Why do people hate Mario Sunshine so much? I just don't get it.

>>379759353
I fucking love it.

I just prefer the SM64 controls and level design. Something felt off about Sunshine when I played it, but I'd take it over the newer games any day.

They're not blinded by nostalgia and can see it for what it is.

>>379759353
>8 levels, when the previous title had 15
>no green Yoshi (AR Code only)
>vomiting yoshis are a dumb mechanic
>Bowser talks
>Bowser Jr.
>Peach being retarded
>piantas also being retarded

Mario needs to sue the shit out of Delfino Court.

>>379759353
Casuals

>linear level progression compared to 64
>blue coins are obvious padding
>platforming outside of the secret of parts is easymodo cause of fludd
>voice acting
>no long jump
>worst final boss in a nintendo game

And thats just off the top of my head

>>379759353
They don't

>went back to boring linear progression after 64's freedom
>blue coins
>fludd made most the platforming trivial
>blue coins
>boss fights were barely improved from 64. final boss uses only a single gimmick and is underwhelming
>blue coins

It's not terrible, but easily the worst of the 3d Marios.

>>379759353

they do? it's the best 3D Mario

>>379759353
Nobody hates Sunshine, retard

>>379760186
>>379760326
These. The levels don't feel nearly as inspired as 64's, and of course they're not as varied either. The platforming with FLUDD is not bad, but the lack of movement options in secret levels makes them very annoying. It's super easy to die in them because you stood on a little slope and started sliding for no reason. The blue coins were a horrible idea. The underwater segments are trash. Sunshine definitely has strengths, but overall it doesn't hold up nearly as well as 64 does.

I missed the long jump and blue coins were dumb but other than that it's pretty good. I still like SM64 more though.

Try collecting all the Shines.

That's why.

>>379760186
Bowser spoke in 64 too.

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>>379759353
It's blatantly unfinished and has some of the worst levels in a 3D platformer.

>>379760186
Literally none of these are problems other than 8 levels, which I personally didn't have a problem with.

FUCK off.

The fact you need to do specific missions to hit the end instead of being able to pick and choose like in 64 really tore it down a few notches. Still a good game though.

>>379759353
Annoying voice acting jetpack. Super long/cutscene heavy intro in a mario game. People get into an autistic tizzy that getting 100% is too difficult (even though there's no reward), they're brainlets that can't deal with the objectively better controls or increased difficulty from other games in the series.

people complaining about long jump confuse me when the jump after sliding is the exact same shit + you can hover.

complaints about hovering don't really make sense either given that mario 64 only has like 4 levels that are actually about platforming (bowser levels + clock) and the rest of it is just wandering around collecting stuff. the jetpack free levels or levels that you otherwise can't beat using the hover mean sunshine has way more platforming overall

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>>379760681
fuck off

not enough content

>>379759595
I didn't get them all until 2014 with the help of youtube.

>>379759353
I can't punch. The controls didn't feel as good as 64, the jetback hover trivialized a great deal of the platforming. Chucksters.

No idea, I always thought sunshine was extremely fun and comfy, great controls too. Its probably the last Mario game I actually enjoyed.

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>>379759353
Its banjo levels of collectathon. Some people don't like that since 64 pretty much just had 100 coins and 8 red coins.

long story short: people are casuals and cleaning up messes as gameplay isn't cool enough

>EH JUNIOR?

i genuinely love bowser's voice acting

Wasn't muh innovation enough.

just play the watermelon level

>>379759353
Worst 3D Mario

>>379759353
My biggest problem was that the best stages were the ones when they took the water machine away. Made me wonder why they didn't just make the game around those tight controls.

>>379766349

shut your fucking mouth you monster

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>>379766389

then everyone here would be crying about how it was too hard

>>379760326
>platforming is ez because of fludd

Only because you let it be. If you play slow, conservative and lame fludd is underwhelming. But the options it opens really lets good players take advantage of it

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>>379766543

Holy Fuck

>>379766349
I'd just about forgot about this

>>379766598
None of those stages were hard though, except for the one in Pianta Village which was almost entirely trial and error.

>>379763361
Who EVER punched in m64

>>379759353
I wonder what his egg smell? haha

>>379759353
Because they were literal children when it came out

>I can't do *event* because it's too hard. It's obviously the game and not me
>I don't get the controls and thus can't go fast, so they're obviously bad
>Finding blue coins is hard for my underdeveloped brain, but I want all the shiny things for no reason. This is bullshit

>>379766808
>he doesn't know

>>379766808
Literally anyone who played the game.

>>379766389
Those controls don't go away when you have the water pack, and you can use the water to improve on those controls (by doing stuff like sliding on water you made to go super fast or extend your airtime)

The water was also there to show off the hardware. Lots of early sixth gen games were water focused because the tech progressed enough to first start being impressive. The water in mario sunshine still looks really great today for example

>>379766543
>black pianta

fuck this man, nintendo did this intentionally. don't even try to say this was a coincidence.

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The only thing Sunshine got right was the movement, hopefully Odyssey has a combination of Sunshine's movement with the great and varied level design of the Galaxy games.

>>379767052
Know what?

>>379767276
Lurk moar, summerfag

>>379767397
I've been here for years.

>>379759353
People who dont like it wanted Mario 64 part 2. Instead we got the best puzzle platformer ever (at the time).

Those same people who hate Sunshine love the linear aspects of Galaxy and Galaxy 1.5

I liked playing sunshine to fuck around rather than play the game itself.

>>379767451
Whatever you say, kid

>>379767274
the level design in galaxy is trash, just linear paths flying in space

sunshine does feel like a precursor to odyssey though, with it's levels that look like they actually all belong in the same world (it's not proper open world since its full of warps, but seeing other levels in the skybox instead of just endless abyss was neat)

>>379759353
Only good thing about the game are the controls. Everything else was pure ass.

>>379767530
Casual spotted

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>fags liking Mario and Shillgeru Miyamoto

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>>379759353
I don't hate it per say, but the design was definitely a step in a odd direction compared to the direction 64 took. I'm not even a 64fag, but I do at the same time genuinely believe that 64's design heavily lent itself to solid 3D platforming and discovering new ways to get around.

The FLUDD based platforming/obstacles/progression in sunshine felt more like it was shoehorned in for the sake of flood. The big open areas felt less interactive with Mario and his abilities themselves so much so as it was an extension of only flood. It felt much less like you're platforming with Mario than you are with a control gimmick.

That said Mario Sunshines still solid and achieves what it sets out to do just fine but over all I'm just kinda meh to it. I think its a thing dependent on which 3D game you experienced first.

Also, just a food for thought In a couple years we're going to have kids who grew up with 3Dland posting here legally, defending it above Sunshine and 64, just let that sink in.

>>379760771
yeah but he didn't "GWAHAHAHA MARIO I'VE TAKEN THE PRINCESS"

The levels weren't interesting or creative, I love the level design of the Galaxy games and 3D World though and if anything Odysseycis trying to appeal to both 64/Sunshine and Galaxy fans

>>379760939
this. Also thats 8 levels that are actual environments and aren't just floating blocks(I know secret stages did this, but for the most part they actually put effort in).

>>379760186
>Bowser talks
He... always talks though?
Why do people lose their heads over the small amount of voiced lines Bowser got? What about the voiced dialogue Peach gets in her letter and the ending in 64, if you're gonna complain about Bowser speaking then do the same for Peach as well. Bowser isn't some silent villain or character like Mario where he only growls or snarls.

>>379767762
You're DAMN right I'm a casual.

Casuals are the best kind of gamers.

>>379767762
That's the only way to have fun in Sunshine.

>>379768207
I'll suck your dick, faggot

>>379768207
Yea, best at sucking at videogames, then whining for nerfs when they cant win.

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>>379768318
Nonsense, you can sink your teeth into the fantastic levels it offers.

>>379768318
I'll take you to the hilt in my ass, bitch

I liked it a lot OP. Fuck the haters

>>379768062
Im a big sunshine fan but the cutscenes were a bad idea.

In mario 64 you get a brief intro, then you walk into the castle and get a couple text boxes. Then there's no more cutscenes until you beat the game.

In sunshine you have a lengthy cutscene, walk down a hallway and shoot some water, then have even more cutscenes and then you get railroaded into chasing around a thing until you can finally actually play the game, and there's a couple cutscenees that break up the action like the I'M YOU'RE MAMA??? one

>>379768419
I'll sink my tongue deep into your juicy, pink starfruit, nigger

>>379768367
Do it pussy. I bet you won't.

>>379768569
>>379768367
>>379768457
>>379768649

Nigga will you stop fishing for (you)'s you degenerate faggot?

>>379768527
There's "cutscenes" everytime you get to a new area of the castle, and everything you find a boss like level. Bowser never shuts the fuck up either.

It was limited because of n64, but it still had way more cutscenes then Sunshine, which had long loading times.

>>379768649
Get over here, shitlord. Pull out that big cock of yours and let's get started

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>>379768808
You fucked up now, bitch. I'm gonna make you slam my ass until I scream in ecstasy

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>>379760186
>>379760326
>Shitting on Bowser Jr. and voice acting thats easily better then the voice acting in Nintendo most recent
TEN OUT OF TEN GAME OF THE CENTURY Zelda game
However ill admit the level designs were genuinely linear most of the blue coins were obnoxious as hell.

>>379759353
The level design isn't great and there's a lot of tedious bullshit between the amazing platforming.

The level design is mostly terrible.
FLUDD is one of the worst mechanics ever put into a platformer.
Shit like blue coins is cancer.
It has the pachinko machine and the lilypad and loads of other levels based on outright broken mechanics
The game is full of glitches as were a lot of the Gamecube games in the era, being forced out too early to try and fill the library.
The bonus levels where they take away FLUDD are the best part of the game by a landslide.

The game is honestly just not very good. As much as I found Galaxy 1 and 2 to be mediocre those are just better from a playability standpoint. Odyssey looks like it'll be the best one since 64, I can only hope it will be at least.
They really should just make a game that is nothing but the FLUDD-less bonus rooms though, just a game that's like 70 of those back to back.