Well? Are they right, /v/?

>>379466636
Yes, also

>>>/tumblr/

who cares?

Meleefags are cancer but there is literally nothing Nintendo could do to stop tournament organizers from using whatever version they choose

Lol @ people who hate Melee because they suck at video games.

>>379466717
i care

>>379466636
What can some smash autist explain the controller thing

>>379466636
What the fuck are they trying to do? What for?

>>379466636
they mad cuz bad

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>>379466636
Melee fags are objectively the worse competitive scene in gaming.
They come off as tryhard among tryhards. They think that having enough glitches and exploits means that they will be on the same level as actual fighters.
they never will.

Furthermore if Nintendo ever chose to actually acknowledge their existence, any 'melee remake' they give will be shunned for being not broken enough.
I've never seen a group of faggots that are directly opposed to bug testing and balancing.
Glitches and exploits are fun, but to show it off as an e-sport is just retarded.

>>379466934
It's a rare manufacturing error that makes your controller recognize less inputs. GC controllers are constantly sending inputs making some of the advanced techniques have a very small execution window. Basically it makes it easier to perform advanced techniques but sometimes also eats inputs.

>>379466934
If they're talking about the incident that I think they are then here's the deal.

Some GameCube controllers have a trait where it is easier to perform a dash back (a normal dash away from the direction that your character is facing) more consistently. For some characters this is extremely helpful. Armada (the best player in the world) dropped out of a tournament because his controller stopped doing it and he couldn't find a proper replacement in time.

Someone gonna post a rundown of the controller stuff or do we just trust the initial picture?

>>379466934
Not a smash autist, but here's how I understand the situation.
There's a specific maneuver, some back-dodge thing, that is associated with a shitton of bugs because it absolutely is not intended as a proper move.
The specific controller defect the guy is looking for has to do with the way the analog stick flicks back into place after being fully pushed in one direction. This defect causes the move to be performed consistently without bugs.

>>379467026
Correct.

>>379467123
>>379467137
Does it hurt to just compete without a malfunctioning controller

>>379467029
You're a moron.

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>>379467137
>best player in the word
>has to cheat to win

lel

>>379467137
>Dropped out because his controller wasn't properly broken
>Best player in the world
Corked bats have been banned for decades, this is why everyone laughs at smash kids.

>>379467029
This

>>379467253
the game has escalated to the point where it does, but smashbox will fix it

>>379467253
It doesn't make a HUGE difference. But since he was used to his controller, it sucks to have to get comfortable with a new one right before a big tournament.

>>379467365
>the game has escalated to the point to where you can't win if you don't cheat
Or you could stop being bad/irrelevant.

>>379467290
If it's not against the rules, then it's not cheating you dipshit.

>>379467253
The Melee scene consists of basically 5 players who do the same thing at every tournament. There's rarely any sort of worthwhile shakeup in things, there's never some saucy upstart who rolls in and destroys everyone with new techniques and skills. It's just the same group of guys who meet up and fight.

And when they're all doing the same moves that require the same glitch to pull off, not being able to do that move means you're already a step behind in one of the most rehashed and predictable competitive gaming scenes on the planet.

>>379466812
If you didn't suck at games, you'd play a fighter with real tech and actual depth. Not Melee. Smash is where the failures of other competitive games go to conglomerate.

>>379467398
Didn't stop Momochi in 2015, and he had to give the round away due to his stick breaking. Try not being a spoiled child, Armada.

>>379467312
The controller isn't modded in any way, the analog sick just moves differently to most controllers. Anyone who thinks this is equivalent to cheating or using an unauthorised/modded controller is brain-dead.

>>379467261
why do you think smashies hated anything after melee?
It doesn't have the same exploits because nintendo and sakurai both understand that this is no more than a party game
You're a faggot

>>379467484
This is objectively wrong.

>>379467520
Street Fighter isn't nearly as complex as melee.

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>>379466636
>Melee without wavedashing
So Smash 64?

>>379467536
Stop talking about shit that you know nothing about. You're embarrassing yourself.

>>379466636
Melee fags really are the worst

>>379467525
Anyone who drops out of a tournament because their controller isn't different than the standard, thus giving an advantage is brain-dead.

Just let the autists play whatever they want, this is some dedicated shitting

>>379467540
It is an objective fact.

>>379467540
Except it's objectively right

You can backdash (the thing that is supposedly made easier on a bugged controller) very easily; or its easy if youre invested enough time to enter tournaments. You need to practice it specifically.

You can do it on brand new controllers.

>>379466636
>Tumblr
>YES YES I WANT ALL THESE PEOPLE TO SUFFER BECAUSE THEY'RE PASSIONATE
>TEAR DOWN THIS COMMUNITY BECAUSE I HATE IT

Jesus, and /v/'s the toxic cesspit? For fuck's sake; if you don't like Melee, play Sm4sh.

>>379467520
Arcade sticks aren't as finnicky as GC controllers. As silly as it sounds, GC controllers need to be "broken in" to feel right to a high level smash player.

>>379467253
>Does it hurt to just compete without a malfunctioning controller
It does at the highest level.

>>379467029
honestly it's a tossup between them and ASSFAGGOTS, but i'm willing to give melee tards the nod.

>>379466934
Basically the way to look at it is that 90% of controllers have a fucked up joystick that constantly delivers bad inputs and can screw with precise controls. It only really matters to have a correct one in extremely precise situations, so nintendo just decided to push the bad ones out thinking it doesn't matter, except it does matter in the highest competitive tier of fighting games and also in speedrunning.

>>379467659
Good joke dude.

>>379467595
Oh yeah?
Everyone LOVED brawl and sm4sh, and that's why that's whats being brought to the main stages of these smashie's tournaments
Everyone already knows exactly why everyone only plays melee
There's nothing even exciting about smash tournaments, its always the same 4 or 5 autist winning each one
Keep pretending your game matters or nintendo gives two shits about the smash community
You're still a faggot

>>379467618
Literally anyone can get a controller like that if they bother. There's nothing wrong with wanting a broken-in controller, on any system. Armada may have been stupid in this case because he should have made sure that such a controller was available beforehand. That being said, he can drop out from any tournament for any reason or no reason at all.

>>379467732
Not competing is better than trying with gimped controller? Pretty sure he could get top 32 without needing it

>>379467536
>why do you think smashies hated anything after melee?
Maybe because of shit like random tripping and spammable air dodges that were meant to "level the playing field" between good players and bad ones but only actually just accomplish making top level play boring as hell?
Couldn't have been that, could it?

>/v/ discussing any kind of competitive game
Everyone here is a bona-fide bottom of the barrel shitter in any game they try their greasy hands at, and they're the worst kind of casuals in that they'll never admit they are, all the while dismissing anyone more dedicated than them as autistic.
t. anon since 2005

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>competitive smash
Biggest fucking joke ever

>>379467795
Everyone is well aware that Nintendo doesn't care about Smash; they just wish that wasn't the case.

>>379467851
This.

>>379467795
Everything you said is wrong. Like actually everything.

>>379466636
These must be the types of people who see a speedrun video that exploits a few glitches and comment angrily about how they're cheating and that they should play the game how it's meant to be played and do a fast paced let's play instead.

>>379466636
Well, considering Smash isn't a competitive game and just a party game, yes, they are right

>>379467851
You mean this party game has silly mechanics?!
GASP!

>>379467456
its not against the rules to count cards in blackjack either.
People dont even compete in melee to actually play melee anymore.
Melee has just become a crude backdrop for a bunch of people to try and out cheat each other.
Its a glitch and exploit competition, which would be entertaining in its own right, if they were straight forward about it.

>>379467858
This is right. /v/ sounds like the bronze division in any given game.

>>379467676
Have you honestly never experienced any schadenfreude in your life?

>>379467942
That's every competitive game.

>>379467830
No one cares for anyone but the best.
Top 32 means shit when you're one of the best.

I heard Melee has a very high skill ceiling. Is that true?

>>379467795
>Everyone LOVED brawl
Even Sakurai didn't like Brawl; why do you think he added more weight and combo moves to sm4sh and nixed tripping and random frame bullshit?

Yes, I fucking hate how Melee's characters are made out of fucking lead weights or some shit; but Brawl was basically a playable screensaver and I wish more Melee players would join the Sm4sh scene.

>>379467618
it's just that he practiced thousands of hours with the broken one, the non-broken version is not worse it's just so different that he won't be able to play his best

15 years later and people are still mad at melee players
lmao

>>379468061
Absolutely true.

>>379466782
Their lawyers can, but they will get backlash (much less when melee hd exists however)

>>379467942
So I take it you've never been competitive about anything then, since you seem to consider someone who's better than you a cheater.

>>379467830
I don't know about peach but with marth the 7 frame difference before dashing is literally the difference between succeeding and failing a throw-chain.

>>379468003
I was on /pol/ during the election. There's a difference between schadenfreude and impotent salt.

>>379468090
3 years ago, smashies were allowed into the fgc and its stunk like shit ever since
lmfao

melee is the dsp of fighting games

Melee seems to get a lot of passes for things

>>379467920
Random tripping is like one of the most stupid mechanics ever implemented in Smash.
Whoops I slipped now it's time to be wrecked

>>379468061
It's so high that there's no reason to even play it because you will never succeed, it's just a spectacle at this point. Like Brood War.

>>379467942
>they're not playing by my arbitrary yet undefined rules so they're not actually playing super smash brothers melee for the nintendo gamecube

>>379468121
Their lawyers can only pull the plug on streams.

>>379466636
Why are people so asshurt about melee players?
It's like they're taking a ladder and climbing up the side of a house to peer into a man's second story window as he jerks off in his own home, and then getting offended at seeing such a disgusting act.

competitive melee needs to die

it's the same 6 autists in the top 6 playing the same characters, every single tournament, because the scene is so god damn stale and dead that it's impossible for anyone to move in or make waves or try something new

and then they whine about nintendo not supporting them, they fucking hate you and are trying to stop you from ruining their image

>>379466636
holy shit, who gets this mad that they would want a game to be worse just to spite others

>>379468224
is this bait?

>>379468237
Get good

>playing party games past the age of ten
>competitive party games at all

OK, can a Melee player please answer me?

Why the sweet fuck does Melee control like every character is made out of slippery lead? Seriously; the simple act of moving in that game is more infuriating than the actual fights. Why is this?

>>379468217
salt

>>379468302
>Playing video games

>>379468309
IT'SH SHKILL BASED MOVEMENT U WOULDN'T KNOW ANYTHIGN ABOUT IT CASHUL

>>379468296
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

>>379468279
The best sets are all in top 16. Grand finals is almost always more of the same though, still disappointed that SFAT choked the one time he made it.

Would it be better to delete meleefags from /v/ or soulsfags?

>>379468279
>>379468302
Autists are allowed to have a hobby, and I maintain Smash is a valid fighting game. Just because it often is a party game doesn't mean it can't be somewhat competitive.

>>379468358
>playing games

>>379468309
it just takes some practice, melee isnt easy to learn and starting off you will eat shit till you learn the essential movement techniqes

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>I want this fixed version of melee to exist to spite melee players

Was this written by a real person? More importantly, who cares? Just let people play their game. No one's forcing you to watch it.

>>379468317
smashies have brought to the fgc: Rape, molestation, theft, stinky fuckers that had to be warned about their smell in order to play, hitbox, and fucking divas on levels never heard of before.

>>379468309

theres no buffering so you have to time things properly.

If you press something a frame early when trying to link moves nothing would come out.

The gravity of the game is a lot higher than other smash games on average and momentums carries through to your jump so you flying.

So does melee have a high skill floor or a low skill floor.

>>379468309
There is no input buffering because the game was deigned like shit. On top of that, there's this retarded thing known as smash running because they messed up how your character transitions from walking to dashing, so you need to 'smash' the stick really quickly every time you want to run. Every fucking time. And when you want to turn you need to smash the stick but let go within a certain timing otherwise your character stops in place.

>>379468457
and there's literally 0 point to learning it because you will never, never, never stack up in a million years to these autists with jank controllers and 16 years of muscle memory doing the same shit in the same dead game over and over and over

>>379468410

soulsfags never fuck off. They shit up every thread by mentioning darksouls and half the thread becomes a darksouls thread.

>>379468309
Sorry.

>>379468309
Movement in Melee is very much physics-based and relies on momentum much more than your traditional 2D fighter. It's why things like wavedashing and platforming-canceling are a thing

>>379468554
Theoretically, even competitive melee has a pretty low floor. You can point out all the tech and whatnot, but Borp just goes to show you don't need tech to play at a high level

>>379468061
It's a rare case of the skill ceiling being too high, depending on who you ask. Because of all of the ridiculously precise, wrist destroying tech in the game you have a group of people who have been playing it so long at a high level that the only other people who can reliably beat them are the other people in that same group.

>>379468554
Low skill floor, really high skill celling

>>379468592
most people suck at melee and are no were near as good as those you see at tourneys. you really dont have to do the crazy stuff you see in tourneys to have fun in say, locals or netplay

>>379468554
Chaingrabbing is a simple strategy that can take you very, very far

>>379468297
>get good at random elements

I guess you are indeed retarded

>>379468657
>>379468696
So it's easy to pick up and play, but you will be trod on and on until you can truly master melee.

>>379468504
>Rape, molestation, theft
already in FGC classic
>stinky fuckers
the only valid one
>hitbox
the hit box was made based on people from the GGPO generation who played fighting games on their keyboard
>fucking divas on levels never heard of before
I didn't know Smash had KaneBlueRiver and K-Brad

>>379468272
Well they only brought up removing Melee from evo in OP's image, which is streamed. I don't think it would take very long for other Melee tournaments to die off if they couldn't stream them, either.

>>379468637
This is probably one of the main reasons i personally prefer to play Melee when it gets down to it.
Smash 4 brought a lot of new mechanics and characters to the table that I really like, but the game just doesn't feel as good to play right now

>>379468798
You probably can't master Melee, to be honest, Di SDI, frame perfect combos/strings/pressure and on top of that perfect movement aren't really things regular humans should be able to do. But yeah anyone can grab the game and play it in a competitive setting and have fun.

>>379468571
fighting games don't typically have input buffers, SFV having one has arguably made things worse

>>379468856
do you not remember when KBrad of all people had to call out smash kids on being divas who required VIP rooms at events?

I can't think of a more repetitive, stale e-sport game that exists.

>>379468798
There's a couple things like wave-dashing and l-cancels that will bring you a long way, but I'd say there's about 85% of people who play at a low-level, with another 10% being truly competitive with the top 5% upper crust sparring with one another

LOW

>>379468856
>KBR and Kbrad on levels with a faggot who quit a tournament because "muh defect"

>rape, molestation and theft already in FGC
would literally have been the first I've heard of it, I know there were real fist fights and beatings, but I'm almost certain smash brought in the rest.
Sorry, meant smashbox, completely made to be more compliant to make exploiting easier.

>>379468125
No, I consider somebody using a special controller that allows for the use of additional techniques to be cheating. They're better than me, but they still cheat as well. Both can be true.

>>379469004
Brood War

>>379468246
The spectacle is entertaining though.

>>379468984
that's funny because Street Fighter should implement them as well, Daigo, Mike Ross, etc literally cannot walk at an event without people asking for autographs anymore.

Also I don't get why VIP shit it's that wrong, literally every single esport does it BUT the FGC, yet people act like Melee is the only competitive thing where people have this celebrity mindset.

>>379468958
>>379469017
So you'll just get trampled on and on if you try to go competitive.

>>379467478
Basically this. Melee is a solved game and every tournament is just the same 5 or so "Gods" randomly beating each other.

>>379468968
I haven't played SFV, but isn't it input-lag that people complain about instead of input-buffering? Because there is a difference.
In Melee you have to wait out a move down to the frame before you can do another one other wise the game will eat your input. I know it's not traditional in fighting games, but this is Smash we're talking about.

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>>379466636
Melee scene needs to be killed outright the recent Hungrybox outburst should seal their fucking fate. FGC is already sick of them and are incredibly close to losing the Evo spotlight.

These people are like in a permanent time stasis they choose to be in and I think its time to forcefully pull them out of it.

>>379469068
You can get that controller too. It's not cheating when everyone can get one if they really want to.

>>379468779
Chaingrabbing is harder than you realize, and the tradeoff is not worth it unless you know a good follow up or set up afterwards

>>379469045
do you consider roll canceling in CvS2 and charge partitioning in 3rd Strike to be "exploiting"?

>>379468793
Yes get good.
I bet you bitch when you lose in poker too

>>379466636
Bugs and animation canceling is the true metagame of all video games, only butthurt casuals who can't do it get pissy about that shit.

>>379469120
You should find people around your skill level, yes, otherwise you would get fucked.

>>379466636
Meleefags are the most cancerous autists out of any nintendo fanbase, and i'm counting krystalfags and hoennbabbys.

>>379469119
FGC is so small in comparison, it's laughable
It doesn't have some sort of lootbox money or sub money and countries supporting it like most of the other esport scenes
Smashies really need to wake up and realize their in a dying scene.

>>379469183
You are being retarded, do you also like random stun on Street Fighter 2?

>>379469120
No? It's like anything else, if you're committed and you practice, you can do well. Syrox is only 18, played online almost exclusively only for a few years and has scored wins off a number of the top 15

>>379469025

TIER

>>379469261
Didn't stop daigo

>>379469227
>tfw youre all three of these things to various degrees

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>>379469253
>Smashies really need to wake up and realize their in a dying scene.

keep crying bitch nigga

>>379469165
It is worth it at low/mid skill-levels because most people won't be able to punish you whiffing a move
There is a reason why Ganondorf and Ice Climbers dominate most local tournaments but are almost nonexistent in nationals

Wouldn't be an issue if Smashbabbies would move to the newest game in the series just like everyone else in the FGC does for every other game series.

>>379469279
SALAD DODGING

>>379469279
FRAUD

>>379469332
fidget spinners will literally steal half of melees playerbase

>>379469313
you didn't answer the question, nigger

>>379469119
Because the C in FGC means community. As in not being an asshole because we're in it together.

>>379469135
The input buffer in SFV essentially means that, among other things, blockstrings and frametraps will always be airtight and combos will always succeed. Consequently, execution is trivialized, leaving you with a game of pure frame data.

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>>379466636

I really hope they re-release melee but Nintendo removes wave dashing

>>379469317
I'd tell you to remove yourself from the gene pool, but it's a moot point anyway.

>>379469332
What tournament is this?
CEO?
EVO?
Combo Breaker?
NCR?
SCR?
Frosty Faustings?
What?
and even still these numbers are pathetic in comparison to the rest of the esports scenes, I think that part flew over your head.

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>>379469279
G O D

>>379469403
LOL, yeah right that's why Jwong has been splitting money for years and why Gootecks is charging 100 for an hour of "tutoring"

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>>379469450

>>379469432
I know you're memeing but why

>>379469162
>You can get that aimbot too. It's not cheating when everyone can cheat

>>379469313
It sure doesn't matter when you play O. Fagat.

>>379469432
Cool, you've removed directional dodges from the game, and successfully casualized it closer to Brawl levels.
Feel like adding tripping while you're at it?

>>379469450
>and even still these numbers are pathetic in comparison to the rest of the esports scenes
This is objectively wrong

>>379469496
>compare the whole FGC to other esports originally
>somehow moving the goalpost
Classic smashie shitter

>>379467536
>why do you think smashies hated anything after melee?

The same reason people who aren't retarded hate SFV?

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>>379469381
>fidget spinners
That's not a nice nickname. Please refer to the new game by its proper name, ARMS.

I'll excuse stuff like wavedashing as a fun exploit that adds depth to the game but the issue with armada's controller is too much if it gives him a legit advantage of any kind. This is fun to play with my friends but what a nightmare the scene becomes at a competitive level.

Q. Why are you so obsessed with meleefags /v/?

Q. Why are you so cancerous meleefags?

>>379468070
>why do you think he added more weight and combo moves to sm4sh
Sm4sh is still floaty as hell and all of the "combos" are just cookie cutter bullshit. It might be better than Brawl, but it's nowhere near as fluid or enjoyable as Melee and Project M.

>>379469447
>projecting

>>379469532
The controllers aren't modifying the game to make you an unkillable machine. It's the same thing as using a fightstick as opposed to a regular controller.

>>379469564
If everyone is using it, it isn't an advantage anymore.

>>379469537
>casualized a party game

>>379469569
Melee is cancer because it has existed for so long
/v/ is obsessed because /v/ loves cancer

>>379467478
>The Melee scene consists of basically 5 players who do the same thing
The thing is you aren't even exaggerating, and even then recently Leffen and Mew2king have won fuck all

>>379469569
it's just jelly fgcucks that are mad because melee thrives while all worthwhile anime games die and they are stuck with the worst street fighter to date

>>379469584
>Sm4sh is still floaty as hell
Compared to Melee, maybe. And I love Project M.

>>379469631
>/v/ is cancer
ftfy

>>379469537
Or just make it so that directionally dodging into a floor does not result in you sliding along it.

>>379469154
>losing the evo spotlight
>evo 2016 was a huge success and obe of the most viewed finals where armada vs. Hbox
yeh right

>>379469562
DELETE THIS

>>379469674
B-but it's not a glitch!

>game that's never been patched has people at the competitive level doing weird shit

shocking

You can now delete this group of people from the internet forever, however you can choose one and only 1.

Meleefags
Soulsfags
SJWs
/pol/
Furries
/mlp/
Skeletons

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>>379466636

imagine being so bad at everything you have to be a tryhard at whining about other tryhards who are at least good at one thing

>>379469732
Skeletons, get those creepy fuckers outta here

>>379469674
You'd have to give everyone incredibly high friction and make it so there can't be any sort of sliding movement on the ground at all, which also makes the whole game shittier all around.

Why not just keep wavedashing in, since it's not hard and it only makes the game more interesting?

>>379469732
You

>>379469674
do you hate fun my nig

>>379469495
that first argument proves my point and Gootecks has said himself that he prices himself so high because he wants people to sign up for training with the other players

>>379469674
removing a movement technique that most people that like the game enjoy doing is a bad thing

>>379469732
Skeletons

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>>379469693
Don't look at me, I like Arms threads!

>>379469732
If I delete skeletons from the internet, are they deleted from real life?

>>379467478
Although that's a true statement Melee it's still very fun to play today and the drama surrounding the people that win it's interesting. Kinda like Football or boxing

>>379466636

Armada is a faggot, the definition of a try hard. M2k at least has his autism excuse on why he tries so hard.

>>379469682
He's right, but only because sfv split it's viewer base by opting to choose ESPN over twitch

>>379469732
SJWs are the only ones out of those that dont play videogames, fuck them

>>379469498
>>379469537

Because it's a fucking glitch that gave birth to the most elitist and cancerous fanbase in vidya

Everything can stay the same except wave dashing. Pretty much what this anon suggested sounds good

>>379469674

>>379466636
>there are people this mad that other people enjoy things
Scum.

>>379469732
Just from the internet?

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Meleefaggots will never be taken seriously because they refuse anything that isn't Melee. Nothing will change because they refuse to change.

Say what you will about people playing "Obligation Fighter V", but at least there's a drive to move forward, not just from sponsors, but from within the community itself. There is a hunger for something new, something different, even if that comes with a new set of problems.

This will NEVER happen with the melee community. It could be a HD remake, it could be an unofficial mod, it could be a third-party non-Nintendo Smash game, hell it could BE a Nintendo Smash game focused completely on appealing to the Melee community; it simply won't matter. Meleefaggots will never move on, they have snowed themselves in, forever stuck playing their broken retrofitted party game. They will never accept something different, something new, they are an evolutionary dead-end.

>>379469840
so you're buttmad that a game has a glitch that people have adapted to using to further their enjoyment of the game because you hate the games fanbase

quit being a child

>>379469787
Or give the character special properties regarding friction during an air dodge that does not alter general movement.

The point of removing wavedashing would be pure spite, I don't care about making a good game.

>>379469674

Is there any reason you want this done, other than taking something away from people you don't like?

>>379469831
>the definition of a try hard
You say that like it's a bad thing, the fuck holds an impecable record and to this day still wins 10k+ at every event he wins. It would be like asking Muhammad Ali to fight with a broken finger, wow what a fag, am I right?

>>379468592
Then why ever try to get at any competitive game?

>glitches
>exploits

I don't give two shits about melee, but weren't a bunch of these "exploits" deliberately left in and even given their names by the dev team?

>>379469840
Directional airdodges into the ground causing you to slide was programmed in 100% intentionally and something that almost anyone would eventually do by accident. The developers even knew you could use it to slide around, but they decided to leave it in.

>>379469914
No, people aren't playing sfv to progress. It's being forced by capcom and kept alive through Sonybucks. The pros are forced to play it because money

Also capcom has a contract with TOs that they can't host sf4

>>379470007
Yes, the dev team knew about them.

>>379469914
But people were moving on to PM when that shit was hot, you are wrong by the fact that it already happened.

what's the point of this thread

>>379470007
No? Wavedashing only counts because the animation itself has a name, everything else was unintentional.

>>379470067
shitposting

>>379469840
>Everything can stay the same except wave dashing

Okay so you know nothing. Why waste energy hating something you don't even understand?

>>379469840
If you honestly believe wavedashing was the thing that gave birth to the competitive Melee scene you are fucking retarded.
And again, it's not a glitch.
It's a product of the momentum and friction systems in the game. That's why Luigi appropriately is ultra-greasy and wavedashes around like a crazy motherfucker, while Ganon can only do it in small dashes. It's not a glitch, it's appropriate for each character, and essentially just hidden tech.
>>379469914
If that's true, why was PM growing into a huge scene before the devs killed it? Why do people play PM to this day even though the devs killed it? Because meleefags don't give a fuck about some sacred aspect of the game, they give a fuck about the game's systems and rules. If Nintendo honestly gave a shit and

>>379469963
Nope. I like the idea of competitive Smash, too, but Melee diehards are obnoxious. I like Melee, but it's over 15 years old, so I don't mind ruining it to spite them. It would probably take more than removing wavedashing to actually ruin it though.

>>379470067
It's FGCuck Whining Thread #287461

>>379470090
no one would complain if they fixed actual glitches like the invisible ceiling

>>379470007

Wavedashing I don't think had a name, but L-canceling certainly did, in smash 64 it even was in the guide. L-canceling was nerfed between games as Z-cancling from 64 would remove all lag from a aerial.

>Nintendo says smash is not a fighting game, it's a party game
>meleefags cry about nintendo not treating smash as a super serious fighting game

Doesn't matter how many autistic things meleefags do, the fact they can't understand nintendo doesn't want to make smash a serious fighting game and keep crying about it makes them the most retarded type of person in the world.

>>379469914
>It could be a HD remake, it could be an unofficial mod
Project M got the attention of a hell of a lot of meleefags until it was kill. If the Switch came out with a 1:1 HD remake of melee that accepted GC controllers there's a good chance most of them would use that instead, eventually.

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Meleefags who don't play in locals/tourneys don't really give a shit about Melee as a game, they care about how trendy it is and how they get sick nerd cred for posting about M2K and Leffen on Facebook while sharing (((hilarious))) Melee memes like pic related. If Melee were the exact same game but Brawl had the larger tournament scene instead, they would eagerly be posting Brawl memes because again, they don't give a shit about the game, posting about Melee is just a status symbol to these people. Most of them can't even consistently pull off the most basic of techs and care more about the lore and stories surrounding the stagnant top players rather than actually playing or supporting the game.

>>379470129
>>379470062
>were
lol

I guess Melee is dead then seeing as the devs abandoned that

The only thing they are right about is the fact that melee players want Melee HD the way they want, when in reality you can't trust modern day Nintendo with anything like that. It would completely ruin the game for meleefags. Like literally a melee that plays like smash 4.

Still, the people talking there don't know shit about melee and are fucking idiots.

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>>379470140
>so I don't mind ruining it to spite them

>>379470224
>If Melee were the exact same game but Brawl had the larger tournament scene instead
This would only happen in a world where Brawl is a superior game to melee, in which case, yes, people would prefer Brawl to Melee.

>>379470220

The caveat, its based on the pal version of melee.

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>>379470224
>Nintendo
>retweeting a Melee post

>>379470220
>1:1 HD remake
Not possible in the way they want. Meleefags have broken the game down to the code, a 1 or 0 out of place and they wouldn't accept it

Plus they refuse to play on a HD tv, even lagless monitor which everyone else uses

>>379470301
I'm talking specifically about a hypothetical scenario in which both games are exactly the same, but for some asinine reason, Brawl became the popular tournament game while Melee is as niche as 64. The majority of the normalfags posting about how much they love Melee don't care about the game or the mechanics, they only want to fit in with the rest of the crowd.

>>379470275
Sakurai's mode of thinking now is more along the lines of "I don't want to make another game like Melee because I already made it."
Worst that could happen is we get the PAL version, which would cement it as the global tournament standard.

>>379470251
Streamers were afraid of Nintendo banning the game (they already tried to boycott Melee at EVO) and if they can't stream it = no views = no sponsors = no money = less players, etc. Eventually people lost interest in PM financially because they couldn't stream it and people just moved on to Melee, the PMDT stopped development no much later after that.

When PM was in the come up Armada, m2k, mang0, Hbox, PPMD, etc they all played the game and upsets were a common occurrence all through top 50, let alone that PM slowly started to surpass Melee in entrants, you are just further proving that you know nothing about what you are talking about.

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>play smash bros brawl with my friends
>enjoy the multiplayer battles, using items, fucking around and seeing our favorite video game characters, finding out who's the best fighter
>single player is awesome as well, it's a whole adventure
>that hype when a new challenger appears
>years later, buy smash bros for wiiu
>no single player campaign
>characters removed
>moves changed but "its better for competitive players"
>dlc characters
>and it's on fucking wiiu
why

>>379470348
you know that gamecubes don't have HDMI right

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You all need to understand something. All of you, whether you love it or hate it.
At this point, melee has become an immortal videogame.

They can do an updated port with all tech remove. Melee survives.
They can destroy all discs of the game, official controllers, and CRTs. Melee survives.
Nintendo can outright ban it from any big tournament. Melee fucking survives.

Melee is the only 100% true grassroots game community. Playing this game could become illegal, and fucks would still play it.
There's no killing Melee now. Whether you like it or not.

>>379469840
>Because it's a fucking glitch that gave birth to the most elitist and cancerous fanbase in vidya

You mean anti-meleefags?

>only some of the GC controllers can be "broken" the right way to use the "advanced techs"
>they are not manufactured anymore

Just wait a little guys, soon they'll not have the "good" controllers and this shit will be finally over.

I do think the melee community wants to move on, but none of the other smash games really appeal on the same level. Brawl fucking sucks to watch and play, Smash 4 is fun to play but boring to watch.

The difference between the games is pretty staggering, it would be like telling street fighter 2 fans that the next game is going to play like mortal combat 1.

>>379470224
this. a good majority of "melee players" on /v/ don't actually play melee or go to locals.

>>379468657
>Borp
Stop talking about melee like that if you know nothing about it. Borp isn't erven top 1000, he is higher mid level at most. Retard.

>>379470348
>lagless monitor
Those are HDMI only; conversion from VGA to HDMI delays you a few frames.

>>379470453
>Streamers were afraid of Nintendo banning the game
No that was an excuse

> PMDT stopped development no much later after that.
And melee stopped years before

But keep pretending it would have been big

>>379470526
I'd play illegal underground Melee. There should be a movie about this.

>>379470490
>liking SSE

>>379470348
>Plus they refuse to play on a HD tv
That's because the game/gamecube itself aren't meant to be displayed on an HD tv and it produces a noticeable amount of lag. It's safe to assume the theoretical switch port wouldn't have this issue (I'm honestly not sure how they'd fuck that up but they could probably find a way), I'm sure they'd be glad to not have to lug around CRT's.

>>379470572
Are you fucking retarded
Legitimate question

>>379470553
Armada is only the straw that broke the camel's back.

This attitude is what really is fucking the smash melee community.

>>379470528
gotem

>>379470572
>No that was an excuse
No it wasn't, actually. They never threaten to do it but not only was the PMDT afraid of a lawsuit or D&C from Nintendo (you and me know they've done this before) but also you can't get sponsors for a modded game if the company doesn't support it, that's obvious.
>But keep pretending it would have been big
It was, retard, bigger than Melee for a while, actually.

>>379470663
Actually it hasn't affected the Melee community whatsoever. Good try though.

>>379470436
>Worst that could happen is we get the PAL version, which would cement it as the global tournament standard.
That would objectively the best that could happen. The best version of melee in HD. Americans not adapting PAL after 15 years is just what it is: Americans being retarded idiots that can't admit the european version is better than their own. And then they whine about Fox every fucking tournament. Fox is arguably not the best in PAL.

>>379470412

Melee is just more fun to watch. Sm4sh and Brawl are sluggish and they barely even have combos, let alone any kind of tense off-stage play. You wouldn't even need to have played any of the games to notice this.

>>379470559
>>379470493
>>379470640
Thanks for proving my point guys

And no you can connect a GC and no it does not create any real lag

> HD tv and it produces a noticeable amount of lag
What part of lagless monitor do you struggle with?

>>379470342
Did you forget about the time Meleefags sucked daddy Nintendo's cock around the time of Smash 4's release? They went up on stage, shook hands with Reggie & co, and helped showcase Smash 4 in exchange for sponsorship money and by extension, the death of Project M. It's funny that Hungrybox thinks he has any right to call out Nintendo when he's one of the people who happily participated in said cocksucking.

>>379470538
>I do think the melee community wants to move on
They don't, they'd rather die than give genuine support to any attempts at creating a successor to Melee. Project M died because of the aforementioned cocksucking, Nintendo didn't flat out C&D it but they bullied it out of big events and eventually the devs got too scared to continue with it, and any fanmade projects that lack Nintendo characters fail to even get off the ground because most of the fanbase secretly refuses to play anything without iconic Nintendo characters.

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I'm going to ask an honest question. Does anyone actually play this game competitively other than the same group of people for the past 8 years? Everyone keeps saying that the game is still growing but it's just the same nerds over and over again. I've seen people call them gods and that no one will ever even touch them, but if that's the case, then doesn't it just cement the idea that the game cannot move forward if there's ~8 people who are unbeatable to anyone not named themselves?

Also what specific malfunction caused this shitstorm?

>>379470660
No I don't play melee

>>379470732
>No it wasn't, actually. They never threaten to do it
Fucking lol

>bigger than Melee for a while,
>b-b-but one small tournament it got 5 more people

>>379470817
there was a 700 man tournament in michigan and a 400 man tournament in canada last weekend, all with new and old blood

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What's the fucking hateboner anti-meleefags have over wavedashing?
It's an extremely fun and easy to do mechanic (seriously you can learn how to do it with most characters in just a little bit).
It makes the game more fun, faster, and complex (for those into more complex games).

I like being able to slip and slide all over the place. Being able to instantly reposition yourself and move backwards while looking forwards is great.

>>379470787
Go ahead and hook one up, and see how it feels.

>>379470817
Melee gets a lot of shitters who can't do anything special, then a tiny handful of good people and 5 people who will be the top of any tournament

That was just armada making an excuse after losing doubles real hard.

dash-backing consistently is only armada's and maybe m2ks autism, I can bet you mango doesnt even know what a dash-back is but he can still beat armada.

>>379470879
Alright you've proven your stupidity so I'll stop replying now

>>379470769
PAL is bad because it's less fun. Sure you can argue that it has better balance (which is wrong by the way, NTSC 1.00 has the best balance due to the way it handles SDI and a ton of low/mid tier tech still being there), but the changes it adds are terrible. It even nerfs fucking Ganondorf, and makes Sheik even more reliant on needles making her even more annoying to fight against. PAL buffs Jigglypuff hardcore, we don't need that shit.

>>379470917
if nobody new ever accomplishes anything then what's the point

>>379470735
Mm me you scrub.

I am 100% confident i would win. I took stocks off mew2king. I bea fiction once. Prog hit on a man in front of me.

>>379470787
Do you know how signal conversion works

>>379470817
More people do join, but they don't actually get anywhere
You gotta remember this game has MARIO and LINK and PIKACHU so this game appeals to children that pad numbers, you'll never see more parents then at a melee tournament.
So the game is literally only alive because of the appealing Nintendo characters and not the exploiting game play that everyone seems to fellate ever so generously

>>379470936

it's the only tech they know by name

>>379466636
sometimes bugs or unintended behavior makes games better (strafe jumping, rocket jumping)
having a bugged controller is blatant bullshit though

>>379470551
Nigga /v/ in general doesn't play games, just go into an overwatch thread for proof of this.

>>379471006
But Zain beat Leffen last weekend and a bunch of faggots that started playing at least 5 years ago are starting to get to top 50 rankings pretty quickly
>why can't there be upsets waa waaa
>why must games reward skill over random low skill ceiling that allow for stupid blowouts
>why do i have to work hard to get good

>>379466636
What is the real world sports equivalent to this? What real sport is this dumb?

>>379469732
/pol/

this was so easy

>>379471257
probably something like a wide receiver quitting because he doesn't have his particular set of gloves that are sticky

>>379471257
It would be like someone refusing to compete because they have a broken ankle or something

>>379471257
something like billiards? They're peculiar about the tools they use.

>>379471183
When you biggest recent shake up is one guy (who hasn't even been doing super well against the top players) got beat once and new people in top 50, you got issues

>>why must games reward skill
When no one else is reaching that level especially not consistently it is boring. That is why melee is all storylines these days, the matches are dull so people have to make up a story to hype it up

>>379466636
I hate melee with a passion. I try to go to my college video game club to meet people with similar interests. Turns out its a group of 40 people who only play smash, with literally no interest in other video games. They then precede to insult me because I don't know to wave dash. Melee fans are just autistic man children.

>>379471124
>this entire post
Do you want me to tell you how I know that you've never been to a melee tournament?
Melee tourneys are all 20+ fuckers who stink of weed. There's no parents around.
You get like an stray 12 year old sometimes, but they're tech monsters who play Fox or Falco.

>>379471027
I AM THE MAN THAT PROG HIT ON BICH.

>>379471402
I mean I would be pretty fucking hyped if I saw mang0 vs leffen at genesis 4 even if i didn't know that was mang0 or leffen so I'm not sure about that

>>379471360
Yeah, snooker is pretty stupid and archaic.

>>379471330
>>379471346
I mean a sport that currently exists. Not like a theoretical stupid scenario in an otherwise rational sport.

>>379471402
>the matches are so dull people have to make a story to hype it up
No I don't. I watch melee because the matches are legitimately amazing.

>>379471257

Any sport. People weren't "intended" to use PEDs.

>>379471447
>he literally got bullied by smashnerds
How much lower can you fall in the food chain? Poor thing

>>379469821
Why the fuck should I care about drama at a fucking video game tournament. Its not the fucking WWE. Drama shouldnt be what entices me to watch the same 4 people play at Evo. Drama shouldnt be an acceptable answer when the meleefags boo and hiss at every game that isnt melee.

When organizers finally realize how stale the game has gotten and give it less time, meleefags can fuck off back to watching MTV or the CW for their drama fix.

The best Melee players are really sad people. Can't say that about other fighting games.

>>379471540
because it's fun? it's not even about drama, is about wanting your favorite players to win, that's pretty much it

>>379471572
you can make a case for sonicfox and wolfkrone

Anti-meleefags are the anti-intellectuals of videogames. It's like a strange amalgamation of Brawlfags and fgc stream monsters. They hate that the players are skilled at something that isn't easy to do, and they can't comprehend ever trying to be good at something even when you may not actually become the best.

>>379471572
Armada is regular, Mang0 is alright.
Leffen is a weeb, m2k is a sperg, and Hbox is awful.
2/5 is Ok I guess.

>>379471620
>these nobodies
>best

>>379471642
Smash = Shit

>>379471620
Sonicfox wins 99% of the tournaments he enters and wolfkrone is one of the best lauras in the world

>>379471620
you can have wolfkrone but sonic "13-0" fox lives his life to the fullest and I respect that

>>379471531
I'm president of anime club now so that's up to you to decide.

>>379471726
meant for >>379471662

>>379471764
I appreciate your honesty, you're a champ.

>>379471620
But everyone does hate Sonicfox and Wolfkrone for being fags and especially Sonic for winning every NRS related tournament

>>379471402
If you only care about upsets instead of the matches themselves, go watch some other game. Daigo getting beat by Lupe doesn't make SFV exciting even though it's a shake up.

>>379471648
Hbox is probably the most normal person out of the 5 even though I hate his guts

>>379471716
Proving my point.

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>>379471764
Who's your waifu so I can wavedash all over her into a dustcancelled platform interrupted drop reversed teether magnetized negative attack finisher?

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>>379471887
>hbox is normal
did you see his last victory speech?

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>>379468302
>being more autistic than smashfags

>>379471596
>melee is fun and the drama is interesting
>why the fuck should I care about drama.
>its not about drama.

Lel.

>>379470936
People who are bad at games want everyone to be as miserable as them.

It's the same as people begging for nerfs in games instead of adapting.

>>379471934
suck my dick

I remember when a bunch of people in the smash community ended up booing a kid in a tournament because he beat one of the top smash pros to the point where the kid started crying because he thought he did something wrong when he should have been happy for winning(to be fair the pro player did try to get them to stop booing and consoled the kid). They also jeered during another game's top 8 finals as well and took all the seats.

Though to be fair there was a massive backlash of criticism within the smash community from its own members towards these individuals. You don't ever see this level of treatment or attitude from other FG communities to other games.

>>379472032
>i said it was all about drama
Maybe you should learn to read before using the computer, anon.
If the game itself was shit then the drama would suck and feel forced, like Smash 4, but Melee's gameplay it's fun as FUCK to watch to it helps a lot to get people invested.

>>379472113
[citation needed]

>>379472113
I've never heard about that first story, are you sure that wasn't a different game?

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>>379472113
That kid was playing ICies wasn't he?

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Not at all

Every competitive game in existence uses "exploits"

You guys know Combo's were an exploit in Street Fighter 2? should fighting games ban Combo's just because your feelings are hurt that someone else beat you in a fucking video game

Also Armada plays fucking Jigglypuff, a shit tier character, that's why people don't mind him using a controller that makes back dashing easier

Why is M2k the only smash player who does well in both melee and smash 4

>>379472310
>armada plays jigglypuff
this is bait

>>379472443
Besides Hbox, he is literally the only top player to enjoy both games. He played Brawl too.

>>379472443
actual autism

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>reading this thread
>meleefags still exist and they're worse than ever

>>379469154
>Hungrybox outburst
What happened

>>379472310
>Combos exploits in this one game from the 90's nobody ever plays anymore unless it's one of the later versions where combos are intended, so it's okay if the top players in my solved game for children exploit the shit out of it

>Sakurai: Smash isn't meant onto be played competitively
>Meleefags: look at all these bugs and exploits. It's totally a competitive game
>Sakurai creates Sm4sh and adds a mode for competitive play to please people
>Meleefags: want the fcuk is this gay shit?
They're really the worst of the worst

>Hungrybox outburst
>Armada withdrawing from a tournament
I haven't heard about either of these until this thread. Can someone give me a rundown?

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melee is more random than sfv

>>379472172
>>379472216
>>379472267

Definitely sure it was Smash Bros, i don't remember who he was playing against. I think the guy playing was Zero? Might not have been EVO but it was definitely a big scale tournament. I think this was during the height of which game was to be the representation smash game for the community with the decision being between brawl/melee and people wanted melee more than brawl so they could have just been booing the game itself but it's still poor attitude.

>>379472638
His point was that glitches and exploits that are in every copy of the game are what cause these games to grow and expand in complexity. If any of you niggers ever played GunZ you'd understand.

>>379471006
it's a fucking fun video game
what's so hard to grasp about this?

>>379469914
That isn't true, SFV is played because of money, no other reason

If the Pro's had a choice, they would still be playing 3rd Strike

Also Melee players were moving to Project M, but Nintendo banned it

>>379472512
Just a shame that Hbox is shit at smash 4

>>379469154
>FGC is already sick of them and are incredibly close to losing the Evo spotlight.
Lol. EVO is literally never going to drop Smash because of all the venue money it brings. It tops all non- SF games together.

>>379472310
>Armada plays fucking Jigglypuff
> a shit tier character
both wrong

>>379472594
he said fuck nintendo for not supporting their scene ever. In a way he's right but he didn't have to sperg out about it

>>379468084
So he's shit then is what you're saying.

>>379472679
Hungrybox went wah take us seriously fucking nintendo, they won't as supporting a old game on a console you don't make shit for is pointless and they wouldn't be happy with any port

Armada refused to play as his controller didn't work, yet did not have a spare of a 1 in 50 kind that sends less inputs making certain stuff easier

>>379472767
You're seriously pulling out GunZ to compare it to smash?
That glitchy ass game where koreans just lag the fuck out of the game and you can't even hit anyone if you try to play the game as intended?

>>379472852
Why does Nintendo need to support it? They seem to be doing fine without them for the past forever.

>>379472464
I meant Hungrybox

>>379470998
It's less fun, look at this fucking retarded idiot. Literally not a single argumen t that is good. Nerfing Ganondorf? so it nerfed Ganondorf, a character literally no one plays and is irrelevant, and not even a big ner f at that. Meanwhile all relevant characters are more balanced. Sheik more reliant on needles? The fact that sheik can fucking instant kill any floaty without any skill whatsoever at 100+% is fun to you? That's what I am talking about. Americans are literal retards.

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>>379469914
>move forward
>into fucking SF5

And yet every SF5 player wishes the community stuck with 3S or USF4.
And every UMVC3 player wishes the community stuck with MVC2.

What's the point of this way of thinking, is it just jealousy? SF5 fucking sucks. Melee is easily one of the best fighting games ever made. I'm sorry our community has fucking taste and a fucking backbone.

>>379472981
Cause they want validation and to make more money

>>379472926
if that's what you think people did in GunZ then you're an idiot.

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>>379467484
>i'm better than you because I have to play DDR to do a punch

>>379472981
Because it's more popular competitively than smash 4 and has been going strong for over a decade. Nintendo dropped the ball so hard it might never be a thing anymore though

>>379472756
You're thinking of Evo 2008, where some complete nobody beat one of the top Melee players at Brawl by using items.

>>379466636
I disagree with tech being cheating
It's not cheating if everyone can do it
Controller mods are more up in the air

Meleefags are the Nintendokiddies Sonygros meme about.

Tell me why Nintendo should support Melee. Seeing as how the GameCube and Melee itself have been out of print for over a decade, they make zero money from any of it. Any buying of either of those two support the secondhand market, not Nintendo.

>>379473428
>Sonygros
Babygrows, more like.

>>379472794
>If the Pro's had a choice, they would still be playing 3rd Strike
Kek, you mean the series that almost killled the fgc? The only good sf games are ST and alpha 3

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FSNLKQvImIk

>>379473460
Why not reprint Melee
Seriously, game is really expensive now because high demand limited supply. They would make a lot of money.

>>379473147
So Nintendo should fund a 15 year old games tournaments in which they'd gain absolutely nothing just so the same 5 people can make money? Yeah nah.

How long until the Melee discs stop working bros, I want this nightmare to end.

>>379473557
>you mean the series that almost killled the fgc?
no, the game that redeemed it, and was responsible for one of the most memorable moments in fighting game history

>>379473585
Don't even waste money reprinting it, they should have just ported it on Wii U virtual console since they already made a damn GCN adapter. Nintendo are retards.

>>379472794
In a perfect would, PM would be the standard for Smash that everyone would be playing.
It's not dead yet, it's been at Balc and SnS and is having its own tourney in July. I just wish it was mainstream because it really is the best smash.

>>379473662
People will just use Dolphin

>>379473585
Probably because they likely don't have the means to reprint old ass GameCube games. The manufacturing technology is likely extremely dated if they even still have it. Or desire seeing as how in the grand scheme of things, extremely few people would buy it.

>>379473557
>alpha 3
Good taste
It does have some v-ism bullshit though i never used it in favor of regular supers

>>379473746
Armada can't get assed to use a normal controller and you think he'll play on an emulator?

>>379473679
Im so tired of you Evo moment 37 cucks, you don't even play the fucking game.

are smashfags and soulsfags the same people?
>first game is generally thought of as okay by the community, mainly due to it being the first
>second game has numerous problems that people either ignore or defend to call the game a godsend, and those people will continue to argue about how much better it is than any of the others years after its release
>third game takes a leap from the old mechanics and physics and tries something new, while it has more content overall the community fucking hates it because it's not the same and "muh casuls"
>thing is released that isn't even a part of the main series, but the fanwank from the second game reaches here and considers it a main part of the series just because they love it so much
>fourth game comes out, generally considered to be better than the third but people continue to relentlessly shit on it when taking the second game into account