Why did R* remove so many TECHNOLOGY features from GTA V?

So its more appealing to the casual audience, just look at the stats for this game.

>>379624848
They had no incentive to make them because they pay for high review scores anyways. Having them would have just been extra work.

>>379624848
consoles

>>379624848
Consoles

The better graphics than 4 had a cost, no such thing as this magical "optimisation"

why has rockstar removed so much stuff and scaled the map down so much since sa
consoles isn't an excuse because it was on ps2 and xbox

>>379624848
whats funny is there was a mockery video of how smart the ambulance was between gta IV and V, it's depressing how much they got lazy in V. in 4 they would revive the person if they weren't shot the person would get in the back of the ambulance and they ride off, in v they just look and leave.

because 95% of their audience is too stupid to notice the difference.

>>379625885
Because they are lazy, creatively bankrupt cunts.

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>>379625885
>scaled the map down so much since sa

Why is GTA 5's online so fucking shitty?

Because it takes too much processing for the online mode

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>>379625885
>scaled the map down so much since sa
I don't think you realize how small that map was.

>>379627216
quality>quantity

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>>379624848
The audio and the gunplay of IV feels so fucking good. Anyone else notice how V had barely anything update on the computer? IV had Alex blogs, news stories about almost every mission, and my personal favorite EddieLowFilthSlayer. I wish those motherfuckers would have made a sequel to Chinatown Wars and put in more activities in V with friends, tennis iand golf was cool and all but really there's nothing else compared to IV when you could bowl, play air hockey, golf, fly around with Brucie listening to drug fueled ramblings, do jobs for Jacob, bomb shit with Packie, baseball bat bike races, look for cars for Stevie, internet dating, talk about suicide with Dwayne until you get his homies to back you up on rampages, and just something about IV is just so damn good.

>bawwwwwwww

This thread.

>>379627284
That's why VC is better.

>>379627284
What quality?

It kinda suck that they went full arcade with the driving in V. Even fucking slowdrive had better driving that V.

>>379627539
4 was too floaty, but 5 feels like you're driving on-rails. A mix between the two, leaning slightly more towards 4, would've been perfect.

>>379627694
I think that the driving in IV was litterally made by /o/ everything is mix between a crown vic and a miata.

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Packie>Roman>Brucie>Jacob>Dwayne

Alex>Law Chick>Kate>SoBoHo>"Michelle"

Johnny K>Niko>Luis

Way too lazy to rank friends from TLaD and TBoGT. Did anyone else notice how TLaD has this weird fucking fuzziness or whatever? Every time I play it made me feel like adjusting my tv but I knew it wouldn't fix it.

I'm so disappointed that multiplayer in GTAV is either "no fun allowed" MMO with constant loading screens and no animals or pirate servers with russkies and nothing to do.
I wish there was a simple small co-op that doesn't use lobby system every 5 minutes and has animals.

>>379625925
Yeah it's stupid how the paramedics do absolutely nothing and that they haven't brought back ambulance missions at all.

Better graphics, engine improvements, and customization features

>>379628074
How the fuck do you remember all those shitty characters?

>>379628074
A literal cuckold.

>>379625925
>>379624848
What's the point of MUH TECHNOLOGY when GTA 4 was as much of a boring piece of shit as GTA V?

You remember framerate of gta 4 on ps3 and xbox?
THIS IS THE POWER OF JAGUAR CPU
And TECHNOLOGY you talking about using CPU resources.

>>379627432
Nigga don't tell me playing as CJ in Grove Street didn't beat out literally everything in V. I only played the game a few years ago and it was much, much better than what V had to offer.

>Actual characters
>Immersive shit
>Gym
>early '90s N.W.A. Boyz n the Hood aesthetics
>Actual celebrity talent
>Likable protagonist
>Fresh political satire from not-pissed off 40 somethings

C'mon now.

>>379628074
TLaD had a grainy filter that could easily be removed in the PC version, just like the piss filter in doo sex human revolution.

>>379625770
features like AI behaviors and ambulances actually picking up people and taking them to the hospital costs like no resources at all. It's just basic mission scripting. I know because I have done a lot of script modding with the mission scripting "natives" myself:
http://www.dev-c.com/nativedb/

They just use these commands in programming loops, functions and stuff like if/else statements all the time in the background. It's programmed in C and costs hardly any CPU.

So yeah I guess they just ran out of time for properly implementing some of the the stuff up to Rockstar's quality standards before the game's summer 2013 deadline. Some of the AI tech is better, like the off-road driving AI and the cop combat AI, but other stuff is missing or worse. Maybe they excused it because they thought it was bad to let you kill ambulances as they were trying to save people's lives, so they just made everyone die every time to make it more arcade-like and feel less real. They might've made cops / people more easily triggered to reflect the aggressive nature of the real LAPD and Californians.

>>379627161
Rockstar has already thrived in storytelling (well, until V, which was mediocre). The actors tried their best, and I really enjoyed Michael and Trevor, but the story was all over the place and felt unfinished. Also why were the heists so shallow when they were the main selling point? Also has been said before, but I really hate playing government boy for most of a GTA game.

Online is just Online. What else do you expect?

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>>379628225
This was my fucking Persona before I even discovered weebshit games outside of DBZ Budokai and Legacy of Goku. Only fucking plebs don't immerse themselves in the world and build attachment to the characters.

>that mission where it always has Heaven and Hell play on Liberty Rock when you ride with Packie somewhere and he says he wants it played at his funeral

I've played GTAIV the most.

>it's a "pretend that GTA V is worse than IV" episode

Because people are going to lap it up either way.

>>379628787
>heists are so shallow
Word. I think 3 out of the heists don't even give you anything. There's Trevor's retarded heist, Paleto Score (the FIB takes the money) and the Bureau Raid (they give you whatever was left from Paleto Score).

I liked some of the setup missions, like triggering the alarm in the Paleto bank. I think anyone can agree that most of the fluff in GTA V's missions was fucking padding, ie. the developers put you in a place, and you have to drive to somewhere else to trigger the next cutscene. That padding fucking sucks.

Also fucking helicopters. I dreaded helicopter missions in GTA V, because they handle like a plastic bag in a tornado

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>Removal of fun internet pages
>Removal of realistic car handling and vehicle suspension
>Removal of ragdoll systems merging with standard animations
>Removal of a good radio
>Removal of a free-for-all multiplayer
>Removal of a well-thought story
>Removal of interiors

>>379624848
they were necessary sacrifices to make the map bigger and improve the graphics, you gotta remember they had to make gta v run on a ps3 at the time. I bummed that they didn't try to bring some of it back for the pc and ps4.

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>>379628074
>Dawyne at the bottom
>Johnny > Niko

>>379629305
Pop station and WCC are the only somewhat alright ones.

Seriously, they need to put all their focus on story next time. I'm looking forward to RDR2 for exactly that. If they drop the ball there, I don't know where they go from here.

>>379628787
Also the "villains" were complete shit. Stretch just disappears after the first act. What a shitty game.

>>379629439
If it wasn't for Dwayne's friends backing you up and how Playboy was a little bitch then I would have killed his suicidal ass. The motherfucker was a fucking downer and that says something when compared to other characters from IV.

>>379628596
I read that was done instead of anti-aliasing, since that would improve the framerate on consoles.

>>379629720
It literally was only in TLaD though.

>>379629702
At least Niko eventually tells him to shut the fuck up and hints he had a way worse life than he did without directly saying it.

>tfw when the Yugoslav war happened in 1991-2001
>Niko is 30 in 2008

Do the math.

>>379629679
I was completely suprised they even had you kill him when he literally was only in one fucking mission.

>>379629878
Not to mention most of the conflict happened before 1995.

>>379629214
>Also fucking helicopters. I dreaded helicopter missions in GTA V, because they handle like a plastic bag in a tornado
I thought the helicopters were much easier to fly in V than IV, even on a keyboard.

>>379629878
>Children lined up with their hands cut off and their throats slit

Niko had a hard life

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>>379624848
You try making a game run flawlessly on 5 different platforms, slick.

>>379630304
Doesn't help the story, though.

i know for a fact that the reason cars dont get as fucked up as in IV is because they wanted more cars to be rendered at a time

>>379624848
Because they wanted to release a GTA game with actual content this time so they scaled the "technology" back

>>379624848
They required too much processing power and GTA V already pushed 360/PS3 to it's limits.

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>>379627216
>/v/ in charge of an argument
The map size is something like this factoring in character speed.

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>>379630380
What do you mean? You do realized that games take time to develop, having the game work on the PS3, Xbox 360 and then the Xbone, PS4 and the PC takes time, they also have a deadline, I know the concept of deadlines and contracts is hard to understand to a uninformed NEET, but those still exist in the real world.

>>379630567
Are you sure that's up to scale? I realize you also need to account the character speed, vehicle speed and everything else I've missed.

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>>379630567
You are completely mental. SA's entire map is a bit smaller than LS in V.

>>379630793
What I mean is the story sucked and was uninspired garbage. Clear enough for you?

>>379630567
>the map feels big because cars move at a snails pace and this is a good thing
>this has an effect on the actual size of the map

>>379624848
I'd argue that GTAV has just as many if not more technology shit then IV, just different stuff. The ragdoll phyisics were towned down though but even then RDR had better ragdolls than GTA IV.
As for why, because V displyed way more cars and NPCs and shit and even animals compared to IV. RDR only could look so good on last gen and have better physics beacuse it barely had a few NPCs here and there, mostly animals

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>>379630927
Right, yeah, the story sucked ass, but that was hardly the whole point of this discussion, so nice job moving the goal posts.

>>379630446
Nigga the cars in IV literally become coke cans if you're going fast enough and crash.

>>379630567
V has a lot of empty space with barely any people. That reminds me of how I like RDR has the random encounters keep ocurring because V sure as fuck felt empty when you did them all once.>>379630304

>>379630446
Couldn't they somehow make it so that damage is only that relevant to the player's car/car's the player engages with? We don't need complex damages across all cars, in fact that was one of the worst parts of IV, the amount of terrible car accidents happening randomly and casually all the time. If there was a way to make it so only the player's car/cars the player crashes into have that level of damage that would be ideal. Just a thought. Also more processing power is always a good thing.

>>379630567
Why is every state an island in GTA?

>>379629305
this pic is intense

>>379630446
I honestly don't think removing the more complex car damage model was a performance concession, it was a gameplay choice. In V you have much farther to drive to get from place to place compared to IV, wrecking your car and getting stranded somewhere would be a huge pain. Which is is, have you tried playing GTA V with the car damage modded in? It is honestly pure torture.

>>379628554
>playing as CJ in Grove Street
for a whopping 10 missions before movin on up to the east(west) side

>>379631306
It's probably easier to just make an endless ocean than a random invisible wall or a random big wall or mountain that stops you

>>379630793
>thinking the same people who code and program the various bits of the game also write the story
It's like you've never had a job before in your life.

>>379628120
>I wish there was a simple small co-op that doesn't use lobby system every 5 minutes and has animals
this. freeroam with ranodm 13 year olds isnt fun and waiting 10 minutes between rounds trying to do anything else isnt either

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>>379627930
Sounds like a perfect world to me.

>>379631540
I agree, I wish GTA in general would keep things more small-scale for longer, but there's gotta be a way to combine the signature outrageous missions of classic GTA with more realistic-down-to-earth ones. V tried that and failed miserably, but I also feel like the devs were trying too hard to make a "classic" GTA-style game and it didn't quite land.

>GTA IV remastered with all features intact
>Superior graphics and optimizations as GTA V
Would you play again, /v/ ?

>>379632241
No, that was the most one and done game I have every played.

>>379632241
No. I'd much rather they go back and remake earlier GTA's in 3D/HD

>>379632241
Nigga I'm still playing it on my Xbone and having a great time. I genuinely wanted more missions for Faustin and I think Vlad would have posted here.

>>379631521
i edited Vs damage values so that 1 bad crash could make a car unuseable, but generally 2-4 is where that happens, and police car damage is 3-4x that since they just keep throwing new ones at you anyway. it's fun torture

>>379627352
The interiors, man, the interiors.

It was so fun actually going out for a cup of coffee in the morning and heading into a seedy little bar or restaurant and seeing people seemingly living their lives, seeing activity, and then heading out for your next day of reluctant crime.

If San Andreas and even Vice City had some interiors to go into, why is V so devoid of them except for a very, very, very small handful of locations? Even the spots that do have admittedly good-looking interiors are most often blocked off outside of missions.

>>379631041
this is accurate. there's a counterpoint video to the "gta iv is better than v" video thats always posted. people just notice the things that were taken out more than what was added

>>379628074
>Johnny K higher tier than based Niko and Luis

fuck outta here bet this bitch ass nigga rides a harley

>>379632548
I think it's because they spent so long working on underwater areas that 99% of players never saw.

>>379628775
>costs like no resources at all.
False. Stopped reading the rest, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

>>379632432
Faustin was such a psychotic piece of shit. I can only take so much of him. he was pretty much suicidal anyway with how he behaved. Ironically he was right though, about most things. Dimitri was out to kill him. Probably one of the reasons he deteriorated so much. Paranoia will do that, especially if you're actually correct. Then again, he seemed to be doing a lot of coke and drinking. He was done anyway.

>>379624848
They became lazy. RDR2 will guaranteed suffer a lot as well

VI S.T. suggestions?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqu132vTl5Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp41Yp_-Qsk&feature=youtu.be

I still don't get why V didn't have horses, they have the models, the animations etc. ANd it even has a fucking horse race track

>>379633658
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HQY6Wn55Ms

>>379633152
I honestly liked Niko talking to his wife/Dimitri waxing nostalgic about him and he was a piece of shit but he did care about his family.

>ywn have a friend as good as Faustin in prison that protects you from getting raped

>>379633680
If I had to guess, the animations took up too much memory on the 360/PS3 so they got cut last minute. All of the late 7th Gen game were running right at the memory limit and had razor thin margins to work within, things like complex animations could send you over the limit.

>>379634015
Faustin's selfishness ended up fucking his family. It was clear none of them liked being around a coked up sadistic mob boss all day. It's pretty clear he's mostly at fault for his daughter's behaviour, and on top of that it seems he ruined a good woman. The guy was piece of shit, but it was clear he was damaged goods. Anyway, it turned out how it inevitably was going to.

>>379631041
>>379632663
https://m.imgur.com/a/91s4K

Niko (after getting a prostitute): Life is strange, isn't it?

Niko (after getting drunk/questioned by Michelle): It's fun, y'know?

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>>379634520
True but if it wasn't for him his daughter would have gotten turned out by The Lost.

I wish there was a way to play GTAIV and EFLC in some kind of chronological order with how events coincide with each other.

>>379624848
They needed to streamline the movement a little bit, aiming and moving in general in IV was gross. It's almost incomprehensible how it ended up in the real game.
As for climbing, I guess they went with the horizontal gameplay like the previous games. IV allowed you to climb pretty much any building, but there wasn't anything up there anyway.
Localized damage is still there, but still no gibbing. My guess is the RAGE engine can't do gibbing at all.
I think they went the right direction with pretty much everything in V, except for utilizing the map properly. A lot of locales are just there doing nothing and no mission ever touches them.

such as?

>>379625058
That doesn't make any sense, IV sold like hotcakes.

>>379635023
Yeah, tried doing that. It's a real pain in the ass. Honestly I hope Rockstar makes GTA more like an RPG and opens up the story a bit more while also keeping it somewhere between IV and V thematically.

>>379635059
>gibbing

Seeing those motherfuckers in RDR with gigantic exit wounds was so satisfying and it's just too bad it wasn't in Max Payne 3.

>>379635059
the movement owned in IV wtf is wrong with you.
the problem with IV was the movement WHILE aiming.
the gun control was completely awful and retarded.

I think that about most "realistic" games in general though. They assume humans can't control guns as good as they actually can. It's probably more to do with controller compatibility than anything though.

>>379635252
In some ways I like the way people tense up when they got shot in V, I just wish the actual shooting felt more powerful as it did in IV and the guys ragdoll a little bit more.

I definitely feel the tomato paste exit wounds belong in RDR, though. Brings about a very Spaghetti Western feel to the whole thing.

>>379635321
>the movement owned in IV wtf is wrong with you.
Aiming from cover and out of cover in IV is terrible, you shouldn't blindly defend games you don't remember. There's localized damage and characters drop their weapons, but the accuracy is fucked. The camera is unwieldy, to say the least.

>>379635321
Just turn off auto aim. I liked the partial auto aim in V more to be honest and thought it was an improvement.

I just want more small-scale stuff in the next GTA before it gets into the real shit. I mean, I get V was going for the Hollywood feel which makes sense considering the setting, but gunning down dozens upon dozens of cops and army guys just doesn't feel right. At least in IV Niko had army experience so it felt a bit more real. I always try and stick to Trevor when playing V for the same reason since he's basically a cartoon character.

>>379635424
It's an audio and damage thing for me in V because the guns sound like shit and the motherfuckers took way too many bullets to die.

IV sfx sound like artillery cannons in comparison and that's definitely a big factor for a shooter.

>>379635532
read my post again LOL.
I literally said the problem is gun control.
the actual movement and physics itself was the best thing.

>>379635424
All the guns felt like pea shooters in IV. The animations were also disgusting. That part of the gameplay carried over from the older games and it shows, especially the awful camera movement. And most enemies are bullet sponges, so the guns felt like toys until you got to the automatic rifles and shotguns.
The cover system is nigh broken. Everything they fucked up in IV they fixed in RDR, though.
GTA V tried to implement Max Payne 3 gunplay mechanics, just very poorly. The toned down gore is inexplicable, really.

>>379635809
Yep. Also they took out wounding which makes absolutely no sense.

>>379634825
Most of those details were in GTA 4.
Also
>When characters and NPCs pass near each other (on foot or in a vehicle), they will automatically glance at each other for a bit.
This literary was a thing in 3D games since 99

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>>379630567

>>379635928
You're carrying a peashooter more or less at the beginning. Once you get the Desert Eagle most guys will die in one or two hits.

>>379635887
The character movement in IV feels like a leftover from the older games. It really clashes with the updated engine and environments, and the improved car physics. Essentially everything feels new and revamped, except the movement and gunplay.
The best example of this is trying to aim and shoot through a doorway while taking cover, it's doable, but it's cumbersome as fuck.

>>379624848
Because online.

Euphoria physics engine was great in IV but no way it can simulate that with 32 people at the same time in the entire map.

>>379636093
Again, I can kinda excuse that since you're in Cali, home of the narcissists, but I definitely noticed/appreciated the little details more in IV.

>>379636148
That's sort of what I said, still, a pistol should feel like a water pistol. It was never the case in previous games.

>>379636139
SA still has more city than right.

>>379636284
Yeah, they used all the tech they could from IV and Max Payne 3 but I appreciate at least those specific dialogues in V, I think that was the biggest attention to detail there.

>>379636181
git gud

But yes, swinging doors were annoying.

>>379630446
Nope. They changed it only so cars wont become undriveable from crashes as quickly.

>>379636139
>16000x16000
Why is that seeming unlikely?

I hope they keep the new VC map small desu. Maybe include some wilderness/swamps but I want the city to be small and compact, yet full of details.

>>379636469
>git gud
There's no git gud in GTA games, they're all piss easy, bar a couple of missions in vice city. And that was due to the driving, not the shitty aiming.

>>379634825
I hope they take out bullet wounds on the player character. Distracting as fuck in cutscenes.

>>379631521
>ive become a shitter driver

>>379624848
I know in San Andreas there were rogue npc's that would commit crimes (speeding, aggressive driving, shooting etc), but did they exist in GTAIV and GTAV?

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>>379624848

>never played gtaV
>staying at a old navy buddies house while on break from school
>make friends with someone else whose staying at his house
>we smoke weed and play gtaV
>all i do is go on killing sprees until im killed by cops
>"anon the story is cool too, you should try the missions"
>ignore him and keep going on killing sprees

>>379637607
nice blog normalfag drone

>>379637129
Well there's a way to get good enough to play it realistically/cinematically, if you're into that.

>>379637607
hahahaha dude weed

>>379638221
>People on /v/ don't smoke

Explains a lot.

>>379638685
Explains what? That people who smoke are still teenagers and some people on /v/ are older?

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>IVfags unironically think their shit game is better because muh minor details

>>379638818
The sheer amount of buttblast on this board, I guess. I haven't smoked in a year, but I'm still surprised at the amount of tension here, even compared to the other boards. Video games do bring about aggression, I guess.

>>379639375
It's just a meme dude, no reason to get so concerned.

>>379635161
That's in part due to the fact that so many people liked San Andreas.

>>379639489
Seems like it.

>>379639580
People will buy GTA no matter what. Also SA had a good story. V is nothing compared to it, still.

>>379628775
Fucking this.

Anyone who says that it is because it was CPU constricted are fucking retards.
GTAIV was on ps3/360. The thing to take notice of there is the fact that it was on 360 because that had the weakest CPU.
You could easily cram all of that shit into GTAV (and i think they even did cram a bunch into GTAV just some obscure stuff you wouldn't notice)

>>379627216
>that
>small

Looking down on it like that with those shitty graphics and no atmosphere/fog that you would have in real life removes any sense of scale and makes it look even smaller than it is. I'm not saying it's a big as a real city but it's still pretty big, walking from one end of that map to the other would probably take as long as it would to walk across the small town where I grew up.

>>379631306
Climate change

>>379639375
I'd say it's more along the lines of videogames attract the underage, who want to appear "cool" and unironically take the "/v/ hates everything" meme seriously. Or it's literal, clinical, autism and they can't handle people having opposing views/opinions.

>>379636139
Why did they stick in a massive lake and giant mountains when there is literally nothing to do at them? It's just a waste of space

>>379640698
What is easier to draw?
A vast and beautiful fully detailed city or.... just some blocky mountains and few trees?

>>379632991
>False
Stopped reading here, you're and idiot and I'm not wasting another second reading through the rest of that post