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>>379436612
BotW ones were more fun.

holy shit is that the newest AC? if so it looks like a ps3 game

>>379436612
Get fucked.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2017-06-05-how-will-the-legend-of-zelda-breath-of-the-wild-change-the-open-world-paradigm

>>379436762
Please calm down

>>379436612
BotW towers just fill in your map topography and give you a convenient place to look around, they don't instantly pepper your map with the location of every secret in a 10 mile radius.

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>>379437489
>They're better because they're less useful

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>>379437616
>wanting the game to play itself
Half the fun of BotW is saying "I wonder what's over this hill" and finding out for yourself. Why the fuck would you want to remove that aspect in favor of what's essentially a glorified checklist of to-do items?

>>379437616
no, they're better because they actually have variation between towers, most towers require some minor puzzle to actually reach. They're also not required (apart from the first one tutorial purposes on the plateau)

>>379437837
>Half the fun of BotW is saying "I wonder what's over this hill" and finding out for yourself.

Protip: it's either a korok seed or a shrine.

>>379437943
nah - it could be a miniboss, lynel, village, wandering NPC, minigame, mythical being, great fairy fountain, ore, treasure, guardian, etc.

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>>379437616
If anything, BotW's towers are more useful than more generic open world towers. Alongside filling in your map and showing you whatever interesting geographical areas exist (and not flooding you with several dozen markers), they also act as an easily reachable high place for you to jump off and paraglide to any points of interest nearby.

If there's any real thing to take away from the most useful function of towers, it's that more games need paragliders. It fucking rocks.

>>379437943
>shrines don't count as content because I say so

The only shrines that don't give you something to do inside (IE blessing shrines) always involve a quest or puzzle to get inside in the first place, like Eventide Island or the Labyrinths. That's not to mention that you can also find minibosses, NPCs, the dragons, villages, and tons of other cool shit. Listing off the two most abundant pieces of content doesn't mean there's suddenly nothing else to do.

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>>379436612

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>>379438297
Or it could be another hill!

ITT Nintendotive dissonance

Remember, it's okay when Nintendo does it

>>379438527
Far Cry 3 had the wing suit

>>379437616
No, that's the problem. Your standard Ubisoft tower is TOO useful with all of the little "Important thing here" icons it adds. Breath of the Wild's just has the map layout and general location names and still leaves it up to you to explore, and I think other open-world games could follow suit at least on that end.

>>379439113
not likely, game's pretty dense. I think the only disappointingly-empty area was central hyrule field (although I guess that's a tradition by this point?)
>>379439064
game is out bro you ain't gunna fool anyone with these anymore

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>>379436612

>>379439113
Oh geez, it's almost like you're actually exploring, who would want to do that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFlGdI8TxsA

>>379439113
Yeah but what's behind THAT one?!

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>>379439363
there is nothing to discover in breath of the wild

you realize this, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFlGdI8TxsA

Botw is an example of a game with towers done right

They draw you to them because they revela the map, yet don't railroad you by puking out a load of map markers when you activate them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFlGdI8TxsA

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>>379438527
>more games need generic green planes open world and lazy ways to get around them
It's okay to have shit taste, but can I have well-crafted, complex levels back into vidya?

>>379439609
>>379439706
are you ok

>>379439237
Excuse me sir, but you're committing the common fallacy of assuming that open world games have existed before Breath of the Wild. Please consider reformulating your post to avoid this fallacy. If that proves to be impossible then please retract your post in its entirety.

>>379439761
I'm >>379439706
I'm fine, why?

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>>379439761
just a coincidence anon

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>>379436612
>open world meme
>main tunic isn't green
>no dungeons
>puzzles are at an all time low (as in difficulty)
>90% of the game is you doing nothing but walking and climbing
>clerks_lotr_ref.png
>bosses are even easier than previous games
>no memorable NPCs
>story is the most shallow yet
>"BEST ZELDA EVER"

I mean, I still liked it, but it ain't better than the previous games.

Never played either of those games, what purpose does those towers serve?

>>379439698
>filename
You clearly don't know.

>>379439783
Grow Home had the climb everything mechanic and gliding, and finding hidden seeds.

>>379439609
>>379439706
>that kneejerk damage control
Drones gonna drone

>>379436612
Why the fuck do people add periods to their blank threads? This isn't Reddit, you don't have to type anything at all to create a thread.

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>>379440295
no sweety, you picked those genes up from your mother, not me

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>>379439064
>>379439543
DELET THESE NOW

>>379440223
Now that you mention, Grow Home had some excellent climbing, really dug my inner acrophobia. If only Breath of the Cucks had anything of that scope

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>WOW WHY ISN'T THE DESERT IN A 10 YEAR OLD GAME ALL GREEN AND OVERSATURATED AND FULL OF BLOOM

>>379439543
You have to manage your stamina in BoTW. It's the only thing that restricts you from climbing anything. In AC, you follow pre-mapped windows and ledges, and the lack of windows or ledges is your restriction.

>>379440251
>Posts dumb shit
>Gets upset when people rebuke him
Do you have a problem with what's in the video? I think it does a good job explaining why the towers are good.

>>379440040
In both the Assassin's Creed series and Breath of the Wild, the player is encouraged to climb to the top of a large structure (tall buildings for AC, Sheikah Towers for BotW) so they can fill in their map with useful information of the surrounding area. Before that, their map will be blank, so the towers serve as a way for the players to get information one chunk at a time.

There are some differences in how the towers are handled, but they both share a very similar purpose.

>>379439543
who claimed BotW invented climbing?

huh

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>>379440223
Also, and I apologize in advance for committing the "open world existed" fallacy with this one, Daggerfall had the climb anything mechanic, gliding (slowfall), and even flying (levitation).

>>379440720
man, I really need to actually get around to playing this game. Is it hard to get working on modern systems?

>>379437616
The thing is. Towers in BotW are actually more useful, while simultaneously spoon feeding you less.

The main difference with BotW is that there's incentive to climb towers even if they didn't do anything at all. Simply for being tall vantage points to look around and glide from.
The glider alone makes them fun and worthwhile.

>>379440720
Shit looks more fun than Skyrim

>>379439237
And it was also awesome.
Best part of the game actually.

So yeah, more games beed paragliders and or wingsuits.

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>>379440720
As cool as daggerfall is. It's pretty damn awful outside of the dungeon crawling.
The dungeon crawling is legit though. But the rest really is terrible.

>>379439543
>stamina bar on the webm
Way to sink your own point lol

>>379437917

>hold jump
>fly straight to top

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>>379440720
Daggerfall's systems are all kinda half-baked jank though. If you climb in a doorway you'll clip into the fucking void.
The only part I liked was how harrowing it was to navigate the dungeons, since they're all massive computer generated messes.
Morrowind is a better game

>>379436757
its the first AC

>>379441346
>tower surrounded by ice requires you to melt your way in
>tower covered in thorns requires you to burn them off somehow
>tower covered in Ganon jizz requires you to knock over a pillar or climb to a vantage point to get past the goo layer
>tower surrounded by Guardians requires you to dispatch the threat or make a frantic rush one ledge at a time to avoid getting vaporized

That's a lot more involved than just "hold jump"

>>379441636
He's talking about using Revali's Gale because he's a baiting prick

>>379440867
There's an installer here that gets it going without any hassle.
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Files
The game is free, so go ahead and download it.

>>379439984
>Main tunic isn't green

fucking paint it green in hateno

>>379440720
>>379441289
Question, how hard is it to get in to Daggerfall and is it worth playing Arena?

I've been playing Morrowind lately and enjoying it but I'm pretty sure I have ADHD and struggle to focus a lot of the time and do stupid shit because I find the game to be slow. How punishing is Daggerfall for retards like me?

>>379440479

>manage stamina

I never found anything I couldn't get to the top of with just the basic unupgraded stamina. There's generally breaks in the terrain that you can use to make link stand up again because he'll stand on the smallest ledge.

Then eventually you can just use the Rito jump.

>>379441770
glad I got revali's gale halfway into the game (and forgot I had it as well until late-game) otherwise I would've just cheesed everything

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>>379440867
>Is it hard to get working on modern systems?
Not at all. DaggerfallSetup makes it very easy to install with all the latest patches. It also, optionally, includes some mods and hacks to add to the game.
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Files
I'd personally avoid DagSkills (uncapper incorrectly described as a fix) and the unofficial quest packs, but install everything else for the least buggy version of Daggerfall you can get, which is still extremely fucking buggy but that's Bethesda for you.

>>379441289
The dungeons are admittedly my favorite part of the game, but there's still some fun stuff to do outside of them. The faction reputation system is surprisingly complex but you wouldn't know it from casually playing the game, as there is no way whatsoever to gauge your reputation without third-party save editors/viewers. Once I started using DagRep to keep track of them my motivations changes a lot, allowing me to set long-term goals like getting the Orcs to like me enough to send me that Numidium letter, or making it easier and cheaper to summon Daedric Princes by getting in the good graces of the right factions. It also showed each faction's enemies and allies which are likewise not revealed in the game itself but can make a big difference as to who you want to do quests for and when.

>>379441495
>Morrowind is a better game
I don't completely disagree with you there, I go back and forth on which is my personal favorite. I love them both for very different reasons.

>>379439984

Don't forget

>DLC to make master sword stop breaking
>can't max both hearts and stamina with the shrines already in the game
>getting more than 20 hearts is pointless anyway because you can hit 30 by eating food that isn't even hard to come by

>>379442136
>Can't maximize your hearts
>but maximizing hearts is pointless

what a fucking stupid complaint holy fuck

>>379441636

>take out flame or ice weapon
>remove barrier

Also the guardian tower was easy. You can just use the jump button to get to each ledge and they'll never get a shot off. You don't even have to have upgraded stamina to make it.

But yes I was talking about Tsundere's Gale and how you can bypass everything with it.

>>379442136
the second DLC is probably gonna add in a new area with more shrines so we can finally have max hearts and stamina

>>379437616
Give me a two-paragraph-minimum essay on why Ubisoft towers are more useful than BOTW towers, then I'll offer my counter arguement

>>379441813
You can't

>>379442368

I'd like to be able to max both hearts and stamina, and I would also like that to matter. Why am I searching for shrines to begin with now? I got my 13 hearts for the master sword and after that I just cooked all my apples and mushrooms.

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>Hurr this game has no content and things to unlock

fuck y'all

>>379442596

It's okay just by an Amiibo to unlock a traditional looking Tunic for Link that's better than most of the in-game gear and equivalent to the gear you get for clearing all 120 shrines.

>>379442597
>Why am I searching for shrines to begin with now?
Then don't?

>I cooked all my apples and mushrooms
You didn't learn any better recipes?

>>379442859
Haha, that's a funny joke. Good thing that's not the reality. Based Nintendo can do no wrong.

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>>379442596
What the fuck are you talking about

>>379439543
Wow, procedural animation using inverse kinetics, such a novel concept.
The controls for both sides are identical.

Mirror's Edge is the only game I've played where climbing mechanics required more input than hold stick + button to leap.

>>379437616
AC towers are needed to access new parts of the map. Only one tower in BotW is needed to progress the story, while the rest are there just to fill up your map automatically. Pretty big difference.

>>379442859
what the shit are you talking about all the amiibo gear has 3 defense points

>>379443023
That's not the champion's tunic. Aka link's main tunic, the one in all the marketing, the one we were talking about.

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>>379442061
I find that in Morrowind, even though it doesn't have that god-tier character creation screen, there's a fuller use of the mechanics in the game, better world design, and all that delicious Kirkbride madness. Daggerfall has sheer volume though, it's probably going to remain the biggest open world game in existence until the day I die.
It's Morrowind's modability that pushes me over though.

>>379443270
You can upgrade it you silly man

>>379436612
Yeah I noticed this too. Pretty much exactly the same concept from every Ubisoft game.

>>379443291
>biggest open world game in existence

Space engine? Millions of galaxies?

>>379443289
You can get the Wild tunic for completing all the shrines anyways

>>379442883

I don't need better recipes when I have 50 apples or hylian mushrooms I can just throw them all in a pot. The game hands you food left and right and then I ended up with a food item that full heals you and gives 10 fucking bonus hearts.

>>379436612

were the cities in Assassin's Creed 1:1?

>>379443632

120 shrines to get it and by then you have no use for it. Let alone any reason to bother upgrading it.

>>379443632
Wow you can get an actual tunic once you've finished the whole game and there's nothing left to do

Based Nintendo

>>379443289
Who gives a fuck you autistic faggot. It's a piece of cloth, made of pixels. Eat a penile gland

>>379441846
Neither Arena nor Daggerfall are especially accessible, but I wouldn't call them too hard to get into either. But if you have trouble maintaining focus in Morrowind then you'll probably have the same problem in Daggerfall, they both are pretty aimless with an emphasis on doing what YOU want rather than following a story. When it comes to Daggerfall's main quest it's not impossible to refuse it entirely, break it, or completely forget about it halfway through because of how long it takes to follow up: you usually get a letter telling you where to go next some weeks or months after completing a prerequisite quest, and sometimes only if your level or reputation with a main character is over some threshold. And that's not even getting into the bugs and save corruption that could break the main quest, although most (not all) of those are patched.

Surprisingly, you might actually find Arena easier to get into as it is more focused on its main quest than any other TES game. There's not a whole lot of side content to explore in Arena and the main quest is the most linear in the series, so you'll never not know what to do next. The only problem is that Arena's... well, I don't want to say it's a bad game because I enjoyed it but there's really not much to it. It's basically just a dungeon crawler in a really big world with an archaic control scheme. Think of it like Ultima Underworld but with towns and much simpler mechanics, but a pretty cool spell-making system if you decide to play a mage.

I'm not making them sound very appealing but that's because I'm not sure if you specifically would enjoy them. They're both free and not too involved to set up, so you could start playing and give them a shot in the next five minutes if you want to. That's the best and only way to know for sure.

>>379443490
I remember it earning the Guinness World Record for biggest land-based world in a game, but it doesn't compare even to 1984's "Elite" if we count space games.

>>379443790
Then paint your hylian tunic green.

Never played fashion souls?

>>379437616
Yes actually. There's such thing as giving away too much at once.

>>379443805
You're the one who said you can dye the main tunic, not me. You're really taking this sourly

>>379437616
>sonybros suddenly like ubisoft towers to shield themselves from the truth that zelda did it better
LIKE
FUCKING
CLOCKWORK

>>379443490
Huh, you're right
Although, measuring volume in a space games is tricky, and I'm sure a lot of those game use proc gen to cheat.
99.9% of Daggerfall's content was generated by a computer, but you can always return a dungeon at the same place on the map, over different playthroughs, and it'll be the same place.

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>>379438527

Play Grow Home

>>379443857
No cap and looks too bulky and stuffy to be running and climbing around in. Trust me, I've thought of the fashion.

It's why I just hacked the game after the second dungeon or something and gave myself the wild set

I liked it a lot better that way

>>379443942
Space engine generates the same every time too

Players frequently share co-ordinates for cool things they found so other people can look

>>379439543
>if BotW had climbing like asscreed
>LMAO it's just like assassins creed! Is Nintendo even trying?
>if BotW had climbing that wasn't like asscreed
>LMAO it's not like assassins creed! is Nintendo even trying?

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>>379443048
dying light has the best parkour system so far.
Ass creed unity and syndicate best animations so far

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>>379436612
Does AC make you have to discover things on your own or does it just vomit icons all over your map when you climb a tower?

>>379443942
For what it's worth that's true of Space Engine as well because it uses a fixed seed.

What's interesting about Daggerfall is that it does NOT use a fixed seed or any seed at all to generate its towns and dungeons: they are fully and explicitly defined in the game files. The game literally does not even have the functionality to generate them if it wanted to.

Still, when it comes to actually playing the game, one which was generated by a computer and then stuffed into a disc like Daggerfall vs. one that is generated in real-time but always generates the same... those two things are indistinguishable. It's a difference in technique, but not in result, so counting one as "cheating" but not the other feels like an arbitrary distinction.

>>379444134
That could be the result of good determinism in the procedural generation algorithm, but that doesn't really matter when you play the game I guess.
Regardless, there's a boatload of shit in Daggerfall.

>>379443838
Thanks anon, I'll give them a go then, I'll probably start with Arena from what you said and take it from there.

>>379436612
You posted this thread 15 hours ago you autistic fuck.

STOP RESETTING THE COUNTER YOU FUCKS

WE NEED TO GET OVER THIS GAME

RIGHT
NOOOOOOOOOOOW

>>379444530
>there's a boatload of shit in Daggerfall.
Good thing you can buy a boat to load all that shit onto.

>>379444948
lel
I could never afford the boats
I knew I can cheese it by borrowing excessively from the banks in obscure regions, but I didn't do that.

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>>379436612
Hey fuck you OP, it's ok when Nintendo does it

>>379439543
>there are people on this board who actually prefer scripted magnet hand climbing to anything

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>>379436612
.

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>>379445310
Once you reach level 20 or so you'll start finding a ton of daedric weapons and armor on human and orcish enemies which you can sell for tens of thousands of gold a piece. I think the cuirasses could even sell for 100k+. Pretty much the only way to save up enough for daedra summonings, houses, and boats.

No need to worry about weight either since if it's too heavy a sum the merchants are nice enough to pay in bank notes instead of gold.

>>379439543
BotW isn't a climbing simulator. You are not even really climbing anymore once you unlocked Ravioli.

>>379445568
It is because sheika towers don't pin shit on your map like ubisoft games do.

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>>379444265
I fucking hate this game.

Buy dying light (they said), it's a great game (they said)

>>379436757
That's because it is a ps3 game.

>>379446135
I really love the gold weight mechanic, if only for the usefulness of bank notes. It's kinda weird, using the game to vicariously manage personal finances.
I know almost everyone would find it extremely tedious and unnecessary if it was brought back though.

>>379439984
Bullshit. BOTW puzzle design is so much better than 90% of 3D Zelda

>>379437616
Please stop. You're upsetting the Nintendies.

>>379450210
>I know almost everyone would find it extremely tedious and unnecessary if it was brought back though.
I used a mod to add it to Morrowind. There are probably ones for Oblivion and Skyrim too.

>>379450419
implying they'll even be phased by all this, it's literally ok when nintendo does it, it's the singular belief that holds their world together