ITT: Games that are almost impossible to beat without a guide.

Dark Souls

> ITT: Games that don't hold my hands like a 5yo

>>379492493
Nice bait

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>>379492493
I had to use a guide to find out how to start the Dark Souls 1 DLC.

> Games that are almost impossible to beat without a guide
> Dark Souls

What a terrible generation of players

Bloodborne for sure, Witcher 3

>>379492605
i had to use a guide to install the PC optimization fix.

>>379492653
> Game is based on exploration
> Hey let's use a guide!

2017 /v

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La-Mulana is bullshit, but at least it is expected. This game here, on the other hand, looks like a kids game, and then hits you with grim plot and hard puzzles.

>>379492394
is the sequel dead? they released the demo years ago.

>>379492641
he probably means that most people needed a guide to figure out how the fuck to access DLC and some of the optional areas - so in that sense, to "complete" the game you probably need a guide

>>379492829
but damn does it make you feel like a genius in the long run

>>379492850
Not as far as i know, there were some news about it early this year if i'm not mistaken

>>379492850
They're still working on it.

>>379492825
>game is based on exploration
>spend 15 boners on a players guide

this shit is timeless

>>379492850
They're still updating their kikestarter regularly. I assume they're working on it

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>>379492394

>>379493035
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>>379492973
reassuring. i wonder if the extra time is being spent making the puzzles extra convoluted.

>>379492509
To be fair La Mulana starts fairly okay but as you progress the hints start to become more and more cryptic to the point where you can't tell what they are talking about and have to basically resort to test everything you can think of

I spend $25 to get the Diablo 3 guide at release, best buy in my entire life

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>>379492850
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU7-iaMRr04
heres gameplay from the latest alpha and the picture is from a backer update from 6 days ago
I really hope they release it this year but ive waited so long I just want them to take their time and make a polished game

>>379493309
i'm the same way, honestly i rather keep waiting for the game than to expect a rushed sequel in the following year. looks good so far.

my pet peeve with La-Mulana is how in some rooms youd have really annoying hard to hit enemies that would chip away at you while you were trying to solve a puzzle
it didnt ruin the game for me but it was frustrating

>>379492605
If I got the game after the DLC came out I probably wouldnt have used a guide for it, but since you probably already beat the game you just want to get to the new content so you just look up where it is.

>>379493141
After beating the first 4 bosses, the snake, the giant, the fish, and the lizard the game becomes so unusually structured that you sometimes need to use stone tablets in the 2nd or 3rd area to answer a puzzle in the 8th or 9th area and how are you supposed to make that connection?

Also, needing to use a stone tablet in the

>>379492825
not everyone is a little NEET virgin kid like you

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>>379492829
100%'d it without a guide.
I remember a few years ago seeing the occasional thread pop up with some anon shilling it saying it's a better Zelda game, so naturally I played it.
It's certainly a huge game, it's certainly a harder game than any Zelda game but did I find it better? Nah.
The game could have benefited from having some better and more memorable music. I actually can't recall a single track off the top of my head, I really can't. I remember thinking the nightmare sequence music fit the theme and all but I can't remember how it went.

I also remember that I fucking hate the barrel 'puzzle' in which you had to click the switch and guess where the barrel was gonna drop which was completely and utterly RNG based.
I also remember taking a while to figure out the multitude of Ice Block pushing puzzles.

Anyway, try Marrow out you fuccbois. It's a great game and has puzzles in a similar tier as La-Mulana only minus any tablets with text wrote on them.

>>379493728
> I can't play the game with my brain
> Y-you nerd!

kek

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>>379492850
The original freeware version took them 5 years to make. Patience is required.

>>379493860
he didn't insult your intelligence he's saying get a job and a wife.

>>379492605
yeah i beat the game without using a guide and completely missed the DLC.

>>379493929
> if you have a job and a wife you need to play video games with guides

literally what

>>379492394
B-but someone wrote that guide

>>379494081
Sounds like he's implying that "he doesn't have time for video games" or some shit so he has to use a guide to beat them quickly like a brainless retard because ?????? who the fuck knows

>>379494081
the objective of the game isn't to beat computer games, anon. you're way too focused on the fun sub mission that you're totally unfocused on obtaining high tier player threshold.

>>379494161
A likely story

>>379492394
Nethack, Dungeon Crawl, most pure roguelikes really.

>haha that puzzle is easy you just needed to count the pixels of the statue in the room from 1 hour ago

literally games for autists

>>379493309
Oh god, the first guardian is a spider dragon.
Yes.
This is everything I've ever wanted without knowing I wanted it. This game is going to be the tits.

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I am playing pic related and am trying to avoid using a guide but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a little tempted

it's pretty obtuse

>>379493680
>use a stone tablet in the

What did he mean by this

I only use guides for MMORPG

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I don't blame anyone for looking at a guide at a certain point in La Mulana, game is hard as shit and even with meticulous note taking and all that it's still easy to get stuck

It's better to get past a puzzle and move on than to give up the game, really

The very best way to play it is with a friend, though. There's always some things that one person notices or solves that the other doesn't. It's how I first played the game and we only got stuck one or two times.

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>>379494271
man what if that guide was full of errors that made owning it worse than going blind?

>>379492605
Yeah I got to the end then looked up a guide to get to the dlc
Also I looked up how to get to undead asylum again because I read about it and it seemed fun
That was all I looked up though

If anyone says they got all the gold stars in Talos Principle without using a guide they're lying. True fact

>>379494417
This entire "guide" was written as a joke

>>379494492
can youngsters grasp jokes when they spend their allowances on something that ends up lying to them?

>>379492394
Nethack. You would need a year at the very least and tons of patience to even get a chance at ascending. I'm not sure anyone has really done it.

>>379494394
These days, when I get stuck on a game I try and hold off on searching a guide until I've exhausted all other options. Finding a thread on /v/ where there's active discussion going on or even some other forum where someone is asking a specific question is more desirable. That human interaction really works to your benefit.

>>379494630
It was a feature in the Nintendo Official Magazine UK that constantly had jokes of this sort, I still have stacks and stacks of them, they're great

>>379492829
what game?

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How the FUCK do I get past the third boss?

Also how come this is such a meme? I played it and nothing seems that strange about it. Is /v/ just being facetious again?

>>379492394
I beat it without using a guide. Although I really believe the game needs a better translation to make some puzzles easier.

>>379495174
It's a meme because it is overtly furry.

>>379495174
Do you mean aside from it being a furry game being filled to the brim with furry sex scenes?

>>379495174
You are probably plying the SFW version.
There is a version that literal has gay but sex after every boss.

>>379495356
Stop fucking with me. I've played almost the entire trial thing and there's no sex scenes.

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>>379495213
>the game needs a better translation to make some puzzles easier.
Those puzzles are supposed to be stupidly obtuse though.

>>379495519
As stated the game has a SFW version.

>>379494936
Alundra.

>>379495523
How is that obtuse? That's the only giant that is pointing at something. It's not like they made all the statues the same just to confuse the player.

>>379495659
>Alundra
Thanks!

>>379495174
If this wasn't child porn i'd be way more lauded.

>>379495523
That one is trivial, it even says in a tablet when you actually need to do that puzzle later that that specific giant is pointing at something important.

>>379492394
I think La Mulana would be far better and enjoyable if the game just memorized tablets and notes for you. No idea why the shitty limit on the program you actually get in-game that only lets you copy a mere handful.

It would really cut the amount of slog you spend screenshotting or writing down every single tablet you come across, without dumbing down the actual thinking and puzzle solving process.

Simple stuff like
>Tablet text itself (switchable between original and translated once you've met the prerequisites)
>Found area name
>Found room name (assuming you are in possession of map that shows room names)
And maybe even a CTRL+F text search function as well. More time spent on playing the game and puzzle solving with less time wasted on menial copying.

i couldnt keep playing LM. i was having to use a guide every step of the way, it was annoying as hell.

>>379493778
>I fucking hate the barrel 'puzzle' in which you had to click the switch and guess where the barrel was gonna drop which was completely and utterly RNG based.
The one in the desert dungeon? Because that isn't RNG at all.
Also I kinda doubt you 100%'d it without a guide. It's extremely unlikely to do on a first playthrough since there is so much shit that's permanently missable but well out of your way.

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>>379496178
Technically speaking the Anubis is 1000s of years old but only looks like a kid.

>>379496501
>I think La Mulana would be far better and enjoyable if the game just memorized tablets and notes for you. No idea why the shitty limit on the program you actually get in-game that only lets you copy a mere handful.

Because most of them are useless, and it's up to the player to deduce which are important to memorize.

>>379496767
It's for a select few super-geniuses so don't force it, come back and give it another chance in 10 years or so.

>>379496684
Wait a minute, that claw.

>>379496827
Making the child chara actually be like 1000 years old is the weakest excuse in the book, since the character is still usually sexualized or in revealing clothes despite looking like a child
Its like getting busted for liking a fetish and then backpedaling and saying you're looking at it ironically or something

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>>379496501
It's such a better experience if you go out and buy a notebook to record everything in though. I wrote down glyph text, drew murals, recorded what was for sale and for how much from every store, drew maps of each region, you name it. Every now and again I pull it out and skim through it and it did nothing but enhance the fun I had playing the game because I was able to immerse myself into Indiana Jones simulator just that little bit more.

>>379496820
>The one in the desert dungeon? Because that isn't RNG at all.
Yes. How is it not RNG?

>Also I kinda doubt you 100%'d it without a guide.
>Just said I did
>Nuh uh no way you didn't

What the fuck am I reading?

>>379497017
I see it as a satire of using an age-based system of legality when people age completely differently.

Honestly they should raise the legal age to like 25, most people younger than that are fucking dumb.

>>379496501
There is a text dump of all tablets etc. in the game in the La Mulana wikia, I used it myself when playing
The devs acknowledge this as a problem though and are greatly increasing the text memory in the sequel

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>Playing La Mulana for the puzzles

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>>379497264
The boss fights are a snoozefest in the original.

I "beat" La-Mulana just fine without using a guide.
It's not all that difficult, some parts can just get pretty tedious if you happen to get stuck or miss something obvious but generally speaking almost everything in the game is solved by just exploring a bit more. When I say "beat" I killed Mother and got to the credits, finding and beating Hell Temple is another beast altogether.

>>379497046
If I remember right you positioned a barrel over the holes so ones falling down just stack on it instead of dropping into the hold and getting destroyed.

>>379494429
this. i love the game though. better than portal.

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>jump into a lava pit
>fall for 19 repeating screens
>whip a random part of the wall that breaks
"you don't nee a guide bro just figure it out"

>>379497046
Yes, because you TOTALLY knew to kill yourself a few dozen times for the Legendary Sword and found every Golden Falcon when half of them have absolutely retarded time limits on a blind playthrough.
At least try to make your bullshit a little bit believable.

>>379497713
Optional

>>379497454
The whole "no guide" thing came about because the original was more or less impossible without one due to translation.

>>379497436
>steps on caltrops to walk through your ultimate attack

Pssh, nuthin personel....

>>379497454
>If I remember right you positioned a barrel over the holes so ones falling down just stack on it instead of dropping into the hold and getting destroyed.

Hmm, well I'll just have to take your word on that.
I would have thought the cannonballs that dropped would have smashed them.

>>379497717
>At least try to make your bullshit a little bit believable.
>Retard is too retarded to 100% the game without a guide
>Shits the bed and spergs out when other people aren't as retarded as him.

Pottery.
I 100%'d it without a guide. Stay mad you braindead fuck.

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>>379497454
>finding and beating Hell Temple is another beast altogether.
Hell Temple is one of those cases where I don't feel guilty over never being able to beat it. Plus to beat if you've got to do the medicine three times and that's simply unreasonable.

>games that OP is trash at

>>379493309
AMAZING! I love how much weight there is behind that whip, the enemies just collapse into rubble. Also

>You can jump onto stairs now

>>379497839
doesn't make it excusable

>>379498009
Oddly enough, Hell Temple is the only place in the game where rolling shurikens are actually useful.

>>379492653
>Witcher 3
Really nigga?

>>379498037
Actually? It does. It's like saying SM64 is shit because it had a 1up that took people forever to find.

>>379497857
Oh, I never played the original MSX La Mulana. If you can't read any of the hints then sure, that's a bit different though

>>379497938
>I would have thought the cannonballs that dropped would have smashed them.
Nah, they go right through

>>379497857
I found it to be perfectly beatable; just that you require some cultural knowledge (such as helmet's hint in original's manual just saying "good for training!" and you having to figure out what training means to a Jap).

I think the worst offender though is the door number puzzle in the endless corridor in the original, as if you don't know/remember that then you might find yourself blanked out (like I did). The manual DOES have the answer for this too, but to me it read like flawor text that had no bearing on the game's contents.

>>379498142
Extra life =/= actual game content

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This. How do you even find the tomb of fucking Jesus without a walktrough?

>>379498176
Also on that endless corridor puzzle, the reason why I think it's kind of bad is because it kinda asks for trivia outside the game.

>>379498037
It's a super secret area that's purposely bullshit hard to find to reward the people that like the game so much they get immersed into La Mulana's mysteries to an absolutely autistic degree. There is absolutely nothing wrong with having stuff like that.

Are you one of those I PAID THE SAME MONEY AS X SO I DESERVE TO HAVE THE SAME EXPERIENCE NO MATTER HOW TRASH I AM guys or something?

>>379498206
To be fair the developers fully admit the hell temple is not meant to be a fair challenge, including finding it.

I only managed to beat it "once" (you have to do it three times to get the reward), and I just said fuck to all that noise. The parodius puzzle with its superior tile-based scrolling was very annoying.

>>379496849
You need more than a selected few after you progressed past the 5th guardian or so, shit gets confusing as hell and there are always like 3 places spread over the whole map where you can make little progress in the main goals till you get to Tiamat.

>>379497713
Is there any actual hint for this?

>>379498584
I barely needed it at all. The only time I used it was for the weight puzzle and those mantras.

>>379498206
Still not sure what your argument. If Hell Temple was freely accessible to people it would be worse than if it was sealed off.

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>>379495174
at least they're adding achievements for steam version