It's time to discuss the best RPG ever

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>>379801537
>mfw I never finished it
I should really get around to finishing the series

>>379801537

I friend and I have invested +300 hours doing hardcore runs on max difficulty.

Houserule: no berserker allowed in any way.

>>379801976
Core game or mods? I've seen footage of Stratagems and Tactics at the same time and it looks like an absolute bitch to deal with. I have enough trouble with Stratagems to feel accomplished after fights.

>>379802187

Core game. We're using the shitty Beamdog remaster out of convenience.

>>379801537
Remember

NO TALKING ABOUT FUCKING IMOEN

>>379801650
It gets easier towards the end. Irenicus is a pushover, if your party can defeat Drizzt and his butt friends you're set

I want to talk about Kensages

Smart optimizers or scum of the Earth?

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Okay.

>>379802187
>Try out Tactics mod
>All fights become a huge goddamn chore because enemies all have a stack of 5 scrolls for every defense and magic super spell triggers

Complete bullshit. After 1 run, I uninstalled everything except the new fights and the change to the final battle to make it more exciting.

The change it makes to that duerger in the first dungeon is just a joke parody of itself though and isn't to be taken seriously, even I'll admit to that.

>>379802187
Are any of these actually good or they just ramp the difficulty to stupid? I want to replay the entire saga up till ToB, fuck ToB

>>379802441
It's fun since magic is really fun and you can also kick butt in melee.
People sometimes get overly stuck in their ways though and don't try out other fun things.

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>>379802314
>mfw jaheira was my waifu as a 13 year old

>>379802643
That's cute, anon.
None of them really appealed to me though, perhaps because they were whiny, bitchy or otherwise had some personality flaws that put me off. I just romanced them out of weird completionism.

>never finished BG2 on release
>tried to finish it recently but can't because ToEE spoiled me on combat system
>can't finish ToEE either because everything other than the combat is shit
I guess I'll just keep playing NetHack...

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>>379802441
Kensorcs are fun!
Shame you can't multiclass Sorcerer. Being a Kensorcsorc would be great.

>>379802632
I'm having a blast with stratagems, just make sure you don't fight any dragons or liches until you're decently leveled.

>>379802632
I never played tactics because it looked like a heavy-handed take on improved difficulty that stratagems does better, and >>379802524 seems to verify that
For stratagems: If you coasted through the games on low AC and Thac0 and never learned your shit, you'll get destroyed in the first room of the Nashkel mines. The biggest change is that mages who have reason to expect someone will be attacking get all their buffs pre-applied, like you would do before attacking them. No lucky hitting a guy before he puts up stoneskin to take him out of the equation, and if you get cheeky and try a backstab before the script fires they'll try and detect invis on you (which makes non-detection a useful spell or cloak)

I fucking love it, I don't think I could go back to the old AI at this point.

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>>379802314
HEYA

IT'S ME, BEST BROTHER

>>379802441
Meme class for solo runs

>>379801650
this
never played it as a kid, picked up bg1 about 3 years ago and enjoyed it a lot, went straight into bg2, but got majorly burnt out of the whole thing (particularly the setting/overall motivation) around the time I entered the underdark
and now that I've forgotten exactly what I was doing/what all my items were/etc., my autism demands that I restart the whole series with a new character

In your humble opinion what do you think is the best weapon in BG2 SOA?
Carsomyr?
Crom Faeyr?
Flail of Ages?
Celestial Fury?
Impaler?
Some other weapon I haven't named?
My vote is for the FoA, that slow effect is indispensable

>>379802314
Is that a thing?

>>379803143
I never really learned to breeze through the games, I sort of cheesed everything with my Starcraft acquired APM, D&D bullshit makes no sense to me and spells are confusing. Is there like a comprehensive guide to this madness?

>>379803259
Crom Faeyr since Carsomyr requires a paladin and you can stick CF in your offhand and benefit from 25 strength.

>>379802836

I actually really liked that human element of them, none are obscenely perfect waifu jerkbait, except Aerie(sp) to some degree.

>>379803143
Fighting sarevok with stratagems was fun, I ended up kiting him around the bhaal sigil for minutes while I took out his generals. One thing bad about it is mages in BG2 become tedious after awhile, every other mage shooting off a spell deflect, immunity abjuration, and invisi with stoneskin is not fun at all.

>>379803259

Silver Blade.

I love using it to one-shot every dragon in the game.

>>379803483
>Carsomyr requires a paladin
>Not using it as a Kenstheif

>>379803259
Carsomyr if you have old cuck Keldorn, Equalizer for GW

>>379803636
the mages are easy to counter in both stratagems and tactics, you just have to have dispel and breach or any of the other means of making a mage fight simple.

>>379803464
Short answer no, long answer you can read every spell scroll to learn what they do, especially important for anti-magic shields and shield removers. My first playthrough if a magic shield went up I'd leave the area and rest so the mage lost the protection, but that is so unfeasible with stratagems that you need to learn your spells. Generally though, breach is the one you need the most.

>>379803259
Dual wielding CF and FoA as a dualclasses berserker cleric.

>>379803493

Aerie was so insufferably whiny though. Yeah I get she has some trauma over losing her wings, but I've been hunted my whole fucking life because I'm the spawn of the god of FUCKING MURDER and you don't hear me whining about it!

>>379803259
>BG2 SOA
>>379803663
learn to read

>>379803887
Learn to read.
Carsomyr backstabs are best backstabs.

>>379803887
>learn to read

Not him, but I don't get why you're so upset. Thief epic lets him use any item in the game.

>>379801537
why doesn't anyone talk about dark alliance?

>>379803985
he mentioned SOA not TOB, you can't gain abilities without TOB

>>379804089
Can still use ToB abilities in SoA section however.

>>379803776
Yea I know how to fight a mage, just saying having to pierce shield and breach on every other mage is not fun especially when there are multiple mages who each throw a different contingency.

>>379804193
yes but if you are only mentioning SOA you can't bring up "lol carsomyr has no downside because muh epic thief"

>>379804204
That's the issue with any tactical or strategy mod. By the time you're going through SoA it makes mage fights a huge goddamn chore.
Not harder once you get the hang of it, just a chore.

>>379804305
Final Irenicus fight with tactics is a chore. The mage fights are nothing by comparison.

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Who has the best personal quest and why is it Anomen?

>>379804414
I just had stratagems, how much different was tactics?

>>379804293
I certainly can. Your diction was ambiguous. You didn't say ONLY SoA with no ToB, just SoA. Since the enhancements from ToB apply backwards to SoA and they are generally packed together it can be expected you would have both.
You didn't say what you thought you said. Use more clear and precise language next time.
I will say it again: Kenstheif Carsomyr Backstabs with Kai are great fun.

>>379804568
>Your diction was ambiguous
I didn't ask the question but he specified SoA and named only weapons from SoA. Again, learn to read.

>>379803464
Generally speaking when it comes to magic, attack spells aren't very good.

Important spells to look for would include
Simulacrum (have your clone use hotbar scrolls and wands)
Summon Planetar
Timestop
Improved alacrity
Horrid wilting (only worthwhile damage spell)
Removal spells (Breach, warding whip, etc)
Magic resistance reduction (This is usually why people can't hurt dragons)
Contingency and Spell sequencers
and most of the protection spells (Magical weapons, Spell imunity, shield).

learning the spells is the hard part, generally speaking you'll still want a tough boy to go in and actually do the damage once you've stripped the mob of its protections

As far as BG1 goes you can coast through the game with horror, spell trap, infravision and magic missiles

>>379804414
At least Final Irenicus is fun and interesting and challenging instead of just being scripted to have every buff instantly and a stack of scrolls.
Makes it feel more worthy of a Final Boss.
The meme Acid Kensmage tactics sends after you is funny though, because it forgot to have truesight. A staff of the magi will let you turn invisible and bop him until he dies ignobly.

>>379804564
Stratagems seems a bit more even handed and a general boost to difficulty by removing some obvious cheeses.

Tactics adds a lot in terms of harder bosses, forcing the hardest enemy spawns in all dungeons, stronger and smarter dragons, revamped Bhodi and Irenicus fights that are ridiculous etc.

Tactics only if you really know your shit and want a challenge.

>>379804680
SoA still lets you have Use Any Item though.

>>379804419
I've never done it because I find him too annoying to keep around.
Is it really that good?

>>379804730
>spell trap
Learning which abjuration dispels which protection is tedious but worthwhile when you finally purge all the liches from existence.

>>379805135
>spell trap
Dang ol type meant skull trap

>>379801537
BUT THIS ISN'T A NEVERWINTER NIGHTS 1 THREAD YOU RETARDED FAGGOT NWN1

>>379801537
Pokemon?

>>379804730
>attack spells aren't very good.
this is not really true but it has merits. However, by the time you can cast those high level spells you gotta know what damage spells are worthwhile.

Skulltrap has no damage die cap unlike fireball, so at 20 it can do 20die of damage.
Cone of Cold also can continually increase in damage without a ceiling.
Flame Arrow also can do stupid damage because it continues to scale as well.
There are others but not off the top of my head.

For clerics Holy Smite and Glyph of warding are similar.

>>379803464
http://www.sorcerers.net/Games/BG2/SpellsReference/Main.htm
The arcane and divine spells pages have a comprehensive list of which spells are worth taking at each level and what they do.

>>379804042
I used to play so much of that game with my friend back in the ps2 days, watching videos of it now it looks kinda shitty

>>379805409
I could never get into the crude 3d graphix that the game had, if it's truly the best rpg ever sell it to me friendo

>>379805783
I'm not him but it isn't that good. The multiplayer was what kept it alive but I doubt any of them are still alive.

>>379805409
The original NWN campaign is pretty mediocre compared to BG2 though.
Most of the good NWN stuff is player made content.

>>379805995
>>379806305
these
also some of the expansions are good
but overall it was only great because of multiplayer + toolset + mod support

>>379805995

The servers are shut down.

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>>379801537
With the wincest mod it is indeed the best game ever

>>379805783
>>379806305
>>379806542

i just replayed it 2 months ago singleplayer and i had a great time. sure it just isnt u guys?

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>>379801537
Why is ludacris in this game?

>>379801537
man, only like 6 companions are decent and not annoying faggots.

>>379803235
Almost the same here. Except that I remember the story pretty well, but if I'm going to start BG2, then I want to do it with my old BG1 character. But I don't have the BG1 save anymore and will never play through it again.

Why do I want my BG1 guy? Because it had 19 strength and 19 constitution(the other stats were more average) thanks to the manuals you find through the game.

>>379804730
> infravision

Why? I always thought it was the most useless spell in the game.

>>379807920
I just finished replaying the original campaign a few days ago.
The main questline consists of collecting 4 different things (potion ingredients) from 4 different areas that branch off from a hub town in chap 1. Then collecting more things (clues to where the baddies are this time) in 4 different areas branching off from a different hub town in chap 2. The collecting 3 more things (magic rocks this time) from 3 different areas branching off from a hub town for chapter 3. Then in chapter 4, things get exciting and you go and kill the big bad and then the big bad's boss.

It isn't an adventure as much as a neverending string of fetch quests. Despite that, I enjoyed it but BG2 is much better

>>379807915
Is that the girl from Buffy?

>>379805029
He goes through pretty turbulent arc and you get to decide where he becomes an asshole or a pure christian paladin

>>379809035
yeh.

>>379808924
pfffft BG2 has literally NO customisation next to NWN1. it;s not an RPG in the same way NWN1 is. u can argue its a fun hak n slash but thats it

>>379809181

Customization is meaningless if the core game is as bad as NWN1.

With multiplayer servers permanently gone, there's literally no reason to ever touch it again.

>>379809181
>muh customization
Nice to know that in anno domini 2017 retards still think RPG is about adorning trinkets on your character

>>379809410
>>379809456

oops triggered a couple of babbies

honestly i was thinking of a different game to BG2 but judging from ur reactino its just as shit as the game im thinking of and i wont drop the $20 on it for the stream enhanced version

babbbbies

>>379807920
it's fine, not bad at all. I enjoyed the hell out of it when I played it age 14 or whatever. but its main attractions were
>travelling around FR
>killing monsters with big flashy spells
>levelling up and optimizing your character
none of which are really interesting to people who've played D&D-based games or anything of the like before
the overall story in NWN1 was kind of dull, the whole thing was kind of linear, and the characters were utterly forgettable (other than cleavage elf and that black guy with a deep voice)

>>379809559
i bet ur one of those ppl who just run thru the game as quick as possible, there was a fair bit to take in with NWN1 considering its age, good attnetntion to detail

im gonna stream NWN1 singleplayer 1 day n ill post it on v ill teach u all how to have fun playing NWN1

>>379809556
>>379809742
Are you a passerby from reddit or just playing the tard card?

>>379810626
why cant i not be from reddit but also retarded u cuck?

>>379809742
nice try my dude, but I played through the OC several times while autistically completing every sidequest and reading basically every bit of lore
even nostalgia isn't strong enough to blind the fact that it was a pretty average campaign

>>379811156
yeah but the water graphics for NWN1 were really ahead of their timne you have to admit

>>379801976
>Houserule: no berserker allowed in any way

that's stupid
berserker is average at best compared to any fighter/mage

>>379810626
>reddit spacing
is there any fucking question?

>>379812554
Are you thinking of barbarian?

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>>379801537
I think you posted the wrong pic, friend.

>So fucking boring I can't even bother finishing the opening dungeon that drags on for fucking forever
>Mod to skip the opening dungeon doesn't even work
Baldur's Gate II sucks.

>>379802314
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImunFOi-Vbw

>>379812554

On a hardcore run, Berserker is literally unstoppable when paired in a multiclass. It literally breaks the game and defeats the purpose of doing a HC run.

>Berserker/Mage
>Berserker/Cleric
>Berserker/Cleric
>Berserker/Fighter
>Berserker/Thief
>Berserker/Druid

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Siege of Dragonspear was terrible.

>>379813336
You can't multiclass with a kit you dork.

>>379813336

"I meant dual class, sorry.

2nd Edition D&D was weird.

>>379812721
>DURRRRRRR U DONT PRESS ENTER THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT OF TIMES I DO IN THE SAME PLACES I DO U MUST BE FROM REDDIT

read that and ask yourself, whos the real retarD?

>>379807920
But he is right. Original NVN campaign was pretty mediocre compared to BG2, game was praised mostly for great mod support and online community.

>>379813478
See >>379813486

Beat me by 11 seconds.

>>379813570
i havent even played bg2 thought i did but was thinking of a different game

regardless will not concede BG2 is greater than NWN1 just based off the responses to my responses in this thread desu

>>379813580
and that 11 seconds was your downfall, now weep as all can see that you made a perilous error in incorrectly naming a confusing mechanic

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>>379813714

>>379813442

>Aerie
>Asexual
>But you can knock her up

On the other hand, Edwin's is accurate, kek.

>>379813442
I've been meaning to do a run of SoA+ToB with just Korgan in the party. Maybe with other melee dwarf. Two drunken and violent dwarfs breaking knees and skulls across Sword Coast.

>>379814452
There's no other dwarf in BG2 besides Korgan?

>>379814452
That sounds pretty cool. Just keep in mind that without a divine spellcaster in the party to cast healing spells, resting to get your health back can take weeks.

>>379814942
>resting to get your health back can take weeks.

Which means nothing in either BG1 or 2.

>>379813442
>only one normal character
>It's a dwarf
What did they mean by this?

>>379801537
The one with the worst portraits too

>>379815129
Not besides a handful of quests, but it feels weird from a roleplaying perspective to sleep in a dungeon for a month.

>>379815129
that's not actually true, in bg1 there are two timed quests
I don't know any off of the top of my head in 2 though.

>>379802632
Stratagems isn't even difficult once you adapt a bit, and then you'll never play with original AI again. Unlike Tactics it doesn't give retarded high HPs or level 8 spells to every enemy, it actually pretty much plays fair.

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>>379801537

God I want to fuck Mazzy.

>>379802493
I played BG1+2 recently, still have to get around to playing IWD1+2.

>>379815302
Many of the drow quests in the underdark have timers

>>379815302

I only played through BG1 once, and that was as a kid. I don't remember any, but I'll take your word for it

>>379815301

That's true, but I thought you were talking about an element of minmaxing and party optimisation.

I'm the fag that wasted hundreds of hours of my life grinding and theory crafting multiplayer hardcore runs; I know BG2 better than I know myself.

>>379815604
in bg1
there's a kid you have to revive within a set amount of time otherwise you fail and also you can get poisoned and have a few days to cure yourself otherwise gameover, which is brutal for people who don't realise this is a timed quest and don't make multiple saves

>>379815819
oh also a few companion quests,
such as killing the wyvern and killing the bandits for the ranger

>>379808549
You can always just use a save editor.