The ultimate question.

64 had the analog stick.

>>379792469
Luigi's Casino games were enough for DS to be the superior version for me.

>>379792694
God the minigames were so good

>>379792469
DS has Wario
case closed

>>379792716
Not even Mario Party minigames were as good. Present day Nintendo would sell probably sell the SM64DS minigames as a separate title for $40 now.

>>379792551
Fucking this. DS controls like shit.

>>379792469
You can't even travel to a parallel universe in SM64 DS

>>379792694
New Super Mario Bros had the same minigames.

64 for superior controls

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>>379793075
SM64 DS IS the parallel universe.

>>379792551
>>379793015
>not playing on a 3DS
This argument's moot since you don't have to exclusively use a d-pad anymore. Only the change in graphics is still valid for why the original is better, and that's more of a "I DON'T LIKE CHANGE" thing that the Majora's Mask remake complainers share.

>>379792469
DS no contest

>DS has shit controls
>the majority of the characters can't wall jump
>having to go in and out of levels to make sure you have the right character until you unlock them all
>extra arbitrary stars
>it's on a fucking DS

>>379792469
anyone saying the original is a contrarian of the worse kind. unless they enjoy mods or something. ds is a complete upgrade

>>379793352
Still doesn't make it true analog

I never minded having a dash button for the DS version, I felt like it controlled just fine. Also had more content, better graphics, more playable characters, and tons of awesome minigames.

>>379793352
Dont be stupid anon.

>>379792469
64 DS feels like a romhack.

>>379793167
Huh. I never knew. I only remember playing the local multiplayer vs mode. Now that was fun.

64 DS might be my favorite Mario game. Tons of content, four characters with different movesets, and all on the go.
If I got used to the D-pad controls when I was twelve, nobody has a goddamn excuse.

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>>379793505
>better graphics

Handheld VS console

Fucking what?

I don't understand the DS control complaints. It plays fine and certainly isn't shit without true analog.

>>379793772
It has better graphics?

Whats not to get. Some DS games look nice compared to n64

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>B-but it has more content!
More content isn't always a good thing if it's shit and gets in the way of the original's good content like pic related

64DS's new levels are pretty crap and splitting Mario's powers up between 4 characters to give you a reason to play as them was a bad idea.

>>379793772
For the screen size at the time, the DS version had cleaner graphics and better character models, which makes sense since they were eight years apart.

>muh analogue
>not realizing the game was designed around octo-gate

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>>379792469
Am I the only one who actually managed to use the touchscreen analog mode effectively? I 100%ed the game doing this and had a blast doing it.

>>379793352
Ur dumb.

>>379792469
64DS on 3DS>64>64DS on DS

The DS port was shit.
A cool idea lost on the wrong console and poorly implemented new content.
The new graphics also pale in comparison.
Better romhacks have been made and better ports if you count emulation.

>>379793227
DEEPEST LORE

>>379794283
Can you even sideflip like that? If you can't sideflip, it's not proper Mario 64.

>>379794817
>muh analog nub placebo that makes me forget it's hard coded 8 digital directions

>>379794283
I tried my hardest with the plastic thumb thing but gave up in the end and settled on the dpad controls, which worked alright but everyone who says they weren't a problem must have magic nippon fingers

>>379794954
I haven't played it in a long time, especially since I lost the cart on a vacation way back when, but I could do everything just fine from what I remember. I actually remember being pretty good at the game. Not speedrunner levels, o'course, but good enough to run through harder levels just for shits and giggles without much difficulty.

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>>379792469
DS has better polycon but bad taxture.
Nintendo desing to ues the plastic botton on the strap to input analog control but no one like it ever if very usefull

fucking STILL waiting on DK64 DS

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>>379795705
And it to be better if that time we have some one who made this thing.

>>379793352
>Mapping digital inputs to an analogue stick
>Adding unnecessary travel time to what would otherwise be instant
Are you retarded?

>>379792469
I prefer the original, it had better controls/movement/physics, more colorful areas and I prefer some of the older designs such as the Bubba (the killer Boss Bass fish) with shades for example and Mario actually does the victory hand pose as opposed to having a rock of a hand like he does in DS. That's not to say DS is bad by the way, it added some neat new areas, stars and characters, although I do dislike how abilities Mario had in the original are now divided to the other characters just to force them to have use when the original game clearly proves it's extremely unnecessary. I wish DS was like the beta showed off with it being all multiplayer, it probably would've been creative and different enough for it not to really need to be compared to the original so much. I hope someone makes a SM64DS64 rom hack (as in one that includes all the new from DS into the original) one day.

>>379792469
Anyone who says DS should kill themselves. Worst fucking remake of any Nintendo game. Should've waited until the 3DS.

>>379793474
>Worse graphics
>Worse controls
>complete upgrade

Whats not to like about the graphics for the remake?

DS wasnt that bad

>>379798213
A lot dislike the redesigns for enemies and the textures are not nearly as colorful (this one bothers me the most). It only really has better character models to people but even then you lack stuff like the victory pose Mario did in the original.

The 64 one

just because of the nostalgia factor

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>>379798505
Gotcha.

Its a shame they changed the colors because the DS can look pretty good sometimes, I like the updated models though.

>>379795705
English, motherfucker

>>379793352
>not playing on 3DS
3DS release 2011
Mario64DS release 2004
>i should've waited 7 years to fully enjoy my game

>Four playable characters, two of which are worthless and one of which is gamebreaking. A bunch of bland switch and silver stars in extra levels nobody can remember. A few decent touch screen minigames.
>Controls that feel good and function properly.

Wow hard choice.

>people actually had problems with the d-pad
>people actually used the touch screen
get good, fags

>>379793772
how can people be this stupid?

i understand now. there are even more nostalgiafags after the election. /v/ came to a consensus that the DS version was better awhile ago

>>379794283
Literally the only time I used the touchscreen analog was for spinning bowser to gain momentum for throws.

>>379799889
Not only are there more nostalgia fags there are also more fitins who think hating on the remake will give them /v/ cred

Fact: All of the remakes (Starfox 64, OoT/MM, SM64) are strictly inferior to the original game.

>>379801287
Explain for all of them. I don't even disagree.

>>379801287
don't you have MAGAs to post / money to be made from shilling for shareblue, after-election-boy?

>>379801287
I thought starfox 64 was a good one

>>379792469
They're both flawed, but SM64DS wins by both looking better and having significantly more content than the original. I sincerely hope SM64DS gets an HD rerelease on Switch so it can have all the content and good controls, thus making it the perfect game and ending this dumb argument

>>379801287
>fact
i'm not disagreeing because this IS fact for
>nintendo manbabbys
>casuals
>nostalgiafags

>>379801357
OK
>OoT is not a bad remake mechanically, but the art style completely ruins the charm of the game into a less timeless modern-zelda aesthetic.
>MM is strictly worse and dumbs down too much of the game because they were afraid casuals would hate it
>SF64 similar reasoning to OoT, though the voices are generally worse and the effects of the game lack the same punchiness as the N64
>SM64 controls a lot worse and the new additions are not very good

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>just

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>>379801605
>both looking better

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>>379802356
Beta Scuttlebug is still the best.

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they actually removed this in the DS remake. Fuck nintendo and any faggot who thinks that version is playable

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>>379801357

>>379802554
I wonder who on the development team was responsible for this.

>ITT: Retards who can't use a D-Pad

>>379793167
Wrong. Some of the minigames were the same, but others were new.

>>379793449
>DS has shit controls
Wrong
>the majority of the characters can't wall jump
OH NOES!!!
>having to go in and out of levels to make sure you have the right character until you unlock them all
Also wrong, most of the time you can find the hats that let you transform within the levels
>extra arbitrary stars
Yes, how dare they give you more content. Those scumbags.
>it's on a fucking DS
Not an argument

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>>379797875
>Worse graphics
LOL

>>379802982
Holy shit who types like this. Look, the game's main sell for a lot of people is it's movement, and making it so that sometimes you're locked away from all your moves is a bad enough limit that plenty of people would rather go back and play the perfectly fine original.

>>379802668
>oh no they made it look better waaaaah

>>379803092
those textures are uglier, more pixelized, and less detailed

>>379803092
Yeah when I play SM64 I'm doing it because it's a well-made primitive 3D platforming experience from 1998, not because I really dig Nintendo's modern homogenized Mario and Bowser designs.

>>379802668
>>379803549
Same here. I know it's an obvious thing to do at this point to turn the whole game purple and give everything the absolute most possible clarity, but it takes away the tone and what they were trying to do with Majora's Mask and understandably replaces it with their modern style.

>>379803092
Better & more Colorful Texture vs. Better Models
It depends what you prefer in your games.

>>379803092
Bowser loses all his lighting in the DS version, wow.

>all these people saying n64 version of mario64 is better
haha yeah i sure do love my slip n' slide simulator and not being able to do a simple 180 turn 90% of the time because mario wants to instead do a 180 walk around the world haha.

>>379802008
OoT and MM didn't have good art styles, everything you remember about MM's DARK TONE comes from the promo art. 3DS remakes are fine.

SF64's voices aren't "worse", just "not the same exact clips you've had repeating in your head since you were 8". You don't even have an explanation for what you mean by "punchiness", either.

but SM64 is worse on DS, it's true.

>>379804061
There's not much case for that with MM given that image dude. The lighting is more consistent and shit like Gyorg's Geocities wallpaper texture is replaced with something that looks like a fucking fish.

>Oh no the rainbow is gone. The room is darker change is bad!
>Oh no the dark room is gone and this poison myst makes shit look like a fucking rainbow change is bad!
>I can tell it's a fucking fish now change is bad!
>THE MOON HAS BETTER LIGHTING, MATCHES ITS CONCEPT ART, AND THE SKY IS DARKER? CHANGE IS BAD.
I legit have no sarcastic commentary for the fucking planetarium. It just looks better. Oh no the inexplicable floor lighting was changed from neon rainbow to soft pink? World over.

>>379804428
>punchiness
It's something you have to play both to really appreciate. Here's a semi-shitty comparison:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNRExiwV05Q

The 3D remake feels a lot slower visually and the explosion effects lack the thicker feedback you get in comparison to the 64 version.

Also you'd be wrong about Ocarina of Time and MM. The market area is a particularly good example of how they bastardized the art style a bit.

>>379804761
Yeah it looks better for sure. I don't know why you're freaking out that people wouldn't like changes when these are all perfectly well-loved classics that don't really need a modern Nintendo restyling, and each have their own attitudes and do their own thing.

>>379805385
I don't know either honestly. It's 4chan and I expect that level of hyperbole and vitriol from all corners at all time I guess.

I need a break.

>>379805167
What the hell, why is it so slow compared to the original? Fuck, I need to play SF64 one of these days, I keep forgetting to.

>>379802730
/thread

>>379803668
>>379804061
>>379804141
>>379804279
>the graphics are worse
>gets proven wrong
>b-but muh textures look different
Absolutely pathetic. Just a bunch of nostaligatards triggered by the D-Pad.

>>379805167
>>379804428
I think a lot of that punchiness is due to the N64's more primitive A/V. With Starfox espcially there are a lot of really sharp pointed edges that they round off in the remake, and the SFX have the right amount of bitcrush that does give the game a gritter wartime effect.

And you'll never quite get that SM64 OOOOMF in a modern nintendo game, either.

>>379793352
Still feels bad and weird compared to the original.

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I want to know the person responsible for that atrocity of a game

DS is pretty shit about Switching. Sometimes there'd e a hat and sometimes you'd have to unlock the character and bring them back.

Not even DK64 was this bad about this kind of of stuff.

>>379805682
I gave a neutral opinion saying the positives of both versions and it's up to preference, fuck off with your nostalgia buzzword.

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>>379805682
>argues that the remake has better graphics
>dismisses all criticisms that textures are lower quality and lighting is absent

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>>379792469
>comapny remake legendary home console system seller/really good home console game with "better" visuals
>it's released on only on handhelds, and don't port it onto home consoles a year or so down the line

I can understand dragon quest because they came out when the wii u was already DOA
but ocarina of time came out early enough in the wii u's life where would have sold quite a few systems

Currently playing this to 100% right now.
The controls are literal shit, but I'm still enjoying the game because of all the new content compared the the original.

>>379805682
Mario 64 3DS isn't just 'more better', as if all there is to the game is the polycount on the model, it's a different style released in a different time by a different team trying to do something different. SM64 3DS is a modern remake of a classic that people didn't have a problem with.

>>379792469
DS. 64fags can't shut up about their anal log and run button. The D-pad is fine.

>>379806115
Nah, Nintendo wants you to have the Wii U AND the 3DS. They also don't think there's any difference between a handheld and a console.

>>379804061
>Nintendo's modern homogenized Mario and Bowser designs
Lol, are you an autist like Mariotehplumber?

I didn't have to play though 1/4 of the game as a retarded dinosaur to start playing as Mario in the original.

>>379806767
I prefer the original but you only need 8 stars to get Mario dude.

>>379806563
I don't have a problem with the new designs. I just never needed them replaced into Super Mario 64.

Which is better, Pokemon Fire Red or Pokemon Red?

>>379805628
My guess is that they fucked up the world scale, something that becomes especially apparent during the boss fight.

>>379805690
Exactly.

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>>379806563
Mariotehplumber is actually based and knows what he's talking about
Unlike you fucking retards

>>379792469
The problems with the dpad controls are overstated. It works perfectly fine.

Aside from the shitty adjusted palette in some stages, the worse audio quality for voices and the slightly worse controls, the DS version is better in every way.

>>379806854
So you wanted a DS game to have the same N64 models?

>>379807150
>Mariotehplumber is actually based
So you are autistic then? Thanks for clearing that up.

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>>379793352
you can still only move in 8 directions even with the analog stick. jump in a lake dumpass.

>>379807273
No. I'm saying given the choice I'd rather play SM64. SM64DS is perfectly fine and has every right to exist as it is.

>>379807623
>SM64DS is perfectly fine and has every right to exist as it is.
And yet you are complaining about it because it doesn't look exactly the same as it did in 1996.

>>379807582
>he doesn't slide his thumb around the D-Pad while also using the camera adjust button for smooth movement
Retard

>>379807804
Correct, which is a valid complaint.

Someone can have a complaint about something while thinking it existing and people liking it is perfectly valid. Now you've realized that opinions can have things like 'nuance' and 'logic' applied to them.

>>379792694
You need more (you)s

>>379806078
More polygons ASSHOLE

>>379802356
Everything but the bowser lighting, the grass on bob omb battlefield and the metal texture is better on DS

>>379802454
>one level
Nice cherrypicking, fag.

Is just one triggered DSfag ITT?

>>379798982
PC fags do this all the time

>>379792868
but he plays like shit

>>379810473
He plays exactly as how a fat fuck would.

>>379810353
No, it's multiple triggered 64fags.

>>379810916
I don't see any triggered 64 fans

I enjoyed both for different reasons.

>>379811049
>Liking both
That's not allowed.

>>379792469
64DS's extra content is great but I'd still rather play 64 just because of the controls.

>>379811017

>>379792551
>>379793015
>>379793206
>>379793591
>>379794056
>>379794839
>>379794954
>>379797534

>>379811897
Only the last two sound triggered, all the others just give their opinions/preference on what version they prefer and point out what they dislike in DS.

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>>379810454
fuck you dude

>>379802356
I really do miss the trippy-looking Scuttlebug and the more realistic-looking Nessie.

>>379812053
>I don't see any triggered 64 fans
>there's only two!
And there's way more of them, I just wasn't gonna find every post in the thread.

I am extremely peeved that we never got a fucking updated/fixed port with a fixed analog stick. The 8-directional pad, even while on the 3ds, blows.

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>>379812718
I wasn't the original Anon who said he didn't see triggered 64fags, Anon, I was just pointing out how there were only 2 in your post so calm down, some of both sides are triggered even though both versions have their positives and negatives from each other.

>>379803092
How can any sane person sperg that right looks better?

Fuck you.

>>379813484
Have you ever heard of the term 'wabi-sabi'?

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>>379813484
I wasn't saying the right looked better, you tard.

>>379814208
no shit. thats the problem

>>379813834
>news designs fit in with Mario artstyle better
Retard, what you don't understand is how back in 64 it was the first time Mario's world appeared in 3D so the aesthetic was experimental and limited by the console. Things change. Or are you one of those guys who got triggered by SEGA giving Sonic green eyes?

>>379815073
Sorry, it sounded like that "Fuck you" was directed specifically at me. My bad.

>>379792469
The fact that someone out there can think that the DS version stands a chance makes me fear for how far this place has fallen.

>>379816189
It just shows the average age of /v/. The kids from the DS generation are the current nostalgiafags.

Hey >>379812957, more autists here.

>>379816189
>>379816339

>>379816603
Triggered.

>>379816603
Cool, I don't care, like I said I'm not the original Anon & both sides have people who are triggered.

>>379816339
i mean i remember when I was like 5/6 and Mario 64 was the thing that really brought videogaming and Nintendo as a passion into my life

then some time later around 13-ish the DS dropped and it happened again with Mario 64 DS

i'm 24 rn but I'm curious as to if that relegates me to said nostalgiafag generation.

>>379816813
>gets triggered people like 64 on DS
>lol y-you're the t-triggered one!

cant wait to play this on the switch

why is nintendo holding out on the eshop and virtual console? is there some sort of business tactic going on behind the scenes or are they just stupid

>>379813834
whoever made this deserves all the internet points imaginable

>>379817192
Upvoted lol XD

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>>379817089
Nintendo is a firm believer in the Cartmanland business strategy

>>379817016
Nostalgia faggotry consist on not seeing the cracks in a product you enjoyed as a child. There's one person in this thread unable to see the cracks in 64DS.

>>379817089
They're probably holding on to them until their paid online system begins.

>>379815616
>fit in with Mario artstyle better
when did mario artstyle = hexagonal bumble bee with toilet plungers?

>>379817493
>There's many people in this thread unable to see the cracks in 64 before a D-Pad triggers them.

>>379817647
The original is just a bunch of circular sprites with legs. You can't tell me it doesn't look out of place in modern Mario.

Also the Scuttlebug is redesigned all the time: https://www.mariowiki.com/Scuttlebug

>>379817853
Huh. I didn't know the redesign started with Mario Party.

>>379817853
>its doenst look like modern mario games
>thats a bad thing
I bet you think 3D world is the best mario you fucking faggot

>>379818865
not an argument