The great debate

>>379548416
lugia is better looking

Red = Blue
Silver > Gold
Ruby = Sapphire
Pearl > Diamond
White > Black
X = Y
Moon > Sun

>>379548416
Silver/SS > Gold/HG

Ho-oh's design was always shit.

Gold because you meet Ho-oH first and so spend less time hunting for a shiny.

gold

>seeing ho-oh in the TV show

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>>379548416
Take it to /vp/, dumbass.

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A challenger appears.

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this game had some good as fuck remixes

>>379548860
what gaem is it anon

Polished Crystal

>>379548707
Music started in my head immediately
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBlWL4_LsnI
>>379548860
Shit, I remember when I got that - my Grandmother took me to a going-out-of-business sale for a Toys-r-Us and said she'd buy me any game I wanted. GOOD STUFF, I LOVE TETRIS ATTACK

Whichever one had Teddiursa.

>>379549005
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsLznEur-zU
Pokemon Puzzle Challenge, you silly

>>379548416
Gold = 1st place
Silver = 2nd place

Gold > Silver

Silver, but Gen 2 is shit

>>379549847
Gen 2 is the only generation of pokemon games worth playing
>when you clear the map and find out you get to go through the whole of johto as well
I mean holy fuck, that's easily the greatest design decision in vidya history

>datamining thread
You will never find me

>>379548416
silver has better sprites and lugia>ho-oh

>>379549847
Clearly bait. Gen 2 is the best generation and it will NEVER be topped. In fact it's the greatest video game sequel of all time.
*added night and day system
*added color
*added the ability to rechallenge trainers/gym leaders
*added shiny pokemon
*added 100 new pokemon that were actually good
*added a whole new reigon
*8 new gym leaders
*could go back to Kanto and get the original badges
*added movement animations on the sprites (crystal)
*added a female character (crystal)
*added remixed/original music
*could fight Red on Mt. Silver
*could capture all original legendary Pokémon (excluding mew)
*balanced psychic types
*remakes are even better
No sequel can even top what this generation did.

>>379548597
Pretty much.
If Gold had the Heart Gold cover, I might've bought that one first.

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>>379548416

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I've always gone with red/warm color, while my brother always got the blue/cool color.

Gold is better
why the heck is lugia in a cave underwater
plus the sprites in silver are like babies

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>>379548416
Neither

Crystal is by far the best version.

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>>379548416
>mfw people ACTUALLY decide which game they pick based on a legendary they will never use in their team.
You pick games based on exclusive pokemon and in the case of GS you ALSO pick game based on sprite art.
Which means the superior game in these two aspects...is.. gold

>>379548416
Crystal > Gold = Silver >>>>>>>>>>>>>> HG = SS

Someone should post the GS sprite comparisons

Saving Hitmonlee for last, of course

I like Gold for Growlithe
Silver for Skarmory
Though Silver is more worth it since the fucking Fire Stone is difficult to get

>Red > Blue (Oddish, Scyther, Electabuzz > Bellsprout, Magmar, Pinsir)
>Silver > Gold (Lugia, Vulpix > Ho-Oh, Growlithe)
>Ruby > Sapphire (Groudon, Seedot, Mawile > Kyogre, Lotad, Sableye)
>Pearl > Diamond (Slowpoke, Houndour, Glameow > Seel, Poochyena, Stunky -- I prefer Dialga to Palkia, though)
>White > Black (Petilil, Solosis > Cottonee, Gothita -- I like the legendaries about equally, but Reshiram being on N's side suits the storyline best)
>Y > X (Mega Zard Y, Mega Mewtwo Y, Larvitar, Skrelp, Yveltal > Mega Zard X, Mega Mewtwo X, Aron, Clauncher, Xerneas)
>Sun > Moon (Alolan Vulpix, Passimian, Turtonator, Solgaleo > Alolan Sandshrew, Oranguru, Drampa, Lunala)

R8 my taste, dudes
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>>379551092
>>mfw people ACTUALLY decide which game they pick based on a legendary they will never use in their team.
>a legendary they will never use

Says who? Pic related, my bro.

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>>379551219
>he used kyogre

>>379549792
>tfw no bronze version

>>379551092
>NOT using the legendary
Look at this silly willy.

>>379548416
Ho-oH is so goddamn Legendary that there's canonically just even on the Anime

>>379551096
HG/SS are far superior from the original in a lot of very important ways. Not including cosmetic things like graphics/pokemon following you
*Sprint
*Better Cellphone
*Sp.Atk/Atk split
*Internet connection(when it came out rip)

>>379551092

I missed when there was different sprites.

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>>379548598
This is the official best taste ranking

>>379551652
Yea, it's already strange seeing the same 3d models again for 3 releases now. It'd be better if they didn't look so desaturated, and had more personality like the Stadium models.

>>379548416
One thing bothers me a lot.
In the very first episode of Pokemon we see Ho Oh (flying bird pokemon) at the end, before the credits, but it was never one of the 151 pokemon. So what was the point of showing it?

>>379551967

I think their transition to 3D was kind of a downgrade. They could have tried to do a more cell-shaded 2.5D sprites. I feel like every Pokemon has no personality or emotion or they don't try to.

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>>379551967
>and had more personality like the Stadium models.
Yeah. That's one thing that really bothers me. Their animations now are so bland. They had more spunk in the Stadium games.

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>>379548416
Silver is better because that's the only way you can get Lugia with Aeroblast. It also has better exclusives.
Ironically, though, Gold is my favorite color between the two. Up until DP my choice was based on color, except Gen II.

inb4 crystal

http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=373172
This one wins.

>>379550060
You mean Kanto and it wasn't worth having 2 half assed regions.

It was like 1.25 regions

>>379548692
pokemon videogames are allowed to be talked about on /v/ because they're videogames

/vp/ isn't a containment board, its just a place to talk about EVERYTHING pokemon, not just the games. You'll notice that unlike /mlp/, it never says anywhere in the rules that /vp/ is the only place you're allowed to talk about pokemon, just that you can't talk about non-pokemon on /vp/

>>379550714
>>379550929
What makes it so?

>>379550929
>more cutscenes
>first game where you're railroaded into catching the box legend

I don't think so. Gold and Silver are better

>>379550929
>cant even get mareep in it

it's shit

Silver had better sprites imo, but in that sense crystal was better.

Crystal > Soul Silver = JP Silver > Silver > Gold > Heart Gold = JP Gold

>>379548416
silver because lugia is hot

>>379548416
Silver!

>>379548416
https://www.serebii.net/gs/exclusives.shtml

Silver had Donphan and Skarmory. In HGSS it's the reverse so pick silver for the color games.

>>379551967
yeah the need more emotive loops.

Crystal

>>379551345
Kyogre was the god king of ubers until gen 6. Gen 4 made him even more busted with specs.

>>379550562
>main region was tiny
>secondary original region was rushed as fuck

HG/SS were perfect

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>>379551185
>mawile>sableye

fuck you dude, fuck you right to hell.

I've always gone for the "blue" version save for Pearl and Omega Ruby. Probably sticking with Silver because of that.

>>379552559
gold had better exclusives imo. teddiursa is literally the cutest little dude and donphan fucking sucked. his moveset was absolute shit.

also delibird was a shit gimmick

>>379549075
Has he made it so he isn't just swaping pokemon out for newer ones?

>>379552559
This, but in this generation where trading is super easy i say it doesn't really matter too much.

>tfw more excited for the VC releases of these than USM

>>379548416
Silver has better sprites

>>379556892
Are you high? Just give Donphan Curse and Earthquake, or just EQ, he's a monster.
Skarmory's not that good for an ingame run but it's cool as shit.

>>379550770
You sound like my brother, but there's no way he goes on 4chan :^( it's just a common sibling thing ithink

>>379548598
Why is Pearl better than Diamond? Dont remember much about the exclusives.

>>379557678
>>379557765
I sense that whoever made these was hungry for some toast

>>379550562
dont forget:
>decorating your room (the pre cursor ro Secret Bases)
>added bag pouches so everything is more organized
>HMs without having to use it from your pokemon's moves, you can just press A on the thing
>breeding

>>379551809
>>379548598

>White with the easy mode is better than Black

WEW LAD

>>379559364
only because Salamence was the "it" pokemon at the time but you still got ou mons like scizor and tyranitar if you went with diamond.

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>>379559364
I looked it up myself. Diamond is way better

>>379560090
I dunno, they look about even to me.
>Slowbro/king vs Scizor
>Tyranitar vs Salamence
Either way you're missing out on some cool mons.

>>379550714
>no mareep
>no super early heracross to fuck whitney in the ass

2/10 apply yourself

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The real debate is the inner struggle realizing a game that got you into gaming will be a digital download "classic" on a game system.

>tfw time is speeding up and death is getting closer and you cant control it

>>379560298
>not using said mareep to Twave whitney's team

I dont even think Heracross gets any fighting moves that early, at least not in gen 2

>>379560270
just get platinum if you wanna replay that gen. So many improvements

>>379559364
I like Mismagius and Purgly. Sadly then I miss out on Rampardos for still-cute-but-not-a-huge-fan Bastiodon.

>>379560298
i like the animations of Crystal. They actually have more frames than Emerald

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>>379560443
>actually gave Flint a fire type team, made the others better as well
>that third, tough Cyrus fight
>better main female outfit
True that, Platinum is the king of gen 4.

>>379551092
silver raichu looks condescending

>not catching paras in silver, evolving it and pretend it's a cute shy anime girl

literally why even play the fucking game then

>>379560029
White > Black
Black 2 > White 2
The sequels were the ones that let you change the difficulty, and I'm still angry that Game Freak always has to remove neat features like that.

>>379548416
In usability? Lugia was better then, but Ho-Oh is far better now (Lugia is simply too weak and Ho-Oh has a better ability).
In looks? I don't really like either, but I prefer Ho-Oh mostly because Lugia has an extremely awkward design. Ho-Oh is bland but Lugia is bad, at least on the cover.
In games? Same game, barely any differences.

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>>379560387
it doesn't.

>>379548416

>never had a GBC
>wanted to play G/S
>all the marketing showed it in color played on GBCs so I thought it was GBC-only and never bothered to ask for it for Christmas
>ended up never picking up Pokemon again and could never get interested in it in future generations
>a couple years ago I'm telling someone this and they reveal that Pokemon G/S weren't GBC exclusive and ran just fine on regular Game Boys

I've never been so pissed in my life.

>>379560752
the days when everything got only normal moves ft special guest appearance by single STAB move sucked

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>>379551185
>mawile > sableye
Delete your existence.

>>379560837
Better than getting 120 BP moves via move reminders at level 10, powerful coverage if you cough up enough pokeshekels to some blackbelt in the mark and breaking the game once you get any of the best reusable TMs, earthquake/tbolt/surf/ice beam/flamethrower.

Red
Crystal
Sapphire
Diamond
White
X
Moon

>>379561053
The fuck are you talking about?

>>379551092

Why the fuck wouldn't you use the legendary? Are you some kind of autismo compfag who hates fun?

>>379560303
>tfw you have an existential crisis from the second worst generation of Pokemon games

>>379561059
Red, Silver, Ruby, Pearl, White, Y, Sun.

>>379560803
Well if you have a 3DS you can make up for lost time starting this fall. But for SOME REASON, they're arbitrarily excluding Crystal and that's the one I've been waiting for.

>>379553469
What? Catching Suicune is completely optional, as far as I remember.

>>379561053
They literally always save the best TMs for the end of the game though, and are you seriously saying that having them be reusable is bad? Do you enjoy pointless tedium in your games? And it's not like the game gives you infinite money, buying an expensive TM early in the game usually leaves you broke unless you're farming for cash.

>>379561221
Not him but pride i guess, your legendary could be level 30 and the final boss' pokes be level 70 and they still wouldn't scratch you while you OHKO in return.

>>379560837
Its weird, unless you were a starter or one of the lucky few, this is absolutely true. Now, every pokemon has STAB moves early, but there isnt enough type diversity early in the games anymore to really have it matter. That, coupled with every trainer having easy to beat pokemon makes this way too easy, even with Game Freaks lackluster AI (which got way better in SuMo, hopefully that continues), but you dont really feel connected with your pokemon anymore with the Exp Share. And there arent enough pokemon in the wild early on to want to explore to find a lot, and the areas arent really that big to accommodate the want to explore. A lot of the areas in later games were really cool and looked great, but everything was just too small. This is actually something XY did well for the most part; areas were large and filled with variety until the second half where Game Freak accidentally fit Fast Forward on the pacing.
I feel like the good pokemon need to be made really rare from the get-go so you have to explore to get a good team, and that would be a good way to level up and balance it out. Keep the thing ORAS had on the bottom screen, I think it was called Dexnav. That was a great system we'll never see again that encouraged exploring and clearing out the routes. No other game had a good reason to want to complete the dex.

>>379561401

The thing is now I don't have the time or patience for JRPGs, so it won't be the same. I accept that the time is past, but I just wonder what my life would have become if I'd known I could play G/S on my Game Boy and gone ahead with getting it for Christmas.

>>379561485
So we're just telling lies out here, alright.

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>>379550714
I used to think like that, but

>Crystal's Lugia doesn't have Aeroblast
>Crystal's Ho-oh doesn't have Sacred Fire

>>379561527
I think every pokemon should have a decently usable stab attack early enough. It's not any fun when you're just using Tackle for the first 4 hours of the game.

>>379561485

Hey, I caught that legendary. I earned it and I deserve to wipe the floor with my enemies' weak-ass pokemon.

>>379561401
Japanese Crystal had online features using a cell phone the game is notably gimped without over there, so it'll take more work getting either A) the JP version reworked like the international one was or B) getting the online services working one way or another and then restoring them in the international version. And if the latter is the case no way they wouldn't want to delay it since it'd make the games so much better than GS.

>>379561401
when Red/Blue were revealed for virtual console on 3DS, I'm sure they made no mention of Yellow until later. So perhaps Crystal could still come? Or is it to do with something ROM specific?

>HGSS are objectively better than GSC
How do you feel about the above statement? I'm not sure I agree with it.

>>379561646
No, they announced all three at the same time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DNf66hfywM
>>379561638
Makes sense I suppose.

>>379551092
>talking shit about Guy Fieri Poliwhirl

>>379561485
Nigger, it's pokemon. The game is piss easy unless you go to the E4 with a team of caterpies

>>379561527
>the areas arent really that big to accommodate the want to explore.

I felt this hard when I played Moon. The whole game just felt like a garden path with zero deviations or places to really explore. I blame the portable console stifling it and would LOVE to see a truly exploration-filled console Pokemon game on the Switch or something.

>>379561739
While it's definitely an improvement in a lot of ways, it's not objectively better. For one, I prefer most of the original music to the remixes, only the original music in HGSS are good like the Ho-oh and Lugia themes

>>379552559
But besides Ursaring=Donphan and Skarmory>Mantine, gold has far better exclusives

>>379561883
I get wanting to make the Islands smaller to have pacing improve by having them interconnect, but those routes were tiny, and the dungeons were way too small. That forest trial was a great zone, but it was miniscule. Hell, all the trials were way too small. If they were going to remove Gyms, the trials should have been way larger because it didnt have to be confines to a small building anymore.

Why has Gamefreak been unable to top gen 2?

>>379548416

I always wondered, what does that weird blue logo just above the version name mean?

>>379561925
For me there's just something about the Gen 2 sprites that's appealing. I can't explain it, ever since I was a kid I liked them.

>>379561883
Region design in general has gotten more and more linear starting with BW1, and they stated with that game in particular it was so that little chilluns wouldn't get lost like they did in DPPt according to complaints sent to them in Japan and it's easier to tell a story when you're railroaded. I don't think it's just Game Freak wrestling with the 3DS hardware, there's some active design choices too.

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>>379561925
Color Palatte as well. HG/SS dont hold a candle to the aesthetic of the originals

>>379562079
How many sequels in any game franchise can really come close to all the improvements and new additions that gen 2 did for Pokemon?

>>379562071
>the trials should have been way larger because it didnt have to be confines to a small building anymore.

It would have been cool to have a trial that spanned an entire island somehow.

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>>379561739
Objectively I'd say yes but the original versions sprite work, music, and general aesthetics warrant playing them and stand on their own separate from the remake, like most HD remakes.

>>379548416
Lugia > Ho-Oh

Ninteles > Arcanine

Persian < Primeape

Ariados = Ledian

Delibird > Gligar

Ursaring > Donphan

Skarmory > Mantine


Silver is way better.

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>>379552559
>tfw always liked Ledian but he's been trash since day one with no help

>>379561925
There is an item you get in kento that changes all music and sound in the game to its original form. Its end game but still.

>>379562214
Arcanine > Ninetales
Donphan > Ursaring
In what universe is Delibird useful, I got a shiny one in SoulSilver and it's a joke even with TMs.
Other than that, spot on.

>>379562149
While BW was more Linear, the areas were at least large and felt like you were exploring. Caves were large and long, like they were in the originals. routes were much longer and wider, although they did have the healing NPCs in them.

>>379561739
Objectively so, like enemy teams and sheer content, sure, but I really love GSC for subjective matters like music and visual direction, and HGSS personally doesn't live up to GSC in those departments at all. There's some issues with writing changes I take too.

Also Crystal has the best encounter tables for my personal taste. It's the only Johto game that all six of my favorites from 152~251 are available without trading, and the only one of the five games that one of them doesn't have a fucking 1% encounter rate.

There's no beating Ho-oh's remix in Gen 4.

It and Distortion World Giratina are probably the two best legendary themes in the series.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2Hs4s9LLVg

Man, the traditional Japanese aesthetic was great in G/S/C but they really updated it masterfully and enhanced it in HG/SS

>>379551967
Every single Pokemon game through Battle Revolution that had 3D battling blows the 3DS models out of the water.

What's a good Kanto team to build inthe gen 2 games?

Supposedly Starmie is still the best water type, while Tauros is no longer the dominant force it was in gen 1

>>379561429
You might be right. I remember that were forced into a battle against Suicune, but I'm not so sure now.

are we asking too much for these pokemon games to be released on Switch?

>>379562284
In the newer titles it was confirmed that Ledian was shit on purpose.

>>379562930
Yes.

>>379562557
Ho-oh is definitely number 1. Number 2 is definitely up for debate. While Giratina's is great, this is its competition
Suicune: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exG220Mur04
Deoxys: https://youtu.be/Z8LZruXvong
BW Legend theme: https://youtu.be/zW5dGzKT1y4

>>379562284
Reminder that Ledian is like that on purpose and even the games acknowledge it.
>"In battle, it throws punches with all four arms. The power of each individual blow is piddly, so it aims to win by quantity rather than quality."

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>>379563034
The legendary beasts tune from crystal has some quality to it that never translated into the later version(s). Excellent tastes

>>379562849
Jolteon
Nidoking
Starmie
Snorlax
Machamp
Gengar

>>379563121
>gf makes pokemon shit as a joke
>meanwhile mega rayquaza exists

>>379548416
Pokemon Crystal was my first GBC game. good times

>>379562849
Typhlosion
Noctowl
Espeon
Heracross
Ampharos
Gyrados

This is by no means a good team but those are my favorite Gen 2 Pokemon (and Gyrados) and my team always ends up looking similar to this when I play through

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>>379562134
Absolutely, I love it when artists replicate that style.

>>379554714
>>379560298
Mareep? Why Mareep is so important?

>>379563379
i meant Kanto mon only

btw wasn't gyarados shit in Gen 2?
>no longer has high special attack
>prior to physical/special split

>>379563172
The GBC sound chip just sounds so much better than the DS or GBA. The bass is still clear, and the lack of many layers really allows each line to stand out. Any of the GBA versions of a track are butchered. This is the clearest example:
RBY: https://youtu.be/toNSuhgBKN8
FrLg: https://youtu.be/2T0pG8PKhBU

Which is a real shame because the instrumentation in FrLg is good, but the sound fonts they had to work with just suck

>>379563481
It's good to have an Electric type early on, and everyone loves Ampharos. Damn shame you can't get it until AFTER the Flying Gym though.

>>379563524
Yeah everything on the GBA sounds like ass. The remix of the champion theme is just unforgivable.

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>>379563429

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>>379563481
>cute
>highly useful
>literally the only other electric types introduced in the gen are Chinchou's line/elekid/fucking Raikou
>obtainable very early and stays good the entire game
>can be used as a pseudo Fire type in gen 2 due to Fire Punch

>>379563627
>everything on the GBA sounds like ass
Hey now, let's not just the gun.
https://youtu.be/OKVrafnnu0Y
https://youtu.be/5XbAj4xMCWA
https://youtu.be/jaUQM4TC9wg

I agree that all the remixes are complete dick though.

>>379563274
>small ladybug is weak
>divine dragon's powered up form is overpowered as shit
Seems fine to me. Would you rather the legendary dragon's ultimate form shtick to be weak as fuck and every ladybug you run into in the grass be a god slaying demonoid?

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>>379563723
I forgot about Fire Punch, never bothered with it because I always pick best starter.

>>379563779
None of if does anything for me man. I can't stand gen 3's sound. I didn't know I liked any RSE music until the remakes.

>>379563723
Also has a great design and localized name.
>anagram of Ampere (unit of measuting electric currents)
>based on the novel Do Androids Dream of Electric Cheep

>>379563508
My fault didn't read your post right.
Jolteon
Starmie
Arcanine
Gengar
Machamp
Aerodactyl

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>>379559614
>breeding

Man, I'm playing through Crystal right now and not having a Pokemon with Heat Body/Flame Armor to speed hatching up is painful.

>>379563779
RSE works well because it fully goes into the Horn/Strings sound with a killer backing Bass and Drum sound.

>>379563840
Anon I do not think you comprehend just how awful Ledian is.

>>379564169
Exactly, if you listen to the ORAS version of the champion theme it just sounds so weak by comparison.

>>379563840
>ledian has 35 attack
>joltik, literally THE smallest pokemon in the game, has like 47

>>379564270
I know I don't.

>>379561925
The Champion battle theme is hype personified. I still get goose bumps when I hear it.

>>379564270
I do, but I'm saying that it was a poor comparison.
A better one would be something like Vivillon vs Ledian. Vivillon is a supposedly weak butterfly but is actually decent in combat. Ledian is weak and based on something weak.
Rayquaza is obviously incredibly powerful and based off a legendary monster in fiction, plus it has the power to stop beings intended to represent the solid and liquid elements of the planet in their tracks. And it's powered up.

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>>379563873
>Typhlosion
My fucking nigga

>>379564327
ORAS was just weak in every aspect aside from the DexNav I mentioned earlier. It felt bad. having full movement on a world that was clearly designed on a grid with no angles or curves felt really weird. EXP share broke that game which was actually somewhat fixed on SuMo somehow, i was at the perfect level for the champion fight without ever grinding aside from looking for a few pokemon. All of my friends felt this way, and it was weird because Hoenn was a lot of their favorite regions and we all had to force ourselves to finish it. and they just gave away mega Lati@s, that really killed my desire to play it.

>>379561925
I dont know how you can hate the remixes in HGSS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8ZzcBEIudY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBIPHpy3yk0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ38pQAOzr8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdqNzFd86vc

It's just such a good sound, and the graphics and music adapt that rustic Japanese aesthetic to DS just so well.

>>379564387
Yeah but >>379564496
He was comparing something that could plausibly be weak vs something that was inconceivable to be weak within the universe it was made in.

>>379564270
But it's supposed to be. It's a cute dud, like Delibird or Spinda.

>>379564702
What you posted are all great examples actually, I guess "most of the music" is an exaggeration. It's mostly the battle themes that I kind of hate the remixes of, they just feel so weak compared to the originals.
If I had to describe it, I would say that they feel too flourishy with instruments, they completely lack the bombastic feel of fighting a gym leader or especially the champion. A lot of the town and route music is great though, I agree.

>>379564702
Ekruteak is an improvement, but lets not kid ourselves about National Park. Perfection in comfy
https://youtu.be/2XjouKSkSeM

what makes crystal better than gold/silver? Do the battle animations make much difference?

>>379565035
It adds a great feel to battles seeing them move. Remixed pokemon placement so you can get some way earlier than normal and adds greater variety, seeing Suicene appear in some sports in the overworld for the first time are really cool, Kris is literal perfection but really, her design is great and really pops in the overworld. The Suicune plot is cool seeing an actual attempt at a legendary based pokemon story, and the unown ruins are remixed slightly and added secrets to them.

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>>379563034
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exG220Mur04

>be a kid
>hear this theme as the battle starts

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>>379564992
I definitely like both but those high notes are fucking sublime on the GB, you're right.

>>379564771
That's the problem though they go on and on with this "win with your favorites" stuff and then make some of them too shit to use.

>>379564992
in addition to that, Buena's Password is a severe downgrade. real shame, because its the best track in the game.

Crystal: https://youtu.be/5CRtNGzbq_c
HGSS: https://youtu.be/W4NVfN59yMA

Although, I'll accept Lucky Channel, Dark Cave, National Park, or Battle Tower as challengers

>>379565236
i really with Crystal would get a VC release

>>379565474
the series as a whole is at odds with the "win with your favorites" thing. Some are too shit to even use in game, some are support focused and unusable ingame, and like 90% of pokemon aren't fit for competitive because the bar's so high now. Then you get to the Battle whatever and have to ditch your team and inbreed them to have a chance at using them.

>all these gen2 teams
>no gravelers
i always have a graveler when i play through silver. you can catch geodude on like the second route and it singlehandedly wins like 6 gyms.
also graveler is one of my favourite mons. golem is stupid-looking by comparison so i never evolve it

>>379565474
It's been that way since Karen first said her speech. Before that even.
Legendaries like Mewtwo wouldn't really be "legendary" if something like Farfetch'd could beat him in a one on one battle.
Nothing is equal, there will always be a "best" in battle for games like Pokemon, who have such an enormous amount of selectable party members that they can't make them all equally usable like in games with standard classes/characters.

>>379548416
Silver, because you get Ho-oh at level 70 and not 40

Can't fucking wait to get some HA beasts, Raiku is the best mono electric beyond Electivire.

Silver also has the better exclusives imo.

>>379565513
Here are links because good pokemon threads on /v/ are few and far between

Lucky Channel: https://youtu.be/a9DJRhRuG3o
Dark Cave: https://youtu.be/IXqmIkCYOSM
National Park: https://youtu.be/Pk4azyKVJJA
Battle Tower: https://youtu.be/wL64aRy7CWU

>>379565632
I'm shocked it didn't. Yellow was released with Red and Blue, so why not crystal?

>>379565685
Geodude's line is ugly as sin, i'd never put that on my team.

>>379550562
Most gen 2 pokemon were awful. /v/ jacks off so much over gen 2 that I expect a bit of disappointment when you all actually replay it.

>>379565746
but you cant get Sacred Fire that way.

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>want to use houndour but it's in kanto

>>379565784
Because Crystal is the best, where Yellow is more of a gimmick version. Nobody would buy GS when they could get Crystal. By delaying its release they can get spergs like me to buy Gold or Silver, and then Crystal down the line.

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>>379565650
>Max IV and EV-trained Pokemon are pretty much mandatory for postgame battle facilities.
>GF wonders why most people don't bother with them.

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>>379565893
Thats why I'm an HGSS guy
>Grab the Pokewalker
>Stick it in the bottom of my sock
>Shake, shake, shake, senora
>Get a murkrow for my first playthrough

>>379565979
You forgot

>literally all progress is lost if you lose even once
>the ai loves luck based strategies
>even if said strats have a 1% chance to work, over a long enough streak it WILL happen
>have to do it all over again
>it's the same shit every fucking gen, boring 3v3 singles until the end of time

Mt Battle at least let you earn continues, if you didn't have a pokemon faint.

>>379565973
>where Yellow is more of a gimmick version
No, yellow definitely cannibalized sales on RB, which is why they're doing a delayed release, Kimishima's gotta milk every cent from the whales you know.

>>379565879
I wouldnt say most. anything can be useful if you want it to be, but design wise, only the hoppip line, Girafig, and Snubbel stick out as bad. Sure, a lot of them arent as good as others, but a lot of them are still usefun in game aside from Furret, Quilfish and Ledian, who just suck

>>379565879
They weren't awful per se, but so many of them felt like filler or rejects that couldn't make it into the first gen. An odd amount of Pokemon that amounted to dex filler. I mean yeah, people have latched onto stuff like Dunsparce or Stantler over the years, but they just felt like they were there in the same way that stuff like Komala does in new titles. Pokemon not many had on their teams that were either easy to miss or undesirable compared to their other options for a lot of kids.

>>379565973
i have a feeling it will eventually release, but then Nintendo may just forget about it. But what i really want is virtual console on Switch, and Nintendo always seems to do the opposite of what i want

>>379565973
Yellow is the best though, it just also happens to be a gimmick version. Charizard can learn fly, Nidoran male can learn double kick at 12 instead of 43, you get all 3 starters, and colored sprites

>>379565979
Its easy as shit to get max IV pokemon now though, and it takes no effort to EV train.

>>379565881
Yes you can. It's the second move he learns

>>379551092

Idk about you but I practically ALWAYS keep the token legendary Pokemon on my team. And my starter. I only evict one or the other if truly necessary.

>>379566254
I thought about getting Red when the VC versions were announced, but Charizard being unable to Fly was a dealbreaker for me.

>>379566254
It was also more expensive than RB, I'm fairly certain. But yeah, it didn't offer significan gameplay additions like hoe Crystal offers the Battle Tower. The postgame in GS is just Red and thats it, no rematches or facilities.

>>379566254
And pikachu can learn surf

>>379566371
>picking charizard

>>379566339

It's easy, yeah, but your "average" Pokemon player probably still wouldn't bother or even be aware of IVs and EVs.

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>>379566418
they were all 10 bucks
>>379566352
nope

>>379565879
Gen II is the only one I always replay yearly, and it has my favorite batch of new Pokemon along with VI. The games are still pretty trashy though, despite how much I love them.

>>379566431
uh not without Stadium, right?

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>>379548416
Silver has both my favorite pokemon (Ninetales and Lugia) as exclusives so this kinda settles the case for me.

>>379548598
Holy shit, are you me?

>>379565650
>>379565719
I don't have a problem with some Pokemon being better than others. I expect that. But I do have a problem with some Pokemon having absolutely no redeeming qualities.

>>379548416

original release is Silver > Gold

remakes is HG > SS

they swapped exclusives around for the remakes (although thats how they were originally supposed to be in the first place the original release was just wrong)

>>379567127
>SS forces you to go to one of the shittiest areas in the game that requires like 5 hm's
>HG gets to go to a tower that needs 0 hm's

>>379566884
Just wait for them to try and use some of their gen 2 faves.

Ledian is god awful, and thats saying something when it shares a gen with some of the weakest pokemon ever made.

>>379567227
I always liked HMs. I liked having to balance out a team with them in mind. it felt weird in SuMo even needeng ride pokemon at all because there was no need to even have them since it was so linear. having them in resolution cave was a waste of time, not a challenge or sacrifice

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>>379567227
>tfw replaying an older gen after SM finally told HMs to fuck off.

Gen 7 has a shitload of problems, but god damn does it feel great not having to constantly swap HM slaves in.

>>379567252
>tfw gen 2 favorites are quagsire/ampharos/espeon

yeah i'll be fine, they're all good

>>379567421
Shame the ride music is the worst song in the series this side of Dragon's Den

>>379567252
I'm the guy that mentioned he liked Ledian earlier and started this shit. I never used him I just liked his design tbqf.

The true tragedy is that Noctowl is one of my all time favorite Pokemon and he has fucking shit stats

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Ho-Oh is much cooler than Lugia.

>>379548707
my nigga

>>379549148
I've been looking for this song for a while! Always gets stuck in my head thanks to years of playing pokemon pinball.

>You'll never play it again staring at a tiny ass LED screen with that shitty rumble pack

Continuting from >>379567417
In gen 4, Mt Cornet was great because you needed all kinds of HMs to get through. It was a real test of balancing a team around movement and combat.
I feel like people's only real issues with HMs is that a lot of them are weak, like Cut Whirlpool, and Rock Climb. If they were decent moves like Strength, Surf, Waterfall, even Fly, there wouldnt be an issue.
If there was a way to replace the Shit HMs with moves that either do decent damage, buff/debuff, or evolve to better moves later in game (cut becomes big cut for larger obstacles at higher levels of the user or something, Surf can deal with whirlpools at high levels, etc). That would be a way better idea than just ditching them altogether. that way you need to balance movement and combat and it still feels good to do it.

>>379567462
Ampharos is pretty bad iirc.

>>379568141
>115 special attack in gen 2
>twave for crippling enemies
>bad

>>379568141
It isn't great, but it has good coverage with the elemental punches being TMs before the Physical/Special Split. 115 isnt a bad SpA stat, but only 55 speed means its gonna take some hits

Its only going to have local trading, right? Not online or anything?

>>379568280
This is GF we're talking about

>>379568280
Maybe if they do Crystal and do something fancy with the Mobile Adapter features Japan had, but otherwise, no, local only.

>>379566138
>hoppip line
>bade design
>implying Hoppip and Jumpfluff aren't fucking adorable

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>>379568659
This.

>>379568659
I like Hoppip's cuteness, but Skiploom and Jumpluff look retarded and ruin it

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>>379565893
>umbreon is the only dark type available before Kanto in GS
>sneasal is also available before Kanto in Crystal, but has garbage special attack and can't use Dark or Ice attacks

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>>379568845
I think its the ears. >>379568801 looks great, but this looks dopey

>>379566138
The only problem I have with the Hoppip line is I like Skiploom the most and it isn't the last stage for usability. Though the line's progression is perfect, so I wouldn't change it for a thing.

Also I used Furret once in HGSS and it worked out fine. Certainly no Delcatty.

>>379568982
Gen 4 was so fucking nice to Sneasel that it's not even funny.

>finally has usable stab
>gets an evo
>gets priority

>Crystal is shit because there's no Mareep
I guess Platinum's shit too since there's no Murkrow

>>379567792
This. Lugia is for edgy children

>>379569214
Crystal doesn't add much. Oh goodie, a battle tower that's in literally every game until the end of time made it's debut here. Wow, i'm impressed.

>>379569139
you can use anything in single player with little issue. I've done a garbage run in crystal a few times and it still worked just fine if you know your types. Qulfish, Furret, Ledian, Hoppip, Yanma and Aipom. thank god for the elemental punches being TMs

>>379569423
>you can use anything in single player with little issue

Wobbuffet says hi

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>>379569349
>Marill is a 5~30% encounter instead of 1%

Crystal is way better.

>>379569507
If i was going to use a marill i'd use it in XY instead

>>379569478
except the guy that literally exists to counterattack and cant attack by himself. and Unown too, although its possible i guess

>>379569507
Mareep is a huge hit, but Tediursa and Phanpy being available before the first gym is great too

>>379569576
Donphan and Ursaring are pretty badass, and they're both a pain to get in Silver.

Lugia just looks cooler.

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>>379569349
>Odd Egg
>fixed calls so people don't say the same thing
>female protagonist
>fixed encounter rates for most Johto mons
>tower, as you mentioned
>Sneasel actually appears in the Ice Path, when every single Dark type was postgame in GS
>has its own exclusive bonuses, like having both Gligar and Skarmory
>Suicune actually serves more of a purpose, and the plot doesn't get in the way unless you have severe ADD
But no, the game's shit because I actually have to go outside and trade for a version exclusive

>>379570013
>pokemon is on gold/silver
>cut for no reason

yeah i'm not putting up with that

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>>379570145
Literally unplayable, it's not like I could get someone to breed one for me or anything

>>379557273
Youre a nostalgiafag we get it

>>379570013
>tfw just want to play a game where I can naturally get Teddiursa and Mareep early in the game

>>379570442
At that point i might as well save myself the trouble and play Gold instead

>>379570013
>Lived in rural bumfuck nowhere where there was no one to play Pokemon with
>lol just trade with someone dude

Why does /v/ jerk off Gen 2 so much? Anyone who knows fucking anything about Pokemon knows that B2W2 is by far the best pokemon game.

>>379571095
White 2 is shit because I can't catch a Pidgey!

>>379571095
>>379562150

>>379571095
The thread's not about gen 5.

>>379571202
>still butthurt anon doesn't want to play crystal

>>379571095
Because they like it.

Personally, Crystal and White 2 are easily my favorites, for very different reasons though. Then I like Y third most out of pity.

>>379548707

fact: this game is bad

Blue's board was almost impossible to get into the cloyster/slowpoke pockets, and it was pure chance whether they would get sucked in or not. There was also very little else to do on the board since it was just one long loop up top

add that in that the pinball itself doesnt follow what would be real pinball physics, and its just frustrating to play

the GBA sequel is much improved, but the ball physics are still fucked

>>379571267
They got rid of what made Black and White unique, now it's just some shitty tower with the same generic battles as always, fuck BW2

>>379560612
Emerald animations only had two frames and did tweening and shit to actually animate it. They were fucking shit so there's really no comparison

>>379551345
>Groudon becomes Ground/Fire
>Kyogre doesn't become Water/Electric

Thunder is literally part of its basic bitch kit

>>379571508
>shitty tower with the same generic battles

Nigger are you talking shit about the PWT? Because it's probably the least generic postgame battle content in the series. Not to mention that BW2 is the only game where the high level trainers actually use competitive movesets. Iris's focus sash DDance Haxorus was a fucking nightmare to deal with.

>>379571508
Can't think of a single thing unique about BW1 not done better in BW2 unless you fell for the "only having new Pokemon makes it feel newer!" meme.

>>379563723

>He has a fire move so he's a fire type!
>what is STAB

If you're over the age of 18, playing pokemon and don't know about STAB, you're pretty pathetic.

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>>379548416
I had both of them on one cartridge.

>>379571881
>pseudo fire type

I'm saying fire punch is good enough coming off its good special attack, dumbass.

>>379571786
The gay ass treehouse, PWT did nothing wrong

>>379572012
Treehollow isn't even a Battle Facility, if you want that, it's the Subway, just as it was in BW1.

Blue>Red
Silver>Gold
Sapphire>Ruby
Diamond>Pearl
White>Black
X>Y
Moon>Sun

Squirtle
Cyndaquil
Mudkip
Turtwig
Oshawott
Froakie
Popplio

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>>379548416
Silver has better sprites
Gold has Mantine and Ho-Oh
Silver has Skarmory
Both are inferior to gen1

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>>379572518
Pikachu, Totodile, Torchic, Turtwig, Oshawott, Chespin, Popplio.

>>379571881
You're clearly the underage one given how little you know about Gen 2. In ye olden days, you could hardly afford to care about STAB because everything learned like no non-normal moves outside of TMs, and since TMs were one-use with only some being reobtainable this was especially shitty.

Why did gamefreak make it so gen 2 had such mediocre starters?

>>379572817
In terms of starters, you're mostly alright.

>>379573579
Typhlosion is okay in Gen 2, if I remember correctly. Just teach it Thunder Punch.

>>379548416
Catch Ho-oh, fuck Lugia