Game should have been canceled.

>Implying Balthier and Basch are shit.
They are, and Balthier was one of the worst since he's an attention-whoring faggot.

>Explain, unless you're still talking about the Gambits shit.
Being able to move is pointless when you can get hit by melee attacks from feet away. The usage of the ATB system in a game where you can move around during combat means that the only thing that separates it from playing like an MMO is the lack of multiplayer and the lack of online. ATB is a global cooldown. What's worse is that the MMO combat is forced on you via a controller instead of a mouse and keyboard, so there are far fewer inputs to work with. That makes the whole thing cumbersome.

>I just refuted all your points.
You didn't refute shit.

Dark Souls and no, 1 and 3 weren't bad games

>>379849567
Press-turn takes the Rocket-tag problem and puts extra emphasis on it instead of taking it away. It's entirely possible in any of the press turn games you can just die for literally no reason in a random encounter that you've defeated dozens of times before just because they got a lucky crit, or they spammed your weaknesses during a surprise round, killing you before you even have a chance to run away. When that DOESN'T happen, you'll do the same thing to the enemy.

Where is the challenge in an enemy comboing you to death? What do you learn about the system other than "Change my weakness for this section"? What do you learn about yourself when the enemy gets two criticals and that's enough to make sure you die before you hit turn one on your side?

Also, about SMT 1, to be frank, I gave it a large pass simply because I realized how old the game was and was more forgiving of it's structure due to respect for age. SMT 2 got the full brunt of my opinion because they should have started to realize problems with the system and made more efforts and attempts to fix them.

>>379850021
t.awakeningbabby

>>379840230
Even including spin offs Dragon Quest has no bad games

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The Witcher games

>>379840230
Neptunia

>>379850102
2 was though

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>>379850282
But it said franchises with no bad games, not franchises made up of bad games.

>>379850173
I've played every game in the series and I don't even like awakening

>>379840230
Come on... only DQ VII, VIII and IX are worth playing. The rest is pretty much shit, maybe V is passable, but that's about it.

>>379840230

S.T.A.L.K.E.R

Poker night at the inventory

Grand Theft Auto

>>379850761
III is better than all of those

>>379850786
The gameboy GTA's exist

>>379850078
>All you need are "attack nearest enemy" and "heal if less than X% HP." That will get you through the whole game
Most bosses have explicit attack patterns or statuses that you can't simply power through without buffs or a strategy.
>unless you're a masochist and really want to do those trash hunting missions
Which get you good exp items loot and money, not to mention clan rank points for the gamebreaking shit like Niho.
>No excuse. Game should have been canceled
That's bullshit.
>Balthier was one of the worst since he's an attention-whoring faggot
That's what makes him good compared to the rest.
>you can get hit by melee attacks from feet away
How? Enemies have to get in melee range for them to melee hit you. Moving around works because you can simply run from the enemy until your ATB fills, then move back towards them to get the attack off.
The MMO argument has been done before.
>the MMO combat is forced on you via a controller instead of a mouse and keyboard, so there are far fewer inputs to work with. That makes the whole thing cumbersome
This is the only legitimate argument you have made so far that isn't dumb shitflinging or complaining that something is garbage. You're just being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian.

>>379850849
which is pretty good

>>379846427
you dont want it

>>379850936
is GTA Advance really good?

>>379850945
Please, I do.

>>379851003
I played it a lot as a kid, so I can't remember that much about the story and gameplay. But it is very similiar to gta 2, which was a great game tho. I would say that it's worth playing.

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>>379850761
plebeian

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>>379850136
Oh so you're talking about Press Turn inherently being shit because you get fucked over for it just as much as you fuck over the enemy with it? I would think that would make it much more of a fair system compared to other games that have you and only you benefit from it, turning entire games into repetitive curbstomps where you never get a single game over or loss in any way.
It'd say it has more of a mental factor than just a gameplay factor. Knowing that at any moment you can be wiped if you fuck up or if the enemy does just ONE little thing, makes random encounters more serious compared to those of other games. But your point about sudden game overs for no reason other than "the enemy ambushed you / got the first strike!" or random fucking crits, is still a good one - and SMT IV is a pretty fucking good example of this too.
Having enemies know to exploit your teams' weaknesses is arguably a good thing because they're coded to do the same thing that you do as the player. Otherwise you're right on your whole post. I guess in the end press turn is more subjective of a gameplay mechanic/system, but that's how a lot of things are in video games.

>>379850882
>Most bosses have explicit attack patterns or statuses that you can't simply power through without buffs or a strategy.
Add "cast Protect" and "cast Shell" and you'll get through them just fine. Since the game is playing itself for you, it's also leveling up for you.

>Which get you good exp items loot and money
A shame that you need a license to equip something as simple as a hat.

>That's bullshit.
Matsuno wasted Square Enix's time and money, the game didn't deserve to see the light of day and in any sane world it should have ended his career.

>That's what makes him good compared to the rest.
No it fucking does not. Balthier is a one-trick pony. "HEY GUYS DID YOU HEAR THAT I'M THE LEADING MAN? BECAUSE I'M THE LEADING MAN. DID I MENTION I WAS THE LEADING MAN?" Vaan was less annoying.

>Enemies have to get in melee range for them to melee hit you.
Yes, and moving out of the way prior to a melee attack activating is pointless since the game will make you get hit by that melee attack anyway. You were in melee range when the enemy chose to attack you, which means that you're going to get hit by a melee attack even if you're out of melee range when it activates. The enemy's character model doesn't even have to come into contact with you for you to get hit by a melee attack.

>The MMO argument has been done before.
Yes, because it's an accurate argument and you cannot refute it. That's like saying "the cape argument has been done before" regarding someone calling Super Mario World out for its cape being completely fucking broken.

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>>379846342
>Seiken Densetsu
>Etrian Odyssey

>>379842137
Quest for booty was actually bad though

>>379840230
Patapon

>>379842115
Probably correct actually

>>379845728
>edgy, spiky final fantasy shit is okay
>mixing it with lighthearted disneycharacters makes it bad

The final fantasy characters (the original characters fucking count 'cause thei're just like ff) and final fantasy tier story is what makes the game cringy. Disney does it a huge favor

I bet you refuse to see pixar movies with your sister because you're afraid of being childish lmao

>>379845728
>>379845484
Replied to the wrong post

>>379851572
>Oh so you're talking about Press Turn inherently being shit because you get fucked over for it just as much as you fuck over the enemy with it?
The problem isn't that it "fucks you over", the problem is that it makes the game have absolutely no middle ground between two extreme outcomes. When the game isn't "fucking me over", it's a goddamn cake walk because as I said in the post you responded to, I do the same thing to the enemy. Which makes combat uninteresting

>I would think that would make it much more of a fair system compared to other games that have you and only you benefit from it, turning entire games into repetitive curbstomps where you never get a single game over or loss in any way.
In other games, enemies get things to compensate for it. Is this a good practice? No, not in particular. But is it fair? Sure. It winds up being equivalent in the end. At the very least, it's more fair then say running into an enemy who casts a death-all spell against the party and gets lucky and wins. That isn't fair to anyone.

>Knowing that at any moment you can be wiped if you fuck up or if the enemy does just ONE little thing, makes random encounters more serious compared to those of other games.
The only type of mentality that encourages is the art of the quick save.

>Having enemies know to exploit your teams' weaknesses is arguably a good thing because they're coded to do the same thing that you do as the player.
Except they don't go through the process of discovery that the player goes through. Instead, they know your weakness, and if they have that spell, they will spam it on that character for no reason with no explanation, giving all of their friends ample turns.

The whole system is a mess. There's not a single decent thing about it.

>>379840545
Look at how these (you)s

>>379850786
I've only played Call of Pripyat but STALKER is great

>>379841548
Munch's Oddysee was pretty shit honestly

>>379854101
Look at how they what?

Gears of War

>>379841682
>lucas not sobbing while holding the remains of his relatives
dropped

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>>379840230

>>379850065
X and the first game exists unfortunately.

>>379854758

Dark Dawn exists anon.

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>>379840230
PiNoFfS dOn'T cOuNt oFc

>>379843008
>Only for gameplay. Everything else about it is GARBAGE.
So... it's a good game?

>>379853130
It wasn' t an actual game, though.

>somebody actually said Breath of Fire when BoFVI exists

advance wars

>>379855585
Oh jesus no.

>>379845728
>Kingdom Hearts' extra bosses are much harder than any boss in any Souls game.

No ... just, no. Play any of the souls games before you let your '90ism leak out.

>And if you play in Hard/Critical/Proud mode, then the game is just insane. GTFO casual shit.

Only maybe the first 5 levels are "hard". After leveling up, any Kindom Hearts becomes a cakewalk.

>>379850065
Not a game.

>>379856714
epic

>>379855524
Shh. No it doesn't. ;~;