xenoblade 2

>>379354969
If it follows Xenoblade 1 this could be one of the best JRPGs

>>379356206
no reason why it wouldn't be called xenoblade 2 if it wasn't

POST your favorite Mitsuda track

>>379354969
I think this game is going to be much bigger and better than what a lot of people are capable of imagining.

>>379357930
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA6HpFfsFxY

GOAT opening

I'll miss Sawano

>>379358031
I don't know about that, expectations are already really high after the last two xeno games/BotW

>>379358092
he'll be back for XCX2

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What is there to discuss, do you even realize why people appreciate the ost?

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>>379358149
>he'll be back for XCX2
if that will ever happen

>>379358156
yeah, yasunori "the god" mitsuda, minami kiyota, and ace+ are on it

>>379358149
>last two xeno games
But X sucked anon

>>379358351
highly disagreed

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>>379358351
except it didn't

i'm going to play xenogears before xenoblade 2 comes out. how long is the game?

>>379358441
Don't play two RPG's back to back anon. You'll get burnt out.

>>379358327
Not even close, think of the first thing about what is said about the ost. Those names are always said

>>379358441
about as long as xenoblad's main story

also if you thought XC's story was a rollercoaster, you havn't seen anything yet

>>379358505
xenogears and XC2 play very differently, I think he's fine

>>379358436
This wasn't even in the game.

>>379358609
there was a police car and doll similar to that, did you play the game ?

>>379358441
i beat it last month at about 65 hours. also, this may help you out as a good resource: https://howlongtobeat.com/game.php?id=11402

>>379358609
yes it was, part of H.B's quests iirc

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>>379358609
One of few glaring mistakes Monololith soft made, honestly
>>379358683
>>379358703
wrong color scheme guys. I wanna my Alphonse
Also 30 lvl only, no?

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https://youtu.be/84Y95Uu6vng

THIS GAME IS SO AMAZING HOLY FUCK

>>379358505
it's alright. i think XC2 won't come out till the end of the year.

>>379358569
oh nice. i loved xenoblade's story >>379358687
thanks anon. did you emulate it or..?

>>379358790
I said similar

>>379358937
it's still 30 lvl only tho.
I just used it to find all blood lobsters

>>379354969
I feel like all we know about this game is that it has music.

>>379358909
I played the PSone port on my Vita that I got on a sale a while ago. Playing in bed was very comfy, but goddamn were those battles slow. loading times and long detailed animations took up a lot of time. While it was very cool, i saw them alot.

>>379354969
Gonna likely be good. The only thing in the trailer that was crap is the character animation.

>>379359346
I think this should be the last game to use the XC engine, or at the very most the next xeno game should be the last one

>>379358423
In terms of what?

Content? Yeah, lots of that. Tons. An impressive amount. In terms of all things Xeno, however, I'd prefer disc two of XG to the monstrous amount of B/C story filler.

The aesthetic of XBX hurts my eyes more than XS2. Everyone looks twice as demented as the XS1 designs.

Silent, create-a-protagonist was not a welcome departure in a (spiritual) series whose protagonists all have deep (often convoluted) narratives.

I could go on. Glad you liked it. The music is indefensible however.

>>379359591
Eh, it's not the engine that makes the animation bad.

But I still agree.

>>379359657
The music is great. Yeah, its mixed horribly, but its still perfectly fine and as good as XC overall.

>>379359657
the story of XCX is paced exactly like XSI, it's meant to be a set up

>everyone looks twice as demented as the XSI designs

not with shit like momo, and XSII is the bottom of the series artstyle wise. Just look at fucking shion

>Silent, create-a-protagonist was not a welcome departure in a (spiritual) series whose protagonists all have deep (often convoluted) narratives.

agreed, at least story wise there was a bigger focus on world building this time

>music is indefensible

some of it yeah, otherwise it's got fantastic tracks like sylvalum

>>379359657
int term of everything.
X potatoes miles better generic 3D anime game "Tales of" X2 artstyle
Silent protagonists are always million times better than fully voiced ones.
>not liking music
you just didn't let it grow on you
HELLO

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>>379359808
>Silent protagonists are always million times better than fully voiced ones.

can XBC and XCX bros ever get along??

>>379359941
when a story focused XCX2 drops yeah

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>>379359657
can you point where is it wrong? wrong tempo? fucked up tone?

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>>379359870
they are
everyone knows that the best written characters are always side characters
>>379359941
I like both, for different resons

>>379359805
Yes xs2 are the worst was my intention. XG designs and xs3 designs appeal to me the most. I consider xcx in a tier alongside xs1. I just don't like it.
>>379359808
Granted, because there's no such thing as a good Tales game, at least not one worth more than $20.

>>379354969
WHERE IS THE GAMEPLAY TAKA
YOU SAID THERE WOULD BE GAMEPLAY

>>379359657
You cant tell me any of these aren't great

https://youtu.be/ETGgUJECT7g
https://youtu.be/vGUaVZN2ttw
https://youtu.be/4ffMspQdbRA
https://youtu.be/sXDHBveGR3Q
https://youtu.be/L1aBg6qIGdU
https://youtu.be/lQws-A8Fj7Y
https://youtu.be/WNRnFvPny4g

>>379360098
I real hope it won't suck, and just be as good as X one.
E3 please don't disappoint.

>>379360060
untrue, especially for xeno

best characters are Fei, ziggy, dickson, and Nagi respectively

>>379354969
>>OST recording finished by this weekend

source?

>>379359941
Probably not, Wii Ufags are infamously volatile. Bayo 2fags hate everyone who prefers Bayo 1 or any of the DMC games, #FEfags hate SMT and FE fans, Xfags hate all other Xeno fans, Smash 4 players hate all other Smash players.

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>>379358798
>dat music at 1:12

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Things you don't want to hear ever again on E3:
We are changing that

>>379360060
Are you trying to imply that the Unlosing Ranger is not baller

>>379360075
that's fair, though the artstyle of XG was the same as XS1 and XCX

>>379360098
mate just wait a week

>>379360098
One week man. Just one more week.

>>379360239
don't be retarded you double nigger

>>379360162
>>379360253
>>379360289
I sear to jesus I'll be really pissed if we don't get any news on E3

>>379360182
>Fei over Elly
Respectable.

>>379360124
Good, but as a overall package?
Pretty disappointing.

>>379360378
Soraya Saga already tweeted about it, a tweet from here = xeno news every single time

>>379360228
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2017/04/xenoblade_chronicles_2_composer_confirms_soundtrack_is_practically_complete
Closest thing I could find.

Have there even been any officially released tracks from the soundtrack itself? Usually games release a few beforehand.

>>379360378
We get the announcement at the launch event, so I believe

>>379360392
Fei's characterization with lacan puts him on the top for me combined with everything else

>>379360453
nah this isn't it, it's from april and it's mistranslated, it was only halfway done at that point

his recent facebook posts says they're done now/done very soon

>>379360051
I do feel there are odd tonal shifts too yes. The difference between something like Grahf and the first few introduced antagonists are just silly.

It feels more like Shadow Hearts in those terms, where it walks this line of having a narrative that's to be taken seriously, but most every framing device is tongue in cheek. Maybe I'm crazy. I am.
>>379360124
Honestly the poorly mixed raprock spoils me, but I'll check out more of the tracks piecemeal. That said, some of my favorite jrpg music is from TWEWY, so again: I'm crazy.

>>379360402
subjective, what you expect from the game is not what you have in mind

>>379359591
They all use the same engine?

>>379359794
Nope.

>>379360124
>linked not one, but MULTIPLE shitty Sawano vocal tracks
I don't think ALL of X's soundtrack sucks, but shit like Wir fliegen and Uncontrollable is exactly why X's soundtrack gets so much fucking hate. That shit takes you out of the moment, it makes what is supposed to be an open world sci-fi RPG feel like the latest garbage Trigger anime.

>>379360687
Yup.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyA_BmX8dgs

>>379360620
>subjective
No shit, we're talking about video game music.

>>379360253
I might have hated XG's aesthetic if it weren't just cut ins and sprite work. I love XG sprites and cut ins though!

>>379360402
Then what about these
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4wBxzNwdS4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsUw4Hzex0M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkjVykdl8mk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5IoSv1QI5o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3ch02hpnUM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kmdt5wU0F6g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj78Wvi_-gA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggM1txB1xjY

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>>379360578
>>>>>>>>
I was talking about the music, I'm your first reply. Don't worry, that answers my question anyway

>>379360634
judging by the walking animation I would say so

>>379360732
You're wrong tho

IS THIS THING ON

>>379360748
I have to make sure you know that, gets pretty annoying with fags saying opinions as facts

>>379360874
AM I ALL ALONE

XCX definitely does have some good songs but the fact of the matter is you spend a significant portion of the game forced to listen to UH UH YEAH. Other songs being good doesn't change that.

>>379360578
TWEWY is my favorite OST in general. It just fits that version of Shibuya they were going for so perfectly

>>379360796
You're wrong though. They made a completely new engine for XCX. They are probably reusing that for XC2.

>>379360978
source on that? can't find anything

>>379360932
IS ANYONE THERE?

>>379360936
>New LA Night
>Bad
It's the day version that's cancer.

ONE TWO THREE FOUR

>>379360978
its hard for people to realize that an engine doesn't mean animations and look.
Hell, Guilty Gear is made on Unreal 4.

BIONIS
SLASH
X
XC had a ton of hype fucking moments, im still playing XCX and theres some good shit going on but the pacing really turns off my overall experience

>>379361084
Both are cancer.

>>379361076
I NEED A BIGGER GUN

>>379361248
HELP IF YOU CAN

>>379361121
you are supposed to do whatever the fuck you want, XCX is open world and they mean it. Explore the world. This isn't a straight line like XC

>>379361121
That's honestly the worst thing about X, Constantly sacrificing pacing for a huge open world with things to do. It isn't game ruining, or anything close to that, but if you're her for story and characters first, its gonna be rough

>>379361060
I'm pretty sure I read about it in an Iwata Asks interview. But its been a while, so I might be misremembering.

>>379361301
PLEASE WAKE ME UP

>>379361335
NOT TO SOUND CLICHE
>>379361084
mah nigga
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZxLijQvEa4

>>379361371
BUT THIS WORLD SUCKS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3yG_20r338

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>3 girl characters confirmed
i can't wait for one of them to end up being melia 2.0

>>379354969
Does the art style remind anyone of Dark Cloud and/or its sequel or am I just weird?

>>379361320
You can't just brush away all pacing issues with the fact the game is open-world. There's still a main plot and the game needs to commit to making that a solid experience.

>>379361438
Betting all my money on smug catgirl

>>379361435
This is pure gold

>>379360796
It's very easy to cross-port animation between engines though, so that would hardly be an indicator.

And the most glaring similarity bewteen the walk animations in those games is that they're all bad.

>>379361483
main plot is find the lifehold and you do that by exploring the world

>>379361438
it's gonna be the cat girl, think her race is decedent form high entia/homs interbreeding after the "bottlenecking" effect in XC1

>>379361559
>walk passed a lifepod on the overworld
>can't do shit with it until you start the quest

at least the lifehold was underwater

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>>379354969
If it doesn't have pilotable mecha I don't care.
XCX set my standards too high. I can go to a million places for great stories, there is no game that comes close to the satisfaction of piloting mechs in XCX.

>>379361559
Anon, I get it. But when youre blocked off from doing story stuff because you havent dont XYZ yet, thats a pacing issue. It may be fine for you, but it is an issue with pacing. It didnt bother me, but it is a big issue for a lot of people who like tight experiences without any fat.
>>379361621
this shit bothered me so much

>>379361707
we know there's some sort of ship, whether it's for cutscenes or gameplay is unknown

>>379359657
>The music is indefensible however.
Shittiest of shitass normie taste fuck off.

>>379361794
>normie
So this is the kind of retard who likes Sawano music.

>>379361715
then go do it if you care so much about the requirements, all of them get done by itself when you explore and use different party members for different situations
why even acknowledge trash like that? If they can't do it don't bother with them

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>>379361707
I still care but holy crap gimme giant robots any day
X was awesome in that regard

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>>379361951

>>379362074
Theres going to be mechas for sure, i dont want a playable one tho, unless it plays similarly and doesnt break the game

>>379362371
break the game how? kill the small enemies too fast? they tell you in game not to do that that shit

>>379362371
are you implying dolls broke the game in XCX? Because ground combat was more broken if you knew what to do

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>>379362371
>not wanting to break the game
also what breaks the game in X is overclocking, not mechs

>>379362551
Exactly. This anon knows whats up. Shit's broken
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJS2xTS-PQ4

>>379362853
what's funny is this isn't even the most broken thing in the series, topple locking in XC1 was the king

Running and jumping around in X felt pretty good hope feel just as good XC .

>>379363110
>getting back to first XC after X
So that's how feels like being physically handicapped

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>>379358798
And Xenoblade 2's world will be twice as large at least holy shit

Why is it that I don't see much discussion of the xeno games on /v/?

>>379363649
lack of console wars to spark more arguing/posts since it's a multi-console franchise, generally one game per generation so not much discussion (although it seems like we'll get at least 2 on the switch)

>>379363649
>X get announced
>potato shitposting, open world meme shitpostng
>game gets released - still some shitposting
>localization changes - maximum shitposting
>western release - still shitposting
>quite a few months after western release - actual discussion if you are lucky enough, but most people already played most of it and don't want to visit threads period

>X2 get announced
>anime artstyle shiptosing, "tales of" story shitposting
repeat the cycle

>>379363649
underage and /vr/ exists

>>379363780
>>game gets released - still some shitposting
>game gets released in japan - still shitposting and spoilers everywhere
fixed

>>379363780
>Not being a part of the chill hype threads before X released

>>379363583
Source? I mean I don't doubt that, and I'd even say it could be something like 5x as large, but where did you hear that 2x specifically?

>>379363879
I was, but it was almost always disturbed by potato shitposting. As soon JP release happened I hardly visited threads after that
>>379363932
no source
only info we have is teaser and music info

XCX felt too much like a mmo in my opinion, XBC on the other hand was a great adventure game and it didn't have that overdrive bs

>>379363990
Potato shitposting was ironic and done by everyone. Only the FFXV comparison shitposting was done by XV kun.

>>379364031
it had topple
and was as "mmo" as X.
even more MMO, considering how locations worked

>>379364031
>overdrive bs

yeah instead it had something even more bullshit, chain attacks/topple locking

>>379364058
>was ironic
the border between ironic and not ironic shitposting ceased to exist awhile ago
I want my potatos back

>>379364031
>didn't have that overdrive bs

Yea, instead it had the break, topple, daze loop.

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>>379360719
>Uncontrollable
>Bad
YOU KEK IT'S THE GREATEST BOSS THEME OF ALL TIME

>>379364414
Not the guy you're replying to but I didn't really like the vocals. Loved the instrumentals though.

>>379360124
It wasn't so much the quality of the songs but the use of them that sucked. Instances that would occur constantly such as hub or battle themes tended to have brash vocal tracks. While they may sound good hearing the first 50% over and over again is very fatiguing. Hubs themes in particular should generally try and be as calm and discreet as possible due to how often they will be played (and to reinforced the calm safe haven that hubs are supposed to be).

Using vocal tracks for cutscenes that had heavy story exposition in was also fucking retarded for obvious reasons, especially since the vocals were often louder than the characters who were talking in the scene.

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>>379361371
My nigga, NLA Night is comfy as fuck.
Black Tar is good too, fight me

>>379361435
I never knew I wanted this.

>>379364578
>implying any person with taste dislikes black tar
Don't you see every X thread we have HELLO, IS ANYONE THERE, etc chain going on?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpVFML2cQeQ

X's soundtrack definitely has a few stinkers in it, but I really wouldn't change it. It gives the game a very distinct identity. Kind of a weird sci-fi Americana according to the Japanese that you don't find anywhere else.

How do I beat Lorithia?

>>379364690
ON A SEA OF DARK MATTER

>>379364761
EVERY MINUTE MATTERS

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>>379364761
>>379364825
Post YFW YOU'RE STUCK ON A WHOLE DIFFERENT PLANET

>>379358270
It HAS to happen anon.

>>379364756
use all ether users

use the "come to me" command to get the AI out of the ether pool

Lorithia gets a defense boost if there are like 3 or more orbs present

Which of the xeno games would y'all recommend to a newcomer to the series?

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>>379364903
I sure do hope so

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>>379364825
>>379364884
>POST YFW YOU'RE LIVING WHILE OTHER LIVES SHATTER

>>379364962
start with xenoblade 1

want more of the same? wait for xenoblade 2

want a more gameplay focused game? play xenoblade X

want a more story based game? Play xenogears. Still want more story based? Play the xenosaga trilogy

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>>379365012

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>>379365012
>MFW NO PEACE LOOKIN AT THE SKY

>>379364094
No

>>379364690
Are you guys trolling or do you legit think this is a good song?

>>379365145
It's good.

>>379365057
I heard that xenogear's second half is absolute dog shit. Is it still worth playing just for the story?

>>379364756
Take melia and spam that bolt abilty it does way too much damage

>>379365190
absolutely, in fact it's the strongest point. The second half isn't dog shit it's just missing gameplay sections which are replaced with narrative

>>379365115
yes
"mmo" is not a bad thing. it has some good gameplay mechanics. Problem starts when "mmo" is actually a mmo. Then those mechanics get buried under tons of irrelevant stuff for online only experience

>>379365145
it grows on you, nigga

>potato X died for this terrible animu arstyle
I can't tell which one is worse.

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Who was your main in XBC ?

>>379365243
Is xenoblade still the better starting point though? I do want to experience a good story.

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>>379365180
It's okay anon, he's just
LOSING HIS WAY, HE NEEDS SOME PROTECTION

>>379365363
xenoblade 1 is the most "consistent" xeno games, while many think the story in gears is better and the gameplay in blade X is better, the low points of xenoblade arn't as low as either of those games. that's why I think it's a better starting point, it's the most cohesive experience

The story of xenoblade is great by the way, it's just compared to xenogears which is a top 10 stories in gaming title

>>379365363
Not him but I suggest you start with XBC too, don't forget to get the texture pack

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WIND BLOWS HARD IN DECEMBER

>>379365467
I guess I'll start with blade then. Thanks helpful anon(s).

>>379365423
BLACK TAR, IT GETS YOU
WHERE EVER YOU GO

>>379365545
no problem, just remember it's a spoiler heavy game so try to go in the dark

have fun

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>>379365069
Your pizza taste like shit fucking make it again.

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>>379365506
LAST NIGHT DO YOU REMEMBER

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>>379365707
OH SO YOU WANT SOME PIZZA
YOU'LL GET SOME PIZZA ALRIGHT
SOME SPECIAL PIZZA
JUST FOR YOU

>>379365707
>>379365807
who was in the wrong here?

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>yfw it's a summer release

>>379365834
>loss of wife and overworking turns someone into serial killer of innocent people, including other humans
gee, I wonder anon

On the topic of OSTs. What kind of musical style would you want in XBC2?

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>>379365807
>>379365707
>>379365069
>guy with bombs on him
>told him to jump in the water thinking it would save him

I don't know what I was thinking

>>379366086
it's already confirmed to have something more closer to first xenoblade game

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>>379365085
>MFW SEEING GHOSTS SCATTER

>>379366140
Source?

>>379366086
patented mitsuda Celtic music

ACE+ guitars

Kiyota piano

>>379366110
he is dead regardless I think
you can disarm bomb if you hear right things in city from npcs
but he still dies from poison
or not dies, but put elsewhere for recovery, don't remember details, but he surely don't show up again in usual places as npc

>>379366110
>Mfw I did Phog's heart to heart so I knew that wasn't water so I didn't tell him to jump
Any time this game brings up water, be wary. Something terrible's no doubt going to happen.

>>379366190
literally the same composers only mitsuda took over shimomura's role (who did the less than the other composers)

>>379366220
I'm sure he's fine, they'll just remake his mim

>>379366153
I don't even watch Ex Aid but this guy keeps delivering regardless

>>379366279
doesn't mean that it's necessarily going to be the same

>>379365891
You've lost it, it's a december release at min.

>>379366402
I don't know trailer music sounded very similar

>>379366246
that water facility is fucking cursed I say
CURSED

>>379366406
I'm banking on november, Mario is december

>>379366441
I guess we can't really discuss much since there isn't much material aside from the trailers to look at

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>>379365834
The xeno scum of course.
>>3379366220
then the manon Detective dies if the guy dies.

>>379366609
>cooperate with hostile xenos to kill friendly xenos
make sense

>>379366603
This sounds identical to XCB senpai.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgRRj4JMxts

>>379366531
Mario is late November, that's their big slot, Smash, 3d World, Pokemon, WiiU.

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>>379366342
Shin Dan Kuroto is god's precious gift to mankind that keeps on giving. By far the best part of the show

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>>379358351
the only problems with x was the localization team and the gorilla music in the city

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>>379366879
pure perfection

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>>379366956
>New LA Night
>Not one of the GOAT hub themes

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>>379366763
>listening to song
>'hey you're right!'
>click on link
>it's a siivagunner bait'n'switch
>mfw

Will we get the japanese voices ?

>>379367061
The real question is will we get another GOAT britbong dub

>>379367061
Will NoA be piece of shit?

>>379358351
>>379358423
>>379358436
>>379366956
>>379358149

XCX went to complete garbage (in terms of gameplay) after you got the Skells, and the story and characters were shit from minute #1, except maybe Elma

>>379367061
if by that you mean dual audio then probably.
if not, switch is region free so it's a non-issue

>>379367202
first game had dual audio

>>379367243
X and 3ds port didn't

>>379367274
don't know about X but 3ds was size issue

>>379367274
>>379367324
oh wait I guess XCX was size issues too, if you got it physical it took up damn near your entire base storage for the fast loading packs

Should XBC2 have a more action oriented combat system?

>>379367324
yeah, sure, it's not like DLCs exist,
"size issues" is not an argument. it never was. Just someone at NoA was too jew to get contract for voices down
Also - Awakening had Dual Audio, Fates and Echoes - didn't
sadly - previous game having dual audio means shit nowadays
>>379367372
anon, come on. Size is NEVER and issue for dual audio, especially today. NEVER. NoA just didn't bother negotiating with VAs over in JP, that's it.
>>379367403
fuck no

>>379367494
persona 5's JP voice acting is 3 gigs

>XC1 had shit designs
>XCX had shit designs and fell for the open world meme
>XC2 will have great designs that match the original artwork and great open world too

Finally a Switch killer app

>>379367160
Don't use the skells if you don't like them

>>379367494
Why not? I think a more action oriented battle system would be more engaging than having characters auto-attack.

>>379367584
>the most generic anime designs ever
>great

Pick one

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>>379367562
and you can download it, so size of the physical media is non issue
your point?
do you think atlus didn't include dual audio in earlier games just cause size? Nope.
>>379367584
>shit desings
lol no
>>379367639
>more engaging
aka utter pile of crap? No one wants action gameplay in jRPG

>>379367584
>implying XCX isn't one of the finest examples of open world

anti-open world ADD kiddies need to fuck off. Just because MGSV is unfinished and ubisoft shits out yearly games doesn't mean open world is bad

>>379367660
xeno series has always had a generic art style xenogears has a generic 90s art style

>>379367796
yeah this

anti anime posting in xeno threads is retarded

>>379367796
Your point being?

>>379367702
It doesn't have to be crap, anon. False dilemma fallacy

>>379367869
Exactly what i wrote

>>379367626
Stop this meme, holy fuck

80% of the enemies you encounter past the point you get skells are designed around being fought in skells, as in: hovering 20 feet above ground so you can't hit them in ground combat and so on.

People who say "just don't use the skells if you don't like them" seriously need to shut the fuck up. Have you even played to the point where you have to fight a huge hovering fortress in the north continent of the game?

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>>379362551
>>379362853
yeah I'm gonna need some tutorials for that shit I'm about to start playing Xenoblade Xronicles X again since I never beat it and got burnt out playing it when it came out after putting in like60-80 hours in it.

Also yeah the robots broke it a little bit when I found a good spot to power level and began having near infinite miranium. I doubt there's still a general for the game on /vg/ but I plan on putting 20-40 more hours into it by the end of summer.

>>379367160
I disagree, the added jump height that skells gave you was the exact movement upgrade that you needed to get to a bunch of previously unexplored locations, but you still have to put the effort in to mountain climb. Also, the extra ground speed of skells makes it a lot less painful to get back to said areas.

What killed it was the flightpack, as it trivializes the exploration by being too powerful.

If you were talking combat, it does tilt what brings you to success more towards preparation and less towards execution, but the execution is still there, as certain attack animations can be used to make you status immune, and exiting/entering your skell actually gives you i-frames.
Also at the end game, your AI controled members are considerably less useless in skells, even if they're still retarded (waste massive amounts of fuel on trash), at least them being retarded actually kills things.

>>379368005
Xeno series always having a generic art style doesn't make the newest one any less shit.


Furthermore, the previous games at least had some sort of stylistic choice that felt like there was an artist who had their own personality draw the characters. XC2 looks like they got random intern #72 from kyoani to come up with everything. Zero soul or style.

I wish I could be excited for this, but the art style looks so boring to me and the snippets of dialogue in that trailer (especially the ones about the girls comparing breast size at the hot springs) seem so atrocious.
All the characters shown look laughably bland.

Help me /v/. I want to be excited. I love Monolith Soft's works and I want them to surprise me again, but this is looking to be tailored to sell to otaku. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but I don't want a mediocre, boring, feelsy harem sci fi fantasy product, I want a Monolith game.

>>379354969
Makes me think the game actually come out this year, usually music is done pretty late in the cycle.

>>379368138
I don't know anon. I think I can tell the difference between XC2's art style and generic moe crap no.99999.

>>379368235
XCX's OST was done years before the game came out, before 2013 (sawano did XCX before attack on titan)

can't judge release by the soundtrack honestly

>>379368179
Their games have been tailored for otaku since Xenogears.

>>379367403
I really hope so, I've had enough of MMO-style garbage

>>379368332
>no, stop using menus to select actions in my jrpgs

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>>379360936
>Taking a stroll through NLA at night
>Just me and my waifu Hope
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weA4a_ATyTY
>mfw

>>379368327
opposite I think, games have been less weeb but blade babies will still complain

>>379368179
E3 m8
Gameplay details
World
Sweet sweet moosic

>>379368008
Which continent sylvalum or cauldros?

>>379368179
Let's just hope that the story won't be shonenshit

>>379368471
Did you like xenoblade, anon?

>>379368408
In the sense that later games weren't literally Eva, I guess they're less overtly otaku, but really anything with a heavy mecha focus or robokinis is aiming at that demographic.

>>379368517
I've played it a long time ago but I don't remember the story being that bad.

>>379368471
nigga you know for a fact it will be, XC1 was and this will be do

want more? wait for XCX2

Xenogears: REbirth when?

>>379368398
Menus would be better, you might actually be able to your your full moveset and give orders to team members then.

When people say MMO combat, they mean things like hotbar, basic auto attacks, cooldowns on skills instead of them using recources, really shitty hit detection, or even none at all (I understand this is usually to facilitate netcode but in a fucking single player game you should make some damn hitboxes).
At least the Xenoblade games avoided "DON'T STAND HERE" AoE indicators.

>>379368179
snippet is most likely a heart to heart

>>379368578
Xenoblade's story is the very definition of shonenshit.
Shonen doesn't have to be bad, anon.

>>379368616
I think an ability to actively evade or block attacks would really make the combat more engaging

>>379361445
Well Dark Cloud and its sequel have completely different art styles so yeah, kinda weird.

>>379368616
Yes, I'm aware of how the shitpost works, anon. You're not describing any elements that aren't common to tons of games that aren't mmos. Even other RPGs use time as a resource for special moves.
Also, that's not a hotbar. It's a menu that happens to have a graphical list instead of a text list. You can't skip around in it like you can with a hotbar; it functions exactly the same as it would if you just opened a spell menu in, say, FF7 and had to scroll through a list.
>>379368828
There are at least two abilities that can be used this way as well as others that interrupt enemy attacks.

>>379363164
The one exception was slopes in Xenoblade
>sliding around on the ice on Valak Mountain
>sliding off that one part of the Mechonis
Good shit.

Movement in X felt great and mountaingoating around gave me hours of entertainment.

>>379368828
Well, you actually have several evasive moves in X, it just didn't explain that fact very well

Assualt Rifles give access to a combat roll that and you're invincible during it's animation.
Likewise, the memetastic skill Ghostwalker for SMGs not only gives you the Decoy status but also have the same i-frames durring it's animation property.
Hell, entering/exiting your skell during a battle gives i-frames.

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They've already confirmed Bunnits and Tirkins, enemies so forgettable it's a surprise anyone recognized them in the trailer at all.

Where are the CLAP CLAP

>>379368964
You have seriously never played an Action RPG with good combat in your life if that's your oponion.

Go fucking play any Tales game, any Star Ocean game, or any of the first 4 Mana games
Then realize how fucking stupid you are that you're unable to understand what MMO combat means, or how it's a completely accurate description.

I have worries about Xenoblade 2. The story looks garbage, no noses and for some reason I get the feeling this will have even more focus on online play than XCX.

>>379369153
>resorting to insults that quickly while also getting mad at a straw man
Thanks for confirming in writing you're deliberately shitposting.

>>379369197
>The story looks garbage
How do you even know what it's about?

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>>379369153
not the guy you responded to but

>good combat
>mentions tales as the first game

every tales game is either doing a cookie cutter combo (like symphonia) or mashing a single button for weakness (like berseria)

I played secret of mana and that game was literally pulling up a menu the entire time to use spells, I dropped it when I got the dragon because it was so boring

if you want a good aRPG, kingdom hearts 2 FM has a great battle system as does bloodborne

>>379369225
Seriously, go educate yourself, most of the games I listed are easily emulateable.

>>379369260
Don't give him attention. He's been doing the
>DAE LE TALES GARBAGE xD!
shtick every since the reveal.

>>379369197
I'm worried too. The trailer didn't show much off and what was there didn't look great.
>script pages from the trailer confirm a hotsprings scene of all things

>>379368327
Not the same kind of otaku I'd say. Fei had only one girl and nobody compared breast sizes. Also he looked like a kung fu man, a very unique look for a JRPG protagonist, especially with the ponytail.
This guy looks like Lloyd Irving's aborted butt baby, and underage, and seems to be having at least three girls longing for his affections.

Xenogears caters to mecha otaku, not otaku into harem, cute girls and such.
The things can mix but telling anyone that Blade 2 is the same as Gears is wrong; it's too early to judge and what we have so far has none of the weirdness, creepiness and mecha wank of Gears. It looks like a more modern anime Blade with a lot of waifus.

Let's just hope the next trailers will show that Blade 2 is more than a generic SAO game.

>>379368446
I hope Mitsuda has it in him again.

>>379368471
I hope the story will be shonengood.

>>379368638
Then it worries me they chose that of all things.

>>379369283
The point is, their combat is still a better example of proper singleplayer ARPG combat than the Blade games.

>>379369283
What even is the appeal of the Tales games?
I finished Berseria and i thought it was really boring.
Not shitposting, looking for genuine answers

>>379369351
>and seems to be having at least three girls longing for his affections.

what the fuck implies this

>>379369328
I've played all of those. My first Tales game was Destiny when it was new.

>>379369423
they are mediocre to OK games you play between big releases like xenoblade and persona

I got done with berseria a few weeks ago, the dungeon design and the "exploration" were TRASH and the combat was pretty repetitive but the boss fights and story kept my attention enough to finish it

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>>379369350
>a bunch of 12 years old in a hotspring

>>379369351
>Xenogears caters to mecha otaku, not otaku into harem, cute girls and such.

I'm not so sure, the game seems to be made specifically for the EVA crowd, and we all know about that fandom's legendary waifu wars

>>379369474
The story IMO was pretty meh but I thought the characters were pretty good

>>379369419
fuck no it's not, XCX's ground combat system demolishes any tales game and especially destroys that shitty secret of mana. I haven't played the other games you mentioned so I can't comment. I recommend the two games I mentioned.

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>>379368686
>Xenoblade's story is the very definition of shonenshit.
You have clearly never seen a shonen in your life and have no idea what the word even means. Xenogears was 10 times more shonen than Xenoblade

>Shonen doesn't have to be bad, anon.
Xenoblade story is excellent in any single regard (plot, pacing, twists, themes, setting, etc...). It is objectively one of the best stories ever seen in JRPGs, as proven by the fact that no one has ever been able to put up a rational argument against it other than "it's not as good as Xenogears therefore it's shit", or parroting the "muh shonenshit" buzzword meme like mindless drones.
If you think Xenoblade story it's bad you *OBJECTIVELY* have shit taste.

>>379369541
it's definitely no xeno game but the story was gripping enough, and yeah the characters are good

>>379369445
>My first Tales game was Destiny

I'm sorry for your loss, the original release of Destiny is most likely the worst in the series mechanically, it's somehow a step backwards from the SNES game, which is probably why Destiny eventually got remade (very good remake to boot).

Remember when the trailer was like 23fps?

This games going to run like shit lol

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>>379369570
>Xenogears was 10 times more shonen than Xenoblade

can't tell if bait or just uninformed

Hotbar battle systems have always been, and will always be shit.

>>379369570
>implying i disliked xenoblade
My post was literally:
Xenoblade is good shonen

>>379369570
> Xenogears was 10 times more shonen than Xenoblade

Ah, the classic case of commenting about a game you have never played before

>>379369570
world building, lore, and philosophy are very lightly touched up in xenoblade compared to gears. The psychological aspects are completely missing as well with characters like melia literally brushing off complete despair. Nothing replaces these missing aspects, you get a simple story that doesn't require much thought.

If Zanza was in xenogears, he would have a fully fleshed out reason and backstory rather than the stuff he got in blade

>>379369627
>a 20-year-old game is dated in retrospect
Well no kidding.

>>379369542
Oh yeah, here's some way that even the basic as fuck Secret of Mana manages to have better Action RPG gameplay than the Blade games.

Player character doesn't have automated attack actions
Attacks actually have hit boxes, you can't sword slash an enemy from 50 feet away
The above goes both ways, you can avoid attacks by moving out of the way of them.
You can give orders to your party members (yes, I know that if you get a vision in the first Blade you can do this once in response)

>>379370061
Is there some reason either of you are pretending any Xeno game has been action?

>>379369791
Since you're apparently too dense to get what I wrote: I compared a Playstation game to an SNES game and said the Playstation game was worse.
So this isn't about fucking "dated in retrospect"

>>379370061
>the game has better action RPG gameplay based off my arbitrary standards of quality

alright man, whatever helps you sleep at night

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>>379369015
>be female wear short skirt every time you do a combat dive you see pantsu.

>>379370138
Blade and X are literally real time combat games?

How many layers of trolling are going on in this thread right now?

>>379370151
Okay, and that comparison is stupid because Phantasia had even clunkier combat that got significantly more bogged down in spell pausing. You should dial your attitude down. You're not going to convince the two other people in this thread if all you do is act like a condescending little faggot.
>>379370223
You tell me.

>>379369528
Yeah, but Xenogears has no waifu wars, at all.
It has no harem romance, at all. The most it has is unrequieted love.
The romance is central to the plot but it's set in stone, it's Fei and Elly' story, not WHO WILL FEI CHOOSE?
>>379369428
If not three, at least two. It seems to me that both sword girls love Lloyd-kun. I mean, usually if the main characters shown in a JRPG are three girls and a boy, I sure as hell expect harem elements.
>>379369737
It's ok if Blade is less complex. The final product might be safer than Gears but it's very enjoyable nonetheless.

>>379369737
I thought that blade had plenty of good lore and world building. The characters are still deep and relateable despite not having a full backstory. The heart-to-hearts help with giving characters more depth. Gears is just more realistic while blade is more light-hearted and optimistic.

I only played Xengears, does Xenoblade make any connection or it just title homage?

>>379370291
>You're not going to convince the two other people in this thread if all you do is act like a condescending little faggot.

Speak for yourself.
Seriously, does your asshole ever get jealous of the amount of bullshit that comes out your mouth?

>>379370450
Ok, I think that's enough giving you the benefit of the doubt.

>>379356280
Because it'll a Final Fantasy case in terms of numbered entries, and everyone's just misunderstanding.

>>379370061
all that shit is meaningless

you wanna know what good action RPG gamplay is?

Having to properly position yourself, making choices between actions like waiting for a secondary cooldown or blowing an art on soul voice, saving TP to revive/use special abilites or to revive someone, etc.

Not button mashing or cookie cutter combo spamming ad nauseam in tales games

>>379370418
nope aside from some common themes like gnosticism

>>379370360
>If not three, at least two. It seems to me that both sword girls love Lloyd-kun. I mean, usually if the main characters shown in a JRPG are three girls and a boy, I sure as hell expect harem elements.

there's absolutly nothing pointing to this. by the way, Homura saying I love this world because you're in it refers to the party, not Rex (see original japanese text)

>It's ok if Blade is less complex. The final product might be safer than Gears but it's very enjoyable nonetheless.

I agree, but it's shonen whereas xenogears isn't. Shonen =/= bad

>>379370413
world building in blade is easily the least explored of the xeno games despite the great concept. I have to disagree with the characters being deep, nothing about them sparked argument/analysis like pervious characters such as fei, elly, or shion

>>379370707
Would gears be more seinen or shonen?

>>379370536
why call it XCX then

>>379370418
there are references and parallels to xenogears but no connection at all

>>379370494
>I'll call him a name.
>Oh shit, he called me a name back? I guess this means his arguments are invalid.

>>379370778
seinen for sure, although takahashi has gone on record saying it might appeal to females more due to the romance aspects

>>379370791
You know you could just read the interview where they explain why they used the X.

>>379365145
Stockholm Syndrome flavour of liking. I hated it at first too

>>379370873
something about crossroads

>>379365145
I can personally always ignore lyrics if the instrumentation is good, though I understand if not everyone likes it

>>379369657
>>379369713
Typical Bladeshitter: "if there's something even remotely shonen, it means it's shonenshit."
very well, let's see which one is more "shonenshit":

Xenogears:
>anime character designs
>martial arts
>Super Saiyan characters with god-tier powers

Xenoblade Chronicles:
>????

>>379371184
I think it's time to go to bed my man

>>379371250
Good idea

>>379370538
If you think proper positioning is part of what makes action RPG gameplay good then why are you arguing against the Xenoblade series having more/better hit boxes?

So, airships?

>>379371324
No, giant whales.

>>379371296
sure wouldn't hurt, it's fine how it is at the moment though

>>379371353
With ships on them.

>>379371393
Giant flying whales with airship towns floating around them.

>trailer shows Yggdrasil as well as one of the dragons

think we'll fight a fenrir?

>>379371458
>the game is just propaganda from the japanese whaling industry

>>379354969
God damn this looks like hot garbage.
That artstyle is fucking hideous

>>379371541
The better question is:
Will Odin grace us with his sweet pecs?
Also, 8 legged horse mounts maybe?

>>379371627
What. Characters designs sure, but the environmental art, weapon design, etc are pretty top notch.

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>people seriously believe this game will be out in 2017

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>>379371627
>Developers keep going for 'Anime' faces with more realistic lighting shaders instead of using toon shaders

Why haven't they all learned yet?

>>379371776
Pretty sure Nintendo already knows about cel shading.

>>379358031
>>379356206
I just really loathe the art style. Xenoblade 1 had one of my favorite art styles in a JRPG, but this is just so generic

>>379372581
You need to stop throwing around buzzwords you don't understand how to use.

>>379372581
Thankfully the world design is typical beautiful Monolith art direction.
But they had to get the shitty h artist to garner Japanese attention (kind of like Valkyria Chronicles, except in that one the characters looked good, in-game).

>>379372672
Are you implying it isn't generic..?

>>379372581
Calling the art style generic isn't really saying much as most anime in every generation tend to have similar art unless it's something completely unique like mononoke (not the ghibli one).

>>379372686
xenoblade's art was done by an H artist too

>>379372686
The world is beautiful. I should have said the character designs I guess

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>>379372581
Chronicles and X didn't look fantastic when it came to character model faces, but this just looks like a FOTM isekai anime.

>>379372720
Alot of manga artists usually kickstart their career with doujin.

>>379372705
look at the recent fire emblem games tho. Sure, they have the trappings of recent anime, but the artstyle is overall distinct

>>379372820
And XBC2 looks overall distinct too IMO

>>379372758
Not just character models but official art too. XCX was passable but I didn't like the character designs anywhere near as much as Xenoblade's

Xenoblade had a very unique style for its time, and it was just flat out cool, unlike this

>>379372884
I thought it was a tales of game at first, when I saw the protag and the heroine. It feels very cliche, something I didn't feel about xenoblade

>>379372702
>>379372746
There we go. Much better

>>379373073
It's still generic

>>379373017
I think it might be the character designs and not the actual art that you have a problem with or am I wrong?

>>379372720
Xenoblade's art was drawn by an in-house artist and if they have drawn porn, I'd like to see it, because they draw some really cute people. Link pls.
Xenoblade X/Xenogears/Xenosaga EP I's artist, I never saw their porn, but I'm pretty sure they've drawn some, at least some vanilla work since all they draw is cute asian girls.
Xenosaga EP III, I saw his porn but I don't like his art.

You see, a lot of Japanese artists have drawn porn in a way or another. Be it a single page in a doujin, be it a whole NGE porno drawn by the animator themselves; it does not detract or add anything to the artist.
The fact that the new artist is a h-artist matters in this context: it's done to garner attention, like they did with Raita and Valkyria Chronicles. It has nothing to do with morality or skill. He is a shitty no-nose, baby-sameface artist whether he draws porn or not.

Shit, they could've called a good h-artist, like Fujimoto Hideaki. She is GOAT. But I guess she drew too much Xeno porn for the role.

>>379373170
Yea, I said that in a later post

>>379354969
When am I getting my third Baten Kaitos game?

>>379373376
As soon as card games become mainstream

>>379373376
I want that too. I want more dreamy card battle games.

>tfw I stopped playing XCX months ago
Should I even bother picking it back up?

>>379373495
>Got 20 hours in before dropping it
The story is just so much more boring and uninteresting compared to XC. I really think the only reason people like the game is due to mechs.

>>379373495
It's pretty hard to pick up xeno x after dropping it but it's definitely not a bad game.