Is capitalism the real thing that's ruining vidya? Hear

Huh?

you can't fix it
it's over

>>379665206
The problem with almost all of that is that video games are now incredibly expensive to develop and consumers absolutely refuse to pay more than 60 bucks for a full game. So, AAA devs release a "full game" for 60 bucks, and then have a 30 or 40 dollar season pass to make up the rest.

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>>379665206
>Also bad, there must be an alternative from the two right?
I'm assuming you're implying the third way, and no, during the third reich all the kid's toys were just poorly made military themed shit.

The free market will literally fix the problem if you stop buying shit games. Stop buying AAA garbage. Stop buying Nintendo garbage. Stop buying mobileshit. Good games still get released in reasonable bursts because there is an audience for niche games. Diversify your hobbies so you aren't completely dependent on the latest pile of trash developers shit out for entertainment.

>>379665206
Games wouldn't exist in communism.

>>379665669
>The free market will literally fix the problem if you stop buying shit games.

No it won't, and it doesn't. It's high time we accept that he /v/ demographic has little market power compared to the mass swarms of normies willing to pull out their wallets for whatever hyped dlc-ridden marketting fest gets shoved down their throats.

there's a point where you have to blame the consumer for their stupidity.
like >>379665602
said, games are expensive to make. part of that is because trying to be a movie is expensive. if games stopped focusing on muh realism graphics and bloated voice acting budgets, then part of the problem is gone.

then you have to blame the retards buying the cash shop shit. loot crates and microtransactions for a virtual outfit is moronic, and the people willing to spend $10+ on that shit are a huge part of the problem.

>>379665206
"Capitalism" is a pretty broad thing. Without capitalism video games wouldn't even be a thing, it's purely an entertainment medium. It provides little to no intrinsic value to society and would certainly not be a high priority for the state. Without a market to provide supply and demand it would disappear. But capitalism also incentivizes people to seek the most amount of money while expending the least amount of effort, which is a problem for a creative medium. I don't think there's really a good solution for this, sure we could magically convince every consumer to start acting rationally but that's just a pipe dream. Really, all you can do is support the niches in the market which do not operate "optimally", ones that focus on passion rather than pure greed. IE the AA and indie sectors.

>>379665971
Majority rules.

Christ are you anti democracy too?

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Communism gave us the only truly perfect video game.

Capitalism gave us horse armor.

>>379665602
Making a game is rarely as expensive as marketing a game. A game doesn't need to be shilled everywhere if it's good.

>>379666246
>Capitalism as we know it didn't exist until the Renaissance
>Literature, art, theater, and music all existed before then.

But yeah, sure, no entertainment without capitalism.

>>379665672
https://www.wired.com/2007/07/gallery-soviet-games/

:)

>>379666650
lol nice retard post

>people in ancient rome privately bought art for their homes
>this isn't capitalism
>capitalism wasn't invented till the renaissance!
yuro education

>>379665206
The current video game market started in the late 1970s, early 1980s. Did capitalism just appear on the world scene in the last 10 years or something? The very idea of video gaming is a luxury entertainment good, which part of that sounds non-capitalistic to you?

>>379665971
>The video game market should revolve solely around what /v/ wants

>>379667027
It won't sell well because of half of /v/ will pirate it and the other half will hate it for any number of reasons and all normies will think it's too complicated or reprehensible, but the 3 people that genuinely buy it and like it will think you're the best dev ever. That's basically the same thing as millions of dollars

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>>379665206
>implying the socialist economy is nothing but capitalism + monopoly + central banking

>>379665206
>dumbing down gameplay to appeal to more people

This is the only thing that is running vidya. Everything else is simply fluff stemming from the casualization.

Bye, commie.

>>379665672
>Good games wouldn't exist in communism.
Fixed

DIE COMMIE

>>379667538
You've got it backwards. All the bad corporate shit would never have been made, but all the genuinely good passion project would have.

Kojima would still be making games in a communist world, EA wouldn't.

>>379665206
Women stealing yet another hobby

>>379667652
Please post some amazing communist passion projects. I'm genuinely interested.

How can capitalism ruin videogames if they didn't exist before capitalism?

>>379665206
It's not capitalism, it's the modern formulation of capitalism that is based on an infinite growth model and minimum-turnover reward.

>>379665602
Game development costs are at an all-time low even including useless trash like VA which is an extreme cost.

>>379665971
Even nu/v/ is like that. I mean just look around!

When the government has control of something it will always want more control

>>379665669
Are you really so stupid that you believe this shit will cause a shift in the paradigm? The publishers that have bought up every last ounce of talent and proceeded to squander it have more money and assets that you could possibly imagine as well as IP rights that will span your lifetime and beyond so to imagine them as fallible is a fallacy. And getting people to back the idea that these games are shit would require a profound social movement to gain a single iota of attention. There are too many people that are too ignorant that have gotten involved with the medium and they have zero interest other than playing the next copy pasted iteration of their favorite game. What's more is these people are vehemently defensive of their favorite titles and many of them are interested in actually supporting them. This plays into the hands of the publishers who proceed to outpace the development budget with the marketing budget and increasing sales and assets which allow them to gain even more momentum and traction.

Their sole interest is money and they are incredibly well suited to do so, they are well defended in their very nature and as such have become virtually infallible. The free market is broken, period.

>>379668560
What would you suggest as an alternative then?

>>379669679
There is no alternative, unless there is some sort of cataclysmic disaster in the sector or the world as a whole this is how things will be played out for the foreseeable future, plain and simple. When big corporations started intermingling with artists is when the shit hit the fan and the issue has been escalating ever since. Publishers, which are largely publically traded corporations have a vested interest not just to break even but also to generate additional revenue which effectively grows the company in either held liquid assets or otherwise expands their asset holdings, effectively increasing their intrinsic value. The best way to sell things is to sell everything to everyone, and by selling everything to everyone they have to make features that are wholly appealing to every member of the public which in turn insures sales. They also need to propagate the IP which is done through relatively aggressive marketing campaigns that can span years, tackling TV, gaming events, banner ads, esports, controversy and anything else that might get the name out.

As the population of the net demographic increases the plurality degrades into a normative plurality which causes a lot of niche cases that once acted as an intuitive stop-gap are dissolved into a homogenized mass of only a select few well selling categories, which all act to appeal to the whole of the plurality often uncompromisingly and shamelessly catering to everyone rather than the core. The core has little or no market value though, so they're irrelevant. And this really applies to all modern mediums. Sure music has a handful of indie bands that have performed fairly well and reached far more audiences than anyone could've predicted, and there are even indie films that are stunningly well written, produced and directed, but they're outside the normative just like all the niche games that there is a demand but little supply for.

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Is oxygen the real thing that's ruining our ecosystem? Hear me out here.

Nearly every problem currently in the ecosystem can be traced back to oxygen in some way:

>Microbes and airborne disease every where, even in modern countries
>only years away from monetising the act of breathing it
>isn't outwardly conservertive, therefore must be a cuckstained libtard because there's no other options
>dumbing down living to support more life-forms
>milking good lungs dry with oxidisation, essentially killing them
>streamers and ecelebs being paid to market liquid oxygen (water)
>reviewers breathe it, making it bad by association
>kikes

Surely there's got to be a better system, right /v/? What can we do to rid games of this corrosive influence?

>>379672234
Barely an argument

>>379666852

Most if not all great works of art, pre industrial revolution were commissioned by either nobility(Austrian classics) or the church(cathedrals/painting misc). They did exchange goods, services or whatever but the actual artists didn't rely on the mass marketing or joe schmoes money.

Also equating modern capitalism with pre industrial economies is erroneous, many modern business practices would be considered usury and not permissible.
The social dynamic was also different and it had great effect on the economy.

So no it wasn't the same phenomenon we today call "capitalism".

>>379672675

HAHAHAHA HE REALLY FUCKING TOOK THE BAIT
Go worship your bald cultist cuck, Molyneux
Don't forget to light a candle to ward (((them))) off your thread

Why does political threads aren't banned yet?

>>379665206
Capitalism is the reason video games exist in the first place.

>>379672818
>thread about video games
>Reeing about politics anyways
>>>/tumblr/

>>379668560
>shift in the paradigm
Are you really so stupid to think the demands will go unmet just because
>muh paradigm

How fucking stupid are you? People will pay for quality products. There is a reason we aren't all eating with plastic forks and spoons, you dumb fuck.

>>379665206
It's the suits, not necessarily capitalism. This is what happens to most companies.
> video game company created with idea to make good games
> programmers release a few good games
> money starts rolling in
> start growing, need financing or at least control
> executives who don't play video games come in
> they reign in expenses and everyone makes more money
> good times still roll
> over time executives figure out "winning formula" and force that down on programmers
> company starts becoming just an assembly line with Prepackaged Fun(TM) and incomplete games
> as this dries up, talent has run off and cuts occur
> studio dies

This isn't new. Atari was killed in a similar fashion (suits had no idea how video games worked), and Activision was killing studios even back in the 1980s with similar tactics as today (Infocom).

>>379665206
Microsofts entry into gaming, and the outside influences like extremely forceful marketing and anti consumerism they brought with them is the problem.

that said
>>>/pol/

get out

>>379672938
I barely see video games here.

>>379672961
>People will pay for quality products.
Yeah, dumbed down FPSes, SJW pandering agendas, generic open world games...

A """quality"""

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Clearly a return to Feudalism is the only way to bring back good vidya.

>>379672961
What did I just read?

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>>379673119
>dumbed down FPSes
The best FPS ever made came out this decade. Maybe if you actually took the time to look, you'd find there are plenty of high quality games being released, or maybe you are a special snowflake with shit taste and you are just complaining that developers aren't making your favorite flavor of shit.

>>379673136
We're approaching that at a staggering rate.

Fun fact:
On average the net income of the average individual in the US is coming increasingly close to negative net profit. This is according to BLS statistics. Most people in the US are only making about $800 annually after taxes. Once this gap is closed living in the US as an average person will put you into debt, effectively forcing people into indentured servitude.

>>379667652
Communism is literal shit

>>379673498
>Once this gap is closed living in the US as an average person will put you into debt, effectively forcing people into indentured servitude.
>retards who willingly put themselves in debt will lose rights they didn't care about in the first place
>we are returning to the natural aristocracy the founding fathers intended

oh noooooo

>>379665206
it's not capitalism you dumb fuck, it's human greed and general stupidity/ineptitude.

capitalism is a system, nothing more. what's ruining games is the combination of devs making huge profits with minimal work/improvement and people swarming in to buy and defend their shit no matter how bad it is. this makes it so hard work and dedication are optional to big studios, and if something is optional and requires more work and thinking while giving the same profit you can bet your ass 90% of people won't be up for it.

Why would a studio bother to make a trully innovative game when the companie's or the franchise's name alone sells the games?

the ONLY way to fix the current shitshow is for the majority of the consumers to say "enough" and stop falling for artificial hype and fake promises, stops preordering shit because it has someone's name stamped on it, stop buying shitty DLC that add shit that should have been in vanilla and costs the price of a full game and so on. yes, that's right, crashing the market is they way to save it, because it'll force devs to go back to relying on the quality of each new title to sustain them.

>>379665669

>The free market will literally fix the problem if you stop buying shit games.

And this is one of the core problems with libertarianism, it assumes most people are rational actors. Normies/casuals will lap this shit up and ask for seconds because they have no taste or enough familiarity to know what quality is. You will simply get games that cater to the lowest common denominator and the basest of instincts.

Just look at modern wish fulfilment shooters, waifushit and scantily clad women. Look at all these new mobile games that make profits purely out of p2w micro transactions and the thousands of clones trying to cash in on it. Hell even look at arcade games before consoles were popular, littleraly made to suck your spare change dry.

The future of the medium will be mobile game teir in 20 years.

>>379667027
Maybe we know what's best for video games, have you thought about that?

>>379673498

> if I borrow statistics other people figured out, and project them on a linear course, everything is doomed

OH MY GOD NIGGERS ARE OUTBREEDING THE WORLD, WE'RE GOING TO SEE 3.8 BILLION NEW NIGGERS BY CHRISTMAS

>>379673356
>ignoring titles like CoD, Halo 4+ and accessory titles, Fallout 3 & 4, Overwatch, Battlefield series post-vietnam, CS:GO, ME 2 and up, Dragon Age 2 and up, the over-saturated MOBA market, the unstoppable slew of early access titles, the countless mimicry games, prolific amounts of DLC attached to virtually every title released in the last 10 years, microtransactions littering games which they should've never been seen in, and any number of other failures that the last 10 years have shit out onto the core gamer.

>>379674037
>ignoring titles
Yes, this is what you need to do.

>>379674005
It's a system that only a select few benefits. Why can't we try other systems or at least evolve it? No way will there be a video game crash anymore, it has grown so big that normies buy the latest iteration of a sport game

>>379674030
OH FUCK WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO?

>>379674005
>the ONLY way to fix the current shitshow is for the majority of the consumers to say "enough" and stop falling for artificial hype and fake promises, stops preordering shit because it has someone's name stamped on it, stop buying shitty DLC that add shit that should have been in vanilla and costs the price of a full game and so on. yes, that's right, crashing the market is they way to save it, because it'll force devs to go back to relying on the quality of each new title to sustain them.
So we're fucked then

>>379674103
I do, which is why I don't play /v/ideo games anymore, I just lurk on /v/ and pray to got that someone will post something worth playing at some point.

>>379674296
There are good games. You just don't want to bother trying to find one.

>>379665206
Well, capitalism is jews, though, but good luck trying to convince, let alone have /pol/ see it for what it is. Capital is good, power to the individual, bad, bad commies.

>>379665206
>Implying a communist government would allow a company to dump millions and millions into developing good modern video games

There would only be cheap ass arcade games at most.

>>379674943
>There would only be cheap ass arcade games at most.
you would get a crudely made playground and thats it.

>>379673136

We only really departed from feudalism on a social/legal level, all modernity did was transition power with the new guys in charge offering the empty half truth of "freedom". Feudalism was a product of it's time and le exploited peasants is overplayed. It was mutually beneficial, sure we have it better off today in some aspects but that's purely because efficiency has increased to raise living standards. Ironically a peasant would probably have been way less exploited than modern man.

>>379672725
you still are just a retard

the rich buying art isn't different than the people buying games. one is just a wealthy person who spends more on a single piece just for them, the other is multiple people buying a piece (a game), so the price is cheaper since more people buy into it.

>>379672234
> better system
> not better atom

You had it, anon. So close yet infinitely far.

>>379675287

Ah fuck good one.

>>379666737
Surprise, surprise. They're all shit.

>>379674005

>it's not capitalism you dumb fuck, it's human greed
>humans are greedy
>adopt a system that mercilessly brings out this otherwise beneficial trait to the point of neuroticism

>>379675473
>expect us to adopt a different system
>they suck even worse

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>everyone in this thread using facist dictatorships as counter-points

>>379674943

>implying OP is communist

How new are you as to not be able to spot his not so subtle hints

You're right. Remember when anyone could easily make a game in BASIC? Remember when it was easy to copy game tapes and, later, disks? The American and Japanese corporations ruined vidya because they didn't recognise the importance of user freedom.

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>>379675605
Welcome to the future.

>>379673851
Enjoy being a slave lol

>>379675605
>I'm a retard who doesn't know what fascism is
protip: communism is left, not right

>>379675083
>the rich buying art isn't different than the people buying games.
Patrons didn't generally fuck with the artist beyond subject matter, if that, and let them handle the rest. Normies are tasteless retards that like spectacle and empty sandboxes, who don't care about core gameplay and are catered to by executives. It isn't quite the same.

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>>379675731

>>379665206
All of what you said isn't actually capitalism's fault, it all can be traced back to shit taste. The market system can't fix shitty preferences. But at least there is some variety. It's better to have one good game among 1000 shitty one than none or only low budget third world shitty indie games.

>>379675809
>I'm a retard that doesn't know there hasn't been a single example of a communist society in this thread
protip: just because you use the word "communism" in the sentence doesn't mean it's actually talking about communism.

>>379665206
>Surely there's got to be a better system, right /v/?

Sure, as long as devs are willing to work several hours a day for free.

>>379675549

Is morality such a foreign concept to you?

>>379675731

little retard who had his babby's first "bolitical awakenig :-BBBB" in the last year believes he can predict the future and whoa look at that it's exactly the brand of extremist bullshit he wants

>>379676118
>b-but real communism hasn't been tried yet
back to the re-education camp with you

>>379665206
Video game crash from over-saturation won't happen again. Everyone here is an accessory to that. Only way to fix it, is by effectively killing anyone related to gaming and starting fresh again.

>>379675867
the point was not taste, it was that it's capitalism.

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>>379665206

>>379675083

Yes it is mong, the nobility had a familiarity with quality and ensured that products maintain a certain quality. They also aren't motivated by short term profit like modern omni corp and just want to enjoy the art like any one else. They had large amounts of disposable income so they could act as patrons to artists so they didn't have to draw pornography on the side just to eat.

That's what most modern video games are today, the equivalent of pornography in this medium. And the worst part is the producers aren't making it to get buy so they can have the time to make a masterpiece.

They just want your money.

/v/ - Politics

>>379665206
Maybe there's going to be a good threa-
>Is capitalism the real thing that's ruining vidya
>84 replies
I swear if 16/2chan's format wasn't so ass this board could finally be combined into /b/.

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>>379676219
Calm down, reddit.

ITT: manchildren and actual kids complain that devs won't work for free nor government won't make games with the taxpayer's money.

>>379676341

Your just """arguing""" over sematics at this point. Obviously if you broaden the definition of capitalism to include basically any market interaction then most if not everything is capitalism. Using this broad definition as a way to ignore historical context is not ok, modern capitalism is radically different from what most market interactions were in the past.

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>Nier Automata
>developed for like 5 million bucks, over a sane period of time, by a small team, for a niche audience
>sells gangbusters (>1m copies) due to competent direction and makes the company a huge profit

>Eidos' new Tomb Raider games
>cost $100 million to develop, took 5 years to make with an extant engine, pandered and was advertised as hard as possible
>sold several million copies, but was a financial failure

>both are published by Square Enix, but SE continues to force the AAA meme

We need to go back to N64/PS1-style industy, with a focus around director-centric development and auter pet projects. With access to shit like Unity and Unreal 4 there's no excuse for spending hundreds of millions of dollars making a game, more games with lower budgets means more creativity and more profits.

>>379677316
but anon, i only want to play shiny expensive games that get shilled all over /v/ constantly

>>379676926
>not getting jewed buying video games is politics
hmm

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>>379674020
>checks catalog
No.

>>379677316
>more games with lower budgets means more creativity and more profits.
Publishers prefer risky but potentially higher grossing projects over lower risk higher profit ones, the same shit is killing movies. Also, Taro's a hack.

>>379677316
nier automata sold over 1 mil
http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2017/04/04/nier-automata-crosses-one-million-copies-sold/

>>379677427
You and most of the milk-eyed sops that populate the customerbase of the video game industry, which is why something like Killer7 will never be made again.

>>379667652
>it's a "college freshman has the world all figured out" episode

>>379665206
you do realize that capitalism allows you to vote with your wallet right?

>>379667652
No, Kojima would have died in a famine or been shot because he's an intellectual/bourgeois.

>>379678289

You do realize that normies are stupid right?

>>379665602
That's nice honey, except you know that 250 millions used to "make the game" ?
225 of those millions were used to pay for advertising and others marketing ploys.
Making the actual game is really cheap, especially if you're smart enough to have your studio outside overpriced cities.

Death to kikes, niggers and leftists, may love win.

>>379665206
with a Guaranteed Basic Income more people would be able to afford media, expanding the paying audience and thus lessening incentive to do predatory ROI enhancements.

>>379667652

At least under capitalism you have enough creative freedom insofar as you generate income and dont rock the political boat.

Communism will littleraly have you working for extra rations because they can't properly price their products and have you churning out government propaganda in media form. Even less artistic freedom.

>>379678675
>implying Communism has to have price fixing
>implying Capitalism never has price fixing
You guys need to define your terms before you use them. Communism is vague and loaded.

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>>379665206
Greed is killing vidya. There exists a point for every industry where greed reaches diminishing returns.
The car industry learned this decades ago when they tried making rustbuckets that were complete shit, and ended up having their industry eaten alive by the Japanese.

The movie industry is just learning this now with releasing so many new movies that it is functionally impossible to make a profit on all of them. Even if every person who watches movies went every day of the week to watch a new movie every day, they couldn't make up for the shortfall. This includes China.

And soon, the Vidya industry will see this.

Greed goes up whenever times get tough. Our system is based entirely on the notion that everything must expand infinitely. That we have infinite room for growth and that bubbles will never, ever happen. For some industries, this works fine (agriculture). For others, this results in what we're seeing with microtransactions in pay to play games, freemium mechanics on every corner, and games that just sell you a title screen and then give you one map at a time.

It's going to continue this way until we have an industry-level resurgence; or another 1982 style collapse.

That said, we've had some good titles released in the past few years. We just don't cherish them like we used to because hundreds of games come out, now.

this is reddit now.
No, never mind, reddit is better. The fact OP hasn't been instabanned is proof of that.

>>379678889
>hundreds
thats funny.

>>379678675
>rations

Do amerikeks actually believe this? Americans were on Rations in the 30's.

>>379679054
better a dead line than a bread line
-Amerifats

Would free market capitalism save the video game industry or just make it worse?

>>379678592

All this would do is increase potential profit to be earned from trash due to even more normie influence. It'll also encourage them to spend more recklessly on media because they have extra income. So making one or two bad purchase decisions wouldn't be a big deal for them. All this would amount to is corporate welfare and even shittier more mass marketed dumbed down games.

I like to move it move it
I like to move it move it

>>379677148

most reddit reply you could've offered
see how this works, retard?

>>379679218
how would that be any different than the current situation?

All of the problems you've listed are from brand loyalty and desperate companies not wanting to let capitalism run its course. EA would have been dead years ago if their jewery weren't somewhat effective.

>>379679241
>normies are the enemy
what makes you not a normie exactly?

>>379679369
Well, the video game companies that make bad, broken, and unfinished games would go out of business.

>>379678821

I just assume he's talking about mainline Stalinism or whatever, if had had some specific anarcho femenist trotskyism in mind then he's the one that has to be clear.

>>379679054

>Socialism is communism
>Social programs are communism

>>379679525
how? it's not like we have massive government funding for game companies today. what exactly about the games industry isnt free market already?

>>379665206
Anti capitalist produced games don't hold a candle to the games that have been put out otherwise. (think prototypes and jam games) Its a very easy exercise, if its such a better method someone will put out a better game at some point. Its been decades where that hasn't been the case and there is virtually no roadblocks in 2017, no excuses left.

>>379679525
Only if people stopped buying bad, broken, and unfinished games. What would the free market change here?

>>379679629
the great depression results in the US government enacting: price fixing, rations, bread lines, public works projects, government backed unions, etc..

>>379679660
>Anti capitalist produced games
What does that even mean?

>>379679632
>what exactly about the games industry isnt free market already?

Well, the fact that greedy companies like EA, Activision, and Ubisoft keep getting away with their greedy practices.

>>379679704
Nothing, unless people stop buying bad, broken, and unfinished games, which I doubt they will stop.

>>379679946
idgi.... are you saying you want government regulation of predatory practices in the industry?
free market capitalism isnt going to do that.

>>379665206
>misguided pandering to women and minorities to try and expand their audience
Stopped reading right there.

Back to your hole. >>>/pol/

>>379680009
Yeah, that's my point.

>>379679946
That is exactly the result of an unregulated market, companies consolidate their power and shut out newcomers to secure their own position.

>>379679857
because every economic authoritarian believes they have a special brand that no one has ever tried before. if i put socialism for example someone would bring up their 17th derivative which is the same shit.

>>379679794

The intent was never to bring about utopia or a workers paradise, most of the measures were temporary and later they chartered most of those functions(arguably even worse).

Sure it leaned closer to communism for a time but not really communism.

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>>379674020
>Maybe we know what's best for video games

>>379680025
No, of course not. I'm just saying that if people understood how greedy companies like EA, Activision, and Ubisoft release bad, broken, and unfinished games, then they would go out of business.

>>379680165
just needed communism for a little bit to deal with how the entire economy was fucked by capitalists.
... why do we want capitalism?

>>379680118
I'm asking what you're talking about in the most basic terms, the words
>Anti capitalist produced games
do not mean anything to me. How could the production of games be anti-capitalist? What about it is anti-capitalist? Do you have any examples? I literally do not understand what you're talking about.

>>379677961
I was being sarcastic but killer7 is unironically a shit game and I'm glad the autistic fanbase that clings to it will never see a sequel.

>>379680104
Not really. You can't have a monopoly in a free market. Monopolies are created because of government regulation.

>>379680054
>>>/lgbt/
>>379673036
lol yeah we need 20000000 off topic New Vegas generals and waifushit posting instead.

>>379678449
We should try other systems that further empower the tyranny of the majority then.

>>379680208
So this free market model only works if everyone is perfectly informed about the companies and products involved, even though that is an absolute impossibility? Wow, what a great concept.

>>379678592
>Guaranteed Basic Income
>with free money x will be possible

No.

>>379680208
this is the great oversight (or lie) of libertarian-ancaps.
there is no such thing as perfect consumer information in economies and it in fact becomes even worse as monopolies and cartels form in a market with no regulation.

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DA TOVARISCH
SOVIET BLOC COUNTRY ARE FAMOUS FOR FINE ENTERTAINMENT AND VIDEOGAME.

>>379680370
If everyone is perfectly informed about the companies and products involved, then yes.

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>>379665206
You know developers couldn't get away with this if you just didn't fucking buy their games right? You vote with your wallet, and normies voted for all of those things you just listed off. Capitalists only make money from satisfying consumers, if they can make money from making mobage, making freemium games, pandering, streamlining and etc. then the problem isn't capitalism but the playerbase. Capitalism appeals to the masses, and you have different tastes. Ironically this system is for the betterment of everyone but you, so I think it's hilarious how you believe it's killing gaming for everyone.

Capitalism created gaming anyways, and things like copyright laws have nothing to do with capitalism.

>>379680307
How can monopolies (or similar states) not arise from an unregulated market? What is there to restrict the growing influence of a company in a certain market?

>>379680289
As an example: 6 people decide they are going to meet up for a weekend and produce a public domain game. There is no intellectual property being created, there is nothing being sold, they are not being paid by anyone to do this. Its mostly dumb student projects and art games you never want to play.

>>379680416
capitalism is democracy.
money is speech.
everyone has the right to speech.

thus we need give everyone money.
then everyone will have speech within capitalism.
free speech capitalism will solve the problems.

>>379680443
>there is no such thing as perfect consumer information in economies and it in fact becomes even worse as monopolies and cartels form in a market with no regulation.

No. Government regulation is the reason why monopolies end up existing. Without government regulation, no corporation would be able to lobby and the corporation that is selling poor quality products would go out of business.

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>>379680491
>If the literally impossible happens, then it works

>>379679525

Once companies amass enough clout/money after they strike big the safest bet for them to avoid decay is to use their influence to manipulate non market forces(bribery) in their favor or just in irregular ways(collusion). Honest business practices presuppose a moral framework.

Corporatism is the end result of capitalism with the only moral imperative being profit.

>>379680590
Competition, of course.

>>379680671
>Government regulation is the reason why monopolies end up existing.
this is bullshit but you believe it.

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>>379680481
witcher is awful and a rip off of elric of melnibone. subhuman slavs cannot go 10 seconds without stealing something and claiming it as their own.

>>379673036

Microshit's scumfuckery is always a problem wherever they try to put their sticky MINEMINEMINE fingers down.

But let's not fucking kid ourselves here. "blockbuster" AAA games + marketing and DLC out the ass is something Sony pushed just as hard(if not harder, since Sony has a tentacle in the movie business.)

Nintendo's the only company that hasn't really gone balls out with that yet, and that's only because nintendo systems have no "blockbusters" at all outside of first party, and only have diverse b-tier titles on handheld. They've been kept partially honest by their own shittiness.

>>379680661
>capitalism is democracy
Explain how.

>>379680661
>everyone has the right to speech.
Wrong. You don't have free speech on private property. If you walk into my house and start yelling obscenities I can kick you out. First amendment prevents government (not inherent to capitalism) from prohibiting speech.

This analogy is fucking retarded anyways because you call money speech figuratively and use speech literally in the next sentence.

>>379680702
Corporatism is caused when government and business merge and become one.

>>379680260

I never called myself a capitalist bud, either way here's a nice book you can read about the subject. Cba to find a pdf

https://www.amazon.com/FDRs-Folly-Roosevelt-Prolonged-Depression/dp/140005477X

>>379680671
Dumb people buy dumb products it's why rehashed cod games sell so well or why nobody gives a shit if a clothing manufacture uses literal slave labor.

Libertarians and Jewcap mistakes is thinking everyone is self sufficient and actually cares enough about corporations

>>379678592
It would also allow people who want to make games their own way but can't because they have to put food on the table doing some other job, be it something not related to games or making games the way some executive wants them made.

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>>379665206
Games, including video games, are inherently a noncapitalist activity. The defining function of games is that they are to be played and enjoyed. Video games specifically have an extensive artistic dimension to them, and art is another thing that's inherently noncapitalist. This underlying contradiction/conflict between capitalism and video games is why we get so many bad games and have to deal with the game industry and its awful practices.

>>379680876
???

Corporatism, also known as corporativism,[1] is the sociopolitical organization of a society by major interest groups, known as corporate groups, such as agricultural, business, ethnic, labour, military, patronage, or scientific affiliations, on the basis of their common interests.[2] It is theoretically based on the interpretation of a community as an organic body.[3] The term corporatism is based on the Latin root word corpus (plural corpora) meaning "body".[4]

In 1881, Pope Leo XIII commissioned theologians and social thinkers to study corporatism and provide a definition for it. In 1884 in Freiburg, the commission declared that corporatism was a "system of social organization that has at its base the grouping of men according to the community of their natural interests and social functions, and as true and proper organs of the state they direct and coordinate labor and capital in matters of common interest".[5]

Corporatism is related to the sociological concept of structural functionalism.[6] Corporate social interaction is common within kinship groups such as families, clans and ethnicities.[7] In addition to humans, certain animal species like penguins exhibit strong corporate social organization.[8][9] Corporatist types of community and social interaction are common to many ideologies, including absolutism, capitalism, conservatism, fascism, liberalism, progressivism, reactionism.[10]

Corporatism may also refer to economic tripartism involving negotiations between business, labour, and state interest groups to establish economic policy.[11] This is sometimes also referred to as neo-corporatism and is associated with social democracy.[12]

>>379680759
It's true, though. Through government regulation, any corporation can lobby and have a monopoly. If their was no government regulation, corporations would have to compete against each other to put out the best damn product they can make for the consumer. The government wouldn't be there to help them out.

>>379680742
Competition does not just arise from nothingness and huge companies are very good at keeping competitors from eating into their market share. Competition is not a magical force that always exerts itself onto a market, there has to be opportunity first.

i'd give everyone a ban if they havent read the communist manifesto

millennial mancucks make me sick

>>379667272
That's presented as if it was a good quote.

>>379680774
I thought Elric was ripped off for Warhammer Fantasys dark elf, Malus Darkblade. Not Geralt.

>>379681018
Thank you. I learned something new today.

>>379680794
>>379680863
CITIZENS UNITED
on a deeper level all money is a form of communication, having only a minority of the population communicating creates echo chambers which hobbles thought/industry/creativity/communities

>>379680590
Natural monopolies are quite rare, and the ones that do form are short lived and usually the result of a brand new innovation that other people haven't copied. Natural monopolies are also not toxic, because they are still facing competition, if they try profiteering someone else will gladly come up and take their spot and market share. The monopolies that are cancerous on society are ones that are protected by government regulations or privileges, and if you look at the history of monopolies in the US, most monopolies are of this variety. Monopolies protected by government face less competition and can get access to privileges that allow them to compete over other businesses because the government has a monopoly on the legitimate use of force. Take for instance minimum wage laws, these do not hurt Wal-Mart, but they make it harder for smaller businesses to compete with Wal-mart and creates barriers of entry that they have to pass just to enter the industry. Tariffs, grants, subsidies, act similarly.

>>379680876

I wouldn't exactly call it a formal merging but a symbiotic relationship of asscancer. Either way what's your point?

>>379681062
Government are the only people who can take true opportunity away.

Coca Cola can't outlaw your cart.
Apple can't demand you pay a $2 million permit filing fee.
Ford can't demand you wait for a 20 year study before you open for business.

>>379681062
True, you do gave a point.

>>379665206
I'll tell you what's ruining vidya or anything really.It's you.

>>379681129
You've got it backwards. Geralt was ripped from Elric. Elric was some pen and paper donut steel or something.

>>379681264
>gave

*have

>>379681039
yeah no. monopolies can form without governments.
i dont even need to dig around for proof of this as government itself has monopolies.

>>379681218
>what's your point?

My point is that corporatism is cancer and it does not exist in a free market.

>>379681205
I never said it wasn't metaphorically speech in my post. Your analogy is fucking stupid, take it to its logical conclusion, if free speech is absolute and equivalent with money then you should be given infinite amounts of money right? Making your currency completely worthless for gauging scarcity of resources.

>>379681018

We're talking about the modern slang term of what we've developed not the older theories associated with theology.

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>he thinks the current western world is capitalist

>>379681374
>monopolies can form without governments.

Not really. They form because of lobbying.

>>379681213
>>379681249
I agree with these, monopolies are bad in any case, but the free market is not immune to them and should never be seen as being "good enough" just because it's not the worst way to structure an economy. It still promotes heaps of practices that are blatantly anti-consumer and some that are even downright unethical.

>>379681062
>Competition does not just arise from nothingness and huge companies are very good at keeping competitors from eating into their market share.
Did you even read this oxymoron of a post? How are the "huge companies" keeping competitors from eating their market share NOT competition? You just said competition does not arise from nothingness and then just admit that competition is inherent to capitalism. Private businesses do not have monopoly power unless granted to them by the government.

>>379681409

For starters can you define free markets No government regulations or no government? Try to be specific please

>>379681374
The only examples people ever give are from people making constraints that are so damn specific of course there could only be one. Like saying that Taylor Swift has a monopoly on her music, conveniently ignoring the fact there is no monopoly on pop music.

>>379681430
>implying money isnt already infinite
money isnt an actual thing and floating points exist. this is literally how the banks profit.

>it's a /pol/ack doesn't understand basic economy and logic episode
Man I'm getting sick of these reruns

>>379665206
Capitalism and money have always driven the video game industry, you dumb nigger. Why the fuck do you think people made games in the first place?

>>379680350
>Y-you have to be gay to not hate women and minorities!
Nah, faggot. I'm just not an insecure teenage fedoralord who's afraid of people for being women and minorities.

I agree that capitalism is feeding the negatives of modern game development, but making non-historical games less of a European sausage-fest isn't one of them no matter how much it triggers the Trumplings.

>>379681578
then how did the government itself form?

>>379681641

Companies that strike it big can just as easily collude with their peers in order to bar competition and fix prices. Thats like saying groups can't form alliances against a common enemy.

>>379681730
America has a monopoly on Americans.

>>379681606
You didn't actually respond to any point in that post. Natural monopolies (a dubious term anyways because having a high market share doesn't mean you are the only producer of something) are not inherently bad, the only monopolies that are . Look at United States vs. Alcoa where the government punished a business that was too competitive. It produced the cheapest amount of a certain type of aluminum to consumers, how is that anti-consumer? It beat out its competitors, but how is that a bad thing? They competed so well and produced cheap aluminum so they're evil?

>>379681546
oh if we are talking like idiots who are dumb to read some basic economics or philosophy then in that case I have prepared a statement:

Feel the Bern 2020 Fuck Globalism and Drumpf the patriarchy can't keep the people of color down ANTIFA in the streets Naomi Klein in the sheets global warming is the biggest terrorism threat.

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>capitalism sucks wahh!!!
>can't come up with an alternative

always the same with you redditors.

>>379681934
>They competed so well and produced cheap aluminum so they're evil?
they're preventing what happens next.

>>379681708
A free market is a system in which their is little to no government regulation. Their is still a government, but it doesn't regulate any industry.

>>379681793
Through cooperation and team work.

>>379681981
Police in America have killed roughly the same amount of people so far this year as all the terrorist attacks around the world.

>>379681981

>littleraly arguing over semantics

If i'd have used the orthodox definition that no one is familiar with i'd have just caused confusion. This isn't an economics board faggot, stop pretending a google search somehow makes you a savant.

>>379682187
and violence and cartels and monopolies.

>>379681641
I thought the point of competition was to increase the quality of the goods being offered, how is limiting competitor opportunity conducive to that end?
Just any amount of competiton won't do, no one is going to change anything about their service or product because some tiny little store with a similar service opened in bumfuck nowhere, there has to be actual challenge.
And please point out how I admitted that competition is inherent to capitalism, and then also explain how that would be relevant.

>>379682273
Eh, that too, I guess. Not monopolies, though.

>>379682105

We used to have that, ask yourself why we don't now.

>>379682206

Yes because terrorists keep the peace do they?

Context denial is one hell of a drug

>>379681884
Price cartels are susceptible to the same competition as a big company, and are incredibly volatile, almost always imploding on itself. The wicked evil cartels such as phoebus cartel that didn't even last 15 years. Predatory pricing is complete fucking nonsense that doesn't stand up to logic nor reality. If you were to engage in "predatory pricing" you would be massively cutting your own prices which would hurt you way more than the small business you're trying to outcompete, especially when you consider that the big company would be losing out on a lot more money per sale because they sell larger quantities. How does price cutting hurt consumers anyways? That's a good thing. Smaller competitors making the big companies have to scramble and lower their prices? How is this negative?

>>379681738
Money is just a medium of exchange, it's supposed to represent resources in the real world. There are not an infinite amount of TVs. Giving everyone an infinite amount of US currency does not suddenly spawn infinite resources on the planet. The federal reserve and fractional reserve banking are fraudulent anyways and not an aspect of free market capitalism.

>>379681934
Monopolies stifle innovation and concentrate power, if that's not bad, I don't know what is.

>>379682269
its literally a thing because someone hates *corporations* and then added the word ism at the end. its nothing more profound than that.

and these same fucking dullards that say corporations are so bad can't even differentiate between sole proprietorships, partnerships, LLCs, S Corps, Co-ops, limited liability partnerships, franchises, or corporations.

>>379665206
>anti-capitalists are also anti-semites

Wow, who would have thought

>>379682316
Competition can be in the form of increasing the quality of goods or producing the same or similar good for a lesser price. In either situation the consumer is benefited. No one limits competitor opportunity but the government. The government is the one who makes it harder to compete by taxing businesses, restricting supply, making them comply with regulations and mandates. If you want to look at the entity that actually limits competitor opportunity than look no further. A private entity cannot force you to buy from them, you can say no to every exchange, except from government or political exchanges. Big companies aren't restricting competition, they're competing. Making it harder to compete by offering quality goods at low prices is a good thing for both that company and consumers. And if you don't like that company, you don't have to buy from them.

>And please point out how I admitted that competition is inherent to capitalism, and then also explain how that would be relevant.
You said that "huge companies are very good at keeping competitors from eating into their market share." That IS competing.

>>379682556
Read >>379681213

Natural monopolies (rarely exist) get their power from consumers. Government protected monopolies get their power via political exchange. If I run a steel company the government puts a tariff on foreign steel, that makes it a lot easier for me to dominate the industry doesn't it?

>>379682485

>It only happened for 15 FUCKING YEARS
>It ended so they won't be a problem

That's like saying it's impossible to have a state because it could collapse at any time due to competion on infighting.
These things will occur in the market just like anywhere else.

>Predatory pricing is complete fucking nonsense that doesn't stand up to logic nor reality.
>what are the Rockefellers

>>379682562

You can ree about it if you want but i'll just stick with it for the sake of expediency.

>>379683428
>>It only happened for 15 FUCKING YEARS
>>It ended so they won't be a problem
15 years is not a long time in the grand scheme of things. Price cartels have numerous weaknesses, if it's more profitable put their resources together they will just merge. If they try to profiteer a third party can and will gladly take the consumers the cartel is not satisfying. If its less profitable for any of the cartel members they will just leave.

Standard Oil was not evil in the slightest, this is just a meme. Standard Oil's efficiency reduced the price of refined oil from 30 cents to 6 cents in the span of 3 decades. The supreme court case found that they had over 150 competitors. At its peak it had an 85% market share, which isn't even a fucking monopoly, and fell to 64% before the anti-trust case.

>>379682421
Turns out police aren't great at keeping peace too desu.

>>379667931
>>379678059
People developed art out of passion for millennia before it was commercialized thing.

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Marxism is the way.

>>379684150

15 years is a long time for most start up companies trying to make it. You are missing the point anyway, cartels will always form and just because they have an expiration date doesn't mean they aren't a problem. It will be a never ending cycle of cartels and backstabs just like politics.

I'm not talking about the company as a whole but it's formative years in which they colluded to form the trust and later some railroads to undercut everyone.

>>379684978

Yep if you're a dumb nigger who thinks challenging a cop to single combat will get you out of jail time then sure. They can't keep the peace for those who don't want it.

>>379665206
>Surely there's got to be a better system
There is, it's ignoring AAA and playing doom mods.

>>379685487
Sure cops only kill people who are aggressive, yay!

>>379685825
Cops need to be taught that pulling a gun on somebody is a sign of friendly banter in black culture. This will prevent misunderstandings.

>>379677257
Your just retarded at every point.

>>379677316
this. big budget cancer is killing games. go back to many smaller budget games instead of cancerous bloated AAA games where the marketing costs more than the overly expensive game.
Spending over 10 million on a game is retarded.

>>379685970
Basically, this.

>>379674137
because the system we have actually works in ideal condition, much like the legal system would and society in general. the problem, the big, BIG problem is that humans are basically shitty, greedy fucks no matter what. it's in our nature and even in our culture and until we can find a way to remove that trait while maintaining ambition and creativity (if it's even possible) there's no system that will trully work that isn't extremely oppressive and controlling. and since those are no good either for other reasons, we're stuck with what we have.

the flaw isn't in the system itself it's in us. it's the same reason why socialism/communism doesn't work even though in theory it's "final stage" is a fucking utopia. corruption and greed are the main cause of pretty much every war or problem ever.

>>379674191
yes. and i don't say it ironically,i legit think we're fucked and our only hope is for the devs and studios that still do it out of passion to not get absorbed forcefully by bigger studios. maybe someday they'll get popular enough that people will remember that AAA cashgrabing isn't how it's supposed to be.

vidya wouldn't exist in a socialist economy. they would be deemed a "waste of resources" and pointless since we'd all be working 20 hr/day anyway.

>>379665602
Companies should stop spending so much money on marketing and development, then. Games don't need to have a trillion visual and audio features. Indie games succeeding prove that.

>>379685825

Yes they do, bodycams littleraly prooved that the reported numbers of justified police shootings matched up with reality. Then monkey lives matter wanted to remove them kek.

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>>379680260
because turnip rations would never give rise to thicc girls

>>379687058
lordosis

>>379687034
Are you fucking retarded?He's not talking about justified police shootings but the unjustified ones thus the sarcasm about how it's only aggressive ones getting targeted.I know racists have lower IQ than anyone but come on this is just braindead levels of insanity.

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>>379686190

>still doesn't get it

Here let my try to explain this in the simplest way possible.

If someone were to argue that cars change over time and as proof of this they compare a car made in 1915 with one in 2017. And if someone were to respond with "they were both exactly the same because they were cars" that person would be wrong.

>>379687058
jesus fucking christ I want to suffocate on that ass

>>379685248
>You are missing the point anyway, cartels will always form and just because they have an expiration date doesn't mean they aren't a problem.
You're right, what makes them not a problem is the fact that they are still susceptible to the same competition as any other business, predatory pricing doesn't work, and they don't any considerable amount of time.

The government price fixes more than any cartel, and it can force you to buy too. The Federal Reserve is a government protected cartel with monopoly power.

>>379665206
capitalism is why you have video games in the first place

if you want a free hobby that has nothing to do with an economic system, go outside and play with a stick and a rock

>>379665672
The best selling video game of all time (with a staggering 495 million sales) was made in the Soviet Union, you know.

>>379682964
>A private entity cannot force you to buy from them
Sure they can, because most people do not want to die. If a private company takes over groundwater or arable land or whatever the fuck by force, your only option is to buy your basic supplies from them. If they even want to sell, that is. This is especially likely if there is no government-like organisation to keep people in check. Centralised authority in western Europe fell apart after antiquity and you got shit like serfdom.

>>379687572

>an irrelevant number of people die because the police aren't perfect therefore anarchy
>fuck any benefits that come as a result of having police
>Food can give you stomach aces
>Fuck FOOD maaaaaaan!
>Look terists kill less ppl dan pigz
>pigz r da reel teriss

>>379685000
Capitalists are always claiming that all human activity throughout history was secretly capitalist because in contemporary society capitalism is able to dictate those things.

>>379687774

You're just dodging the major problem that cartels can pose AGAIN by saying they have an expiration date and the government is worse.

Sure government cartels are worse but market cartels aren't a solution.

>>379665672
communist countries are arguably the most successful at vidya

>>379665672
I really doubt you can dig up a Marx quote where he denounces video games or developing complex electronics.

>>379687698
>1915 cars are not cars because they're old
retard alert

>>379688603
They don't serve use for the proletariat, the peoples resources are better spent on advancing industrial, and agricultural technologies komrade

>>379688330
Fascism is the future jew slave

>>379688739
Marxist rthetoric =/= Marx. Nobody has read Marx, it's so frustrating.

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>>379688606

>reading comprehension

How old are you?

>>379688406
Just end your life Ivan.

>>379687572
blacks, and arabs on average have an IQ of 65-75 the same as a retard. The average black is literally retarded. Lower IQ, crime, and Violence correlate.

>>379688832
>it's not real "socialism" guy

>>379688191
Nice diversion attempt dumb dumb.Who is saying abolish the law enforcement entity?But the fact of the matter still stands, more people are going to because of police abusing their power then terrorism in USA and that is a fact.More people are going to die this year because they are fat than police abusing their power, that's a fact too.

>>379688606

Jesus fucking christ you mongoloid, exchanging goods and services isn't always capitalism you fuckit. No amount of you stretching the definition to virtually mean nothing will help your argument; And saying the same incentives today always applied to everyone throughout history is retarded. Do we have to dumb it down even more?

Capitalism is the reason video games exist and the reason the things you don't like are being made is because your a minority vs the rest of the market

It's a global market there goy, spend some sheckles and maybe things will change in your favor

>>379689065
That's quite a leap you took there for the sake of posting a 'sick burn' that was only tangentially related to the topic in question.

Who else is waiting for another video game market crash? Which company would drag the industry out of its grave if it does crash in the future?

>>379689249
>>379688850
>capitalism never existed till the Renaissance
you aren't going to backpedal your way out of this retard

>>379689225

ANSWER THIS QUESTION:

What benefits do terrorists contribute to our society?

What benefits do police officers contribute to our society?

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>>379689225
More, and more people are supporting the police because they've had enough of blacks, muslims and antifa running around committing crime, throwing riots, and being moronic in general.

What's your point exactly? You're either raging against human nature which is futile or you're suggesting the government make video games opposed to the free market? I don't have a particular love for free market economics (it's a natural condition of stable legitimate governments that guarantee contracts) but the alternative is...what?

>>379665602
Maybe if they didn't spend all their damn money on shilling and marketing then they'd actually have the money to make the game.

>>379689729
I'm not that found of the free market either, infact I'm a Fascist unironically. However I can't imagine a reality were video games were created under any form of economic system that couldn't be described as capitalist. While I do think that communist govt. could produce them it would only be after having seen it in a capitalist society. Capitalist using the broad definition not only a "free market"

>>379665206
The problem with video games is that retards keep buying them.
All the Facebook whining about DLC does nothing when they just mongle down the latest churned out garbage.

What reasons do the producers have to not milk a demographic so fucking stupid?
The only demographic more stupid is fat people, who can be persuaded to buy "healthy" things at a ridiculous mark up in so high quantities that they're never going to lose weight.

>>379665206
Capitalism has its flaws, but if there was no capitalism there simply wouldn't be any games made at all.

>>379688993
Say what you said about blacks and arabs is 100 percent true, so what?The lower the IQ the lesser the amount of evil they'll get away with.So they commit murder, rape, petty thivery...Someone with a high IQ on the other hand will get away with more evil, fraud, money laundering, drug trafficking, corruption, even war.So who hurts the society more, low IQ evil people or high IQ evil people, you tell me.
>inb4 low IQ automatically mean you can't be good

>>379689448
Police benefit people and terrorism benefits no one of course, but you wouldn't need to ask this question if you had the capacity to read.
>Who is saying abolish the law enforcement entity?

>>379678889
this nigga knows whats up

>>379690161

So then faggot what was your point? Don't have one now that you can't cherry pic stats and take them out of context?

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>>379690050
>'m not that found of the free market either, infact I'm a Fascist unironically
Wow, Australian hours are comedy gold

>>379690050
Fascism is more a governmental/philosophical system than an economic one. You could have free market fascism like most American fascists would advocate. Although, admittedly the definition of Fascism is pretty variable having no single founder or unifying manifesto so it can be vague what exactly fascism is.

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>>379690546

>WOW just WOW!
>I LITTLERALY cannot even!

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>>379690719
back to your board, pal

>>379680671
It's like we forgot the anti-trust law or something.

>>379681039
The government is precisely what keeps monopolies from forming, there are laws on the books that force a company to disband and realocate assets as defined in the Sherman Antitrust Act which has precedence set for exactly that, a la Standard Oil. And with that said there is an inherent tendency for companies to assimilate assets. Some opt for diversity while others opt for homogeneous assets. Those that prefer the latter, will, without regulation either fail or otherwise continue consolidation ad infinitum without regulatory agencies insuring competition.

The reason for this is simple, any corporation at its most basal construction has only one obligation and that is to increase its value for the sake of the shareholders and board members. The generation of revenue is one method of approach but in a lot of cases the demand is limited and so you either create more of the same or similar products to sate public or industrial demand, or you use the revenue to acquire more assets, to generate more product and increase stock value by bolstering material value, which is by design. In the procurement of homogeneous assets is where you find the foundation for monopolies.

>>379665206

Well, you're basically right. But when it comes to capitalism we've got bigger problems than video games, so you're preaching to totally wrong choir.

>>379681213
I don't think you understand the fundamental design of WalMart's tactics. They purchase at rates which no other chain could sell at, and because they're able to move so much product they not only have leverage with their suppliers but over their prices as well. They can buy goods at slightly cut prices and slightly cut their own in turn. This undercuts competitor prices which in turn generates a higher consumer base, they move substantial amounts of product at cut rates, but by moving so much product they manage to create more revenue. They proliferation is powered by this philosophy and the mass of revenue it does generate.

This is why Mom and Pop's can't compete, because they're cut out of the picture the instant they're on the scene. This is precisely why you're seeing a lot of artisan and boutique shops around, it's the only place where you can compete with an entity like WalMart. The leverage WalMart has over supply chains globally is the reason they're unstoppable. What's worse is it's undoubtedly fostered a co-dependence in not only marketing but in logistics as well. Meaning they have way more leverage due to a total lack of regulation than they should've ever been capable of having.

>>379665206
That has nothing to do with capitalism you fucking faggot

I love how you subtly hide the fact that games got exponetially expensive especially in AAA games but thats normie faults for keeping buying trash AAA games instead of AA or A games.

>>379665206
Capitalism ruins everything.
I'll keep it to vidya and prove it with one sentence that will allow you to draw the parallels needed:

you have consumers defending corporation's anti-consumer practices

>>379692429

>nothing to do with capitalism
>casuals showing the gaming industry they have low product standards
>they adjust to market demands in order to maximize profit
>Nothing to do with capitalism

>It's a /v/ trying to be /pol/ episode

>>379666586
Marketing the game is to ensure profitability, marketing is profitable and should have a net win on a game's profits.

>>379665206
Capitalism is fine.
It's max PROFIT and politic based on BENEFITS instead of in making something cool. But that's literally evolution.

Back then people would want to earn a decent living while making something they loved. And they did. Up until 2000 something we got a daily dose of god-tier vidya made by modest companies who were suddenly rising to the stars. Now that's where the beginning of the end began.

Now you may ask where the fuck are these companies these days? Did EA kill them all? bullshit. Tell you what: profit got them. Budgets skyrocketed as they hired professional voice-actors or celebrities, they added more graphics and realism, more soulless flashy things to impress "gamers". That sells. Mass selling is better than quality, and the industry is good at mass selling. That's what drove the nerds away and brought into the "business" the worst kind of scum.

And if you don't believe me go tell your local publishing house that you just wrote a book. I did, and this is the response I got: "Listen, dude, I don't care if you wrote the next Lord of The Rings or you're the reincarnation of James Joyce with three times more talent and about the same amount of sexual letters. I ain't selling your book. Are you a youtube e-celeb? Are you famous in any way? Did you eat shit in front of a camera and the whole world laughed at you? No? Then you're not going to sell well. We don't want good stuff, we want popular stuff; we want trendy stuff that people buy even if it's shit. We need to make money to keep the company high up."

And I wouldn't complain if I were you. Vidya is better than the rest.

>>379688172
And the creator didn't receive a single cent from the sales until the SU collapsed. Encouraging isn't it?

>>379692764
It isn't really a fault of capitalism but as some anons said before, its the fault of consumers being misinformed or stupid. It's almost always both.

>>379672975
Atari's case is a little complicated. Atari's suits didn't know how business worked, either. They'd set up a bonus system that made it impossible to turn a profit on selling software.

EA's creative golden age, when they were letting studios do their thing, giving them time, and were willing to take risks happened when EA was run by the former head of the baked goods division of Sara Lee. Riccitiello was the suitiest suit that ever suited.

Suits, as such, aren't the problem. Suits who can't do their job are the problem. The same thing happened to the music industry. Zappa described it in an interview.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP4wsURn3rw

>>379674030
>3.8 BILLION NEW NIGGERS BY CHRISTMAS
THAT'S AS MANY AS ONE BILLION NINE HUNDRED MILLION DOUBLE NIGGERS!!!

>>379693328

>catering to the least common denominator is "evolution"
>debasing the medium to the point of being clickbait is "evolution"

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>>379665672
In communism, necessary work would be shared, minimized, and aided by automation and labor-saving technologies. Communism will provide basic necessities to all in exchange for this minimal labor, and give everyone the time they need to better themselves and society. People who love making video games would be free to pursue their vision and collaborate with others without worrying about profit.

>>379665206
Capitalism isn't necessarily the problem, it's the consumers themselves. They enable this shit.

>>379693496

>If the right guy is in charge then there isn't a problem with how things are fundamentally run

The "good suit" always answers to shareholders at the end of the day and they are ten times worse than any bad company head.

>>379665206
Thanks to capitalism you can play vidya, millenial

>>379694324

>aided by automation and labor-saving technologies

Dude robots lmao

>>379694638
In capitalism, automation is an existential threat to labor. In communism, these technologies are embraced by the people because it actually means lightening the burden of necessary labor. We won't still require 40-hour-a-week bullshit jobs. We won't have systematic unemployment.

>>379690117
Not true.

The Soviet Union often had it's arts funded by the government. Of course, the downside of that is that almost all art produced becomes propaganda, but the fact remains that stuff still gets made.

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ACKSHULLY HOLD UP
*adjusts $300 square glasses*
SO YOU ARE SAYING
*checks email on iphone*
YOU ARE SAYING
*redeems Groupon coupon*
YOU ARE SERIOUSLY IMPLYING
*shifts nervously in his sister's jeans*
YOU ARE SERIOUSLY SAYING
*scoffs at job offer*
COMMUNISM DOESN'T WORK?
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>379694324
That's not how communism works
On top of that, your scenario is perfectly achievable in capitalism with improved basic income strategies

>>379694378
this

>>379665206

No, it's 100% the fault of the retards that buy said micro-transactions.

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>anyone who's ever lived in communism ends up hating it
>anyone who's ever liked communism has never lived in it (e.g. privileged westerner kids who've never worked a day in their lives)
really makes you think

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>>379694980
No, that's exactly what communism is. Communism is not state capitalism.

UBI is a social democratic reform that will be undone by the rich. As long as capitalism still exists, capitalists will still have all of the power. You will never be able to force capitalists to fund a basic income, and especially not when labor becomes largely unnecessary. If that happens and we're still capitalist, the rich will start getting rid of the rest of us, guaranteed.

>>379694324
how come communism has been tried many times and it never works how you described?

>>379695316
Because communism is post-capitalist, and so communists who have taken over feudal, pre-industrial societies instituted state capitalism with the intention of creating the future proletariat that would be capable of socialist revolution.

None of the "communist" countries were communist. They were run, at least initially, by communists with the intention of developing towards communism in a deliberate way.

>>379694849

Automation isn't an existential threat to workers in any system. That's like saying using oxen plows is an existential threat to farmers or something. Cost of living goes down due to higher efficiency and overall less work is required for subsistence. So people can choose to work less in other words. Most jobs in the future will probably be part time or shared with many other people than previously before. The automation itself will create many new jobs and only really unskilled manual labour will be affected.

Not to mention as technology progresses it becomes more compact and accessible so most people would have access to "means of production".

This would only become a problem(in any system) if people are autistic enough to think they can replace thinking(what we do) with AI. Or that it would even be desirable to begin with. These delusions can afflict any ideology.

>>379665206
Yes, the same damn thing happened to the music industry.
Just companies becoming too big and greedy where the main focus today is generating profit and jewery instead of pursuing creativity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M3rIoAz7xg

>>379674005
Adding onto this, another huge reason for greed overtaking the mainstream gaming market is the fact that companies have grown too large for their own good. Forced expansion of their companies when they really don't need to be any bigger inflates the cost of making games to an insanely high degree.

This high cost inevitably leads to targeting more people outside of the initial scope of the fanbases that they've grown over years by making actually good games. Targeting more people means that the overall quality of the games they produce becomes worse ad infinitum since they can't stop doing that now, otherwise they'll lose profit. Essentially, by needlessly expanding, companies are forcing themselves into a position where they have no choice but to target as many people as possible with subpar quality games instead of a dedicated fanbase with really good games. Taking a look at Blizzard would be a really good example of this evolution by expansion.

tl;dr Either game companies decrease in size and appeal to specific groups of people or the gaming market crashes and force that to happen. As far as I can see, it's the only way to save the quality of games.

>>379695531
>Automation isn't an existential threat to workers in any system.

EXCEPT for the system in which workers own the means and product of their own production. There is no wage labor in communism. The more productive we are as a society, the more this bounty is shared with all.

>That's like saying using oxen plows is an existential threat to farmers or something.

Look at the labor force participation rate and tell me that automation isn't an existential threat to workers under capitalism. Unemployment with no hope of future employment is essentially a death sentence in capitalist society.

>The automation itself will create many new jobs and only really unskilled manual labour will be affected.

That's a staggering inductive leap in a world where robots and expert systems are better than humans at EVERYTHING. Yes, low-skill labor is being eliminated, but even high-skilled jobs like lawyers and doctors are being replaced.

>Not to mention as technology progresses it becomes more compact and accessible so most people would have access to "means of production".

No, because people won't have access to the raw material inputs required - those will still be owned by capitalists.

Should videogames have been terminated at ps3/360 gen?

>>379695737

>or the gaming market crashes and force that to happen

So when pigs fly then?

Without capitalism, there wouldn't be no goddamn vidya in the first place.

>>379695949
Sure, but Jewmericans are taking it a few steps too far.

>>379695949
So? That doesn't imply video games wouldn't exist in a society based on a more advanced economic substructure.

>>379696006
They are the continent making the most shit games, but they serve as the biggest consumer market.

>>379695849

I don't think you quite understood what I wrote, try reading it again. This time dont ignore half of it.

>>379696078
You would have to prove that.

After all, knight jousting went out of fashion after feudalism ended.

>>379665206
Supply and demand. If people wouldn't want to play these games, they wouldn't be so successful and it doesn't matter whether you like them or not. Also

>implying video games are ruined in any way
There are tons of great for every genre.

>implying communism isn't just a jewish scam to rule over the goyim
Fuck off back to >>>/leftypol/

After many blunders of kikestarter and indie games in general, it's safe to say communism wouldn't be the perfect era for vidya either.

Some devs need to get their shit enforced by publishers in order for a good product.

>>379666650

>Captialism didn't exist until the Renaissance
>Renaissance had some the best content in history

So capitalism is not the problem

>>379696170
No, it's simply a fact that what you stated does not imply that video games would only exist in capitalist society. Your example is not sufficient; you would have to say that everything from feudal society no longer exists (because nothing survives this kind of social transition). A counterexample is that agriculture still exists in capitalist societies.

I see no reason that video games would cease to exist under communism. People would still want to play them and people will have the free time and resources to make and play them.

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>>379696247
>implying communism isn't just a jewish scam to rule over the goyim
>he says that while supporting capitalism
hehehe

>>379696170

No they didn't really, they became less popular long before it ended.

Most form of art prior to the capitalist model were by commission. I'm not a commie or anything but you don't need profit motive to create art. Let alone the same methods in which it's produced in the modern day.

>>379665206
Well you should be lucky that you have the right to freely think and the opportunity to even talk about it...and now your progress to the part where you see flaws in the system which is also pretty need for u. But of course you're just merely scratching the surface of what's actually going on.

Let's start a little thinking exercise...imagine the whole illusion of freedom we humans have is even in 2017 still build around the amount of nuclear weapons we stockpiling. Doesn't that make every little problem you try to solve obsolete in the greater scheme of things?

My tip...just relax and enjoy the slowly incoming self destruct while either riding the stream or fighting the waves. Anon out !

>>379696565
>No, it's simply a fact that what you stated does not imply that video games would only exist in capitalist society.
Considering so far video games only prosper in capitalism countries, I would maintain that fact. The USSR and eastern bloc aren't known for vidya.
>Your example is not sufficient; you would have to say that everything from feudal society no longer exists (because nothing survives this kind of social transition)
And why would vidya survive this kind of social transaction?
> People would still want to play them and people will have the free time and resources to make and play them.
Same can be said for knife jousting, but look at what we have here.

>>379696617
Knight jousting ended with the industrial revolution.
>Most form of art prior to the capitalist model were by commission. I'm not a commie or anything but you don't need profit motive to create art.
Holy fuck, did you just contradict yourself?

>>379696578
>hehehe he said with Marx kosher cock deep down inside his throat
Your point?

>>379696908

>reading comprehension

The artists always have a profit motive obviously, i'm talking about the patrons who don't. When you have a sugar daddy who just wants you to make art then you have creative freedom. Unlike the average "artist" working for DLC corp who's only motive is milking normies.

Feudalism ended well into when firearms were introduced and long aftr heavy cavalry was already obsolete. Stop being historically illiterate.

>>379694270
Evolution doesn't mean good.
Have you seen that movie called "Evolution"
They had a small ayylien ecosystem which evolved from mosquitoes to saurians to intelligent apes and a whole lot of diversity, but when you give it full power the whole ecosystem "evolves" into a mass. A simple organism that it may not be intelligent or even advanced as a species, but it grows and grows. Success brought profit.

>>379665206

Capitalism ruins evverything anon. And yes vidya too. Mass consumption and mass production are never good.

>>379697312
But, we, the consumers, are the patrons, and we don't do it for profit, we do it for fun.

>Feudalism ended well into when firearms were introduced and long aftr heavy cavalry was already obsolete. Stop being historically illiterate.
Kings are perfectly capable of using guns and cannons, see the English empire.

>>379665672
Tetris was made in the Soviet Union you absolute mongloid

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Westerners are class cucked uber-goyims from millennia of feudal rule. It is NO WONDER why they defend capitalism, tooth and nail. Pathetic.

>>379695942
Pretty much, yeah. Quality games are, or at least were fairly scarce up until recently. This >>379678889 anon put it really well:
>That said, we've had some good titles released in the past few years. We just don't cherish them like we used to because hundreds of games come out, now.

The reason hundreds of low quality games come out is for exactly the reason I stated earlier. Companies that are too large trying to appeal to as many people as they possibly can to make up for the money they're spending on insanely high marketing costs. For people who care about high quality games being made, it's basically a lose-lose scenario no matter what they do at this point.

>>379698036
As opposed to...easterners?

>>379698112
Are you deliberately being stupid or were you dropped as an infant?

>>379697472

>But, we, the consumers, are the patrons, and we don't do it for profit, we do it for fun.

No we are the patrons for the corp, not the artist. The company handles compensating artist as a middleman.

This is a huge problem because most consumers are dumb and uninformed about even basic products. It isn't the same as a nobleman or the church sponsoring someone, these people were littlerate on the topics and served as litmus test while at the same time not being interested in quarterly earnings. So the middleman effectively did not exist and artists were given much more freedom with patrons who's only concern was them making good art.

Holdovers from the feudal era aren't indicative of them still practicing feudalism.

>>379665672
the best game ever was made in the soviet union

>>379698178
Uh, kickstarter exist.

You can effectively be the patrons you want to be.

Surprise, games are still shit.

>>379698176
I'm sorry?

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Honestly I find communists to be the silliest and most retarded people on the planet. They're so unwilling and unable to look at the world and success through a historic lens, while their cognitive dissonance prevents them from viewing the successes and progress brought about by systems they aren't fond of. Additionally, they tend to refuse to acknowledge basic principles of cause and effect, which is a basis for capitalism but entirely missing from the ideas and practices of communism

>>379698278

No shit anyone can use crowdfunding, even normies.