Why does /v/ hate shadows of valentia so much? Everywhere I go,

>>379439380
didn't read your post, keep posting more pictures though

>>379439380
Not everyone hates it, but some people criticize the writing and story

>>379439380
I enjoyed it more than Fates

>>379439380
It's the second coming of PoR

The weak should fear the strong!>>379439380

>>379439380

I love it

Celica is worst fire emblem girl.

>>379439380
Because it's a remake of the game THAT INSPIRED AWAKENING'S MAPS

The people that spent years trashtalking Awakening are now praising Gaiden, it just goes to show how the elitists are even worse an even more casual than the waifufags.

>>379439380

I just hate the execution of everything. I like what it tries to do, but in the end I'm just not a fan of this one.

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Maps are shit and the gameplay is more simplistic than Awakening.
But apparently it's okay when old FE does it.

>>379439380
/v/ is reddit-lite

>>379439380
I personally think Echoes is great. I actually enjoyed it more than Fates, but I can see some of the reasons people wouldn't like it. Its a remake of one of the supposed worst non nu games and suffers from the same reasons the original suffered.

The maps are fucking awful. Nearly all of them are open spaces with some terrain effects splashed here and there...That's actually my only gripe about it. I guess Faye's a weird addition to the game since she only serves as a weird mix of Shitja and all the unrequited love characters from previous games.

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>>379439380
It's really boring and the gameplay is ass. Other sites just like it because "not muh Awakening/Fates", and only care about story. Thankfully /v/, some faggots on /feg/ and even that shithole of a forum on serenesforest know that the game is just barely above average.

>>379439380

>Why does /v/ hate

The answer is invariably cause it's there. If it exists /v/ will hate it unless it's actually something kind of shitty in which case it might claim to like it for a month or two then it'll hate that thing too. Good thing /v/ is utterly irrelevant as it pertains to decision that get made by the video game industry so it doesn't really matter anyway.

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I'm three battles in with Alm and one battle with celica in chapter four and the games turned into a tedious slog fest. Dose it get any better or worse?

Thracia 776 remake when?

>>379441679
I personally enjoyed it more than awakening, because even on hard I could pair units and brute force through.

The maps in Echoes can be trying sometimes but there is always an easier way to do things if you figure it out. (warp and invoke) Some of my fave maps in the series desu. Those final 3 maps on Alm's path before the underground passage, perfect.

>>379439380
This is hot.

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The last Fire Emblem game with any dignity.

>>379441679
this

us smart gamers know that Conquest is still peak of the series.

>>379442175
Can't wait for easy mode!

I'm aware of Elite mode

>>379439380
The people who hate it are Fates apologists, who can't really post much about this game other than
>muh maps, muhfugga

>>379441941
play smarter, the maps are meant to be figured out. Not to mention you have that "tactic" feature you can use if you want to turn your brain off and skip the encounter.

>>379442391
>Can literally solo the game with Ike

>>379442175
i want to play that at some point. If all goes well, they might continue the "echoes series" and make more remakes. If they were to make one now, It would prolly be Genealogy of the holy war

>>379441941
What, you don't like SWAMP MAPS, anon?

What are you, a Fates apologist?

I bet you hated the Desert maps too.

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>>379442337
Awakening is shit. I never said Echoes wasn't better then it. Only thing Awakening has over Echoes is difficultly

>>379442392
Strawman. Never said anything about the quality of Conquest. Though Conquest's gameplay is up there.

>>379442391
>One of the easiest games in the series
>Main character is a bigger mary sue than the literal self-insert protagonists and gets his dick sucked as much as they do

>>379440407
Best girl.

>>379443000
Desert maps were fine. No poison on cantors spamming their damn summons.

Reminder that Celica is worst girl

>>379440407
i've been fapping to this pic for a week and half now

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dlcelica da best deal w/it

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So much for wearing the pants in this relationship, Clive.

>>379443974
DLC Alm a best.

>Celica tells me killing people is wrong
>Psssh, nothin personell, dumb bitch

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>>379439380
everyone likes it because it's piss easy, it shows how mechanics like the weapon triangle and the pair up(fates) really add another layer of strategy to the game while encouraging cheesy strategies.
i like how the mages and the clerics work though

>>379443918

Cum already, your dick is probably like a dried up gel air freshener by now.

>>379442391
Actually New Mystery was

>>379439380
All maps are wide open spaces with rout objective. Some have chokepoints, but that's the only variation.

>>379442391
You haven't play any of the games before 7. You don't know anything about the series dignity.

>>379441387
Faye's inclusion is strictly to make Alm appear more alpha because he blows her the fuck out in their A support.

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>>379440776
But I like both Awakening and Echoes.
In fact the only FE I don't like is Fates.

>>379444767
>doesn't like Conquest

go back to gamefaqs

>>379444253
>Mathilda is hell on a horse
>intimidates everyone with her presence when you recruit her
>Clive backs down from leading Deliverance the moment you show
>indecisive baby about saving people
>support with Mathilda is nothing but him kissing ass
Clive was a turbo beta the moment he was introduced.

Too bad my Mathilda has pretty bad str and def right now.

>>379440776
>>379441181
>I'm not smart enough to realize what sets Echoes apart from Awakening in design philosophy
But keep spouting "muh maps" like that's the only aspect of these games that exists.

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>>379444253

Its edged out sacred stones as my favorite of the handheld games for sure. Despite there being fewer classes than most fire emblem games there feels like there is more variety because each's role is so much better defined than usual with the bow and magic mechanics.

POST THICCI

>>379445220
I love the cast and the presentation, sure, but the GAMEPLAY is sort of the main focus when playing a strategy game.

That being said, Boey/ Mae and Gray/ Tobin always bickering in the background during cutscenes is fucking great. And Forscyth/ Python do the same thing in the DLC.

>>379445220
I'd love to hear an explanation.

the gameplay offers nothing in terms of interesting strategy, there are no side objectives or anything to try and accomplish on the (empty) maps except rout x number of enemies while you sit on terrain tiles while the dungeons are monotonous garbage where literally nothing interesting happens gameplay wise as you run through short corridors and fight enemies on the same square map, combined with the obnoxious skirmishes the game is overall a tedious slog that happens to have good presentation, a non-offensive story

>>379445272
>there feels like there is more variety because each's role is so much better defined than usual with the bow and magic mechanics.
What? Every class but Dread Fighters, Pegasi, Bow Knights are worthless. There is much more class variation in the previous games, especially Fates and Radiant Dawn.

>>379445287
Who?

>>379445272
Early-game it is that way, but endgame ends up as Dread Fighter and Priestess galore.

>>379444767

Same, I like Awakening and Echoes but not Fates for some reason.

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>>379445684

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You DID beat the Thabes Labyrinth without grinding, right?

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>>379440776

Echoes' open map works to its advantage because it helped emphasized the feeling that you were AT WAR. In addition there are a bunch of other gameplay mechanics that make each skirmish engaging and you could feel worth of each skirmish as each you time you pushed forward to reclaim a fortress or to push forward in the invasion to the warring country.

In contrast, Awakening's maps consisted of letting enemies pick themselves off to your paired up super units and the story sucked so there was no investment in any of the chapter battles.

Stop trying to compare them directly and look at each of the games as a whole to understand what makes one a good product and what makes one a bad product. It's not about the individual mechanics, it the synergy and the execution that turns ideas into gold or mud.

>>379446826
>Echoes' open map works to its advantage because it helped emphasized the feeling that you were AT WAR
No it doesn't. Every other FE game with good map design actually made you feel at war.

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>>379446592
Best girl.

>4/5 of the most recent games are rout the enemy emblem and 2 of them do it on empty squares
I'm afraid of even touching my unfinished game times because I might get burned out of FE before the switch title drops.

Pair up is an inherently shitty mechanic introduced as a crutch for bad players. Prove me wrong.

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>>379447806

>>379446826
But the maps are literally the same, just that Awakening didn't have shitty swamp maps. Hell, Gangrel's map is basically a "wide open war" map.

>In contrast, Echoes' maps consisted of letting enemies pick themselves off to your super dread fighters

>>379447806
Pair-up is a shitty mechanic in any game, it relegates a unit to be a backpack.

>>379448060
>still don't have to worry about positioning for support bonuses
>still randomly take zero damage from an enemy, even if they had 100% hit chance and would've dealt a killing blow
Shitty crutch mechanic. Fates apologists need to get out and stay out.

>>379445668
Saints have spammable Warp/Rescue/Physic and Invoke
Magic users are nukes who ignore terrain rather than being 1-2 range physical attackers who target res
Barons are far more minmaxed so they either completely neutralise enemies or roll over and die.
Gold knights are the only class without a niche.

>>379448606
>still don't have to worry about positioning for support bonuses
You literally do. Placing a unit 3 spaces any for a support bonus isn't doesn't require any thought.

>still randomly take zero damage from an enemy, even if they had 100% hit chance and would've dealt a killing blow
>randomly
Enemies use and abuse it and for the first time in the series the AI is actually competent because of it.

>>379439380
Enjoyed it more than fates and awakening.

>>379448734
GKs have like 9 movement and spears, they are supposed to be "mobile". Which is a pretty stupid niche since DFs have 7 move, have stupid amounts of speed, halve magic damage after calculating Res+5 and use BRAVE SWORDS or Zwiehanders.

>>379449136
>"Enemies use and abuse it and for the first time in the series the AI is actually competent because of it."
I don't remember the AI abusing it that much in Conquest.

>>379449515
You didn't play Conquest you little shit

>>379449762
It's amazing how hard that fucking toilet bowl completely kills her design for me.

>>379449453
DFs are definitely better, but spears do offer more ranged options. It's not lolhandaxes like fe7-10, but it means Matilda and Conrad can be good magekillers.

>>379449515
You haven't play it then. Fates is the first game with good AI.

>>379439380
>Everywhere I go, I always hear good things about this game.

Because you only ask idiots that care more about story than gameplay in motherfucking videogames.

Just how overpowered the DLC classes are? Do they ruin the experience by making everything stupidly easy? Faye is OHKOing motherfuckers left and right and she just recently got her first promotion into a fully fledged pegasus rider.

>>379449515
Chapter 3 alone had good use of it, the Samurai and Archer paired-up on the fort could one shot Felica at two range and dual guard a ton at close range. On Lunatic, they were really irritating.

>>379450216
>first

Last i meant, she's a falcon knight.

>>379450216
You need to be level 20 in your final class to access them, so they won't break anything that's not already broken.

>>379450216
you're probably not even going to get them in the base game since you need to be level 20 of the final promote to promote into the dlc classes

>>379450168
>Fates is the first good FE game

ftfy

>>379450216
They require a max-promoted unit at max-level to use. If you have your units at levels that high, you will murder the final boss. Alm could throw away his sword and beat Duma to death with his shield.

>>379450698
>I like gimmicks
Nintendo was right at marketing this as the game for le classic gamers.

>>379450945
>Maps should not have side objectives or strategies involved

I guess Fates must have been to complex for the Echoes crowd.

>>379451095
What side objectives? When does Conquest have green units to rescue or villages with time limits to get to? Where's the units with recruitment requirements that actually require effort? Conquest was good compared to Awakening and Birthrout but holy fuck, it's getting so overrated lately. It's still not as good as the majority of the older games.

>>379451095
>use royals to win
Nice.

>>379451260
>it's getting so overrated lately

Considering how much love a GAIDEN REMAKE IS GETTING, I completely disagree.

>>379451260
>villages with time limits to get to

Is't that like the fucking 2nd chapter in Conquest?

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>>379450698
It isn't. It's dogshit. Such a shame Conquest's map design and mechanics are so good but will never be put into another game because IS would rather take the easy way out like they did with SoV and will probably do for the Switch installment.

>>379451260
How you played Conquest? Serious question.

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>absolutely terrible class balance
>absolutely terrible weapon/equip balance
>but it's okay because the game is so easy a blind toddler can beat
>absolutely tedious and repetitive maps, either wide-open area where enemies bumrush you, or fortress assault with a million cantor summons
>contains quite literally the worst maps in the series (cantors on swamp maps)
>incredibly poor writing, bare-bones plot not even a child would be interested by, with two utterly boring protagonists and the laziest romance in FE history

I could go on and on but I'll stop here. Beat the game in 30 hours, was piss-easy, took a few more hours for postgame dungeon (all without grinding). This game is a joke. Nobody but the most casual FE fans will enjoy this.

>>379439380
You just answered your own question.

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Who was better?

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>>379439380
Awakening/Fates babies are mad about the lack of waifufaggotry and shipping mechanics?
I don't care, Echoes is the best FE game in years and probably the best first party game on 3DS

>>379451854
I liked Melia's playstyle of using different elements to get different buffs, debuffs and heals out there.

She's also better written than Faye and is given closure to her story.

>>379451572
it is lmao. Chpt 8 iirc, you need to get to the villages before the enemy or you're going to get buttfucked by reinforcements.

>>379451260
>green units to rescue

Several. One is fucking irritating because the greens keep running at the general and wyvern lord.

>villages with time limits to get to

Several as well, one even on a defense map.

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>>379451572
It literally is. You need to get to all the houses before a lancer gets to them to stop the reinforcements and get the gold. Getting three houses out of the six gives you the maximum gold reward. Or just leave that reward alone and kill all the reinforcements for exp.

>>379450945
You mean mechanics?

>>379451260
I think you have brain damage, but try playing Conquest next time and you'll understand.

>>379451306
>normal mode
Nice! Now never play another installment of the series.

>>379451472
Agreed, nobody remembers that gaiden is considered shit. The only people liking this are retards too stupid for Conquest.

>>379451635
Never post Nagito again

>>379451861
No, we Just like Fire Emblem for the gameplay, you can fuck off to Persona though

>>379451861
>Awakening/Fates babies are mad about the lack of waifufaggotry and shipping mechanics?
>Literally no one has brought it up on the thread yet

Besides, after the cringe that was Alm/ Celica, I really don't want a shipping mechanic in Echoes. God damn the Alm/ Celica romance was so bad.

Nothing can beat Mae/ Boey in terms of adorable anyway.

Are Conquestfags secretly XCOMfags?

>>379444916
Sorry, half the reason I like this series was ike's story. Conquest's story was shit, on fire shit, on fire shit that other shit finds shitty.

>>379451572
>>379452134
It was a common thing in a bunch of maps in the older games but in Conquest, it's just a one use gimmick for one map. Conquest is a poor man's Classic FE. It takes all these staples that were used together in older games and just sprinkles them separately across the game saying "look at me, I'm old FE!" when it's really not.

Also I like how none of you fags had an argument for my recruitment retort. And on top of that, I have even more against Conquest I forgot to mention.

>no side objectives to get to Gaiden chapters
Complex my ass.

>>379451306
>Playing on Normal
>Enemies don't have Infinite Staves and Inevitable End

K E K

Anything past Normal too hard for you, anon?

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>>379452480
>haha awakening/fates babies hate Echoes because NO WAIFUS
>actually we're discussing map design -
>STOP CRYING ABOUT WAIFUS JESUS CHRIST DONT BE MAD YOU CAN'T FUCK YOUR SISTER
>we're actually criticizing Echoes' difficulty and mechanics
>GOD EVERY SINGLE TIME AWAKENINGBABBIES JUST WON'T SHUT UP ABOUT WAIFUS

>>379446592
Adult tiki is best tiki.

>>379452576
>Also I like how none of you fags had an argument for my recruitment retort

Newfags literally killed Tharja and Gaius in Awakening, unfortunately newfags are retards and IS has to cater to them.

>>379452576
I've played every FE from FE6 onwards (except DS ones), and just a few days ago replayed FE7 HHM.

Conquest is better than classic FE.

>>379451861
>crying about wiafufaggotry
>posts the most iconic waifus in series

(lol

>>379450609
I want to cum down her throat and slap her if she coughs up any of it.

>>379452650
I....don't even understand what you are ranting about.

>>379452740
>game with Pair Up better than old FE
No. Even with Conquest's improvements, Pair Up is still a shitty mechanic that doesn't belong in the series. It turns the games into a statfest and reduces the amount of strategic placement you need to think about by half since you can just turn units into backpacks.

In older FEs, when you rescued a unit, you got NO bonuses. Just penalties. Because they knew shielding a unit from all harm was FUCKING OP. SOMETHING AWAKENING AND FATES CAN'T GET THROUGH ITS HEADS.

>>379452793
>>379452650
>>379451756
>being this much of an ass wipe

>>379452793
>iconic waifus
Waifu m8, and only because palla rips mystery a new asshole with her overwhelming strenght.

>(lol
back to lebbit champ

>>379452973
No Pair-up playthroughs are actually pretty fun. It makes Ryoma and Xander significantly less useful because when Ryoma actually gets hit, he almost dies and everything doubles Xander.

>>379452793
It's the waifu enabling that's the problem. Fates would have been GOAT if the game didn't feel the need to suck the player's dick.

>>379452973
pair-up is a great mechanic in Conquest though. Attack stance places heavy emphasis on unit positioning and planning. Defensive stance is kind of busted but balanced by the fact that you're halving your effective attack units by doing so. You can't just rely on defensive stance the entire game even on Hard mode, much less Lunatic.

>Why does /v/ hate Fire Emblem so much?
Because it's babby's first SRPG and doesn't even require strategy, no matter what difficulty you choose, albeit for different reasons. It's effectively a visual novel that never got the writing memo.

Just another shit ass Nintendo franchise that reuses plotlines, characters, and garbage gameplay. Nothing to see here, you tasteless faggot.

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Could someone actually explain how Fates is better than SoV? Because i played both Fates and its fucking garbage, BOTH Birthright and Conquest. This "Conquest is good" meme is probably the most obnoxious lie i've ever seen. Explain how Fates has good gameplay please?

>>379453223
>waifu enabling

that's just a meme, everyone always discussed waifus before Awakening. You're using the recent games as a scapegoat for /v/'s initial problem of discussion with their dicks.

> Fates would have been GOAT if the game didn't feel the need to suck the player's dick.

Should have played the localized version, they removed that feature

>>379453330
>You can't just rely on defensive stance the entire game even on Hard mode
autist
Playthroughs I've seen on Youtube heavily disagree with that

>>379453223
Corrin dicksucking isn't even the worst part of Fates when compared to shit like Garon and Xander.

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>>379453337
>implying other SRPGs require more strategy than Awakening
Go home Tactics baby

>>379453405
>Posting Awakening

You are Echoes target audience, congrats. Awakening is Gaiden 2.0.

>Great Wall
>Port of Defense
>Ice Village
These maps, according to /v/ and /feg/, are what makes Conquest the best game. What else is there when Fuga's Wild Ride, the Ninja Rape Cave, and anything from Ryoma's House of Fun and beyond exist?

>>379453405
dude arbitrary objectives and debris management lmao

dude fog of war rectangle except you have to slap ass with the fog lmao

all FEs have horrible gameplay, it's just now becoming noticeable because the aesthetic of the Tellius/3DS game is horrendous. Fates' writing and Nintendo's approach to DLC doesn't help. Fuckin' $5 E-shop games have more character and gameplay than this retarded franchise

>>379453640
>bottom is literally echoes

>>379453657
Never liked Awakening desu

>>379453640
XCOM is better compared to this kiddie-ass shit.

>>379453746
Exactly. Echoes is a good game, probably as good as FFT, just not the standard FE formula.

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>>379453640
kek, you've posted this before. Last time you completely ignored my work of art.

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>>379452446
>Never post Nagito again
?

>>379452576
>It was a common thing in a bunch of maps in the older games
It actually wasn't

>recruitment retort
Because it wasn't needed.

>no side objectives to get to Gaiden chapters
Expect those Gaiden requirements weren't complex but arcane. You would never figured some of them without a guide, like chapter 19xx.

>>379453525
so you've...never actually played it yourself?

>>379453746
Echoes was supposed to be the "JRPG spin-off" for Fire Emblem.

>>379441387

is there an actual reason why Faye was included? For a character that for all intents and purposes is a living retcon that only exists to make Alm look like more of an ass and to add an unrequited love trope into the plot I'm surprised she isn't hated.

>>379453952
>watching playthroughs after you've beaten a game is impossible

>>379453842
>average FE map
>theres literally only 1 map like this in all Fates

>>379453525
If you pair Charlotte to Xander, feed him stat boosters and tonics, he can solo maps that don't have too many mages or ninja.

It's basically like allowing Seth and Ike to solo their games.

>>379452973
>It turns the games into a statfest and reduces the amount of strategic placement you need to think about by half since you can just turn units into backpacks.
Expect attack stance is better than guard stance for the majority.

>>379454061
then you'll know that while Defensive stance is a bit OP and needs further tweaking, it's nowhere near the completely broken mechanic you make it out to be

>>379454125
lmao

but pretty every map has a shitloads of mages and ninjas

fuck, Ryoma's chapter and ninja rape cave are literally nothing BUT ninjas

not to mention Beastkiller units

Xander is good but he's not even the best unit in his own game

>>379443131

>easiest in the series

spotted the newfag

NA release of Path of Radiance was made easier to appeal to gaijins. Japan's Normal was our Hard and we didn't get Lunatic Mode until later installments. Steamrolling as Ike is literally a meme fueled by misinformation.

MUH WAIFUS

>>379454235
>>379454125
Not as broken as Awakening of course, but I've seen FE Youtubers like Mangs and Ghast use it constantly on every single map and get through just fine. Not even speedrunning or LTCing, just playing the game normally.

They also agree Pair Up changes the way you play FE too much and not in a good way.

>>379454235
Sending Kaze to deal with mages is so fucking satisfying

>Boss Sorcerer crits with Ragnarok
>5 damage

Too bad Kaze has no strength or defence.

>>379454364
link me the vid

>>379454364
>Ghast

You mean the guy who FOUND AWAKENING TOO HARD?

>>379454125
He would get two shotted by an Adventurer on his recuitment chapter on hard and lunatic.

>>379454279
Ike can still solo Manic mode. There's a english patch for it. Try it out yourself.

>>379454514
What mode was he playing on. If Lunatic, I could understand because of the bloated enemy stats

>>379454279
You act as if PoR is hard in the first place when it gives you so many good units.

RD is actually hard for a while because it gives you the Loser Brigade for the first while, and eventually BEXP destroys the game.

>>379454514
Awakening is hard if you try to play it like a Classic FE. Because it's not FE. It's a Disgaea game disguised as Fire Emblem. It wants you to GRIND GRIND GRIND and abuse Pair Up.

>>379454641
Nope, Hard. And his Robin is +LCK -HP and is slow as fuck.

I have never seen a Robin so bad before.

>>379454837
Yes, it is very similar to Gaiden.

>>379455004
You can beat Gaiden with 0% growths. You can't with Awakening.

I don't know where the Gaiden/Echoes requires grinding meme even came from.

>>379439380
Because muh maps.

They ignore all the quality of life and addition the game have because of muh maps

>>379442391
>The last Fire Emblem game with any dignity.

>Game literally have characters with anime tropes up the ass
>Main character is a supreme mary sue that is even more mary sue than the mary sue introduced in the sequel

>>379454920
>+LCK -HP robin

ahahaha

holy shit

and this guy played Conquest?

someone link me his Conquest playthrough

>>379455403
>someone link me his Conquest playthrough

He didn't stream that, he just complained about it. Later on he played a randomiser romhack of Conuest with OP units. Amusingly enough, he complained about Awakening for years without even playing it.

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What stats are you supposed to choose for Conquest?

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Daily reminder that:

Awakening was is a fantastic game.

Fates was a weak modern fire emblem yet still enjoyable.

Echoes is the best modern Fire Emblem so far in both presentation, new art style(something we needed bad)

Ignore old fags that think anything past Awakening is bad, they are the putrified cancer of the series.

>>379455403
>for my hoshido playthrough I did -Hp+str
>figured it'd make the game a bit harder
>turned corrin into paper
>everything rapes him even as a dragon
-hp objectively worst boon

>>379454513
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WtrDcuiI-A

Sometime after they actually get to the preparation screen for the map, so you can skip all the cutscene fluff in the first half.

>>379454364
>Ghast

Isn't he the guy that had videos about how bad Awakening was but never played it and spawned that "play Gaiden" meme?

>>379455663
>He didn't stream that, he just complained about it.
wait, someone said that he blew through conquest because pair-up was OP. Where's that playthrough?

>>379444253
>>379445053
>>379445247
>Not using the pitch fork to turn Mathilda into a villager then a pegasus knight
Gold Knight as shit.

>>379455892
>All those bonus weapons from the multiplayer

Jesus.

>>379455704
You can literally solo most maps with Xander and his STR backpack.

>>379455704
Always -Luck, Luck is a dump stat for the most part.

+Strength or speed is good. Makes MU hit like a truck. Magic if you plan on doing a magic character, although magic has been severely nerfed. Def or HP are OK for defensive builds.

>>379455704
+STR/ MAG or SPD, -LCK

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>>379455192
Map design is a part of gameplay. If the map design is bad, the mechanics, regardless if good or bad, in itself are not utilize probably and are also bad since they have no chance to shine. Having complex maps allows strategy to flourish.

>>379456506
>probably
properly

>>379456506
I disagree. Echoes and other SRPGs like Shining Force shine BECAUSE of their mechanics despite having weak maps. The mechanics make up the gap.

Awakening failed because not only did it have bad maps, but its mechanics were ass as well.

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>>379455892
>3 sets of pair-ups in his army
>using pair-up to bait enemies and block chokepoints
>still get fucking shrekt because Conquest enemies are really fucking strong
>non-paired up units contribute heavily on player phase

what the fuck? this is literally exactly how you're supposed to use defensive stance. How is it broken? 3 paired up units in your entire army isn't broken. And he's using pairup much more "fairly" than most people do, he actually uses BOTH units and switches them frequently instead of just having a backpack.

There is literally NOTHING wrong with defensive stance in this video

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STRUNGTH IS EVERYTHING

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>>379456820
>>379456671
>>379456450
SQUATS AND OATS!

>>379455892
>Units loaded up with all the MyCastle multiplayer reward weapons like the Pike-Ruin Club

So this is...... the power.... of veteran players......

>>379455916
Doesn't exist.

Conquest is such a well design gamed, you can't cheese it in anyway beyond normal.

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>>379456698
There is no strategy in a Echoes map. The AI have two modes, either stand there like a retard and wait till you aggro them or they just bumrush you which won't matter since their stats are very weak. Mechanics in Echoes can't make up for this gap, since they aren't require due to the game's low difficulty.

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Best Fire Emblem girl.

>>379457452
>you can't cheese it in anyway beyond normal
There are some ways you can make it easier but yeah, cheesing things on the harder modes is much more difficult, especially against INFINITE ENTRAP and INEVITABLE END.

>>379457610
It's a JRPG on a grid like FFT and Shining Force. Which is not bad, just different. Not what Fire Emblem should be I agree, but it's just one game that knows it's different.

>>379457623
>A fucking SUBHUMAN

If that handsome redhead was the hero in the Tellius games instead of the blue-haired beta beast apologist, things would have gone differently.

>>379449515
there are a decent number of enemy pairs scattered throughout maps, but it has nothing to do with "AI" since they're all paired-up before the map starts.

>>379458873
The AI in Fates actively use attack stance whenever they get the chance.

>>379459557
You mean put one unit next to another? Is that what passes as genius AI?

>>379457967
I found it a breath of fresh air desu. Fates had so much micromanagement that I got burnt out near the end.

>>379459754
>Micromanagement
>infinite weapons

(lol

>>379459632
For a FE game? Yes.

>>379459847
What food do I want to cook?
What tonics should I apply?
Do I want my units paired up or alone for Attack Stance?
If I pair these two units together, they can't both act, unless I grab the passive unit with someone else, but that means that unit may be out of position or my pairs will be messed up, I'm just short of killing this enemy should I weaken them or use Camilla as support, are Camilla and Elise in good positions to use their auras without being too exposed, what moves can the enemy make, how can they use Attack Stance, what order will they move in, how can I ensure Guard Stance will kick in at the right time, rinse and repeat.

A single turn could take me half an hour or more.

>>379459632
it's much better than that. AI specifically uses combinations that will deal the most damage, and plans to take advantage of it. EG if someone has an armorslayer, they'll try to make use of that armorslayer as much as possible.

AI also doesn't fall for bait tactics in several maps.

Conquest AI is the best in the series

I disabled the voice acting and its 100x better.
Not a fan of the Action-lite dungeons, but the rest is fun.

>>379461529
>food
>tonics
filthy casual
>A single turn could take me half an hour or more.
tortoise

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>Finally get to Act 4
>mfw swamps
What do I do for these? My pegasus knights aren't really good except for the green haired one

>>379461769
Oh wow, I never even realized all this. Conquest is actually the best in the series.

>>379462258
you can even see it in this map. Enemy AI tried to use the Bow unit as much as possible against Camilla. It was ordered in such a way that the bow user attacked twice, killing Camilla. >>379455892

>>379461529
>a strategy game requires me to strategize
That's a good thing.

>>379462556
It wasn't fun, though.

>>379462774
Casual

>>379447328
6/7/8 felt a lot more like a series of small skirmishes and never like you were actually facing a real army, except for maybe some of the Defend maps.

>>379463262
7 was a series of small skirmishes.

>>379463262
Play Radiant Dawn, Fates, or Genealogy and tell me you don't feel at war.

>>379463262
the echoes maps where you're facing maybe a dozen enemies sure as fuck don't feel like a war either

>>379463764
I wasn't denying that. I was saying that an FE game doesn't have to make you feel "at war" to have good map design. I mean, those stupid filler maps on alm's route where you have like 15 cavalry units in formation on a giant empty field aren't good maps just because its like fighting a real cavalry unit. Good map design just needs to be moderately challenging and force the player to think about a plan rather than just throwing units into a meatgrinder and hoping that stats and RNG are enough to keep them all alive.

>>379463764
I definitely felt at war during Genealogy, but those are some of the worst maps in the series.

>>379439380
I don't get this image, Celica is better unit than Faye.

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Remember, kids:
"If she's not a royal, then don't be loyal."
"If she's got no money, she ain't my honey."
"If she's not a noble, then leave her immobile."
"If she lacks the stacks, she's gonna get whacked."
"If she's a pauper, then just pop her."
"If she's no big spender, then don't defend her."
"If her wallet's in need, then leave her to bleed."
"If she's not first-class, then drop her ass."
"If she can't be buyin', just leave her cryin'."
"If she's a beggar, you can peg her."
"If she's on welfare, then bid her farewell."
"If she's a peasant, then don't get pleasant."
"If she's destitute, then give her the boot."
"If she ain't rich, then drop the bitch."
"If she's poor, show her the door."
"If she can't pay the check, then break her neck."
"If the cutey lacks cash, her booty is ash."
"If she's in poverty, then don't you bother me."
"No cash in the purse, then leave her cursed."

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>>379464430

>the whole cavalier class doesn't gain access to swords at all
kinda disappointing desu they should have at least got that since they're so mediocre this time around and dont get many skills

>>379463764
Genealogy felt too anime to be a war considering 1 or 2 units will destroy a kingdom's entire army.

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>>379464430
>"If she's on welfare, then bid her farewell."

>>379440776
>tfw I thought Awakening was shit because of the non-choice choices, story, most of the characters, and design of many units, but didn't mind the maps all that much
>tfw I like Echoes because of the story, unit design, and most of the characters and don't mind that much

Who /patrician/ here?

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>witch that summons more witches
>while also getting bumrushed from the other direction with paladins, knights, and snipers

>>379454049
To give us a female villager. That's it.

>>379443131
>Ike is a Mary Sue again
Don't you have to be in bed for school?

>>379464634
I feel the same. Mostly because Alm's side got like 8 fucking swords, and only Alm and Grey use them (at least on my team).

>>379463764
Fates isn't a war. It's a slaughter.

>>379439380
Is this one of those "OH WOE IS ME EVERYONE HATES THIS GAME I LIKE EVEN THOUGH MOST EVERYONE TALKS ABOUT HOW GOOD IT IS!" memes?

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Stop talking about Celica and post best girl

>>379466604
You mean Rinea?

>>379466903
Who?

>>379466604
Alm rejecting Faye for Celica was a fucking travesty

>>379467098
It was also the correct thing to do.
For both of them.

>>379466604
>I have two personalities
>nicest person you will ever meet
>and twisted fucking psychopath

>>379453657
You mean 3.0

>>379439380
I didn't play it because of no character creator and no support convos.

That's funny, I just realized yesterday that I don't like the game all that much.

The thing that bothers me the most aren't even the maps, they're hit or miss. The combat is just so unsatisfying. Everyone has garbage hit rates and no damage, not to mention the shit level ups and non-existant EXP gains.

Genealogy and Thracia remakes when?

>>379458453
Shinon go back to fapping to human x Laguz porn

>>379468448
why would anything good ever happen