What is Nintendo waiting to start its own league rather than

>>379612109
can you explain the difference between frighting and fighting please

Smash confirmed?

>>379612109
>Smash (2D fighting)
LMAO

>>379612109
>Smash
>Arms
>fighting games

lmao

>>379612628
>>379612702
silly me, I forgot that if the games are not SF clones they are not fighting games

>>379612109
>Mario Kart
>competitive
lol. No coins no items final destination?

So clearly the fourth spot could go to any kind of competitive game. Smash seems likely, but I would be more excited if it were a new game in a different genre, since there are already two fighting games there.

I completely agree with OP. If Baseball and Basketball are allowed to have Little Leagues video games should be allowed too. Who says children can't be competitive?

Pokken is already in the Pokemon world tournament. In August. With cash prices and scholarship money

>>379612109

It's Nintendo vs Capcom.

It's going to be a MOBA. Nintendo already has the usual esport genres (team based shooting and 2D/3D fighters) so they're just missing the biggest one. I also expect a racing league game (preferably F-Zero) and a sports game (hopefully Mario Strikers 3).

>>379613589
Seems kinda late to get in the moba game

>>379613589
>Pikmin World is a competitive moba like

Please no

I want Smash to be included just so Sakurai can get BTFO.
>>379613589
Another reason it's going to be a MOBA is that it'll give Nintendo the perfect excuse to do another long running amiibo series now that the Smash line is about to be done.

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I hope in some contorted universe it's Smash 5, which basically evolves off of Melee's movement options and match pacing with a bit of Smash 4's user-friendliness (input buffer, no L-cancelling with landing lag innately low, ledge trumping but obviously without the magnet hands and busted recoveries)

>>379614059
Maybe it's a ccg with leaders that can be amiibo'd

Well ther's also pokemon sun/moon

>>379614954
Not on Switch

>>379612109
>(3D frighting)
Competitive horror games when?

>>379614268
I'd rather they get rid of the sumo gameplay all together

fuck uniqueness

Nintendo moba with characters spanking from several different franchises.

Mario will be an all rounder melee
Peach will be full support with many cc.
Bowser a front line tank
Link either a melee carry or bruiser.
DK would be a tank you jungle.
Diddy a range Adc with peanut guns.


Honestly it could work.

>>379612109
Smash is a fighting game fine.

But arms? No fuck no. All you do in that game is punch forward or punch kinda sideways jumping around never hitting your opponent.

>>379615485
>nobody should like games i'm bad at!

I, to this day, still do not know what a MOBA is nor have I ever seen any gameplay from one.

>>379613719
Eh, not really if it's Nintendo.

>>379615586
Go back to grade 5 and learn reading comprehension dude.

Please quote my post where I said nobody should like it.

>>379615714
HotS was already too late to get big. I'm not saying Nintendo wouldn't try, but it would be a bad idea

>>379612109
Literally all babies games with low skill ceiling. All just to make casual feel good about their garbage ''skills''

>>379615485
Sounds a whole lot like fighting you described there.

>>379615475
>Moba
>no mouse and Kb
how

>>379615485
You can block and grab as well

Only think missing is no kicking I guess?

>>379616206
Maybe it's a 3rd person moba with gyro aiming?

>>379616329
dont even get close to that pandoras box, please

>>379616206
Smite exists

Fourth slot is obviously Pokemon, already the biggest competitive community of any Nintendo game.

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>>379612475
frighting games use monsters

>>379615896
Pokken is litteraly tekken with Pokemon skin made by bandai

>>379615475
They already have Smash for the crossover and I'm willing to bet my ass that Mario Kart is going to be overhauled into a full Nintendo Kart. No sense in doing yet another full crossover franchise when they can do a new IP and exploit that.

>>379616206
it could use motion controls as a pointer like World of Goo does on the Switch

>>379612628
xD

>>379616448
This is just Switch stuff

>>379612109
If they start their own league, they can sucker in casuals and build a large enough audience that they'll get added to EVO and stuff like that.

Also, something tells me an in house league would make Ninty a lot more yen than EVO would.

>>379616482
No its not. Dumbed down game for babies can't compete with a game like Tekken.

Is there Korean Back Dash in Pokken? Probably not.

>>379616482
You obviously know nothing about either Pokken or Tekken, for starters Tekken has no Phase Shift mechanic.

>>379612109
Mario Kart was never meant to be competitive. Like at all.

>>379616376
Sakurai here. I thinks it's a really good idea!

>>379616573
Oh, right, sorry.

>>379612109
Not everyone like shit ass games.

>>379613321
>vanilla version
>TPCi's pokken ""support""

ew

>>379616776
Nobody likes you.

>>379616849
Man you really showed them I bet you feel accomplished now.

>competitive Mario Kart
ehhhhh

>>379615821
HotS is in a platform that already has the biggest games in the genre and popular alternatives. A Nintendo MOBA wouldn't have any competition on the Switch.

>>379612109
I wouldn't mind another NWC

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>>379617204
But nobody in Japan would buy it

>>379612109
>No Melee

Will this upset the melee playerbase?

>>379617361
Just add squids and fe characters

>>379617457
Literally what does Nintendo have to gain by permitting Melee?

>>379617361
Not everything Nintendo does if for the Japanese audience, Zelda for example is not nearly as popular in Japan as it is in the west.

How the hell is Nintendo going to handle an esport league with their usual piss poor online communication features?

>>379617607
Zelda's still popular in Japan, even if America likes it more. The Japs straight up don't care about mobas

>>379617519
Not angering a few autists.

https://twitter.com/NintendoVS/status/873240437934260224

MatPat and Justin Wong got invited to Pokken tournament. I really hope Mat gets destroyed.

>>379617361
Japan doesn't buy shooters yet turned out for Splatoon.

>>379616482
as someone who has played both, there is almost nothing similar to them whatsoever

>>379617814
Japan has been buying CoD and ubishit shooters for a while now.

>>379617457
Probably because they're perpetually upset anyway and constantly clamoring for their support despite claiming they're "grassroots" and don't need Nintendo anyway.

>>379616070
>>379616248
Fighting =/= fighting game retards.

I guess next time I'm in a street fight irl I should hadoken or fireball the guy.

>>379618362
Like, it's fine to use your own highly specific definition, bro, just don't assume that everyone else is going to indulge your autism

>>379618362
This. They shouldn't be called fighting games. They should be called something else.

>>379612109
Pokken looks so fun, man. Fighting games always seem like such a time investment before you get to that fun though.

>>379618692
They're widely referred to as platform fighters.

>>379618692
Smash is platform fighter and ARMS/Pokken are arena fighters.

>>379618786
Pokken has relatively simple inputs, only some combos are a bit difficult to pull out.
And some characters like Gengar and Gardevoir are also a bit complicated.

>>379618362
How'd I know you would be a capcbro?

>>379616482

>literally tekken

your neck needs to meet a noose

>>379618867
you are so autist is not even real

>>379612628
>>379612702
What did he mean by this?

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>>379616482
>Pokken is litteraly tekken

>>379618791
>>379618867
No. Street Fighter is not a fighting game because it has magic or "ki" in it. Only games where there's actual fighting should be called a fighting game desu

>>379618786
pokken is honestly one of the easiest fighting games to get into, once you have a grasp at the mechanics and learn how to use a character, you only improve from there on.

>>379619432
>Street Fighter is not a fighting game
What? There are 2 characters. They fight each other. It basically defined the fighting game genre.

I suppose cowadoody isn't an FPS because tactical nukes show up every 5 minutes and you can walk on top of a first aid kit and instantly have no bullet holes and you can be shot half to death and still walk fine?

>>379612109
who wants to watch a bunch of autistic smelly lards and pedos playing child games?

>>379616206
Smite is on the Xbox afaik.

A Pokémon moba would do well if done right.

>>379612109
Does Nintendo actually do... anything?

Like, does the company even believe in the concept of a community? As far as I can tell their entire model is "Here's game, fuck you"

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Justin Wong got invited again this year.

Is he gonna molest another loli?

>>379620142
How did he get away with this?

>>379620129
I personally don't see this as a bad thing. However bad the WiiU fucked up, at least Ninty seems to remember that the purpose of a vidya company is to make fucking video games.

>>379620129
Do other companies create communities? how? I'm genuinely curious.
I'm honestly just not interested in that, I just play games.

>>379620142
Is this guy legit?

>>379620572
Blizzard, Valve and most fighting game devs dump millions of dollars as prize money for tournaments.

>>379620615
As legit as Dan Schneider

>>379620651
I'll just google then, jeez...

>>379620642
Nintendo has done that too.

>>379620642
Their companies are built around e-sports and making money over time through continued transactions. Nintendo's business model is completely different, but not inherently worse

>>379617747
>Justin Wong gets to show off Weavile once more
No lie, last time his Weavile was pretty good, even if he didn't take full advantage of the moveset it had. Then again that was back when the game wasn't even in Arcades yet so no one knew diddly shit.

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>>379620129
>Like, does the company even believe in the concept of a community?

Absolutely not

All of the industry standards that arrived and evolved in the last 15 years in regards to online, literally every conceivable angle of it, have been piss poor. They don't value or respect it, and there's no way a company with their reach or funds "don't get it". They DO get it, they've had the means to research it, they just don't care

the one thing i'll concede is that they were pretty smart with Nintendo Directs and their non-stop treehouse livestreaming during E3. It seems they set a trend with that, and its oddly forward thinking for a company who seemingly goes actively regressive

Pokken has potential, Mario Kart will never be taken seriously, Smash will be taken seriously by their niche who is extremely divided, and Splatoon/ARMS are complete jokes.

>>379620920
>Splatoon/ARMS are complete jokes
Explain, especially how you think Pokken has potential when ARMS does not

>>379620875
The only reason a company cares about "supporting a community" is because it means they can pick up microtransactions for longer. I'm perfectly fine with any company not doing that.

>>379612837
>Blazblue
>Guilty Gear
>Killer Instinct
>Mortal Kombat
>Injustice
>SF clones
Found the butthurt Smashkiddie.

>>379614268
>input buffer is a good thing

How is adding extra lag to a fighting game a good thing?

>>379621337
I think you and I have a different understanding of what an input buffer is.

>>379620875
It's a Japanese company. Their online latency makes basic online look great.

>>379621453
Yeah me too:

https://youtu.be/iSgA_nK_w3A

>>379621079
What's wrong with people buying cosmetics?

>>379621757
Gameplay ultimately becomes designed around whatever makes the company money.

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>>379617457
I'm sure all 5 people who still play Melee and their small cult of stinky, sycophantic fans will be very upset.

>>379621010
I could just stop at saying "It doesn't play like a fighting game" and thus it will never be taken seriously as a fighting game. But lets dive into specifics.

>Motion controls give you extra functionality at the cost of precision
No one wants to have to make that decisions to flail around like an idiot and work with accidentally doing things you didn't mean to because it's technically capable of more than the controller is.
>Everything is about the ARMS
I bet you anything 1 character will dominate above the rest because all that makes a character what they are is their 1 special ability, and one is going to be better for the meta than all the others. The ARMS also is a fuckin terrible idea because they scale and level up due to singleplayer meaning unless all characters are maxed out, competition is impossible. They shoulda had the character's signature arms be their only ARMS adding more upsides and downsides to the characters themselves. This kills both interest and competition.
>Heavy focus on stages
Complete garbage idea when 1 playstyle is going to dominate on say the skatepark while others will be completely wrecked there.

>>379619918
>A Pokémon moba would do well if done right.

That's the issue anon, Pokémon is handled by two of the most retarded companies on the industry when it comes to satisfy the traditional "gamer" (TPCi and Nintendo).

It wouldn't be done right under any circumstance.

>>379621969
>I bet
Just stop man. You are attacking the game before it even comes out. Your'e also assuming Nintendo won't release balance patches when they did so for Splatoon and for Smash 4.

I'm not saying ARMS is going to be great but let's get some real data not just cynical-narcissist speculating about how shit it's going to be.

>>379621592
Reducing
skill requirements isn't the same as adding lag.

>>379621837
Not really. Care to cite examples?

>>379621923
Why does ProJared have such a "punch me" face?

>>379622318
Overwatch is built entirely around it at this point, and it's terrible

>>379615475
Little did we know the Mario + Rabbids game has an online component that makes it the most balanced MOBA in history

>>379620875
I just want some examples of what other companies do to "supports a community" that Nintendo doesn't cause I still don't get what you're talking about.

>>379621969
>Heavy focus on stages
>Complete garbage idea when 1 playstyle is going to dominate on say the skatepark while others will be completely wrecked there.
Not that other guy, since I completely agree with you an all other points, but what's wrong with this?

>>379622192
Did you even bother to watch the video? If you had, you wouldn't be making this stupid statement.

>>379622503
Is it? I couldn't play OW for more than a couple hours. I didn't get this vibe from it.

That said, Team Fortress, All fighting games, and LoL have this business model, and the core gameplay is balanced regardless of microtransactions

>>379621969
They only level up once. Then you never get that arm again. Do more research senpai

>>379622739
What the fuck are you talking about? I said an input buffer doesn't create input lag. The fact that SFV is marred by both an input buffer and input lag doesn't have anything to do with that. An idealistic input buffer results in the move coming out as soon as possible. Whether that's bad for the game or not has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.

>>379618001
Said the white pigguu

>>379621969
> 1 special ability
Stopped reading

>>379623082
However many frames you add as a buffer create that many frames of delay in order to create that buffer in the first place.

It's like you don't even know how this shit works.

>>379619701
Street Fighter is a mystic brawler.

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>>379612109
>Mario Kart competitive racing

>>379623378
Maybe that's how Street Fighter does it, but it doesn't have to be designed that way. Having a move come out as soon as it's input, and, having a move that is input during another animation come out as soon as the previous animation has finished or can be cancelled, AKA as soon as possible, is an input buffer. A game being able to buffer your inputs for a few frames shouldn't mean it has to buffer them even when nothing is preventing the move from coming out and cause the move to come out later.

>>379623550
Brawlers are 4+ player FFAs.

>>379623707
No, it does. You clearly know fuck all about programming and how fighting games are programmed.

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I want a competitive Mario Party

>>379623338
Oh right, a couple of them have 2. My bad.

They opened up a Twitter account, NintendoVersus, to keep people in the know about competitions involving Nintendo games. Doesnt seem far off.
Remember, the reveal Switch trailer had Splatoon in a stadium

>>379616667
>Korean Back Dash
Quit naming glitches like they're things.

>>379623832
Then explain to me why it's impossible to program an input to be held for as long as it takes to go through in a range of say 1-10 frames? What does how FIGHTING games are programmed have to do with it, specifically? If it's a unique problem to fighting games then program it differently.

>>379624151
>glitch
Sorry, but Sakurai wasn't involved in the development.

>>379616439
Does it?

>>379623708
Anything more than 1v1 is a brawler.

>>379624453
Not really. MvC and TTT are fighting games.

>>379624248
He doesn't know what he's talking about nearly all modern fighting games have some sort of input buffer, I don't know how this argument got this far but I feel bad for you now, you clearly put some effort into arguing someone who just can't accept he's wrong at any point.

>>379624962
Stop replying to yourself.

>>379624612
I don't believe either of those have any more than one active fighter on either side at a time.

>>379625340
Let me start first.
>>379624962
You're the best person in the world and you're always right.

>>379621154
He's not wrong.

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>>379621154
>Blazblue
>Guilty Gear
>Killer Instinct
>Mortal Kombat
>Injustice
>fighting games

>>379626248
>>379626424
Make up your mind. If you're gonna shitposting, at least have a consistent narrative.

>>379626643
>/v/ is one person

>>379626767
No, /v/ is two, you and me.

>>379626838
>I'm one person

>>379612109
>Mario Kart (Racing)
You know, one thing they could do with F-Zero is promote the e-sports aspect of it, since F-Zero was much more hardcore than Mario Kart.

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>>379626946
Why did I laugh

>>379627676
>Nintendo
>king of the blue ocean
>giving a single fuck about the hardcore/competitive gaming

Melee was a fluke, and F-Zero GX was developed by SEGA.

Nah, they're just gonna pretend to care about that shit while pushing their children's party games to idiots who still have any faith in them.

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>>379612109