which market got the better mech design in games ?

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Why do you ask?

>>379685179
>Try Gundam
>boring
>Try Armored Core
>complicated
>Try ZotE
>clunky
>Try Mech Warrior
>holy shit this is fucking perfect why does nobody ever talk about this?

>It's another East vs West games episode

Both look great and it depends on the game.

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>>379685314
>Gundam
>Boring

Get better taste Anon.

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Is this the /vm/ thread?
Do you boys think we'll get any new info on the Gundam Vs. western release at E3?

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>>379685314
Mechwarrior's core game is alright
but their devs waste too many devcycles on shitty rebalancing and make a big deal out of minor updates like floating text. Nobody gives a shit, give me a wholesome faction-based hexgrid territorial capture metagame with a supply/demand economy you stupid fucks

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>>379685179
The one that isn't doing both F2P and Crowdfunded/Early Access cancerous shit. So definitely not Battletech. and this is comming from someonw who grew with MechCommander and MW2+3

I'll go with Asian mech until the Western one goes to rehab and cleans himself up.

It's down to Mechwarrior vs Armored Core
I loved both

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>>379685179
yes

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Seeing as battle tech has the single greatest mech of all time, I'd have to give it to west, even though I'm typically a huge weeb.

>>379685712
why does this look so much like the Doven Wolf?

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>>379685485

>Nearly all gundam games are fucking boring beatem ups or jrpgs.
>Only decent one is Federation vs Zeon or Gundam vs Zeta gundam.

To be honest I played the real gundam game already, the slant eyes will never make a sim game with first person in mind. Their souls are weighted down by earths gravity. That and the fucking slant eyes can't aim for shit without a camera lock system.

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>>379685314

>being complicated is bad

I'm surprised a normie would like Mechwarrior.

>>379685314
I like armored core back when it wasn't just dash monsters

who /tank treads/ here?

>>379685906
Oh shit remember the Starsiege game before Tribes?

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>>379686059

Do you even Compendium, the largest game manual of all time?

>>379686116
I don't even compendium

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>>379685842

Dragon is one of the ugliest mechs imo but I still respect your taste.

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>>379686224

It's a good read.

>>379685314
>ZotE
>clunky

Try ZoE 2.

>>379685295
I'd fuck it

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>>379685179
There's no such thing as a Western mech

Western artists swiped their mecha artstyle from Anime

>>379686602

Now show us the stolen madcat.

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>>379685842
Dragon is cute in its own kind of fucked up way, but, as someone who actually played Mechwarrior Online back in the open and closed betas, its fuckhuge Jew nose made the mech a deathtrap, since you could hit its nose, which counts as CT, pretty much from any angle apart from the back.

Also, the best MWO mech design is the Highlander, it's simply perfection. I hope Battletech gives us the Highlander, especially since it's an old Inner Sphere design.

Oh, and weebshit mecha designs are universally shit. Good thing MW franchise finally got rid of all the weebshit with MWO designs.

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>mech fans fighting eachother instead of uniting as a genre

Do you people want to be overtaken by the shooters and visual novels? Their love of online achievements and waifus unites them, while our petty differences separate us. It's time for that to end.

>>379686550
>There's no such thing as a Western mech
After the release of MWO, there is. All the nipnog trash has finally been purged from the franchise.

I really, really love me some Battletech, but the fucks in charge of it are gonna fuck it all up, almost for certain, with the new Mercenaries game, just like they did with MWO.

>>379686798
Western Waifus are crap, Eastern Waifus are better!

>Have no idea what mechwarrior is like
>watch an lp of 4
Jesus fuck this is cool

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Gotta go with the ones that have art by Shinkawa.

>>379685179
>>379685295
>>379685712
Those are some sexy legs.

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>>379686972

I would suggest starting with 3, its basically survival horror with giant robots.

>>379686972
You get get mechwarrior 4: mercenaries for free, since its abandonware. The battletech thread on /vg/ i think has a link to it, and other things. Its a great fucking game

>>379686872
It's still inherently weeaboo.
"western" mech aesthetics are artless imitations of various Real Robot aesthetics.

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>>379685179
I like mechs that look like modern era tanks, just made into walking robots instead. So Western I guess...

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>>379687114
As we've just explained, there's no such thing as a western mecha

"Walking tank robot" as an aesthetic was swiped from Real Robot animes

>>379686798
Will we ever have missions like that again? Will we ever have AC again?

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>>379687097
>It's still inherently weeaboo.
No, it's not. First of all, only a small part of the Battletech designs are weebshit inspired and, after the release of MWO, even those weebshit inspired designs either already got or will get drastic redesigns that will make them non-shit. Pic very much related.

>>379687449
>it looks more utilitarian because the cockpit has lower visibility and the limbs have less range of motion xD

>>379687449
>only a small part of the Battletech designs are weebshit inspired

100% of Battletech designs are weeaboo inspired.
Their original designs were brazen theft, and their "original" designs still borrow heavily from anime.

Giant robots are weeaboo through and through, adding more greebling doesn't change that.

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>>379685314
>try Mech Warrior 3
>run around the empty 3dfx world and try to zap one running mech to death for 5 minutes

no thanks I'll stick to creepy ass weeaboo pedo chink stuff like armored core

>>379687319
>there's no such thing as a western mecha

The Unseen are only a smart part of the Battletech mech roster, you shit-eating weebcuck.

>When FASA created the Battledroids boardgame in 1984 that would become BattleTech, the designers licensed the rights from Twentieth Century Imports (TCI) to use certain pre-existing mecha from the Japanese anime series' The Super Dimension Fortress Macross, Fang of the Sun Dougram and Crusher Joe. These were then used as visual representation of several BattleMechs and other units within the BattleTech universe, under new BattleTech-specific names and with BattleTech game stats devised entirely by FASA.
>several BattleMechs and other units

The number of Unseens is very small compared to the overall Mechwarrior and Battletech unit roster, so no, you are wrong and are talking out of your weebcuck ass.

>>379687706
>100% of Battletech designs are weeaboo inspired.
Wrong, dumbfuck. See >>379687779

>>379687779
>The number of Unseens is very small compared to the overall Mechwarrior and Battletech unit roster

Irrelevant, they're still swiping the Real Robot aesthetic when they make """original""" designs and they're still heavily inspired by Japanese animes

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>>379687319
real mechas dont have heads

>this autismal shitflinging
Ah yes, a reminder of why mech-shit will never be popular. Too magnetic to autists, who scare away based normals.

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Do these count as mechs?

>>379685906
Gundam versus
is based on the 7 year old arcade game and looks amazing

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>>379685314
ZotE for PS2 was fast af compared to everything else at the time

>tfw xbox live for the first time

>>379685485
You know what else is fucking great? The gundam game for the ps3, holy shit. The only problem I had with that game was it felt like my guys armor was made of clay

>>379685994
>Play first Amored Core
>Dash nonstop
???

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>>379688019
I couldn't disagree more.

>>379686979
These make the most sense with the angles on the legs being bullet deflecting angles, as with most of the other tapers on the mechs. I don't get why everyone draws them boxy as fuck as that only adds surfaces for total impact.

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>>379686798
Mecha + Visual Novel can be a good match, though.

>>379685179
mech warrior 2 lone wolf was art.
mech warrior online is good but sadly has pay to win features

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>>379688001
>Irrelevant, they're still swiping the Real Robot aesthetic
First of all, even the original Battletech roster on launch consisted mostly of original designs with the designs that would alter become the Unseen constituting only a part of the roster. Secondly, MWO redesigns of original designs are nowhere near any of the weebshit trash and the same applies to the Unseen MWO redesigns.

So, again, you're talking out of your putrid weebcuck asshole.

>>379688184
>He never played S.L.A.I. or Phantom Crash
Wew.

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>>379688342
blood asp was best mech

>>379688342
What about living legends?

>>379688385
>steal weeaboo design
>add greebling

This is the exact opposite of original and you're only prooving my point.

MWO is literally a bunch of deviantart tier donut steels.

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>>379685179
I like both Gundam and Armored Core, not to mention MechWarrior 3 which was my first touch in in mech games.

Muv-Luv mechs are my favourite designs though. They are really visually pleasing in my eyes. Its a shame there isnt games where I can use them.

>>379688417
>4 years later
W E W

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Zoids were the coolest mechs.

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>>379685179
Japan, mostly due to the variety.
"Western" mechs are stuck to the tanks on legs design, while Japanese mechs has almost everything

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>>379688184
The Xbox is simply the GOAT mecha console.

>Mechassault 1 & 2
>Phantom Crash
>Steel Battalion
>Murakumo
>Metal Wolf Chaos

>>379688223
Pacific Rim 2 when?

>>379688481
>This is the exact opposite of original
So why won't anyone then sue PGi for "stealing" those designs? Oh, yeah, because the redesigns are nowhere near close to the original weebshit trash designs and anyone trying to claim the opposite would be laughed out of court. But you can believe they are similar, weebcuck, same way you can believe than the nipnog dogshit designs are anywhere near being good, LMAO.

>>379688538
I loved this fucker and Liger Zero's various modes.

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>>379688502
Exteel borrowed a few elements

Shame it died.

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>>379685906
>the slant eyes will never make a sim game with first person in mind.

Sudoku yourself.
Steel Battalion is Japanese.
Steel Battalion is first-person oriented.
Steel Battalion is the single most authentic mech simulator ever made.

>>379688417
>mfw own original copies of both

Phantom Crash is just so much better. It has 3 maps only, but S.L.A.I. has obvious slow downs(from porting it to a console that has literally a fraction of the power of a PS2), and a much shittier story. In Phantom Crash people ride the mechs and get fucked up during matches, but in S.L.A.I. everything has been pussified and they're all remote controlled instead.

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>implying western mech design exists

anyway, claim your headfu

>>379688614
Soon™
February 2018 apparantly

>>379686872
>After the release of MWO, there is.

>Stop ripping off Macross.
>Adopt modern Gundam aesthetic.

You are a special kind of retard, aren't you? Alex Iglesias is a weeb who got his current style from Gundam guidebooks.
Heck, he straight up copied several weapon designs like the medium lasers straight from the book.

>>379688556
mah nigga
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyhPLopSWiQ

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>>379688502
>Its a shame there isnt games where I can use them.
Never ever ever ever.

>>379688502
So from what I understand this is taken from a series called Muv-Luv which is an H-game. Why are the best mechs from an H-game?

>>379688502
My brother from another mother. How I crave for a Muv Luv game. But not some kind of 3rd person shooter, but something which focuses on tactics, survival and the fight against a superior foe. Like in the Starship Troopers movie.

Also, the Phantom/Gekishit might be near useless, but I still love its design.

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>>379688828
>Heck, he straight up copied several weapon designs like the medium lasers straight from the book.
leave it be, battletech fags will never admit that anyway. they are too insecure for that to happen

>>379688828
>Adopt modern Gundam aesthetic.
Wrong, MWO designs look nothing like Gundam trash.

>who got his current style from Gundam guidebooks.
Then why do the MWO designs look nothing like nipnog trash?

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>>379688769
monoeye best

>>379688769
Mono

>>379688769
I want em all.

>>379688710
I've only ever emulated S.L.A.I. and I wasn't big on it, but I played the shit out of Phantom Crash as a kid. I'm about to grab an Xbox emulator to play it too.

>>379688769
Monoeye covered by twin eye covered by visor covered by sensor mask

>>379688624
Have you heard the phrase "derivative work" before?

>>379688938
Well considering how VNs are made, it makes a lot of sense. There a few people who specialized in something, for example mecha design. These guys are good and get recruited to do various stuff, from anime to manga, to vidya. Sometimes, they get roped into doing the mecha design for a VN.

>>379688769
I'd want them all, but monoeye if one. I like that imposing demeanor.

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>>379688945
Eh, most people are decent.
It's just a few idiots who stick out... case in point, Barneyfag/Lee is one of the people always shitting up these threads.

>>379689171
Derivative is too big a word for him, he's retarded.

>>379688984
>Zakus hate him! Get buff with only a few scrap parts. Click here to learn how!

>>379688769
Depends on the rest of the mech. I like Visor and Sensor, if they're just the heads though.

I like big, chunky mechs.

>>379688945
I know two irl and they're cool dudes. Just this one guy in the thread seems hyper aggressive for some reason.

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>>379688939
Muv Luv wouldn't make a very good strategy game. It's canon and explained that the BETA are ultimately incapable of tactical and strategical thought, the only reason they're winning is because of lasers and insanely fast replication of themselves.

>>379689156
>xbox emulator
No such thing exists, and will ever exist.

>>379688938
Muv Luv is the best piece of science fiction ever written. It had porn in the original release, but it's insignificant compared to the length and quality of the game's plot.

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>>379689171
Have you heard the phrase: "you are talking out of your putrid ass and have no argument" before? You can think whatever the fuck you want, dumbfuck, I'm not here to persuade weebcucks like you, I'm here to laugh at how shit the nipnog designs are and remind you that the Western mech designs are not only different, which is something any court would agree on, but also superior to weebshit trash in every way.

>>379689350
>Western mech designs

No such thing, as has already been demonstrated.

>>379689331
I don't mean a true strategy game, merely that strategy is somehow involved. I actually like the turnbased gamey that came with the spinoffs, but I hope its mechanics could be translated into a real-time/action game.

>>379689184
If I remember right, Yoshimune Kouki who created Muv-Luv is also the main designer of those mechs.

>>379689331
A Maburavu strategy game exists and it is 1980s nintendo hard.

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>>379688978
How would west make an alligator mech?

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>>379689196
>Eh, most people are decent.
well considering where we are, chances are -not so much
but yeah, most mecha fans overall pretty chill
>>379689323
threads with him usually degrade quickly. a shame
I wonder how does it feel to live in constant fear of White Devil

Titanfall 2 has good mechs that feel good.
Most Japanese mech games tend to have boring combat

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>>379688502
The best

>>379689350
"Derivative work" in this case means "compiled from works before it." That is to say, you can pick any BattleTech mech and find it's defining elements in Japanese media before the conception of the BattleTech mech in question. You can do this with any BT mech. Prove me wrong.

Also don't misunderstand me, I love BT. But come on.

>>379688769
>claim your headfu
What's the difference in functionality?
Mono looks cool, but I'm guessing your field of view is much smaller than the others.

>>379689331
There are two that sort of work, both attempting different methods, high and low level emulation. Neither are 100% though, obviously. Gotta give it a shot though.

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>>379689687
>functionality
I don't understand the question

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Reminder that Damascus Gears: Saikyou Exodus came out on Vita a month ago and it's fun as fuck, if you want a portable Armored Diablo get it, it's only 2K Yen and it's fun as fuck.

>>379689490
I guess some men are just above others in multiple fields.

>>379689671
Im fine with completely ripping off something if you do it even better.

Take axiom verge for example.

>>379689806
That's great, but not what we are discussing (and also highly debatable). What we were discussing is that there is no such thing as a "Western Mech," which you seem to have capitulated to. With that, I leave this shit excuse for a /m/ /v/ hybrid thread.

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>>379688502
Type-94 Shiranui is my waifu

>>379689764
Is it translated tho

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Is there any chance of this being good?

>>379689753
kek

>>379689417
>No such thing
Except that exactly the opposite has been demonstrated. Again, just for inbred imbeciles like you, let me recap:
1. Battletech (actually, the franchise that would alter become Battletech) launched with both original designs and designs that were licensed from nipnog franchises.
2. These nipnog licensed designs were only a fraction of overall designs that constituted the roster on launch.
3. Your claims about japshit designs being stolen is false, because the designs were licensed. Legal problems arose when it was found out later that FASA licensed the designs from people who, arguably, had no right to license those designs in the first place.
4. The original Battletech designs (not the licensed ones) look nothing like weebshit trash.
5. The original Battletech mech redesigns for MWO look nothing like weebshit garbage.
6. The MWO redesigns for those japshit licensed designs look nothing like weebshit trash.

So, in the end, everything you post is literally false. You haven't posted a single argument yet or piece of evidence, just your retarded shit opinion and outright lies, but, again, dumbfuck, I'm not here to persuade you, I'm here to laugh at your retardation and the shitty nipnog trash designs.

>>379690072
>designs that were licensed
Stolen*

There was a lawsuit.
They lost.

The remaining "original" designs were still heavily inspired by anime, and BattleTech wouldn't exist without that inspiration.

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>>379689970
>2017
>Not knowing japanese

The first one got localized, so maybe the second one will, but for now there's no news regarding a localization.

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>>379689997
This shit must be the weirdest cross-over in the history of video games.

>>379689932
Mechaphiles never fail to impress me.

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just ignore this faggot, holy crap
and go buy SRW V, you gundam weaboos

also Gundam Versus trial phase today at 9 pm JP time - no PS+ needed

>>379690190
>They lost.
Wrong, both sides settled out of court. So, again, you're posting outright lies.

>During a series of lawsuits FASA found out that TCI, from whom FASA's rights to the images derived, might not have been in a legal position to provide these rights to FASA in the first place. However, this was ultimately never decided. The lawsuits were settled out of court in 1996.

>The remaining "original" designs were still heavily inspired by anime
It's OK to have a shit opinion, just don't spout your retarded shit opinion without proof. Some people believe Santa Clause exists, you can believe that "The remaining "original" designs were still heavily inspired by anime". Until you have factual proof, your shit opinion is nothing more than another reason for me to laugh at your retardation.

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>>379690072
>Battletech (actually, the franchise that would alter become Battletech) launched with both original designs and designs that were licensed from nipnog franchises.

You're not only retarded, you're also a kid.
Lad, I was there when the first box released.
It was all Macross and shit. Battledroids HAD NO OTHER mechs other than the Japanese ones when it came out. It took a few years before they started adding other ones and they were usually just slightly modified designs of the original ones.

Go ask your elders if you don't believe me since you clearly couldn't even wear diapers when we watched the old imported VHS tapes from Japan and found this fun little game that allowed us to play with them.

I like whichever Mechs have the big cannons. And those group lasers that always fire off in parallel. And multiple explosions that happen due to said lasers, delayed explosions and explosions that explode into a circle. And I love them all even more when they have the checklist before them.
Bonus points for the cannon just being an oversized regular gun, in the same vein as the Train Gun in Lost Planet 2.

Never cared much for the stories though, which is sad.

>>379690285
>Gundam weeaboo
What was the original? "Gundam otaku"?

>>379689473
>ywn orbit dive into hopeless battles
>ywn cover your buddy while he obtains depleted uranium rounds froma supply container
>ywn shout "wing double five" into your headset and have 7 of your buddies answer 「了解。」
>ywn infiltrate sadogashima hive with unconventional squad compositions like 4 strike vanguards and 4 impact guards
>ywn detonate your s11

>>379690479
>settled out of court
i.e. they lost and were embarrassed about it

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Muh mechfu.

Mechs like Gundam just look too busy to me. "Realistic" mechs look too boring. And humanoid anime mechs often barely look like mechs at all. REX seems to have the right balance for me.

>>379690553
don't recall honestly, something more mundane like gundam person (gundam no hito)
not the good translation on this part, but I'm sure Bamco SEA did so for purpose, cause aside of this lil' bit SRW V English Asia release is pretty damn good

>>379690696
for shit and giggles purpose

>>379690556
>you will never play on an international server
>you will never be admonished by the admin to speak English
>you will never shout into all open channels: ENGLISH CAN EAT SHIT

>>379690285
post the webm

>>379689350
>make every shape a box and add 100000000000 greebles
>reduce the range of limb movement for added realism
>"superior"

>>379687084
Although it's kinda hard to find a legit vanilla mercs with two expansions, you almost guaranteed to get the kek tek pack, and while extra ~50 mechs are good and there are some new guns to play with it still makes some odd balance changes that drastically differ from vanilla game.

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>>379690868
now go and buy SRW V
do it for her

>>379690939
I'll have to get the vita version.

>>379690628
So, in other words, no theft occurred and you are full of shit? It's OK, now I know you're not only a weebcuck with shit taste, but also a dishonest, lying piece of shit with shit taste. Not surprising at all, since you have to be scum to like weebshit in the first place.

>>379690523
Next time you try pretending being an "oldfag" and knowing anything about the franchise, try not stealing pictures from Sarna, you fucking mongoloid. Secondly, the Merlin is not an Unseen, so you are factually wrong. Thus, we have another lying piece of weebcuck trash, not surprising.

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>>379690556
Out of all video game universes, Muv Luv must be one of the least appealing ones to live within. People in the Alternative universe get drafted into the military at age 14, nobody except Eishis know what meat tastes like, everything that is non-essential was never developed because resources went 100% into military development, 5/6 of humanity is dead, and all waifus end up dead.

You'd have a better life living in the Warhammer 40k universe.

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>>379689687
The monoeye was popularized by gundam, where the bad guy mechs have that style
In gundem, the head holds the main cameras, but there are other cameras all over the body
This is how later mobile suits get their panoramic cockpit

>>379690651
Patrician.

post feminine giant robots

>>379685179

I like the eastern designs for smaller and agile "humanoid" units, and the bulky western ones for the really huge, lumbering war machines.

Any series that sorta combine the 2 for variety?

>the state of /m/
It saddens me

>>379691026
>Next time you try pretending being an "oldfag" and knowing anything about the franchise, try not stealing pictures from Sarna, you fucking mongoloid. Secondly, the Merlin is not an Unseen, so you are factually wrong. Thus, we have another lying piece of weebcuck trash, not surprising.

I see, you're one of those idiots fit for military school.
We're talking about art here and there was none for that thing. IIRC, it was just a demonstration of how to make your own spreadsheet.

>>379691267
Super Robot Wars
You can have Gundams, Mazinger, Tekkaman, Getter Robo, EVA, Detonator Orgun, more Gundams, Xabungle&Co, Aestivalis, you fucking name it, it has at least one game in which it appears

>>379688502
I really like how "normal" muv-luv TSF's feel. None of them have any super powers or use things like beam sabers. Most of them except for maybe TSA units are very fragile. Single burst from 36mm is enough to bust one, not to mention old ass RPG 70 being enough to destroy even most advanced one.

It all comes to pilot skill with these.

>>379691267
Armored Core and Front Mission for sure.

>western mechs
You're retarded. All mechs are inherently Japanese.

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>>379691202
im such a fucking degenerate

>>379685179
I like my mechs thicc and tank-like, but I can appreciate a good humanoid mecha

>>379691628
looks like a medabot

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>>379691202

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Is Metal Gear Rex the perfect marriage of both mech styles.
It has a really mechanical, weighty and believable western military feel to it, but at the same time the animalistic look and design that only comes from eastern mechs.

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Heavy Gear 3 when?

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>>379691404
>schwarzesmarken anime scene where rebels take out giant mechs in the street by firing RPGs from the window of buildings

MLA universe is all about surviving and killing as many batters as you can before dying. They can't catch you, so they don't need armor at all. Isumi's presentation after you get commissioned talks about this, from how first generation machines were slow and armored, but that never helped at all.

>>379691861
It absolutely is perfect in every way.

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>>379685485
https://youtu.be/56lDnaaI3R8
i like.

>>379691861
Yeah, I'm a battletech fan but metal gear rex is pretty nice.
Metal gear ray isn't nearly as good.

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>>379692182
>Metal gear ray isn't nearly as good.

That was the whole point. Metal Gear Ray was supposed to be this shitty mass produced knock-off (as a parody of the endless hordes of shitty MGS knockoffs between MGS1 and MGS2).

But you can fucking spar with it so all is forgiven.

>>379691837
cute but the short bright lines on the head ruin it

>>379688769
Visor or Sensor head. I am of the strict belief that Brave style heads should only be fitted on thicc as hell Super Robots

>>379692310
I never played Rising, is it any good?

>>379688769
Sensor mask looks cool but what mechas have it?

>>379691915
During coup detat and in TDA it sure shows how fragile TSF's are against each other.

Also, some of those beta hive locations in that picture are completely wrong. Not the first picture where I see Japan being this good at geography.

>>379691904

it's actually in development supposedly, but it looks like shit

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I'd been meaning to get back into MWLL, thanks for the reminder.

>>379692384
It's great. The gameplay is slightly less varied than in Bayonetta but it makes up for it by allowing you to do all sorts of absolutely mind-blowing cyborg ninja shit (you can take down a chopper by shooting it with a rocket... or running up the missiles it's firing at you to slice up its rotor wings and down it that way) as well as the hypest soundtrack this side of Libra Me From Hell.

>>379692431
That map is taken from the game. The very beginning when Yuuko-sense asks you about your world's history, and then she tells you how the MLA timeline differs from the normal world's.

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>>379692402
something like this maybe?

>>379691052
That's pretty cool. Though somewhat impractical.

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>>379692647
Its been some time since I read ML. But I think this is much more accurate picture. Especially when looking at those hives in Europe.

>>379685179
I just want normal mech and female pilot

>>379692592
I've had it in my steam inventory for years now but never bothered playing it, will check it out. Thanks for the recommendation.

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>>379690651
>"Realistic" mechs look too boring.
I think "realistic" mechs can be very aesthetically pleasing.

>>379693046
Maybe I'm an idiot, but the designs on Hawken looked really nice for me.

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I love all mecha designs.

>>379686725
Holy fuck the reseen marauder looks so much better. The original macross ripoff design being a 75 tonne heavy mech looked so fucking goofy and disproportionate.

>>379686765
>Oh, and weebshit mecha designs are universally shit. Good thing MW franchise finally got rid of all the weebshit with MWO designs.

I really wish they'd do away with the fists and hands too.

If i am getting it correctly, the whole Battletech thing was supposed to be a big game with mechs from various franchises all together?
In other words, Super Robot Wars before Banpresto?

>>379685179
>equaling Mecha with Mecha Musume

>>379693381
No, it's a single universe with borrowed designs from Macross and Dougram.

>>379693046
Votoms are probably some of the least realistic designs from a "basic physics" and practicality standpoint; they just seem like they're realistic because they're drawn to look poorly manufactured and beat up.

I miss Chrome Hounds

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100% original western mech passing through

>>379693196
Only correct opinion in this thread.

>>379693381
Back in the 80s some guy who was a huge fan of mecha but didn't like the angsty teen plot of shows like gundam got the rights to use designs from macross and such to make his own game and universe from, much in the same way that they licenced japanese transforming toys to make transformers.

A bunch of lawsuits, bad business choices, and a billion licencing issues, it evolved into the most painfully mismanaged IPs of all time.

Its a great mecha setting for people who aren't fans of teen angst and fanservice.

>>379685179
i like both but they're different styles of gameplay, not just visuals
if i had to choose a side to stick with forever i'd choose west, but im really keen on both

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>>379685179
Not only did the west do it best, they did it first.

>>379693357
No way.

We're getting melee back in the new battletech game.

The hands have a purpose, its just the games were never able to get mecha melee combat right.

>>379692567
I need to try that anon, tell us how alive it is.

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>>379685906
>Only decent one is Federation vs Zeon or Gundam vs Zeta gundam
Lurk more

>>379692310
>That was the whole point.
You know he is talking about aesthetics, most likely?

>>379685179
Do you know that half of the old Mechwarrior mechs are from 80s anime, right?

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>>379685179
That's not a mech on the right. This is one though.

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>>379685179
>tfw love eastern and western mecha
I don't see why everything has to be east vs west almost all the times with you guys. Mecha in general is cool as fuck.

>>379694043
It's kind of amazing to think that when Wells wrote that novel in 1897 the tripods were so powerful that they were almost invincible, but the 40s they were weak at best and by the 60s they would have gotten stomped so hard that the war would have been over by dinner time. Military tech has moved pretty fucking fast in the last 120 years.

>>379694135
I've just never liked hands on 'realistic' robots. Give them spikes or hydraulics rams if you want to, but not hands or battle axes or whatever.

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>>379694043
We need more War of the Worlds vidya where you can do battle with the tripods

>>379694510
In EDF you can battle Tripods, with Stompy mechs & sanic fast mechs.

>>379685179
its asian but i like you're attempt to make the west look better lol

>>379694570
>mech
>fast
this is the worst thing ever

>>379685179
I dont think its fair to compare the two. Western mechs are always militaristic or steampunk or some kind of combination of those two. Japanese mechs do that but they also get into stuff the west considers silly or stupid, such as op's pic. Both have the potential to be good, it just depends on how the material is handled.

>>379694451
On Muv Luv, mechs have arms because they actually handle giant rifles and daggers the size of a small house. The enemy aliens come in swarms of dozens of thousands, and it all depends on whether you have enough ammo to shoot them all down before they overrun your position. They scatter resupply pods around the battlefields, and people are expected to drop their weapons and pick up a dead ally's weapon to keep firing, if they have to. Each member in a squad has a different loadout, depending on their position as well.

Also, the holders that hold the weapons in place can be controlled and and fired from, so if you really have to you can put one on each shoulder, one on each hand, and quad-wield the guns.

>>379685179
I like a crossover, Western Mech bodies with Eastern designs.

>>379694451
>I've just never liked hands on 'realistic' robots.

Hands are realistic in such a way that if you can choose between having them and not having them, the former is the obviously superior choice.

They're one of the most utilitarian tools in existence. Both gun arms and real arms work, the former is just more fit for more tech-backwards settings (like Wh40k). We can almost make them exactly as dexterous in reality today, while we could strap and aim a gun as early as 1950-60s (basically whenever first non-hand cranked naval guns came into service).

>>379692567
<<8492th squadron doesn't exist>>

>>379694510
There was an RTS game where you get to fight them with an entire WW1-tier British army. Or you could play as the ayys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqJCBGNJWxc&t
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mfd95Lo_Ni4&t

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Titans > AEUG

Eastern mech has more variety so eastern mech.

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>>379694451
>I've just never liked hands on 'realistic' robots.
Not all Battletech mechs have hands that can be used for anything useful, so you're right. An Atlas, for example, can tear out lampposts or trees out of the ground and use them as makeshift clubs or just grab hold of enemy weapons, if he can get close enough. A metal hunchback, however, has literally useless t-rex arms and hands that cannot be used for anything remotely threatening, only for utility purposes that are reflected in the lore only.

>>379694971
>best_girl.jpg
>she

>>379695004
Because it's a rip off feature from eastern designs.

>>379695004
Also, I'm speaking from visual design POV here only, since any mech with arms can do melee in tabletop, I think.

Why the fuck do people even post Mechwarrior when a western franchise i.e. Warhammer 40K has better designs by far?

>>379695015
She's a beautiful prototype with a very feminine front vernier.

>>379688184
The mech assaults were not very good mechwarrior games. The formula didnt translate well onto console, so they changed the whole formula from being what was basically a somewhat realistic strategy game into a very fast paced run and gun game with lots of 'splosions.
1 was shit, but 2 was actually pretty fun, it just wasnt a mechwarrior game.

>>379695085
Because Battletech games has mechs you can pilot and WH40k doesn't?

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Name one (1) tank that could defeat the Ares 90.

>>379695085
Name me one WH40K that allows you to actually pilot a mech from inside the cockpit.

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>small small chance we might get an Armored Core announcement at E3

>also possibly an EDF5 western release announcement

>>379695169
Battletech the game is just a strategy on the table top.
>>379695212
I thought we are speaking about designs, not whether you are able to play as one?

QUICK PICK ONE AND ONLY ONE
1. Lots of parts and crazy min-maxing possible
2. Lots of parts but everything is kinda the same
3. Only a few well balanced parts
4. Only weapon swapping, mechs are very destinct from each other
5. You get one mech and upgrade him over the course of the game like in a classical RPG

>>379693357
I always thought having hands on a mech was kind of dumb. I think melee weapons on a mech in general is silly, but it is cool looking. Whats that one mech that carries a disposable shield and axe? I always thought it was cool visually.

>>379695191
Easy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYHI9RXYhAg

>>379695297
3.

>about to ask who is your favourite mech pilot
>drop the idea because thread would probably turn into waifu/husbando posting

>>379695339
The concept of mech is dumb in general, why not have hands?

>>379690269
This always bugged me, because fuck mirrors, use diffraction and other properties of lasers to fuck em. Y.T. Minovsky shows us the way

But I get that like 99.9% of people haven't done laser science before and it's fucking weird.

>>379695297
1

>>379695339
>run out of ammo
>no melee weapon
>get eaten by aliens

>>379695107
It wasn't a MechWARRIOR game because it was a MechASSAULT game.
They didn't play anything on people, they just made a few great games all the spergs are up in arms about because they apparently can't read.

If it was called Mechwarrior 5, Mechwarrior:XboX edition or something of the sort? Fire away.
But stop shitting on games that have nil to do with it.

Also, Mechwarrior and Mechassault are both just arcade shooters. One is a 3D shoot-em-up, the other is just a modernized version of Battlezone and its peers.

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The Ronin's sword is yours, /vm/.

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>>379695297
Lots of parts and crazy min-maxing.

t. Phantom Crash fan

>>379695191
The answer is always Demonbane.

>>379695395
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVLuq6grXsM

The main problem with western design is there's very few western designers that take the approach the Eastern artists classically did when designing mecha which was to study the functionality of machines and then incorporate functionality as a key element. The big exception to this being Syd Mead, and it's why all his shit looks fucking real.

>>379695702
Syd Mead shit is nice to look at but there's nothing practical about his shit.

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>>379693196
would you?

>>379692032
Zeonic Front rules because it's actually a tactical shooter wearing the skin of a mecha game.

>>379695763
There is, like look at the placement of the center of gravity, he thinks about a lot of the functionality.

>>379695813
That's basic goddamn shit.

If you follow the humanoid shape, it's pretty hard to mess that up.

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>>379695702
>thick legs to support metal body

And what else?

>>379695420
You don't need anything fancy to fuck up lasers. The same principles that the Russians use for their anti top attack ATGM active protection system will fuck up any laser in principle. In short, all you need are aerosol grenades filled with a mixture of ceramic and metal particles that create a cloud impenetrable to infrared and radio waves. Lasers firing into such a cloud would lose pretty much all of their efficiency and would not be able to vaporize any sort of metal or ceramic armor. This tech is something that already exists, all you need to do to make a tank, for example, laser immune is to adjust the aerosol mixture composition to protect you from ultraviolet and/or X-ray waves, depending on what kind of lasers you're fighting against.

Meanwhile, kinetic weapons would have no problem firing from the cloud by using external targeting data.

>>379695862
Yet 99.9% of things don't even consider it.

I've seen his design process he looks at all this shit and then goes from there when making it fantastical. And it shows. Also the time he spent working for ford shows. If you've never seen any of his rough sketches they're worth looking for.

>>379686226
the madcat mk II is actually the best mech but I have some love for the catapult

>>379694570
>EDF
>Fast mechs
Name one outside the drones

>>379695879
I could actually go dig out my copy of MEAD GUNDAM for his turn X design studies. If I can find where I put it.

>>379695973
Has he made any real fucking products?

>>379688876
Knights of Sidonia?

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>>379694838
Hands on mechs only make sense in the context of the mech using its hands to interact with the environment and for a giant mech, there's not going to much that you ever need to grab onto.
Using hands on giant mech to hold weapons makes zero sense, because its vastly more efficient to build the weapon into the arm or have a universal adapter and clip on modules as needed. If the gun is physically attached the to arm you can run ammo, power and coolant to the gun through the internal structure of the mech, plus you can armor the whole thing if necessary.
Forcing the mech to grab a weapon via a hand makes the weapon way less effective and means that the mech itself is going to be a lot more fragile and heavy compared to if the gun was just on the arm.

It's the same principle as hardpoint pylons on attack aircraft.

>>379695339
I don't know about the shield, but axman has an axe (and also looks pretty dumb).

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Axman

>>379695004
>Not all Battletech mechs have hands that can be used for anything useful, so you're right.

Do any battletech mechs really have useful hands, though? There aren't any battle mechs that can actually reach the ground with their hands, so its not like they can really use them for utilitarian purposes like moving gear or loading ammo and I can't imagine hitting anything other than the lightest of light mechs with a tree would do anything. To me it always felt like hands were a weebshit hold over that they were just reluctant to get rid of during the redesigns.

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>>379687750

Mechwarrior came out before casual normies thought they were gamers so I'm not surprised you're shit at it.

>>379688939
In my wildest dreams I always thought they could make it an armored core clone except your mecha is mostly made of paper and surviving combat comes down to how efficiently you can eliminate the BETA while staying alive.

Just imagine being in the thick of it, dodging tank-class BETA and shit when suddenly you get the laser-type BETA alarm and you have to locate and destroy them immediately before you and the rest of your squad is dead, all the while dodging other BETA and trying your best to not be completely overwhelmed.

I wish they would make an ML:A game based after the events of the story where humanity goes on the offensive.

>>379696028
He designed cars for ford.

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>>379695702
hilarious that the best gundam was designed by a gaijn

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>>379685179
>tfw found out that Japs have been moe-ifyng mecha with cute girls since the 80s

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We can all agree missiles are the best mech weapons, right?

>>379696119
Any example?

>>379696238
I'm sure you meant railguns, Anon.
It's okay, everyone makes mistakes.

>>379696238
>Using hands on giant mech to hold weapons makes zero sense
If you want to ruin games, sure. Missiles are the single most unfun weapon ever. I've survived the LRMpocalypse in MWO beta as a non-missile mech by being a PPC boat,
hue, I know what I'm talking about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ffFTwxI_r0

>>379696052
>mech outta fucking nowhere

>>379685485
>1st person gundam

I wish bandai/Namco would do this more

I know people want to see the gundams but ffs the series is old as fuck you've seen the RX-78 and Zaku enough to know them from memory I want good inside cockpit views because you RARELY see that in the animes or games and it's more immersive

just make a battlefront/field gundam already

>>379696238
Nah, sword is.

>>379696351
>Using hands on giant mech to hold weapons makes zero sense
Fuck, I didn't want to quote this.

>>379696040
Who said anything about forcing your primaries to be hand-held?
I'm just saying that for what it's worth, you can choose between an arm that can only shoot bullets and an arm that can shoot bullets and pick up supplementary weapons, carry around equipment, open shit with hydraulic power, carry people,...

It's an effective force multiplier with minimal disadvantages.
Attack aircraft has pylons, but you can bet your ass if they could engineer a solution that would re-arm the things whilst in the air (give or take decent fuel capacity) so they could carry out multiple sorties before heading back to base on a lengthy resupply cooldown, they would do so.

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>>379696157
>turn a
>best
How can anyone have an opinion so acceptable

>>379696040
I think it was one of them asian style mechs

Its been a really long time since i fucked with battletech so I can remember

>>379685179

Asian mech ofc, boobs and thighs, but before all that- a female riding a giant mechanized battle suit. I think ZOE2 was a good example of the perfect Mech concept.

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>>379695939
They use anti-laser clouds in Muv Luv. They basic anti-hive strategy is to fire rounds full of that dust, which the ayyyys will effectively shoot down, spreading the anti-laser cloud over them. The problem is that this cloud dissipates eventually, and the BETA are absolutely perfect machines. If the TSF(in-game name for the mechs) jumps over the height of the tallest BETA in the area, all the lasers in the area will immediately lock on him.

There's no way you can use it as armor, though. That energy has to go somewhere, and it's strong enough to melt through a mech in a split second. Nothing will survive it.

In-universe, the heavier battleships have anti-laser armor, but at best they can handle a few hits before sinking.

>>379696114
There isn't much left of the world in the TDA universe. There are hives left on the world but they're underwater, so it's impossible to assault them now. Gravity anomalies in the world blew the atmosphere away from the surface, the only inhabitable strip of land remaining is around Seattle. The last two countries in the world are at war with each other, and the world is covered in a desert of salt.

Oh, and this guy shows up.

>>379695482
>run out of ammo
>no melee weapon
>have hands so punch one alien
>get eaten by aliens anyway
We're clearly talking about different mecha universes, but still

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>>379696238
That's not the motherfucking pile bunker.

>>379696157
>Turn V
>best

thing is ugly as hell with that moostache

King Gainer was pretty boss though

>>379696276
It's a pain to find specific ones but you can just go on any car design website and find articles talking about his time there.

He worked on a lot of their concept cars like the Gyron but more details are actually a pain to find. and you'd need to be more of a car person than me. (though car designers often rave about him)

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>>379696523
I guess the only good thing about TDA is that Marimo is still alive. And she's a Major, not a Sargeant.

>>379696351
LRM boats were cancer in beta because they require(d) no skill whatsoever and were nearly impossible to avoid unless you had a very tall thing to stand behind within a few seconds.
Missiles can be fun in games, provided that they take skill and risk to lock on with and are avoidable with skill rather than luck, that or they are wire guided.
The only real way to do guided missiles in a slow mech game like mech warrior is to make the horizontal path correction slight like in MW2, so that they have to be fired directly at a target.

Also the team target marking system in MWO seemed like a good idea on paper, but in practice should never have gone live.

>>379695517
I agree and once I got over my disappointment that it didn't have locational damage I had fun with the game, I still wish there was locational damage though.

>>379696238
Missles are the most efficient and effective weapons in reality, why wouldnt they be the best weapons for a mech?

>>379686495
>>ZotE
>>clunky
>
>Try ZoE 2.
the games control the same way.

>>379696523
>The problem is that this cloud dissipates eventually
This is not a problem when we're talking about tanks, who can vaporize any mech with their main gun themselves in one shot and just need those several seconds to not have their armor penetrated by lasers. Same applies to mechs, if they are able to use weapons good enough to achieve low TTK against their enemy. If we're not talking about some retarded fantasy settings, aerosol clouds are good enough to protect against any laser wielding threat long enough for the said threat to be destroyed.

A much bigger problem with this type of defense is achieving rapid aerosol mixture expansion, so that it can cover a large enough volume to protect the tank or mech, but, according to the Russian reports, they have managed to solve this problem.

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>>379688538
Finally, someone posted zoids

>>379696523
I dont care about continuing the story, though. Just give me a game where I can pilot my type 94 and kill lots of BETA while feeling more and more desperate as the battle begins to turn against us.

>>379696856
If you do space missiles are fucking terrible. Especially nearish to earth.

You would need super expensive and specialised missiles.

>>379696718
OK.

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I thought Brigador had some pretty cool designs.

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Mark Sein is my waifu.

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>>379696983
That laser autism picture >>379690269 is about Muv Luv. In that universe, the enemies are ayyys, not people. In the MLA universe, laser-class ayyys can target any aircraft that stick their heads over the horizon and vaporize them instantly, and can fire again every few seconds. They're also ridiculously numerous, like this >>379691915 , it's a very different thing from conventional warfare. The BETA are the weakest enemy aliens from any fiction setting I have ever seen, but they're numerous as fuck. Picture related is what a hive-assault looks like. They use anti-laser ordinance to create a cloud, switch to conventional shells and blast the coast. That's just enough to create enough space for the mechs to assault the coast.

>the thread doesnt devolve into immediate shitposting
>games are posted
>this isnt v at all
im suprised
also are they both jap mechs? or is the west one actually west (i want to get into some mech games after a great arcade machine)

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>>379697909
Grab an Xbox and get to playing. >>379688592

On PC you can get more stuff from the Mechwarrior universe. I haven't played those games at all but they do look like old computer games, not sure if they'd make a good impression on someone who wasn't previously into mecha.

The visual novel being posted, with the lasers and ayyys, is Muv Luv.

>>379697402
I always did like how "low tech" muv-luv is in terms of how powerful it's mecha are, even Zakus out perform them.

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>not a single mention of Tau ITT

I know /v/ has shit taste, but damn.

>>379685179
Eastern mechs have Getter/Mazin Kaiser so by default they kick the shit out of western trash.

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Who is your gundamfu and why is it Barbatos?

>>379698397
...damn, me too anon.

I love the wolfie berserker theme.

>>379698397
iron blooded abortion was a mistake

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>>379698272
Tau's /m/ aspect is really plain boring and uninteresting, though.

Broadsides (>pic related), old Crisis suits, maybe an occasional laugh at the shameless similarity with MSGundam.
Overall, they were more fun when they were a conglomerate of alien races led by these techno guys. Modern Tau are boring and I say that as a penultimate giant robot addict.

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>>379698241
In the Muv Luv universe, humanity had a moon base in the 50s and had already gone to Mars. The fight the BETA when they land on Earth in the 80s using conventional weapons, and quickly develop mechs to fight them. They already had a headstart on technology, but ultimately they're behind even in terms of what modern real world weapons can do.

They don't have video games or cellphones in the MLA universe, but they have giant mechs and moon bases. It's a very interesting perspective.

>>379698445

Does it hit too close to come with the whole human debris message anon?

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>>379698272
>Tau

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>>379698397
IBO a shit.

>>379685179
it's entirely subjective

I'm someone who sits on the fringe and has no main preference, so I can understand why people would like both

japanese mech games are all about speed with sleek designs, transforming elements, laser swords, etc
western mech games are all about gritty power, the mechs aren't pretty, but they are tough as nails and pack a lot of firepower

there are exceptions to the rule for both sides

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>>379685179
if only Hawken wasn't complete pay2win, it might have been amazing

daily reminder that if it has arms and isn't a battlesuit then it is NOT a mech, it is a fucking controllable robot

mechs are generally bipedal with no other limbs

>>379698615
>japanese mech games are all about speed with sleek designs, transforming elements, laser swords, etc

Shows how much you know.

>>379698748
>there are exceptions to the rule for both sides

Is Total Annihilation a mech game?

>>379698737
A 'mech' is any big mechanical walking thing

Don't try and turn this into another "it's a wyvern not a dragon"

>>379698831
Except the extremely sleek and fast designs with transformable elements are exceptions to the rule for Japanese robots as well.

>>379698879
Fuck off with your giant fucking robot gundam bullshit

>>379698874
Ayup.

>>379698712
I stopped playing because everyone was running dual gatling

>>379692531
Their redesigns of everything is so fucking shit, with the exception of the hunter and jaeger.
Makes me regret backing it.

>>379698615
>it's entirely subjective
no fucking shit.
do you expect us to start and end every sentence with "in my opinion"?
I am so glad you showed up to our 300 post thread where we all talked about cool shit we like so you could remind us that these are in fact merely our opinions bravo to you sir let me pin this golden star to your collar so everyone knows how helpful you are.

>>379698961
By your definition, half the things in Battletech are mechs and the other half must be redefined as 'controllable robots', with the only characteristic separating the two being whether they have arms or not. That's clearly retarded.

>>379698879
The best part about wyvern/dragon is that the people who call things wyverns don't even know the proper definition completely (they typically use DND definitions, occasionally half understood heraldic ones)

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>>379698272
>love mecha
>love tau
>fucking hate tau mecha
No anon, it is you who has shit taste. Tau shouldn't have anything bipedal bigger than a Crisis suit. They're too utilitarian for that.

>>379690915
The vanilla game is also far more cohesive in terms of visuals, the MekPak is all over the place with 2000's era stuff mixed amongst pointlessly ultra high poly shit and even models with completely fucked scaling. The OG main menu and camos also look better, I'd say it's worth the trouble to track down an unmolested copy.

Also MekTek sucks as a team anyway, the unbelievably insufferable shitfest that was MTX still makes me angry after all these years.

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>>379685179
asian mech is toy trinkets attached to a whore, which would be shitty af in real warfare

meanwhile western design could be an actual design and doesnt kill your driver within the first hit like these titty armor jetpacks asians create

>>379699223
We could have him define what an arm is.
Then we could blow him the fuck out until time ends.
I was just going to let him be a retard in peace.
I will back you up no matter what course of action you decide is best.

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>>379699363

What the fuck you call this gay shit then?

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>>379698737
But a robot is by definition autonomous, you fucking mong.
It has literally no connotations of being humanoid anyway, why would you jump to that?

>>379699467
Anon I fucking hope you're not trying to imply there's anything utilitarian about that at all. Especially compared to simple, not-ass retarded shit like a fucking Hammerhead.