Sonic Mania: Chemical Plant confirmed

>Chemical Plant
>again

Not sure why people are hyped for levels that get so much play already.

Much more excited about Flying Battery.

>>379513138
Meh, I would rather they choose less popular stages to see what they can do with them. Chemical Plant is already great, go with something that's just decent like Hill Top and try to make it great.

Both versions of the song don't sound as good

>>379515375
Where's act 1?

I was hoping for Aquatic Ruins or Hidden Palace Zone

>>379513138
Just confirm Sky Sanctuary already you fucks. Rehash the hell out of it. This game will be
>Green Hill
>Chemical Plant
>Flying Battery
>Stardust Speedway
>Studiopolis
>Mirage Saloon
>maybe one more new level

And that's it. You're a fool if you think there's gonna be any more levels.

>>379515473
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-irdZa0_Ig

>>379515375

that shit taste

>>379516673
Thanks. That sounds fine, but I guess I liked that the original has more of a synth feel, beyond just being a Genesis tune. Notes were allowed to hang instead of all of them fluctuating up or down slightly, like in this vesion.

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>each act has its musical theme.

Whaaaaaaaaat?

>>379517063
-that being, I think I prefer their act 2 version over the act 1 version, since they did more of their own thing with it.

Also, in this footage, anyone else think it looks kind of jarring for Sonic to snap back and forth from the running animation to the top speed animation? Most actions in this game have smooth animations, but this is just snapping in and out of a different pose and it looks weird. I'm starting to think that animation was cut out of Sonic 2 for good reason.

>>379517497
I'm used to it from CD so it doesn't bother me

>>379516081
There's already a cathedral level that got leaked, the final zone will also likely be original, and there's still a Sonic 3 (won't be Sky Sanctuary, we already got Flying Battery for the S&K rep) level to be seen

>>379517689
He doesn't go to that pose in Sonic CD when he reaches top speed, he only does it for his super peel out. So there's no switching around for different speeds, it's pretty consistent.

>>379517265
Just like Sonic 3.

>>379513138
>Not sure why people are hyped for levels that get so much play already.
the theme

>>379516673
they added that fucking block underwater part. dropped

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>>379516673
THIS TRIGGERS MY PTSD

>>379518068
Oh yeah you're right.

I guess I was surprised to hear this in a Sonic 2 level.

It's such a shame Sonic 4 exists, mania could have been it and surpass its predecessors.

>>379517805
Sonic will do the peel-out animation when he goes fast enough, although usually that's when you get launched by a spring or something since there's not a lot of speed sections in CD like there are in 2.

>>379518338
Only if you get speed shoes.

HOLY SHIT CHEMICA-

Oh.

They ruined the music. That sounds fucking awful.

>>379518496
There's a vanilla remix in act 1 if act 2 doesn't do it for you
>>379516673

>>379518415
I just tried it out in stardust speedway, you'll get the peel-out animation even when you don't have the shoes
This could just be a thing for the taxman port though

>>379518574

Don't care, it's not like I can just skip act 2.

I'll still have to hear that awful trash nonsense eventually.

Holy shit that sounded so bad.

>>379518496
It sounds great, though.

>>379518719
I thought it sounded good

>>379518776
>>379518796

Okay. That is your opinion.

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>Green hill zone again
>Stardust speedway again
>Chemical Plant again
FUCKING WHY?!?!?!
WE COULD HAVE HAD
AQUATIC RUIN
QUARTZ QUADRANT
FUCKING STAR LIGHT OR SPRING YARD

PLEASE, NO MORE RE-RETURNING STAGES, MARIO KART 8 ALREADY DOES IT ENOUGH.

>>379518853
Yup

>>379518496
>>379515375

i knew /v/ had terrible taste but this is just sad

>>379518496

Well that's your opinion, hopefully you'll be able to mute the music in the options if it's unbereable to you.

How about some new levels?

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>>379518917
>Stardust speedway again
Oh please. As if that shitty Metal Sonic boss in Generations counts.

Is this all were gonna get for sonic games now?

3 new levels MAYBE and then the rest is the same recycled old levels with a twist that barely makes up for it?

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>>379518719
Is there any particular reason why you didn't like it?

>>379518917
>OR SPRING YARD

This.

I want another take on Spring Yard, Hydro City, Lava Reef and maybe Angel Island.

>>379519164
No. If this sells well enough, Sega will let them do them an actual new game of their own.

>>379519287

You got a source for Sega saying that themselves or are you just wishful thinking?

>>379518165
>Being bad at the block underwater part
The real bullshit came after with all those tiny platforms going back and forth over giant bottomless pits/guaranteed drowning and the platforms that tried to roll you off

>>379519409
nice fake image
but this looks to good where did you get this?

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>>379519164
Since the classic stages seem to have Eggman bosses where the new stages have the Hardboiled Heavies, there's gonna be 5 new stages to match the 5 heavies. Maybe 6 new stages if the final level is an original zone.
It's not a ton, but that's about Sonic 3 sized.

>>379519164
Taxman's already said that there will be around 5 or 6 original levels with the majority being remixes of old Zones. It's not as bad as you think. Besides, >>379519287 is most likely correct. Sega/Sonic Team are just employing what I like to call "insurance nostalgia" for this game. There's absolutely no reason why they wouldn't give Taxman and friends more freedom for a sequel if it sells well enough.

where the fuck is the bubble shield webm?!

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>>379519679
>Hardboiled Heavies
>Realize I dont know what Sonic game these guys are from
>Go to look it up
>Sonic Mania
Motherfucking Taxman had me convinced I had forgotten about some Genesis thing. Good shit.

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>>379519878

>>379519727

So no actual source about Sega giving them the go ahead if it sells well, just wishful thinking.

As expected.

>>379517497
I also really like this Act 2 version. For some reason I'm getting Hydrocity Zone Act 2 vibes from it, and that's one of my absolute favorite Sonic songs period.

>>379513138
wait its in august? I thought it was July, fug I don't know if I can delay my suicide that long

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>>379520043
Do you have no critical thinking skills?
>Taxman remakes sell very well
>Suddenly taxman and co have creative freedom from SEGA to make some remixed and some new levels
Yeah, certainly after a theoretically successful Sonic Mania launch SEGA is just gonna ditch Taxman and never hire him ever again after his first game with creative control. Fucking retard.

Chemical Plant Zone is the Bloody Tears of Sonic

>>379520007
wouldn't be a sonic mania thread without it.

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>>379520584

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>>379513138
Are there any original stages in this fucking game?

>>379520635
""GAIMING"" journalist

>>379519667
https://venturebeat.com/2017/06/08/hands-on-with-the-hedgehogs-return-to-2d-in-sonic-mania/

>>379520635
wait, is this actually real?

>>379520701
Well, there's Studiopolis, Mirage Saloon, that cathedral stage that was leaked last week...

>>379520701

are you that stupid?

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>>379520780
>https://venturebeat.com/2017/06/08/hands-on-with-the-hedgehogs-return-to-2d-in-sonic-mania/
t-thanks for the spoilers

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>>379520007
>COPE train
can't believe I missed that before

>>379520701
So far we know about four for sure, with Studiopolis, Mirage Saloon, the cathedral leak, and the pixel hunt picture they showed off after flying battery was revealed.

>>379520857
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/820398850330365952?lang=en

>>379520985
fuck off you retarded unage bait, no one wants to see your spolisers

GROW A PAIR and wait till august!

>>379520701
Dumbass

>>379521170
you're literally an idiot

>>379521006
thanks for confirming the veracity of the webm. bunch of incompetent retards

>>379521305
neck your self underage bait

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>>379521170
>>379521565
Who the fuck let their kid on the computer?

>>379520926
>>379521257
enjoy your literal rehash

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>>379522415
>this 'lol ROMHACK' bait again

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>>379522415
Okay.

Today is a great day for platformers with the Bubsy announcement. I am feeling very autistic right now.

>>379520701
The Act 2 of the returning zones we've seen so far have been original enough that I'm considering them basically new levels. They even have gimmicks totally new to the series, art assets, and music, so I'm cool with them. Flying Battery Act 1 and Chemical Plant Act 1 have been boring retreads so far though.

>>379513138
who else

>beats eggman
>falls through the floor

>>379513138
>butchered Chemical Plant remix

>people all complaining there are no new zones

the whole point is that they're showing the old zones we know, remastered versions and music, and trying there hardest not to spoil all the NEW zones so we don't go into the game knowing everything, that is the entire whole fun side of this experience

knowing there is BRAND new sonic levels to explore and find, and hear there music

>hey, what cool level should we add from Sonic 2 this time? Mystic Cave? Oil Ocean
>nah, just do Chemical Plant again. It's the only level all the normalfag 90's kids remember

>>379524262
>butchered
it's pretty great, reminds of Jet Set Radio. It's even better than what I expected from an Act 2 remix.

>>379518315
Sonic Mania is Sonic 4. Ep I and II never happened.

>>379519036
Quartz Quadrant is still a way better level than Stardust Speedway. I'm not saying it's bad, it's just that I think QQ would benefit more from being remixed due to its level style, creativity, looks, etc. Also the music

>>379525484
Yeah I'm surprised conveyor belts haven't really been done in classic sonic outside of QQ, you would think they'd bring those back

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>>379513138
My initial reaction: >>379489849
My reaction after seeing act 2: >>379490038
I never 180'd so fast in my life.

>>379525745

Scrap Brain in Sonic 1 had them, and I believe Metallic Madness as well.

>>379513138
I'm disappointed it's Chemical Plant again, but on the other hand, it's fucking Chemical Plant again!

>>379518917
>>Stardust speedway again
What the fuck do you mean "again"?

>>379526443
It was in Generations for the Metal Sonic fight

>>379526760
And ONLY for a boss fight, this is the first time we're getting it brought back as an actual stage.

honestly have no fucking clue why people are acting retarded and complaining. that was awesome. looked completely brand new

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>>379515375
>>379518496
The composer is just average and the new music in the game shows it off. It's just bland unoriginal shit that a 12 year old sonic fan would come up with.

>>379516081
5 or 6 new zones, 6 or 7 old zones

This is all but confirmed

>>379528575
It's a bit disappointing that they sound like amateur youtube remixes. Would have been better if they tried to do their own sound and style instead of trying to be like Sonic CD.

>>379516081
I'm expecting these for the returning zones
>Green Hill
>Another Sonic 1 zone
>Chemical Plant
>Another Sonic 2 zone
>Sonic 3 zone
>Flying Battery
>Stardust Speedway
Then these for the original ones
>Studiopolis
>Mirage Saloon
>leaked cathedral
>teased sky zone
>another new zone
>final zone

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>>379517774
>Flying Battery was supposed to be Sonic 3, to a point that in the level select the name is there
>Fly Battery is actually the Sonic 3 rep
>Lava Reef act 1 and Sky Sanctuary Act2 is &Knuckles rep

>>379529059
I don't know what people are talking about when they say it's Sonic CD style music, it might be the same soundfont but I don't see Mirage Saloon for example fitting in with the rest of the CD soundtrack

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>cutscenes deconfirmed

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>>379520780
How do you fuck up that badly?

>>379529498
They did say "wait and see" as far as more Tyson Hesse animations go, so I'm still thinking they'll do an intro and maybe a credits sequence.

>>379517774
Cathedral Level?

>All these hipsters wanting their literally who levels to come back

YEAH, WHY CAN'T WE HAVE JUNGLE ZONE BACK?! FUCKING DROPPED

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>>379529765
This was found on a promotional poster in Japan a couple weeks ago.

>>379529883
>we have A TON of levels to pick
>let's pick the ONE level that was already in Generations
No, fuck you. Fuck off. Fuck all you apologists. This is inexcusable.

>>379530012

Anyone else get a Sleeping Egg Zone vibe from this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2DpZ9dl3YI

>>379529181
This sounds about right to me. As a side note, Hydrocity for the Sonic 3 zone makes the most sense to me - it's one of the only Sonic 3 zones which doesn't have any legal issues surrounding its music, not to mention the best water zone in all of Sonic (or even all of platforming). Not to mention the fact that they've turned the water in Chemical Plant 2 into bouncy jelly, as if they wanted to save the watery trope for elsewhere.

>>379530190

I know man, I wanted Bridge Zone sooooo badly. Why can't they remember these zones nobody cares about?

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>>379529765

Sort gives me vibes of Sky Sanctuary + Sleeping Egg Zone from Sonic Chaos

>>379530335
>implying
Just pick Mystic Cave or some shit instead of levels already in Generations you fag.

>>379530190
remember These guys have to fit to Sega's dumb ass quotas, once they win it all, sega may take of the leash entirely and see what these guys can REALLY do.

>>379529765
egg garden was prototype for this stage

>>379530478
>muh mystic cave
Was in generations, unofficially

>>379529498
wwwhhhhat?

>>379530779
They said in the official stream that they're not looking into animated cutscenes and that they're doing something more like 3&K's cutscenes instead
They didn't rule out animation in general though, so there could still be a sick intro

>b-b-but it was already in Generations!
I don't know why this is an argument, Generations was shit. This is the real deal. Comparing them seems stupid to me. Besides, if we play the "X already did it" card then Sonic 2 would be pretty stripped of good choices (Aquatic Ruin, Wing Fortress, Metropolis and many more were already done by games like Sonic 4)

Also that CPZ act 2 looks like the tits, some people are just never happy

>Chemical plant again
>Still milking for nostalgia
>after Generations
Wow, they really are out of ideas huh? Game's gonna be shit.

>>379531018
We've known since day 1 that the majority of the game would be returning zones dude

>>379530478

You're getting Flying Battery and Stardust Speedway, and most likely some other zones that weren't in Generations. Who knows, maybe even that shitty Hill Top Zone will appear. But making a big deal out of a really popular zone like Chemical Plant returning is ridiculous. Of course it's going to show up, that much was a given.

>>379531117

I think the people bitching about this are those who decided from the very beginning that Mania would be shit. I just can't fathom someone dropping the entire game because of one fucking zone, no one can be that autistic.

>>379531018
>Still milking for nostalgia

Well it is the 25th anniversary

>>379513138
>>379516673

Don't know what's wrong with you fags. Both versions sound fucking great.

Probably the same faggots who say Sonic Forces OST is bad because of the new Green Hill Zone

>>379530910
but.. but.. what about the leaked 3 second cutscene of the saloon boss..?

>>379531351

I don't know what's wrong with them either anon. Loving the OST and act 2 so far

>b-buh rehash zones!
This is the only way people can shit on Mania.

>>379531351
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsSaPbd4ojU

Every version of Chemical Plant's theme is fucking groovy. It's just a song you can't ruin.

>>379531419
That could be part of the credits animation, like the race with metal sonic at the end of CD

>>379515375

so this is the power of contrarianism

No Sky Sanctuary, no buy.

>>379531645
i have to remind people, these guys are just having to follow the demands of SoJ. I am certain when these guys take game of the year sega will let them do there own thing with sonic.
Then we will see the official final divide Mania (classic) vs Modern design. And the distinction of what is superior will be all too clear.

The songs sound fine, quit whining

>>379518670
I can confirm sonic will do it in the original Sega CD version, when he reaches full speed no matter what

>>379519036
>defending Stardust Memeway

>>379518917
To be fair they used the past version of Stardust Speedway which is the furthest from being a generic city version with it's Greek Architecture and plants.

Is there some unspoken rule on /v/ that states that people aren't allowed to enjoy Sonic games?

I'm not allowed to enjoy Sonic

>>379520043
Like that other anon said, this is just basic pattern recognition. Taxman and Stealth had to slowly gain Sega's trust.

>2011
Sonic CD remake
>allowed to include Tails as a playable character
>Taxman wanted to include a new stage and final boss (Desert Dazzle and Final Fever respectively)
>Sega said no

>2013
>Sonic 1 remake
>Sega allowed Taxman and Stealth to include Knuckles as a playable character along with Tails again+both get their own secret sections
>allowed to add a secret 7th Special Stage that lets you unlock Super Sonic

>2013
>Sonic 2 remake
>Taxman and Stealth were allowed to remake Hidden Palace with new level design, gimmicks, enemies and boss and add it to the game
>were not allowed to add Egg Gauntlet though

>now
>Sonic Mania
>brand new game and not a remake like their last few projects
>allowed to create brand new levels, but not for the entire game
>had to include returning levels but were allowed to remix them (tame act 1s and more drastically changed act 2s)

>>379524814
We all know what zones everyone craves. Metropolis, Scrap Brain, and Labyrinth.

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>>379533884
>Fucking Lego of all things gets to use Metropolis and Marble Zone (not the music though)
>Taxman has to keep jumping though lizuka's hoops

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Please answer me this.
Why the fuck is anyone asking for the worse Sonic 2 level to return in Mania? Trash Ocean is fucking garbage.

And why ask for Aquatic Ruin when Hydrocity is the only good water level in any game ever? At of all the levels in Sonic 2 that are worth mentioning, Chemical Plant, Casino Night and Mystic Cave are the only levels that are actually good to have. Don't bitch that SEGA did it first, they added that level because fans asked for Emerald Hill when Green Hill was already highly requested. It's the second liked Sonic 2 stage, it's no surprise it will get shilled.

And I don't give a shit about Gens doing it, Mania's Act 2 100% kicks the shit out of Gens version so I'm complaint free here.

>>379531117
>>379531207
>We've known since day 1 that the majority of the game would be returning zones
How are you people still not getting it through your head that it's not the returning zone thing people are mad about right now, but the zone choice they made? Yeah, everyone knew that returning zones were in the game but we at least hoped they would pick ones that weren't in Generations (aside from Green Hill but you can just excuse Green Hill as obligatory at this point.) But now, NOPE, guess not. Guess it doesn't matter if the zone already had a spotlight, it gets to hog it again just because it's the popular one.

Do you understand now why people are disappointed today? NO ONE complained when Flying Battery was revealed because it hasn't been in the spotlight yet. GET IT RETARDS?

>>379534686
>Hydrocity is the only good water level in any game ever?
Oh come now anon

>>379534686
Spot on, fuck the hipsters

>>379534686
Because the levels, especially for Act Two, are being remixed like crazy. It's mostly just aesthetics and the song. They could put in Marble Zone and it'd be god tier in Mania by virtue of being better in every way compared to when it first showed up in Sonic 1.

>>379516673
>that "arms thrown back while at max speed" animation
Look like shit. I hope someone mods it out so Sonic uses the regular running animation at all speeds like in the classics.

>>379534753

>But now, NOPE, guess not. Guess it doesn't matter if the zone already had a spotlight, it gets to hog it again just because it's the popular one.

Pretty much. They're not selling this to the 1 or 2 screeching cucks on /v/. You're just not their target audience. I'm sorry that upsets you, but it's the truth.

>>379534753

>aside from Green Hill but you can just excuse Green Hill as obligatory at this point

What you're not getting is that Chemical Plant IS obligatory. So it can of course be excused.

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I don't know what all you faggots are salty about, we can have Chemical Plant AND whatever janky hipster choice you want from Sonic 2. If we're getting at least 5 new zones then that means we're getting more than 5 old zones - which means at least one of the classics is getting more than just a single stage. I'd be willing to bet money that Sonic 1 and Sonic 2 are each getting 2 zones instead of 1.

That is, unless they throw a complete curveball and end up giving stage reps to games like Chaotix - which I certainly wouldn't complain about.

>>379534686
I was asking for the best SOnic 2 Zone Casino Night

It was in Sonic 4 and Generations too (Kind of ) so all the better.

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>>379530919
>I don't know why this is an argument, Generations was shit.

I genuinely feel like too much of the game has been spoiled

This would have been more fun going into it without knowing what was going to be there. Heck, especially when they're showing us act 2 of stages, we've practically seen half the game already

>>379535493
>Sonic 2 stages are hipster
>Knuckles' Chaotix isn't

>>379535414
Chemical Plant has been nowhere near as many games as Green Hill, which has been shilled to hell and back due to being the very first level.

>>379533380
It's just underage newfags. Better not give them any attention.

>>379534686
I always hope they maybe one day they'll do Emerald Hill instead of Green Hill, just for the music remix alone.

>>379535713
I never said Chaotix wasn't hipster. My point was that we're either getting more than 1 zone from certain games, which should keep you complainers happy, or we're getting non-traditional picks like Chaotix, which should also keep the "it was already in Generations" crowd happy.

My point still stands. Faggots are blowing this shit up over nothing.

>>379535645
>they said they didn't want to reveal as much of Mania as they did Generations
>they're revealing as much of Mania as they did Generations
I think they went back on their word because of the delay. So now to make up for it, they're showing us a lot more than they first planned.

>>379535621
The best you can say that it was ok.

>>379535897
>they're revealing as much of Mania as they did Generations
Can you faggots stop exaggerating for once? Holy shit.

Wishful thinking here, but what if for each classic game, two zones are represented?

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>>379535493
>I'd be willing to bet money that Sonic 1 and Sonic 2 are each getting 2 zones instead of 1.
This is what I've been thinking for the past month or so, it'd make a lot of sense since Mania is to be a big game as said by Taxman and we'll probably get more than 5 new zones, even if there are only 5 Hardboiled Heavies, we'll at least get 6 for a final level so the 60%-40% ratio will hold up relatively well.

>>379535876
Genuinely curious, why are you okay with zones that were already in Generations? If you were a real Sonic fan, wouldn't you like to see other zones get some love too?
>>379535983
We've seen six zones officially and one zone in a blurry screenshot but was still purposefully revealed. That's most likely more than half the game buddy. They're revealing a lot.

>>379535876
Non-traditional picks like Chaotix or Classic Sonic remakes of 3D games are incredibly unrealistic.

>>379513138
I'm really not feeling the new music at all. Chemical Plant Zone is one of my favorite tracks out of the classic Sonic games, and this new version just doesn't have the same feel to it at all.

>>379535897
We knew about ALL of Generations' zones before the game came out, there's still quite a bit of stuff from Mania that we don't know about.

>>379535983
Probably not for all of them, but I'd say it's possible. If there really are 5 new zones to correspond with the 5 heavy gunners, that means there's 7 old zones for a 40:60 split, and I could see Sonic 1 and 2 being thrown an extra bone.

>>379513138
i'm not exactly happy about this zone choice, but i'm really digging the act 2 music, maybe exactly because it has a bit different vibe to it than everything we've heard before
the new zone elements look neat too

>>379536194

I'm pretty sure 6-5 is the more likely ratio

That way they can go

That way they can do a simple 'classic-new-classic' leverl layout and end with a Doomsday-esq final zone

>>379535941
Nah, Generations was great

>>379536143
>Genuinely curious, why are you okay with zones that were already in Generations? If you were a real Sonic fan, wouldn't you like to see other zones get some love too?
Because I like boost formula but not Generations's version of classic Sonic, so in my eyes the fact that a shitty version of Chemical Plant was in Gens doesn't really take away from the awesome Act 2 we've seen in Mania.

Besides which, it's exactly like I said. I firmly believe Sonic 1 and Sonic 2 are getting a second "slot" each so to speak, so I'm not particularly salty about Chemical Plant's return.

To be fair, if I had to pick two stages from Sonic 2 to include, Chemical Plant would be one of them. The other would be Hill Top

So if there ends up being two Sonic 2 stages then I'm fine with Chemical Plant

>>379536729
>not Mystic Cave

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>>379536143
>If you were a real Sonic fan, wouldn't you like to see other zones get some love too?
Yes, good ones. Again, only 3 from Sonic 2 are worthy of thought and out of all of them, Mystic Cave was the only one that hasn't been (officially) recreated from the original.

You want Oil Ocean? Sonic 4 did it already, but it's not ok that Gens did Chemical Plant too apparently. Metropolis ? Sonic 4 did it too, Mania shouldn't do that because it's been done before, right?

I'm not that other guy, but Mania has shown to remix stages so eloquently, I'd be a cunt to bitch about "used contents" when at least when I'm playing a classic stage, I can play it LIKE an actual classic Sonic game instead of the trash that was Sonic 4 and the poor attempt Gens did. I'd rather have Mystic Cave from 2, but hey, at least the second act of CP has raised my spirits on that stage being chosen over it.

>>379536729
Mystic Cave and Oil Ocean, but only is OO gets a bit of an overhaul in pacing. I'm a sucker for that burning sun anon, and I'd love the level itself to have a unique sonic/tails/knuckles sprite that's a bit more yellowed/wavy to show the extreme heat.

>>379536897
That just makes it even more disappointing they didn't pick Mystic Cave if the choice was that obvious.

>>379536729

Exactly. There was no reason not to expect Chemical Plant to show up. Sonic 1-3, CD, and Knuckles are getting zones, so of course the most popular ones from each game will show up. It's like expecting not to see Stardust Speedway, Flying Battery, etc. Anyone thinking it wouldn't appear just because it was in Generations was deluding themselves.

I don't understand the love for Mystic Cave

Don't get me wrong, it has one of my favorite tracks in the game, bu I've never found the stage itself very fun to play. There's a ton of momentum killing obstacles that I never felt flowed very well, like the rotating boxes, having to grab on to vines, the weird spiked platforms with rotating spike ball thing at the top, the cat paws etc

>>379513138
there goes my hype, now i know how people feel when they saw green hill again

>>379536897
What the fuck is Sonic 4? That some fan game?

>>379535587
>and Generations too (Kind of )
Nah, it was in for real:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64ZB_v8TyZM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfpKsxamMl8

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C'mon /v/, you're being contrarian to the point where you'll fuck your own ass instead of admitting that Mania is looking pretty damn great.

Well, whatever, i'm gonna buy it, play it, enjoy it, and then come here and watch you all shitpost 24/7 while hating video games and hating your life, as usual.

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>>379537157
I wish it was

>>379537157
Dimps game that came out some time before generations, it was pretty poor

>>379537151
The """""love""""" purely comes from the fact that it's the least overdone stage in all of Sonic 2. Pretty much every single other zone and trope in Sonic 2 has been rehashed at least once, so the /v/ contrarians have to come out of the woodwork and claim like Mystic Cave was the best all along and that it's an injustice for it to have never been remade.

>>379537185

I literally forgot that was a game

Oh fuck, there's a 3DS version of Lost World too

>>379537346

What other games have a Hill Top-esq zone?

>>379537315
>this shitty animation assembly
sonic 4 was never good

>>379513138
i'm still gonna get the game but my excitement level has been kneecapped
sonic 2 is my favorite game and chemical plant is the most bland "hold right" level in it besides the very first, the only thing anyone remembers is the platforming bit at the end of act 2 and the boss that you can instantly die on if you screw up
casino night, mystic cave, oil ocean and metropolis would have all been much more interesting choices
god damnit

How's the DS Sonic Colors?

>>379537346
But it is the best one.
One of the only tolerable stages in 2

>>379537346
Gee, what a terrible thing to want levels to get equal representation instead of seeing the same ones over and over! I'm such a terrible person for wanting this.

>>379537539

I feel somewhat similar, but everything else about the game looks perfect. Heck, even if the stage selection isn't preferable, the second act looks fun and unique as fuck

Even if I don't get the stages I want, this is already the best looking Sonic game in literally like 20 years

>>379537641

>tolerable
>running into a lightning bug every 2 seconds
>getting crushed
>falling into pit of spikes with no way out

That stage is downright infuriating

>>379513138
muh dik

>>379537960
>There are obstacles in the level?!?!? Wtfff!>?!?@!

>>379537438
Who would really want Hill Top though? It feels like an Emerald Hill recolour and the music for it is the worst of all the classic sonic games.

>>379537960
I get the stupid spike pit and even the bugs, but getting crushed? Fucking seriously?

>>379537641
Mystic Cave is awful, probably the worst stage in 2, aside from the stupid Wing Fortress zone. Chemical Plant and Hilltop are the two best zones.

>>379537651
>Equal representation
No, fuck that. Some stages are better than others and deserve remaking more. Chemical Plant deserves the Taxman treatment. Maybe Mystic Cave does too, who am I to say? The point is, zones showing up in shitty games like Sonic 4 shouldn't be a detractor for them showing up in Mania.

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>>379537960
>running into a lightning bug every 2 seconds
The Seahorses in Crap Ocean are worse
>getting crushed
You suck.
>falling into pit of spikes with no way out
Literally a meme, even more than the barrel.

>>379538213
>Chemical Plant
>good
Chemical Plant is a pure spectacle stage. The only point to it is so normalfags in the 90's could be impressed by Sonic going SO FAST XD.

That's the only reason you fags ever remember it. You don't actually care about platforming.

>>379538213
>Wing Fortress
>the worst
There's more to it than the end boss mate. Surely you mean Oil Ocean?

>>379538483
I always liked Oil Ocean

>>379528575
This.

>>379538642
I always hated it.

>>379536729
Speaking of Hill Top.

How would Hill Top work as a modern boost zone?

>>379538767
Why? It's got some cool enemies and traversal, and a pretty fun boss fight.

>>379530368
It looks fucking beautiful
Can't wait to see it in motion

so why run? why not just roll whenever possible

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>>379537354
>3DS version of Lost World
Don't even fucking bother, as someone who completed it 100% (yes even the hard mode) I regret everything.

>>379539173

That's the general idea. You pick up more momentum and kill most enemies while rolled up

The issue is that you have less control, so in order to speed run or even stay on the upper paths you need to know when to roll vs when to have more precise movement

>>379539173
You have less control of aerial momentum if you jump out of a ball as opposed to jumping out of a run. Also rolling when there's an uphill coming isn't going to do you any favors.

You ARE right in that the original games are basically roll2win, but there are still different situations for giving preferential treatment to a good old run

>>379539173
You can't stop as quickly

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>>379537157
A throwaway mobile game at first that some genius at Sega thought would be a good idea to port to consoles and PC and rename it Sonic 4. It was God awful and might be the main reason why we have Mania today, since 4 was not well received at all.

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>>379515020
>>379515885
This

I love Chemical Plant but it doesn't need this much bias. Metropolis or Lava Reef would be dope, especially for new song mixes

>>379539765
So...It was the savior we needed?

>>379540069
Ironically, yeah.

>>379537576
Sonic Rush 3

>>379537576
Last good Dimps Sonic game.

>>379536897
The only thing Oil Ocean and Oil Desert have in common is having the world "Oil" in their name

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>>379530919
I don't think Generations was shit but I agree. I used to be in the "but it's already in Generations" camp but after seeing how fun CPZ looks I don't really care. That being said I do hope we get another Sonic 2 zone like Hill Top with better level design, Aquatic Ruin, or Oil Ocean.

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>People complaining about a Tee Lopes song
>Chemical Plant is overused!
>Why can't they reuse MY favorite stage?
You fucking nerdlords are ignoring the most important reason chemical Plant needed to be in this game.
We needed those psuedo-3d orbs back in video games. My dick is rock hard after seeing them.

why would you play as sonic when you can just play as knuckles

>>379541568
i don't see the appeal to either knuckles or tails playstyles

>>379539765
How was episode 2? At least the bosses look like they took some effort to come up with.

>>379541645
its just sonic with more ways to move

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>>379513138
>another rehash level
>shit ass electronica music generally agreed to be some of the worst in the series
>hardly any original levels in sight.
Mark this one as another dud, folks.

>>379541713
Better than Episode I but still does not in any shape or form deserve its title. Still wasn't good and those bosses were boring as fuck and took forever to beat.

>>379539765
such a minor detail, people who repost this shit are as meticulous as people complaining about sonic's blue arms. its a title screen animation, there are actual complaints about the game that could be made

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>>379541939
>No shield moves
>No new drop dash
>Just a flight and climb that are crutches to get up high
I mean at least Knuckles had different paths in 3&K, but there was literally no reason to play as Tails.

>>379541972
wheres bubsy

>>379542064
I think that;s a prime example of all the complaints about the game in one series of pictures. The entire thing was lazy.

>>379542109
well tails has always meant to be the character your little brother plays as because mom is making you share your videogames with him and at least with tails he wont get in the way and might even be helpful on occasion

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>>379542157
>he thinks people update their bait images

>>379541972
a little premature for that, ain't it?

>>379542064
It's a perfect summary on how much effort both games got. Yeah, 4 has a fuck ton of bigger problems, but it doesn't change the fact that it's title screen looks like cheap shit.

>>379542172
but there are more unique frames than all the genesis game's title screen animations in sonic 4's opening

>>379542309
>1995 standards

>>379542309
pretty sure somebody btfo'd your shit argument in another thread

>>379536463
>great
Not with those shitastic physics it wasn't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R16IBC_kD5o&index=2&list

>>379542461
you are literally as autistic as chrischan

>>379513138
>Sonics friends are in the game
>more old zones are remixed with awful level design

oh boy, we are halfway to the Sonic cycle. I bet the next trailer will reveal an entirely new playable character introduced for the game.

And, they are making Chemical Plant built like the most boring Sonic CD level possible. Which sucks because that zone was known for being a high speed straightforward zone, not a slower paced bouncy bouncy slow platforming zone (you had to jump around on platforms maybe twice, and you had to bust open the tubes, and that was it).

>>379542853
nobody cares. original chemical plant was garbage. you can go autistic speedy in other stages.

>>379542853
>>Sonics friends are in the game
good job youve watched the reveal trailer

>>379542157
He just got his own revival.

WHY

>>379543116
>tfw I unironically enjoy the first game
II can go fuck itself.

That remix kind of sucks, but Chemical Plant is always welcome.

I'm surprised this many people say the new remix sucks. I might like it more than the original.

>>379542548
Physics may not have been perfect but that doesn't mean it wasn't a fun game to play. I know this may sound like blasphemy, but physics aren't everything

>>379543538
Fuck off Lopes

>>379543627
No, gameplay is everything, and in a performer where ball physics are one of the main components of gameplay, the physics are pretty crucial.

>>379543538
it sounds more dynamic and interesting to listen to

>>379543538
I'm surprised myself, I'm really jamming to it, I fucking love the police sirens & the beeps that come after it. It reminds me of how Stardust Speedway Bad Future starts.

>>379543627
>gameplay isn't everything in a game
nu/v/ everyone.

>>379543838
>changing my words to fit your dialogue
nu/v/ everyone.

>>379513138
I have no idea what they were thinking for this one. It looks really ugly and kind of boring to boot.

like surely they considered how it would be a pretty bad look for both the Sonic 1 and 2 stage reps to be the same as Generations? Maybe Mania will have several zones from those games, but I don't expect that to be the case.

just super bizarre

>>379543757
So because you didn't roll as expected all the time, the game is unredeemable garbage that gives cancer? Just because the physics weren't spot on, it is impossible to enjoy any aspect of it?

Is that what you're saying? A simple yes or no will suffice.

>>379543909
this post is in a sandbox

>>379513138
I'm getting Stardust Speedway Bad Future vibes from that music.

>>379513138
They said that they're not spoiling any more new stages until the game is out, starts at 17:10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nufmQ-bCY0

>>379544052
What does that even mean?

>>379544030
You've moved the goalposts from the original statement.

>>379544265
Good, I was starting to think they were pushing it on reveals with this.

>>379513138
7/10 remix

Tails is just so goddamn adorable in this.

>>379544371
My original statement was that despite the physics, Generations was still a pretty great game.

You on the other hand failed to supply the simple yes or no.

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>>379544637
He should always be adorable like this.

>>379544697
what a slut

>>379519990
Well, they are intentionally very similar to Egg Robos. So if they looked familiar you weren't wrong.

>>379544686
Because your yes or no question doesn't actually have anything to do with your original argument that "generations is great." That argument can be answered with a simple no, and if it needs explanation it's because the physics are awful.

>>379513138
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCRJjcTfwQk

>>379544697
cute

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>>379545135
GARBAGEEEEEE

>>379513138
So no Hydrocity then?

>>379544958
Physics were not as awful as you seem to press on about. Also i'm glad to know that physics makes everything else about a game, like the general and stage design, the content, the gameplay mechanics, music, and everything else irrelevant.

>>379545365
>Physics were not as awful as you seem to press on about.
They were. Physics are the CORE FOUNDATION of stage design and gameplay mechanics. Everything else is pure frosting.

Chemical Plant sucks, it's only fun with Knuckles

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>>379543909
The problem seems to be they extended the wall of machinery from the bottom of the stage to cover up the stage being "taller" but it just looks kind of ugly.

Chemical Plants foreground wasn't the nicest part of Sonic 2 either.

>>379544265
Yeah all two (Maybe one with that blurry leak pic) of them.

I fell for that trick with Pokemon Alolan Forms too.

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>>379537207
This post pretty much sums up why this franchise never got anywhere after Sonic 1/2/3. There are fanboys that do dmg to a game franchise and then there is Sonic fans who choked the fuck out of this blue hedgehog.

>>379545793
>Physics are the CORE FOUNDATION of stage design and gameplay mechanics.
You're right, but what measure are the physics awful? Compared to some of the classics? Yeah, but it's a different type of game really, even with nostalgic pandering. Would you say Mega Man physics are awful? Kirby physics? They're not as involved in that stuff as Sonic but no one is calling them on that shit.

>>379545793
not him but you're just a nostalgia fag, plain and simple.

I just realised that flying centipede robot thing from Sonic 3 (Caterkiller Jr) is in Act 2. And he's made of those blue ball things.

Deepest lore?

>>379542548
Holy shit ramps were scripted in Generations?

>>379537207
Are you talking about anybody in particular? Because it should be pretty obvious who the inevitable trolls and shitposters are.

Even on /v/ people generally seem to be pretty happy about what's been shown of the game overall.

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>having a hate boner this big for a pretty good game

My favorites are the Genesis games but come on, man.

>>379513138
Hmm, wasn't it in Generations only a few years ago? It was for classic Sonic too.
I'm more excited to play new maps.

>>379543235
I don't know why people think fall damage is out-right bad in a 2D platformer. It's not even a problem in Bubsy because there's a "hold this button to not die from fall damage" button.

>>379537207
I've been pretty hyp for mania but chemical plant is pretty disappointing. Gonna be pissed if they add ice cap, still will buy tho just to show suppport.

If they were going to bring back Chemical Plant they should've at least overhauled the foreground appearance. It's nasty.

>>379533884
>7th special stage for Super Sonic

Fucking what? I own these ports. How the fuck so you trigger that to happen?

>>379546354
It's a worse type of game.
>>379546389
No, I'm a guy with high standards.

>>379547346
I don't think that was part of the main game proper like Sonic 2's Hidden Palace was. You had to use cheats/level select to access it.

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>Chemical Plant is back
>Oh hey, it'll probably look almost the same
>background is way bigger and gives a better feeling of being in a huge factory
>entire stage is almost way different
>bouncing off adjustable gel platforms
>sticky gels
>choose your pipe route
>that sick tune remix

And you fucking faggots complaining made me think it was almost nothing new. Granted, Act 1 is probably almost the same but you fuckers just got to whine about everything, don't you?

>>379547346
Access the stage select by pressing S E G A during the Sega screen, if you did it correctly you should hear the ring sound. After that use two fingers to touch the title screen, and there you go. In the stage select you set up a variety of neat stuff like turning the speed cap on/off, activate the Insta-shield, set the amount of Special Stages, or activate the elemental shields.

>>379547064
Yes I agree, it looks so fucking shit.

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>>379515020
No. Fuck Metropolis

>>379547904
He never said Metropolis though.

>>379547659
>muh autistic rom hack is enough to impress me
fuck me that people actually want something for their 20 bucks and not just an autistic rom hack, those lashy rehashed levels should never been in this game

>>379547659
Indeed, Chemical Plant gets switched up as do the other classic stages.

I still would have rather had a Sonic 2 zone with less exposure (the list of which includes pretty much any other typical zone sans casino night).

>>379547989
you need to kill yourself buddy

>>379535740
me too anon, same goes for Angel Island (along with the whole jungle fire)

>>379547989
The fuck is your problem? did someone shit in your chocolate cereal?

>>379544265
25:26 blue arms merchandise.

46:21 probably no public demo for mania or Forces

51:08 No animated cutscenes in Mania, level transitions and such are like 3 & Knuckles. Doesn't rule out an animated intro and ending like CD though.

>>379543116
>Bubsy Mania
OOOOOH BABY

>>379546227
There's at least 3 (probably 4) more that weren't officially revealed yet.

>>379549047
>probably
he said no demo period because dataminers can't fucking wait to let people play the game on their own first and not have things spoilef to them and those ignorant fucks over there probably can't scrub data for shit. All they have to do is just fill in spots they don't use as in the demo as Green Hill Zone or something. Even Game Freak was actually smarter than them by just swapping out every newer mon's stats with Pikachu's

>>379549448
>those ignorant fucks over there probably can't scrub data for shit.
I'm sure they can but that would take dev time away from the game.

>Even Game Freak was actually smarter than them
Yet the entire pokedex still leaked, so much for that huh?

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Who /no problems/ here?

Chemical act 2 looks amazing and the Generations version was mediocre as fuck.

>>379550276
Here.

>>379550276
Here.

>>379550276
I like Chemical Plant in both Mania and Generations. fite me.

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>>379513138
>those new mechanics
Oohoohoo my god.

>>379550276
Here.

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>>379550276
Here. Here.

>>379550276
I don't approve at all about this dumb tendency for people to shit on something good to express approval of something new.

>>379550276
Here, fuck all these memers

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>>379550745

I enjoyed Generations, but "mediocre" is a fair statement in my book in regards for the classic zones. If I wanted to shit on it I'd have called them trash, which they aren't.

>s-stop being negative about every Sonic game you Chemical Plant haters!
>proceed to spew negative history revisionism about Sonic Generations being bad
This fanbase is schizophrenic.

>>379535069
That was a thing in Sonic CD you newfag

>>379550745
No 3D Sonic game has been anything above mediocre with redeeming qualities. Generations could be considered "good" after shit like Shadow and 06, but with Mania coming out we're back on the old standard.

>>379526135
Metropolis too

>>379513138
looks fucking awful

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>>379550276
Right here. I'm fucking pumped.

>>379551024
>negative history revisionism about Sonic Generations being bad
If the physics on a Sonic game aren't on point, it's bad. Period.

>>379551436
>Sonic Advance is shit because the physics are only 95% accurate instead of 100%
>this is what autists actually believe

Fuck the Chemical Plant, I'll marry the Flying Battery and you can't do JACK about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDFaRMmWbKo

>>379550934
Generations' classic chemical plant has fantastic level design. They really did well there. The modern level certainly isn't as complex and has too much of a 2D focus, but still works very well as a second zone. Top-notch presentation, too.

Honestly though, I wish ALL of the modern generations levels were as sprawling and varied as Seaside Hill. Many work fine as they are, but imagine a Green Hill that approaches its complexity.

>>379551149
Never said it wasn't.

>>379551149
who the fuck even says "newfag" these days as if it actually still works as an insult and not some outdated goofy relic

>>379551603
>being this much of a pedantic faggot
kill yourself mate

>>379551942
Only newfags get butthurt at the term newfags.

>>379551987
>he has no argument

>>379552064
>>379552147

run for president, Yeah, you'll ultimately go out disgraced but look a the bright side. You might be so old and scattered you can't care.

>Chemical Plant again
I get it's an iconic stage, but it feels like everyone always just does that when referencing 2.

Why no love for Aquatic Ruin Zone?

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>>379550276
>Chemical act 2 looks amazing

>>379552360
Because it's le epic stage that 90's kids remember because sonic goes so fast he outruns teh screen xDD

whoever decided to license a fucking youtube fan remixer for this game needs to be shot

this music is fucking horrible

>>379552475
le epin to the maxx lolz

>>379513138
Why the fuck would anyone like Chemical Plant Zone?

>>379552552
epic

I cancelled my xbox preorder today after hearing of this. Whats the point if they are just going to take all the levels from sonic generations, which already took all the levels from older games...? Ill wait for the sequel where its just all new levels and wait until mania 1 is on sale for $5

>>379552716
>xbox
lol

>>379513138
So what about the multiplayer mode?

>>379547989
i think baiting should be getting people to say what you want that isn't just angry glances and retorts. the fact that's all you seem to want is pathetic. you're a shitty little child. have a pity (You), because with the mental image of a soulless slob getting low key excited and smug about basic ass responses to his bottom of the barrel bait because he's too much of a failure to even exercise an ounce of wait ensures me that i could never be the loser in this situation, no matter how many (You)s you get out of me.

>>379552801
Something funny virgin?

>>379552360
I get what you're saying but what games has Chemical Plant actually been in? It's only been Sonic 2, Pocket Adventure & Generations hasn't it? I'm actually not sure if that was it but I don't recall it actually being in many games, regardless I still feel as though we'll get 2 classic stages for Sonic 1 & 2. I'm hoping it's Mystic Cave Zone or Aquatic Ruin Zone if I'm right, both would be good choices.

>>379552360

Because that's a fucking shit zone.

>>379552716
It's bad they're recycling yet another that had a recent remake, but at least they seem to have enough new mechanics to make it feel like a new level.

>>379552552
is this real? then how come mirage and studio sound so great compared to the rest

>>379552360
Because it's one of the early levels, which makes it a level most people are familiar with. Unfortunately many casuals probably didn't even play past this part.

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I don't even understand all the hate on Mania.
Most people here will pirate and rush it on PC.
They will play it for like 1 week and that's all.

Only speedrunners, nostalgia and Music fans will play it for longer