Why don't they want us, man?

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Who remembers that episode?

"Story is the greatest sin mankind has commited since the Garden of Eden,"
-Miyamoto

>>379674624
*Tanabe

Nintendo actually thinks people don't like the OCs in Paper Mario. Yes, they are that out of touch.

>>379675689
Maybe Japanese Mario fans hates them too. Japanese people are known for their shit taste.

>>379674423
everyone over 12 you redditor faggot.

>>379675689
Thanks for the update, reddito!

>>379676030
You alright there champ?

>>379676146
Yeah you're just a huge faggot and it shows through your posts.

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>>379676517
Go to bed Tanabe.

Because almost the entire dev team for modern Paper Mario is lazy and incompetent and Tanabe enables complacency and mediocrity

>>379676779
Do you just scream "reddit" at every opinion that makes you assmad?

>>379675689

I didn't know Paper Mario was hijacked by the Sonic Fanbase. I thought people liked Paper Mario for the fun scenarios not the Goombas wearing hats.

>>379677140
People have always loved the partners, retard.

>>379676836
Nope just every post that is blatantly from reddit.

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>>379677291

tfw SPM went too far with weird OC autism and the pendulum swung all the way in the other direction to "no fun allowed toad only final destination"

dear Miyamoto, Tanabe, who the fuck ever, you can still have interesting characters using only existing Mario series characters/enemies - see the original paper mario and TTYD for the most part

>>379677191

For the same reason as the Sonic Fanbase.

>>379676001
>>379676030
>>379676779
>>379677291
can you autists leave my thread and go back to where you came from, thanks

yo just put PM and TTYD on Switch and I don't need a true sequel

M&L:SS > PM

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>>379677140
People like it for many aspects that come together, you have a fun interesting battle system, silly dialogue and story, a variety of NPCs with different designs & species from Toads to even enemies such as Koopas, Bob-ombs, Clefts and other original enemies being talked to, nice overworld that's different from the norm for the Mario series and you have partners that travel with Mario that help your progression & etc.

>>379677429
They should just get the current Director to create new characters/enemies, he did a good job as the Character Designer in 64.

>>379677449
Are you actually trying to argue that TTYD and PM would be better if they had just used Toads like CS and SS?

>original games
>actual game where paper and art craft is just a theme and doesn't affect the story too much. Amazing story and gameplay.

>spm and after
>Lol dude memes, Dude 4th wall jokes, did I mention we're paper? Let's shit on the game play and battle system and innovate.

>>379677558

Yes, but TTYD and MLSS is much more arguable. I'm actually not sure which I would pick, they're both great.

>>379677140
The partners weren't furry shit and degenerate like sonic, they helped you out in battle and had actual back stories.

>>379677558
It doesn't hold much to pm.
Artstyle, partners, characters locations, dialogue, story, most of it paper mario did better.
ML:SS had a few decent characters but PM did things far better.
MLSS requires dodging everymove and tactics don't play much part, pm doesn't have doging and requires tactical thinking.
Not saying MLSS is bad, in fact it's probably my fav gba game.
But PM is thr bettet game

>>379677593

The original Paper Mario is 90% Mario series characters anyway. The OCs are needless and really they should only really make them sparingly.

The quality of the designs of the non-Mario designs fluctuate wildly. In PM64 they were fine. But TTYD and SPM a lot of the original designs(not based on existing Mario characters) are hideous and garish.

>>379677778
>The partners weren't furry shit and degenerate like sonic, they helped you out in battle and had actual back stories.

What's Bombette's backstory then?

>>379677601
If that's gonna be your main reason you might as well hate on TTYD too, faggot. Or did you forget that the first game is basically a storybook whereas the second was DUDE PAPER LMAO at every given chance.

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>>379674246

10 years later, I still want to impregnate the Shadow Queen.

>>379678319

Don't be silly anon TTYD gets a free pass on any flaws because it's crammed with OCs.

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>>379678128
Paper Mario 64 is my favorite game in general but I say it simply depends what you're into. M&L is a bit more action focused while Paper Mario is more tactical as you're saying, it's why while they're both Mario RPGs you have a split of fans for both series. They're both good & have similar concepts especially at face value but at the end of the day they're very different the deeper you go into them. It's shit like this that makes me so bothered they tell other Paper Mario fans that want a new Paper Mario RPG to play M&L since they both had their different identities I feel.

>>379678319
it was what, 3 or 4 paper gimmicks? and they actually had a role in movement/gameplay rather than being there just because dude paper lmao, at the very least

>>379678319
>the second was DUDE PAPER LMAO at every given chance.
Its not really mentioned outside the curses

>>379678319
The second one had it only for 4 abilities. They didn't go lol dude paper at every fucking turn. It was comical and nobody questioned it. It also had a story on its own without it.
Maybe you should play it again?
Theres very little 4th wall or any paper jokes.
Other games went overboard with it.
There's nothing really wrong with 4th wall or paper jokes but going overboard is.

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>>379677601
Christ, PM fanbase is more autistic than Metroidfags.

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>>379678579
They also made them curses in TTYD that actually weren't normal in that world. It's why you get shit like Toads freaking out over a Paper Boat in the Pirate's Grotto.

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>>379678319
>the second was DUDE PAPER LMAO at every given chance.

Lol what?
Are you sure you're not confusing it with the the other shitty sequels?

>>379678718
Oh look its this faggot again.

>>379678718
I'd rather break up with a girl I love, than have her be a beaten up rape victim.

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Obligatory.

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>>379678579
>Dude Paper

What's actually wrong with the games being internally consistent with the fact it's a Paper and Crafts World? It's a motive.

It's not like there's really that many dialogue references to it especially in color Splash and it's used visually and mechanically well like Color Splash's first level road being rolled up behind you. Surely that's better than simply having the style to look pretty and nothing else.

>>379678739

That's really stupid. What are all the TTYD characters flat pieces of flesh considering Rawk Hawk gets stomped flat by Bowser?

>>379679295
You are really substance with style

Which is usually a poor idea

Style can help a game immensely but when you are ripping out everything good and just replacing with flashier colors and jokes and backgrounds you are gonna run into a problem

>>379679097
i've been noticing that the vast majority of Mario games have this obnoxiously bright and casual atmosphere, and there's almost nothing beyond what's absolutely essential to the core gameplay

i'm assuming this is Miyamoto's vision then

>>379679726
i forgot to mention that it's more noticeable in the recent titles, if i had to guess it started around a bit after SPM and Galaxy came out

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>>379679452
It's just a visual gag of him being hurt, it's not really meant to be something you think about & it's just meant to show he's hurt to the player in a silly fashion, it's like how when you kill a Goomba in SMB their heads get smashed into themselves since they're squished.

>>379678319
Fucking this. PM64 was "Mario Story" in Japan, whereas TTYD was "Paper Mario RPG" in Japan. It's obvious where the priorities lied for each game's design.

Paper was an aesthetic in 64 for the story they were telling. In TTYD the paper was there for paper gimmicks.

>>379679452
They're characters in a story book represented as pop-out characters. They aren't aware they're paper.

In Tanabe games they won't shut up about being paper people and not being affected by normal cartoon gags. I hate it.

>>379679503
>You are really substance with style
>Which is usually a poor idea

I don't think so. Its usually the best idea. If a game can incorporate its motive consistently across the gameplay, writing and level design that is a good thing.

I don't get how being haphazard about how the game's world functions is supposed to be better.

>>379680872

Oh good grief who gave Tanabe a time machine?

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>>379681452
Thank you so much for posting these, when I initially played the game before it came out I couldn't read any of the manual's stuff since it'd just crash the game due to Loadiine being the way it is. I was so curious about these.

>>379677601
Ttyd acknowledged everyone was paper too. Which I didn't like.

They're not supposed to be here for us, they're supposed to be here for Geoffr~E~y

>>379681452
I'm glad this game throw coins at you cause wasted alot on that meat boss.

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>>379682671
>Wasting coins on that
>Not just resetting the game

>>379683275
I hate that level, you have to do it twice for no fucking reason just to get the other Mini Paint Star that's in that same exact room to unlock a new level.

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>tfw Mario & Luigi has absorbed real Paper Mario

>>379677140
This is something I've been saying for a while now. Paper Mario is the closest Mario has ever gotten to having a Sonic tier following. And a big reason for that is the OCs.

Nintendo killing them off is them saying they don't want you.

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>>379683548
You can refill your card deck and give a second look for the missing colorless spots.

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>>379683951
I never had to worry about cards in my playthrough, I had thousands of coins (like 7000 or so then?) & practically relied on the Battle Spinner to give me a new card every turn, it's only 10 coins after all. Also I never had colorless spot issues beyond Plum Park as far as I remember so I pretty much got everything my first time around.

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>>379684175
I gave up on the third Roshambo Temple and had real coins issues during the playthrough. Especially after restaurant bossfight.

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I think a huge draw (at least for me) in the Paper Mario series is seeing characters that would otherwise be nameless enemies or background characters get the spotlight. When I was really young I'd always wonder what Koopa Troopas, Goombas, Boos, etc, all did besides work for Bowser. Super Mario RPG laid the seeds for that and the first few Paper Mario games watered it. The Mario games are full of fun and interesting character designs that really lend themselves to being more fleshed out and it's just a shame to see that go to waste.
If Nintendo isn't going to make Paper Mario games like they used to, I'd at least want some sort of new IP equivalent with cute and unique characters and more interactive battles.

>>379684628
No more regular Paper Mario for you because Nintendo is fucking retarded and thinks PM and M&L games can't exist at the same time

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>>379684580
I did a few Roshambo Temples early on and the kind of just stopped until I beat the game to complete them. I got a shitload of coins (usually in 300 hundreds) from the Shy Bandit fights (Wait, why didn't they just use a Bandit enemy from Yoshi's Island instead?), mini-game doors, Kamek's curse bullshit, ends of levels, colorless spots & etc. They just give you too much shit in that game I feel, I wish I had struggles like you though, I don't mind piss easy games since they can still be fun but the coins basically broke the already bad combat & paint system for me since Replica Things cards fully painted are easily obtainable from the Battle Spinner. The closest times coins had significant use for me was the final fight since all of my Jump cards were useless against Bowser's black paint.

>>379685008
Are any of the newer M&L games any good? I only played Superstar Saga and Bowser's Inside Story. I really wish Nintendo would take more chances with their IP's. I'm glad we're getting new ones like Splatoon and ARMS but it'd be cool to see something as fun and unique as TTYD again.

>>379685008
But Paper was first REEEEEEEEEE

>>379685180
>Nintendo
>Not taking chances with their IPs

lol. It amazes me how people have crafted this narrative.

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>>379685407
>namefag

>>379685469
Anon, ignore him, he's been shitting up Paper Mario, Star Fox and other Nintendo threads since like March of last year.

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>He's too busy making Paper Fire Emblem to make another Paper Mario

>>379685037
I brought cards which some of the more expensive ones take up a good a amount of coins and paint.

>>379685761
You know, it's been 10 years since he last worked on a Paper Mario game, would he still be able to make a good Paper Mario game? I mean hope so but I feel that could be a worry.

>>379686031

Wasn't the whole thing that made Paper Mario great was that it was an unexpected change from the norm? If he returns from FE(and Codename Steam if I recall) to Paper Mario he'll probably have some great new ideas for the series.

>>379688630
That is certainly true, hopefully he comes back to it then, although him being Director wouldn't change the fact Tanabe would still be Producer and I don't trust that guy.

>>379689241

I know people dislike him but he's a pretty good producer when you consider that pretty much every game he's produced has released on time and he manages multiple projects across different studios simultaneously in both Japan and the US.

>>379689402
He probably has a lot good about him, I mean he's been helping Nintendo for years now and has done the original Prime trilogy with Retro and more recently the new DKC games. But with how he's done Sticker Star, Color Splash, Federation Force and Chibi-Robo Zip Lash (which isn't really awful but just meh) I don't trust him, maybe he's just on a bad streak but he's rubbing me the wrong way for now.

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>>379677429

People seem to forget that the original PM didn't have much new characters.

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>>379690024
You must not remember them, PM64 had a lot of characters to offer, especially when it comes to variety of species. Hell, in a town literally called Toad Town you had Postmaster the Paratroopa, Bub-ulb, Fishmael, Merlon, Chet Rippo, Chan & Lee in the Dojo, Rip Cheato in the sewers, later in the game Goombario's family visits with Goombaria, Goomama & Goompapa, you have Kolorado there for a long period of time and that Fuzzipede in the whale, he sticks around as a NPC for a little bit.

Compare this to SS/CS where they only have Toads with minimal designs and in CS's case some Shy Guys with recolors, in CS alone you only see a few enemy-based NPCs and they lack any form of different design outside of the Emerald Circus where Hammer Bros. have someone unique designs going on.

>>379690024
>Goombario
>Kooper
>Parrakarry
>Bow
>etc

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>>379690674
This is small but I forgot to mention the badge shop owners, Rowf and Rhuff also.

>>379677140
This post made me mad.