"More MMOs need to let you be an average joe"

>woman
>fauxhawk
Gross, dude

Pretty ok article but that character you posted is garbage

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>>379407338
Rate my "average joe"

>Fantasy universe where you can basically do and be anything
>Choose to be a normal human

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>>379407338
still level 1, created it some weeks ago and now I'm waiting for a friend to start because he is getting back to the game when the expansion is out

>>379407831
Go away johnny

>>379407852
does ff14 actually let you just be a person? I've been looking for an MMO that just lets me be a humble person doing dumb tasks. WoW tries so hard to be epic and make you le commander that changes the tides, it's boring.

>>379409525
Outside of the main story quest, yes.

The main story quest itself is gay and you can skip every cutscene. If you skip the entire main story you will basically feel like you're just an average joe.

Also, the crafting system is top notch and highly addictive.

>>379407338
game? BDO?

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>>379407338
They're right
That's what was nice about old WoW, you were just some random dude

Nowadays whenever you start an mmo it's filled with
>ITS.. YOU?
>I'VE READ IT IN THE STARS
>YOU'RE THE CHOSEN ONE
I fucking hate that shit

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>>379407831
>johnny bravo/10

rate mine

I don't want to be an average joe

by all means have the option

But I don't play games to re-live real life. I play them to experience fantasy situations I'd never actually experience otherwise.

I want my characters to be beautiful, charismatic, brave, competent. I want examples I can strive for, not mediocrity that only exists to tell me I'm "just fine how I am"

I don't want to be mediocre. I want to be the best. I want to see what the best are like. I want to emulate that. I want to experience it first-hand in my fantasies so I can know what I'm missing out on.

That's the whole point of a fantasy.
Not to tell me I'm good enough already. I don't want my ego massaged, I want to be challenged.

>>379409525
I play XIV and will tell you that the entire game is about you being the legendary chosen hero. You'll need to slog through the entire set of 300 something story quests before you can start up crafting or gathering. The story is generic chosen hero safes world. They are selling a $25 item to skip the story up to the start of the new expansion.

Crafting is fun but can get a bit tedious as you'll need to level every crafting job to the ARR level cap of 50 to get all the crafting skills. They all share gear so it isn't too terrible. You'll need to fully finish the storyline as certain areas of stormblood are unlocked from quests if you want to do gathering.

Want the perfect MMO for a true roleplayer?

Pretty much just take Grimgar of Fantasy and Ash and put it in vidya form.

>>379410152
>Not to tell me I'm good enough already. I don't want my ego massaged, I want to be challenged.
Isn't that the whole point, to be an average joe being challenged, instead of the chosen one having your ego massaged

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Are we posting characters?

>>379410152
You can't expect those retards to understand the purpose of video games. I mean you don't even have to play the game you're reviewing.

>>379407338
why? I'm already average, no matter how average you make someone what they'll be doing in the game will never be average

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>>379410010
Accountant/10

This is now a Saints character thread. R8 mine

>>379407338
>>379407831
>>379407852
>>379410010
>>379410904

cuckolds, post the game your character is from.

>>379407338
MMOs need to develop fun gameplay before they worry about anything else.

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these are your average cats

>>379407831
WhoaMama/10

>>379411051
You must be 18 to post here.

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>>379407338

>>379411161
Does any of them have a dick?

>>379407338
I always go giantess or lizardman if given the option. If I can cake on make-up it's gyaru time.

We just need more contemporary MMOs when you can be something you aren't in familiar surroundings, which makes you more engaged. The fantasy/sci-fi shit is SO overplayed, it just doesn't stick anymore, why would i fucking play your shit, for the dank grind and dungeon raids?

And we have only what, Secret World and GTA Online (lel).

I don't need to be average joe, i need something that hasn't been done to death in terms of the game universe and what i am in it.

>>379410904
I see Tera and DD. What are the other two?

>>379411161
pretty spot on

people who exclusively make waifu bait characters are the worst kind of people

>>379411507

>Secret World

RIP

>>379410828
it entirely depends on the game, which is why I'm all for any of it and all of it, let people be and do what they want; that's what fantasy is all bout

but these journalists just don't seem to see things in quite the same way, they're more the type of want to force viewpoints on you

>>379411051
>cant even identify these common games

fucking casuals.

>>379407338
P-please, what game is this?

>>379411372
I think they all do

>>379410904
Got more of your tera character? She's a cutie.

>>379412136
dont quote me on it but it might be eve online or elite dangerous

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>>379407405
what kind of homofag doesn't like short-haired women?

go back to your long-haired /b/ traps anon

>>379412274
>>379412136
Eve Online. Not sure if they ever added more than one room to walk around in though.

so whats the go to mmo right now?

>>379412091
>let people be and do what they want;
That's not really how it is in most mmos though, you're forced into a role of "the chosen hero"

If the story is going to call me 'the chosen one' or some special snowflake bullshit, at least have the decency to explain why there are thousands of other chosen ones running around the same world as me.

>>379411036
I'm all about my QT Russian titcow in SR desu

>>379412390
mnfclub

>>379412390
Probably Final Fantasy, it's okay
WoW is still okay, but not very interesting
BDO is mediocre

I wouldn't say there are any "good" mmos right now

>>379410228
>You are the chosen hero
>theres canon tons of warriors of light in this very game
This is what you get for skipping every cutscene. Maybe read/listen next time and you will find out your fedora wearing ass isnt as unique as you believe

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>>379407831
>Johnny "Fulton these Blackies back to niggeria so they stop taking all our women" Bravo

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>>379410010
Fuckin' excellent, mate
I literally laughed out loud; love it.

>>379412375
I thought EVE Online is just spreadsheet simulator?

>>379407338
Holy fuck, an article I agree with!

>>379407831
30% Trump+ 70% Johnny Bravo.
>Reading upside down
Make it 50-50

See, that's why I like playing Runescape so much. Most of the questlines you're either just helping someone, fixing your own fuck up, or some other ridiculous shit. At no point does it ever feel like your the "chosen one". Most of the time it just feels like you stumble into the shit that quests have you do.

>>379412967
it is but years ago they added a tiny section where you can walk around as your avatar.
in otherwords, its fucking pointless.

>>379412324
he probably hates it because sjws like using these types of hairstyles, same with uncommon hair colors, thanks to them people tend to dislike them or disregard because of how popular they are with sjws.
also not everyone can pull it off, no matter how attractive.

>>379412967

sucks for you then, eve is lit af

>>379412091
>Sure, EVE Online has its Luke Skywalkers—the hot shots leading vast armadas and flying death-defying missions to turn the tide of PvP wars—but they got there by fighting, lying, stealing, befriending, or buying their way through a simulated society. Becoming a hero is meaningful in EVE because the community itself decides what's heroic.
And he's right. You want to be a hero? Earn it.

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>>379413110
>See, that's why I like playing Runescape so much

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Ah, Vindictus.
The only game to get blatant, unwarranted fanservice for everyone right. To then quickly burn and disappear from the face of the world.

>>379412840
>Karlstein

Literally no fashion sense.

>>379411036
>you should be ashamed of yourself
wait did you put that or is that in the game? how do you trigger it?

>>379412759
I don't see the point here. You're still chosen hero even if they made a bad writing reason to explain why you make 23 chosen hero copies of yourself.

>>379413169

because of the riots following a leaked internal memo talking about their plans to sell designer jeans for avatars and other 2nd life tier bullshit

>>379413346
i dont actually have the outfit u meme

>More MMOs need to have an average joe
Because Runescape and EVE are doing so amazing well, right? SWG wasn't losing subs at all, nor had the remainders all try to be Jedi once that became a thing. Lets talk about how HYPE everyone is for Albion online!

>>379413361
You arnt the chosen hero. You are just one of many warriors of light. Its not clones of yourself, its other characters in the game as well as all the other players.

>>379412967
Pretty much. At some point they decided to make a character creation system, and intended to give you the option to walk around on stations and everything.
The problem is just that the players don't give a shit about that. They just want more numbers to crunch, so the devs abandoned that part and just left the character creation system in.

Hell, they even removed the jukebox (in-game music player, included a lot of really nice ambient music tracks as well).

So don't even bother downloading the game to make your waifu, because you won't ever see her.

Same actually goes for Elite Dangerous.

>>379410010
tom cruise's character from tropic thunder?

>>379413451
And yet you took a screenshot with that on to put in public display despite the objectively better options.

Shameful.

>>379413530
Runescape was doing amazingly well before they sold it to Chinese chicken farmers.

>>379413295
oldschool, not that shit rs3

>>379413347
Been a few years since I played it, but I think I got that message from failing some sort of side-mission or minigame kind of thing. I did it a second time and failed on purpose just to get the screenshot, had it since then.

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>>379409982
This. I hate being the chosen one. Being a normal dude with allies you can count on in an army of 100,000 is way more exciting.

>>379413336
Thing is, the vast majority of girls and gays are perfectly fine with dolling up their female characters as well.
Games don't need extensive male features, they just need a good selection of fashionable outfits/styles for the girls, not just plate bikinis.

That said, the Vindictus guys do look pretty nice when customized.

>>379407852
Ok, what server? I'm thinking of making a new character so I'm off of coeurl but if you're on Coeurl a lvl 54 could party up with you. Garrison Gerraldieux. Look me up on Loadstone.

>>379413571

You understand "slightly less chosen one" is still pretty much the same as being "the chosen one", it's just sucking your dick slightly less to make sense of the other players, and even then the storyline CAN'T be played with other players. So they are hardly ever even recognized as something that exists, except by the mother crystal. And that happens once. In the entire game.

>>379413347
>>379413716
Found it, look up Saints Row 2 Ho-ing. That's what it was.

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>No good MMO's
>Only [queue to have a good time with random people] themeparks being released
>Crowfall had promise but the combat and graphics feels like a shitty LOTRO clone
>Every
>Single
>MMO
>Since
>2005
>Has
>been
>utter
>fucking
>shit
I JUST WANT A WORLD TO EXPLORE, TO ADVENTURE IN
JUST END IT
STOP MAKING MMOS
LET IT DIE AND BE DEAD FOR AT LEAST 5 YEARS
STOP
MAKING
MMOS
PLEASE
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>379408913

Funny, this is part of why Runescape was actually so damn good.

>I fish and I cook
>that's what I do
>buy my lobster faggot

>>379413970

>Stop making Fantasy/Sci-Fi themepark MMOs.

fixed that for you

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>>379413782
Exactly. Making all female outfits conservative is exactly the opposite problem of having women run around in only skimpy outfits. Everyone should have the opportunity to run around in full armor or dressed as sluts as they like. Even WoW had one or two good armor sets down at level 20-30 and then you had to spend 40 more levels dressed as some kinda clown with mismatched everything

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>>379411596
FFXIV and BnS.

>>379412232

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sup

>>379407338
marxists are mentally ill with an inferiority complex

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>>379407338

>>379408913
>See that City of Heroes image

The memories.

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>>379413782

They might not need them, but they are certainly appreciated. I played Vindictus extensively purely because I used it as a husbando generator, and put up with the pay 2 win garbage for it, aside from the good action gameplay.

I will definately not touch a game without a good male character generation tool. I need a fine dress-up tool for both genders; and it's ultimately what drove me away from BDO.
Could have gone through all the shit and grind for multiple characters had they simply bothered to not make the character creation just a very limited version of Vindictus', which is honestly sinful giving how dated Vindictus is to begin with and how much they ripped off from it.
They could have tried a bit more knowing there was little else to go on with the game on the long run.

>>379407338
>Role-Playing Game
>Role-Playing
I swear to God these people haven't even heard of pnp's

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rate my eve online character guys

>no high life mmo
>can play the stock market
>go straight or engage in white collar crime
>join the police force
>go straight or be crooked
>black market and criminal organizations
>pay off cops, shoot cops, or be imprisoned
>permadeath means quick lived characters are the norm
>no themepark mount riding magic light fuzzball floating bullshit

Where is it?

>>379413687
They never reached higher than 120k active players per month avg. FFXIV is 430k active monthly. The 'dying' WoW Legion is 1.9 million US/EU alone.

>>379407338
I miss that in WoW. Until Cata you were some band of heroes. Now you are the saviour of the fucking universe.

>>379407338
is that victoria tiffani

>>379414591

GTAO?

>>379414603
You're saying that like it's not still in the top 5 of all time.

>>379410010
michael vsauce here

>>379413867
The WOL is about as special in ffxiv as being a jew is irl.

>>379414757

Kind of, but really, the permadeath and REAL organizations ( not slapdash red team with quirky name ) would make this quite a bit different. GTA:O is ultimately about shooting each other in the face while driving cars around. It's fun, but it's not a persisent MMO world like EVE.

>>379414440
I tried BDO as well but it felt clunkier than Vindictus and I didn't really like the style much.
Vindictus may be old, but the gameplay is solid and the outfits (for males and females) is impressive.
Sadly, everything else about the game is pretty bad, and BDO just felt like it was only the bad parts of Vindictus, with some more bad parts thrown in.

Anyway, what other husbando games are there? I've always been about waifu generators myself but I want to try my hand at making husbandos as well.

>>379414809

Buuuut it isn't.

>>379414603
The concept of mass appeal means that nothing that has specified and become niche and very refined can be popular.
Popularity and money produced are typically, but not always, inversely proportional to quality.

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Chisa Mae waifu forever

pupper sends its regards

>>379415069
Nah, pretty much as common, both jews and WOLs get rich as Fuck for shit reasons, both have a tendency to look dumb.
WOLs=jews

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No Homo

>>379411036
>Jim Sterling plays SR

>>379415339
>Elitist Ops
Full homo

>>379408913
Weirdly decent article.
But yea, too many of these MMOs are too focused on some stupid story that you're meant to experience, so EVERY player ends up being the superhuman badass world saver, and at that point it just becomes idiotic when EVERY player is meant to be "humanity's last hope" or whatever.
Which is hilarious considering MUDs and older MMOs had already addressed this problem, then Everquest (and eventually WoW) had to make it all about this saving the world shit.

>>379415224
Join All-Out

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>>379415031
>Sadly, everything else about the game is pretty bad, and BDO just felt like it was only the bad parts of Vindictus, with some more bad parts thrown in.

That about covers it up.
Vindictus without any storyline to hold it together, worse gameplay, and an open world full of enemies that provide absolutely no challenge but are simply raw walking level walls.
>but muh pvp
I sure do love me being one-shotted at random by invisible people with p2w camouflage in a perma-pvp stats that I can do nothing in any way whatsoever because they have better gear earned purely through RNG.
No redeeming qualities.

>Anyway, what other husbando games are there?
Not many, really. Someone might say FFXIV, but there is no real MAKING of a design there so much as hoping one of the mostly premade things clicks your fancy.
GW2 has a very decent character creation tool, assuming the kind of graphics are your thing, I guess. Tera sort of work, but. Ehh.

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>>379414591
honestly eve has what you're looking for, it's a fucking great game if you're looking for the financial/manufacturing/economics side of things. i played it during my business undergrad and i came to the conclusion that ALL business undergrads should be forced to play that fucking game.. i learned more in it than i did in 4 years of undergrad, at least with regard to "general concepts." obviously eve lacks a lot of the complex financial transactions that the real world integrally builds on top of, but for the manufacturing optimization and shipping simulation you can't go wrong

>>379414591
What do you even mean? A Wall Street mmo? That would fucking suck and you know it

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>>379407338
That title of the article is dogshit, but the article is pretty god

>TL;DR:
>Dude played EVE and had a blast being a broke-ass space pirate.
>The majority of MMO's disallow this approach. Instead you must follow a specific heroic path because you're "THE GUY"
>Likes the idea of an MMO with a dynamic social ecosystem where you carve out your own niche instead of being forced to save the world.

>>379407338
>More RPGs need to let you be an average joe
FTFY

The last RPG that let you be an average joe, that I can remember at least, was FNV.

>>379415650
>Everquest
I didn't know grinding mobs meant you were the savior of the world.

>>379410904
foreveralone/10

Are there any standalone character designers that I don't have to buy anything for? I just want to create cute girls. Honey Select is shit

>>379414758
In terms of overall registered users, yeah sure. But I think active players or subs is a better way of doing it. RS never went past 120k. Since my initial point is about today's MMO market, it's not even close to top 5 (WoW, FFXIV, ESO, GW2, B&S, BDO) does better than EVE and TORtanic atm though.
>>379415103
>The concept of mass appeal means that nothing that has specified and become niche and very refined can be popular.
WoW got popular from refining things, Beatles got popular from refining various musical ideas of their time, Avatar became best selling movie by refining tech new at the time, etc. Usually the innovator is never as popular as the refiner.
>Popularity and money produced are typically, but not always, inversely proportional to quality.
Reeks of bitterness and childishness. There must be SOME reason why nobody wants to play that one thing you think is good when the difference is that large.

>>379416026
Everyone and their mother knows that Everquest had a huge impact on the MMO genre as a whole, it wasn't a total themepark MMO, but it laid the foundation.

>>379415903
It's strange that other players are the least interesting thing in most MMO games.

>>379415789

Yeah, I might just suck it up and give it a go. It just seems so daunting. Is it worth it to try the F2P option?

>>379415690
Yeah I gave GW2 a shot (the husbando part at least) and I appreciate the style of it. Didn't really come up with anything good looking in FFXIV, but everything about that game makes me wonder if I somehow got a totally different version from the rest of the world because it's one big disappointment all around.

TERA does go with the shirtless/exposed abs style pretty well but it's hard to make really nice characters, both males and females.

More games need Saints Row level of customization, really.

>>379415224
What's wrong with her face?

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>>379408913
>>379415650
This, tired of everybody having their own little story about how they're 'the chosen one'. One thing I've seen a lot of is on survival game servers like rust, reign of kings, and player driven things like Mount and Blade's persistant world mod, a lot of players mainly kids, choose to be serfs/slaves that you give orders to do. Since I'd play in a group, these people would come up asking if we'd take him in, then they become our servant and go farm shit and RP their role.

Not everyone wants to be the hero. The world needs ditch diggers too. (it also helps the ones who do play the hero to stand out in comparison.)

>>379414908
Hey, guess what, you're living it! and if it feels like your losing, guess why?!?! ;)

>>379416196
Do you not understand how mass appeal works?
Let me put it simply.
In order to make the most money, you have to appeal to the average person.
In order to appeal to the average person you have to BE average.
Not good, not great, just average.
Because good is subjective, and what some people find amazing others are going to hate.
Dragon's dogma is a good example.

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>>379416260
honestly man, you can try out all of the core systems with a F2P sub (the trial??? i haven't tried F2p personally). it locks you out of high level ships and skills, but you won't get there anyways if you're just starting. it really gives you a feel for the game imo.

obviously as you play more you have more opportunities to expand your operations and get into crazier stuff, but you can do some really fun stuff on the trial. i recommend "exploring" in nullsec, which is like flying around looking for these randomly spawned "treasure chests" in player owned systems while avoiding gankers, pirates, and security forces. you can make big $$$ and do it alone, and it's really fun to boot

>>379416094
I'll have you know i've been with plenty of ERP partners.

>>379416626

Sounds fun. That's basically how I played multiplayer servers in Freelancer.

Downloading now.

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The following isn't even nostalgia, I am well aware that RO has always been a giant, pointless grindfest and I get that I was simply more open to those back in the day. (Even though I still would play the shit out of a rebooted vanilla RO)
But that MMO did some good shit on its economy and class design nothing else has managed to replicate (and its new owners have made sure to violate to death.)

>Start RO
>Go around the tutorial stabbing things
>Take whacky-ass personality test
>You should totally be a merchant!
>The fuck is that?
>Look it up.
>Mite b cool.
>Unique if anything else
>Go out of tutorial
>Have to walk my way to Alberta
>Make my way there the hard way
>Unaware there was a fucking direct ship to it
>Oh shit auto-aggro high level enemies
>Run like the winds
>Reach Alberta
>Have to run all the way to some other sandnigger city to deliver a package
>Christ no ship this time
>Repeat process
>Merchanthood!
>Oh god I am so weak what do I fucking do
>At least I have this cart
>Walk around prontera checking what shit's selling lately
>Stems?
>Search up nearby area for easy stem farming
>Painfully farm stems one axe swing at a time from tentacle rape radish things
>Set up my garbage-tier stem shop on the street corner of a non-overcrowded spot
>that feel when all your stems sell and you can afford new gear and payment for players to escort you to your next destination

>>379413571
This is literally not the case and never explained this way ever, you are absolutely wrong
There have been prior warriors of light but you are currently the only relevant one

>>379414029
That's how I forged my lumber imperium in Fonline 2238.

>everyone hates chopping wood
>start chopping wood and sell it
>make ok cash
>start hiring noobs to chop wood for me and in return help them get started
>hire pvp players to guard good lumber areas and keep competition out
>become filthy rich

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>>379410904

>>379412840
>Not rolling a giant

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>>379416729
do it up, good luck!!

>>379416895

This is exactly the kind of shit MMOs need. Emergent gameplay opportunities. I had a good laugh, anon.

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My current character on her newest outfit.

Game: Mabinogi

Is EVE actually fun?

I was thinking of trying the free version on Steam, is it a bad idea?

>>379414534
Roger Ebert/10

>>379417117
it really depends what you're looking for

>>379416325
> but everything about that game makes me wonder if I somehow got a totally different version from the rest of the world because it's one big disappointment all around.

That's pretty much what I've felt through it myself. I do not understand the amount of hype it generates.
And this is not a "I am a bitter old man and games are unfun!! >(((((" /v/-tier shit, but more like... In a practical sense, I sincerely do not understand why people have grown as attached to it as they have. FFXI and WoW had their reasons to survive despite their flaws.
FFXIV seems to do everything wrong, from game pacing, to unrewarding progress, to altogether dull gameplay and just terrifyingly weird character models with cero design qualities and somehow it manages to stay afloat and with burning passion from its crowd.
Happy that people have a place they enjoy to play in, don't get me wrong, but I just don't understand it.

>>379417016

Shit like that is the best. SWG really let you do it, too. I had a twi'lek musician/smuggler that would sell splices and spice after playing shows in the cantinas of player cities.

>>379414757
Does GTAO allow you to actually cooperate with the police in any way aside from NOT committing crime?

>>379417024
Nobody likes you

>>379416542
This would be a great post, if it actually made sense in this context. WoW has the most content to do of any MMO, while offering it's specialization point (endgame PvE challenges) in piss easy versions and the hardest the genre has to offer versions. WoW isn't on top because it's average, it's on top because it offers something for casuals, regular players, AND hardcore players.

This isn't just about mass appeal, it's about an entirely different approach and people's opinion to that.

>>379407338
It is incredibly unfortunate that this character creator is wasted on EVE.

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>tfw your character's clothes are the typical faction outfit that everyone gets

>>379417016
You could do all kinds of amazing things in Fonline.
I also used to run a thieves guild that employed pickpockets in hub areas and tricked people into revealing things they shouldn't to rob their tents or ambush them and their friends.
Not really lucrative of course, but a lot of fun and we gained quite the infamy.

Unfortunately that's all in the past as most of the fun stuff has been "fixed" after endless whining from all the players who don't know what roleplaying is.

Long gone are the days were GMs would put you in prison for 10 minutes after you committed a crime, so other players can laugh at or insult or throw cow shit at you.

You can still hold stand-up comedy competitions in the bars though. At least that they couldn't take away.

>>379407338
>"More MMOs need to let you be an average joe"
What's wrong with this exactly? I mean obviously I don't want to play as a Farmer (Unless I am also a beastmaster who fucks shit up with the "farm animals".) but like I'm kinda tired of the chosen one bullshit. I'd rather earn my power/right to be important to the plot. Starting off with a "you win" button plot armor is fucking stale and old as shit.

>>379417117
No, it actually isn't. There's nothing enjoyable about the gameplay whatsoever. It doesn't take skill to play, just knowledge and math to create builds/layouts of the ship(s) you want to fly.

>>379416423
The huge problem with a lot of MMOs is that they have extremely shallow systems outside of combat, so RP ends up being 90% ERPfags pretending to be girls and RPing their gay sex.

>>379417620
>Tae-Kim's amazing character designs got used for a horrible theme park MMO with terrifyingly low quality background artwork with cero writting quality invested in it

Why must I suffer so

>>379417620
but that's not faction, that's jiangshi

>>379415690
Bless you anon, bless you for that part about BDO. I'm glad someone else understands why that game is so shit.

>>379417282
Well put. I refuse to believe the waifus alone manage to keep people playing (especially because only the humans and cats look good).
There's no real sense of exploration, a very bland art style (aside from some traditional FF influences), very basic combat and crafting, and downright uninteresting rewards for playing.

The weirdest thing is that they fucked it up with FFXIV originally, then didn't really do all that much better when they launched it again, but for some reason people suddenly did take to it.

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Do you want to play a game of... pretend?

>>379417117
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui7ZTlfNngc

>>379417869
>character designs

What designs? There's literally no design to any of them.

>>379407832
>My life of so trash that I must find all fulfillment in videogames and imagining someone who wants to experience anything else in a setting is impossible for me
>I must be the chosen one!:(

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Needs more body diversity if anything. Fat mages and spell casters where?

>>379417869
I finally got bored of it too. Did last me longer than any other MMO in the past 10 years, though.

>>379407832
>not understanding the fulfillment of a normal individual set against overwhelming odds and achieving victory through hard work, wisdom and cooperation
>preferring deus-ex-machina "I win because I have been chosen to win."

Does anyone play Neverwinter? That shit any good?

I just want an MMO where I can group up with people and grind shit, what games encourage grouping up?

>>379418409
Are there any games where you defeat the chosen one, who is not you, through skill

>>379418471
It's extremely mediocre. Not terribly bad, but it has nothing going for it whatsoever.

>>379407832
The whole point is to be a normal human who overcomes these huge odds through hard work and perseverance, not shitty MacGuffins that the writers put in there because they're too lazy to write actual characters.
Or better yet, a world where there IS no big bad threat to the world, you could easily just create an MMO where the biggest threat is other players, especially with how popular all these battle royale games and mods are.
There are plenty of MUDs out there already that prove that it can be done.

>>379418386
>fatties

Fuck off. If anything, clothing stores in real life need to stop selling anything other than basic bland shit for any sizes over medium. We don't need that crap in games, let it be the only place in life where we DON'T have stupid fat fucks.

>>379418528

The most I can think of is RO and Dofus. Both of which involve you being a very greedy but otherwise hardly noteworthy adventurer seeking out magical gizmo (TM) for your own benefit and unwittingly winding up murdering half the divine and demonic entities in the world in an effort to achieve it.

>>379410235
Literally impossible

Besides, it wouldnt do well as a commercial product since the average casual would get their ass kicked by 1 (one) goblin and then quit

>>379410152
>I want to be challenged by game catering to me
In MMOs of yore becoming powerful and/or rich needed actual effort and communication between players. Average Joe is where everyone starts and can be, people can find their niches, whatever...
But if you wanted to be more than that? You better buckle up for a real adventure and if you actually succeed all of the player base will know your name.

This is what fags like you and devs don't get, average Joe creates the stakes and makes the spectacular person actually amazing. Even the average Joe actually has to set up his shop and communicate between players if he wants his fishing business to succeed.

>>379418619
>especially with how popular all these battle royale games and mods are

Like not at all, you mean?

>>379410235
Lifeweb, it's round based though

>>379418805
>Besides, it wouldnt do well as a commercial product since the average casual would get their ass kicked by 1 (one) goblin and then quit
Dark Souls kind of proves this wrong.
Nothing wrong with a game that doesn't ENTIRELY cater to casuals.
>>379418821
Nigger, the 3rd and 4th most popular games on Steam based on peak playercounts are battle royale games.
Hell, even Ark SA is full of these battle royale type servers.

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I really wish I liked MMOs more than I do. By all accounts I love the idea of grouping together with thousands of players to explore vast fantasy landscapes and have great adventures.

But generally speaking they're too mechanical. Ive played DnD for years and I understand a game can't offer that level of insane freedom but at the same time because it's a game there's a very clear BEST way to do just about everything that will no doubt be organized into spread shits that even if you don't follow yourself everyone else will be.

Your hunter or archer or mage just becomes an exact carbon copy of someone elses and yes it does depend on individual skill but no player really feels unique

>>379409525
As far as FFXIV story is concerned, you are literally a walking godslayer and hero of light later on

You are a pleb at least for the first few hours of the story though

>>379418528
The Pokemon games, technically. Red is the protagonist in the series and you beat him in multiple games, starting in Gen II I believe.

>>379418483
All I can think of is a private server for the original Everquest.
There's some sort of spiritual successor in development right now. It has a very stupid name and looks really cheap but it has what you want in spades.
https://pantheonmmo.com/

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>>379418821
????

>>379410010
You fucking retard abortions it's Les Grossman from tropic thunder

>>379413336
Am I the only one who hates fan service? Like if you want to show me lewds go all the fucking way.
I don't want that shit in my settings or whatever.
Now I mean blatant fan service of course, of it's a natural sexual situation that happened in plot it's all fine.

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>MMO stat sheet
>Doesn't have skills like pic related
Why even bother?

>>379417398
And i dont like anyone, so we are perfectly balanced.

>>379410904
From back when I still played TERA.

>>379419343
>you fail or succeed based on numbers, not skill

No thanks.

>>379418978
No i mean if there were adaptive AI with two, even three times dark souls difficulty? Thatd be a Grimgar experience, dark souls enemies are literally mindless zombies and fight like them too, the little difficulty there is comes from the inflated damage

>>379419450
Welcome to every RPG ever.

>>379419173
>believing most-played charts, especially on Steam

Dude you know they fabricate these things in order to trick people into buying those games?

>>379410904
>loldragoon

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>>379419427
Woops.

>>379419342
It's fine if I'm not supposed to take your product seriously or if that's the whole point like in DoA. But if something contains fanservice and some sort of drama or tension they can fuck off.

>>379419450
The numbers represent your skill though.
That's kind of the point of having a stat screen in an RPG.
>>379419551
2/10

>>379419342

You are not the only one, but probably vast minority.
I play my MMOs for the lore and gameplay, and even I admit that if I can make a hot dude or a pretty chick while keeping it stylish I will be 1000% more invested in it, just for having the choice.

However there is a fine line between tasteful/well-designed fanservice, and utter trash boner-bait shit (see:Tera)

>>379419482
Which is why every RPG sucks.

>>379412390
Final Fantasy and WoW

>>379419570
"Little people" in MMO's (even when they're not pedo bait like in TERA) is probably the worst thing in games ever. They're always, without exception, played by utter morons.

>>379419343
>Largest number is 20
Am I the only one that prefers this to the insane shit where players have literally millions of hit points?
There's just something about having all those huge numbers that makes everything feel kind of pointless, it doesn't really feel like you're progressing, just doing the same shit with bigger numbers and flashier effects.

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Image tries too hard to make it look complex but still has some point. I can't think of any skills or abilities that require teamwork in XIV.

>>379419794

Let's be blunt this applies to pen and paper too. Halfings where a mistake

I feel like they missed the mark describing SWG. The Cantina's and Med-centers had plenty of people playing the game their own way. Tumblers letting medics practice, doctors outside spaceport dispensing buffs with their Droid for tips. Scouts and Rangers setting up camps in the wilderness for hunting groups. They weren't stealing Death Star plans, they were killing giant lizards for hides. Smugglers could hide spice from storm troopers, or shoot their way out, hoping no Imperials popped into pvp mode and wastes them (if the deadly troops didn't first)

Sure you COULD become a Jedi, but the grind was so brutal it felt like an accomplishment... Then they made it a starting class... So much wasted potential...

>>379419342
no, i hate it too

kind feel that if you want bikini armor n shit you'd have to work for it rather than everything being slut armor and the only cool looking armor is like from the tutorial.

i mean like having to defeat some boss or do some endgame or side thing that gets you it like dragon quest or other rpgs.

slut wear really shouldnt be as common as they keep making it in games.
Way too accessible so it becomes kinda ridiculous.

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>>379407338
I wish we had more non-asian MMOs w/ overly ornamented yet somewhat realistic armor.

>>379419831
The stats that satisfy my autism the most are Vanilla WoW's.

>>379417024
Your dedication is admirable at least.

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>>379420142
>overly ornamented yet somewhat realistic armor.
One of the few things TES did right but somehow ESO armor is uninspired garbage

>>379407338
Why? If you want to be an average joe go outside.

Loli vampires for me.

I just want an MMO with a world that feels dangerous again.

hard content shouldn't just be limited to harder modes of certain instances.

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>>379407338

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I want to go back and play my Demon Hunter so badly but I refuse to give Blizzard a dime until Momentum is unfucked and Nemesis is dumpsterfire tier.

>>379420647
There's always Wildstar.

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>>379407338

>>379411036
>>379410010
>>379407831
Damn now i wanna play saints again. I never did finish The Third.

>>379419961
Just spinning the wheel is too complicated nowadays.

>>379407338
Nobody wants to really play mmos today, they are grindfests and expensive.

People want to play fun games.

>>379420647
I want a PnP inspired Warhammer Fantasy MMO

Random starting character, and i want all 1000 classes in the game

I know there are some issues with random starting characters but later in the game, like the tabletop you would be able to

>advance your career and and just exit into things until you reach the role you desire
>find alchemical potions, encounter events that would allow appearance/attribute change anyway, though of course these kind of things are infinitely rarer on the tabletop (might NEVER happen depending in the DM) it is for vidya purposes

Also a robust chaos mutation system

>>379420647
This so much.
Tired of having to play MUDs to deal with lower-level mobs that can one-shot you with a lucky crit when you're new.

>>379420957

There really isn't.
Wildstar is just a dead wasteland full of paywalls and poor performance at this point.

>>379420647
You really don't though, there are mmos like this running now so if you wanted that you would go play those.

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>>379419961
>mfw PUP was released and I could enjoy all of this complexity and infuriating cooperation with my very own retarded yet surprisingly complex AI
>skillchaining with my automaton bro and shit

No class will ever replace PUP's automata.
This emptiness will never cease.

>>379419343
How is HellMOO these days? How many active players is there and are there corp ars happening?

>>379419409
>MMO thread
>Mariel shows up

Clockwork

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>game have decent character creation
>too retard to make any use for it
good thing I can just use other people creations

>>379421332
I need some names anon.

>>379420973
i want to reinstall that shit game just to erp
should i do it or na

>>379421332

Such as?

>>379421448
BDOs customization system is literally drag and drop + sliders though?

>>379412840
is the game any good?

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>>379407338
The title doesn't really fit the article to be honest. I agree with the general sentiment but successful criminals who cheat and fight their way to the top are just as extraordinary as heroes are. You never hear about the tales of average Joe because the average is boring. Average Joe is no more a pirate or a rebel than he is a knight or a royal.

>>379421634
Korean Grinder as fuck

Combat and Graphics are solid though

>>379421665
but the story in the article was about an average joe criminal

>>379421634
>>379421724

Until you realize the combat is worth nothing since the game is just about AOE-ing as many enemies as possible and any build that doesn't cater to that is pretty much worthless all through.

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Perfection desu.

what are some games where i can play as a hot girl and are f2p or free to try

>>379421859
wut game?

>>379421438
>How many active players is there and are there corp ars happening?
I haven't played since like early 2015, but from what I hear they reset everything last year, so now would be an okay time to jump in if you're interested.

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>>379410010

>>379422146

more

>>379419173
I agree with the point your making, but listing garrys mod under literally any single category is stupid.

>>379421968
EVE.

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>>379422260

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>>379422334

>>379413429
Which they did anyway lmoa

>>379421557
The only server with erp is celestial hills on NA, so yes it's free if you want that.

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>>379422440

yeah whatever

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>>379418718
>whaa people can't be taller or more fit than me without being punished
manlets, when will they learn?

>>379414409
The pain is real

>>379419961
I have my own reasons for disliking FFXIV, but this is kinda disingenuous because BLM skill usage in FFXI was just spam whatever nuke the enemy would be potentially weak to along with potential buff/debuff. The enemies also aren't as mechanically intricate as FFXIV's. FFXIV BLM has the same rotation for each fight, but more intricate rotation with changed timings based on what the enemy will do. FFXI's idea of hard was a simple boss with so much HP that it can take hours to kill. FFXIV's idea of hard is a boss that requires near perfect coordination and skill with multiple phases each that has multiple things happening at once that need to be circumvented.

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>Replaying Saints Row 3 on PC after 100%-ing it on 360 due to buyers remorse
>It doesn't feel as shitty as it did on the 360
>let my friend who also played it on360 try
>he asks me if I modded it because it feels nothing like the 360 version

What the fuck is going on, it was an awful game on the 360, by that logic it should be shit regardless of platform.

Am I going crazy?

>>379423176
Half the story missions were glorified activities and the more interesting faction gets knocked off first.

>>379416729
Exploring is good, but shit can be hard tho.
I think with Tech1 you can't really use cloaking, so be very careful.
Imo Lowsec Exploration is a way more lucrative but also more dangerous. (mfw I had 4bil loot and accidently warped to a smart bomb camp -- life is hard :( )

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>>379407338
>>379407831
Here's my average joe

>>379418810
You're missing the point dude. The amount of effort/work to go from "like everyone else" to "Server superstar" is the same amount of work you can put into real life and be successful, which actually has more meaning.

Yet, not everybody is. A lot of people are just fucking average in real life. And if you design a game where you are average unless you are exceptional, it just mimics reality. Basically why put so much effort in a game to achieve what you could have in life?

It's pointless. Games are fun, and fantasy is fantasy. Having it be achievable through easy/quick means is part of the charm for them.

Fuck your buckling down and pulling up your bootstraps in videogames. They aren't meant to be realistic in that regard, there's enough bootstrap pulling bullshit you have to do in life

>>379423000

That seems extremely reachful. FFXI's bosses are entirely dependant on proper coordination with everyone in your party, not only for timing of add kiting, to AOE ranges, MP/HP management through a lengthy fight, aggro-management and a lot more that simply doesn't take place in FFXIV because what you avoid is the boss' gimmick, and not the actual gameplay related factors.
Giant death circles of doom or "deal enough damage before your whole party gets wiped" shenanigans aren't the same as "being coordinated"; it's just having prior knowledge of what the fuck is going on or not / being retarded or not.
Ultimately has nothing to do with being COORDINATED; it has to do with people doing the macguffin correctly or wiping to it.

>>379416258
I played like 4 Years of Ultima Online, some Silkroad, couple years in EVE Online and alot of Wurm Online.
Funnily, all 4 of those you have an impact as a player. People can curse your name and your presence alone can make them shudder if you do it the right way.
Todays MMOs are all boring and there's no real player interaction outside of "lfg" and raids.
The most fun I had was holding people ransom in EVE and raiding a Corp bank after they trusted me enough.
Ultima was fun for breaking down houses. Harrassing others, etc.
Silkroad had some engaging PVP when raiding player trade routes
AND DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON WURM.
I wish there was a better Wurm Online out there.

>>379407338

A good article for a change.

Hate this fucking shitty uninspired design where everyone gets to be the chosen one in a game with fucking millions of people playing. But seeing as how every MMO nowadays is a glorified single player game with mute people running in the background, instead of being a social and cooperative experience with atrition and focused on an adventure filled with moments of risk-vs-reward ponderation, I'm not really surprised they are shoehorning stories that would only work in a single player game in this garbage genre. Even the itemization from these games reveal the shitty mindset since everything is character-bound nowadays, which makes no fucking reason whatsoever.

Every MMO out there is the exact same shit. You're the special snowflake, now rush this padded out quest chain up to the very last level and do the same scripted dungeon that is also instanced because we want to create safe spaces where no one can be bothered by other players so you can grind for gear in order to run the dungeon that you're already fully able to run. Don't forget to come back in a few months when the next patch makes your current gear lose all its value so you can do it again!

They should downright delete these fucking shitty quest chains and let you level up however you want, either through killing whichever mobs you wanted or crafting shit, being a thief or even a murderer, an alchemist, a store owner, things like that. And no you fucking faggots, Final Fantasy XIV isn't this game, it's just a shitty wow-wannbe that we already have by the thousands. It does have a nice occupation system but the game is the still the exact same quest-chain instanced dungeon grind garbage where everybody gets to be a champion and never dispute shit with other players/get pked.

>>379412840
>>379412936
Black Desert?

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Okay

>>379420973
>tfw youre the only male character in your guild and probably the main city.
I feel like an endangered species swimming in a sea of lesbians.

>>379423490

Pretty sure both of you are missing the point.
Both extremes are stupid. "Struggle until you have to make a life out of the game to make it worthwhile" is as bad as "lmao shining star so I can forget life existuuuus kawaii chosen one time escapism!!!"

The point is to give choices and freedom so people can immerse themselves in all ways to a degree.
A storyline to follow that gets you higher up if you want to go for it, or remains grounded if you prefer it that way.
A world you can interact with beyond "push F to gather" and "Push B to kill", and actually becomes a pleasant and entertaining activity even if it is something basic.

You personally may enjoy some sort of low-effort-high-reward shit because your life is horrible and tedious, other people may simply not.
Or maybe exactly because they do, they'd like to live a version of their lives with slightly modified things, where they can immerse themselves in a setting with different lore, and fantastic things, without having to undergo a task so vastly different from themselves and their own personality they can feel no attachment to the writting whatsoever.

TL:DR
Choices good.
Railways shit bad.
Utter sandboxing shit bad.

>>379424094
I didn't know Everquest got a new expansion.

>>379423176
YesNoMaybe

>>379424243
I should have clarified, I didn't mean everybody should be a superstar yeah. In moderation everything is better, but I don't want to struggle my ass off to get somewhere/be renowned. A challenge sure, but a fun one I can do in my spare time without fear of falling behind because "oh I need to spend 6 hours a day on this game to get anywhere"

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>>379417024
you look like a fucking filthy Jian

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>>379408913
>>379414029
>>379416895
>playing SS13
>Janitor
>mop the floors
>mop all the floors
>20 minutes in the station is on fire and there's xenomorphs in the hallways
>mop up the giant blood spills
>on off days play traitor
>put space lube into the mop water
>hack the airlock doors open
>slip and slide people into space
>terrorism incarnate
JANITOPIA

>>379423881

Anon, it sounds like you are just a public nuisance, not an "engaging antagonist to other's playtime."
It's because of people doing senseless shit like this for no benefit beyond ruining other people's time that developers have pussied out and removed any trace of confrontation between players.

>>379423996
WoW killed MMO as a niche and made it to just another Singleplayer game.

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>>379407338
>The only MMO's that let you be a fuckall nobody trying to make a name for yourself are CoE and AoC
>Kikestarters with broad claims and empty pockets
Are we destined to either be conned by KS on ambitious ideas or complacent with Jap/US MMO "We swear its different this time" #489

>>379411161
>Miqote
>not Mithra
disgusting

>>379423672
But the bosses attacks ARE part of the gameplay mechanics. All that other stuff you do in FFXIV as well. Deal enough damage before your party gets wiped? You can't do that in FFXIV since it's dependent on dodging shit a lot but in FFXI this is kinda what you're expected to do. the fact that you think having to ACTIVELY dodge stuff is sheer prior knowledge and not the simple straight forward mechanics of FFXI show how little you know about either game.

No kiting? Coordination in FFXIV? Dude actually play the game before you shit on it or at least know what you're talking about. FFXIV has a lot of bosses like A8S where it becomes a multi boss fight and kiting is super important. Coordination isn't the spam and occasional switch of FFXI, it's the insane amount of mobility required for the more modern MMO mechanics that are in FFXIV.

>>379424413

Then that is understandable, and I agree with the sentiment.
It is what made FFXI hard to keep up with. It may have been chill and enjoyable to do with friends, but lord help you if you didn't play as often as they did.

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>>379407338

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>>379424505
mfw Janitor is one of the most important jobs. It all stands and breaks with the Janitor once chaos hit.

>>379424536
What game?

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>Be in a gang
>Don't wear your colors

I shiggy diggy

>>379424964
Champions Online

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>>379413594
Kind of but not quite. When they were trying to add the "Walking-in-stations" stuff all those years ago the game was broken as shit. Lots of stuff was really poorly balanced, sov mechanics were terrible and the game was well overdue for a rewrite.

The community were vocal about this so CCP changed their minds, put "walking in stations" stuff on the backburner and instead spent 3-4 something years balancing ship classes, re-doing module tiers, changing some core game/sov mechanics, getting rid of shitty POS code and replacing it with Citadels and adding DX11/12 support with a new graphics engine.

In the end it's paid off for them. Maybe one day they'll add more on the walking in stations bit, maybe add a common room for your corp members to hang out in or space bars but for now we just have to wait and see.

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>>379413970
>plays theme-park MMOs
>complains about theme-park MMOs
>is a frogposter
really makes you think

>>379425052
How disappointing.

>>379425259
Yep. Cool character though right?

>>379424783
Mabinogi is the only game that managed to capture that feeling for me
I was jealous of people above me, and they were so much stronger it almost felt out of reach

But if you keep at it, you steadily make progress constantly
There's no level cap but at some point you're more than strong enough, and only keep getting better the more you play

So I recommend that game, though the weeaboo graphics might turn you off

Biggest negative despite what I just said is that the game hosts CONSTANT events, and you really do feel like you miss out if you don't do them...can burn someone out fast. But it's a very unique MMO, genuine freedom. You don't have to fight anything to level up, though of course you do level faster by doing combat

>>379418718

poor poor manlet, i understand being intimidated by people bigger than you. must be hard living that close to the ground

>>379424564
It's not that I wanted to be an Antagonist.
I just liked having fun with people -- also it's not senseless shit, because in all of those games, I did it for profit mostly. (Except for Ultima, because messing with people there was fun as fuck)
EVE Ransoming is very lucrative. I didn't really like PVP..
Wurm Online has a faction system and having Wars is fun. Or socializing with the enemy, because there's no reason.

>>379414591
>stock market
>white collar crime
>black market
>permadeath
>no themepark mount riding magic light fuzzball floating shit
Seriously just play Eve Online, learn to station trade, use your profits to start a newbie-friendly mining corp and extort their hardwork for your own gain, use all of that & stock market money to fund illicit activities, mercs and such for your personal gains.

Also keep in mind that scamming is considered a legit game mechanic in Eve Online. It's not like other games where you'll be banned for offering to double someone's gold.

>>379425037
>game with good to great customization options
>OCD makes me wear purple all day everyday

It's nice to have options, though

>>379417024
Oh wow, didn't even notice this guy was here when I posted
>>>>>379425356

Mexican faggot aside, the game is good aside from the constant event burnouts (for me at least)

I just want non spammy combat and endless amount of content to run with people. I want that weird japanese ps4 game that looks like dark souls and never came out to be coop online and massive with source servers styled party finder.

Ps: fuck lorefags

>>379423000
>just spam whatever nuke
Noob Blm detected

>>379425476
Scamming gets you flagged by players.
In itself is legit, but players will sooner or later know your shit.
..Also that actually sounds fun. Take the Profits for mercs sounds really fun.

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>>379409982
Correct

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>>379407338
step up

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>decide to roleplay as a Touhou in Saints
>make Yuuka Kazami lookalike
>play naked on principle because none of the clothes let me assemble a faithful outfit for her
>instead put flower tattoos all over her body because ayy lmao flower youkai
>spend the entire game powerleveling into health regen and amount, resistance to all sorts of damage and melee damage of myself
>run around battering enemies to death while bullets fail to do jack shit on me
>repeatedly fap to the power fantasy

>>379410904
Those are fucking disgusting. Get better taste you faggot.

>>379425682
>What are alts
also not all scams are spamming local chat in Jita. Everyone and everything is so untrustworthy in that game that one guy is literally Space Famous for being trustworthy. There's no such things as friends in Eve, just mutually beneficial contracts.

A lot of newb Eve players think that the game is run by the dozens of Corp/Alliance bosses that own space but realistically it's the handful of incredulously wealthy station traders that call the real shots.

Goons (Something Awful forums) learned this the hard way. After 6 something years of bullying 60% of the game into working for them a half-dozen anonymous wealthy station traders basically bought everyone under them to kick in their shit.

>>379409525
Play Runescape my dude. You're a fucking nobody with the potential to be somebody.

Too bad it's a game not worth playing anymore.

>>379426203
>A lot of newb Eve players think that the game is run by the dozens of Corp/Alliance bosses that own space but realistically it's the handful of incredulously wealthy station traders that call the real shots.

Ah yes, I heard that once, and I completly get it.
Some of them are probably even getting madbux irl from what I read.
It makes sense. Goonswarm used to have so much space, but got kicked into their own little pisshole, that they went into complete irrelevancy

>>379424564
>Anon, it sounds like you are just a public nuisance, not an "engaging antagonist to other's playtime."
That's part of the fun.
Not him, but I remember back when HellMOO was more popular and had actual open PVP, there were assholes hated by everyone who would just go out and fuck up as many new players as they possibly could before the NPC police forces could ever even react.
Another tactic was booby-trapping popular newbie grind spots or even rest spots with explosives just to be dicks.
Eventually people and admins literally put fucking bounties on their heads and started rewarding people for killing assholes.
There's nothing wrong with a game where you can get ganked by someone way stronger than you, that's the point of creating a game that relies heavily on player interaction, and having that interaction allows organic systems and gameplay to develop on their own.
When you make a game where YOU can be the big bad cunt that makes life hell for everyone else, that can be genuinely enjoyable.
It can also be easily exploited to the point where the devs strip it out from the game and heavily restrict PVP.

>>379411051
retard

>>379426796
They currently hold the 5th most space and have like 7 Keepstars.

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/systems

>>379411302
God Vella will never not be hot to me.

>>379426957
Nvm then. But atleast Test Alliance is still big.

>>379411051
1st, Eve online.
2nd SAints row 3 or 4
3rd, FF14,
4th saints row 4
5th, Blade and shit, Dragon's dogma, and ff14.

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>>379427186
While goons did get their shit pushed in in WWB they've since bounced back and have taken over Delve. They still have by far the most members and the largest null economy in the game. Hell, they mined something like 7t worth of ore in Delve last month.

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>>379412840

>>379425850
Why is a bird shitting on that poor cat?

Do you have more?

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>>379407338
Any games that actually let me do something like this? I just want a game where I can find my own little niche, doing things that I enjoy without having to be some shitty ex machina motherfucker.
I've lays been too afraid to try EVE, too- I don't want to have to pay to work a second job fucking with spreadsheets.
No Runescape, please. I'm still mourning.

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Might as well post mine since everyone is posting theirs.

>>379417024
people still play mabinogi?
Goddamn, hopefully you have an excuse like living in brazil or bangledesh

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What game lets me play as an absolute titty monster?

>>379429030
Is that a JoJo reference?

Not only do I want to be unknown, I want to play as a disgusting, fat mutant. Just like real life.

>>379429002
>I've lays been too afraid to try EVE, too- I don't want to have to pay to work a second job fucking with spreadsheets.
I really wish this stupid meme would die. First of all, Eve recently implemented a free-to-play option. You're limited to the three smaller ship classes but it's more than sufficient to get started in the game without paying, and you can easily make enough to buy a subscription with in-game currency. Secondly, the whole "second job/spreadsheets" thing is the most overblown shit ever. While it's helpful to have automated spreadsheets for calculating profits when you're doing station trading or manufacturing they're completely optional. I make billions of isk a month (a sub is about 1.3b per month right now) just by spending 30 minutes a day updating my market orders and manufacturing jobs on an alt I keep at the main trade hub, no spreadsheets used. Anything more than that I make goes to having fun blowing up shit on my main.

>>379412324
I love short-haired women but I don't like that hairstyle at all. Stupid as shit on women

>>379429565
But isn't the combat standard MMO fare that only relies on how much money the players have spent?

3 way faction war is the way to go. DAoC had it right, and soon enough Camelot Unchained will have it right.

>>379429297
bdo if you post more

>>379409982
Yeah it really ruins my immersion knowing there's 1,000,000 other players running around who are also chosen ones.

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>>379429921
That's Black Desert Online right, Anon? That's a little grindy, got anymore?

>>379412572
that's what I made too, and I'm sure I've seen other anons do the same
whats with sr and russians

>>379430049
Aion has pretty in-depth character creation, its free.
I wouldnt be surprised if you could make a titty monster
However its probably dead.

>>379413067
Hey newfag, this is a video games board not a political one
Go to reddit.com if you want to discuss politics

>>379409750
EVE Online

>>379429710
No. Your character's skills do have an impact on the effectiveness of your ship but once you have all the basic skills trained the difference is in the 5-10% range which is more than made up for by skillful piloting, counter-fitting, etc. For example recently I killed someone who had been playing much longer than me who was flying an Eris (tier 2 destroyer worth about 50m just for the ship, no modules included) with a Kestrel (tier 1 frigate worth about 5-10m fully fitted) because he was fitted with short-range blasters and I kept him at range with a web, afterburner, and warp scrambler. Here's a video that exemplifies the importance of skillful manual piloting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UieJcWI-YM