Turn based RPGs

>>379610092
Legend of Dragoon

>>379610515
Honestly it's one of the worst systems of this kind i've ever seen. It's like an entire combat system was built around a downgraded version of gunblade/renzokuken/gf boost mechanics from FF8.

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>>379610092
Persona 5, hands down.

Chrono Trigger or Suikoden

>>379610092
SMT IV Apocalypse.

>>379610092
Either SMT Nocturne or Dragon Quest III

>>379610092
No joke, I literally started this game yesterday (now at the part where Sin RAPES the shit out of the Crusaders), and honestly this game's turn based system is fun as fuck. And this is coming from someone who doesn't normally enjoy turn based combat.

>>379612243
A lot of the joy comes from the speed of it. You can just mash attack before the character is fully switched out and the guy will respond immediately. It kinda feels like how a good shooter feels, just somehow really responsive.

>>379612874
Ok, I finished I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, XII, and XV, and out of all of those, in terms of gameplay only, I found XII the most fun. Most of the others had mediocre to great stories, but were absolute chores to play.

Really enjoying X so far, and I agree with you -- it really does feel responsive and the fast-paced nature of it doesn't make it feel monotonous.

Is this normal?

shit thread

>>379613442
I'm not familiar with that one, what system is it on?

>>379613141
I never played XII and am waiting for the remaster, getting kinda hype. The trailer they released the other day makes the story look really good.

>>379610092
Shadow hearts only for the built in timing system adding extra depth. It has its flaws otherwise.

>>379610515
Same. I loved the addition system.
>>379610727
Fuck you.

>>379613792
>The trailer they released the other day makes the story look really good.
Don't get too excited
>>379613141
the characters actually respond faster as you level up their speed. Meaning late game they are lighting fast, not merely with attacking, but their literal running across the field and casting animations increase in speed.

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>What's your favorite turn based RPG?

>>379615052
that bitches don got no right arm

Nocturne

Its the most fun system to abuse

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>>379610813
Interesting, I thought it was way too easy and unbalanced

>>379610092
>Rock, paper, scissors battle system
>Good

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Almost perfect gameplay all around, if not for two oversights, Scarlet Grace has grown on me but magic being oversimplified compared to other entries makes it inferior despite having a more polished weapon system.

>>379615752
That photo is absolutely adorable.

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>>379610092
best jrpg combat system

also best lead character
also Millenia

>>379610092
>I really liked the elemental system with ice vs fire and water vs thunder being strong against each other.
what, it's fucking nothing

>>379613141
I've played I, II, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX, X, X-2, XII and in gameplay only I think XII is in the bottom three.

>>379613141

that's odd because i get so bored playing XII that i become physically noxious while playing it, same thing happens when i tried playing the witched 2 and 3... doesn't happen with other games..

>>379617258
That's because it's an unfinished offline MMO where the core mechanics are just dumbed down from XI.
Doesn't help that the story is horrifically boring due to pacing and Vaan is a terrible main character.

>>379617258
>>379617323
Really? How about the older FF games? Because I thought those were boring as fuck. I like FFXII since you can outright avoid battles, speed it up, make a gambit system do everything for you.

But I also like FFX's since it is one of the most engaging combat systems in the entire series.

>>379617858
>Rock paper scissors
>Engaging
X's battle system only really shines during a handful of bosses like Sinspawn Gui or the Seymour fights.

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Dragon Quest VIII

Chrono Trigger and Suikoden II come a close second.

>>379610092

FFX has a better system than most FF games. But it's still pretty bare bones. The gameplay in FFX basically comes down to a game of rock paper scissors. Every enemy basically fits into three categories. Ground based, flying or armored. And each character in your party is made to deal with them. Tidus is great at killing ground enemies quickly, but misses a lot when trying to hit flying enemies. Wakka is made for killing flying enemies with his range attack, but sucks at dealing damage to armored enemies. Auron destroys armored enemies, but also sucks at hitting flying enemies. Etc. Etc.

This seems intuitive. But it's really not any more complex than a game like Dragon Quest II on the NES.

>>379618124
Very engaging compared to the other FF games I've played.
>I
bare bones, standard jrpg turn based, nothing noteworthy
>II
cool concept, but executed very poorly
>III
same as I
>IV
introduction of the atb system, but nothing interesting IMO
>V
job system was a nice addition, but IMO pretty boring
>VI & VII
esper/materia were cool, actually, but were still largely ATB
>VIII
what the fuck, man

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>>379618441
Fair enough but my biggest issue with X is that 80% of random encounters come down to 'put square in square hole' which is really limited and to make matters worse by the time you start opening up everyone's path on the Sphere Grid and getting Friend Spheres and what not you've probably reached the point in the game where there is no reason to be using anyone other than Tidus, Wakka and Rikku.
X definitely has the best boss fights though, that's when the combat system is best put to use and the singular enemies you meet in random encounters in the overworld can be pretty good too like the Sand Worms in Biknael Desert.

>>379618124
I gotta agree with him, how are teh other entries in teh series any better? If anything they are worse.

>>379618441

>Final Fantasy IV
>cast slow, haste, shell and blink on every boss after the Magus Sisters or you die: the game

>>379617397
Yeah it played like an mmo.
I had played WoW and didn't care for it, and then I played FF12 and found it way too familiar, with wandering mobs that could jump in, with autoattacking combat and the occasional spell(at least wow had more input there)
If I had the zodiac system I think I would've liked the gameplay better, since at least it wouldn't have the worst leveling system in the series.

I liked the story though.
I gave up on the game because the gameplay was so fucking lame, but I gave it another shot( I think it may have taken a few tries) and once I got into the story I could soldier on, but everything was just a boring grind with very little input pretty much.

>>379610092
Anybody know of a turn based RPG with weapon crafting where ranged weapons use ammo?

>>379610092
Is there some kind of patch that un-fucks the models on the PC version?

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>>379618817
I think this is pretty fair. I think the core mechanics of the battle system is pretty good, it's just a shame that the enemies don't let it really reach full potential. Would love to see it expanded on, especially the sphere grid but that's not how FF games are made I suppose

>>379618817
>other Tidua, Wakka, and Rikku
Shit, I've been using Yuna, Auron, and Lulu. I'm at the part where Seymour joins your party for the first time to defeat the giant Sinspawn. Then Sin annihilates the Crusaders.
>>379618863
>Magus Sisters
That's the boss in Babil or the Giant, right?
>>379618865
Yeah, I should've clarified: I played IZJS.

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SMTIV or Xenoblade Chronicles

>>379619198
Well you don't even have Rikku yet and at the beginning everyone is required to be used more or less but Yuna has a higher magic stat than Lulu so you should have her learn all black magic skills you can and Tidus, Wakka and Rikku have the highest Agility stats which is what determines turn order so at the end with Hastega you can sometimes have them each get three turns before the enemy gets one.
I'm not trying to hate on X, it's actually one of my favorites in the series but like >>379619161 said they had a great combat system on paper but kind of squandered it by not taking advantage of it with most enemy encounters. The same goes with XIII where unless you're going for 5 stars or doing the optional hunts you don't need to put much thought into it which would be remedied by designing enemies to fully take advantage of the combat system.

>>379619443
Is it really turn-based though ? Xenoblade.

>>379619674
Nah, sorry. My brain just defaulted the thread into a rpg thread.

>>379610092
Chrono Trigger

>>379619161
Play Xenosaga 3. That is pretty much x at its full potential.

>>379619198
>That's the boss in Babil or the Giant, right?
No, they're from Tower of Zot.

>>379619041
Hard to find such a thing with both elements

Some games have ammo like SMT, Xenogears, Wild Arms, SaGa Frontier or Metal Max but have no crafting, unless you count upgrade paths in games like Metal Max, which lead to different tank weapons depending on how you upgrade them, other games have proper crafting like Romancing SaGa: Minstrel Song, Wild Arms XF or the Tactics Ogre PSP remake, but no real ammo to speak of, unless you count Weapon Durability in some SaGa games as ammo.

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>>379619835
I've heard a lot of mixed things about that trilogy but I've always wanted to try it someday. Didn't know it played like FFX

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>>379620067
Xenosaga II is absolutely terrible, just a heads up.

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>>379620140
I've heard that 1 is mediocre and 2 and 3 are bad. Do they all play the same or is each one unique?

>>379610092
Etrian Odyssey series.

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I'm going to have to second Grandia 2. It may be full of just about every anime cliche out there, but I really liked the battle system. Namely, how you could time critical hits to cancel your enemies' attacks, how you had to manage positioning to get the most out of your AoE spells, and how running up to your enemy to use a melee attack happened in real time.

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>>379620330
My nigga, I love me some FOEs

>>379619972
Oh, right. It's been a while since I've played + shit memory
>>379619532
How's the XIII trilogy? Going to finish X, X-2, and IX before the semester begins, then start the trilogy in the autumn/winter. Is it as bad as everyone says it is?

>>379620261
I and III are fairly standard turn based systems with their own unique twist on them but II introduced button combos and I won't get into it but it's just not good.

I and III are both solid but II is a slog.

>>379610515
One of the best rpgs I've ever played. Good taste

>>379620014
Those work pretty well. Thanks bro.

>>379620636
>Is it as bad as everyone says it is?
No, it's got some of the best combat but the problem is that it takes way too long to fully unlock everything.

It takes the ATB system but cuts up inputs into bars that you allow for some cool stuff to do such as if you queue a full string of attacks and launch an enemy into the air you can cancel out of the current string to fully refresh the bar and then put in more inputs to keep the enemy launched for a longer period of time.
It's also one of the few JRPGs to get buffs and debuffs right as they are absolute crucial to efficient play as well which is nice and if you decide to do any of the post game hunts then it's fun to mess around with party configurations since while each character learns every role they each do it a bit differently meaning some are better for different situations than others.

The difference between someone who knows what they're doing and someone who doesn't is night and day in XIII though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt1ruv93IM8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5kH1ID9qEI

Overall though it's a pretty average game.

>>379621180
My friend said he was stuck on one boss for hours and resorted to grinding. Is this a common thing?

>>379610515
Too bad it falls apart in the second half

>>379621640
There's not really any grinding in XIII since your Crystarium potential is capped at each chapter, it's you either have a well optimized paradigm deck and can keep a constant cycle of buffs/debuffs while staying on the offense and managing the Stagger gauge.

I suppose you can grind for weapon upgrades once you reach Pulse but it's never necessary. I've never had to grind in any Final Fantasy game just to get through the main story.

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>>379610515
Not sure how its aged, but it was the first game I got incredibly invested in as a lad.

>>379621926
>I've never had to grind in any Final Fantasy game just to get through the main story.
not him, but how? do you fight every random encounter?

Final Fantasy V

>>379622328
Yes.

>>379622328
Not him, but I found FF7 and the later games are playable with minimal or no grinding if you just fight the random battles as you go. When I tried to play the older games however I would hit a wall at certain points where I would need to stop and grind to get through a boss.

Are there any good modern Turn Based RPG's? Especially on Steam?

>>379622892
>Are there any good modern Turn Based RPG's?
Sure
>Especially on Steam?
The Last Remnant is your best bet, but it's almost 10 years old by now, excellent game though.

>>379622564
I see.
>>379622823
Same thing happened to me, here. Though, I will say I did a bit of grinding in the beginning of VIII (Card, Enc-None, 100 Tornado and Curaga to STR and HP.)

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>>379622892

Dragon Quest X and XI.

>>379610515
never played LoD. You got a link to the iso?

>>379620536

I really liked it too until you could dump max 'go fast' on your robot and she'd instantly kill every single random battle from that point on

>>379623360
>>379623827
nigga just google it yourself

>>379623360
Not him, but I downloaded it from here for whenever I wanted to replay it, since my discs are too scratched.
http://www.theisozone.com/downloads/playstation/psx-isos/the-legend-of-dragoon-redump/

>>379610092
baten kaitos was really fun. and it was different from most RPGs because it was really fast, and the attacks were "cards" that shuffled into your hand.

i can't stand most turned based RPGs because they end up being way too slow to do anything, as everything is like 3 menus deep. It feels like you're fighting the ui rather than an enemy.

>>379621180
Sadly it got a bad reputation because FF kids just want to mash buttons

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>>379610092
Legit one of the best turn based systems of all time. If only it had VIT and it use HP for skills then it would be perfect.

>>379625401
Is it worth it to play 4 first? I'm godawful at video games and its kicking my ass.

>>379622339
I've only played, VII, X and XII, is V good?

>>379617004
>>379617004
grandia 3 combat system is better than 2.

>>379627167
Why is 3's better?

>>379627276
More variety, more options, smoother.
Also generally speaking Grandia 3 is a challenging game whereas you can mash X to win literally everything in G2 except two boss fights.

You can also skip idotic magic animations in 3 unlike 2.

>>379627481
Sounds pretty sweet, I might get the game and check it out.

>>379626215
It's IV but improved vastly and takes place during the neutral ending of IV. IV is only difficult at the beginning because the difficulty curve is fucked. Story is hit or miss for Final. If you're having trouble you could just turn down the difficulty for both anyway.

>>379627752
its the unsung hero of ps2 weebshit and probably one of my genre favorites.

it has a fairly mediocre story that goes full meh on second DVD but everything else is top notch, including the OST and some of the best visuals on the console. very recommended.

plus no random encounters, and locations actually have some nonlinearity and exploration unlike corridor level design of G2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SD9BVS2xw8&index=3&list=RD5W2S2ncJLb4

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>>379628139
my man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ1DV996IFQ

>>379613792
>The trailer they released the other day makes the story look really good.

It did what any good trailer is supposed to do, then.

That said I still love it

>>379621640
I can't even imagine how grinding would even work in XIII. At least in other games you can wander around in different areas.

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>>379613792

>FFXII
>the story looks really good
You're in for such a disappointment. But then, the same can be said for any FF story.

>>379629635
I liked X's story.

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>>379629816
Me too.

>>379629816
I also like X's story and characters

>>379613141
If you like 12 combat that much you should really consider playing 11. 12 is basically an offline extremely limited 11

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>get the Steam versions of FF7 and 8
>can't use the d-pad on my controller
What the actual fuck.

>>379611036
I totaly loved Suikoden but i cant replay Suikoden 2 because of the shitty rune that you get and Jewy gets the best one

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Breath of Fire 3.

I play it once every year for nostalgia purposes. I dunno what it is about the game, but for some reason it's stuck with me since the first day I played it. I've done literally everything in it, and tried different things every playthrough. I think it's a mix between artstyle, soundtrack and the setting/story.

JRPG on PS1 was usually turn based, and to be honest that's when the genre was at it's peak.

>>379630158

That's a really dumb reason to stop playing a game. Also the true shield rune is better. It has a massive attack spell that's better than the Sword rune. And it has healing on top of that.

Besides, physical attacks are the best at dealing damage anyway.

>>379630160
My nigger.

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>>379630160
It's an endless debate but I honestly believe the PS2 was the real golden age for the genre. SNES was big for pioneering shit, while the PS1 established the genre and it's norms. The PS2 then came around and refined everything to such a strong degree.

>>379610092
Suikoden, Etrian Odyssey, Dragon Quest, Bravely series, Breath of Fire. You know, literally every franchise not titled "Final Fantasy" which never got turn-based done correctly yet is the posterboy for turn-based combat and has newfags use FF as an example to why "turn based is dead"

>>379630571
>Kingdom Hearts
>Persona 3
>Tales of the Abyss
You're not implying these are good I hope.

>>379629925
>>379629886
>>379629816

You sure you're not confusing world design with story? The story for FFX falls apart near the end like all FF stories. But the world design and cutscenes make it seem powerful.

And suddenly I realized how much FFX is like Avatar. And I feel bad.

>>379630571
It's the cost of production back then compared to now, and obviously today voice acting is a huge blow, ends up cutting content.

PS1 and PS2 were both an amazing time to grow up in. You could literally go to a store and pick up any game to try it out and be amazed. The industry is saturated now, it's either Indie or AAA, there's barely anything inbetween.

>>379630756
Those are probably my 3 favorite games of all time, I think they're incredible and few games have come close to them that I've played

you know, I would say Paper Mario TTYD overall but the random stage hazards that happen when you level up fucking piss me off so much

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I've been playing this on ePSxe the last few days.

Fucking love the merging system in this game, and I don't understand why there hasn't been anything like it.

Still got my og water dragon arpraton, and wind doge maddreg, but I'm debating merging them with stuff.

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>>379630789
Nope, X's story is elder god tier particularly Auron's arc.

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breath of fire 3

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>>379630756
What's wrong with any of those?

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>>379631363
>>379630160
Who could ever have known that /v/ had such good taste

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>>379631384

>>379622013
Video games don't age. That game is literally the same as when you played it as a kid.

>>379631087
>Stage Hazards
what a well designed mechanic
https://youtu.be/bSi2YbEuRXI?t=3m30s

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>>379631498
I loved Tartarus, I actually thought it was much better than P4's hallways, and way better than mementos. It has a story significance and rushing up the floors is a good time. Especially when the reaper shows up. And there is no greater feeling than when you actually reach the top

>>379631784
>I actually thought it was much better than P4's hallways

There really was no difference.

>>379631684
I guess in a sense none of them do, but when you compare 2D artstyle to 3D back then, the 3D version doesn't look good man.

>>379631316

>Auron could have told Tidus everything at the beginning and helped him skip the entire pilgramidge
>When Tidus finally learns the truth, he confronts Auron with anger
>Auron just shrugs and says he was afraid to tell him
>Auron then claims he needed Tidus to get close to Yuna to set things in motion, despite at the very beginning of the game being shocked that Tidus got to Besaid and constantly chastising Tidus to focus on his mission and not Yuna

No, it's pretty damn bad dude. The story has more holes than swiss cheese.

You're just making me think even more than you are focusing on the style over substance. "Auron was a badass loner!" doesn't make the story as a whole good. And his eventual development in the story kind of killed his badass image.

>>379631881
They play completely differently and serve the narrative in different ways

>>379631784
>better than P4's hallways
they are the same shit

>>379631987
>Auron could have told Tidus everything at the beginning and helped him skip the entire pilgrimage
>Auron just shrugs and says he was afraid to tell him
Please tell me you're not this dumb, I'd like to think X's story is pretty straight forward for a JRPG.
Auron didn't tell them that because he wanted them to see the corruption in Yevon for themselves and even if he did tell them that wouldn't stop them, he says as much himself.

>Tidus: Yuna, wait! Auron, you knew this was going to happen, didn’t you?
>Auron: Yes.
>Rikku: Why didn’t you tell us!?
>Auron: If I had told you the truth, would that really have stopped you from coming?
>Kimahri: Yuna.
>Yuna: I’m not going back.

He lets them see for themselves and then make their own decision, something he failed to do when he did the pilgrimage with Braska.

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>>379610092
Persona 4 Golden, hands down the most immersive game I have played. It's probably due to my own set of circumstances, but it got familiar really fast and mixed with the excellent gameplay and dungeons I was sold half way through. I even like Marie because I had never seen or heard of tsundere before

>>379610515

Oh wow, the first time "fpbp" has ever been used legit

>>379627106
V is great

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>>379632665
>Persona 4
>Excellent dungeons

>>379610515

WHY THE FUCK IS THERE NO SEQUEL/PREQUEL?

What is thee most MECHANICALLY SATISFYING RPG

That I can play

ON THE PC

>>379632502

>Please tell me you're not this dumb
I'd like to say the same back to you.

Bringing a guy to a whole other world where he is an outsider and demanding he go on a mission without telling him what the mission is makes no god damn sense. Even if Auron didn't tell him about Yevon, he could have still told him dozens of things that would help him understand the world he's in. Or at least give him a fucking hint that his dad was the reason he was brought here. But even that was kept vague by a flat out lie Auron told Tidus.

The whole delaying of telling Tidus the truth (or really anything) was done just for the dramatic effect of one scene late in the game. It was not a well planned story plot point as you're implying. It was a badly developed plot twist, as every FF game tries to do this. It's no different from "You mean I'm from the moon!?" in Final Fantasy IV. Golbez realized who Cecil was 1/4 through the game. Yet kept trying to kill him and never told him. Then the big 'plot twist' happens and suddenly Golbez is completely open to talking about it. It's just plain bad writing.

>>379610092
Temple of Elemental Evil

>>37962540
Nah using MP is better because you keep from basically never wanting to use physical skills to keep from healing your demons

>>379626215
Play 4 first because final follows off one of its story paths

>>379621180
>defending this fucking autopilot game
THE CHARACTERS LITERALLY USE SKILLS FOR YOU

REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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best jrpg on the ps2.

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>>379610092
What's the worst thing you know about a turn based RPGs?

Mine is overly long animations on special attacks. An attack should not be 30 seconds long.

>>379633343
>demanding he go on a mission without telling him what the mission is makes no god damn sense.
Except it's made explicitly clear what the Final Summoning is and that Tidus is a guardian to accompany Yuna to Zanarkand, that's all he needs to know.
>Or at least give him a fucking hint that his dad was the reason he was brought here.
Auron flat out tells Tidus that his dad is Sin and tells Tidus when they're in Dream Zanarkand Auron says 'We called it Sin' of course he knew.

>>379633861
more like the worst

you niggas need some Rogue Galaxy

Mana Khemia.

>>379633919
Random encounters.

Quick test for autism desu

>>379633970
dragon quarter is actually good
the meme that it's bad is from retards that can't handle a decent narrative

Don't have one single turn based rpg I favor above others but some I really like are:

Treasure of the Rudras (god tier magic system), Romancing Saga 2/3 (rarely do you see sandbox JRPGS), Skies of Arcadia (sky pirates need I say more?), Live a Live (pretty damn unique game)

>>379633275
Yer mom.

>>379633970
Rogue Galaxy isn't that good.
>Those fucking towers
>Forced to have Jaster in your party at all times

>>379633970
>>379633861
both are pretty meh
PS2 JRPGs were shit compared to PS1

>>379633970

Rogue Galaxy is overrated and a major slog to finish

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>>379634115
>Want to play Skies of Arcadia
>Game costs $100

>>379610092
I really love the combat in FFX. My only problem with it is how it breaks down once you get to the postgame.

>only Tidus, Wacka and Rikku (and maybe Yuna) are of any real use anymore
>magic becomes completely pointless
>Quick Attack and overdrives are all you ever do anymore

>>379634178
Wild ARMS 3 and Shadow Hearts tho.

>>379634178
I couldn't disagree more

>>379633970
Rogue Galaxy is basic as fuck. It managed to make a space faring adventure boring.

>>379633956

>Except it's made explicitly clear what the Final Summoning is
No it isn't. Tidus directly asks multiple times what the final summoning is and all the party members just go quiet. When he DOES learn what the final summoning is, he goes ballistic and convinces Yuna not to go through with it. He also gets mad at Auron for not telling him and leads directly to the issues I referenced before.

>Auron flat out tells Tidus that his dad is Sin
Well over halfway through the game.

>and tells Tidus when they're in Dream Zanarkand Auron says 'We called it Sin' of course he knew.
Which means he was HIDING THE TRUTH FOR OVER HALF THE GAME. And once again leading right into the very points I made of why the game falls apart. Wow, thanks for cementing my point.

>>379613792
It has the best FF script along with FFT but the story is not as good as FFT because ff12 is an unfinished game.

>>379634085
What's so bad about random encounters? Do you want the enemies to be seen on the overworld?

>>379634178

>PS2 JRPGs were shit compared to PS1
No, both consoles just had a few good JRPGs and a lot of bad ones. And you happen to run into the bad ones on PS2.

>>379634560
There were plenty of great ones on both though

>all these autismals hating on Rogue Galaxy

what are some superior ps2 jrpgs then

im waiting.

>>379634535
what's so bad? the fact that they are endless. if there was a fixed amount that wouldn't be too bad. but fuck fucking 20 same battles in a corridor that takes 10 seconds to run through

>>379634378
First off Luca is not over halfway through the game and second it's the first time he encounters Tidus in Spira.

>>379634560
the only good ones on PS2 are okami and persona 4

ffx is dogshit

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>>379634703
>Persona 4
>Good
Oh my sweet summer child.

>>379634703
Okami isn't a JRPG, you donut.

It is the best PS2/Wii game, though.

>>379634506
And arguably some of the best voicework in the industry. Shame about it being unfinished.

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>>379634654
breath of fire dragon quarter

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>>379634891
Okami isn't even the best Clover game.

>>379634995
I remember a 5 hour long prologue part that went fucking nowhere.

No thanks.

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>>379634703

I see the problem. You don't know what an RPG is. You think JRPG = game with anime graphics.

>>379634891
>Okami isn't a JRPG, you donut.

He probably meant Okage.

Its a good game

>>379613792
the "main" story isn't actually what the game is about, so lots of people think the story sucks.

>>379634804
You do realize most JRPG dungeons are hallways, they just use the art direction to hide that fact yes? I would assume you at least aren't that retarded

>>379610092
Legend of Legaia but FFX is probably top five. Legend of Legaia is my favorite game of all time.

>>379635142
I liked everything about Okage except the gameplay.

>>379635109
you seem retarded
i hope you dont think dragon quest is actually good

>>379631987
>Auron just shrugs and says he was afraid to tell him
Utterly false.
>despite at the very beginning of the game being shocked that Tidus got to Besaid
Does not happen.

Did you actually play FFX? Your basic understanding of the plot events is downright wrong?

>>379635229
Some of them have puzzles, though. Just look at Wild ARMS.

And so another jrpg thread has fallen to shit once again

>>379635229
You realize P4's dungeons have absolutely nothing interactive or engaging about them right? There are two floors in Mitsuo's dungeons that have teleporters and the intersections that will turn you around but other than you just run down endless copy and pasted hallways with nothing to do, no puzzles to solve, nothing to keep track of and to make things worse P4 throws resource management out the window thanks to the fox.

Persona 4's dungeons are so bad but what's even worse is retards like you defend them.

>>379634668

Auron didn't tell Tidus about the final summoning or his dad being Sin the first time he met him. Also, Auron could have and should have been there right after dragging Tidus to the future. Instead he just dumped him on a random island. If an Al Bhed ship hadn't been there, Tidus wouldn't have even gone anywhere. And that Al Bhed ship is another example of plot convenience, since if he didn't fall off that ship, it would have taken him right to the fucking place where the airship was and he could have avoided the entire pilgrimage and Yuna.

Do you see how many holes this game has? So many convenient things had to happen to lead to the ending Auron supposedly just let happen naturally. And yet also planned out ahead of time. This happens in almost all FF games so its not surprising. But it is bad writing.

>>379629816
I liked it too anon.

>>379635335

>no
>you're wrong
>you must not have played the game
>no counter examples given
Funny how I see this in every FF thread. Especially regarding FFVII.

>>379635552
>Auron didn't tell Tidus about the final summoning or his dad being Sin the first time he met him.
Why would he during the chaos that ensued in Dream Zanarkand when Sin comes? He tells him that his father his Jecht the very next time they meet.
>on a random island.
Besaid is not a random island, Jecht purposefully put him there because that's where Yuna who is the new High Summoner is beginning her pilgrimage.
>since if he didn't fall off that ship, it would have taken him right to the fucking place where the airship was and he could have avoided the entire pilgrimage and Yuna.
Except Jecht purposefully guided him to Besaid. Jecht and Auron's entire plan was to end the cycle of Sin and the Final Summoning.

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>>379635721
>shitposters don't actually play the games they shitpost about
you're acting like this is new

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Dragon Quest VIII is my all time favorite, but that was mentioned already. For a runner up, I'll go with Mega Man X Command Mission. It's goofy as all hell, and doesn't really do anything revolutionary for the genre, but I have fond memories of playing this for hours at a time when I was younger. It had a lot of bonus unlockables and hidden content too, which was nice.

>>379636164

You're deflecting by just saying someone is wrong and not providing examples to counter his. Which means I could just as easily say you haven't played the game.

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>always post my favorite game in threads like these
>never get a (You)
>no one ever says they liked the game much less played it
>no /v/ bro to talk about my favorite game and maybe cuddle with when we're drunk
>tfw

>>379636430
What's your favorite game?

>>379636532
See
>>379635231

>>379636003

>Why would he during the chaos that ensued in Dream Zanarkand when Sin comes? He tells him that his father his Jecht the very next time they meet.
You're changing your story dude.

>Besaid is not a random island, Jecht purposefully put him there because that's where Yuna who is the new High Summoner is beginning her pilgrimage.
He didn't drop him at Besaid. He dropped him on a nameless island that you visit later in the game. Tidus gets saved by the Al Bhed and then taken on their ship. A ship that is conveniently sailing by Besaid on their way back to the Al Bhed homeland (which Besaid is nowhere near the course they would be going based on the world map you see later in the game). And Tidus is conveniently thrown off the boat within swimming distance of Besaid. Holy crap, surprised they didn't throw some midecholrians and mogs into there just to make it more ridiculous.

Oh I'm sorry, 'Sin planned it'. But if Sin (Jecht) planned it, it still doesn't explain why Auron put him on a random island and wasn't there to help guide him. And how Auron was suppose to magically have all this planned out.

By coming up with more examples, you just provide more evidence why the story is a series of plot convenience. Not a solid, well thought out plot. There's nothing wrong pointing this out. Most FF games have this problem. Like my example above with FFIV. In FFIV, Rydia magically gets thrown off the boat so she can be taken to the Eidion realm and learn to use magic better/grow up. Sound familiar? Almost like...Tidus falling off the Al Bhed boat so he can get to Besaid and meet with Yuna and face his destiny? This is a common plot device in Final Fantasy. But it's also bad writing.

>>379636840
>posts shit game
>is surprised when no one agrees with him

>>379637497
It's not shit though. Everyone who plays it likes it. Problem is barely anyone has played it.

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Romancing SaGa Minstrel Song is my favorite. Regenerating battle points so you can spend them or save them within the battle and they don't carry over to the next battle is a great system. You are playing a RPG and you are gaining skills, you should be able to use those skills. Not only that but some amount of skills consume durability on your weapons as well so you may not always be too keen with going balls out on some skills. Anyways it isn't like you will be able to spam the 13 BP cost skills every turn, you always have to make sure you can use a healing spell just in case.

This isn't even mentioning everything else in the game.

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>>379636268
>X Command Mission
I loved just how broken Force Metals could get in that game. Kind of wish it got the Battle Network love and continued for several more games.

>>379636840
Yeah, never played it. Looked somewhat interesting but I had a N64 at the time instead of a PS1. It does sort of remind me of Hybrid Heaven though with its martial arts based combat.

>>379638095
The series had so much potential and then the sequel completely fucked everything up.