Is Novigrad the greatest city in any video game?

>>379553105
its not even the greatest city in w3

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This is

>>379553264
moshi moshi beito desu

>>379553331
sorry i don't speak ebonics

>>379553105
I still remember how I had to pick my jaw up from the floor after seeing Novigrad. We finally have a medieval fantasy city that's good.

Now I'm even more hyped for Cyberpunk.

>>379553406
you dont speak anything with all those dicks in your mouth

>>379553105
I like the game, but the cities are so boring.

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>>379553105

im so lonely

>>379553481
you jealous? boys LOVE my skilled mouth

>>379553105
Big fan of Broker, Grove Street even though it's just a street. Thought Whiterun was cool for about 5 minutes.

I can't quite into The Witcher 3. What's so good about it? I wanna try again but I just can't take Logan and all the boring monologuing seriously.

>>379553105
not really

>>379553601
Also Majora's Mask has the best town in video games.

>>379553584
why would i be jealous? you cant even ask them to pound your gay asshole instead

>>379553105
Yes. It's an actual City. Has many things that made something a City in medieval times. They don't toss that word around like that gookshit Soulsborne or lazy ass western Elder Scrolls shit.

>>379553694
lol

>>379553694
My asshole isn't gay.

>>379553105
Beauclaire is infinitely better

I have a weird experience with this game. I did all the quests in the city but I still felt like I didn't experience the city at all. It's mostly just a blur to me.

>>379554379
If I had to guess it's because you were just following the waypoints on the minimap most of the time. Waypoints are cancer for this very reason, following a dot on a map like a zombie just kills any sense of exploration.

>>379553534
anon, it is widely established that almost zero of witcher fags played gothic series and that almost none tried it out after finding about it.

>>379553764
Just the dick in it

>>379554379
turn off the hud
there's enough landmarks and vistas to get by without the use of minimap

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>>379553264

>when you realize Viking cities/towns being smaller than comparisons is a perfect excuse for the small settlements in Skyrim

>>379554379
I really like the quest with the twin sisters
I wanted to waifu both of them. That storyline felt so incomplete.

worst quests in the game though

>>379556174
>viking cities/towns

>>379557507
lol

>>379553105
No Khorinis is.

>>379557759
not fucking funny.....

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>>379557507

Orgrimmar

>>379557980
lol

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>>379553105
There's only one City for me....

>>379555910
maybe because it's bad_

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>>379553105

Beauclair has it beat, literally the most perfect video game city.

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>>379558202
>tfw we'll never get hammer/pagan shenanigans in the comfiest city ever again

>>379553264
Skyrim "Cities" and towns are pathetic

>>379558303
Perhaps, tho the game didn't really provide a lot of reason to go around Beauclair.

Whereas Novigrad was full of quests making you crisscross around and appreciating the city's structure more.

>>379556219
iktf, I even looked online to see if I did anything wrong since it ended so abruptly.

>>379557668
>viking
>cities
>towns
Vikings barely made any of those, but they sure did rule a lot of them. Especially in medieval Russia. Many Viking nobles were invited to rule serfdoms to city states such as Novgorod.

>>379553105
It's too static to be good. I had a better time in TW1's towns and even Fable.

>>379557668

Are you implying that there wasn't such a thing? I sure hope you aren't because wow that would be a fucking stupid thing to say.

>>379558994
I kinda agree. It's a great city, just missing a touch of personality from the NPC's roaming around it.

>>379559069
Towns? Yes. Cities? Maybe.

They got invite to rule some from Ireland to Russia, but they didn't build any during their golden age.

>>379559385
Barbarians never built anything and barely kept anything written.

>>379560510

Define barbarians.

>>379560548
People who never built anything and barely kept anything written.

>>379560624

Thats a pretty stupid, inaccurate definition.

>>379558063
is that thing fucking animated looking around at the crowd

thatd be uncanny

>>379560431
Just started playing this and fuck I forgot how good Batman games looked.

>>379560713
To be a barbarian is to be someone with little civility and therefore incapable of creating a durable society. It's very accurate.

>>379560807
You'll find that Gotham in Knight is huge with very little to do.

>>379560910
Just like real life cities, which is why I'm inside playing a video game.

>>379559069
They never had major cities that remains of are still around, their populations and lifestyles didn't support such a thing, and their architecture was very under-developed.

I like Ark from Enderal.
The Undercity is one of the coolest slums I've ever seen

>>379560820

Incorrect.

>>379553105
baby's first rpg city?

>>379560713
It's what most historians go with for the barbarian description.

>>379561162

>can't name something better

>>379561094
That's a powerful argument.

>>379561181

p sure historians try to be a tiny bit more accurate than that.

>>379553105
Yes. I'm hoping that CDPR is able to expand upon cities like Novigrad in Cyberpunk. Larger, filled with more things to do, interconnected by highways but shit to explore below those highways.

>>379561217
go play more rpgs baby-kun

>>379561389

>still cant name something better

>>379561286
To be quite fair historians don't even use the barbarian description often, but most contemporary historians referred to those people as barbaric, since they are obscure and all what we know about them is from foreign accounts and observers and they don't have any major works of architecture left nor had any form of record keeping.

tldr; two important signs of civilizations; record keeping and architecture.

>>379560624
As with a lot of the barbarians, they realized the advantages of having a civic and functioning civilization. The Vikings adapted, and built their own society in time. That and the countless thrones their asses have sat upon in Europe.

>>379561378
Cyberpunk is all city. I'd love it if they focused more on verticality with tall building and shit

>>379561535

You still don't know what the word barbarian means.

>>379561621
>All city
You think it's going to be one giant city? Or do you mean no areas to explore aside from cities?

>>379561574
When you've built a civic and functioning society, you're no longer a barbarian. Those who are barbarians cannot do that by definition.

>>379561701
Its in one city. Night City I believe

>>379561378
CB2077 will use a lot of verticality. Also, there will be vehicles in the game so expect for some gigantic mega city.

>>379561630
>/v/istorian

what is a barbarian than you dumbfuck? is it impossible to actually have a constructive argument with these kind of people?

>>379553264
>17 buildings, half of which are empty.
>City

>>379561425
tons of em not listed
>Lindlblum FFIX
>Tristram Diablo
>Kingdom of Zeal from CT
>Vivec from Morrowind
>even fucking Stormwind

have fun following your waypoint baby-kun and make sure to complete your checklist of a map as well

>>379561630
>i still have no argument

>>379561740
Ah. I was hoping for something more. The ads they put out for vehicle specialists made me think you'd be traveling from city to city via some sort of bike.
>>379561756
I like verticality a lot. Very few games apply that properly in any setting.

>>379561835

Literally someone not from Rome or Greece.

>>379553105
I was giving up on this game until I reached Novigrad.

>>379559361
>>379558994
Did you play on console or something? Mine was loaded with people.
Shady guy in cloak, strumpets, beggers, children, bandits attacking me, whoreson's assassins, dwarven gangsters, snooty elves, nobles, the band playing in the market, the dye makers and clothes washers, the shirtless guys at the docks...

>>379561943

Being correct is its own argument.

>>379561950
You can drive in Cities you know...

>>379561957
>using outdated, obsolete, antiquated and archaic definitions

dumb chimp.

>>379562025
I'm positive you actually believe that.

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>>379553105
>witcher3
>greatest

dont make me say it

>>379561725
>Those who are barbarians cannot do that by definition
What kind of retarded thinking is that?

You are talking about a group of people that capable of self improvement aren't you? Almost all barbarian groups progressed to civil states, from the Israelite's to the Celts/Anglo-Saxons/Gaelics of the Britain who built the biggest Empire in history.

>>379562007
T-this is sarcasm right...
They never do anything but tell you to sod off or spit out you. They also hardly interact with anyone else, and if there is interaction it with guards

>>379562039
Of course, but only being able to drive around in a single city loses its appeal, regardless of the size.

>>379562074

So show me a single dictionary that supports your arbitrary definition.

>>379555910
>tfw you realise that the gothic games being good was pure luck

Everything after gothic 3 has been pretty average

>>379562187
>groups progressed to civil states

That's when they stopped being barbarians. Did you not read the post?

>>379562226
>being literal in a history argument

I'm not here to argue semantics, friend. Go to google and find the many definitions of barbarians. Wikipedia is good enough in its own right, peace out vikingboo.

>>379553105
>looks impressive but actually empty and lifeless


sums up witcher 3 pretty well desu

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>>379553105
All Assassins Creed games besides 3 have better cities than Novigrad

>>379562025
FEDORA PAST THE TIPPING POINT

>>379562323

Would've been easier just to apologise.

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>>379553264
>The Real Barenziah described Whiterun as the trade capital of Skyrim
>Each district is massive, the walls unscaleable
>Thousands of people
>Play Skyrim
>15 buildings, 30 NPCs
>A fucking castle is the entire Cloud District

>>379562350
Good point. I've got to give it to Venice from AC2.

>>379562225
That's fucking retarded. What the difference of driving around a city with different unique districts than driving from a city with one aesthetic to one with a slightly different one

>>379562423
But hey, it runs on consoles!

>>379562492
Consoles were a mistake.

>>379562592
Without Consoles, games would be pretty shit

>>379553105
nope I thought it was terribly designed and the worst zone in the whole game.

>>379562747
How? It feels like a proper city, just missing that interaction

>>379562703
>Without Consoles, games would be pretty

fixd

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>>379553105
yes

>>379562320
>Those who are barbarians cannot do that by definition
Sure did.

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>>379553105
Nigga pleaze

>>379563485
so how come he stayed with her even though she cucked him?

>>379562247
>he thinks Witcher isn't going to go downhill after 3

lmao this delusion

>>379553105
That would be Corneria.

>>379555910
Good to be that 1%. Played G1-2-3 and all Risens on release dates. Outstanding games, man. Even though I liked Novigrad, but main camp from G1 had on me insane impact back then.

>>379564208
>tfw rockstar won't sell their New York City to the Spider-Man devs

Best New York of all time

>>379553105
Yes, effortlessly.

>>379553264
>"Do you get to the Cloud District often? Oh what am I saying, of course you don't"
>Cloud District is literally four paces away

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>>379553264
>Skyrim "cities"
>Half a dozen houses and a few various buildings
Fucking disgusting.

>>379562703
all console games are PC games forced on shit hardware that struggle doing the only thing it can do.

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>>379553105
Calpheon in BDO is better

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>>379558303
>do the bank quest
>think "haha no way dumb ass identification shit like this can be so tedious and full of referrals haha"
>go to DMV next week
>get sent to 3 different desks to fill out 3 different forms, in a 3-hour long process
>mfw im geralt irl

>>379553105
It's pretty amazing, but it lacks a couple of things for to really solidfy that position
>More ambience, noise and life (Ubisoft have become really good at this)
>Have some more essential craftsmen as a reason for the city being important
>Iron out the whole city so that the southern docks and northern district isn't practically useless

>>379553105
It's been a long time since I played it but I remember loving Lazulis City in The Last Story.

Vizima in Witcher 1 felt more comfy to me and more alive

>>379553264

Thought that was the bloody barons keep for a minute

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>>379553105
That's not Midgard

>>379553105
>Novigrad
Polish originality

>>379565896
The next Witcher game is 10 years away if we're lucky. Hopefully you continue to shitpost about 2077 in the meantime.

>>379564208
a 2006 game
is unbeatable until 2020

>>379568821
Ive gone to the DMV twice since aquiring my license at 16 and each time I have been in and out in less than 30 minutes. Try getting up before they open you nigger.

>>379562343

>empty and lifeless
>numerous sidequests occurring
>multiple taverns, inns (one set up like a theatre), shops,
>docks full of sailors doing their own shit
>night time changes the city populace with prostitutes and drunks etc. about

>>379562703
Without the guarantee of consolefags lapping up a release a developer would actually have to try to appeal to a PC player. The barrier to entry means the consumer is at least 100x more savvy and gaming as a whole would benefit. Consoles are a crutch that has been holding back the video game medium for over 30 years.

>>379553185
It's objectively the most impressive city on a technical level in W3.

>>379564208
>IV Liberty City feels like an actual fucking living breathing rendition of NYC
>V Los Santos is small as fuck compared to the endless sprawl of Los Angeles and half the map is unused wilderness.

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>>379553105
Given that they basically traced random landmarks in Prague and then defaced their distinguishing characteristics in the hope you wouldn't notice, I'm gonna say 'no'.

>>379553264
This is why Bethesda is a fucking joke

>>379571657
Are you high? Those two clocktowers LITERALLY look nothing alike.

>>379571459

Without consoles, video games wouldn't even have half the budget they do now. The only reason we got Witcher 3 is because of consoles, the only reason you're getting BOTW and Arms and Nintendo shit is because of consoles.

Without consoles, video games would literally all be 4X strategy games and games on the same technical and budget level as Risen 3. Don't pretend that without the huge revenue that the masses provide, the industry would somehow enter a some golden age with amazing realistic graphics etc. The only reason why some of these games are even made are due to the company being able to bank on the sales of consoles to make a return on the initial investment.

>>379568821
That quest is an homage to a scene from The Twelve Tasks of Asterix. Geralt even asks for the same permit number.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff9omPTpJAc

>>379571745
>what is perspective
Reason # 3 why you can't draw, anon-kun. Reasons 1 and 2 are that you're retarded and that you're lazy, respectively.

>>379558202
Fuck that was a good setting/delivery of a setting.

>Before death came, the liars were made to feast upon the hands of the thieves, and the thieves were made to ingest the tongues of their liar brothers, and we praised the Master Builder for his judgements.

>>379571916
I'm sorry that you're feeling shitty in your artistic endeavors, anon.

>>379571264
Fuck off cuck. You don't live in washington state. You don't know the hellhole that is the department of licensing.
>getting up before they open
yeah i'll wait in line behind the 15 other people who had the same brilliant idea

It used to be you'd wait 1 hour during busy times and you'd get your shit done. My permit and license shit took 45-60 minutes each. You'd walk up to the counter once you were called, give them your information and shit, then pay and be transferred over to the pic booth and wait another 10 or so minutes for your picture to be taken

Now, you wait an hour for your number to be called, give them your information, sit down, wait another hour, get your picture taken, sit down, wait another hour, pay, then finally leave

Even the employees there fucking hated the system. The gov't put the focus on servicing as many people as possible but by doing so they basically shot themselves in the fucking foot by not giving the employees any time to actually process the information. The gov't here fucked it big time

>>379562007
Having too many NPCs takes away from individuals just look at asscreed.

That's the point, the city was dead.

City 17

Donwall

Liberty City from GTA III

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Guys, you're overlooking the most interactive town in existence

>>379568197
You're stuck in 2013.

The PS4 has better specs than 85% of steam users.

PC is holding back graphics now.

>>379575384
>sonybros are really this dumb

>>379575494
From the horse's mouth, retard.

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/directx/

>>379575797
He didn't say it's not true, he said you're dumb.
It doesn't matter what spec most people on PC have because PC games have this thing called "graphics settings". So people with shit hardware can scale down while people with powerful hardware can play on extreme settings.
It's not an excuse for shit graphics.

Is Witcher 3 the only open world game where towns and cities actually feel like towns and cities?

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>>379553105
comfy overloaded

>>379576048
Most games set in a single big city feel fine.

>>379576048
No.

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Nah, mate.
It's still pretty good though. Wish there had been more stuff to do in the northern district.

>>379553105
Oxenfurt had better music

>>379562492
I'll never forget xbox's loading times for morrowind.
Every time i died i just stopped playing.

>>379553105
You can't even talk with any npc and has no level design at all.

>>379561065
>>379557668
>>379561065
Don't be dumb, the norse had plenty of medium sized cities.

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Memes aside, it was comfy as fuck.

>>379555910
Bullshit. I was pretty much raised on Gothic 1 and 2 and I loved every Witcher game.

>>379571913
The whole expansion pack has so many references to culture irl.

>>379553105
I like Novigrad, but the first time you get there with everything leading up to finding Dandelion and even some of the stuff after that is just such a boring slog it's become "that part" of the game for me. I've been replaying the game for the third time and it almost makes me want to just stop. It's more to do with the quests than the city itself though.

>>379564271
It is very simple. He was the bull in that relationships.

>>379553105
>It's big
>there's nothing to do but going from a NPC's blabla to another in the most boring an dlongest side-quest ever

This is the worse thing I have ever played.

>>379553264
fuck this shit, remember morrowind cities?

>>379562350
>>379562481
good point indeed
even my wife and older relatives appreciated that stuff
game was boring piece of shit tho

>>379564208
damn, you're right

>>379579575
>wife

Dakis don't count

>>379579065

2/10 made me reply

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>>379553105

For me it certainly is. Always wanted to experience a real medieval city in a video game, not just a small village or some pre-rendered backgrounds (as in Lindblum).

As a city i probably like Liberty City in GTA4 more, but you just have to give huge respect to CDPR for incorporating the city so well into the landscape.

Also: >mfw slowly walking towards the city from the Nilfgardian Camp in the southeastern part of Velen

>>379553264
It's been a while since I played them, but isn't the Imperial City like three times the size of Whiterun?

>>379579879
Yes, and unlike Shitgrad it has actual npc's instead of static one-liner generators and generic merchants.

>>379579960
>static one-liner generators and generic merchants
That's full cast of any Bethesda game.

>>379580029
>I've never played Oblivion ever
You can have actual conversations with NPC's in Oblivion, even guards. Witcher 3 doesn't have this, instead everyone you talk to you can only do so they can shit out quests, or deliver one-liners as you pass by like le funny drunk man XD

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>>379562092
best city
best game

Bloodstone from fable 2

>>379580194
>hear "do you get to the could district very often?" for the 12435th time
>oh wow the actual conversations in this game are amazing
Nigger you're off the charts.
The couple of lines they throw at random NPCs like guards, to satisfy fags like you these days, hardly count as "actual conversations"

TW3 did it right, by realizing that you simply have nothing to talk to with random peasants, unless they actually have something interesting to say, meaning some quest relevance. Not to mention that the amount of people in TW3 are about a hundred times the numbers of TES games making the "actual conversations" limited to quest givers still more than in any TES.

Stormwind and pre-change Orgrimmar were pretty GOAT.
Ironforge and Thunder Bluff get points for maximum cozy/comfy.

It's very pretty but fuckall is happening in it and a bunch of repeating animations aren't impressive.

>>379579065
This is the worse spelling I have ever witnessed

is Witcher 3 an interesting game? sadly, i dropped the first two

>>379580528
>hear "do you get to the could district very often?" for the 12435th time
So you didn't play it, good to know. Oblivion doesn't have a Cloud District dumbass, that's Skyrim. Get your games right


>TW3 did it right, by realizing that you simply have nothing to talk to with random peasants, unless they actually have something interesting to say, meaning some quest relevance. Not to mention that the amount of people in TW3 are about a hundred times the numbers of TES games making the "actual conversations" limited to quest givers still more than in any TES.

Witcher 3 did it right by making every NPC a quest dispenser with zero depth to them and no means of finding out what kind of person they were because they were static shits with the same routine and otherwise appeared only once in those little ? map markers for you to chase. I can't remember a single NPC from Witcher 3 that wasn't quest related or part of the main story.

>>379553264
Edoras wasn't even the best city in the book.

>>379575923
Keep in mind most of the people (and probably more those with higher end pcs) don't partake in hardware surveys.

>>379580738
>unironically defending TES NPCs
nigger please. cloud district is just an example of how TES handles NPCs.
Also the rest of your comment is nonsense. Saying they have zero depth to them is absolutely ridiculous. As is the claim that theres no means of finding out what kind of person they are, since most sidequests are literally about the people involved.

I'm sorry to give you this reality check but in 2017, people simply don't care anymore about NPCs who have a couple of throwaway lines for your "CYOA" entertainment, mixed with "oh look, he's reading this book!" bullshit.
Everybody knows that the NPCs in TES are the worst and most forgettable example of NPCS in modern gaming. Literally peasants that don't have a single line are more memorable in TW3 than quest related NPCs are in TES games.
And every other NPC that even has a single line shits all over the shitty TES structure.
Like that couple that complains about you storming in and throwing the door open, everytime you enter their house.

TES NPCs don't even seem like real people. Its like you're in a creepy amusement park with animatronics lmao.

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>>379564208
came here for

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>>379581184
For staying away from

>>379581117
>nigger please. cloud district is just an example of how TES handles NPCs.
I wasn't talking about TES, I was talking about Oblivion, in which every NPC has more routine and depth to them than every NPC in Witcher 3 combined. Most sidequests in Witcher 3 devolve to chasing red floating lines around the map while mumbling to yourself like an autist, or generic "events" in the form of question marks where absolutely nothing changes.

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:City-Swimmer

An example of just 1 NPC in Oblivion who already has more to them than any of the one-liner delivery services in Novigrad or Oxenfurt. Go on, name a few memorable Witcher 3 NPC's who aren't related to the main quest in any way.

>>379553534
What's that fucking pier?
It wasn't in the game.

>>379555910
That's just not true, I played Gothic II on release and played all other PB games since then.

>>379581239
I legit didn't enter on my first playthrough.

>>379581392
>I wasn't talking about TES, I was talking about Oblivion,
Hmm
>in which every NPC has more routine and depth to them than every NPC in Witcher 3 combined.
lol
>Go on, name a few memorable Witcher 3 NPC's who aren't related to the main quest in any way.
Do you have any reading comprehension at all? Look at my first comment. Nobody cares about random NPCs that are forgettable. Thats the whole point. Nothing TES does makes those NPCs better in any way. A normal peasant thats simply walking to the fields in the morning and to the tavern in the evening in TW3 is a much better example of NPCs done right that those literal handful of NPCs with "routine" and """"character""" that you can count with two hands in TES.
TW3 NPCs have the effort of being life like enough in routine and appereance that the game can focus on stories for quests, rather than feeling the need to enhance those shitty animatronics in TES with shitty routines and ""backstories" nobody cares about, since they have no relevance whatsoever.

>>379553264
>elder scrolls village
>best city
No way in hell those games will ever provide something that can even remotely regarded as good city.
>>379558303
Beauclair is the right answer.

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>>379562247
they had a clear hub design concept that stands true to this day, two good games in a row weren't a fluke, plus risen was also a good game.

>>379577654
>i liked gothic but i also enjoyed witcher, a game where webm related happens ALL THE TIME

don't lie to me you fucking shill

no one who likes gothic can possibly like witcher.

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>>379553105
Vizima is.

>>379581745
>no one can like more than one thing
wew

>>379581651
Except those quests aren't stories are they? Half of them involve reading a note then opening a chest two feet away with underpowered loot or chasing a reskinned Basilisk to a "den". You still haven't provided an example of an actual named NPC in any of those cities, because the reality is that they're all there to provide services or spout shit as you walk past them. You can't learn anything more about them because they only exist to make the city feel bigger.

You can spawn a fucking NPC in Oblivion via console who can only say "rumours" and they still have more to them than the Witcher 3 NPC's in Novigrad. Witcher 3 NPC's are "lifelike" by repeating the same lines every time you travel to their location and having the same face mesh?

>>379559385
>they didn't build any during their golden age.
literally dublin

>>379553105
my vote goes to the city of Baldur's Gate

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>>379581745
Oh look who it is.

>>379581745
>two good games in a row weren't a fluke
They were okay at best. Most of the quests were shitty fetch quest and the only redeemable quality that people still talk about and remember is the openness of the game.
And risen was shit.

>>379582063
>some mad witcher cuck made this

lmao

>>379581745
Risen 1 was above average and was pretty much just Gothic 2 rebranded.
Risen 2 and 3 were pretty fucking naff

>>379562350
It's exactly the same as Novigrad but bigger and another setting, so I agree.
At least Syndicate's London looks pretty unlike Novigrad.

>>379576095

>drug infested shithole reeking of Mexican ass sweat

Yeah no

>>379553105
lol no

except pointless quests there's absolutely nothing to do in that heap of garbage

nothing you do there actually matters, they could have skipped on making the city and the story/game would have remained the same

>>379582787
This. Novigrad is where the game died and never recovered.

>>379571916
>perspective
no. he's right. you're actually retarded

>>379582843
>think that these interactions with crime lords, ambassadors and clerics are all part of some greater pieces of a complex puzzle which will decide if Novigrad sides with Radovid of Nilfgaard and be one of the main factors in the war (along with Skelige factor), and it will all end in some epic siege and battle on Novigrad

Lol nope, the war is decided by one fucking quest, and the finale is taking 10 steps in some fucking hallway Island.

>>379582787
So what matters in a city outside of quests and traders/craftsmen?

>>379583112
And everything in Novigrad was a waste of time

>>379583112
>The game didn't do what I wanted so it sucks
k

>>379553105
>>379553264
Novigrad > Boston > whiteballs

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>>379583826
forgot pic

>>379582063
stay mad witchercuck

>Like both Gothic and Witcher
>Laugh at cucks trying to make it so one side is better than the other when they're both extremely good.

Best feeling

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The right answer is "The City" from the Thief series.

It's spiritual successor, Dunwall, comes in close second.

>>379584461
It's falseflagging, the guy shitting on Witcher doesn't actually like Gothic. He wants to make both sides seem bad because he's a Bethesdrone.

>>379571595
I agree with you on Liberty City, but I never felt so small like in Los Santos. Both games had great maps

>>379580738
>I can't remember a single NPC from Witcher 3 that wasn't quest related or part of the main story.

exactly, do you remember every person you walk by unless you actually have a conversation with them?

It's no VNTE-HueCity

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