Bloodstained

>linking to lamexplain
Die.

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>those graphics

3D was a mistake

>>379592773
the 3d graphics gave me eye cancer
why
why the fuck they do that
just hire a million guys from deviantart, to vector the whole game in 2d

>>379593228
2D is harder and more expensive.

>>379593090

Yeah, if the gameplay delivers, I'll still get the game, but it's sad that the 3d direction makes it look uglier than the old games it's inspired from.

>>379593228
Someone never played Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo HD Remix

>>379593381
Are you implying it was bad?

Graphics certainly aren't pretty but the gameplay actually looks pretty fun.

>>379593615
No, I'm implying it had ugly sprites after hiring a million guys from DeviantArt, in this case Udon Entertainment.

Also it was plagued by money problems and delays

Good news, the graphics only look half as garbage as they used to look.

>>379593615
Are you implying it was GOOD?
Yea, having muscles indentation the size of the grand canyon at a silky smooth 4 fps looks totally fine.
People give Guilty Gear shit for its low frames and you're trying to convince me it looks fine in SF2?

>>379592773
Needs more contrasted lighting, move the camera a little closer, need additional texture work on all surfaces

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>>379592773
This will be shit right?

>>379592773
She just literally uses the same spear move from aria lol

>>379593847
It will be ok, and satisfy the itch of anybody who wanted to play Castlevania again

>>379592773

My only issue is that the character looks like she's running with concrete shoes on.

Other than that, it looks like a Igavania.

Mighty No. 9 (Father)

Yooka Laylee (Son)

Bloodstained (Holy spirit)

>>379594012

This. Otherwise, it looks pretty awesome, actually.

Oh, and she's airborne for way too long when she jumps. Bitch is up there for like 4 seconds.

>>379592773
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyBWchAreo4

>>379594317
>Every time you get a crystal shard you earn a new power
>But your crystal cancer progresses
>If it gets too bad you die.
It's horrible but I like it

>>379592773
The gameplay looks okay but how do the graphics look so bad stylistically? Nier Automata has full 3D sidescrolling segments and it looks fantastic during those segments. What went wrong? I feel like Bloodstained needs some lighting overhaul, more shading and contrast, and some light filters or something to make it look more like SotN.

>>379594317
>Medusa heads are back
Don't know whether to be happy or sad

>>379592773
Worst texture work in history.

This game looks like any other stock unity/U4 asset platformer.

>>379592773
cautiously optimistic but they'll probably just fuck it up. not expecting much

>>379592773
Am I the only one who finds the music less powerful than in the previous games? It doesn't sound much like Michiru Yamane.

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>have good models and animations
>completely fuck up the shaders beyond belief

>jumping lasts like 5 straight seconds
hmmmmm

>>379595172

Have you replayed SotN recently?

>>379595172
this. why the hell does it last so long? can we at least quick drop ?

>>379595263
Yeah, and it feels good to jump like that.
My fear is that it won't have the superdiduper jump from COTM onward where you can slam your head into the ceiling, because SOTN didn't have that.

>>379595679

SotN has that crazy down-up combo that shot you through the air like a fucking lunatic, what're you talking about?

>>379595679
Yes it did. Ever find the gravity boots?

>>379595935

You don't start the game with the fastening moves though.

Well, I guess you have the Dracula teleport.

>>379595935
When I emulated it I couldn't do any of those damn combos.
The library shop menu was bugged as shit too
Sorry lad.

>>379596089
Get a better emulator dude, I had no problems

>>379592773
>Using shitty 2.5D instead of just going full on 2D.
It's fucking retarded.

>>379596043
I thought that was only for underwater...?
I really don't remember and might have to revisit the game.
I got like 198% on my first playthrough, no guide.

I dislike the 3D, but let's not care about that
will there be a x2 speed button?
this shit is way too slow

>years in development
>only 20% done
>the developers admitted they have no idea on how to work with Unreal Engine because Japan is still stuck in the 90s technology

Jesus Christ.

>another kikestarter project is shit

color me surprised.

>>379596187
Only the black magic the Arcsys used for Xrd could pull it off in 3d properly.

>>379594092
But it won't be a holy trinity anymore when Shenmue 3 comes out and turns out to be a shitshow too.

>>379592773
>with shit graphics

Considering dynamic environmental lighting and shading isn't done yet, yeah.

>>379596089
>>379596059


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL_VQiI7jFw&t=14s

You find it in the clocktower, it's not a librarian thing.

>>379593381
that shit is cancer because it still uses the same animations and movement as the old one

there are plenty of examples of 2d graphics (using 3d under the hood) that look like a million bucks
>>379593282
i can't help but doubt it HARD

>vanillaware

>>379596362
Here we go

>>379592773
Can someone explain why this looks so fucking terrible? When I look at stuff individually it almost appears to be fine (except for the main character's animations). I just don't understand.

>>379596465
20 FUCKING PERCENT ONLY FAGGOT

>>379596465
>>379596220

https://youtu.be/m20wmdMC6ck?t=43

>>379596465
See
>>379596362

We're a year from the promised MINIMUM deadline. What is wrong with you people?

>>379596362
I'm aware they can improve it, but releasing this trailer with such a focus on the 3D environments that are still unpolished will definitely turn some people off.

>>379596465
>except for the main character's animations
They're pretty much identical to what you'd see on a 2D castlevania but it looks awkward in 3D

>>379596341
Holy trinities on /v/ are comprised of at least 4 elements.

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It looks fun to me.

>>379596426

Vanillaware can pull those numbers because they already have the whole pipeline and infrastructure done.

>>379592773
This might sound really stupid coming from someone who has no hands-on knowledge of game development, but something like foreground light sources for shading the parts of the environment that face the player, and not just the surfaces where the player character inhabits, would work WONDERS for the aesthetic by itself. Those surfaces are most of what the player can see and they're all flat and monotone.

That said, this makes me pretty excited regardless. It looks like a blast.

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>>379596420
>PLaying using backdash all the time
>In a game with smoothass animations.
Have some OC.

>>379596757
This is good OC

>>379596757
It's not that guy's fault that backdashing is like quintuple the speed of the run cycle

If I'd criticize him for anything it's not using the shield cancel to go even faster

>>379596757
t. igarashi

>>379596198
On my first playthrough I got the gravity boots and forgot about it like an idiot, I accidentally did the button combo and shot 20 meters up in the air, felt like a fucking dumbass because I had been slowly flying as a bat the whole time
You probably did the same thing because from what iremember they're relatively hard to miss

>>379596757
You might be the only faggot on earth who doesn't backdash through the entire game.

>>379597205
Why not give some use to wolf form?
It's even a large corridor.

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>>379595120
>have good models and animations
The models are OK for a not very high poly count, I guess, but the animations are pretty bad.

>>379597265
Because you constantly bump into shit, bat charge is better

>>379597265
>get the spike protection armor
>wolf mode through that spiky corridor and watch all the spikes shatter at lightning speed
Fuck year, I love the Wolf power

>>379597265
>wolf form
this just made me flash back to my first time playing SotN, when I thought I fucked up by letting the bridge to the clock tower collapse, and convinced myself I needed the wolf form to get across and make progress because you can find it at around the same time you can access the clock tower (iirc)

maybe I should beat this game for the 10th time

Could this break the Kickstarter curse?

I trust Iga more than Conman and Playtonic.

>/v/ hipster kids hate 3d platformers
Early and pre-ps1 era 3d platformers were the coolest thing ever at the time.

>>379597552
>Kickstarter curse
The TORtanic really tainted this board, huh. Shovel Knight was a Kickstarter project and even the contrarians around here love it.

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>>379592773
AND YOU CAN HAVE IT ALL

>>379597387
How do you perform the bat charge anyways? I've played through SotN like 7 times and not once have I been able to pull it off.

>>379597738
>inb4 name 1 good kickstarter game
>except shovel knight

>>379597552

The kickstarter curse is because you can hype up a project and get tons of funding, so it rewards hype rather than proper planning. BS got funded and planned before a single bit of work was done on the game. Thus, they made some really bad decisions, like hiring Inti to do a 3D game in unreal engine when they didn't know how to do either.

Iga is a bit smarter than Inafune, and his project has mroe money, so he's been able to hire additional teams to work on the game. So hopefully this means the projct turns out better.

>>379593090
I think if they went with 2D route it would still look like shit, they would probably make it look like those """"""""""retro"""""""""" indie games and it anything wouldn't be close to SotN.

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>>379597887
Pic related
I'm completely fucking worthless at pulling it off so when I emulate the game I set the d-pad to both my controller's d-pad and the analog stick
I use the stick pretty much exclusively for that move

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Interview with Developer Dico:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m20wmdMC6ck

Trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTVYb6xeUcU

Leaked gameplay (minus music and likely from the upcoming E3 demo):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyBWchAreo4

>>379595172
So just like the other games?

These games have ALWAYS been incredibly floaty. But unlike, say, Little Big Planet, platforming is actually an afterthought, but rather the most important thing is being able to slide left and right and reposition yourself where you can hit a boss repeatedly.

>>379598302
Circle of the Moon wasn't nearly as floaty but I can't get used to it, feels kind of awkward to me

>>379596690
No, vanillaware literary made the best looking game on Saturn 18 years ago and it was their first game.
It's just that the devs nowadays are bad and can shit out anything because most people will defend it.

>>379598725
>>379596690

Vanillaware games have almost no animation (it's just cardboard cutouts moving around mostly), and far fewer enemies. Metroidvanias are filled with hundreds of unique enemies and each have a wide array of animations.

>>379592773

why isn't this on the bloodstained youtube channel? the fundamental gameplay looks like it's there but the art style still looks fucking cheap, I really hope this game does well enough for them to get a proper artist and art team to do future games

Graphics don't look bad for a 3D game from Japan. Most other Japanese 3D games look exactly like this. They are perpetually stuck in that PS2 graphics quality look and can't escape it.

>>379599298
Now this is some fine baits

>>379599260
>but the art style still looks fucking cheap,

Art style is fine. But they need better textures, details and a few more polys. Things look kind of flat in places.

>>379599298

Nioh, Dark Souls 1-3, Bloodborne, FF15, etc.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/askcurry?f=tweets&vertical=default&src=hash

>no one is sending director Iida any questions

LOL

Maybe they should have given him some spotlight instead of giving it entirely to Iga?

>>379599485

>Nioh, Dark Souls 1-3, Bloodborne, FF15, etc.

All large developer titles. Anything from smaller groups in Japan usually come out looking like this.

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>>379592773
I like how the enemies look but the levels almost look like they are missing a shader. Game looks decent in general though

that vampire is a qt

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>>379593847
anon, those designs look fine but the gameplay so far looks clumsy and not-for-everyone

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MIRIAM GOES THROUGH THE PLATFORMS INSTEAD OF OVER THEM.

REPEAT: SHE GOES THROUGH THEM!

BLUNDER CONFIRMED!

>>379599915

>fat round bare ass is fine
>nipples must be covered

>>379599915
That's a big butt.

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>>379600051
I love the beautiful 3D graphics!!!

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>*blocks your path*

Buy my game or face my brade foolish gaijin!

>>379600241
i hope that katana turns into a whip

>>379600051
Wow, its that thing that happens in every Smash Bros.
Now tell me, how many of those were blunders?

I love these suckers that shower these con artists with money.
I'm in a position where I literally cannot lose.

>Idiots fund ideas guys
>Game turns out shit
>I can safely ignore it and then proceed to laugh at the retards that fell for the scam

>Game turns out good
>I can pirate it and play it for free if I don't like the obnoxious as fuck fanbase/devs
or
>I can actually buy it if I feel it's worth it.
The trick is not to back anything on kikestarter.
I'm a massive La-Mulana fan. Did I back La-Mulana 2 despite having some degree of faith in NIGORO?
No, because I'm not a fucking moron.

Let's take a moment to thank the utter retards that back these games for us though.
Thanks suckers, try not to get too much buyers remorse.

>>379600649
i didnt back it but im hopefully optimistic about it
it looks solid so far, aside from some textures and some animations gameplay wise looks good

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>>379600649
So is it Kikestarter or Cuckstarter?

>>379592773
>porn flash game graphics tier

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why the fuck is everyone panicking and saying it will be shit?

none of the red flags from mighty number 9 or yokaa laylee are showing. The fact that the developers are frequently doing videos of their work is eliminating the surprise factor and showing that at least they know what the fuck they are doing, unlike the other two aforementioned projects

>>379602920
>none of the red flags from mighty number 9 or yokaa laylee are showing.

Pure delusion.
How to spot a backer.

>2.5d abomination
>Looks like shit
>Animations are amateur
>Gameplay looks sluggish
>Music sounds awful


no, non of the red flags at all. sure

>>379603228
>looks like shit

are you fucking real

>>379603228
it's like you WANT it to be shit

>>379603927
He's right tho. I hope he's not. I need another castlevania. I even played the Minecraft one

>>379603790
Don't bother with him, its just your average "all kikestarters are tortanics" shitposter.

>>379603927
I don't want it to be shit though. I want it to be good. The art style is already fucked beyond repair though. Should have made it 2D.
The other things can be fixed but for now they're riddled with issues as well.

>>379593847

I don't know you dim child, did it look like shit? Or are you just memeing again?

>>379592773
Your negativity is unfounded, you sound stupid

>>379594092
I liked Yooka Laylee.

>>379603927
Buddy they DO want it to be shit. Welcome to /v/ where they hope every game is a failure so they can shitpost even more about it.

Also so they can validate their confirmation bias about kickstarter being "bad" despite just as many gems being released as shitters.

Not a backer by the way

>>379604443
and I like action 52

>>379592773
looks fun. its DIFFERENT. There a bazillion 2d metroidvania games you can play.

>>379592773
god it just looks so mediocre and fan made, can't see it being anything better than 6/10

the graphics and art style are missing something, they need a change to make them pop but maybe that can't be done in 3D platforming

>>379604802

The enmies and character models are fine. Even great looking. The environments are really bland though. They lack detail and have poor textures. Too many objects look totally smooth.

>>379592773
>$5.5 million
Jesus Christ. Reminder that Hollow Knight was funded for $57,000 and is infinitely better than this pile.

>>379596320
It's not black magic, it's Arcsys putting in the work and refusing to let their product look like crap.

>>379605404
Hollow Knight looks like flashgame shit.

>>379605550
What? Hollow Knight looks great. Bloodstained has that cheap shit 3D that every shitty dev in Japan is using in their indie games.

>>379605718
Bloodstained actually looks good, nothing cheap about it. Hollow Knight just looks like some Newgrounds flash made by two to three people tops.

>>379605896
Provide one example

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>>379605718
I like the shitty 3D Japanese kusoges though.

>>379592773
Looks and plays like a mobile game

>>379606002
Are you blind? Just look at the characters, they reek of that flashgame look, just like Castle Crashers, or Binding of Isaac.
Why don't you provide an example for what supposedly looks bad in Bloodstained?

It looks ok for a low budget game. Better than most KS projects.

>>379605896
Horrible bait

>>379606385
Castle Crashers and BoI do look like flash games, but Hollow Knight does not look like them and I don't understand why you would put them in the same category.
Her running animation looks janky.
The bell falling at 27 looks like total garbage when it hits the floor.
The backgrounds look like plastic. Probably a lighting issue.

>>379600241
>what in talnation?

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>>379606882
The running animation is smooth, there's nothing janky about it.
The bell looks perfectly fine, you should get more insight on what you shitpost about, pic related is what it looks like before and after crashing.
The backgrounds look fine too, there's nothing plastic about them, I can't tell if that was just a last second addition to your baseless argument, if you're too autistic to handle motionless walls.
Nice to see that people who shit on Bloodstained don't have any actual argument, and are just jumping on the tortanic boat, also the shit I said about HK was just to give you a taste of your own medicine in baseless shitposts.

Next vid is going to be director Iida answering questions. Ask him about his fave games, featuers you'd like to see, his experience, etc. Send them questions at:

#AskCurry
@SwordorWhip

>>379597894
FTL
Hyper Light Drifter
Pillars of Eternity
Darkest Dungeon (could be argued)

>>379592773
Looks alright. Would probably look a lot better with better lighting and shading.

>>379600649
If it looks promising I back knowing it might not pan out. It's gambling but I'll put some money on the promising ones.

>>379605896
Hollow Knight looked really good. Especially the effects of spells and abilities. They like to throw partical effects into the 3D stuff but it's not always very good looking like you get with 2d.

What you lose with 2d is usually customization and variety of weapons. Some 2d stuff gives you a bunch of usable items but many games give you like 1 or 2 weapons cause drawing a whole new set takes a lot of time.

>>379600649
>I buy it if I like it

Don't fucking lie on the internet. No one is dumb enough to believe this shit.

>>379592773
Looks horribad considering games like Dead Cells are out and about. It's just too floaty to be good.

>>379596465
animations and contrast. also 2.5d exacerbates it. overall floaty pacing.

>>379610916
>Pirated La-Mulana
>Played it to completion
>Bought it on steam years ago
>Bought it on my vita
>Haven't played either version of them and don't really plan too

Cry more faggot.

>>379596426
vanillaware uses completely shit animation
like anyone that cites it doesn't play video games and just looks at screenshots, because they look like phone games in motion

>>379610916
But I did that with Oblivion, Exanima, Warband and many others.

>>379612919
The reason why Vanillaware's animation is "shit" is because their games are like moving paintings. It's more about the colors and detail than how smooth it looks.

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>>379592773
Why can't Iga-fuckin-Rashi do handdrawn stuff anymore, I backed this game for 250dollary-doos? I was kinda hoping for something closer to the concept art, not 2.5d.

Hopefully the gameplays good but it doesn't look like I'm gonna be getting the SOTN 2 or aria of sorrow 3 or dissidia 2 I was hoping for, R.I.P

My main complaint is the speed.
The games way too slow.

>>379605404
>$57,000
hk was backed by indie fund you worthless underage mongoloid

>>379592773
Holy shit this looks awful. And that soundtrack is abysmal.

>>379613380
The game will most likely have some method of moving faster at a certain point, like other IGAvanias.

>>379608259
>running animation is smooth
Sure, but the problem is it looks like she's running to take a shit

>>379610916
i do that too

>>379614359
The run is an average run, I don't see where you're getting this "urgency to take a shit" from it, by any stretch of the imagination.

>>379614359
so standard fare for Castlevania protagonists?

i don't even get it

why does this look like a game made in unity in a couple days? i thought this was supposed to be a big budget game?

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>start making a game
>hey chink-san we're gonna use unreal engine 4
>cool, that means we don't need art direction
>chink-san onegai t-that's not h-how it works please understand
>shut up mingling-kun! we're not gonna hire an art director! unreal 4 does graphics on its own! i need the money for coke!

>>379615234
The game looks like shit, anon. Your money is wasted.

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here's the real question

will the game have catchy music worthy of the castlevania name? I knew lords of shadows was shit as soon as I listened to it during my first hour

>>379615580
>dog

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>>379616016
Nah the game looks great, tortanic posters like yourself just shit on it because they're assblasted about pic related, and eagerly await Bloodstained's failure, which will never happen, mark my words, Bloodstained will be a success and will be a great game.

>>379592773
I like it. Don't know why so many ravaged pussies here, though. It's getting kinda hard knowing who actually doen't like something and whos meme hating to be popular.

>>379613327
I think it would take far too much time and money to make an HD game with hand-drawn sprites and smooth animations with as much detail as SOTN.

Something about this just looks.... off. I don't know what it is. Hard to describe, but it looks fucking weird, and the movement of the models looks floaty and sluggish?

I don't know what it is, but I don't like it. Makes me sad. I was really genuinely excited for this game.

>>379616579
You're just a delusional faggot. I was never a fan of Iga and his new game proves that his later games lost their touch and they were shit. Enjoy your poorly polished garbage.

>>379616940
>Everything proves everything is shit. EVERYTHING IS SHIT. WHY WON'T YOU LISTEN TO ME?

honestly just kill yourself and make your parents happy

>>379616940
go back to play the original castlevania grandpa

>>379616940
The only delusional ones are anons like you who think a game looks like shit solely because its from kickstarter.

>>379617480
I say it looks like shit because it looks really unpolished, not because it came from kickstarter

Game is ugly, it looks slow, and the music sucks

Hooray

>>379592773
Tell me /v/, why didn't they just use sprites?

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>>379592773
>2.5D
Trash.

>>379617892
no one was smart enough to think of it
you should have told them

Tweet questions to Iida, the director of Bloodstained and he will answer them in the next update video. Pleaes format them in the form of a question.

@SwordorWhip #AskCurry.

>>379617623
Whoa, get a load of this genius, a game that's only 20% finished looks unpolished! Who would have thought?
Also, unpolished≠shit, the game looks good for the amount of time put in so far, and it is looking better and better with almost every update, just admit you want it to fail because its from kickstarter and move on.

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>Folks want more SOTN kind of games
>People back project promising just that
>Game looks and plays like a SOTN type of game
>nu-/v/ complains that it lays like a SOTN game

Never change, faggots. You are always good for a laugh.

>>379613327
Most of the staff that worked on games like SotN retired, primarily the artists.

>>379618292
I want it to be good though. I'm concerned because what has been shown so far doesn't look great and that is a cause of worry.

>>379592773
are people unironically hyped for this game?
It looks like absolute shit (And I don't mean graphics but they also do fucking suck)

>>379618396
>implying the poorfags in /v/ could even donate
they obviously will hate it for no reason
these are the faggots that killed castlevania by shoving down their throats the piece of shit that was LoS2

I've seen fanmade Touhou metroidvanias with more work put into presentation.

>>379619145
how many of those are?
I only know of the 2 touhouvanias and that other one with Aya and her dog in a castle

>>379592773
Character is so fucking out of place

What's the point of 3d backgrounds when you're not gonna use it?

Shitty effects

Absorbing bosses WTF is this MM/MN9?

End boss is too slow

The jump only looks that floaty when you hold the button all the way, otherwise you fall pretty quickly.

>>379618890
Have you played the first demo? It's pretty good imo, like it's nothing mindblowing but the game handles pretty well, like if you're familiar with SotN or Aria of Sorrow you'll feel right at home.

In terms of visuals I'm a tad worried too but I'm pretty confident otherwise, the new demo corrected the colours of the old one it looks like so I wouldn't be surprised if polish is pretty late in their pipeline and the gameplay itself is p much exactly what you'd expect of an Igavania so far with some tiny new things.

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>>379620314
>like it's nothing mindblowing

Uh, kickstarter games aren't allowed to be less than perfect.

>>379618396
Boy, it's great how after more than a decade later the same director makes the same rehashes 6 times over, and not one of them is an actual improvement on the original one that he was co-director on. Almost as if the staff or other director made a difference.

But I guess it's fine to just be happy with a mediocre game, because it's like SotN, but probably worse. There's definitely a shortage of those available.

>backed for the $300 tier
This shit better be the fucking game of the century

The running and jumping animation look horrid. In her jumping animation her body is completely vertical, there's absolutely zero momentum in any of her movements.

>>379594317
Not bad

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Should I play Harmony of Dissonance while I wait for this game?
Is it even good?
What about Circle of the Moon?
I've played the rest.

>>379620774
You are talking out of your ass now. Each Metroidvania made after SOTN was a light improvement over the other while keeping the gameplay intact. Excess complexity was removed and kept mechanics unobstrusive, while keeping difficulty accesible for all, which was a big issue with classicvanias.

If anything, Bloodstained resembles Aria of Sorrow the most, which stands in a sweetspot of abilities and difficulty.

>sharts on kickstarter telling them "it looks slow"
sterilize

>>379622062
Circle of the Moon is weird but good I've heard, I don't know shit about Harmony of Dissonance.
If you've played ALL the rest you're probably committed enough to the genre that you'll enjoy it.

>>379622062
They are all decent games which will keep you busy for a good amount of time. The main problem these games had was lack of budget.

>>379622062
HoD is pretty easy and confusing.
CotM is clunky but difficult.
Try both.

>>379622124
Not really for CotM actually

>>379622062
Yes. HoD is good. CotM I couldn't get into. Play Aria of Sorrow/Symphony of the Night too if you haven't already

>>379592773
it looks like a doujin game rather than a 5 million dollar game with veteran game developers

>>379592773
for more than 5 million dollars the presentation itself is shameful. music is lazy, everything is shoddy.

>>379592773
Looks like those cheap 3d doujin games.

like, viotoxica is a porn >game and it looks comparable

>>379622062
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brSsTm_yz0U

>>379623098
You're kidding yourself if you think Bloodstained is comparable to Viotoxica in looks, it'd be like saying Dark Souls is comparable to Kings Field in look, its a blatant lie.

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>>379592773
She's got big-ass tiddies.

>>379592773
Am I the only one who thinks the graphics look good? The models are sharp, the textures are high quality, and there's a nice density of detail that fills out every area.

The only problem I see, is that it has that diorama look. But I can look passed that. The style reminds me of Order or Ecclesia, only in 3d.

Seriously, what can they possibly improve graphically? The lighting perhaps? Everything is finely detailed and well crafted.

>>379623560
wtf just happened?

>>379623720
It really is just a lighting issue, yes.
With there being like 10 months to release, I'm certain it will be fixed.

>>379623907
The lighting isn't really bad though, is it? I feel like people are being far too harsh on the graphics.

>>379623560
This is great. For some reason the sliding at the beginning made me laugh

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>>379623098
imagine being this visually imparied

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>>379592773
>Bloodless
>Attacks with blood

>>379624107
The lighting does look pretty poor. A lot of it just feels really flat.

>>379623720
No, the game looks great, its just all the tortanic fags who are saying it looks bad, because they gotta hold on to the meme that all kickstarters are scams.

>>379596426
>If someone can do it, then it must be easy, gais
Kill yourself, faggot. You have no idea what are you talking about.

>>379624107

You don't think 0:36-0:38 in the trailer is bad?

>>379594092
Yooka Laylee was good.
Bloodstained plays great.

>>379624579
The clouds in the sky look weird, but other than that, no, I think it loos good. I'm even a little impressed by the enemy's death animation. Look at the way he burns. Thta's the kind of satisfying animations I'm used to in Castlevania games, and it's cool that they tranlasted it into 3d.

>>379594317
Why does it look better at 1.25 speed.

>>379600649
too bad u don't get the kickstarter bonuses though
ha ha
ha ha ha

>>379592773
movement is too slow and floaty

>>379626583
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdK7VLMBM7c
wooooowwww so sloooooowww
are all IGA games like this lol wtf bbq

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>>379626583
Jesus Christ. Is this a new meme for Bloodstained? Any of you fucking idiots ever played SotN and onwards?

im excited

>>379626918
at this rate, they'll start saying SOTN is ass.

This is the leaked E3 trailer. It's not done yet, as the music hasn't been added.

>>379623720
Lighting, textures, contrast and most of all animation and interaction with the environment.

Even indie metroidvanias (western ones, in fact) are way, way ahead of what Igarashi is doing right now.

CASTLEVANIA CLONE HAS TO HAVE GOOD PACING

>>379627710
Apparently all that you listed is ont he works by those new guys Iga hired. If any new demos come out afterwards, they should look better.

>>379626918
>>379627007
SotN was a game that was top notch graphically at the time it came out, it had tons of new tech, it had tons of eclectic engine artefacts and tricks and te flow was impeccable. I can only presume you're shills since that company is known for saturating /v/.

>>379626895
>>379626583
>>379594317
>>379598259
>Leaked


Look at the commentary, a guy reccommends to put the game at 1.25x speed. Shame THE FUCKING DEVELOPER didn't think that his game needed to be snappy.

Maybe there will be a way to put the game at that speed with a mod?

>>379627869
Who is contesting that? The usual complain I hear is how slow the movement is, when it is on par with most Castlevanias.

Belmonts are slow walkers.

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Is there any reason they can't use Dracula as the villain? He's a public domain character after all. Would it result in a lawsuit?

>>379628193
Sure if you ignore shuffling.By the way, care to name a floaty Castlevania?

>developer promises a SotN rehash
>gets paid to make a SotN rehash
>makes a SotN rehash
>people complain it's too much like SotN

I think the game looks ugly as hell, but people complaining about the pace of the movement are being retarded.

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>>379628395
Harmony of Dissonance, but nobody here ever bothers playing the games they shit on, so they would never know that.

>>379628352
No.

Dracula just doesn't fit with the Keys of Solomon theme.

>>379628395
All IGAvanias.

>no name dev that copied muramasa / dragons crown looks and handles 1000x better

How can shitstain even compete?

>>379628352
If I'm remembering things right they said that while using Dracula isn't a problem in and of itself, making the game too much like Castlevania might be. So, different theme.

>>379628395
SotN.

Again, I ask: Did you even play it? Don't you fucking dare to tell me you just watched a Lets Play.

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>>379628746

Whoops

>>379628352

They can. But there's a few problems. As confusing as it may sound, generic "Dracula" is public domain, but the specific version used in the Castlevania games is not. He's had so many designs and versions, it'd be near impossible to not make a version that looks like one of the other versions. This combined with the rest of the similarities might cause problems.

But that draws obvious parallels with Castlevania. Bloodstained is not Castlevania. It's a new series. It has a new mythos and characters.

love how everyone on /v/ is an expert on game design, art, and animation
mhm, very credible people

>>379628395
Every Metroidvania except CotM?

Also I don't see what the issue is with the graphics. Other than the crumbling bell looking shitty the game looks pretty decent.

>>379626895
>Soma moves and falls faster than Miriam
What was the point of this post.

>>379629021
The bell actually doesn't crumble, the OP video just doesn't make it look good.
see the image here >>379608259

>>379628880
>>379628746
This just made me realize something. /v/ refuses to discuss games directly with any positivity. You get laughed out to page 10 if you try to make a positive thread about pretty much any video game from the past 5 years.

However, if you try to bring up a game in positive light COMPARED to a game that's currently being used as a punching bag, you can very easily manipulate /v/ into forming a positive hivemind opinion of it. Look at A Hat in Time; before Yooka-Laylee came out, /v/ thought it looked like vaporware Mario Sunshine Wind Waker rehash shit. But if you mention A Hat in Time in any Yooka-Laylee thread, dozens of anons come out of the woodworks to say "hey that game looks good" "lmao a lot better than yooka-shitlee."

That's why so many other games are being brought up in Bloodstained threads; it takes effort to convince /v/ that your game is good. I shouldn't say that, more like it's impossible. But it's very easy to convince /v/ that your game is better than whatever the punching bag of the minute is, and since /v/ only thinks in extremes, that then rounds up to "11/10 GOAT how can shitstained even compete."

>>379592773
Looks pretty fun to be honest, I just wish it would show the weapons even when they are idle in the hand, other than that I'm actually hype, this looks 100% better than that shitty webm that's been going around forever, I'm actually kind of excited to play this

>>379629330
>blatantly lying

>>379629430
Oh. The video is edited in a misleading way then. It still looks pretty bad IMO but the rest looks fine. I didn't back it but if it doesn't go off track between now and release I'll have to pick it up.

>>379629521
That game doesn't look very good or can even compare to Dragon's Crown in grahics.

/v/ is just full of people that don't play video games besides low quality rpg games that argue over game consoles they don't own and post screenshots of games they don't play to complain about things

The biggest issue I see is that it needs to be faster.

>>379592773
yeah enemies do look good
a couple more passes and more artistic flourishes on the environement and it could look good but right now looks alpha as fuck and shouldnt have been made into a trailer, needs like 1+ years more dev work, but theyll shit it out the door because they dont care

>>379629330
>>379629708
It looks like his jump ascends quicker but otherwise the speeds are very close.

>>379629708
>lying
>video proves it
What's with the delusion? Are you a shill?

>>379629832
>The biggest issue I see is that it needs to be faster.
You guys are gonna give me an aneurysm.

>>379629832
no it doesn't
you are just forcing a meme

I think the most simple but important visual improvement they can make is to have an outline around Miriam. Right now she just blends into the background too much. Also it can be expanded to include a type of motion blur effect that should help with the "slowness" everyone's complaining about.

>>379622062
Circle of the Moon is great. Solid challenge. It's kind of a marriage of classic Castlevania with its slower, heavier attacks and stiffer movement to SotN style air control and free exploration. You have to double tap to dash, though.

Harmony of Dissonance is a dull fucking game in comparison.

>>379629781
You're missing the point of what I'm saying really, really hard.

>>379630030
CotM is the best Metroidvania.

>>379592773

>get abilities from enemies like in Aria/Dawn of Sorrow

I really hope you don't have to farm the shit out of them in order to fully upgrade the abilities.

>>379629902
No, but you're fucking retarded if you think that's faster than Miriam's moving.

>>379630192
>you must be retarded excuse
I bet you argue against 60+ fps standards in video games too since you can't see the difference.

>>379630192
Somebody should make a side by side comparison webm. Not me of course because I'm lazy.

>all these faggots saying "le faster"

fuck off noncastlevania shitflingers

at least shitpost about how it looks like ass, not irrational retardation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuTksXNEQwo&t=532

Who's this semen demon?

>>379630178
All seems to indicate that will need to, but drop rate seems to be generous, if the gameplay is any indication.

>>379630490
It looks fine though. Nothing amazing but compared to other 2.5D games that aren't Guilty Gear it looks good.

>>379626918

>SoTN
>Slow

Someone doesn't backdash shield tech at the non-casual level, or wolf charge/wing smash at the casual level

>>379630487
>implying shill isn't an excuse
So you are retarded then, good to know.

>>379630517
My favorite part was when the church bell went dong, dong, dong, dong, dong-

Reminder that Vanillaware's co-founder and president does the sprite work for their games, meaning they dont have to hire a bunch of expensive sprite artists

Stop using Dragon's Crown as an argument, retards

>>379630528

I'm hoping it's more generous than Aria/Dawn. Some souls were a pain in the ass to farm.

>>379592773
Buying it

>>379630517
That actually seems really nice. Hope they distribute the E3 demo to backers on steam like the first demo. I would love to get my hands on that.

>>379600649
You're a faggot AND you have shit taste.

>>379594317
If you put the video at 1.25x speed it looks a lot better.

>>379630517
>the more blood she uses the shorter her dress becomes
That's great.

>>379632046
>how to spot a youtube comments faggot - the post

who is the seiyuu for miriam and why does she sound like she's doing a kobayashi yuu impression

>>379632206
how would you know that I look at youtube comments without checking them yourself? :^)

>>379632259
Because Kobayashi Yuu is a treasure.

>>379632309
i'm not the one posting them. ::DDDD

>>379600241
The descendant of Keniichi Smith and Ken-sama?

Who is Bloodless' voice?

I'm sure she does the ARA ARA roles

>bawwwww it's slow

>floaty jump bawwwwww

It's almost as if you've never actually played a Castlevania game

>>379594317
Miriam isn't that fluid run-wise even though the combat is alright.

What's with the waifu bosses though? Feels like porn bait like that one shitty Konami pachinko. Just a nitpick

The game looks pretty ugly. But I liked the initial demo so I am still pretty excited.

>>379632957
>they don't agree with me, I better accuse them of never playing a castlevania game before

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>>379633063
We have always had waifu bosses, sempai.

>>379632957
Played all of them.

The trashy art design can be overlooked if the gameplay is tight, but its not. It's too slow.

>>379622062
Harmony of Dissonance is a chore to play all the way through compared to other castlevania games. The first third or so of HoD is really good but then there's just so much running around really long hallways that it gets tedious.

The other GBA and DS castlevanias are more fun.

>>379594317
Give her a dash move that can be spamed and it would look a million times better

>>379633219
but you haven't

>play the video at 1.25x speed
>it looks miles better

>>379633771
alright dude, whatever helps you sleep at night

>>379633362
I am really starting to like this new meme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mif5ya4JUy0

>>379633219
>>379633362
Every Castlevania is as slow as Bloodstained, if you say you've played them and then say Bloodstained is too slow, you're a damn terrible liar, and should just kill yourself.

>>379634004
some good games in there fampai

>>379634043
the reason they may think it's too slow is because all cv games were in various 4:3 like resolutions, while bloodstained is widescreen. there's more horizontal space available, which may make it look like miriam walks slower.

>>379634043
This, it's bullshit.

>>379634353
I think you're right

>>379634043
>Bloodstained should be held to the same standards as the first Akumajō Dracula
>Bloodstained is a Castlevania game
This is 2017. The game mechanics should at least be more responsive than the igavanias

>>379634353
i think it's just a meme people are repeating

This whole "Bloodstained is slow" is too similar to the "DOOM is slow" debacle.

>>379634353
Close, but no cigar.
The real reason they """"think"""" its slower is because since that old webm of Miriam on the roofs has been BTFO by the new video, the shitposters need something new to shitpost about, and this is what they've come up with.

>>379634619
The whole point is for it to play and feel like an IGAvania, and the IGAvania games are very responsive games in the first place, fuck off with your bullshit and quit pretending that you've ever touched one of these games.

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>>379613327
> I was kinda hoping for something closer to the concept art, not 2.5d.
You were a fucking idiot who can't read then. They confirmed that the game was 2.5 from fucking day one and released test footage of it before the goddamn kickstarter was even done.

>>379634353
This. Though that doesn't mean they shouldn't speed her up. The sensation of speed is heavily camera dependent and when you change the camera for a game you should make sure the character movement fits.

Though I don't particularly mind the current speed since there was a lot of stuff to kill, break, and steal in the gameplay video so getting around didn't seem boring.

>>379635120
From day one I said I preferred pixel art but IGA is a smart man. They did the BEST thing they could do with 2.5d.

turn Castlevania into a waifu/husbando dressup sim This is unironically a good idea which I wished they could have implemented in any of the previous games.

>>379634764
It's worse. The initial Doom footage made it look slower than it should be. Bloodstained's footage (and demo) are the same speed as the rest of Iga's Castlevania games.

>>379609060
Everything except FTL could be argued. Some people saw the teaser or trailer for these games and the final product wasn't what they expected

>>379597265
This. The Wolf transformation was god tier, but for a some reason everyone prefer to do the meme backdash walking.

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>>379596426
>VaNiLlA wArE

So supposedly, this raised 5.5 million and it was given another 5 million from the publisher.

It's 20% and it doesn't even look good. Even Indivisible looks better because it did 2.5D right

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A FREE fangame made by one dude has better graphic. Tyere is no excuse for bloodstained to be in 3d holy fuck

>game is too slow
You all talk as if they are not planning of having some shard/rune/spell/whatever it's called in this game, to speed your running.
I could bet my ass there will be speedrun videos of Mirian running at Soma-tier speeds in the first week.

>>379592773
>shit graphics
I think I'm in the minority here with thinking it's ok looking.
Certainly wouldn't distract me from the game.

>>379637626
Lab Zero has staff that was trained and highly experience in traditional animation, so it's natural that they can work 2.5 d better than Inti Creates.
Money is not the only thing that counts, the qualifications of the team will not change no matter how much dosh you throw in.

>>379637740
>A game that rips off a plethora of assets is better than a 100% original work
SHIGGY DIGGY

>>379637740
Nigger, that game looks godawful, especially it's "original" enemy design that looks like shit. The only thing it looks good is where they took the sprites from the actual games

It looks fucking atrocious. I've seen people here belittling Hollow Knight when it's being compared to the current state of Bloodstained. You've got no idea of the amount of work put into the hand drawn animations, even if it looks like a flash game which is only reasonable considering the 43US$ budget.

But that's not all. Hollow Knight nails a lot of things, such as the parallax scrolling (which looks terrible in this trailer), the combat, the amount of content for the low price... I could go on and on.

Bloodstained has suffered greatly for hiring these expensive "rock stars" to work with the game when the overall feel turns out to be worse than in some free indie games of the genre.

>>379638003
Well, just have the devs rip off the ancients castlevania game then it's not like they don't have a shitload of very generic monsters and locations

>>379638109
No you fucktard. It's not 100% amazing but it's still better than bloodstained.