Video Game Voice Actor's Strike

>As SAG-AFTRA continues to negotiate a new film and TV contract, nine video game companies the union has been on strike against since last October today invited the union to return to the bargaining table. The walkout is now in its 231st day – by far the longest strike in SAG history.

“While there have been no talks since last fall, the video game companies would welcome the union back to the table for meaningful conversations,” the struck companies said in a statement. “The companies look forward to the time when SAG-AFTRA will let its members return to the work that they love.”

>Residuals remain the key issue in the strike, which began October 21. The guild wants to give the game companies the option of paying an upfront bonus to performers or paying backend residuals on successful games. The companies, however, steadfastly have refused to include any residuals formula in the collective bargaining agreement.

The union says that 20 companies and 30 games have signed agreements it promulgated in October that give performers residuals amounting to a full-day’s pay for each 500,000 units sold, up to four secondary payments if the game sells 2 million units.

>The struck companies represent some of the industry’s largest players including Electronic Arts, WB Games and Activision. They say that none of their members have broken ranks and signed that agreement, and the union has never claimed they have. “None of the interactive video game companies that have bargained together have signed a contract with SAG-AFTRA,” the companies said. “Any report or statement that suggests otherwise is either mistaken or direct misinformation.”

SAG-AFTRA, meanwhile, is in the second week of negotiations with management’s AMPTP for a new three-year film and TV contract. The union’s current contract expires June 30.

I hope the strike never ends. I'm tired of having the same chucklefucks in every single game.

>>379619768
this
gaming doesn't need voice actors

>>379619287
Cool. I may think the VAs are being a little overreactive but it's nice to see the fags of the industry getting a good kick to the balls for once.

>>379619287
>Day 231
Damn, its like nobody is giving a fuck

It's pretty easy to strike when the actors aren't even working for the companies they're striking against.

It's funny to see a bunch of people who aren't even voice actors or even members of SAG getting together bi-monthly to hold signs for an hour just so they can take pictures for twitter.

I don't understand why they didn't correct all those other statements that were made about the strike possibly being slowly resolve before as being mistaken facts until now. Why didn't they say this sort of stuff when they statements first started to come out?

lol voice """""""actors"""""""

I hope they never find work again those pathetic fucking losers

>>379620131
>those cutscenes in BOTW with shit awful VA and then it cuts to text only and everything improves significantly

>>379619287
Wil Wheaton goes into pretty good detail on the nuts & bolts of voice acting for anyone curious; http://archive.is/FMlok

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>Day 231

"One-two-three-four! Voice Actors deserve more -
Money!"

>>379619287
>Get paid hundreds of dollars to say a single sentence.
>Waaah I want more money and to lock other people out of the system so I can make even more!
Disgusting.

>>379621076
>You guys just don't understand how HARD it is to talk into a microphone for a few hours!

>>379619287
>Strike is now on Day 231
no one gives a shit about video game voice actors
any hobo from the street can replace them

>>379620497
At this point, making picket signs solely for twitter/facebook has become a popular pastime.

>>379621287
>Get paid hundreds of dollars to say a single sentence.
Maybe if you're an A-list celebrity, but generally video game voice actors are paid peanuts to scream for 4 hours straight until they bleed from the throat.

Hope this brings about more games without voice acting like we used to have.

>>379621287
>Get paid hundreds of dollars to say a single sentence.
If you're in high demand then yeah, I doubt the fuckers at the bottom get even a fraction of that

>>379621412
So get a better job

You know how Westwood simply pulled programmers from their desks just to record voicelines or say some lines on a green screen?

Any studio can do it.

>>379621076
>Wil Wheaton

Who gives a fuck about Wil Wheaton?

>>379621513
They still get paid a lot of money for doing little work.

>>379620720
Like your mom

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>Post yfw we will finally have new fresh meat coming in and video game companies will weed out the shitty ones and get new fresh good ones
HOLY SHIT THIS IS AMAZING

I'm hoping all of the western VA's go on strike so that I don't have to listen to shitty dubs anymore.

>>379621364
Actually it's not just that but mocap too.
>But there’s more. Our employers also refuse:

>[…] to hire stunt safety coordinators to protect actors’ well-being in the PCap volume, to share with us and/or our representatives the actual name of the games we work on, and to outline the nature of the work we’ll be doing?

Working in Motion Capture is amazing, and that technology has allowed some of the most incredible works of videogame art in history to be created. The Last of Us, Grand Theft Auto V, Heavy Rain, Uncharted 4, are just a few of the titles that have been brought to life by talented performers using their voices and their movements to create a realism that was unheard of fifteen years ago. It can be dangerous work, especially when there are fights involved, so when we work in live action film or television, there is always a trained, qualified, professional stunt coordinator on set to ensure that nothing goes wrong and nobody gets hurt. The performers who work in those scenes should be afforded the same protection we get when we’re on a traditional film or television set.

>>379621513
More or less. Billy West has a good piece on how they'll drag people like him in for auditions, and then hire someone with star power to do it exactly like the auditioners did: http://www.avclub.com/article/billy-west-13937

it's time for machine language

>Master chef is very strong warriar he go shoot allions to save earth

>>379621809
Shit, forgot a meme arrow for the third paragraph, my bad.

Why do we even need VA I rather read it and come up with my own voices

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>>379619287
fuck off already, stupid fucking voice actor's, nobody care, if you don't have enough money, work another job

>>379621964
Normies

>>379621964
This mai dewd, whenever I do that I read everything in Monty Python voices xD

>>379622131
Normies?
They rather watch some fuckboi playing the game making voices up as he goes

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Why do American voice actors think they deserve more money when none of them can even do good voice work?

>>379619287
The publishers should just tell them to go fuck theirselves. Video game voice acting is terrible anyway, so might as well have a bunch of amateurs doing it instead of these "professionals".

>>379621759
>Strike begins
>Non-union voice actors get work
>The quality remains the same
Aside from Summon Night 6, I haven't seen much of a difference.

>VAs want more money
>even less money goes to the devs who are actually making games
This is a farce.

>>379622310
The same reason why McDonald's burger flippers want to be paid $15/hr

>>379622310
Not only that. They want a percentage of total profits. In a game where there are twenty voice actors, what's left for investors?

>>379619287
So that's why Metzen does 65% of all the voices for Blizzard games
>>379620131
Yes they do
>>379620964
>those cutscenes in The Wild hunt with fantastic VA and never ones makes the game worse

>>379619287
>Strike is now on Day 231
Good job that's it's been over half a year and literally no one cares.
The writers strike liberals had only made a small impact because it effected your liberal propaganda shows like The Daily Show with John Stewart ... Oh wait ... he worked before the strike ended.

So you mean they'll have to hire actual actors who have at least a stand of talent instead of literal fucking whos?

Such a tragedy.

>>379622310
T.Weaboo

>>379622718
Go back to your movie games.

Man, fuck voice acting in video games. Games were great without it and would be better off if it went away.

>>379621562
This. Fuck's sake, just go to the interview and give the dude a firm handshake. Bam, you're hired. It's not fucking hard.

>>379622791
Go back to your animes .

>>379619287
In all fairness, some of their demands weren't completely unreasonable. Most notably that more detailed character information and details be sent to the performer(s) earlier, instead of just getting generic "he's a tough soldier" only to show up in the booth and learn all the other minute details.

The royalties thing is dumb though. They should have taken the base pay raise and called it a day

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To all those of you who think that voice acting is easy, I invite you to vocaroo your own voice and actually give a stellar voice acting performance.

http://vocaroo.com/

Go on. I'm waiting.

>>379622882
Spoken like someone who has never had a job

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>>379622987
>>379622718

>>379622580
This is the problem. Why should VAs get residuals? I mean fuck, those games are not being sold on the VAs names.Games don't sell because the lead VA is Mark Hamil. Movies sell because of lead roles.

>More or less. Billy West has a good piece on how they'll drag people like him in for auditions, and then hire someone with star power to do it exactly like the auditioners did: http://www.avclub.com/article/billy-west-13937

You can't have it both ways. You can't want residuals because of your supposed fame and then bitch when the job market becomes all about your "star power."

>>379623060
Regardless of the difficulty of voice acting, they're already being fairly compensated for their work. They do not deserve more money.

>>379623060
>implying you won't just say "LOL YOUR VOICE IS NASALLY SHIT 0/10" even though there's an enormous market for voices of every type
besides, vocaroo is garbage, that compresses audio to an incredibly shit state.

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>>379621562
>>379622882
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siAbiwPyccg

>>379623060
let's see your programming and art

>>379622621
Witcher 3 was shit m8 I know you just started gaming in 2013 but come on.

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>>379623224
Probably because your voice IS nasally shit and you've been called out for it before you insecure faggot.

>>379623060
Most of the people who think it's easy are just underage anime fans who think literally anyone can do it, which given the amount of bad performances it's no surprise they have such an impression.

However if you have no range or vocal training then it's a lot harder than it seems, and to top it all off unless you're doing big name games or commercials then you're basically on the bottom of the ladder in the acting world (especially if you just do anime).

>>379623261
Classic misdirection.

>>379621412
>video game voice actors are paid peanuts
No, they aren't. The money they receive is more than fair.

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>tfw David Hayter is still part of this

>>379623394
>REEE VOICE ACTORS SHOULD GET A PERCENTAGE OF THE PROFITS FROM EVERY GAME SOLD
>BUT NOT THE PROGRAMMERS OR ARTISTS, WHO CARES ABOUT THEM, PEOPLE BUY GAMES FOR THE VOICE ACTING REEE
kill yourself

>>379623425
EA shill, pls go.

>>379621412
Programmers have to spends hours upon hours during crunch time, and they don't get paid nearly as much as voice actors. They are scum.

>>379623090
Just one. Did exactly that and I got made Manager on the spot. Make 40k a year, got benefits, and a pension. I'm set fag-o-tron. It really is that easy.
>>379623231
>Always Reddit in Reddit-delphia
AWAY AWAY! AWAY TO REDDIT WITH THEE!
AWAY AWAY! AWAY TO REDDIT WITH THEE!
AWAY AWAY! AWAY TO REDDIT WITH THEE!

>>379623460
Who?

The new Deus Ex games, Metal Gear Rising, and Catherine are the only games in recent memory with voice over that made the game better

>>379623530
VA shill pls go

>>379620720
what do you do for a living?

>>379623460
Anon, he cant go on strike from that no job he has.

>>379623370

Actual game developers must really appreciate this strike. They spend 1-2 years 80 hours a week working for sweatshop salary to make a game, then some smug voice acting asshole barges in and demands royalties from all sales, like as if they are the reason people buy games.

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I'm not against unions necessarily but I don't see voice actors as particularly important to the core experience. I think if anyone is to unionize they are last in line. Most devs go through shit they couldn't dream about. Burnout in the industry is rediculous and we are all worse off because of it.

>>379623503
The only point that was made at the beginning of this chain was that voice acting isn't easy. That poster never argued that voice actors should be paid more than other people in the development process, it was just an attack on the reasoning that voice acting is easy. That poster might think that voice actors should get more, but I don't like seeing people extrapolate arguments just because someone attacks a certain point someone is making.

>>379623460
Does he even do voice work anymore?

Devs should just hire youtubers.

>>379623543
Sure you did, I'm sure that it had nothing to do with the fact that you had better qualifications or connections then the other people who where searching

Alternative you where the only one who was applying for that job

I wouldn't even be against these faggots if they weren't so adamant about locking any/all potential new talent out of the industry. Couldn't even make demands you could at least see the reason for without sticking their jewnoses into it.

This is a pretty terrible action by the union

The big names want more shit, so it's the little guys who are forced into the union who are getting fucked.

This would be the little guys' time to shine.

Remember when we all thought this would be over quick because we were sure the bullshit residuals demand would be dropped?

>>379623731
They should hire stage actors. There's plenty of up and coming stage actors in the US who could do voice work.
The ONLY games with good western voice acting are Xenoblade and Kingdom Hearts. Both of which use actual actors, not voice """""actors"""""

>>379623763
>better qualifications
That would be it if anything. There are no others like me, there is only me.

>>379623694
He was supposed to do something in Bloodstained I think.

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>>379623060
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0KNhVJ9Qugi

What a massive non-issue.

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>the strike will never end because 99% of voice actors can't get hired

these people are just absolute scum.

Are these people like, full time video game voice actors? Is that all they do? If that's the case, then they're dumb. Get a more sustaining and consistent job.

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>yfw devs voice their own games to save money

>getting paid more is not enough
>they want a percentage cut so they get millions if the game sells well
It won't work

>>379624040
Would hire.

>>379621364
>being purposefully reductive
You're so naive it hurts. Grow up man. Christ.

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>>379623503
>>379623541
Nobody is fucking denying that programmers and artists should get better treatment too you fucking dipshits.

Both voice actors, programmers, and artists deserve better treatment and pay.

The reason why this strike is getting attention is because the voice actors are actually fucking doing something about it.

The ones who you should really be against are production companies like EA and Activision and the greedy corporate fucks who run their employees into the ground and make wage slaves out of programmers, artists, voice actors, etc.

In fact, these corporate cocksuckers ALWAYS cite the pay of programmers and artists as the reason why they don't pay voice actors more, and then they continue to treat EVERYBODY like shit.

>Programmers don't get paid nearly as much as voice actors
[citation needed]
They ALL get paid like shit and mistreated by the corporate top brass. They ALL deserve better treatment and pay. Do I have to spoonfeed this to you dipshits?

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>>379619768
>I'm tired of having the same chucklefucks in every single game.
So you'd rather have this instead

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>>379624040

>voice actors think they deserve more than the devs who do the real work

Fuck em but knowing the companies they're targeting they'll probably get their demands

>>379624402
Yep.

>>379624456
Triggered by voice. Probably slinging one sentence recordings for pennies

>>379624480
Nah

companies care about money and customers more

>>379624362

>The reason why this strike is getting attention is because the voice actors are actually fucking doing something about it.

And simultaneously demanding royalties per games sold, directly pissing on the entire production line, walking all over them just like the companies themselves.

That demand is essentially a statement "our work matters more than developer's work.". If they would drop that demand entirely, it would be much easier to appreciate their strike.

>>379623541
They can and should unionize too, it isn't on the VA's to protest for the programmers.

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>>379624402
>caring about a voice actor's appearance

>>379623541
>code monkey butthurt babby
The amount of stress they put on their voices and throats (sometimes to the point of completely destroying it and often needing surgery with the hopes that they can still act afterwards) requires and deserves far more that a guy who sits around, googles pieces of code he needs and types all day.

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Gameplay>Story>Graphics>Music>DK Mode>>>>>>>>> VA

In that priority.

There's barely any AAA games even coming out this year

>>379624402
>Voice actors
>caring about appearance
Why are you so fucking petty? I don't give two fucks about what the bitch looks like, I care what she sounds like.

>>379624402
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/356012

>>379624362
Theyre not getting residuals if the hundreds of devs at these huge companies aren't either. Devs deserve residuals way more and if they won't get it why would the voice actors

>>379619287
Fuck 'em. Let some retired people do the work.

>>379624734
>>379624791
>I didn't play the game
Have you heard english 2B? Shit's atrocious

>>379619287
Is this the reason why Laua Bailey doesn´t voice Lucina and Rise anymore?

>>379619287
Fucking hell, you're still shilling this shit?
No one cares about voice actors, fuck off with this whining.

>>379624861
Sounds fine to me.

>>379623541
Gee, it's like treatment of the employees is shit all around and maybe programmers should unionize too.

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>>379620964
>>379620131
>>379619768
>>379619287
I get mad sometimes when I can't mute the voice acting in games. Especially when it comes to games that I really love from the 90's and early 00's. For every Metal Gear Solid there's dozens of games getting fucked over by these cunts.

>>379624907
She didn't do Rise because of scheduling.

>>379624738

Fuck off. They don't put anywhere near the amount of stress on their throat that singers do and there are plenty of professions that require an equivalent amount of stress, e.g. teachers, that don't see any royalties, much less their hourly rate.

Fuck "performers", they are just a bunch egomaniacal exhibitionists with delusions of grandeur.

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Pray for the strike to last forever! Channel negative energy into the strike! People of /v/ lend me your strength!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

>>379625057
If you have no standards, sure

>>379624861
>Have you heard english 2B?

No, I'm not fucking retarded so I played with the Japanese voices. Who gives a shit what the English voice actors are like in a Japanese game?

>>379624861
Her actually voice work is fine. The problem is the voice director got the character wrong.
Its emotional android putting on a bitchy act NOT bitchy android with an emotional side

>>379625068
If actual Western Programmers Unionize they will just hire third worlders who will do the work for pennies

>>379621748
Scabbing is illegal.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miF9e7L2Dyk

Meanwhile at Blizzard...

>>379625190
ok

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>>379621398
Pretty much

>>379624362
Some demands are reasonable, others aren't. Pay is the big sticking point. You aren't seeing Will Weaton dropping out of the industry because he can't raise a family.

>>379619364
I thought they said they were just bargaining for their break times or whatever. Now they really do want those residuals, huh? Fucking greedy ass jews.

>>379624907
Japanese anime and other tightwads have actors "lend" their voice to a game without being credited in the actual work. It's quick cash but when a major studio gives them real work and union wages come into play, they stop returning calls.

>>379625246
What

I like how nobody cares and it hasnt affected games in any way.

>>379625246
>The problem is the voice director got the character wrong.
Are you serious. What, they didn't even let the VAs listen to the original audio to get an idea of how to voice a character?

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>>379622414
>The publishers should just tell them to go fuck theirselves.
Employers legally cannot just tell whoever's striking to fuck off, otherwise they'd just fire everyone whenever a strike took effect.

It's a dumb fucking law and I'm waiting for the God-Emperor to change it.
>>379625249
Not with the God-Emperor at the helm, m8.

>>379625178
>repeating the same lines all day, everyday vs singers who perform for a few hour
Right.

>teachers
>muh poor mommy is so stressed after tecahing all day, nobody knows how rough it is for teachers!!!!
Get fucked nigger.

Jesus man, you need to get over whatever issues you have with performers. Did one of them diddle you as a kid and that's why you have such a hate boner for them? Sort your life out.

>>379620131
Does that means the RPG games stop turning into shit?

>Steve Blum is on strike from WB
>Voiced GL in Injustice 2.

>>379625573
>God-Emperor
Has he done anything for this title, except fail to keep muslims out of the usa?

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>>379621483
If anything I can see a bigger trend of japanese games having no english dubs. Arcsys got rid of their dubbing for Guilty Gear and Blazblue and I'd be surprised if it had a major impact on sales.

>>379619768
Fucking this.

>>379625184
I cant believe I watched that shit. Even 15 year old me thought that was terrible, 8 episodes of spirit bomb and fluff

>>379624643
>And simultaneously demanding royalties per games sold
For only the major AAA titles that sell copies in the millions. What's wrong with that?
>directly pissing on the entire production line, walking all over them just like the companies themselves.
No it fucking doesn't.
>That demand is essentially a statement "our work matters more than developer's work."
No it fucking isn't.

SAG-AFTRA has repeatedly denied this and have stated that programmers, artists, and other affiliates of the gaming industry deserve better treatment too.
>>379624818
They BOTH deserve residuals and better treatment. Voice actors are just in a position where they can demand it. Devs deserve residuals too, but the problem is that devs are easier to replace, so devs going on strike is far more risky and have less of a chance of baring fruitful results.

>>379625689
You mean aside from playing such a masterful game of 4D chess that he's got the Muslims killing each other now instead of us? The Middle-East shithole is in fucking shambles.

You've also got Putin and China openly begging the God-Emperor not to rape them up the ass.

He also put hard workers back to work by pulling out of the Paris Hoax.

He singlehandedly killed Obamacare too and brought in a new golden age of insurance.

I can go on.

Ever notice how no one makes a fuss about music licensing residuals rising?

>>379625898
>voice actors deserve the residuals
no they don't. they can keep begging for it though. Nobody buys a game because of the voice actor.

>>379625573
>Employers legally cannot just tell whoever's striking to fuck off

Except they can in this case because these people aren't employees. These people are refusing to allow themselves to be hired for new projects, not refusing to work under contract.

>>379625536
The directors are almost always the biggest problem when it comes to dubs. They either don't get the character right or they flat out don't care at all and just tell them to read the lines and fuck off, like what treehouse did with Fates.

>>379625967
Music licensing has been fucked for so long that no one cares anymore. Alan Wake was removed from digital stores due to license expiring. GTA: San Andreas got patched to remove licensed music

It's amazing how consistently bad the threads around this topic have been.

>first i've even heard of this strike

shows just how irrelevant this nonsense is. there will always be good voice actors around regardless of their affiliation with the pipe-hitting members of the tribe known as SAG

>Mike Pollock and Nolan North apparently aren't in on it

>>379625605
>>repeating the same lines all day, everyday vs singers who perform for a few hour

You are enormously exaggerating their work load. Voice acting is mostly contract work, for the majority of them they only have to do one or two days a week at the absolute most. It doesn't even classify as part time. It's not all day every day unless you are working on The Simpsons, and then you are in a position to negotiate your pay, providing you actually have talent worth holding on to.

hola reddit.

>>379626343
Based NN blew them the fuck out at TGA in December.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b27iLcoPHTg

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>some of the most iconic games are voiced by devs, producers and friends/family because nobody could afford to hire a voice actor
>at best VA was a side job you did while actually acting or working a normal career
>profitable VAs were just actually talented people who could handle multiple roles
>now it's a "real" career and everyone in it is a cancerous whore

woooooooooooooooooooo

>>379624907
Rise was because she opted to do Gears of War 4 instead of DAN due to scheduling issues. That was the last game to feature Rise for the time being anyway

As for Lucina, that's probably due to the strike

>>379625930
>Putin and china begging
Haven't seen that at all.

>Paris Hoax
You mean he withdrew from a voluntary agreement in which each country sets its own metrics of success/failure and had zero global punishment if it wasn't met? meh.

>Obamacare killed
Well, that definitely didn't happen as the Senate hasn't done shit with it.

>>379625978
>Nobody buys a game because of the voice actor.
Tell that to Persona fans.

>>379619287
it's still going on? thought it ended a long time ago

>>379619287
those faggots make way more money for way less work than e.g. artists, animators and programmers make
fuck them, they should never find any work again

>>379624402
Her voice was fine in the game.

>>379626343
Nolan North likes his job. Why would he be on strike about it?

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>>379625536
Voice directors are usually pretty bad with that sort of stuff. One example would be when Richard Epcar was brought in to replace Billy Zane in Kingdom Hearts II. Epcar knew nothing about the series and the character. All he knew was that they hired him because he voiced Batou in Ghost in the Shell who was originally voiced by Akio Otsuka (the Japanese VA for Ansem). Epcar wasn't given anything for reference (neither Otsuka of Zane's performances), so all he had to go on was vague descriptions from the director. And this is coming from Kingdom Hearts, a series with generally strong performances (with some notable exceptions).

>>379625978
Most of the whining has an element of "I want to hear the unintelligible screeches of a Japanese girl who is marketed by a talent agency"

>>379626601
I haven't met a single person who said that they bought Persona 5 solely because of their voice actors. It has quite the cast I'm sure, but nobody in their right mind is buying it just for that.

>>379619287
>http://deadline.com/2017/06/sag-aftra-video-game-companies-ask-negotiations-resume-1202109751/

Sweet

>this will lead to another price hike in video games

fuck off

>Laura Baily voices minor waifu bait character in SMT4
>Said character has major role in sequel
>New less seductive voice.

Can't say this strike didn't hurt a little.

>>379619768
It's not even that, the ones that pertain to video games only and are part of this strike are the bottom feeders that either can't find any work at all or only get a measly amount. Nolan North, Charles Martinet, these guys aren't out of money whatsoever because they are working actual full weekly hours. Shitheads like Rina-chan and Ashley Burch are the ones trying to gain more money because they don't want to actually try finding other sources of income.

>japanese VAs
>rookies are dirt cheap
>popular/experienced are expensive

>western VAs
>everyone is paid the same amount of money for a job

Whiny, pampered voice actors complaining again.

Nothing new to see here, move along.

>>379626906
Video games are cheaper now than they have been historically. However, the average worker earns less than they did now than 30 years ago, so it's kind of fucked up.

>>379625501
They have been trying to get royalty fees since day one. Imagine being one of the extras that only does grunts and groans and shit, that guy is getting more pay for shit the devs could've done themselves.

>>379625978
Yes they fucking do. People buy games for the complete package that they have to offer. Voice acting just happens to be part of it, along with good art, programming, and developing.

Voice actors, artists, programmers, devs, and all other employees who do the bulk of the work deserve residuals and better pay. The only reason they don't is because these corporate fucks in charge at EA and Activision want to save some fucking money.

>>379625280
Not for VA work you mongoloid

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>>379624402
>Selecting the dub when you have access to the superior original voice acting

>>379627051
>Video games are cheaper now than they have been historically

You fuckers and your manipulation of definitions deserve the gas chamber.
>muh inflation
Breath deep you faggot.

>>379622461
The Summon Night 6 localization was done by GaijinWorks (formerly Working Designs) and are well known for fucking up pretty much everything they have done in some way or another.

It's worth looking them up if you want a laugh.

>entire dev team is getting paid 3 bucks an hour and doing never ending overtime
>meanwhile outside a voice actor rolls up to the building in his expensive car after a long hard 4 hour work day and starts screaming about how unfairly he is getting treated

So is VAG shilling here to increase public awareness or is this a general concern of /v/?

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>>379619287
>Strike is now on Day 231

Really? I haven't noticed at all.

>>379627221
Well if you want it in caveman terms that is fine too. SNES AAA games were 80 bucks anyway. Now you get them for 60.

>>379623231
Dude getting a job isn't even hard unless you're some ex-convict with a history. You can walk down to mcdonald's with an application and start earning slightly above minimum wage, and you don't even need a GED for that.

>>379626907
I thought that was scheduling thing

>>379623867
The only reason it's stuck around so long is because literally nobody cares about these hacks and they aren't getting attention, there will always be voice actors willing to work in place of these people striking, life goes on

>>379627326

Of course it's shilling.

The only people that care about voice actors around here are weebs and they don't give a shit about non-nip voice actors.

>>379627273
I'd be mad that they got the rights to SN but the series died after 4 anyway. 5 was barely passable and 6 is trash.

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ITT people try to act like complaining about shitty VA work in games hasn't existed since games first started getting voice work

>>379624402
Runka Chunk has been ugly a long ass time ago, but her 2B dub is probably the only role she's done that isn't just the same mock Princess Peach shit she always does.

>>379625930
Propagating some hard /pol/ memes there, anon.

>>379627083
People buy games because they are good. I've never heard anyone say "oh, this voice acting, simply sublime, you MUST buy the game!" It is a small fraction of what a game is. And so they get a small fraction of pay.

>>379627390
Fuck off, Redditor.

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>>379627410

Purse owner was the issue. I'm talking about this character

>>379620964
Eventually being solved by them finally adding the option to switch to japanese voices

>>379627083
>Yes they fucking do

Post some numbers, then. Surely there's data to back up your claim?

>>379627390
>SNES AAA games were 80 bucks anyway. Now you get them for 60.

The level of arrogance here is amazing
>muh inflation
economics 101 and nothing further

Also nice shilling

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>>379627597

>>379619287
I didn't even realize this was a thing still. Games still have VAs and many new VAs are capable of ranging enough to not only take the place of older, more entitled ones, but push their own brand out as well.

Literally nothing of value is lost in this strike.

VAs definitely do not deserve residuals.

Employees get paid based off of how much value they add to the product and nothing more.

There is not a single person on the planet that is irreplaceable.

>>379627697
>canadian dollary-doos

>>379627273
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVrFBWT3gFM

I shouldn't be enjoying this. I'm getting old PS1 RPG vibes from this.

>>379623060
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1CyWzztZQOy

>I buy games solely based on voice acting
Said nobody

>>379627623
>Have incompetent QT voiced by Bailey
>turn her into a slightly more competent whore with a shit voice and character
It hurts man.
Granted was Navarre's voice actor on strike then too? His VA got replaced too.

imagine if the coders unionized
publishers would go full WalMart and shut them down

>>379626345
[citation needed]

>>379627787
>if I ignore this evidence I don't have to say I was wrong!!!

>>379626486
>some of the most iconic games are voiced by devs, producers and friends/family because nobody could afford to hire a voice actor
show me a list

>>379627884
I pirate games based on voice acting, difference.

>>379627889

His voice was changed? Sounded like the same voice run through a filter.

Can't wait for the return of PS1 era voice acting.

>>379627972
>ignore the evidence

Except I acknowledged your evidence
>Canadian dollary-doos
Learn how to argue kid

>>379628070
Sean Chiplock instead of Liam O Brien.
Voice is more softer but not much of a change in contrast to Nozomi. Hell sort of comparable to Kanji and P4.

>>379623060
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1qAd7lxHUR2

>>379628086
>Can't wait for the return of PS1 era voice acting.
Just do away with voice acting in general.
It promotes the "cinematic experience" meme.

>>379627346
Literally nobody cares about it. There's maybe a handful of VA's people can name off the top of their head at best, and that's mostly because they're in everything or do more than just VA work

I'd bet money that this just quietly putters out from lack of anyone giving a shit.

>>379628086
Without all the money grubbing voice actors, maybe budget will go to stuff to actually improve the game

daily reminer that the only one at fault for programmers having to work under shitty conditions for low pay are programmers and their lack of sticking up for each other.

>>379624738
I work with my hands for a living. Most likely I will need carpal tunnel surgery in my lifetime, at which point I will probably no longer be able to work as I am right now. You could argue that any career has physical risks. Even sitting all day can raise the likelihood for blood clots and herniated disks. I'm not going to demand more than my fair share of the pie though. I know the risks, as should anyone with their respected trades/career.

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>>379623060
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0krzrS5jvq6

>>379624198
If the voice director is good enough and devs can follow streamlined directions and don't have anxiety problems it would be a viable solution. Most VAs are on par with e-celebs these days, you only require professionals for classical stuff with strict tone and musicality.

>>379628086
The voice acting in Breath of the Wild was abysmal, still a stellar game. Funny how that works out.

>>379628301

Honestly had no clue it was the same as Akihiko in SMT4. Man's got range.

About about "Walter" and Jonathon". "Walter" sounded the same but "Jonathon was a bit off.

>>379627896
Funny thing is that no union exists for software engineers despite the field being way more important and laborious than fucking voice acting.

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Voice actors don't deserve residuals. Laura Bailey and the rest of those self-important assholes and go on strike for the rest of their lives for all I care.

>another 200 post thread about the VA strike

Let me guess, this thread is full of
>people who think the strike affects more than western AAA games
>people who think voice acting is as simple as talking into a mic for a few hours
>"b-but the game devs" whataboutism

Was I close?

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>>379628471

>>379628471
Do you take requests?

>>379628601
Get off 4chan, Troy Baker

>>379627787
>>379628116

those are Austrailian buckeroos

>>379628618
No, he reposts old vocaroos.

>>379627638
How much would you enjoy the original Metal Gear Solid if all the dialogue was just text and had no recorded voice acting at all, faggot?

>>379628601

Yet no one can objectively state the importance of VAs.
So why should I care?

95% of games have fucking terrible VA anyway though?

>>379628686
Thanks I almost forgot one

>everyone who disagrees with me is Baker/North/Hayter

>>379628791
>How much would you enjoy the original Metal Gear if all the dialogue was just text and had no recorded voice acting at all

except the original metal gear was all text

>>379628791
That's not the argument, dipshit.

>>379628998
you know what he meant faggot

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>it's another "VAG Shill Backfiring" thread

>>379628539
Seems like same guy for Jon, maybe he phoned it in or something.
Merkabar and Lucifer's VAs did seem to change or atleast a different filter

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>>379619287
why would these companies waste their money hiring these retards? if i hear any e-celeb in my games, it breaks immersion. anyone who is so good at voice acting would never join a shitty union, they would charge big bucks for their voice.

>>379628471
Do the navy seal meme

>>379628791
It would be just fine. Had the story changed? The music or gameplay? It would still be a classic. Sorry, David, your contributions to MGS did not revolutionize it in any way.

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>>379627582
When Grand Theft Auto V came out, one of the biggest reasons why it was praised was Steve Ogg's performance as Trevor Phillips. Your argument is invalid.

>>379619287
Has anyone told them yet that games would be better off without that cringey shit, and that if they stopped doing VA altogether nothing of value will be lost? Maybe this is one of those rare moments where corporate greed can be used for good; let the bean-counters know that the players would prefer it if there were no voices outside generic grunts and yells of action.

>>379628953
But North isn't doing it seemingly, unless you know Mr Baker?

>>379628998
>implying anyone fucking played the original Metal Gear.

Voice actors are the laziest most apathetic pieces of shit in the industry. All this strike will do is increase the cost of making games and decrease the quality of voice acting.

Props to Fromsoft for cutting these over compensated bums out of their games and using theater actors, who are both cheaper and better at voice work.

Fuck voice actors and fuck the union

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Is it illegal for me to scab on them?
I don't know how this union shit works.

>>379629204
>When Grand Theft Auto V came out, one of the biggest reasons why it was praised was Steve Ogg's performance as Trevor Phillips

Except GTA has always done so many things right lumping VA performance into the mix and claiming it as important is disingenuous and a slap-to-the-face of everyone else who worked on the project.

>>379624861
and who gives a shit about dub actors?
99% of them is trash so why would it be worth it to check it out every time to find that 1%?

Friendly reminder that unions are anti competitive and designed solely to keep younger talent unemployed

>>379619287
This shit happened in Texas. You know what happened? Everyone lost their job and all the work went to Louisiana.

>>379628791

A lot. I legitimately enjoy playing Metal Gear Solid. Sorry to hear that you can't bring yourself to like a video game if you're not watching cut scenes every 5 seconds.

I mean look at Player Unknown's Battlegrounds - it's made a huge amount of money in a small amount of time. It has minimal voice acting, yet a lot of people seem to be enjoying it.

Your logic does not hold up in the face of reality.

>>379623875
IMO Kingdom Hearts is not a perfect example of good voice acting, only the first one and a bit of the second were somewhat charming (to my adult self some lines are cringy af).

I think it has more to do with the stiff lines they are given (localization should make lines less awkward with no repetitions), and a somewhat stilted direction which means there is less chance for improvising.

Then there's cases like Aqua and her inability to properly utter words. Needless to say, seiyuus are given far better direction and lines, so their performance trumps the American colleagues'.

>>379629332
99% of voice actors come from a theater background you fucking clown.

>>379629471
heh heh. good goy. unions just want their dues! let us corporations decide what's best for our workers.

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>increase the price of video games
no thanks senpai

>>379629376

Except GTA has been literal dogshit since SA

Only good game cockstar has made in the last decade is RDR, and the guy who played John Marston isn't even a voice actor

>>379629373
Scabbing isn't illegal for private jobs. It will make you a controversial person amongst the voice acting community.

>>379629585
>if they were a stagehand in their high school's performance of rochelle rochelle they have a theater background

>>379629204

Steven Ogg is also a proper actor. Not someone trying to make a living on VA work.

>>379619287
If I never have to hear Steve Blum's horrible voice ever again I will be so happy.

>>379629585

[citation needed]

Also I meant professional fucking theater actors you absolute slobbering retard, not middle class white trash with a micky mouse degree from the university of gofuckyourself

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>>379629706
>Except GTA has been literal dogshit since SA
Glad your opinion is that of the minority

>>379629376
>claiming VA performance as important is disingenuous and a slap-to-the-face of everyone else who worked on the project.
No it fucking isn't. It's just simply acknowledging how good the performance is and how much it heightens the experience of the game. Where the fuck did you get this logic?

>thanks to unions I can't get a job
>to join the union I would need a credit in any media
>can't get it cause only unions are allowed to have jobs and any non union jobs doesn't count
Thanks unions

>>379628029
Conker's Bad Fur Day's voices we're all done by the Devs.

>>379629591

Let the free market decide what's best you fetal alcohol syndrome socialist trash

>>379626783
I thought Ansem was Phil Lamarr?

>>379619287
oh wow maybe i can hear more than 3 people do "different" voices for once. I mean really I don't give a shit about voice actors everyone has a fucking voice its not that hard to read lines.

>>379629785
scabbing can result in the union black listing you

>>379629930
Nice English skills champ

>>379629923

Good thing the majority is almost always wrong

>>379624402
I know her in person. He's actually a genuinely great person. Get over yourself.

>>379629204
>Biggest reason

Who ever said this?

>>379629785
How much would I even be able to make from it anyways?
I need to put food on the table whereas David Hayter probably has a few million saved up.

>>379629932
american unions are fucked, over here all you have to do is phone them up and you're in

>>379630109
You don't sound bitter or irrational.

>claim people don't buy games to hear certain VAs
>people say they only bought Yooka Layle for Johntron voice

>>379629930
>he actual puts the voice acting above the programming

jesus christ shill harder

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>>379628953
North isn't involved and actually thinks a VAs contribution to a game isn't as major as a programmer or designer.

I know, right.

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>>379629332
>tfw enjoyed AC4A's VAs and they were union western hacks

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>>379619287
I hope it never happens. Royalties for voice acting? Are you shitting me? No. They already get paid so much that half a budget goes to them, specially shitters like Troy Baker. Money needs to go to the game development, not the wanna be hollywood voice actors.

>>379629204
>Thinking GTA V wouldn't be successful without Trevor.

GTA V would've been praised with or without Trevor. Rockstar knows that the single player isn't worth investing in a lot in after shark cards happened anyway.

>>379630391
>>379629252
Those are just the only VAs /v/ knows about so that's who they'll accuse you of being when you say something they disagree with. Happened plenty of times in the dozens of other threads on this topic.

>>379630391
yes, but isn't he part of the union? I'm willing to bet he's on strike as well not to be blacklisted.

>>379630376
No I fucking don't you stupid faggot.

>>379630112
Yeah, yeah Kyle.

How much more money would you pay for a video game knowing that the voice actors are compensated fairly? A buck? Five?

Refresh me on this, is this the one where they want unions to give them giant pay raises with every gig?

>>379630675
>No I fucking don't

Shill harder.

>get hired for VA
>say only one line
>gets royalties for the rest of my life while the programmer scum have to beg for scraps
feels good

>>379630730
Zero. Those fuckers make enough cash as it is.

>>379630537
But no one ever accuses people of being North after hearing that speech, Baker that's true.

>>379630730
>How much more money would you pay for a video game knowing that the voice actors are compensated fairly?

Not a dime until everyone involved w/video games is compensated fairly.

>>379630730
>How much more money would you pay for a video game knowing that the voice actors are compensated fairly

They're already compensated fairly.

>>379619287
Good, just cast regular people instead of having to pay for these union hacks.

>voice actors go on strike
>quality of dubs improve
HMMMMMMMMMMMMM????

>no long hours
>as many breaks as I desire
>free food in the studio's
>already get paid a high wage
Must be nice being a VA

>>379631172
Oh please, do you know how hard it is living on 70k a year?

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>not wanting quality voice actors in your video games
You're contributing to the 2nd video game crash.
Remember this when your hobby is tits-up in the coming years.

>>379631074
name one game released within 231 days that has good dubs

>>379630907
>implying anyone with a strong opinion on the subject bothers with research

Just look at how many people still bring up Japanese games as if they're at all affected by the strike.

>>379631259
i'm surviving living on 40k a year

>>379631274
this industry could use another crash

>>379631296
Fire Emblem Echoes

>>379631274
This has nothing to do with the quality of voice overs. A bum off the street can do as good of a job as these over-entitled fucks can.

>>379619287
Voice acting in games is in the lowest bar in the scale of importancy. I really don't give a fuck. They are not underpaid, they are not 16 hours a day trying to figure out why the main character is walking on the ceiling in this significant section of the game. They don't have a deadline on their back because the men in the suit wants the product ready to ship tomorrow. Go fuck those commies who thinks the world orbits around then, WE DON'T NEED YOU.

>>379631296

Dark souls 3

>>379631274
Many people would like quality voice acting in their video games, which is precisely why they don't want most of these chucklefucks doing the voice work.

Go fucking figure.

>>379619287
I've been told I have a good voice, and I'm willing to be a scab
How do I get started?

>>379631408
this

devs are just doing mobile trash nowadays anyway

>>379631259
Literally not hard in any way, shape or form.

>>379631274
Because the 1st videogame crash happened due to poor voice acting? If that was the case then the first couple of years of the playstation would've killed the entire industry.

I mean, terrible voice acting completely killed peoples interest in Resident Evil and Symphony of the Night which is why we don't talk about them today.

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>>379619287
>residuals
>for any kind of AAA creative work
good fucking luck

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>>379627543
>Runka Chunk

>>379631274
people want quality VAs, not these garbage VAs who are on strike

>>379631274
>not wanting quality voice actors

Call me crazy, but I'd like to get quality games before anything else.

Voice actors require more respect and pay, as it is a fairly difficult job, moreso than just being "talking into a mic".
On the other hand, at times some voice actors seem to put in as much effort as the previously mentioned strawman, and we could do without them.
As people have mentioned, many video games don't need voice acting, but I believe that some can definitely benefit from it. Games with an absurd amount of dialogue, such as the MGS series, benefited from voice actors as to make the text dumps more tolerable. It goes by a case-by-case basis, but what can't be argued is that bad voice acting is worse than no voice acting. Hopefully this incident will allow the quality voice actors to obtain more pay, while causing the low-quality voice actors to leave and either get more practice or just find another career choice altogether.

>>379631554
Have a successful youtube channel.

>>379631259
if you're struggling to survive at 70k a year
then you're fucking up

>>379631528
Nigga, he said dub. Not english original release

>>379630028
I didn't realize I wanted Phil Lamarr in a Kingdom Hearts game until now.

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I completely forgot this was going on. Is that a sign that their protest has accomplished absolutely nothing?

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>sacrifice paycheck to other VAs for twin snakes
>demand more money for VAing by going on strike
>be out of a job

JUST

>>379631259
I know you're baiting but I'm living on <20k in australia and I'm doing just fine

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>voice acting is a genuine rare skill
>coding is something learned at a community college that a paraplegic could master

Gee I wonder why voice actors are paid more.

>>379626783
Shame. Billy Zane could probably use the money

>>379631737
respect is earned not demanded, i can only respect a good VA with a good voice like elias toufexis

>>379619287
huh? they're still on strike? I didn't realise

>>379631801
Since the companies were "inviting them back to the table", you can safely assume that fuck-all has happened since the last time this was a thing.

231 days ago.

These babbies wouldn't even be able to do a nip VA work schedule

>>379624402
>dub

>>379630028
I'm pretty sure that every black guy in a video game is played by Phil Lamarr. That's like one of the rules.

>>379631851
Unless you got the shit end of the stick on your voice, VA can be trained. Not ground to argue with.

>>379631851
>voice acting is a genuine rare skill
Then why are voice actors almost always atrocious?
>coding is something learned at community college that a paraplegic could master
There's a world of difference between a code monkey and an actual programmer.

>>379625930
>If I just lie on the internet, who's going to doubt me?

>>379632181
>VA can be trained. Not ground to argue with.

Can't claim there's no ground to argue with when you didn't prove VAs can be trained.

>>379625694
Anecdotal, but I didn't pick up CF specifically because it didn't have a dub. I liked the english voicework.

I also didn't pick up Rev or Rev2, but that's because I lost interest in fightans.

where do I apply

>>379632274
Voice acting is a sub of traditional acting. Traditional acting is trained. Voices can be trained, much like singers can be trained.

Your argument has no value.

>>379631775
Fuck me, checked now, can't believe Ansem wasn't actually him. Nigga literally sounded like a white haired Vamp.

>>379631737
>Voice actors require more respect and pay, as it is a fairly difficult job, moreso than just being "talking into a mic".

No. That same statement could be applied to any role in game development. The only reason the voice actors strike has any grounds to stand on is because the importance of their role is the most immediately obvious one to the player.

Professional voice actors are probably the most well off members of production and well as being by far the most well-treated, they don't need anymore than they get already.

>>379631851
>voice acting is a genuine rare skill
No it's not. Unless you have a literal vocal disability you can train your voice with less effort and time than it takes to learn how to code at a professional level from having literally zero skill.

Having a good vocal range is arguable, but that's barely even relevant considering nobody gets hired for vocal range, they get hired to do their most iconic voice.

>>379624402
Her horrible appearance and fandom doesn't harm her voice

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>>379632261
>implying he's imp-lying

>Meanwhile the company with the idea to market a triple A game with a dude who is holding a rifle and a cheesy 80s bmovie catchphrase earn millions
All the vidya moneys go to the marketing jew nowadays.

>>379627635
>japanese
German. Nigger, get on my level.

>>379632484
Unless you're an expert you need to back up these claims since you're stating them as fact rather than opinion.
>Your argument holds no value
Says the amateur.

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>caring about western VA

>>379632274
Our best voice actors are our actual actors? What more proof do you even need?

In Japan if you want to be a voice actor you actually need to go to school otherwise nobody will even take you seriously

>>379627127
>pretending to understand japanese
ayy

>>379632521
>You can train your voice with less effort and time than it takes to learn how to code at a professional level from having literally zero skill.
>Having a good vocal range is arguable

The bias is strong.