What went wrong?

Writing in general.

Children pandering.

Localization was shit.

>>379437636
you

>>379437636
Series went to shit with 13 and has constantly tried to appeal to weeaboos since.

>>379437636

I just finished Awakening and had a pretty good time with it. Is this one worth buying?

The story, the constant stat changes, and the invincible weapons mainly. Oh yeah, and all the random dragon's vein shit.

Treehouse

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>>379437636
This got remade

horrible story, pay-per-route, and children were horribly implemented.

>splitting a game's routes into separate purchases to bleed people as much as possible
>treehouse

>>379437636
>that one map where the game stopped being fun

What's her name?

>>379437925
No. Play 6-8.

>>379438091
fe6 was shit

>>379438042
literally a funner experience than most of fates

Best in the series

ignore neo-/v/

>>379437636
tumblr tier writing

tumblr tier localization

>>379438071
The one with takumi

>>379438179
t. Hidari

>No Dual Audio
>Tons of cut content
>Bad english dub
>Shit story
>Game split into 3

Nothing important.
>>379437902
>has constantly tried to appeal to weeaboos since
You people are beyond delusional. The games since Awakening have appealed to a WIDER audience, not just otaku, weebs, or you autists.

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>>379437636
This game

>>379438042
>let's make 80% of the map forest
>and let's add randomly teleporting witches
>with super high res!
How do I git gud at luck?

Really horrible localization in general

Bad story, way too buff and debuff heavy, character feel like cookie cutter anime tropes, poison skills were annoying, seal skills were cancer, half the time personal skills were just shittier versions of already existing skills, game is only hard for being unfair, tedious weapon forging system, most of the special weapons you get from sparkly tiles are trash, weird rng when regarding hti percentage, camilla exists

Memehouse ruined the game

>>379437636
Hidari was chosen as the artist for the following game

>>379438415
Even with an excellent localization, the bad writing and world building is still there.

>>379438367
>not liking Echoes
you didn't even play it did you

>>379438750
i don't play shitty games for mediocre stories

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>/v/ shit on the treehouse for months and months straight over the localization
>/v/ still buys it and accept the english version overall

Make you really think, did you fags buy #FE too? I bet you prefer the less problematic wedding dress.

>>379437636
literally the best gameplay and level design in any japanese SRPG ever

Nothing went wrong. It's the only good game in this piece of shit series.

Literally a poor man's FFT

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>>379438948
maybe it is easier to accept when you realize fates itself is shit anyway and treehouse's localization is just a cherry on top.

>All those fucking retards who thought NoA would keep the otaku pandering in

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

not seeing enough comments bashing the RNG
I hope nu-/v/ doesn't think the RNG was excuseable, randomly TRIPLING the damage you give or take

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>>379437636
The plot. Besides that, It's the most fun I ever had in the series.

>>379438750
i played it and it was mediocre as fuck from start to finish

>>379439589
You mean critting?

>>379439589
Get good, though, there are hundreds of strategies to go around getting bad numbers. You should always have backup plans.

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The plot of Fates was shit and it was primarily Aqua's fault because of how the story revolved around her.

>>379437636
Why are the Nohr family so beautiful in comparison to Hoshido?

>>379439838
This

>>379440474
Also this. Valla was a mistake

>>379440987
Xander and Leo don't have retarded hair, Camilla looks more like a women than Hinoka and Elise isn't a massive moeblob

>blew out tellius cucks, JOPs/racist wapanese cucks, k. rool cucks, and ridleycucks

Not one thing went wrong

>>379437636
>>379437636
>>379437636
you only needed one. or the special edition cartridge which had all 3. shiet

>>379441278
>Elise
>not a moeblob

>>379437925
The maps are better than awakening but the story is shit

>>379437636
lack of head patting

>>379441283
>k. rool cucks, and ridleycucks
Because of Corrin in Smash?

>>379437636
A game that didn't need to be split got split and all of the good shit ended up in 1 game. I had a lot of fun with Birthright because I could play around with characters that I'd usually never use but in Conquest if you don't have the DLC you pretty much just plow through everything and I found that to be less fun.

>>379441654
Not nearly as much of a moeblob as Sakura is though

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>>379437636
Gameplay wise, nothing.
Map wise, some are slogs.
Plot wise, you are a Camus.

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How does /v/ feel about this image?

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>>379442549
Leo x Sakura
Camilla x Takumi
Ryoma x Elise
Xander x Charlotte
Hinoka x Me

>>379437636
The writing makes me want to kill myself
I liked the gameplay but I unironically have a slight feeling of disgust keeping me from picking the game up again

>>379442532
>Plot wise, you are a Camus.
Funny how Camus himself makes it out alive with two girls lusting for his dick while every other Camus-type dies an idiot.

>>379437636
Corrin

>>379437636
Treehouse.

>>379442532
>maps aren't gameplay
>fatesfags keep parroting maps are the only aspect of gameplay that matters

WHICH ONE IS IT. MAKE UP YOUR FUCKING MINDS ALREADY. AT LEAST STORYFAGS HAVE A GENERAL IDEA OF WHAT IT IS.

>plotwise you are a Camus

Kill yourself fatesfag. Niether Corrin nor Xander are even remotely wothy of being called a Camus. You want a Camus? Go play Awakening, chapter 10. Don't like Awakening despite being a filthy waifushitter? Go play Echoes and get it straight from the horse's mouth.

>>379443768
What happened at the treehouse that makes people keep mentioning it?

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>>379444260
They senselessly cut optional content, botched a few lines, and hired terrible voice actors.

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>>379444256

>>379442723
>Takumi deserving someone like Camilla
I think not

The story was just awful and none of the characters were likeable.

We finally got homo options and it sucked.

>>379444738
>muh autism

Nice fuckin rebuttel, fag

>>379445020
Wasn't the same guy. You just type like you have autism.

>>379445020
Look how seriously you take 4chan. Fucking pathetic.

>>379438091
>6
LOL

>>379444256
Maps are a component of the gameplay experience. In any case, both the gameplay mechanics and the level design in Conquest are the best in the genre.

>>379442229
Your post is proof that the game did need to be split

>>379442723
>Xander x Charlotte
Best taste

>>379445803
How so?

>>379437636
Literally every aspect that falls under the umbrella of "writing".
The maps, while challenging, were simply not fun.
Unit balance went out the window in favour of Royal dicksucking.
Dragon Veins were a novel concept, but ended up just being unintuitive arbitrary gimmicks. Learning the strategy of one Dragon Vein doesn't carry over to any other aspect of the gameplay on any other map.

Things that went right:
The mechanical changes, like the skills (mostly), and the weapon overhauls.
Nothing else, really.

>>379438091
You mean 4-5 and 7-10.

>>379446056
Birthright for casuals/newcomers and Conquest for everyone else.

>>379439589
You might as well also bash the grid-based strategy gameplay and the RNG-based stat increases.
The implication in OP's question is that this is in comparison to the rest of the series. Complaining about core staples of the entire series isn't going to go anywhere.

>>379441654
She's definitely a pure blob of sugar meant to be as cute as possible, but she's not moe. Aside from her innocent naivete, she's very capable. The core appeal of moe is basically clumsiness and endearing incompetence. Sakura is entirely moeblob.

>>379442229
>I had a lot of fun with Birthright because I could play around with characters that I'd usually never use
L O L Birthright was literally made for casuals like you. Even without grinding, every unit can be usable in Conquest and Birthright.

>>379437636
Am I the only one who really hates the box art for both of the Fates games? There's just something really bland and off putting about it. It's like they tried to make it interesting by not just having everybody facing forward with Corrin in the middle but it didn't work. Characters still just look like they were cut and pasted haphazardly and there's no composition or balance to it. It's just really bad.

>>379446056
Most people prefer Conquest, but you preferred Birthright. Thus, it was a good idea to split the routes because there are two very different kinds of players in the fanbase.
This is just my reading of your post, as someone who thinks splitting the routes was dumb.

>>379446268
>>379446545
>muh casuals
Guess I should've known better than to expect a real response.

>>379446787
Kill yourself. The games were spilt to separate the casuals from the hardcore.

>>379446787
How were those not real responses? There are casual and hardcore players in the consumerbase, and the route split allowed for each game to appeal to each group. You made it clear that you were a more casual player, who liked Birthright and disliked Conquest. That was exactly why they split the routes.

>>379437636
Elitists. Yeah the story is shit and the game isn't perfect but it isn't literally satan.

>Elitists constantly go on about how awful the characters are and that the females in-particular are pandering waifubait
>meanwhile they jerk off to the original waifu Lyn and characters like Mia who are as one-dimensional as anyone in Fates

>>379447223
You have to have played FE7 and FE9 to post in these threads, anon.

>>379447417
Lyn is babby's first waifu

>>379447417
>9

Found the tellius cuck

>>379447660
Being someone's waifu does not make a character waifu-bait.

>>379447417
Not that guy, but characters like Lyn and Mia are as one-dimensional as the ones in Fates. Because of the limited support system they don't express much personality beyond the anime trope they're assigned to.

>>379437636
good gameplay is shockingly not enough to carry a game like this

>>379437636
The full game costs like $80

>>379447814
Did you read the post he replied to?

>>379446123
are you talking about Revelations?

>>379448172
No but since Revelations is worse in every way than Conquest, you can apply everything I said to it as well. Except that Rev maps weren't challenging.

I bought into the Birthright meme and I hate the story and characters. Maps are fine, I'm easy to please when it comes to strategy.

Do I go into Revelations or Conquest? Keep in mind I found the story so shockingly boring in Birthright that I wanted to stop playing it. Conquest supposedly has 100 times worse story.

>>379438532
>game is bad because im bad at it

>>379447818
She was literally made to be waifubait, stop letting your nostalgia blind you

>>379448385
Unit balance in CQ is better than the majority of the series

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>>379446787
The mode you likely had enabled was called "Casual" for a reason, anon.

>>379438948
>did you fags buy #FE too
no, because no one bought that you moron.

>>379447417
I have though. It's that kind of thing that defines the elitist fans I refer to. Hana, for example, wouldn't be referred to as Mia 2.0 if she weren't similar to Mia.

The main difference with the newer characters is that you get more supports, but many of those supports do little or nothing to meaningfully expand on them. FE has always been a mixed bag so you get decent characters like Matthew, archetypes like Florina or just plain bland ones like Dorcas. It's just that now you have to look harder because there is more to dig through.

>>379443212
Reinhardt can survive but he still loses his dream waifu (but he never had a chance to begin with)

It is by far the worst written game I can recall playing

its like the room of games but at least with the Room I can find it entertaining

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Why did they not just make Corrin evil and just straight up make it about gook killing /v/?

>>379437636
Shit writing and gimmicks maps.

>>379449101
because most people arnt edgy cucks, unlike \V\

There's a fuck ton of writing. I'm using it to practice my moon runes and it's like 30 minutes of my retard level of reading and 10 minutes of fighting a the map.

>>379448790
>Nyx, Odin, Laslow
Compared to
>Camilla, Xander, Leo
The disparity is massive. You even get shit like Camilla and Beruka joining at the same time, even though Camilla is better than Beruka is pretty much every way, aside from a couple of defense points. Unit balance is a mess.

>>379448657
Just because a female is attractive does not mean she is waifubait.

>>379448790
We're talking about the game where people use the same six characters every playthrough because they're OP. It has really good gameplay, but you're only fucking yourself over if you use characters like Arthur, Beruka or Laslow.

>>379449098
This. Everyone agrees that Fates has bad writing but rarely do I ever see anyone actually draw attention to how incredibly bad ALL of it is.

>>379446997
The games were split to make extra money.

>>379447103
>How were those not real responses?
Because you and the jackass above you somehow construed me enjoying extra options to extend playtime as me needing to grind despite me describing my experience with Conquest as plowing through everything.

>disliked Conquest
No I didn't.

>>379448791
I'm sure it doesn't actually matter to you but I play in classic.

only a handful of characters got official art REEEEE

>>379449284
>Nyx, Odin, Laslow
Expect all these characters are good. Some units being better than your other units doesn't make the unit balance bad. That's like saying every unit but the pre-promotes in 6 is bad balance because they're better than them in everyway. You can complete the whole game without ever using the royals.

>>379448978
I kind of agree but I think the supports in conquest are a step down. In 7 and 8 even the most boring characters might reveal little tidbits about the world they live or different aspects of their personality. Conquest had some great ones like XanderXLeo but half of them are contrived "we got to get these two to fuck" supports and some like Arthur's just beat to death whatever his trope is. So yeah, both are a mixed bag but I still think the previous games had an overall better quality in supports. (Never played 9 or 10 though.)

>>379449608
>Because you and the jackass above you
You mean this guy? >>379446997
>somehow construed me enjoying extra options to extend playtime as me needing to grind despite me describing my experience with Conquest as plowing through everything.
Please don't make shit up. You asked why your post proved that the route split worked, and people pointed out that you enjoyed one route while disliking the other, more praised route. The route split worked exactly as intended. If the game was only Conquest, then all of the casual audience Awakening brought to the series wouldn't have picked up the new game.

>No I didn't.
Sorry I got confused when you described why you had fun with Birthright, then explained why you didn't have fun with Conquest. Clearly I misconstrued "having fun" with "disliking", what a darling mistake I made.

>>379449284
>You even get shit like Camilla and Beruka joining at the same time, even though Camilla is better than Beruka is pretty much every way, aside from a couple of defense points. Unit balance is a mess.
Yeah it's like Camilla comes as a promotes unit or something

>>379450195
9 has the best supports in the entire series.

>>379449472
>arthur

He's not that bad.

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>prefer Hoshido's superior 1000x folded characters
>prefer Conquest gameplay

>>379450298
Even if they both joined as level 1 dragon knights, Camilla would outclass the shit out of Beruka.

>>379450195
>half of them are contrived "we got to get these two to fuck"
I wish they were even that much. Every support I read involved the S-rank love confession and marriage proposal come out of absolutely fucking nowhere. Awakening had this problem as well, because you can't actually properly build up two character's relationships to get them really close in their A-supports, if they can A-support with every other character in the game as well. It makes their "love" seem cheap, so the apparent workaround is to have no romantic buildup, but any and all romantic attraction spelled out in the S-support out of nowhere.

>>379448397
>>379448397
>>379448397

The game's plot was absolute dogshit, Conquest could've been solved by Corrin being a man and just telling them, "Yeah, my dad is a fucking demon, let's kill him"

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>>379448397
If you enjoyed the gameplay of BR well enough, don't bother with the others. CQ has superior gameplay, but if you're a storyfag, it's certainly possible that the shitty story will drain your enjoyment of the game.

>>379450670
The story is worse in both games.
Conquest has tighter gameplay, pick that.
In Revelations you can just max out every character with endless grinding if that's your thing.

>>379448397
You'll probably like it. The maps are fine and probably an improvement over birthright. Just make sure to skip all the dialogue. I wouldn't bother with Revelations though. Never played it but I heard it's maps aren't very good and the balance is fucked.

>>379438367
Must suck being unable to enjoy new entires into the series, latched onto the old games so badly, Echoes is a darm fine JRPG, way above average.

anyone got a torrent/link? I've been searching everywhere for one and every link is long dead.

>>379450951
Echoes doesn't count, because it's a remake. The 'old' FE fans have latched on to it hard, to the extent that it's devoid of all flaws simply for not being Awakening/Fates.

>>379438071
Chapter 17, fuck all those ninja.

—What do you think the genre of Fire Emblem is?

Kaga: I call it “roleplaying simulation.” It’s a new genre. Basically, it’s a strategy game. But strategy games typically are kind of “hardcore” and dry. (laughs) You only care about winning or losing the battle, and there’s no space for the player to empathize with the characters or story.

I love strategy games like that too, but I also love RPGs. By adding RPG elements, I wanted to create a game where the player could get more emotionally invested in what’s happening. Conversely, one of the drawbacks of RPGs is that there’s always just a single protagonist. Thus, to a certain extent, you can only experience the linear story that the game creator has prepared for you.

I wanted to create a game where the story and game will develop differently for each player depending on the units they use. Thus I added the strategy elements and arrived at this hybrid system.

>>379451390
Dunno what I would've done without my Sniper Mozu.

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Is it really the best game in the series? Gameplay wise of course

>>379450951
>echoes is a new entry
>newfag doesn't know what he's talking about
Echoes is a near perfect remake of Gaiden from 1992. Gaiden was shit and so is Echoes

>>379451764
No.

What's the problem with Fates story anyway?

>>379451764
No. But it's up there if you put the FE games on a tier list.

>>379437636
>go and kill
>but father
>go and kill or else
>ok

They repeat this shit a lot, also no good waifus and Ryoma dies, inferior version is inferior.

>>379446056
You said that all the good stuff ended up in birthright and that you liked screwing around with characters and that you didn't like strategizing to make it through conquest's maps. That's the complete opposite opinion of various other people in this thread. After Awakening's success, the FE series had a large fanbase of people like you and also a large fanbase of people who like SRPGs. If they chose to make a game that satisfied one of these fanbases, the other one would not be satisfied. Thus, splitting the game to appease both parties was a good decision.

>>379451764
Thracia is more interesting conceptually, but it has a lot less polish.

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>>379452042
>Ryoma just kills himself as soon as he knows Corrin's intentions are actually good (even though the way he went on doing it was retarded)
>Doesn't just escape with Kagero and Saizo and to come help against the final fight against Garon
>Doesn't die against Garon and his last wish is for Corrin to finally end all this bullshit
Fuck Conquest

>>379450247
>you enjoyed one route while disliking the other
Again, no I didn't. I said that I had a lot of fun with Birthright and less fun with Conquest, that doesn't mean that I didn't like it. We can't have anything approaching a real conversation if you're starting from a faulty premise.

>>379452094
>you didn't like strategizing to make it through conquest's maps
Yet another thing that I never said.

>Awakening
Has nothing to do with this, I got into FE after Roy became my favorite character in Melee.

>>379438071
Conquest 23

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>>379438176
>>379445442
>>379446193
As someone who started with 7, can someone tell me why Binding Blade is so universally hated?

>>379451764
>Gameplay wise of course
Arguably, yes. Really unique and varied maps, lots of customization with classes and skills, new ranged weapon triangle, removal of weapon durability, etc.

The story shits all over itself but the gameplay itself is fun.

>>379451764
yes, don't listen to anyone that says thracia

>>379453012
sure
>roy's worthless for 90% of the game
>same-turn-moving-reinforcements
>every chapter
>no really, EVERY CHAPTER is a seize mission
>impossible to get the actual ending without unlocking every single gaiden chapter
>several maps are terribly designed
>recruitable units are either worthless or op, there's very VERY little middle ground
>undodgeable siege magic and ballistae hidden in fog of war HIDDEN AT YOUR DEPLOYMENT AREA

6 is shit.

>>379453012
>Fustrating maps
>Roy promoting very late
>Very anticlimatic last boss
>Game can be cheesed extremely easily with magic users
>Wonky NPC AI that will kill itself.

Personally I found 6 very enjoyable. The maps were fustrating, but the same could be said about Conquest as well. Roy promotes late, but just keep him behind the frontlines. He won't die easily unless you let him.

>>379453517
the worst maps are sacae, just skip em

>>379437636
>no recruitable units past Shura outside of 2
>that's like an entire 1/3rd of the game with no recruits outside of children
>messy due to being built with the other two routes in mind, resulting in weird shit like Kaze's paralogue being easy due to being on other paths too.
>map quality is a bit lower later on
>unit balance is bad and most units can't keep up later.

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>>379453836
>the worst maps are sacae
no.
>also fog of war desert map with hidden item that requires escorting your shitty level 1 shaman, enemy fliers, and enemy manaketes.
>ON A TIME LIMIT

>>379449284
Nyx isn't very good but Odin and Laslow are both solid units.

Odin has great defensive growths so give him a Nosferatu tome and a friend that boosts his MAG and he's a beast. I initially thought he was dead weight but I used him a bit and he shot up past every other magic user and he ended up with more hp and defense than my cavaliers and Leo and Xander, despite being a level below them.

>>379454014
>ON A TIME LIMIT
Unironically git gud, if there's one thing FE6 gives some slack on it's the turn limits for the gaidens.

>>379454490
I did it easily enough.

the limits on the desert stage were still bullshit.

Fire emblem GBA has the best maps and objectives.

The story went wrong. All was retarded. The children stuff should have been done better, but I liked some of them, like velouria. Everything else is good.
The designs were what made me choose noir version over the other ones. Nice looking knights and classes. Noir characters looked better than hoshido's.

The gameplay was good along with the level design. Creative levels with good use of strategy. Better than awakening for sure. The skills were a nice upgrade too, sadly you could break the game by getting skills online but I never used that, until postgame. >>379453269 what he said.

Nice ost like always.

I played the fan translated japanese version first, then with the patched-official text, so I don't care about the american version. The characters voices were nice. Too bad what happened to the cute knight girl though.

Mages were shit until postgame. Archers were op. I liked the awakening trio dlc, nice lore. The children dlc was not necessary but still entertaining.

It's one of the better Fire emblems. Just conquest is worth buying, pirate the rest.

>>379437636
It wasn't good

>>379446516
>The core appeal of moe is basically clumsiness and endearing incompetence.
Dojikko moe is just one type of moe.