/v/ WILL DEFEND THIS

>>379641818
what about it, i knew the game wouldnt look like the top. its a concept image

video for the unenlightened ones

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTVYb6xeUcU

>>379642029
Why couldn't they make it like the top though? Why not go full stylish eye candy 2D instead of this lame "2.5D".

>>379642029
>backers remorse at full effect

>>379642289
because it costs literally ten times as much.

bottom shot is obviously extremely unfinished..what you should take from the new video is that hit detection and feel look great, basically just like sotn

It's another Mighty No.9

>>379642482
no, i've never had remorse for a single thing i've backed, because i've only backed things that turned out well

the top image was literally labeled "concept art does not represent real game"

>>379641818
>he still tries

>>379642518
>lmao at people who will defend this piece of shit to its grave just like mighty number 9

>>379641818
>Concept art

>>379642128
That looks a lot better than the previous video they made. Still leaves something to be desired though, hopefully there's still more polish on the way.

>>379642518
>literally ten times as much
Just because you put $500 in doesnt mean you can tell lies

>>379642518
>extremely unfinished

It will look like that on release, mark my words.

>>379642518
There already exists a ton of games that look like the top image though. Games made on an indie budget even.

>>379641818
kikestarter remorse thread?

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>>379642518
how can team with ten times less money do it so much better then?

>>379642289
for the same reasons you've been told for two years

>>379642518
but anon
their goal was $500,000
they raised 5,500,000
literally 11 times as much as they wanted

>>379641818
Bottom one looks better.

>>379641818
So lifeless and boring

>>379641818
I'd like to see whatever attack she's supposed to be using in the top image. Clearly the bottom is just a basic thrust, but the top is some special ability. Doesn't make sense to compare them, it's like saying Ryu's cr.mp doesn't look like a hadouken.

>>379642518
>drawing key frames for animations
>costing ten times as much as 2.5D
Vanillaware should have more debt than fucking Greece by now.

>>379643040
to top it off the game will be released in 2020 at the rate they are going

>>379643327
Yeah because there's absolutely no other comparison to be made here.

>>379641818
Who approved that trailer? Not only was it boring, long, and doesn't convince me to purchase the game, but it shows the mechanics to a fucking boss fight.

>>379643040
More money doesn't have to mean more photo realistic. They're probably sticking with their art style and going to instead flesh out the content itself. The only thing that feels lacking to me so far is a bit on the lighting side in some scenes and perhaps more shadows and fog in some scenes. Everything looks too crisp and clean in every shot, it doesn't really feel to me like some haunted spooky castle dungeon thing.

For all we know though maybe they really are fucking with the money and it turns out to be shit all around. We'll just have to wait and see.

>>379643357
Vanillaware games look like shit and have no content.

>>379643327
if you play the demo or see the footage you will see that all the weapons have really simple and normal animations and the spells are boring stuff like fireballs and shit

>>379643417
the bottom's HUD is better than the top, bars are more readable at a glance than nummbers, so there's that. And the bottom is a single enemy, compared to several different enemies on the top.

>>379643473
If that's true then what the hell would you call this?

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>>379642518
No it does not fucking Igashill just you wait till my highly inclusive and diversive game Indivisible comes out with MORE animation and LESS cost than that hack Igafune, you'll see what the cost of game development can do in the right hands which are mine and not yours.

>>379642029
Even the bottom HUD looks like generic shit now and the top was just concept art.

>>379643632
i hate health bars they are so fucking ugly and are in every japanese games

there are other ways to convey health, they could have the number on top pulse when you are on low health or have the rose lose a lot of petals, instead they went for ugly megaman health bars

>>379643636
Not some clipart seizure you only play from screenshots.

>>379642950
What game is this?

>>379643473
lmao mad baby that didn't play the best George game

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Interview with Developer Dico:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m20wmdMC6ck
Trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTVYb6xeUcU

Leaked gameplay (leaked incomplete E3 Demo lacking music):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyBWchAreo4

Next update vid will be director Shutaro Iida (Curry the kid). Send him questions/suggestions (suggestions should be formatted as a question) @swordorwhip #AskCurry

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>>379641818
>yfw you didn't back Bloodstained

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>>379643909
blasphemous done by edgelords with their pocket money and a kickstarter

>>379642518
>How to make 2D background
Just draw and color it
>How to make 3D background
Create every single object by hand, model it, texture it, add certain effects, place that item on the plane and repeat for every fucking element and last step is to create lighting and additional effects for the stage
Yeah I can see which one looks more expensive and time consuming you fucked whore

>>379644031
Looks fucking horrible. Honestly an insult to my favorite series. I ashamed that people even backed this absolute travesty. This is like the berserk cgi anime of gaming except retards actually paid for it.

>>379643357
>vanillaware
>frames

>>379641818
A little rough around the edges but I can safely say that this is a Castlevania game.

There's no annoying broadcasters spouting memes about how awesome the game is, the animations are fast and precise, the gameplay is close to SOTN, the only bad thing I can say about it is the graphics but judging by the textures it might just be an unpolished build and the graphics do look like they've improved a bit since the last trailer.

Overall, I'm cautiously optimistic about this game.

>>379644223
Another poorly animated screenshot simulator.

>>379642950
woah what game is that?

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>>379644054
dodged a bullet, they got all the dumb waifufags though

>>379644470
based retard

>>379642289
>Why couldn't they make it like the top though?
teach someone how to draw in 3d assets

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>Graphicsfags have completely taken over /v/

Can we call one game shit for actual gameplay and story rather than how shitty it looks compared to a mockup?

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>>379644054

>>379642950
2.5d is a plague

>>379641818
>a game doesn't look like concept art
Wow I cant think of a single game that doesn't look 1:1 like its concept art..
retard

>>379644678


DAHNALD


HAND OFF THOSE BURGELEGATES

>>379641818
Animated shit on the top looks just as bad. They should have just made it look like how games like Azure Striker look.

>>379644761
this game will go down as MN9. 2.5d is SHIT, especially if kickstarter. especially if jap dev. They CANNOT make good games. Fuck sake man

>>379644616
ok the gameplay is slow and floaty as fuck, super easy judging from the demo

cant talk about the story, but my expectations are low

>>379644909
it already looks better than MN9 tho

>>379641818
It looks like that shitty 3DS Lords of Shadow game.

REMINDER: Never invest in a kickstarter without gameplay. God, this looks awful. Literally every area had the same color palette and design. What shit.

>>379644969
I'm pretty sure Castlevania has always been slow and floaty.

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>>379644794

>>379645080
holy shit the apologists are real

>>379645172
Name three good games.

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>Looks like the NDS games in 3D
>just what I wanted
>a little rough in some areas but it should improve by the end

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>>379644054

>>379643357
Vanillaware games animate like fucking shit

>>379645172
What's wrong with making a spiritual successors movement exactly the same as the previous titles?

I do agree with too easy. Nearly all PS1 and beyond Castlevania games were way too easy. I really wish there'd be one with challenge but Konami is basically dead at this point.

>>379642128
Yeah, looks kinda meh. They really need to improve gameplay and looks.

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>>379645105
Honestly looks better and more appealing.

ITS ALMOST AS IF THE GAME IS STILL IN DEVELOPMENT

This is the problem with anything crowdfunded. People get shown works in progress, and stupid mouth breathers are mad it doesn't look like a finished product.

Fuck /v/

>>379645042
a turd better than a diarrhea pile NICE BRO

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>>379645253
agar.io

>>379642704
Who are you quoting?

>>379645597
I have a scat fetish.

>>379645596
same SHIT was said in every MN9 thread. just give up its guna be shit youll NEVER recapture those old feels u felt. THEY ARE GONE!

>>379644969
>gameplay is slow and floaty as fuck
Just like EVERY OTHER IGAVANIA

>>379645585
It looks like a disjointed amalgamation of pixel sprites, a painted tree, and 3d props made in Maya. It also has terrible gameplay, since the tag system is awful.

>That font
>That HUD
Christ

>>379642950
>how can team with ten times less money do it so much better then?

It's out already?

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>>379644054

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>>379641818

>let's make a room snow white in contrast to all this blood and shit
>but let's also use our shitass lighting system that makes the white look stone gray, defeating the purpose

>>379645719
Please do neck yourself

The game looks fine, and every single time we see the game it looks better then the last.

>>379642128

I hope they let backers play this year's demo like they did last year.

>>379641818
top looks interesting
newgrounds link?

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>/v/ not realizing this is an extremely low budget game with the budget a bit more than a standard Playstation game and lower than the average PS2 game.

>>379645596
Yeah, like dead cells which looks like finished game but still in development™

>>379643696
>full American salaries
that's an interesting way to say a gorillion contractors from the internet

>>379642950
>slashing a dude with a downward strike sends them backwards and up
Dumb

>>379641818
bottom one looks better really, as a still image
the problem is the bottom one in motion looks like pure ass, like no effects or anything and so lifeless

>>379646043
Dead Cells is literally in early access and mostly in a finished state for consumers. Bloodstained isn't even going to be out until next year.

Either most of you flat out cant enjoy video games anymore, or you just have fun hating things.

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I think the real lesson to be learned here and with MN9 is to not launch your kickstarter unless you can present an art/graphical style that's doable within your proposed budget. Almost all games have concept art that's way more appealing than the finished product, but traditional publisher-backed games don't have to sell the game to the masses on the quality of the concept art, then backpedal later and tell everyone the game looks much uglier than they anticipated.

Then again, they've already got your money, so I guess there's little incentive for them to be honest in their initial pitch.

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I hope you guys realize that the only good Igavania was Symphony

The rest are boring as fuck

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>>379646043

>>379646356
No they aren't, retard.

>trying to convince fans of Iga that this looks poor in comparison to the last 5 Iga games that have been the most abusive cases reused sprites in games ever

It could look like fucking piss and turds slapping around I'd still play it because Iga knows how to make exploration, combat and movement better than most who'd attempt metroidvania who aren't nintendo.

>>379646278
Name one game that looks as good as its concept art.

Hard Mode: Name one 3D game that looks as good as its concept art.

>>379645886
why are you SO passionate for this shit? its bad man. its not like its some kino amazing game. its a 6/10 at best

I'm honestly so fucking amazed how these shitty kickstarter games are able to amass so much money. Like who in their right mind backs these games? How do they get that much funding/backing with barely putting out a proof-of-concept? It truly is an unexplained phenomena.

>>379646614
Dark Souls

>>379646671
don't need a proof of concept for a game that readily admits it's not doing anything new

i backed it because sotn is the best pure single player game ever made

>>379646614
I don't think anyone understands the concept of CONCEPT ART

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I fixed it.

>>379646653
Why are you so intent on shitting on everything? I get annoyed as fuck whenever /v/ tries to make something the new tortanic.

I swear its like none of you even like video games.

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>>379646614
There are a few.

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>>379644054

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>>379644054

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the fucking gba games look better than this shit

>>379646808
>implying they care
They just want to shit on the game. At all costs.

>>379647104
no, they dont. fuck off with your facebook photos

>>379647104
Are you implying the gba games look bad?

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>>379646614
guilty gear xrd

>>379647346
I fucking hate this board so much. More then any other board most people here seem intent on hating every game.

>>379646614
smt nocturne's models

>>379647572
Not hard given that concept art fucking blows

>>379647742
Post concept art, not finished designs. Actual concept art.

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I love these threads. You can tell who the legit shills are by the way they are pissed that everyone shits on their game.

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>>379647572
>GGXrd
>everyone's proportions got changed

>>379641818
Git gud. That top panel was from the earliest portion of development. What? Does your game stay 100% the same all throughout development? Inb4 shill didn't donate a cent

This is why graphics and art direction matters

How can you invest yourself into the world without it? I am not autustic enough to see the game only by its gameplay.

looks alright to me

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>>379647776
being honest about what the game could realistically looks like is better than making some beast art work that can't be replicated with the budget they have.

>>379642128
honestly the more i look at it the more i kind of like it
If street fighter V was a platformed it would look like this

>>379647697
Surprise, /v/ is full of absolute retards. There was also the Indivisible update where dipshits here thought Lab Zero had removed all shading from the characters due to budget.

Anyways as a developer: Lighting and shading is one of the last things you work on. It's relatively easier to find a good shader that improves the look of your game. What's more important is that the animations in the game look excellent (all of the bosses blood animations are visceral while also not being overly blinding) and it's a big improvement over the previous videos.

>>379644276
Congrats anon, you're retarded and have no clue how much more expensive it is to animate in 2d vs 3d. Hand-drawn 2d animations are expensive as fuck; it's easier and cheaper to go through the process of modelling, texturing and animation of a 3d model than 2d.

Also you're double retarded for thinking that 'planes' somehow don't exist in a 2d game you fucking dumb faggot. Or lighting, for that matter.

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>>379648091
so? it still ended up looking better than the concept art which is what anon asked for.

>>379648630
Thank you for having common sense. I just really can't deal with fucking idiots treating unfinished games as if its ready to be shipped out next week.

Then they spout shit like
>You'll see! This game is going to look exactly like this on launch!

>>379648630
>Congrats anon, you're retarded and have no clue how much more expensive it is to animate in 2d vs 3d. Hand-drawn 2d animations are expensive as fuck; it's easier and cheaper to go through the process of modelling, texturing and animation of a 3d model than 2d.
Not to mention the jump to 1080p has only made it more expensive to create high rez 2D.

>>379647915
So /v/ consist only of shills and people who hate video games? Guess people who like games dont exist.

>>379649071
What?

Both look cheap as fuck

Inti Creates phoning it in again

>>379649176
Looks like they showed part of the game that was super unfinished in a thumbnail, and after that they never showed the game in the thumbnail again.
Probably due to negative reception.

FORGET THE GRAPHICS, LOOK AT THE UI IN THE CONCEPT ART. The final is so generic and disgusting.

Why would they THROW that away?

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>>379646901
lel

>>379649367
>negative reception
I JUST don't get it man

Why is it such a hard thing to comprehend that games don't look like they would in a finished state from the get go?

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>>379649390
This. UI design is undervalued in modern games.

>>379649390
I'd rather have a healthbar then that shit in the concept

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>>379647915
The best feeling is when a game gets released, turns out to be mediocre, and yet buyer's remorse fags flock to threads to justify their purchases.

Happened with mn9, happened with yooka laylee, and will happen here.

>>379649390
Because one was shitty to read and understand on the fly vs a health bar + mp bar immediately giving you feedback as to how much damage and how much magic something costs?

>>379649823
B-BUT THE BOTTOM ISN'T AS STYLISH THEN THE TOP! THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS.

All the updates to classic games I buy like Dariusburst or Raiden V look worse than Bloodstained.

I don't know what everyone is bitching about. This is at least better than much of what Japan has given us in recent years.

>>379642128
Gonna be honest.. everything except the artsyle looks pretty great in that. I was legitimately worried about hit detection and wether or not it would look and feel like a Castlevania game.. which is really all I want. Poor execution of that might limit things like the boss fight that was shown. The fight itself looked mediocre, but clearly hit detection won't be a problem.

And really, the style isn't exactly game breaking. I didn't back this game, but I'm kinda glad people did as of right now.

>>379649823
never had a problem with sotn's ui

>>379650606
The lack of a health bar was always a problem in SOTN

>>379650606
Except that bars have been categorically proven to be a more effective feedback than numbers. No one really cares what you didn't have a problem with. They want more than just your money, which they probably were never gonna get anyway.

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>>379644054

>>379649390
probably because its hard to read at first glance

>>379642289
>don't read the kickstarter page
>cry when stuff that has been stated since day 1 happens

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Will Symphony of the Night ever be topped?

>>379641818
So the difference is that the screenshot doesn't have red windows in that area or is using an ability.

CAUGHT RED-HANDED. CHECKMATE ATHEISTS.

>>379641818
They both look awful. Also, it could look gorgeous and it would still be no better than a 7/10 to me because it's a 2D game in 2017. The last really good 2D game was Hard Corps Uprising in 2011 and that was an exception.

>>379651232
Tell us about some good 3D games.

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2.5D is a fucking mistake. Does anyone like it? People like late nineties 2D games because of the detailed sprites, gameplay coming second.

Pic related, this game would be unplayable trash with 2.5D graphics.

>>379642814
What are they?

>>379651076
SOTN is overrated as fuck and not even the best Igavania

>>379651391
What exactly do you want to know?

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>>379641818
I know that really smooth looking run animation is meant to look like SotN but it doesn't look right on a 3D character. That's my only real complaint as someone that has not looked at this game since it was announced.

>>379651408
>Does anyone like it?
I do
>Pic related
Oh, you're just another retarded vanilawarefag.

>>379651610
Objectivelly wrong opinion.

>>379641818
>In that same fucking post it also says art not indicative of final product.

I fucking hate you fucking people.

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>>379651408
>People like late nineties 2D games because of the detailed sprites, gameplay coming second.
>gameplay coming second
>gameplay coming second
>gameplay coming second
>gameplay coming second

>>379651781
SOTN is literally babbies first castlevania.

>>379641818
>Sprite-styled animation on 3D character models
Why
Why, it has never worked
It always looks like the pinnacle of retardation

>>379652154
>it has never worked
False

>>379651912
But why does the game has to look like absolute garbage?

Seriouly, look at the texture on the brick wall on the left side, or the complete lack of lighting on the foreground, making it a disconeted mess from the background. Also why is the camera so zooned out?

>>379649564
its just japanese games and their love of BIG HUGE ASS HEALTHBARS

>>379652291
>But why does the game has to look like absolute garbage?
Because it doesn't and you're just a retarded jaded fuck.

>>379652189
Like...?

>>379641818
I like the bottom more, but I do with they made character larger, too small in relation to the level size.

>>379652291
ITS ALMOST LIKE THE GAME IS A WORK IN PROGRESS

MAN I WONDER WHY THIS GAME THATS CURRENTLY IN DEVELOPMENT LOOKS UNFINISHED

I fucking hate all of you

>>379652426
Guilty Gear Xrd, King of Fighters XIV, Bloodstained.

>>379642128
something about it feels really flat and boring

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>>379642128

>>379652587
Stop this Kamiya meme

>>379652587
KAMIYA WAS RIGHT

>>379652131
Which do you think is the best Castlevania then shit eater?

>>379641818
>/v/ WILL DEFEND THIS
Bullshit, /v/'s been shitting over it because they believe they can make Tortanic happen twice.

>>379652727
Both Soma games, then OoE.

>>379652572
See >>379652501

>>379641818
>/v/ WILL DEFEND THIS
ITS STILL IN DEVELOPMENT YOU AUTISTIC FUCK

THAT'S WHY THESE ARE CALLED FUCKING DEVELOPMENT VLOGS

>>379641818
/v/ might, but I won't. By chance, I saw the very day it was announced and immediately got hype. As soon as I saw it was 2.5d, that hype left as quickly as it came.

IGA is a mortal man just like you and I

>>379652970
We knew from day 1 it was a 2.5D game you fucking idiot

>>379641818
/v/ only likes AAA titles with 3 hours of content for 90 dollars

>>379652954
>IT-IT-ITS JUST A BETA

>>379641818
>first MN9
>now this

2.5D was a mistake.

>>379653106
It fucking is! This isn't even early access, they don't need to be showing us any of this shit.

>>379653087
I fucking know, jackass. I saw the thread, checked the kickstarter link, and my excitement immediately went away

>>379642814
The only indie game that tried to do hand drawn 2D graphics was skullgirls and they ended up needing publisher money in the end and had a very limited cast and a hard time updating due to the hand drawn art.

>>379653242
And you're an idiot. There is nothing wrong with 2.5D

>>379653106
Its not even in a beta state

>>379650519
>Gonna be honest.. everything except the artsyle looks pretty great in that. I was legitimately worried about hit detection and wether or not it would look and feel like a Castlevania game.. which is really all I want. Poor execution of that might limit things like the boss fight that was shown. The fight itself looked mediocre, but clearly hit detection won't be a problem.
>And really, the style isn't exactly game breaking. I didn't back this game, but I'm kinda glad people did as of right now.

This is literally the same shit people said about Mighty Number Nine.

>>379652563
>Guilty Gear Xrd

I'll give this too you, but that's only because the 3D models give a sprite art illusion. Game as whole looks fantastic though

>King of Fighters XIV

Fuck no, KoF sprite art was always colorful as fuck, the 3d models toned that down and made it look more generic. SF4 and 5 would be better examples IMO.

>Bloodstained

>>379641818
It´s mighty no.9 all over again.

>>379641818
Companies need to stop letting viewers in on the dev process. All the best games had a bunch of cut content and don't look like their concept art but we didn't know any better. Treat the customer like mushrooms, feed them shit and keep them in the dark.

>>379642128
i understand the game is still in development, but you'd think they'd at least put some effort into polishing up a trailer. the boss's mouth doesn't even move when she giggles.

>>379653403
>KoF sprite art was always colorful as fuck
No you fucking idiot

KoF has ALWAYS been SNK's most low effort franchise. Literally every other game they made looked better.

>>379652501
>>379652841
That always gets said doesn't it? I can't wait to see the major graphics revisions you're expecting. It's going to be like night and day, they're really going to work so hard to change everything this late into development

>>379652587
Needs to be updated to reflect the Scalebound world you live in.

>>379653285
it's ugly as shit and every 2.5D (or I guess what I mean is 2D gameplay with 3D modeling) metroidvania sucks nuts

>>379653394
No one knew anything about MN9 until the last months when they actually decided to show gameplay.

>>379653452
Otherwise we get threads like these where people blow a fucking gasket seeing an unfinished game.

>>379653498
>this late into development
Are you high?

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>>379653554
>No one knew anything about MN9 until the last months

>>379653498
>I can't wait to see the major graphics revisions you're expecting
see >>379644031
The game is literally changed each time we've seen it.

Almost
Like
Its
Still
In
Development

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>>379642289
>Why couldn't they make it like the top though? Why not go full stylish eye candy 2D instead of this lame "2.5D".

Like Mighty No. 9 it was gorgeous in its first iteration, but actually making the game like above would require people with genuine talent, which is crazy time and $$$. That isn't hyperbole; making 3D props, especially bland ones such as these, is something anyone can technically do. It's basically following schematics/tracing pictures in 3DS max, then just placing everything and making sure lighting is right. That's it, you just need people off the street who are competent enough to read a schematic; I mean fuck, you can nearly make a whole dev-team out of them. No artists required, which is why this game and No.9 both ended up looking like complete ass.
Of course they went all artsy with the concept, because they know that's what looks better. But now that they got people's money they're cheaping out.

>that feeling when you're an artist and the sight of what they did to this game makes you actually, physically ill

God damn, Castlevania and Mega Man are two of my favorite things in gaming, and partly responsible for what got me into art when I was a kid. What a sad fucking ending to them..

>>379641818
>/v/'s constant "TOR OF KICKSTARTER" meme
Much like how /v/ claims all hyped AAA games will be "THE NEXT TORTANIC" every single kickstarter game will be "THE NEXT MIGHTY BLUNDER 9 (formerly the next 3.3 million)"

>>379653685
The only thing we really knew about MN9 was that it got delayed a bunch of times and they dropped gameplay features to focus on the shit dashing mechanic.

Even then, MN9 wasn't a shitty game because it was 2.5D, MN9 was a shitty game because the gameplay was subpar and nothing like either the Megaman Classic or Megaman X games that inspired it.

>>379653748
You sound like an overdramatic pussy

>>379641818
2.5d is a disappointment, but as long as it plays like SoTN, which judging from the demo it does, I'll be happy. Maybe IGA can hire the Blasphemous guys for spritework next time.

>>379653870
>The only thing we really knew
Goddamnit what the fuck is wrong with you faggots?

>No one knew anything about MN9 until the last months
to
>Well we did know things

God damn I hate this board never standing my their statements

>>379652587
>says the business man who just makes deals to make shitty licensed garbage games and nothing else

>>379653908
Why is SOTN the only game you casuals can mention

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>>379653902
And you sound like a backer in damage control.

>>379654104
>>379652714
>>379653503
Are you guys retarded?

>>379654051
>Le /v/ is one person meme
kys faggot

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stop being mad at video games.

>>379652587
How can one man be so based?

>>379654131
No need for damage control when im genuinely happy with each new update. The game looks better every time we see it and im still excited.

Shame you've become such a jaded fuck and can't enjoy anything anymore.

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ITT: Backers remorse

>>379654216
If he's so based why did his dream game get shitcanned.

>>379643040
I never get this argument. If they planned and designed for a 500k game and you give them 5.5 mil they are not going to redesign their concept to now be based off a budget 11 times what was intended. This is why every single kickstarter project that goes way over doesn't show it. If they were to use that money they'd need to scrap any development or designs they had currently done and start from step 1, which means the game likely wouldn't come out for 4-5 years after the kickstarter finished

>>379654114
Because it's the game everyone wanted, and the game most people think of when they hear "Koji Igarashi." I mean, yeah, there are other good "tansaku" games like La Mulana and Valdis Story, but everyone wanted a new gothic platformer like IGA was known for.

>>379641818
It looks like a porn game from almost 10 years ago, can't remember the name but it looks almost exactly the same, had a sequel in the works too that never released if I remember right.

>>379654165
You first shill.

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This seems familiar.

>>379652587
I like his "tell it how it is" style.

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>>379652587
>>379652714
>>379653503
>>379654104
>>379654216
I'm convinced /v/ only consists of idiots at this point

>>379654387
Understanding MN9's gameplay, I don't think having the graphics be this good would have saved it.

Indie devs are killing video games with their lies.

>>379654387
MN9 could've looked like Owlboy and still have been a shitty fucking game regardless.

Move on already.

>>379654387
Hand drawn or digital drawn 2d art will always ALWAYS look superior to a 3D image of the same thing. It sure as fuck didn't cost the artist that much to draw that. Far less than it would be for devs to implement it. Drawing art is a lot cheaper than recreating what you drew into a 3 dimensional form.

Sort of like how drawing a ferrari is easier than building one.

>>379654332
>and the game most people think of when they hear "Koji Igarashi."
*and the game casuals who don't actually play Iga games think of when they hear "Koji Igarashi."
FTFY

>>379654387
>mightyno9finalvsconcept.jpg
>This seems familiar.
We don't have a final for Bloodstained yet.
And we won't until sometime probably mid atleast next year.

>>379654451
What was your point? We all fucking know what it was originally from. That doesn't change the point of the post I made.

>says the business man who just makes deals to make shitty licensed garbage games and nothing else

Kamiya calling anyone "just a businessman" is incredibly hypocritical. He runs a 3rd party shovelware company, not fucking oldschool Maxis or something.

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how can defend this game in a world in which blasphemous exists?

>>379654602
>Hand drawn or digital drawn 2d art will always ALWAYS look superior to a 3D image of the same thing
Looking at almost any deviantart page would prove you wrong

>>379654158
No, are you?
The tweet needs to be updated to reference Kamiya, because Scalebound was a massive boondoggle.

Low-IQ shitposter.

>>379654616
Yeah, I'm a fan of Order of Ecclesia and Dawn of Sorrow too (those were my fave DS 'vanias), but Symphony of the Night is widely and fairly regarded as IGA's best work. It wasn't very difficult, but the sprites and music were amazing and still hold up today. Beelzebub was scary as fuck desu.

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>>379641818
It's pretty sad when you think about it.
some lightning and colors would make bottom image look 300% better without putting a lot of resources into it

>>379654858
>but Symphony of the Night is widely and fairly regarded as IGA's best work
By casuals who never bothered with any of his other games

>>379654873
>It's pretty sad that a piece of concept art looks better than a game that still has a year left of development to go.
You're on crack.

I love how Kickstarter has brought so many people who don't know how game development actually works out of the woodwork.
It's so easy to laugh at them.

>>379654789
Explain snow white and the seven dwarves game or the home alone PS2 game

>>379654745
It doesn't exist yet

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>>379642128
the only thing wrong with that video is that she needs a dash move.
Her actual attacks seem great, her back dodge is good, even her move speed is fine, but she needs some sort of dash.

as usual, /v/ is trying to make mountains out of molehills.

>>379654745
Stop shilling your shitty game

You mention it in every Bloodstained thread

Fuck off

>>379654745
Call me when an actually comes out or releases a demo faggot.

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>>379654719
>it's a "kamiya is behind every platinum game" episode

>>379654745
Blasphemous looks fuckin awesome and I backed it (physical artbook level), but I would honestly hold off on using it as an example of what Bloodstained could or should have been. The footage looks great but who knows if the game will get delayed to hell and back, if they'll have to cut features due to "tight budget," and what not. If it turns out to play as good as it looks then we can call it the Bloodstained killer.

>>379655036
This. I've seen people here who honest to God argue that a budget of 1-2 million is sufficient to make a game like Uncharted 4

>>379654745
>Bloodstained looks like shit
>HEY LOOK AT MY GAME WHERE ATTACKS HAVE NO WEIGHT TO THEM
Post the webm of the demon standing up with his janky as fuck, slideshow tier animation.

>>379655037
Wasn't the only thing that was 3D about the snow white game the box art though?

>>379655121
You are proving my point. He is the head of the company and just makes the deals. He isn't a game maker.

>>379655008
Ah, you're rusing me. Thanks for the laughs friendo.

>>379646493
Is this game worth buying now, like can i get 20 hours of enjoyment at least from the rouge like shit?

>>379654246
>Shame you've become such a jaded fuck and can't enjoy anything anymore.

I am?
>thought BotW was pretty awesome
>think the new Mummy game by Wayforward looks cool as hell, even though the movie looks like dogshit
>excited as hell to get Hollow Knight, just holding off for the Switch version
>about to grab the Crash Collection on the PS4, especially since I never played the 3rd game or all of the 2nd

Seems like I have no problem enjoying things anymore.

>>379655225
>He is the head of the company
Thats Kenichi Sato

>>379654745
Were you an animator for the first episode of RWBY?

>>379654451
No just faggots born in the late 90's. well actually yes they are idiots.

>>379655225
didn't he only just get that position

>>379652572
all 2.5 games are soulless.

>>379654745
>where blasphemous exists
>exists
but it doesnt though. look at Death's Gambit, 2 years and still not much. then theres Chasm thats been in the work for what, over 3 years now? Blasphemous wont concretely "exist" as a game until at least 2020.

>>379655283
I'm coming up on 40 hours now. Just moving around and fighting in Dead Cells feels great.

>>379644031
The main problem as MN9 is using U4 engenie instead of U3 a matured engine. The GG XRD is a good example using a "outdated" engine

>>379655242
Anyone who actually bothered to play all the IGA games would never call SOTN the best game

>>379655225
He just got promoted to vice president last week and has only worked on three platinum games so far, one of which was cancelled.
Are you stupid or something?

>>379644909
Although I think this game will still be alright, I do agree the Japanese have totally lost their ability to make charming soulful games like back in the 90's.

>>379642029

Concept art is objectively better than the final product. Why did they change it?

>>379655283
>rouge

>>379655315
I say we gas everyone under 18, this current generation is terrible.

How come the last e3 demo was praised
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zov9o9Ka3ts
(random video from youtube, don't watch it if you hate "HEY GUYS ITS XXX HERE")

while this one trailer is being shitposted to death?
I don't get it

>>379641818
I don't defend waifu mess. Attack it as viciously as you want.

>>379642518
>because it costs literally ten times as much.
[Citation needed]

There are plenty of great 2D artists out there that would work for the minimum and would make top pic look like fresh poop in comparison. Stop defending this bullshit.

>>379655676
*action*
Fuck off to whatever shitty forum you crawled out of

>>379655536
Games have never looked like their concept are.
Go look at any games published art book.

>>379655671
Because /v/ NEEDS a new tortanic

Don't you get it? /v/ needs their fix.

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>>379644909
>2.5d is SHIT
Some games do it right.

>>379655685
CV was always filled with waifus

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>>379655019
yeah just like mn9/torment/yooka/million other titles still had a year of development to go
Fucking gullible morons, sometimes I gotta wonder if you deserve this kind of shit, every couple months you're heartbroken after yet another utter failure because the game still has issues that plagued it during development, development that you defended so much and ignored any potential issue "because it's still in development".

>>379642128
Looks meh, but at least it's not as souless-looking as MN9.

>>379644969
No, classicvania are super stiff and ridged in the control department.

>>379642950
And the sweet irony is that it's made by a team made of guys who left Mercury Stream, the studio behind Castlevania Lords of Shadow.

>>379655671
>How come the last e3 demo was praised
Because it was last year and the game still had two years of development left, you fuck.
Having a demo that early was impressive.

>>379655775
Fuck off, shit bird. That's full 3D in a rama format.

>>379655536
When has a finished game ever looked like its concept art?

>>379655815
Classicvania has nothing to do with this

>>379642128
Actually looks really good
More concerned with the copy-pasted areas, that bell is literally in Aria

>>379655810
>(You)

>>379655825
>and the game still had two years of development left
At that time the game was slated to come out in 2017

>>379646356
Order of Ecclesia.

>>379655810
Even at this stage and looking like this it's not an "utter failure." It plays well enough to satisfy most people, unlike MN9 whose gameplay sucked. I agree the graphics for bloodstained are unsatisfactory, but the basic game seems to be better, especially since it doesnt seem to be as glitch-ridden as MN9.

>>379642289
Not everybody is fucking vanillaware

>>379655825
>Because it was last year and the game still had two years of development left, you fuck.
Bullshit, no one was praising it as a "work-in-progress" thing, /v/ never does that and you know it. Doesn't matter how many years it might be in development, /v/ will 100% always assume it's going to release as is.

Just like right now.

>>379655929
>slated to come out
I don't recall them saying anything about a release date. 2017 came from the kickstarter rewards pages before the project was even fully funded and the stretch goals considered.

>>379644761
2.5D is not bad. Bad developers are bad.
>Diablo 1 and 2 is 2.5D
>Bastion is 2.5D
>Fallout 1, 2 & tactics are 2.5D
>Baldur's Gate 1 & 2 are 2.5D
The list goes on.

>>379646356
Aria is better except for the RNG hell 1/128 drops in EVERY ENEMY

We've been shitting on it for what, nearly a year now? Ghost Song and Blasphemous are the only upcoming metroidvanias worth giving a fuck about.

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So is Touhouvania still the best of the post-konami castlevania clones?
https://youtu.be/IIJ9w2oDzV8

>>379656042
I hate that everyone always suck's Vanillaware's dick

Their games don't even animate well

>>379655095
>>379655078
>>379655112
>>379655147
>>379655313
bloodstained defence force in action

>>379656084
That was still at the time the intended release

>>379656057
>Bullshit, no one was praising it as a "work-in-progress" thing, /v/ never does that and you know it.
I was fucking here and they were.
Underneath the MN9 faggots who constantly shit post in Bloodstained threads.

>>379645080
No, classicvania is super stiff and ridged control wise.

>>379655824
Waaaait, really? No way, I thought the game they worked on previously was some indie story-based thing? These arent the same Spaniards as the Lords of Shadow guys, are they?

>>379656102
You don't know what 2.5D is

>>379641818
Am I the only one that feels there's too much empty space in 3D platformers?

Fill the screen with something. Zoom in closer to the character or put bigger HUD elements at the top. Or at the very least shrink the levels.

>>379656015
from the bloodstained demo I played for backing the game, the controls were really tight. I haven't felt such good controls since symphony of the night.

I love the floaty weightlessness feeling of this and Alucard, and they stop on a fucking dime, super accurate.

>>379656181
Can you not fucking read, cunt?

>>379656102
Pre-rendered graphics =/= 2.5D

>>379656271
don't say c*nt das a bad word :[

>>379656271
That doesn't change that it was the intended release window you cunt

>>379644909
>Fuck sake man
What do you have against sake?

>>379655137
>then we can call it the Bloodstained killer.

I'm actually thinking Hollow Knight might be the real contender. Bloodstanined not leaving up to it might hurt a lot.

It has set the bar really high for a game in the genre on the platform.

>>379656351
It was also intended to be one eleventh the fucking size, cunt

>>379656226
Why did you repost you stupid off-topic reply twice?

>>379656102
>"What is an isometric perspective"?

>>379656370
I don't know how they did it on a lower budget of fucking Australian dollars. That said, as I mentioned in a previous thread, you have to admit Bloodstained is going for a more gothic feel than Hollow Knight's more whimsical, high-fantasy atmosphere. So a direct comparison between them might not be entirely fair, even though I admit spritework like Blasphemous would have been a much better choice for a gothic game than Bloodstained's 2.5d.

>>379656498
Even after the kickstarted ended they kept saying they'd try to reach that release window.

>>379656102
Those aren't 2.5D, you shmuck.

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>>379656164
>Claims a game is shit based off of unfinished assets
>Claims another game is awesome based off of a few gifs of spritework.

>>379656164
I literally said Bloodstained looks like shit. The shit you posted isn't done either.

I just want IGA to make more games like this again. If this jumpstart his revival as game producer or dev, then I don't care.

>>379656164
Dude, don't play innocent.
https://boards.fireden.net/_/search/image/mRn_9XQe_62lOrvOB1dNRw/

>>379656584
>Even after the kickstarted ended they kept saying they'd try to reach that release window.
Show me quotes.

>>379656145
Point is they look great visually

>>379654745
>that enemy animation reset
>"D-Don't worry it looks better than Bloodstained"

>>379656808
They don't. They look ok as screenshots, but they look bad in motion.

>>379641818
I won't defend it, however I will say you are a dumb fuck if you didn't expect it

>>379646267
We live in the age of post YouTube "critics", where it's a competition to be the edgiest, and act like nothing is good anymore. Then when someone critiques a game from back in the day, it's "dis gaem is purfict, you naht allowed to point things wrong out". Like when Egofagtor accurately points out ocarina of time isn't that great, then everyone got sticks shoved up their asses about it. The Nintendo drones got butt blasted.

>>379644223
>Q1 2019
>2019
What the shit

>>379656827
You have to understand, the average nu-/v/irgin would probably play Sonic '06 if the game had better looking graphics.

>>379656232
>>379656308
>>379656535
>>379656638
>being this ignorant
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2.5D

>>379646267
What do you expect? Serious people who are not shitposting?

>>379656943
BUT IT'S BETTER THAN OTHER GAME THAT ISN'T OUT

>>379657031
In terms of current game vocab 2.5D means something completely different.

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>>379657076
That sounds familiar...

>>379656808
They look great in screenshots.

When playing them they look like ass

>>379656913
Ok, can you show me an example of a game that looks better as a screenshot and that has great animation, just honestly want to know your opinion

>>379657021
We're probably dealing with the same people that thought Crysis was the pinnacle of shooters.

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>>379644054
>never given money to kickstarter at all
Feels good man.

>>379656942
>Yet another Ego shill
Listen faggot, Arin's problems with the game boiled down to him being a shitty player and didn't even address any of the actual fucking flaws with the game. For fucks sake, he says one of the worst parts of OoT was "waiting" yet he never bothered to use any of his sub-weapons.

Compound that with his Game Grumps playthrough where he could barely beat WW without opening up a guide and it just makes him look like he has no fucking idea what he's talking about, which is a shame because his Megaman video was GOAT yet his Zelda review was the absolute worst episode in the series.

>>379644223
Is this supposed to animate like shit?

>>379642128
Seems a little slow pace but sotn was pretty slow as well
Other than that what's wrong with it?

Always amusing to see armchair developers come out of the woodwork in Kickstarter threads and talk about how a game like Far Cry or whatever couldn't POSSIBLY cost more than $500k to make and all actual reported costs are padded due to "lazy developers".

People think that because a million dollars is a lot of money for one person to have, it should be enough to make anything. Literally small child logic.

>>379657725
It doesn't look like an animu 2D screenshot like the concept art made it out to be, meaning that it's irredeemably shit and MN9 2.0 even though it a) isn't even out yet and b) looks relatively close to the games that inspired it, unlike MN9.

>>379657725
>Other than that what's wrong with it?
/v/ needs another tortanic is whats wrong with it

>>379657725
Whats wrong with it is that it isn't 2D. From day 1 we knew it was 2.5D and somehow people still can't get over that its not 2D.

>>379658124
Should have been 2D like Undertale, so it could sell 2.6M copies.

>>379641818
The art style doesn't lend itself well to full 3D. Its a shitty change, but I'll forgive it assuming it had to do with budget. It looks a little slow too, but fuck, I just want at least one of these spiritual revival kick starter meme games to be good.

>>379642128

i honestly liked the artstyle up until this video, its a mixed bag, some things looks decent others not so much

gameplay looks good tough, would definitively play

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>devs still aren't using xrd style 3D

>>379657962
Cringelord.

>>379658484
>Why can't game X look like game Y?
Because they're too different things