Find a singular flaw that isn't pathfinding

>>379405834
>gotta save before every fight
>fights are rng
>if your party man die you must walk long
>must drink lot of potion

Planescape Torment was really better.

>>379407104
I want ESLs to leave

>>379407104
Can't live happy with your waifu.

>>379407104
Flaws in the game, not your retarded brain

>>379405834
The combat is basically a puzzle, it's difficult to figure out exactly what spells you need and when exactly you need them, but when you do it becomes extremely easy. that's both good and bad

>>379405834
>Find a singular flaw

Not a flaw per se, but the Enhanced Edition

>>379407104
>fights are rng

Kill yourself, underage.

>>379405834
Sure, it's easy.
It crashes like fuck on modern machines and makes it borderline unplayable with an old copy

>>379405834
It's a great game anon, one of the best ever. But don't be a faggot idiot that pretends it's flawless.

>Shit animations, they're serviceable but they're not good by any means.
>Shit spell particle effects with a few exceptions, they make magic look really fucking boring a lot of the time. Some spells are great like flesh to stone.
>Opening dungeon was really cool the first time but is just an annoying slog after that. You can skip it with mods but that is not an option in the base game.
>Gameplay balance is a mess but it's still fun despite this.
>Some classes are worthless, or just horribly boring to play.
>Can't permanently kill Drizzt.
>No defense against him stealing his shit back.
>There's a bad balance on companions for every playstyle.
You could go on, none of these flaws makes it a bad game. In fact despite a lot of these problems the game is still probably the best or one of the best 3 CRPG games ever made, but don't be that faggot that thinks something is either perfect or complete shit. It's a great game but it has flaws.

>>379407104
i can confirm all of this. desu i didnt know the game was D&D based so i bought BG1 and 2 and the combat is fucking horrible.

>can only use 2 spells before having to rest
game combat is retarded as fuck but everything else is nice

>>379407104
>gotta save before every fight
No. No you really don't. You're just bad.

>fights are rng
Nope. You're just clueless. As discussed above.

>if your party man die you must walk long
English, motherfucker. Do you speak it?

>must drink lot of potion
Or I dunno... have the odd healer or healing spell memorised?

You're an idiot. You're too stupid to figure out simple game mechanics (stoneskin, blur, mirror image etc) so that's why your casters drop like flies.

Hell, even fucking AMERICANS can understand Baldur's Gate, that's how simple it is. You must just be thick as pigshit.

>>379405834
God tier
>memorize walktrough
>now do the same
Notsobadtier:
>watch a walktrough as you play

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>>379407104
>if your party man die you must walk long
What did he mean by this

Opening dungeon goes on too long and sucks. The mod that supposedly lets you skip it doesn't work at all.

One of Viconia's endings is absolute bullshit and flat out ignores what high level characters are capable of in favor of being "lol bittersweet" for no good reason.

As if the Bhaalspawn wouldn't just Planeshift into the afterlife and haul her as back out like Orpheus

>>379409915
Using ANY sort of walkthrough makes you a bad gamer

A game REQUIRING a walkthrough makes it a bad game

>>379410308
>not wanting to hit it and quit it
Cuck.

>>379407104
>must drink lot of potion
Someone was shit at the game.

>>379407104
Whenever someone complains about having to drink a lot of potions in a game, I always wondered if they've played Inquisitor. You need a sack of potions for pretty much every fight.

After finishing the first one with scs i can't imagine how annoying bg2 mage must be

>>379405834
>no option to stick pinky in wiener hole

>>379410034
>>379409265
>opening dungeon
What it is with you faggots? I hear the same about Fallout's Temple of Trials. You can beat either within 5 minutes. Get your ADHD meds.

>>379405834
"You must gather your party before venturing forth."

>travel between area in bg1
>random encounter is a Basilisk
Fuck you

>>379405834
There are zero flaws, only cuck fags who need to git gud

>>379411538
>tfw you encounter basilisks in the candlekeep basement with no way to protect yourselves from them because you didn't read ahead that there were going to be basilisks in candlekeep basement
woooooooow

>>379411607
Level 2 druid spells

>>379410437
? this game doesn't require a walkthrough at all.
you may need to read up on how the combat system works and what is breach and why you should memorize as many of it as possible.

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>>3794100
We all long roads in life anon, if your party man dies you must walk it alone and that's a long journey.

Can we stop pretending it's a good game now that we have pillars of eternity?

>>379409686
>No. No you really don't. You're just bad.
The game tips explicitly says to quicksave often.

>Nope. You're just clueless. As discussed above.
What is the dice then?

>English, motherfucker. Do you speak it?
He meant that if a party member dies, you have to walk long distances to revive it.

>Or I dunno... have the odd healer or healing spell memorised?
I'll give you this.

>>379405834
>you can't explore the world like bg1. It's such a dissapointment to go from setting to setting without transition.

>every fight is annoying because hold, chaos, etc. And buffing your party against them is not a solution.

>most characters are unlikeable and annoying.

>you can't walk through a town without being interrupted by some npc or one of your party members.

>the story is pretty meh.

>small enemy variety.

>athkatla has like 20+quests while the other locations have no more than 5.

>>379414624
>you can't explore the world like bg1. It's such a dissapointment to go from setting to setting without transition.
So they removed senseless grind, how terrible. There's always Watcher's Keep if you just want to kill shit for hours

>>379405834
AD&D 2ed is shit

>>379414883
>senseless grind
How about an actual interesting world where you had to go your own way to find shit rather than an on rails theme park that rushes you through everything as soon as possible and only gives you 3 tiny shitty empty areas after the Underdark to explore.

Crpgs are ass. Literally an anti-fun genre of games.

>>379415065
I sure love empty zone

Icewind Dale > Baldur's Gate

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>>379405834
Pretty much no exploration, felt like it dragged on after awhile.

>>379414883
I wanted to see the transition between locations, which are not many btw. Even jrpgs at least have an overworld where the party can move.

>>379411864
You can get pretty fucked without a walkthrough considering how brutal and unforgiving some bosses can get, BG2 is one of these games that has lots of fuck you moments. Didn't pick that shard in Irenicus's rape dungeon? Fuck you, you can't craft the best sword in the game now. Same goes for that legendary axe. Trusted Yoshimo? Too bad faggot, never trust chinks. Put characters that don't like each other in the party? Well good job now they killed one another. Forgot to save before going to planar prison? Hope you like it there.

>>379415628
This guy gets it.

>>379415628
>Pretty much no exploration
>felt like it dragged on after awhile.
So, do you want more locations or less? You're literally contradicting yourself under one breath.

>>379416057
I want more locations with the appropriate amount of content spread between them. I didn't realize it was a difficult concept. Pretty much everything in BG2 happens in Athkatla.

>>379411680
Git gud cuck

>>379411680
Kek, this.

>>379412961
Can we stop pretending pillars of eternity is a good game just because muh obsidian?

>>379416254
>Pretty much everything in BG2 happens in Athkatla.
I actually like that. Athkatla serves as a hub city bustling with secrets and shit to do and explore. There's some secret cult under every drain plate and evil mage living in every random shack. Coming back to the city to deal with the vampires was the comfiest thing ever.

>>379405834
its based on D&D rules. those games are never good from my experience. plus i can't stand dungeon crawlers. boring as fuck.

When was the last time we had a great non-weeb party RPG? DivOS was awesome but it had so little roleplaying and generally felt more like a tactical game a la Jagged Alliance. PoE is shit, I don't even want to touch Tyranny after it received even worse reception. I feel like the fact that every game these days is first/third person killed the idea of handling a bunch of dudes in chaotic encounters.

>>379417587
>plus i can't stand dungeon crawlers. boring as fuck.
That point would probably be more relevant in a thread about dungeon crawlers.

>>379418269
When was the last time we had a great weeb party RPG?

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Is Ascension worth it, or it's just hard for the sake of hard?

Why doesn't Aerie just use Wish to get her wings back, since her ability scores would let her successfully make the wish without fucking it up?

>>379420816
She will end up with chicken wings.

>>379407104
>>gotta save before every fight
This is largely true for Baldur's Gate 1 where you are stuck to lower level DnD for most of the game and one critical going one way or the other changes the whole fight, but it's a non-issue in 2.

>>379415887
Being taken to Planar Prison is worth it if only for the dialogue of Minsc with the doctor.

>>379415887
Equalizer is not even good, especially by the time you can forge it.
>>379421867
Doctor?

>>379422042
>Doctor?
It's been a long time. Whoever is involved.

I need another playthrough. What is so bad about the Enhanced Edition? Should I just play the original?

>poor balance/easy to break
>party member interaction is mostly limited to complaining abut shit
>story is weak
>"romances" are embarrassingly bad

>>379411670
A Paladin has a good chance of beating the shit out of a Basilisk before he gets stoned

>>379405834
The game is a little to linear, especially past act 3.

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>>379405834
>That Viconia ending

>>379407104
I was 11 when this game came out.
I didn't speak or read english very well as it was my second language.
I got to the underdark without internet access.
Get fucked.

>>379411357
>If you don't like it you must have trouble with it!
Fuck off retard. It's a boring dungeon and annoying to have to go to spam through dialog and the same shit in the same way every time you start the game.

>>379405834

Love the game but evil really wasn't an option. Most of the best rewards come from doing good and any benefits of evil are out weighted by the increase buying costs etc of being evil.

Also being evil usually meant pointless dick moves that didn't really benefit you.

>>379405834
Interface is clunky and unintuitive

>>379422367
>What is so bad about the Enhanced Edition?
The Enhanced Edition can be fun. Until you realise that anything that makes it good is either copied from a mod or part of the original game.

If BG is liquid crack, Enhanced Edition is Liquid Crack stretched with piss.

>>379414624

The biggest problem with the city quests is that it should have had more quests that only unlock after Spellhold.

I always find myself doing all the quests before Spellhold meaning post-Spellhold Athkatla is a little lifeless.

>>379422993
The game is actually very open world. You can do any big quest you like to get the 15k gold required to go for Imoen. Afterwards you can still do all the other quests.

>>379424298
That also links in to the issue that the urgency the main quest tells us about ends up getting largely ignored.
You can waltz about doing jack shit and Imoen or your Soul will still be perfectly fine.
IIRC, the only potential issue is that Imoen falls behind levelwise, but that's easily fixed with Shadowkeeper

Can we ever hope for BG3 or the cucknadians from Beamdog won't let anyone to make it?

>>379424748

Very true. Although I tend not to take Imoen. Which again craps on the main quest.

>I must find Imoen!
>Hey Imoen, you kind of suck as a mage and a thief, meet Yan your replacement.
>Well you're free now, off you fuck.

>>379424748
>That also links in to the issue that the urgency the main quest tells us about ends up getting largely ignored.
Just think of it as videogame thing ffs. The one time urgency time limit was actually implemented (Fallout 1) casuals threw a shitfit and it had to be patched away

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>>379407104
>>379412154
>tfw no party man

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Imoen Romance is surprisingly comfy.

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>>379425302
No.
If you refuse to acknowledge any urgency in game, don't try and tell me it's actually urgent.

>>379405834
Combat is arse and mages are way too OP compared to melee.

>>379405834
I'm playing through BG 1 for the first time in years.

Fuck having one of your party member randomly getting OS by bullshit.

Otherwise it's fun, I'm enjoying it a lot more than when I was 12.

Can't wait to import my char and play through the second one when I'm done.

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>>379405834
>Find a singular flaw
Pic related

>>379425148

>BG3

Throne of Bhaal wrapped the series up, in an albeit rushed why.

Probability for the best.

>Played BG2 EE.
>Start what I think is a friendship path with Dorn
>The faggot tries to bugger me in the adventurers mart.
>Not the Adventure I had in mind.
>Uninstall.exe

They'd just ruin BG3 with faggot shit.

>>379425580
>Laughing Paladins and Mind Flayers.tapestry

>>379425148
SoD proved that they don't have the chops to do it.
I don't even mind the tranny shit, even if it was hilariously retarded due to the nature of the games most infamous item, but what they did with Safana shows they clearly aren't up to writing a proper sequel, and the bugs show they can't handle the technical aspect either.

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>>379425775
You are not using the right portrait.

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>the only non-cunt in the game
>used good
>lusts after BBC
This is why we can't have nice things

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>>379426248
Sorry, I'll use the correct one.

>>379426472
This is disgusting.

>>379425817
mind flayers are actually extremely hard to beat as fighter classes since the only equipment that gives protection from level drain is restricted to wizards.

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>>379427024
What's wrong?

>>379425413
Jesus I remember that shit getting meme'd to death when it was around a few years ago.

Did they actually change it into something that wasn't a walking fetish parade or some stupid anime bullshit?

>>379423051
>Ascension tries to justify that it was SUPER DUPER BAD SHIT POISON MADE BY LOLTH HERSELF

Just fuck off, Gaider.

>>379414165
the game tips also reminds you to eat IRL.

>>379428302
it's not anime

>>379405834
>cringy romance
>too easy to cheese
>too easy to be overpowered if you know what you're doing
>terrible player avatars (why does everyone have long hair?)
>too many katanas, and katanas being good (terrible cliché)

Everything except avatars and romance can be massively improved with mods. Overall, amazing game.

>>379428171
do mind flayers even level drain? doesn't they have that int lowering attack.
>>379407104
confirmed for not playing the game.
you don't need to save before most of the fights,fights might technically have rng but they aren't really random.
if a partymember dies, you can ressurect them yourself and i rarely even use potions, most of my playthroughs i don't use a single potion

>>379428497
Worth installing.

>>379415628
this is true. i always loved the free exploration in bg1. honestly bg1 was amazing

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>>379425817
>get to the mind flayers hideout
>summon a bunch of these sentient swords
>open the door
>let them in
>close the door
>enjoy the sounds of dying
The hightlight of the game for me

>>379405834
DUDE TRAPS LMAO

This is the most annoying fucking trope in crpgs.

>>379405834

Druid kits

People that complain about the Enhanced Editions are autists

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>>379405834
Should I grab this and 1 or just 2?

>>379429606
did they ever fix the massive amounts of bugs in EE's?
i remember bg1ee being unplayable in mp

>>379429897
>Enhanced Edition
Neither. Try to find the originals

>>379429897

Is that Icewind Dale? That one's fun too, but make sure to have a druid in your party.

>>379430176

Yes. Really the only glaring issues left are the shitty new npcs (whoch can be killed or ignored) and some mod incompatability.

>>379430270
The originals can only be pirated, if you buy EE you get the originals.

>>379430270
I heard that the EE were filled with bugs or something upon first release, but that has been fixed supposedly.

Anyone want to confirm this?

>>379430270
desu there's nothing wrong with them if you just ignore the wacky ass new npcs.

>>379429897
Download the originals without Enhanced Edition. Then use TuTu.

>>379430589

BG2 EE came out four fucking years ago and people still don't pay attention.

How can I get into this game? I don't mind all the reading, I love that, but the spell system is absolutely killing me (there's so many fucking spells, and you can use only a few before you need to rest to refill the spells). Can someone post a guide for beginners, for example what spells I should focus on or something? Please help me experience this masterpiece, I've dropped it two times until now, and it's a shame because I got immersed in the world thanks to the writing.

>>379430645
Literally every new NPC is forced upon you by a scripted event. You can ignore them afterwards, but new players may not know what to avoid.

>>379430895

https://pihwiki.bgforge.net/Baldur%27s_Gate:_Arcane_Spells_List

If you're making a mage, aim for 18 in Int and Dex and 16 in Con. Everything else is eh, though having a high wisdom makes Wish hilariously broken.

>>379431039

I don't know about BG2 but the only one that's forces you into something is the Wild Mage and that's only if you get close to her. Everyone else you have to initiate dialog with.

>>379405834
making imoen a bhaalspawn
viconia's ending
only elf waifus

>>379431039
>Neera + Rasaad = 5 characters

Does hyperbole not get old?

>>379430895
Which is why you don't use magic unless you really need it

>>379428701
>too many katanas, and katanas being good (terrible cliché)
There's like 1 good katana and you get it from an easily missed and reasonably difficult optional fight with a ninja and his companions.

>>379431039
thats a lie the only that does that is the wild mage, every other character just stands there

>>379430645
>>379430589
They're not bugs, their specific decisions that makes the game worse than the originals.

>>379431334
>>379431575
>>379431897
Hexxat force talks you several times when you get close. Dorn literally takes you into a special map where you get to watch him script kill some bandits. That goblin piece of shit is involved in a quest, where you get to see it do stuff apart from dying.

Ok, maybe you need to speak to Dorn before his event triggers. But my point was that new guys won't know to avoid that.