Are you ready for the true GOTY /v/?

>>379633691
>prequel shit
Bottom of the barrel garbage

>>379633691

I'm hoping it's good

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>>379633691
>Theed map
>Not Obi Wan as Republic hero

God damn it they could at least try

>>379634473
better than sequel shit

>>379634857
Nope, Sequels are Star Wars, Prequelshit is Lucas garbage

>>379634921
hahah lol nigga u crazy

>>379635024
t.prequelshitter

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>>379635051
t.no fun allowed my opinion is better face

*tips*

>>379634921
Seeing how TFA went and how TLJ will probably be, the sequel shit is going to be an overglorified parody of the originals
except, parodies are made with some fucking awareness.

>>379635442
Except they're not and they're the natural evolution of the series

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>>379634730
This to be honest

>>379634921
(you)

>>379635798
I see you're incapable of proving me wrong. Not surprising

>>379635667
>Except they're not
You are right. Parodies tend to be more endurable.

>>379633691
>having high expectations for something from DICE

Fuck this game. Battlefront 1 was and IS great. But no one pays it anymore, I can't find a single PC server that isn't walker assault. Then this have comes it and there won't be any servers up. I just spent $90 on BF1, why are these greedy fags trying to get more money out of us already

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>>379636162
Because gullible fucks like you exist

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>>379635908
Oh anon, but I already have.

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>>379636162
is that a serious question?

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>>379634921
>>379635051
>>379635667
>>379635908
>Implying

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUvkxjVuT9g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxMIECU0sK8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S2zsCaOOmE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJKtPJk3b2M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWSsjhHA0IM

>>379633691
Fuck off, D*sney intern. Your fanfiction is unwelcome here.

>>379637151
Hamill was just joking

>>379637151
Forgot this one pal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JfsysjFbD0

>>379636162
because they know you'll buy it anyway

if it was actually great people would still be playing it

>Battlefront 3 came out almost two years
I can't handle it.

>>379637263
>b-but hamill was j-just joking g-guys he totally wasn't h-hiding his t-rue feelings behind his humor

mickey, please.

>>379637593
Lets also take the fact that its an edited clip that takes it out of context

Lets be honest
Jedis are the most unique thing to come out of star wars

Hence the setting with a shitload of them is better than the setting with few of them

Prequel just has shit pacing, but the setting is more interesting

>>379637710
You don't understand Star Wars, kill yourself.

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>>379637710
It's "people" like you that were responsible for murdering Star Wars Galaxies, and pursuant to that the guy at Sony Online Entertainment who ended up killing himself because of SWG.

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>>379637573
>FR's Battlefront 3 would have come out about 9 years ago

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>battlefront 2
>when battlefront 2 already exists

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>>379638049

>>379637349
>that damage control at the end
lel

>>379637923
>and pursuant to that the guy at Sony Online Entertainment who ended up killing himself because of SWG.
Wait what?

>>379637151
How Hamill keep getting away with this shit? Every time he opens his mouth he just completely trashes the movie.

i really hope there's good stories. i'll buy it after i see the rian johnson best movie of the trilogy

>>379633691
What tactical advantage does that stance have?

>>379639159
he's Luke Skywalker, and the last one from the OT they can actually keep using at this point, they can't really touch him at this point

>>379639513
I hope it's Brick + Brothers Bloom in space with daisy ridley

>>379638924
It'd be a Kotaku link.

Back in like 08 the guy responsible for ruining Star Wars Galaxies with the infamous 2005 New Game Enhancement update ended up killing himself. He had received lots of fan hate for years.

>>379637151
>good but soulless movies and gradual franchise milking
>or horrifyingly inexcusably bad Lucas' abominations
Is there a franchise with worse fate than star wars?

>>379640641
>good
They are decent and that's being generous.

>>379637593
>>379637151
>Oblivion-loving, ubisoft-apologizing, contrarian for the pure fuck of it neo-/v/
disgusting

>>379640641
Nah, since Star Wars has never had a good film

>>379639159
Because he's the only surviving major character that isn't senile like Harrison. He can trash talk all he wants, since he knows he's all they got for the nostalgia bait.

Either they keep him going, or they kill him off and piss off fans. Either way, jew mouse gotta pucker up.

>>379640641
>good
Nah, sequels were, and always were trash. Prequels are infinitely superior because it was telling an original story and further expanded the universe instead of rehashing the same shit for nostalgia.

Fuck people who like nu wars better than the prequels, they are outright supporting corporate agenda trash.

>>379641735
>rehashing the same shit for nostalgia
P O T T E R Y

>>379633691
I think it might actual be descent. They tried to do the remake in the ol' little money grubby EA way, got a predictable smack down by fans, and are now backtracking by "re-implementing" stuff that was in the originals that they removed and get to act like they're really listening to the players.

Its the "New Coke vs Coke Classic" business move.

>>379642367
damn that's a dirty trick

>>379642367
>they're really listening to the players
No, the first game was so shitty and bare bones because they were playing it safe which is also why there was no prequel shit. They didn't get "smacked down by fans" either because retards ate it up and it sold a gorillion copies.

>>379642682
>They didn't get "smacked down by fans"

They did. Even normies turned on Battlefront "3" within two weeks.

>>379641058
This. You autistic screechers are a blight on humanity.

>>379643062
Normalfags didn't turn on it because they have low standards, they did stop playing it after a few months but it didn't matter because they already bought the game for full price plus the season pass.

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To be honest I just want to see HD renders of clone troopers

>>379635667
No, the EU was the natural evolution of the series.
Vector Prime >>>>>>>> Episode VII.

>>379643514

Knowing DICE it will just be Phase 1 armor

with no colors either or if they have colors but only 501st blue

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>>379643587
Good taste. People who dislike the NJO weren't about for the Saturday Morning Moff of the Week in the 1990s.

>>379643619
>Only Phase 1
>>379633691

>>379643619
of course there will be cosmetics, how else will they sell skinner boxes? other than the weapon/skill upgrades that are already confirmed to be in the game of course.

>>379643619
>Only 501st blue
And that's bad how?

>>379636693
Didnt Disney just come out and say the Royal Guard and AT-AT concept art that leaked in the past few days is fake? And they havent said a peep about those Anakin Is A Sloth Monster leaks from /tv/ a week ago... hmmmmmmmmmm.

>>379639672
doesnt matter when yoda has the highground

>>379636162
>90$ on BF1
>Its constantly sold for 20$ with all the DLC on origin

Yeah youre an idiot.

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>yfw they will never make another Jedi Knight game ever

>>379643996
>wanting any new star wars games in the ea/dice age
kyle is better off in the non-canon oblivion.

>>379633691
>new games named Battlefront 1 and 2
Fucking hell.

>>379634473
The game takes people, scenes and places from all 6 movies.
Also, not EVERYTHING in the prequels was worthless. Yoda fighting and Darth Maul were based.

>>379643710
just because the 90s were dogshit awful doesn't make the NJO good

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>>379643996
>no g_saberrealisticcombat_1

>>379643710
>You're saying... You're saying you're going to kill me.
>Oh, no, not at all. I'm saying you're already dead.
Fucking pottery right there.

>>379643823
501st a shit


212th RULES

>>379644203
A large percentage of the NJO was good.

Some of it was inconsistent and piss poor, but compared to anything non-Zahn or Stackpole before it, it was god tier.

>>379644192
>Yoda fighting and Darth Maul were based
if you were 6 years old

>>379644203
>implying The Truce at Bakura was dogshit awful

>>379644346

Literally no one cares about other Clone legions since 501st was the only important one brought up in lore

>>379644353
there were exactly two good NJO books and they were stealth X-wing books

>>379644395
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9MpsAftCDk

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Will ARCs be hero units in clone wars?

>>379644268

But 1 doesn't allow for dismemberment, it just increases the damage. 2 is the best imo since it only cuts when fatal, and not one the lightsaber is just barely touching somebody.

>>379644534
the prequel lightsaber fights were too choreographed and had no emotion in them, the yoda fight was also bad because he was supposed to be a spiritual mind over matter guru type.

>>379644534
>his backlog size increases
hitting a bit too close to home there, anon

>>379644476
I'll give you
>implying
motherfucker
>Jedi Academy trilogy
>Courtship of Princess Leia
>The Crystal Star (WARU)
>Darksaber
>Corellia trilogy
>Children of the Jedi
>Planet of Twilight
>MOTHER
>FUCKING
>WARU

>>379644850
I actually enjoyed The Crystal Star (vibrating molecules to make light? Kind of out there...) and at least the first Jedi Academy book, personally. I'll admit that I can't remember much about the other books, though.

>>379644784

>Entire form of lightsaber use based around being small and jumping alot

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>>379644346
You take that back, you yellow faggot

>>379645090
>small guy uses form based around being small, absurd
He is small. What was he supposed to do? Use a form made for normal sized people?

>>379645090
>has to use the force to compensate for his physical disadvantages
emps shouldn't have had a lightsaber either because he called it a jedi weapon and didn't use one in the ot.

>>379645235

I think Palpatine and others can use form 7 since its you just jump around alot too

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>>379644850
>shitting on Planet of Twilight

Now there's some serious edge.

Plus, most of the NJO was pretty good. It was just inconsistent. The Star Wars franchise should have ended with the release of the Unifying Force in 2003. It is the most fitting ending there has ever been,

>>379645090
>>379645235
>>379645317
>pretending there were actually differences in dueling form in the movies

>>379633691
I wouldn't touch that filth with your dick.

>>379645410
>defending Hutt Jedi

>>379645421
Yoda, Dooku and Sidious all had unique and different fighting forms in the movie. Did you even fucking watch them kid?

>>379646024
>being autistic about a smug, waste of space "Jedi" that just happens to be a Hutt

>>379646056
I didn't know "like everyone else but slightly less mobile because you're 80 years old" and "doing a drill move then stumbling around like an old man and making silly faces for the rest of the fight" were "unique and different"

>>379646056
Yeah, if you watch the meganerds that dissect those movies they actually show the differences.
just look up any youtube video on the subject.

>>379634473
still better than disney

>>379646465
IT'S NOT A ZERO SUM GAME
THEY CAN BOTH BE AWFUL

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>Star Wars post 2012

>>379646418
Well, Yoda and Sidious have this jumpy-like fighting style while Dooku always looks more like he is fencing. And that's not even dissecting the fucking thing.

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>>379646831
>Star Wars post-1983

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Never forget what could of been
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WeX41WfOsY&t

>>379634786
You mean Qui Gon. He hasnt been a hero yet

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>>379647028
>Star Wars post-1977

>>379643619
Look in the back. They are phase 2.

>>379645421

There was Anakin had a more aggressive style while obi wand was big on defense

>>379647196
Old Battlefront had Obi Wan as hero in Tatooine and Naboo against Maul.

>>379647212
no we can include Empire and like half of Jedi

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>>379645421
>Sheev totes fights like everybody else guise

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>>379647212
>The Journal of the Whills post-1973

>>379647597

Sheev knows every single light saber form whenever he fights with it its just for fun

>>379647597
I guess flailing around and making funny faces could be considered its own form

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>>379633691
>mfw Star Wars The Clone Wars redeemed the prequel trilogy but nobody will ever know or acknowledge it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6WwRiKn2NI

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>>379647857
Whatchu gonna do about it fucboi?

>>379647873

It started off really bad with good episodes but then later one it got better

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>>379647873
>Clone Vietnam episodes
Later series were fantastic, shame about the prequels though.

>>379647873
Except it didnt. The prequel trilogy is still terrible, the show just took concepts that came from the trilogy and did some good stories with those ideas. That doesnt retroactively make a terrible trilogy good.

>>379648180
never watch the prequels again and rightfully call them shit at every opportunity :^)

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>>379647873
>redeemed the prequel trilogy
The prequels are still bad movies, TCW just used the stuff it established well like some of the prequel based games did.

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>>379647873
>Clone Wars
>Good

>>379648302
in that sense i agree with you, but what SWTCW managed to do with the prequel material shows us what could have been

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>>379648341
Good, have fun with the two minutes of fame of Sheev in the OT and a discount version of him in fucking gold pajamas next trilogy.

>>379648456
at least half of it is decent

>>379648619
Nah is not

>>379648608
Sheev in ROTJ is better than his entire screentime in the prequels

and I'm not planning on watching anymore Disney Wars after the absolute trainwreck of Rogue One
>inb4 you get mad about me not sucking the cock of RO

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>>379633691
What makes you think Battlefront 2 will be good when 1 sucked so fucking bad?

>>379648778
you are of course welcome to your opinion but I hope you revisit the series someday and re-evaluate it.

>>379648779
I disagree, he nails the manipulative twofaced bastard character.
On another issue, I promise to not get mad with you if you promise me to not suck TFA's cock

>>379648779

How was rogue one worse than TFA? I really liked rogue one but I will accept if you did not if you don't try and argue TFA was better.

>>379649170
>>379649646
TFA is better but still bad

>>379649646
TFA was tonally inconsistent because it went between several directors who all had different ideas for it. Half of it was shot as a gritty war movie where all the characters are broody dicks but after he got fired they didn't want to waste all the footage and they kept it in while turning the ass end of the movie into a generic Star Wars movie except everyone dies.

Fuck off

I'm ready to wait for another 2 years for the sale to drop down on it.

Fucking overpriced bullshit.

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>>379634921
>when you steal all of lucas's style but the only thing you have going for you is the signature mark of jewish corruption

>>379643852
they've been confirmed for like a year now retard. they even leaked the new stormtrooper and its literally just a stormtrooper redesign with a red pauldron so stop defending this lifeless kike shit

>>379644654
nope non canon except the 3 of them that dave filoni self inserted and survived the clone wars

>>379647106
never ever

>>379648619
maybe the two clone arcs, but the rest of it is on par with anime weebshit

>>379634473
prequel shit is objectively more fun to play than OT shit.

>>379651004
fucking hilarious that those two are gay for eachother

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>>379651004
I love how they try to avoid white males so much that it literally hurts the world and design of the movies.

Stop ruining things for literally no reason.

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Disney's sequelshit is so devoid of creativity leaving them as empty husks. Rogue one was actually good because it used the fuck out of the property rather than just ripping the old movies and giving those a new paint job. The prequels while being shitty movies, had a shit ton of creativity and interesting concepts that were never done justice. Made for damn good star wars games too like the original battlefronts

QUICK
Post a planet you'd like to see a map of

>>379652093
Rogue One was a terrible movie, you just fell for the blatant and rampant nostalgia pandering this time.

>>379649989
you meant rogue one, right?

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>>379652093
>Rogue one was actually good

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>>379652275
Sernpidal
>Captcha: awsand GROSSETO

>>379652275
Rhen Var

>>379652093
Literally everything is right about this.
However I really loved ALL star wars movies, except for 7, which I only 'liked'.

But damn I can't hate the prequels.

>>379640641
TFA is the worst SW movie.

It betrays everything the originals stand for.
Is badly written and can't even stand on its own feet.
And is also apeing the original movie far too hard.

It's literally worthless.
>but the prequels betray the OT!
The prequels if anything make the OT look better.
TFA meanwhile shits on the legacy of the OT

Obiwan and Anakin had a past? Doesn't downvalue the OT.
Everything Luke and Leia and Han worked for gets destroyed shortly after their big victory? Oh yeah. That's big bad.

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>>379633691
>Yoda is in game CGI instead of a puppet I get to wave around in font of the screen

Why the fuck don't video games use practical effects anymore?

>>379652812
I don't hate the prequels but they're badly made and I don't like them. The only good part was the setting and some of the ideas which were put to much better use in both Clone Wars cartoons.

Shit on the prequels all you want.
Even if they technically aren't good movies. They definitely are Star Wars movies.

There is nothing Star Wars inside the sequel garbage made by Disney. It's as generic as Marvel capeshit.

>>379644850
>Courtship of Princess Leia
Thats a good book, faggot.

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What's a good comfy game to play with my morning coffee?

For awhile I've been playing Banished while I drink my morning joe, but it's losing it's momentum.

>>379653704
Sunless Sea

>>379643587
Oh yeah how could we forget the literary gold of the Yuuzan Vong and Luuuke?

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>>379653704
aw fuck

>>379653826
They were basically the Tyranids, right?

>>379653964
no, they weren't mindless and concerned with more than eating everyone

more like radical Muslims with the firepower and skill to actually take over everything

>>379653964
Not that anon.At least the Tyranids use the "main gimmick" of their universe (see, Shadow in the warp).
Iirc, the Vongs were just like "nope, Force doesn't affect us"

>>379653810

The game is only really comfy once you've figured out how to cheese it, though. The first few runs you'll be constantly wondering if you have enough fuel or supplies to make it across the map on some ridiculous errand for the Blind Bruiser or Admiralty.

>>379653826
I consider it indisputable that the Yuuzhan Vong were pretty damn cool. Luuke was fine, too.

(Luuuke was an April Fool's joke. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Luuuke)

>>379654394
also true

or you can just cheat in a bunch of Echo

>tfw gameplay tomorrow
hopefully its good this time around

>>379654435
They're some of the edgiest edgelords to ever edge. You'd have to be an actual 12-year-old dressed exclusively in Hot Topic with an Invader Zim chain wallet to find them even remotely cool.

I say this because I was that 12 year old

>>379654487
Good is hoping too much. If it's decent enough to grab after some serious discount I'm settled.

>>379654629
>They're some of the edgiest edgelords to ever edge.
The Shapers and Shamed Ones aren't overly edgy.

>>379654739
oh wow, a tiny fraction of their society is mildly less edgy, such a compelling argument that the species as a whole, whose very religion is based around self-mutilation, isn't edgy as fuck.

>>379652093
Yeah, Rogue One was so cool those guys in the movie whose names I can't remember were so compelling. At least TFA had characters with actual character traits, clear motivations, and solid development (except Rey).

Good, likeable characters can hold up a mediocre plot, but the reverse never ever works

>>379643514
Do plain white clone troopers belong to any legion?

>>379654956
RO's plot wasn't even that good

>>379643996
Dark forces and the first jedi knight are shit

>>379643619
honestly phase 1 looks alot more distinct than phase 2

>>379643587

Lol what? Episode 7 was trash but the Vong War killed the fucking EU

>>379654861
Let's look at the castes, one by one.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Yuuzhan_Vong#Society_description

Shapers: Somewhat edgy
Priests: Edgy
Warriors: Edgy
Intendants: Not edgy
Workers/Shamed: Not edgy

So it's half and half.

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fuck you phase1fags. Phase 2 is where its at

>>379654484

That too, but the best stories come from when you know dick all about the game. I'd recommend doing a few plays, then using the wiki and being able to put in small sessions whenever.

Here's hoping Sunless Skies turns out at least half as well as Sea did.

>>379655106
Its plot was inane, the characters were beyond forgettable, what did that movie even have beyond casting the Hot Toys figure of Tarkin and making people realize that James Earl Jones can't do the voice anymore.

>>379633691
This would be great if they actually found a way to make 1v1 melee fun instead of just having two guys spazz out at each other with lightsabers. If they're revamping the vehicles system, they should also revamp the melee system.

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>>379655427
Phase 1 is AESTHETIC

>>379654956
>At least TFA had characters with actual character traits, clear motivations, and solid development
Your funny, I like you.

>>379634473
I-III are better than VII at least. I didn't even like I-III that much, but Rey is just such a horrible Mary Sue.

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fuck the Republic and fuck clone people

>buying dice games post bf3
cancer

>>379655908
This is how it goes

>IV-VI
reminiscent of old space serials with simple plot and motivations

>I-III
A full blown space opera, complete with tragic hero and cheesy romances

>VII
Nostalgia bait and ways to sell toys

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>>379656223
fucking clanker faggot fuck you no balls separatist cunts

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>>379641735
>C3PO shoved in for no reason
>R2D2 back for no reason
>dude Jango Fett is also a bounty hunter lmao
>Clones are a ripoff of storm troopers
>dude Baby Boba Fett lmao
>Republic ships are a ripoff of Imperial Star destroyers
>Naboo is earth
>Death Star plans in Attack of the Clones
>All Jedi wear Tatooine farmer robes
>Coruscant is a ripoff of the city from Blade Runner
>dude Genonisis is Tatooine with rocks lmao
>dude Kamino is just Cloud City with water instead of clouds lmao
>original

anyone who honestly believes the prequels were """"original"""""" and not focus tested, safe garbage is fucking delusional. You think retroactively making the entire franchise about Darth Vader to the extent he's the literal center of the universe and Space Jesus was an actual creative decision and not based in marketing? Fuck off

making Kylo Ren a whiny faggot villain who was almost a parody of Star Wars fanboys was a lot more interesting and daring than anything in a star wars movie since Empire.

>>379656357
>IV-VI
Good
>I-III
Bad
>VII
Nostalgia bait

>>379656357
I wouldn't even mind it being nostalgia bait if the main character wasn't just so perfect in every way. I could at least look forward to a sequel with something new then. As is, she has basically no character build up for anything she does. All I have to look forward to in any sequels is Rey somehow being made even more perfect. Whoop-dee-doo.

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V>IV>VI>III>RO>VII>I>II

>>379656413
>>Coruscant is a ripoff of the city from Blade Runner
No, it's a ripoff of the city from Foundation, you Philistine.

>>379634786
nu-battlefront lets you pick any hero on any map. It's actually one of the better decisions they made, it adds a lot of variety.

I really hope they don't do cross-era heroes like it's rumored, though. I can buy Boba Fett on Hoth or Darth Maul on Geonosis even if they weren't canonically there, but seeing Rey fighting in the Clone Wars or Yoda fighting the First Order would be immersion breaking.

>>379656832
true and honest except RO should be at the bottom

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>>379656413

>>379656729
I actually thought the fake script was way better than anything we got. Such a shame that fans can often do a better job than the pros.

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>>379656413
>Defending Crylo Ren and HEY LOOK MEMBER XWINGS?
>While bashing Vader fucking everything up because of his bratty arrogance and Beta Version of Star Destroyer

There is NOTHING daring about the fucking sequels, don't even pretend that despite your nitpicky list of nitpicks that fact is going to change.
On the regard of Jedi robes....

>>379656961
Why is it okay for there to be a "prototype star destroyer" in the prequels, but there can't be a new x-wing in the sequels?

Do you really think the Republic just threw away all the X-wings when the war was over and started from scratch?

>>379656961
anon you know you would've bitched regardless of whether there were X-wings or not

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>>379656961
>Crylo Ren

"reeee he sucks because he's emo!" isn't a fucking argument

I'm convinced people who don't like Kylo hate him because he reminds them of themselves

>>379657097
>Why is it okay for there to be a "prototype star destroyer" in the prequels, but there can't be a new x-wing in the sequels?
Because "prototype Star Destroyer" is identifiable as both it's own thing and as a step forward of what we know.The X-wing is barely a touched up concept of Mcquarrie.And even if it isn't the first time people borrow for him in other SW media don't treat it like your fucking OC donut steel.

>>379657389
I hate him because Jacen was ten times better. He got over his crybaby phase in the Embrace of Pain.

>>379657389
I don't like him because he's not a very threatening antagonist, even if that's the point.

>>379657389
He is "daring"/original/good villain because he is an emo isn't an argument either.

>>379657527
This. If they were going to go with "son of Han and Leia," why not just adapt the EU story and cut out the bad parts. With Jaina, there's an organic reason for the republic and the remnants of the Empire to come to peaceful terms. Plus, naming him Ben is absolutely stupid. And the worst part is, it makes the empire Rebel leadership seem like incompetent morons.

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>>379657527
>eufags

pic related

>>379657553
He's not someone you're supposed to admire or want to emulate, but he's still dangerous. Just because he lost once to Rey when he was heavily wounded and emotionally unstable (think like how Vader lost to Luke at the end of RotJ; doubt makes you weak in Star Wars) doesn't mean he's forever outclassed and can never be a threat. The force isn't DBZ power levels.

Kylo is an antagonist still early in his journey rather than at the end of it like Vader. He's meant to grow and develop alongside Rey.

>>379656832
I don't see how you can say Force Awakens is better than anything.

>>379644192

>Darth Maul
>based

The entire fight at the end was fucking retarded.

>who is this guy?
>why are they fighting?
>what are their goals?

It seriously boiled down to "He's bad and they're good so they have to fight." At least the Obi-Wan and Anakin fight at the end of RotS was entertaining because they're had a history and were pissed at each other.

The Darth Maul fight was LITERALLY
>*blocks ur path*

>>379657826
I understood the character. But saying "that's the point" doesn't make him a better antagonist.

>>379657826
>The force isn't DBZ power levels.
Oh, this explains everything you are the same faggot that defends this over and over again
The so canonically called Jedi Killer lost to a fucking newbie that just grabbed a lightsaber for the second time on her entire life. And being able to fight isn't an excuse if she is used to do so with longer weapons such as her stick.

>>379657864
because it's a competent, well made movie with interesting characters and solid performances and the absolute worst you can say about it is that it borrows heavily from the original trilogy? And no, "reeee Kylo lost to Rey and that triggers me" or "Finn is a nigger!" aren't valid criticisms of the characters.

compare to the prequels, which are broken on the most basic and fundamental levels of filmmaking.

>>379657675
Why do people keep mentioning "daring?"

TFA was never even suppose to be daring. If you didnt like him that is fine but understand at least that no one that does like him thinks he is daring.

I liked him as a villain more then all of the prequel villains combined (not counting Sheev of course) but I would never claim he was daring. I wouldnt even claim he is original but that doesnt mean he is a bad villain. He is unique in the Star Wars setting as a villain but thats it

>>379657389
I hate Kylo Ren because of his hair. Before the helmet was taken off he seemed menacing, stern, and ready to show his authority. After the flamboyant L'oreal hair style was swished out of his helmet he just came across as a giant faggot. Which then lead to all of the rest of his actions seeming to be angst ridden.

>>379634730
Same.

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>>379658171
this is L I T E R A L L Y the point the film was going for, dude. That the masked guy who you think was this total badass was actually a limpdicked weak willed faggot.

Adam Driver was cast for a specific reason.

>>379658148
Because of this >>379656413
Also is not like the rest of prequel villains had too much time to get "loved", so it's an effortless merit.

>>379658126
>aren't valid criticisms of the characters.
Rey isn't even a character, she's a living, breathing McGuffin. Everything that needs to be done she does perfectly with next to no explanation, if any is given at all. Considering she's the main character of the movie, this is a fairly major detractor that she basically doesn't count as one at all.

>>379634921
This guy right here.

Everyone replied to him bashing him is literary underage and hipster.

>>379657993
I think this is where we need to draw a line between objective merits and flaws of a character and your own personal preference.

You might have preferred another unironic generic Sith Lord played straight as a villain, but that doesn't mean Kylo is flawed as an antagonist.

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>>379658296

>>379658782
>The force awakes is unoriginal!
>reeeee why isn't the villain another generic sith lord!

Classes are trash.

>>379658113
Yeah they should have measured Rey's midichlorian count beforehand just to make sure that it's fair that she could beat Kylo. Plus they should have thrown in some awesome memorable characters like Count Dracula and Dexter Jettster to talk on a couch and deliver plot details.

>>379658474
All of /v/ grew up with Phantom Menace and dreamed about podracing.

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>>379634921
>Sequels are Star Wars
Then Star Wars is truly dead.

>>379659074
when half of Kylo's character is wishing he could be more like grandpa, he's saying what the audience is thinking

>>379659089
>the prequels are bad
>that means TFA is good
see >>379646620

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>>379659074
No dude we should have gotten an epic looking villain like this named Baron Villain

>>379658126
>marvel tier "humour"
>Rey is an all perfect individual
>Phasma's role in the movie is so minimal that you could replace her with a bunch of commander goons and nobody outside the merchandising department would notice
>You can see both atrocious practical effects and atrocious CGI, and JJ lied about "reducing" CGI as part of their ad campaign
>Best thing about the movie (Finn and Poe broship) gets reduced to a 2 minute scene and a brief "hey we both are alive,kthxbye"

To list a few flaws of your "well made" movie.

>>379659339

Are those jets or lightsabers?

Also why does he have two of them on his knees?

>>379658296
>THE VILLAINS SUPPOSED TO BE A LITTLE BITCH
so why should we feel anything for him? if the villain sucks the fuck is the point?

>>379659089
>I'll try to wrestle this dude that is on the top 10 on his category after years and years of training.
>Yup, I'm sure I'll end up moping the floor with his ass despite not even know how this works.

>>379659464
>poe and finn broship
>good
pick one and only one

>HEY BRO IM A STORMTROOPER BUT IM GONNA SAVE YOU NOW BRO I KNOW WE JUST FUCKED YOUR MISSION BRO BUT TOTALLY TRUST ME BRO LETS GUN DOWN TIE FIGHTERS BRO EVEN THOUGH I WAS AGAINST SHOOTING JUST A SECOND AGO BRO
>OH FUCK YEA BRO YOURE MY BEST FRIEND NOW BRO

>>379633691
>There are people on /v/ right now that have pre ordered this
Every time you faggots never learn do you. Well at least the tears on release day are always good

>>379659551
Lightsabers

the EU was an interesting place

>>379659672
let me shoot him with a shotgun first and then be assisted by a magic space energy that's literally powered by how much you believe in it, I'm sure I have a chance

>>379659729
are people really this fucking obtuse? He was against the mass murder of innocent people in summary executions, he wasn't some pacifist.

What was he supposed to do to the stormtroopers trying to kill him? Try to reason with them?

>>379659729
>BRO LETS GUN DOWN TIE FIGHTERS BRO EVEN THOUGH I WAS AGAINST SHOOTING JUST A SECOND AGO BRO
I didn't even think about this. He literally rebelled because he didn't want to shoot civilians, but then he has utterly problem immediately turning around and shooting people he was working with. I didn't really think much of Finn in general, but that realization paints him in a much worse light now.

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>>379659729
The chemistry between these two is what Obi-wan and Anakin's relationship should have been like before he turned evil.
But it's ok, if you don't consider it good then it makes the whole movie shit.

>>379659815
>a magic space energy that's literally powered by how much you believe in it,
That's fairy dust you dunce, not the fucking Force.

>>379659897
>are people really this fucking obtuse? He was against the mass murder of innocent people in summary executions
But why though? They literally mention in the movie that they take children and brainwash them into being Stormtroopers.

>>379659578

>I can only feel anything when the villain is a clear cut bad guy who expresses how evil he is with a deep voice, shaven head, and totally bad ass intimidating demeanor

You sound like a teenager

>>379660492
where is anyone saying they wanted a Darth Maul clone? They just think Kylo Ren is bad.

>>379659464
Poe and Finn are going to be fags in the next movie. Progressive Disney is forcing dumb shit through peoples throats now.
Bet me that I'm wrong. I fucking hope I am.

>>379660593

They dislike Kylo because he isn't the usual Star Wars bad guy. He clearly struggles with the dark side and is the only person in the entire canon to say "I won't be seduced by the light side." He's a great villain, just very different from anything before.

>>379660731
>Poe and Finn are going to be fags in the next movie.
I have seen the news, I just hope they are just JJ trying to gain some pandering and that the next directors/writers don't take that seriously
Then again, A FUCKING TREE

>>379659937
>That's fairy dust you dunce, not the fucking Force.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YkbgvRMpW0

>>379660035
and it's mentioned that occasionally it fails and they have to be sent to "reconditioning", Finn just got the hell out of dodge before he was reconditioned

in the millions upon millions of stormtroopers, is it really that outlandish that one slipped through the cracks?

>>379660731
You are wrong at least in part. I foresee a one-sided romance, and I'm guessing it'll be Poe being the one initiating. Finn will gently let him down, and they'll still stay "best buds". Progressive on multiple counts that way - shows that characters can be gay, they can be accepted, and even though they're rejected they can still get along with those around them.

It's going to be fucking terrible.

>>379660950

As long as it's well written I don't see why it should be terrible. Unless you're just upset by the possibility alone that they could do that, in which case you are a fag.

>>379649989
>TFA
>Literally describes Rogue One

>>379661080
That's entirely my problem with it though. The fact it's going to be hamfisted, and not fit in at all with the flow of the movie.

>>379660889
JJ isnt directly involved in the next film anyways

>>379661214

How are you coming to these conclusions? You're making wild assumptions and justifying them with more wild assumptions. You are the definition of a /pol/-fag.

>>379637169
So you prefer luuke Skywalker, star crusher and gay mandalorians

>>379660928
>in the millions upon millions of stormtroopers, is it really that outlandish that one slipped through the cracks?
Yes because you don't send the Janitor who apparently has 0 experience on an important mission.

>>379661214
Finn is pretty much confirmed to have a relationship with the frumpy azn girl, whether that's better or worse than homolust with Poe is up to you

>>379661357
>VII was hamfisted garbage
>Predict VIII will be as well
>Get called a /pol/-fag
You're really reaching here.

>>379660774
We dislike Kylo because he isn't compelling, threatening, or particularly interesting as an antagonist at all, and then he gets beaten by a little girl, both at the Force and in direct combat.
>muh space magic and bowcaster bolt
shut the fuck up

AND YES, WE FUCKING UNDERSTAND THAT'S THE POINT. But if the villain isn't threatening to the protagonist in any appreciable way, then he's not a good antagonist because the audience doesn't see him as a threat either. Like compare him to Vader. Vader establishes himself as a threat. He defeats the main character's mentor, then kicks the shit out of the main character. He's a fucking threat, such that when Luke goes to face him at the end of ROTJ, it's a big fucking deal and the audience is actually worried how it'll go down. Kylo has already lost whatever sort of threat he has by losing to Rey in the first movie, since she's only going to get stronger and better trained, so the next time they face each other, EVEN IF KYLO WINS, no one's going to give a fuck, they'll just bitch and say "Rey should've won that." He lost all credibility as a villain and antagonist before the first movie was even over.

>>379660928
You seem to forget that Yoda and Ben previously were also teaching him to focus, in the first case so he could lift a couple of rocks.

Meanwhile Kylo is able to use the Gmod physgun and *freeze your path* and Rey is able to have a livid moment after which she even fights like she was getting turned by the dark side.
But yes, the prequels ruined the Force with the midichlorians and "DBZ powerlevels".

>>379661434
you know soldiers in training do custodial work and other menial tasks to build discipline, right? You aren't just handed a gun and told to shoot people the second you sign up (or in this case, are forced into servitude)

but if we're really going to nitpick on such minor shit you really should have much bigger problems with this franchise, even the original trilogy is filled with fucking absurd contrivances and conveniences but people who aren't autistic don't care because it's a fucking movie

>>379661331
I know, that's why I said next directors.

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>>379660774
>Great villain
>Emo Ren

>>379661450

So are you. You are getting upset about something that may or may not happen, and are saying it's factual that it will be hamfisted. Wait until we got some more information before making stupid assumptions like a retard.

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>>379633691
>EA
>GOTY ever

>>379661609
the 'next directors' are the ones shoehorning in gay romance, not JJ

>>379661475
Kylo wrecks shit in every scene he's in, he only loses to Rey because he's heavily wounded and trying not to kill her, rey only gets the advantage when she lets go and lets the Force drive

You just seem to think that because he's emotionally vulnerable and lost once that means he can never ever be threatening ever again

>>379661475

That's the point though. He's not a villain in the traditional sense and that was made very clear in the way he acts and interacts with those around him. He's trying so hard to be intimidating but as soon as anyone pushes back even a little it all falls apart. You may not like it, but they established him exactly how they wanted to.

>>379661782
was he heavily wounded when Rey beat him at his own mind-reading game while strapped to a chair?

>>379661673
>You are getting upset
Reaching again here buddy. If anything I'm amused by how awful this shit is. Go back to wherever you came from. Seems like it must be pretty shit if you automatically think everyone with a negative opinion of something is 'upset' and 'a /pol/-tard'.

>>379661586
So we are also going to just forget the second Finn gets off the Star Destroyer he just acts like any random dude acting wacky with the robot and being "unwieldy" in everything he does? Being raised as a soldier sure means fucking nothing to his character it seems.

>>379661771
JJ said something along the lines of "Yes they gay" after seeing the amount of fujoshits shipping both characters shortly after the release.
But thanks for increasing my worries for the next episode.

>>379633691
>female clonetroopers

>>379661845
No, but he was emotionally vulnerable due to opening himself up to Rey and that he's been questioning his entire belief system for the whole movie

protip: taking the mask off wasn't just to show you adam driver's face, it had a deeper meaning

>>379661782
>wrecks shit in every scene he's in
He kills an old, unarmed prisoner.

Then he uses the force to torture a bound prisoner.

Then he abandons the actual objective of finding the droid to kidnap a girl who with no training proves to better at using the Force than he is.

He may have been injured or whatever, but aside from freezing the Blaster bolt in mid air, he does nothing remotely badass. His most memorably scenes are literally the ones where he REEEEEEEEEES out with a lightsaber.

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Kyle Mothefucking Katarn > Crylo Ren

>>379661869

I just hate seeing someone make an assumption and declare it fact with nothing to back it up. The only reason anyone is thinking about the possibility of Poe and Finn being gay is because of some sjw fags shipping them, and now you're taking that as a reason to think whatever will happen will be hamfisted just because.

>>379661782
>>379661820
if the point is that he's meant to be unthreatening, then he's not a good antagonist, because ANTAGONISTS ARE MEANT TO BE THREATENING TO THE PROTAGONIST

>>379661845
Kylo is always heavily wounded when it comes to anything related to the mind.

>>379661910
that's an entirely separate argument and not one I necessarily disagree with, but complaining "hurr durr why was finn on the mission if he was a janitor in training xD" isn't a fucking complaint, it's an autistic nitpick and you know it

>>379633691
I hope it's going to be good.

>>379661973
Yes, it meant that we didn't care who he really was after he put off the mask.

>>379660774

>Kylo Ren wants to be hardcore but his feelings won't let him

Literally a deviantart tier character. Characters that struggle with the idea of being 'seduced' by evil for various reasons (such as if it is more expedient or to simply increase their own level of power) are interesting because those are questions people struggle with every day. Why shouldn't I cheat that man? Why shouldn't I rob this guy? Why shouldn't I treat that dude like complete shit for my own personal amusement? There are various answers to this, but a lot of them boil down to "Because it is wrong." Seeing this struggle contextualized in a fictional scenario involving the outcome of star empires and planetary civilizations is entertaining to some.

In contrast, a villain who struggles to stay evil, when he secretly yearns to be good, is retarded when the writers don't show that characters intentions and motivations. Is he secretly trying to infiltrate the true bad guys inner circle to influence his actions, or perhaps get close enough to destroy him? Does he simply believe being 'evil' is the best way to ensure peace? We don't know because they haven't shown anything, so it's reasonable that people call him a shitty villain at this point.

When you say Kylo Ren struggles with being staying evil, I'm telling you that the struggle isn't compelling or interesting because we don't know what it will cost him to be "good".

>>379661996
>the actual OG mary sue of star wars
>better than anybody

kek

>>379662064

It's not.

>>379661996
>Crylo

You realize that was the point right, the character was whiny enough that even people like you would clue in.

>>379633691
I could not care less about BEAttlefront.

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>>379662174
I can still hope

>>379662097
>We don't know because they haven't shown anything, so it's reasonable that people call him a shitty villain at this point.

He's a self-loathing autist who felt abandoned by his parents yet chafed in having to live up to their legacy, so he adapted the persona of Darth Vader in order to make himself feel more intimidating and powerful. Underneath the mask though, he realizes he's a fucking pathetic loser who's just pretending to be bigger than he actually is, but as he's already done some really heinous shit he has to keep going with the charade because he believes he's beyond redemption

just because this wasn't explained to you in a long prequel-tier exposition monologue doesn't mean the characterization doesn't exist

>>379662097

It's not about what it will cost to become good, instead it's about what the cost of him forcing himself to become evil. He tortures and kills his own father in an effort to maintain his facade.

But if you're going to mention being seduced by evil, then Vader isn't a very compelling villain either. He shows up, smashes some dudes and generally acts like a super evil guy just because. We have no reason to think he isn't anything other than a thug other then Obi Wan casually mentioning him being seduced by the dark side. Vader only sticks out in our memories because a 40 year long nerdgasm about his force powers and red lightsaber.

>>379661996
Bigger Mary Stu than Rey

>>379662418

>He tortures people, and kills his own father

dammit

>>379662024

Not all antagonists in stories are a direct threat, or even very intimidating.

>>379662024
Kylo is a powerful force user and just because he's emotionally unstable and lost one time doesn't mean he's forever nonthreatening, that's your own ignorant preconceived notions of what a star wars villain should be, which never really evolved beyond "generic evil overlord"

>>379662418
also because of the two follow-up movies turning him into a deeper and more interesting character

and also because he didn't job to a girl half his size in his first fucking appearance. At least with Vader, he's had an actual reason for Luke to not only hate him, but fear him, and provide a constant challenge for him to overcome. With Kylo, it's like what the fuck is there for Rey to overcome now? She already beat the bad guy! Where the fuck doe she go from here? Beat Kylo AGAIN? Oh yeah, real compelling character dynamics there, guys.

>>379657389
why does this look so JUST?

Please tell me no one is actually excited for this. Why do you fuckers CONSTANTLY let EA ravage your asshole.

>>379662772
because the First Order is a bunch of manchildren pretending to be the Empire in order to make up for their own insecurities, and they threw all their eggs in the Starkiller Base basket and got their shit fucked up.

So yeah, everyone's pretty JUST by the time episode 8 starts.

>>379662381

And without the backstory (that I'm sure will be explained in the next movie) this means he makes even less sense. He rejects the life that others expected him to lead, so that means he ends up the right hand man to the next Emperor and helps him blow up planets? Why? Because that's evil and evil is done for its own sake? That's a shitty Kefka tier villain.

Without proper human motivation, a character is not interesting in the slightest. He's just a mustache twirler.

>>379657389
This looks like Harry Potter with a Star Wars skin on top.

>>379662729

>Kylo Ren is the only person in the Nu-Empire

There's also that weird monster we saw in a cave. It's clear that he's the one pulling the strings. Also, you're being incredibly unfair, as Kylo still has at least one more movie to get some development, and you writing him off without even giving that chance means you are a huge faggot. I don't think it's been said enough that Kylo was clearly not trying to kill Rey and he was injured as well. Rey got lucky in that fight and there's no guarantee she could have won had Poe not shown up and nearly gotten killed, and set off her anger.

>>379662959
>without proper human motivation

A kid turning into a mass murderer because of his own internalized self-loathing and glorification of an idealized past is a lot more human (and real) than "I won't let you die in childbirth"

we see this shit every fucking day

>>379662137
He is better chacter than Emo Ren and he is not OP like Luke Skywalker or Starkiller

>>379662772
>>379662903

Are you fucking niggers? What are you even trying to say with "JUST"?

>>379655908
>>379651681
>>379646465
>>379644192
>>379634857
Prequel apologists are lowest kind of human shit. They literally memed you into thinking those trash movies were watchable. How does it feel to be a coercible cockwad?

>>379663110
>A lot more human
>What is making a deal with the devil

>>379662418
>instead it's about what the cost of him forcing himself to become evil

If the cost is more than he is willing to pay, then why is he paying it?

If he is willing to pay that cost, TELL ME WHY. What, exactly, is the compelling reason for him to commit evil acts and do terrible things? There has to be a reason beyond "Because being evil is great."

>>379663241
>Say I-III are better than VII
>H-h-h-h-how can you LIKE those movies????
I didn't like I-III either. Just because they were better than VII doesn't mean they were good.

>>379663267
see>>379662381

It takes some reading between the lines, but it's there. I know people are used to Star Wars shoving shit directly down their throats into their stomach but he does have reasons.

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>still focusing on shitty playable jedi

And that's why none of these shitty games will ever be better than the original.

>>379662729

In DMC3, Virgil beat Dante, but you didn't turn off the console and say "Well there's no way I can beat him now, it's over before it began."

>>379663265
When the "devil" has literally lied to you every step of the way and outright tells you he can't do what he told you he could do that caused you to fall to the dark side in the first place, accepting that deal makes you a fucking retard, plain and simple.

It seriously would have been better if Anakin turned evil just because he wanted to instead of the hamfisted bullshit we actually got.

>>379663267
Why do rich white kids shoot up schools? Why do second generation mudslimes in Europe get in trucks and run people over?

>>379663065
given what we've seen, Kylo is a poor antagonist. If they completely turn it around in the next couple movies, I'll change my tune, but given what we've seen of Disney Wars, my confidence is low.

Also the point isn't HOW she beat Kylo, it's that she beat him at all, at what is basically the weakest she'll ever be moving forward.

>>379663392
>It takes some reading between the lines, but it's there

And what is there is dumb as fuck.

He's not a compelling villain because, after you put the pieces together, you realize it's yet another teenage rebellion backstory.

>>379663518
>It's ok for Kylo to be in deep shit but still not being entirely sure of being evil
>Is not ok for Anakin (after being in deep shit) to be lied AGAIN and make him say, fuck it, might as well finnish it

>>379663596

Oh fuck off. You asked for reasons, I gave them, and now you say it sucks because he acts like a teenager. All the new major characters are teenagers, that doesn't mean they can't be compelling.

>>379663596
>you realize it's yet another teenage rebellion backstory.

and again, we come back to "he sucks because he's emo!"

You're a child with absolutely nothing of value to add, only capable of the most superficial of observations. It's okay if you don't like TFA or Kylo, but don't pretend you have any meaningful insights.

>>379663518
>Why do second generation mudslimes in Europe get in trucks and run people over?

Because they believe that is Gods will and eternal reward awaits them in the afterlife. Seriously, this shit is cause and effect.
>Why do suicide bombers put on bomb vests and kill themselves?
>Because the act of killing themselves and others means they will be rewarded in the afterlife.

The won't get rewarded when they're alive, so they have to die in order to get it. That's the price they pay. In contrast
>Why does Kylo Ren kill his dad?
>Because that's what evil people do

>>379634473
Prequels make for better games though. They introduced the variety required to make a video game. Even Battlefront EA 1 used prequel stuff-- thermal detonators, bubble shields, orbital strikes, all ideas from the prequels. If you really got a game that only used stuff from the original trilogy, there would be three guns, two factions, nothing else.

>>379663551

Kylo is still in training as well as was made clear by his conversation with the dude in the cave. Kylo is a fine antagonist and they established him exactly how they want. It's just a matter of time until we see where they go with it, but the foundation is solid at least.

>>379663796
>don't pretend you have any meaningful insights

Nobody has any meaningful insights. The character is so boring and uninteresting that any claim to insight is laughable. It's like trying to analyze Snidely Whiplash.

>Implying Luke isn't going to die
>Implying Dindu and Alien don't hook up
>Implying Kylo doesn't become a good goy
>Implying Han Solo won't come back as a force ghost

>>379663839
No, they attach themselves to radical Islamic ideology because they're useless self-loathing shits with no prospects in life and they think blowing themselves up will make their lives worth something, kind of like how Kylo was a self-loathing shit who felt like he had to attach himself to the dark side

But you're not actually as intelligent as you think you are so you're just going to ignore this and then dance back to "tee hee he didn't make the exact same rational decisions I would and he's le emo so he sucks xD!!!"

>>379663929
>evil because FUCK YOU DAD/UNCLE LUKE
>loses to the protagonist in their first encounter in what is clearly meant to be an ongoing rivalry
as of right now, he's crap

Saying "oh he'll get better after the next couple movies" is exactly the same as saying "this game gets better after the first 50 hours"

>>379641492
>Hamil actually outplayed the mouse.
The hero we deserve.

>>379639672
The ability to make extremely wide swings quickly and leaving minimal recovery time-- assuming that is a dual-bladed lightsaber.

>>379664178

Darth Vader was a pretty shitty villain and you're excusing it because "he gets better in the sequels." Again, they did exactly what they wanted with him, now we just need to see if he'll be shit or great. He has the potential for both right now. Also, rivalries don't end with one fight and Kylo was clearly pissed off about his loss.

>>379664139
>No

Yes. The promise of reward in the afterlife goes hand in hand with martyrdom. Don't even try and deny this.

>20v20
Really, why? Consoles can do 32v32.

>>379664341
right, and I don't have enough confidence in the Disney Wars writing team to delude myself that it'll turn out to be anything other than shit.

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>>379643619
Clone Trooper cosmetics will be available through microtransactions.