Who was in the wrong here?

You for interfering.

Smelly dumb ghoul scum

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>>379727457
Only good ghoul in the Capital Wasteland is a dead one.

>>379727545
Around ghouls, don't be a fool

>>379727457
Ultimately, the ghouls.

I got them in, and butchered them for their traitorous crimes when I came back.

Second playthrough I just blasted that ghoul piece of shit in the back of the head mid sentence.

>>379727825
Tough words from a deadbeat entertainer. Ive already been shot twice in the head and still kickin.

Functional settlement with every right to turn people away. The rich nutter at the top is a problem for Megaton, but the residents keep to themselves. Those ghouls are lucky they weren't simply shot.

>>379727457
Ghouls in fo3 are just like n*ggers man.

The guy in underworld is like "man go kill those guys they be ghoul haters n shiet" but he only want their keys so he can steal some bling power armor to impress unmutated women.

The ten penny ghouls are like "we are discriminated against n shiet" but when you stop the discrimination they still chimp out anyway

About to start New Vegas. Should I run everything vanilla, or should I at least install the bug patches and NVSE?

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>>379727457
>bust your ass trying to get a bunch of ghouls who hate you into the tower because love and equality, ghoul acceptance and diversity is good for us
>they murder everyone while you're gone
>kill everyone in a righteous rage
>TTTTHHHREEEEE DAWG HERE LATEST NEWS, THAT RACIST CRACKA WANDERER KILLED ALL THESE GHOULS WHO DINDU NUFFIN, JUS TRYNA GET FINNA LIVES BACK ON TRACK NAMSAYIN

>>379728514
You should install jsawyer

>>379727457
Ghouls.
They violated the NAP.

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>>379727457
Clearly the Ghouls.

This was always a retarded dilemma anyway. It isn't equivalent to real life discrimination, because the Ghouls literally will become murderous savages in a few months time. The moral argument is that, at the absolute least, the Ghouls should be kept away from the tower.

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>>379728417

>>379727457
Bethesda

>>379728681
>not akin to real life discrimination
>literally become underpins savages
>radical muslims and uneducated blacks do exactly this
:thinking:

>>379728858
>>>/pol/

>>379727457
Tenpenny's an asshole but I don't think everyone else deserved to die

>>379728743
>so uncreative that they literally substitute the "problematic" parts with the version in game

That reddit post is at least 2 years old and I'm still mad.

>>379728743
Much better
>>379728417
See how easy it is to get the same message without being a racist asshole

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>>379727457
profligates

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>>379728417

The entire quest was a euphemism for black people

They're being horribly oppressed, liberals come in and help them move into white-class neighborhoods, then suddenly every non-Black starts to die in that neighborhood

GHOUL TOWER

>>379728743
Thanks for posting the version where I won't get my fee fees hurt by the evil right wing death squad version.
Justice for Trayvon

>>379728271
>not getting the ghoul mask on every playthrough for use in Point Lookout

>>379728897
I mean I made sure to type radical and uneducated and not racist, but yeah I'm a nazi because I told the truth

>>379728743
I find this comic still presents a rather flawed viewpoint on the quest. tl;dr, it's still racist.
The Tenpenny residents are all transparent facades of Pre-War racism that's now being projected onto Ghouls because it's easy to call them literally inhuman from their looks and association with feral ghouls. They're a heavy-handed attempt at making them instantly "bad", because they are oppressive and biased against a group they stereotype and believe to be inhuman, Ghouls. This sets the modern gamer up to be biased against the Tenpenny residents from the start, and sympathetic to the downtrodden Ghouls. However, if one doesn't ken the message of "these super preppie people who call this other group inhuman monsters and threaten to leave when you convince everyone to play nice together" and is instead sympathetic to the Tenpenny residents, it calls into question their motives beyond the gameworld.

>>379728028
For years i thought shotguns were shitty in this game, but if you use custom ammo and the right perks, like shotgun surgeon plus and Stay Back, they're fucking amazing. Sniping faggots with slugs out of a customized hunting shotgun feels so good

>>379729054

Except it's not the same message.

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>>379729054
>rayciss maymay
back you go

>>379729297
>>>/pol/

>>379727457
The ghoul.
He clearly was showing aggressiveness from the start while he was eating.

>>379728979
Yeah, Especially not Adventurer bro.
Adventurer bro's life alone is worth more than 3 terrorist Ghouls any day.

>>379729306
When the player arrives, Roy is cursing at the intercom and says they'll pay for this, or something to that effect. When you enter the tower, you're presented the opportunity to either Kill the Ghouls for Tenpenny, or Find a Peaceful Solution. You can also get the Kill the Bigots option from Roy when you go visit him in the metro tunnels, but at no point does Roy come off as someone who wants to live with these people. He obviously has a vendetta, and if you try to arrange a peaceful coexistence, he makes it quite transparent that he's unhappy with some residents. He immediately kills Tenpenny, breaking the agreement you set up. It's only a matter of time before he lashes out against the rest of the residents -- who have behavior which ranges from "yeah they're okay" to "oh my god how could you force me to live with those monsters", many of whom were against the Ghouls moving in until your silver tongue (or strong arm) managed to sway public favor. If you understand racial tension, you will see the massacre coming before you even begin the quest. It's lampshaded at every turn.

>>379729054
Yeah I browsed /r/fallout too.

>>379727457
the entire quest is a trap for good players, where just blind good intentions doesn't work out. its a good quest 2bh

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>>379729413
No

The ghouls are, the place was a paradise in the wasteland. Even in good guy playthroughs I always killed Roy and them.

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I couldn't give less of a fuck about the rest of the people in that Tower but the moment those fucks laid a hand on Dashwood they signed their fucking death warrants.

>>379727457
>Bethesda predicted the immigration crisis almost a decade ago, even including the reaction of the media about how the poor ghouls dindu nuffin

How deep is Todd's game?

>>379727457
>The humans
+ Literally need to live there to survive in the post apoc hellhole wasteland
- Are a little mean to the horrifying looking people, many of which are mindless monsters that attack anyone nearby, but can eventually come around to be really nice

>The ghouls
+Their skin isn't white
- Don't actually need to live in the tower to survive because they're ghouls
- Don't attempt to act in a way that might make them come across better
- Murder people that welcome them with open arms if given a chance

What was bethesda thinking by making this the good option?

>>379729375
>>379729393

>See how easy it is to get the same message without being a racist asshole

This is a quote from the mods of /r/fallout I believe when they deleted the other versions after it was the number 1 post of the month or something. You can only know that if you are or were a redditfag of course but that's the joke.

>>379729109
No, it was muslims. They are let in and people die, or they are killed on the spot and the media calls you a racist for attacking the religion of peace.

>>379728417
>>379728743
Which is the first one?

>>379729815
>What was bethesda thinking by making this the good option?
It's not the "good option". It's a pretty great quest, more subtle and grey than most you'll see even in NV.

>>379730143
The don't be a fool one, some redditor took offence and created the sanitized version

>>379730103
look up the uprising in haiti

>>379730143
Funnily enough, the raciss one was the original. The other one was made because people on reddit and tumblr couldn't handle the raciss one :(

>>379730143
this one
>>379728417

>>379729470
Every ghoul quest is like this though. In The headshot assasin quest that one salty ghoul in underworld tells you to kill 5 people because they're "ghoul hatin racisstss n shiet" and then when you talk to underworld residents and tenpenny you can find that he has some shady but unknown motive and have the option to kill him. When you kill the people and deliver the keys, he just goes to fort Constantine and gets some "sick ass T51B" to "impress sum human wimmin". Then, he tries to kill you. Like Jesus Christ Bethesda's ghoul quests basically are racist shitshows that tell players not to trust black people

>>379730250
Why is the original version smaller and blurrier
>>379730257
The nignogs were already in haiti.

>>379730250
>>379730273
Source?

>>379728858
talks shit about radical muslims invaded the middle east amd killed hundreds of millions a few years before

>>379730249
How is it grey? If the ghouls had a serious reason to want to live in the tower, it might be grey, but they only want to live there for material/comfort reasons while the humans need it or something like it to live because they aren't mutants that can survive fallout

>>379730250
>>379730273
Is that true?

>>379727457
The ghouls, obviously. Who in their right mind wants a bunch of rotting zombie maggot farms that will eventually go nuts and cannibalize you as neighbors?

>>379730583
>>379730464
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout/comments/383zyw/fallout_3_karma_racism_removed_better_moral/

>>379730514
>How is it grey? If the ghouls had a serious reason to want to live in the tower, it might be grey
Because the "right thing to do" (i.e, helping the needy and promoting coexistence) bites you in the ass, and even if you do the right thing (killing the ghouls) you still get demonized for it.
Very realistic.-

Bethesda.

how the hell did a high building like that survive when everything around it collapsed into nothing.

>>379730103
eat bag of dicks murican shit, killed millions and milliions in the past decade litteraly the new nazis with the new axis of evil (israel, saudia arabia) talks shit about muslim extrimists that they litteraly created trough al qaida, the taliban and saudia arabia

>>379730715
>https://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout/comments/383zyw/fallout_3_karma_racism_removed_better_moral/
Reddit is pure cancer. Holy fucking shit.

Ghouls stink like rotting corpses and chunks of them randomly fall on the floor. No one wants to live with them especially rich people who have a secure tower.

so when the oppressed are FINALLY given some rights, it's completely unreasonable that they'd still feel the injustice of YEARS accumulated prior? the "ghouls" did nothing wrong

>>379730881
It was clearly already reinforced, there are other buildings like Lucky's which are still standing. The walls around it have taken the brunt of the damage and the back of the tower was clearly damaged as it's been covered with metal plates to reinforce it. Tenpenny mentioned moving in and maintaining the place.

>>379730950
Don't you have kids to run over instead of shitposting on 4chan?

>>379730769
but again you aren't "helping the needy", you're helping the greedy that want to live in the comfy place for no real reason besides "it's not fair"

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>>379731050
They sperg out about even linking it apparently

>>379731050
>>379730715
>https://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout/comments/383zyw/fallout_3_karma_racism_removed_better_moral/
Holy shit, I had no idea the memes about reddit being this bad were actually accurate.

>>379731256
nope not until the cia brainwash me, dont you have a genocide to commit? ah das rite cant mossad the assad

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>>379728827
/thread

>>379729465
>>379729730
Fucking this

>>379731347
>for no real reason
"The wasteland sucks" is a good reason. And you're right, the ghouls were indeed just greedy vengeful fucks, but that's not how the quest is presented to you on the surface. At first glance it looks like the average black and white "evil racists need to be convinced to welcome and coexist with poor unfortunate people", that's why it's such a good quest.

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>>379730950
>leave muslims alone
>they become terrorists
>bomb muslims
>they become terrorists
>criticize their religion
>they become terrorists
>bring them into white countries
>they become terrorists
>call them terrorists
>they become terrorists
>leave them alone
>they become terrorists

>>379731189
They did nothing wrong except slaughter a bunch of innocent people and throw their bodies in a closet

>>379731890
i don't remember muslim terrorists in europe before you created them in the middle east.

muricans theyll burn the world and blame it on the wood

>>379731990
a few less bigots in the world isn't the saddest thing i've heard all day

>>379731716
>nope not until the cia brainwash me
Your religion already did, Ahmed. What are you waiting for anyway? I know 4chna is filled with virgins, but they're not for you, you have to kill yourself first.

>>379732282
A few less cucks would be even better

>>379730950
Careful there Abdul, you might overheat and set off your explosive vest.

>>379732250
oh thanks for another one!

>americans bomb muslims
>they terrorize europe

not the brightest batch of monkeys.

The Tenpenny residents are all transparent facades of Pre-War racism that's now being projected onto Ghouls because it's easy to call them literally inhuman from their looks and association with feral ghouls. They're a heavy-handed attempt at making them instantly "bad", because they are oppressive and biased against a group they stereotype and believe to be inhuman, Ghouls. This sets the modern gamer up to be biased against the Tenpenny residents from the start, and sympathetic to the downtrodden Ghouls. However, if one doesn't ken the message of "these super preppie people who call this other group inhuman monsters and threaten to leave when you convince everyone to play nice together" and is instead sympathetic to the Tenpenny residents, it calls into question their motives beyond the gameworld.

When the player arrives, Roy is cursing at the intercom and says they'll pay for this, or something to that effect. When you enter the tower, you're presented the opportunity to either Kill the Ghouls for Tenpenny, or Find a Peaceful Solution. You can also get the Kill the Bigots option from Roy when you go visit him in the metro tunnels, but at no point does Roy come off as someone who wants to live with these people. He obviously has a vendetta, and if you try to arrange a peaceful coexistence, he makes it quite transparent that he's unhappy with some residents. He immediately kills Tenpenny, breaking the agreement you set up. It's only a matter of time before he lashes out against the rest of the residents -- who have behavior which ranges from "yeah they're okay" to "oh my god how could you force me to live with those monsters", many of whom were against the Ghouls moving in until your silver tongue (or strong arm) managed to sway public favor. If you understand racial tension, you will see the massacre coming before you even begin the quest. It's lampshaded at every turn.

>>379730950
Careful not to explode with anger

>>379732250
>i don't remember muslim terrorists in europe
Learn some fucking history.

>>379727457
me, for playing that game

>>379732250
>i don't remember muslim terrorists in europe
That's because they weren't terrorists, they were invading armies taking over places like spain

Since it was harder to travel long distances back then, they were content to terrorize eachother for believing in slightly different stories of a pedophile warlord

>>379732585
So, this comic tells lies, essentially. Roy does not ask the Player to help find a peaceful agreement; he straight up tells you he wants to kill every last motherfucker in that building. You have to suggest finding a peaceful solution, first to the Security guard, and then to Roy. Peace is always the Player's idea, and it is always born out of a misguided attempt at getting factions that hate each other to play nice.

"Some time later" as a panel is woefully inadequate at addressing the meat of this quest, as well! That blacked out panel includes convincing or strong-arming each member Tenpenny suggests as influential into letting Ghouls stay. Two shop-keepers straight up tell you to go to hell, and leave the tower if you win a Speech check because they can't bear to live with "zombies". The Snooty Couple leave as well. That's 4 out of the, what, maybe 7 characters you have to talk to, with Mr. and Mrs. Cheng and Dashwood being favorable to the move. It is eminently transparent that the Tenpenny residents are bigots and you are supposed to dislike them, and that Roy will kill them if they mouth off to him.

The reason Three Dog reports unfavorably on your actions if you kill the Ghouls after helping them, is because they are the Oppressed ones, and the Tenpenny residents are the Bigots. You are meant to feel bad for the Ghouls, and dislike the Tenpennies. If the Player is left frustrated by the questline, it is because their Personal Motives beyond the gameworld don't mesh with the message the game was pushing. (ETA, can't confirm because I haven't gone far enough to get the radio back up again yet on this recent game and 2008 was a long time ago)

A comic like this comes from a viewpoint that is flawed and doesn't see what the game itself is doing, and has not considered the motives of every character; or in fact completely disregards them to make an exaggerated point.

>>379728897
>>>Neogaf

>>379732282
The ghouls are bigger bigots which is why they kill them after being accepted

>>379732497
Kek.

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>>379728681
Sounds like Muslims to me.

>>379732415
>>379732497
>>379732559
>>379732639
im white just pissed europe is in this situation because you shartpants bombed the middle east and trained terrorists, and then you fatfucks dare to laugh when theres a bombing here

>>379732734
the fuck are you even talking about, im european its not like we never conquered anyone, and spain started the inauisition right after the muslims were kicked out

>>379731230
>It was clearly already reinforced
Why would it be reinforced and not any of the other high-rise buildings? Its very strange. and you gotta reinforce it like hell to withstand all the damage.

> The walls around it have taken the brunt of the damage
those walls wont stop damage to the upper floors.

>back of the tower was clearly damaged as it's been covered with metal plates to reinforce it. Tenpenny mentioned moving in and maintaining the place.
Which cant be more then 60 years ago. What about the 140 or more years of neglect between the Great War and his moving in?

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>>379734305
Regardless of what you consider the cause, we didn't force you to take them in, Mr. """"""European"""""".

>>379734861
This.

>>379734305
People laugh at you because your response to women and children getting raped or ran over by trucks every other week is to #prayinsolidarity with the people that did this to you, even though you bend over backwards to be inclusive to them.

>>379735172
How long until they start using prayer mats and facing Mecca when they pray for solidarity, I wonder.

There's not a single ghoul in rivet city and the only one in megaton is a slave. Are they any better than Tenpenny? Roy could have taken his people to underworld where all ghouls are welcome but instead he saw easy pickings and wanted tenpenny tower for himself.

Everyone is wrong, everyone deserves to die.

>>379729238
>>Being this booty blasted
You stormniggers really have to go.

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>>379734861
no but you paved the way for the ones here to be radicalised the fuck do you think eastern europeans aleady in europe would do if muricans and the rest of us did this to prague belgrade and athens?

you wouldn't even have to start terrorist groups there , their sheer hate would kill me instantly

>>379735657
Herbert Dashwood did not deserve to die.

>>379735172
you want us to kill 5 million people because 10 gta rampaged, we're not murican savages

>>379735804
Eh, who cares
they're not human
roasted roach and sandnigger to me smells like chicken

>>379735804
So keep letting them in, I'm sure they'll run out of bombs and trucks eventually. :^)

>>379734475
>Why would it be reinforced and not any of the other high-rise buildings?
There aren't any, hence little rubble in the surrounding area. Most pre-war buildings that weren't nuked directly are standing but are lacking renovation
>those walls wont stop damage to the upper floors.
You can see a "patch" in the back of the building where a makeshift repair job was made, clearly from damage due to the Great War. Considering it happened during the future, tremour endurance in building has probably increased in efficiency. Tenpenny Tower seemed to be an important and unique building so they'd make it to withstand impacts.
>Which cant be more then 60 years ago. What about the 140 or more years of neglect between the Great War and his moving in?
Again it's an isolated pre-war resort far from most of the impacts in DC, where most of the damaged/destroyed buildings are. Likely the building had shock absorbers or was laid in hard soil (which is rocky in the south)

after ring a ding ding i always lose all motivation to play this game

>>379736639
Isn't that a NV quest?

>>379736639
You mean New Vegas?
That's a NV quest not a FO3 quest.

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>>379729781
Then in the next game they wrote this man:

>>379736304
>>379736313

you're even worse, you subhumans did more to them than they to us and still you want more blood. the way your people think and act is nothing but subhuman if murica israel and saudia arabia were wiped of the face of the earth we might get somewhere as a species

>>379735804
the iraq one is the same it just looks like a sandstorm is going on

>>379736846
>>379737050
oh, yeah, derp. my point still stands.

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>>379736178
If you let a friend sleep on your couch while he's "between things" but then he decides to eat all your food, shit on the floor and invite his 20 friends in with him you don't have to murder him.

Just kick him out because he abused your hospitality.

>>379737082
more like ash storm am i rite?

>>379737315
Well yeah, NV has a long, boring, linear intro that more or less railroads the player and takes metagaming to ignore, so by the time you do ringading you're kinda burnt out.

>>379737059
>europe dindu nuffin

Yeah, because colonialism was invented by America.

>>379736178
>It's ONLY 10 people that got raped

How many people have to get raped before it's no longer acceptable? What's the designated rape threshold before it's time to act?

>>379732585
>>379732841
reddit, please

>>379737493
if you let your friend in for a weak then go to his house kill his wife rape his daughter burn his house down and brainwash his son, you should kill him too because he might get pissed.

yes murican you were in the right, good goy

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>>379730715
>Original was drawn back in 2009 or so.
>Instead of making their own comic about it they take work someone else made and censor it.
>ITS BETTER THIS WAY

That is authoritarian as fuck, holy shit. How can you be this big of scumbags and not be self aware?

>>379737598
There is a lot of interesting non quest locations there if you head off the road. but goodsprings always makes a new playthrough hard, one I get passed good springs it's fine

>>379737409
Should be Emil instead of ol Pete. Emil is actually in charge and 100% responsible for the retarded garbage in beth fallout. Pete is just a shit marketing guy.

>>379736178
notice how american savages are a super power. now notice how europe can't even defend itself, and every one of you was an empire or kingdom.

>>379737059
Oh, shut up you leftie cuck. What Americans did in the Middle East was retarded and fucked us all, but don't try to justify sandniggers' crimes or pretend that we shouldn't do something with them. West Europe completely fucked over and humiliated Germans after WW1. Does that justify Nazis' actions?(/po/ pls stay away)

>>379737885
nobody is bombing europe because of colonialism, i'm belgian the congolese don't give 2 shits about what we did there almost 2 centuries ago
>>379737946
i dont live in fucking sweden, is the entire us detroit?

>>379730950
whitey dindu nuffin they good boy.

>>379738654
look at you banking system, look at who prints your moneyand who owns your government, me and you are living in the same empire you just dont know it.

>>379738749
How many high profile incidents have happened in england, france and germany in the last 365 days?

Again I ask, how many people have to be rapes and murders are acceptable sacrifices to the alter of "not being murrican savages" before it's too many?

The tower residents weren't exactly being being diplomatic about the whole thing, but it was their tower and they can hardly be expected to house and feed the whole wasteland

The ghouls meanwhile were entitled faggots and, you know, coldblooded MURDERERS who killed people who hadn't done anything wrong after those same people took them in.

>>379727457
For the nuke quest? Tenpenny hes a fucking asshole and no one cares how the neighborhood looks in that stupid fucked up world.

For the ghoul quest? The ghouls easily. Its his tower he can tell people to fuck off he secured it and took control they cannot just take it from him because he put up a no ghouls allowed sign.

>>379738679
it does read up on history, we forced the germans into war due to what happend in ww1, the nazis went way too far with jews but their hate is justified and had everyright to expel them after the attempted coup

>shit voice actors
>tries to copy burnout, but since they used licensed cars we'll never see them fully destroyed
>muh cinematic instead of just racing

>>379739267
soyou and your country have no blame , were supposed to kill millions for something you started and just laugh it away, you are right im muslim european and the borders need to close and mosques need to be checked but anon is right about who is to blame and they live safely across the atlantic

>>379736405
>There aren't any, hence little rubble in the surrounding area
so why throw a goddamn high rise in the middle of fucking no where? Highrise are designed for high density urban areas.

>Tenpenny Tower seemed to be an important and unique building so they'd make it to withstand impacts.
it was a hotel for rich people. not that unique.

>Again it's an isolated pre-war resort far from most of the impacts in DC
Which again, defies the logic. Why build a high-rise in an isolated area?
>where most of the damaged/destroyed buildings are. Likely the building had shock absorbers or was laid in hard soil
Look at Polissya hotel for example.Just 20 years of neglect was enough for the roof to start caving in due to weather damages alone. Do you really want to tell me that tower survived 140+ years of 0 maintenance after a nuclear war and it didnt collapse?

>>379739913
>posting in the wrong thread

>>379740496

Yeah, sorry about that

it was a metaphor for 3rd world (muslim) immigration to the west

Best option is:
>let ghouls in
>Kill Roy immediately without being spotted
>everybody besides Tenpenny and Roy gets to live in peace and harmony

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>>379739972
>and they live safely across the atlantic
Or so they think.US empire is in decline judging by how fucking corrupt they are and nothing in decline ends well.

>>379740787
Except all the humans die anyway.

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>>379727457
>who was in the wrong here?

whoever thought making a perfectly preserved skyscraper in the middle of a desert without so much as the skeletons of other buildings anywhere nearby 200 years after a nuclear war was a good idea

>>379740241
>so why throw a goddamn high rise in the middle of fucking no where? Highrise are designed for high density urban areas.
Because Washington DC, the city itself has some law preventing buildings from being a lot taller than the White House or some shit, can't remember by how much.
>it was a hotel for rich people. not that unique.
It was still a luxury resort that doesn't appear to be that common in Fallout 3. The only other similar building is the Statesman Hotel, which is in a terrible state.
>Look at Polissya hotel for example.Just 20 years of neglect was enough for the roof to start caving in due to weather damages alone
Polissya Hotel was also near the Nuclear Plant in Pripyat, Tenpenny Tower is pretty far away from any direct nuclear impacts. Not to mention it wasn't built on corrugated metal with shoddy communist quantity-prioritising building practices.

how did tenpenny get to the united states

>>379727457

Three Dog.

>rich elites want everyone else to deal with muslim and negro trash
>tell everyone else borders and walls are racist
>tell everyone else guns are for evil racists
>hide in concrete tower behind a huge wall and 24/7 armed security

They deserved to be raped and torn apart by the subhuman trash they want everyone else to be infested by.

Fuck them and fuck Three Dog for pretending it didn't happen when the elites were mutilated and murdered.

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>>379732250
>i don't remember muslim terrorists in europe before you created them in the middle east.
Your ignorance makes Charles cry

>>379741013
i fucking hope so,i would prefer getting closer relations to putins russia than degenarate murica

>>379742237
wars of conques are wars of conuest what does that have to do with anything? there is not a race on this planet that killed and conquered as much as we did so what is your point?

ffs how stupid are you even muslims dont go around claiming alexanders conquest made them do it

>>379742237
if we are discussing those days we must agree that muslims were a lot nice to jews and christians back then than we were to pagans here, even salahedin was a lot more modern and tolerant than anyone we sent there

>>379741965
Fucking this.

If Three Dog loves ghouls so much he should let them into his stupid radio station, probably let the super mutants in as well.

>>379741724
>Because Washington DC, the city itself has some law preventing buildings from being a lot taller than the White House or some shit, can't remember by how much.
doesn't explain why put a highrise there. fine lets say its illegal to build high downtown but its still makes no sense building a highrise in the middle of no-where.
>Polissya Hotel was also near the Nuclear Plant in Pripyat,
but it didnt get any damage from explosions. Polissya Hotel's damage came ONLY from weather damage and no maintenance.
>Not to mention it wasn't built on corrugated metal with shoddy communist quantity-prioritising building practices.
the build quality of the hotel was actually far superior to most common soviet era buildings, but even so - lets assume they build it with high quality materials and good technology. How do you make it resistant to the weather damage and 0 maintenance for 140+ years?

>>379727457
Both sides were bad.

>>379728417
>the most meaningful moment in the game is pro apartheid propaganda.

>>379730257
the slavers had it coming

>>379741196
Are you serious? Because I swear that when I played, if you kill Roy, the humans don't die. Tenpenny dies no matter what (because his death is directly triggered by the ghouls being let in) but if Roy is dead the rest of the ghouls won't kill all the humans.

I came back in-game months later and all the humans were still there.

>>379743394
>muslims were a lot nice to jews and christians back then
They only were when they finished killing almost all of them and then turned them into slaves and subjugated peoples.

>>379745215
not in general no im a history major and if we draw a comparison on eurpope and middle east at the same time frame we come up as a lot more savage, but in both cases it depends on what region were focusing on

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>>379742959
>conques = conuest

>>379742959
Who are the Huns?

Kill the rich, feed the ghouls

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>>379729054
>racist asshole
you fucking niggers know shit about reality do ya´?

>>379743762
>doesn't explain why put a highrise there. fine lets say its illegal to build high downtown but its still makes no sense building a highrise in the middle of no-where.
It's a lot cheaper, not to mention the game would feel pretty claustrophobic if you put everything in the SE of the map. In China they often build high-rise buidlings in rural areas, mainly to give the impression of luxury and prosperity but they do it none the less.
>but it didnt get any damage from explosions. Polissya Hotel's damage came ONLY from weather damage and no maintenance.
The radiation in the surrounding area would've degraded its foundations so it was no longer mechanically sound, considering that the rain often takes on radioactive properties after nuclear events like that.
>the build quality of the hotel was actually far superior to most common soviet era buildings,
Do you have a source for this? Multiple windows, wide base, would've exemplified the look of the damage and corrosion. As far as I'm aware, a common complaint was that Fallout 3 had no rain at all (which I can't explain to be hoenst). I said before the building wasn't completely immune to damage, a large portion of the back collapsed.

Were the Brotherhood Outcasts re-integrated into the East Coast BoS between 3 and 4?

>>379747367
yes

>>379746003
dyslexia, not my native language and a broke keyboard i is sorry
>>379746335
attila, king bella or are we talling austro hunns?

>>379745215
It was in the early Caliphates best interests to keep Jews and Christians alive and unconverted as they had to pay a special jizya tax that muslims did not.

It was so important actually that the Umayyad Caliphate had to make converts to Islam continue paying the tax as their entire economy was based around the jizya. If everyone converted and stopped paying the tax the whole empire would go bankrupt and collapse.

>>379747749
now to sumarise it everyone read a history book and lets enjoy the battlefront trailer

>>379732250
Muslims have been pulling this shit for literally forever

>>379745215
You are a special one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_Ottoman_Empire

>>379748035
on a final note, you can compare jizya as what we pay today in taxes for social security, the muslims had to pay them due to their religion, if the christians and jews weren't forced to pay them it would be the equivelent of jose coming over the wall working enjoying all the social security perks and never paying for taxes, was it abused by rules, absolutely. did the muslims have to introduce it or make themselves in their own country absolutely

again lets all agree to read a history book and look for the cause of the fire and not just blame the fire

Daily reminder that even though Tenpenny is a dick, Roy Philips is hypocritical monster

He even wants to wipe out Megaton just because it's filled with Smoothskins

>>379747749
I'm talking about the killingest, rapingest, conquestingest of races, of course.

>>379727545
go back to /pol/

>>379749515
Neck yourself three dog

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>>379730715

Holy fucking shit this thread is some of the gayest shit I've read in months

The worst guy is probably the one who wrote a wall of text explaining about all the "Intelligent subtext" of the quest that the comic author "obviously didn't get"

>>379747247
>It's a lot cheaper.
if its not an urban dense area, its cheaper to buy the extra territory than invest in foundations that let it go high.
>not to mention the game would feel pretty claustrophobic if you put everything in the SE of the map
not sure if I understood it correctly but why claustrophobic? if anything it will make things feel more real. like you're really in DC and not in the rural backwater area.
>The radiation in the surrounding area would've degraded its foundations so it was no longer mechanically sound, considering that the rain often takes on radioactive properties after nuclear events like that.
which would be the same for Tenpenny. even if it wasn't exposed to radiation directly (highly unlikely) it would get radioactive rain.
>Do you have a source for this? Multiple windows, wide base, would've exemplified the look of the damage and corrosion.
not on hand, but I'll try to find it. but Soviets made major public building (like Hotels) higher quality because they were suppose to double as command centers for Military and civil use in case of emergency.
>As far as I'm aware, a common complaint was that Fallout 3 had no rain at all (which I can't explain to be hoenst). I said before the building wasn't completely immune to damage, a large portion of the back collapsed.
And you really think a narrow tower like that wont collapse if the back was exposed like that and wasn't immediately repaired?

>>379730249
>more subtle and grey than most you'll see even in NV.
>still lose karma if you kill the ghouls
>grey
hahahahahahaha good joke

>>379749915
Yup, I was so sure that the memes about reddit being this awful were blown out of proportion but jesus fucking christ man.
This is another level.

>>379735804
whenever I see pictures like this I get really upset about how much America has forced itself into middle eastern affairs for the past 75 years or so.

>>379750306
>complaining about a building being standing in fallout
>in a series where you can 200+ year old tv dinners with no negative effects
>where you can find a gun thats been sitting out exposed to the elements for 200+ years and will still fire with no problems whatsoever
>where after 200+ years theres only one real city and everything else is people squatting in ruins or living in third-world shacks
>where radiation exposure is just as likely to turn you into an immortal zombie as it is to kill you

>>379737082
note the lack of cars + people camping on the street

>>379748754
>be the equivelent of jose coming over the wall working enjoying all the social security
Jose isn't at risk of enslavement and death.
They could have just used an equal taxation on all citizens.

>>379750306
>radiation
>degrading fucking concrete

>>379750306
>if its not an urban dense area, its cheaper to buy the extra territory than invest in foundations that let it go high.
It's supposed to be high though, as a "vantage point" over the surrounding area. Only the area inside the walls is actually property of Tenpenny Tower.
>not sure if I understood it correctly but why claustrophobic? if anything it will make things feel more real. like you're really in DC and not in the rural backwater area.
To provide contrast probably, if they wanted the entire game map could've consisted of metro's, high rise buildings and tight packed streets, but people already complained about that. Hence most regional varation occurs outside the inner city areas
>which would be the same for Tenpenny.
Before the war nearly all the buildings were "prepped" for impacts, considering Tenpenny is mostly a purely brick and stone foundation, with what used to be higher walls surrounding it and a thick structure as reinforcement, it's very likely this was one of the prioritised buildings in "preserving". The roof of it isn't just a thin metal sheet either, the bulbous shape assists with runoff.
>And you really think a narrow tower like that wont collapse if the back was exposed like that and wasn't immediately repaired?
We don't know when the back was exposed, that portion could've collapsed just before Tenpenny arrived, or only a certain portion, if it had metal girders already reinforcing the interior (which is likely if it was prioritised by the government). The makeshift repair was clearly done to keep the building standing.

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>>379727545
this

>This one quest is more memorable than anything in NV
how will obshitdrones recover?

>>379752473
I think calling it memorable is a stretch. No one remembers it outside of how retarded the karma loss was.

>>379751512
The thread started with the tower.

>>379752131
yeah, theres no steel in there, its 100% pure concrete, only Soviet building use steel with concrete.

>>379752473
Fallout 3 actually had decent sidequests for the most part, problem is there weren't many of them

>>379751920
that equel taxation was the point of jizya, sure it was abused by certain leaders. but if you look at ottoman europe and arab countries the ammount of muslims and christians we still have is proof that it was not the rule.

if you look at europe theres nothing left but christians so the muslim never persecuted other religions as we did

>>379752473
b-b-b-b-but the boomers tho....

muh bear and bull...

REMINDER THAT ALL GHOULS EVENTUALLY BECOME FERALS

>>379752957
>replying to yourself

>>379752736
Thread started with who was wrong.

Not an autistic fit about "RADIATION MELT CONCRETE BEAMS"

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>>379727457
The Lone Wanderer is wrong no matter what side he chooses in this quest.

>>379752948
As someone from a country that was occupied by the Ottomans a few centuries ago I think you should shut the fuck up.

>>379752738

>decent sidequests for the most part

Literally none of them stand out in my mind and I have hundreds of hours in that game across many play-throughs

Can you name some good ones? Maybe I'll actually remember, in my mind it's all just a haze of mediocrity

>>379753313
>Anzu.jpg

>>379753393
>butthurt balkanfag
No wonder you're fighting this so hard, upset that Mehmed raped your women for hundreds of years.

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>>379753313
>killing a band of murderous ghouls before they can kill people
>wrong

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>>379753590
t. Mehmet the Balkan rapebaby

>>379753413
Stealing Independence
Those
Superhuman Gambit
Wasteland Survival Guide
Oasis
Head of State

All of them I noticed had multiple outcomes or ways of achieving them

>>379753590
Mehmet literally invited balkanites to repopulate Antalia cause the bulk of the ottoman empire was a backwards shithole and they needed to drain resources from european holdings to do anything

>>379753313
>Nothing happens if lone wanderer doesn't get involved
>only winning move is not to play
bravo bethesda

That quest is actually great. For a moment, the kind of player who is a faggot that ALWAYS seeks the peaceful answer now has to deal with something that he thought it could never happen. He thought the game will always allow him to choose a paceful answer to everything.
Everyone getting triggered proves that the quest accomplished what it wanted.

>>379727457
It's ironic that /pol/ is out in force to decry a character that is more conservative than they are.

If there was a way to get the ghoul mask without having the Tenpenny residents die then I'd go that route. That item just has too much utility.

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>>379755607
>console command to get the mask
>wipe out roy and his band of killed while in rot face

>>379756042
I'm not a huge fan of using console commands, but I may have to do this on my next playthrough.

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Bethesda
>get shat on for killing murderers >>379728417

>>379756042
i suck at fighting in this game, it's too hard for me

>console command to kill everyone you're fighting
i guess that's how it's meant to be played :)

>>379732841
So if you convince everyone who stays that the ghouls are okay do they still get savagely murdered in the end?
I'd find it hard to believe that the ghouls are still supposed to be the good guys in this quest if they murder all those who came to their aid just because of old grudges.

>>379757027
Yes, anyone that didn't move out while you were attempting to warm them up to the idea of the ghouls moving in are eventually killed by Roy and his small crew of ghouls. You can even open the basement door to let in feral ghouls in order to speed up the process.

There's no way to fully assist Roy without being ok with killing the Tenpenny residents.

>>379756943
>this quest is fucking retarded
>but it's reward is good
>I wish I could kill them and get the reward
>poster finds a way to do that
>CHEATER YOU AREN'T PLAYING THE WAY IT WAS INTENDED TO BE

>>379757436
Then I have no idea how that redditor the original quote was from can claim the ghouls are at all in the right. If they just murdered those who treated them like shit all their life I can get it but this just demonstrates that they're nothing more than bloodthirsty murders.
I don't regret reverting to a save and blowing Roy's head apart now.

But I thought there was a way to make this quest so that the only person who dies in the takeover is Tenpenny and everyone else lives? Is that a thing or did I just make that up or something.

>>379757768
Roy immediately kills Tenpenny if he's alive at that point. If you come back later Roy and his crew will eventually have killed off anyone else that still lives there. You pretty much only have the option to walk away from the quest, kill Roy's group, help Roy clear out the tower with the Feral ghouls in the basement, or attempt to solve things peacefully but ultimately still end up having the residents die.

At least that's all the outcomes I can remember.

>>379730881
It was originally supposed to be in Downtown DC near Dukov's place, but someone on the team said "hey, there's nothing in the middle of this shithole so we might as well move the entire building out to some godforsaken corner of the map, right?"

>>379758029
Ghouls can eat shit then. Inserting a racism metaphor doesn't justify them slaughtering everyone, don't see how people can be on their side.

>>379727545
AD VICTORIAM

GAS ALL THE MUTIES

>>379729005
>>379729238
I think the version with the in-game text is more poignant. Nothing wrong with a little dindu nuffin nigger jokes, but the comic is about the stupid karma system and quest line in game. It has nothing to do with niggers.

>>379757675
>whaa! this game doesn't allow me to do everything in one playthrough :(

i don't know if you played New Vegas or FO4, but if you did, i'm sure you modded it to be part of every faction so you can do all the quests and avoid killing people.

>>379758802
Fallout 3 isn't worth "Experiencing it as it was meant to be". It's a mess of a game, and anyone who wants to console command their way around the wasteland is probably having more fun than anyone subjecting themselves to the game vanilla.

>The multiculturalism option leads the new group exterminating the old one
What did they mean by this?

>>379727457
>Tenpenny Towers is a utopia for its citizens
>Smelly violent Ghouls who will only drag it down want in and won't fuck off
>Ghouls play the pity card acting like they are the victims
>They are A-ok with genociding everyone inside with flesh eating feral ghouls, and laugh about it
>if you get them in peacefully, they still murder all the residents, even the ones who were ok with them

Ghouls =Muslims, Tenpenny Towers= Frist world countries.
Todd is pretty red pilled when it comes to these situations

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>tfw once in a while you cheat in Fallout 2
I love this type of rpgs but so many of them have a few quests that I could not complete without a little tip from the wiki
Like knowing where to get the voice module

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>>379729054
You got the wording on that reddit quote wrong, friend. At least, I can only hope that's what you were referencing.

>>379760905
I love the cognitive dissonance here. Tenpenny was racist, the ghouls were racist. Tenpenny didnt murder them, but the ghouls DID murder them.

It was ALREADY a metacommentary on race in general, because Bethesda are hacks that can't design a moral issue that has anything to do with something that cant have a direct connection to their real life experiences- because they are hack writers.

what is the Tenpenny Tower quest of Fallout 4?

>>379761771
Maybe that encounter where two guys look the same but one is tied and the other has a shotgun and both claim they're human while the other is the synth?

>>379727457
How did the tower survive but everything else around it turned into desert?

>>379758802
>waaahhh the retard option is the only way to get one of the most useful items in the game how dare you get it any other way!!!!!11111

I bet you think Fawks telling you to go into the purifier in the vanilla game is some stroke of writing genius.

>>379761771
Probably the Covenant quest.

You have to choose between a town that uses a quiz to determine wether people are synths or not and then they kidnap and torture them or work with some faggot mercenary who makes you do all the work just to save a merchant's daughter who's actually a synth.

>>379762950
>what is seems to be the best choice must always end up with the best outcome
where's the fun

>>379763876
>what seems to be the best choice
The best choice is having someone that won't die from any amount of radiation going into the radiation dumping room. Because they won't die.

>>379764037
i was talking about the Tenpenny tower
i agree what happens with Fawkes is retarded

>>379763876
>hey anon take this gun and shoot yourself in the head
>"lel okay if I say no then wheres the fun?"

>>379764280
>games are real life
ok

mom.
Also this game will always have a special place in my liver but it's shit stop talking about it!

tenpenny tower should have been placed adjacent dukov's place, beth only put it so far out of the way because they didn't have anything in that part of the map

>>379749515
Back to /hell/ filthy gh*ul

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>>379727457
this is a very redpilled quest, based Toddler

>>379727457
>first time playing this game
>go to tenpenny tower
>see the ghoul at the front gate hogging the intercom
>waiting for him to stop talking so I can speak to the guard and get inside so I can nuke megaton
>get tired and tear his head off with my trusty lead pipe
>MISSION FAILED
>actually do it in another playthrough and help him
>realize I was right the first time

If anything the quest really made me hate threedog.

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>>379766962
>there were people that want threedog to come back in another game

>>379766962
well, at least they let us brutally murder him.

Bethesda truly are redpilled. This shit, how redguards go around looking for women to cut their heads off, stormcloaks did nothing wrong, etcetera.

>>379735804
>Shitty countries with sectarian violence and strife
Now show all the asian countries this happened to. Oh wait, it didn't. Barring Vietnam, of course. Speaking of Vietnam, where are all the Vietnamese suicide bombers? Where are all the Christian Palestinian suicide bombers? Where were the German suicide bombers in ww2?

Oh, looks like this is a problem exclusive to Islam who are easily responsible for over 95% of all recent terror attacks (last 10 or so years) resulting in casualties, that's right: CASUALTIES. None of these bullshit "PETA spray-painted a building, "that's terrorism"-stats. Start the clock after 9/11 as you always love to do and this will still hold true.

It really just is a problem unique to Islam.

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I got no words...you got me my boy back

>>379769656
>Expose mortimer
>one of the white gloves aggros
>have to kill all the white gloves
That was a fun quest

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>>379732250
Relax, there's no reason to blow up on him.