What are going to do about the Al Bhed question?

>>379333971
Better dead than Al Bhed.
Kill them all Johnny.

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Al Bhed fucking shits

born in the sannd? nuke their land

They're not all bad, guys. Just because someone uses a few machina here and there doesn't mean they're going to go and kidnap some summoners, okay.

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>Al Bheds die in massive explosion
>"Boom! Hahaha! Like Happy Festival Fireworks, Ya?"
SQUARE WHAT THE FUCK

There is literally nothing wrong with being Al bhed

>>379334892
ya goin' in da gas chambahs wit de rest o dem, brudda.

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>>379333971
Wakka your racism makes my pussy so wet please whisper racial slurs in my ear while you fuck the memory of your brother out of my snatch.

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>Al Bhed have such distinctive eyes that they have to wear goggles to hide them
>Yuna has one Al Bhed eye
>Wakka has no clue
>Rikku shows up with Al Bhed eyes a-blazin so hard Auron notices immediately
>Wakka surprised as shit
>Lord Braska so famous that everyone knows his daughter, and its a bit of an open secret that he wed an Al Bhed
>Wakka cannot fathom it

Being Al Bhed is basically being a Muslim

>>379336030
Wakka's never actually hung out with an Al Bhed. His sole prejudice comes from being taught that machina use is wrong and then having his brother use a machina and die to Sin. The two events somehow formed together in his mind so he blames the Al Bhed for his brother's death, and in a way, for all the troubles in the world.

>>379336312
No, because Al Bhed's were actually good guys all along.

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>Wakka is Trump
>Al Bhed is Chayna
>Sin is the muslims
>Seymour is yurop

>>379336504

No no no no, you mixed up Seymour and Sin. Seymour was trying to get in Sin so he could control it from the inside and destroy Spira.

>>379336362

Are you saying that Al bhed arent sub human grease monkeys?

I want to take a second, to make you understand, how stupid it was to kill Yunalesca. By all means, refuse the final summoning, leave the goddamn place, you don't have to walk back into the room. Let it be a backup plan for some other summoner while you go find a big laser and have the world serenade Jecht. Just a dang dumb move.

>>379336362
I kind of like the way his mindset breaks down as the story goes on. He finds out about Rikku and he realizes she's not that bad but that's not enough to make him abandone Yevon. The Yevon leaders straight up tell him that they're corrupt but he still refuses to give up his beliefs. It's not until the source of his beliefs, Yunalesca, tells him that the entire religion is bullshit meant only to keep everyone from killing themselves that he finally is willing to look at things a different way. It's more of a gradual thing, he keeps coming up with mental gymnastics to keep his worldview. Which people actually do. And other than his racism he's actually a pretty chill guy.

>>379336872
To be fair, Yunalesca instigated the fight and attacked Yuna's gang first. Really it was just self-defense even though no one felt bad for killing her.

>>379336624
I'm fairly sure they're inbred, but they're good people at heart.

>>379336312

Al Bhed represent a hardworking industrialized nation that get their home blown up by religious extremists when their collation to stabilize spiria fails. JUST SAYIN

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>>379335078
I STILL CAN'T BELIEVE THEY ACTUALLY DID THAT
MADMEN

>>379337305
Probably because everyone keeps killing them no one gives them shelter from. Everybody is so closed in Yevon's teachings that they won't even consider an alternative to the Pilgrimages

>>379333971
what was his name again?

>>379333971
Al bhed helped bring down sin Yevon was literally the final boss. Just like real life racists are always the villians.

>>379336624
AHHHH HA HA HA

If there were only two ps2 games you could recommend someone play that isnt on a PS2 top 10 list (i.e. not MGS,DMC,GOW,FF) what would they be?

>>379337580
God Hand and ace combat 0 but the trilogy of 4, 5 and 0 is recommended

>>379337406
The true main enemy of the game was that snake Al Bhed, Rin! Look that shit up. It continues in to X-2. He is basically a Jewish banker trying to control the world.

>>379337580
Gitaroo Man and Shinobi were some of my favorites

>>379337580
Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance 2

>>379337514

Yu Yevon was the final boss, Yevon was a monolithic religion that ruled the world but broke apart due mostly to Seymour's shenanigans.

>>379337580
Tenchu Wrath of Heaven

>>379337580
Kingdom Hearts 2 Final Mix and Mana Khemia 2

>>379337957
All the priests and shit were evil too though and they actively tried to stop the only people trying to save the world. Yunalesca was a cunt too.

>>379337957
Yevon was never going to last anyway. Remember, Yevon was never meant to actually kill Sin. It was only to give people a sense of hope so that they won't just lay down and die. It's basically there to keep the status quo forever with no change and total stagnation in thought and being. No one's allowed to think differently in too many people aren't allowed to be in one place at one time.

>>379336030
Wakka is the FFX equivalent of a backwater hick, he doesn't know shit about anything that's not Blitzball.

>>379338103
Cunt is too harsh. Really I would say the only character that was actively malevolent was Seymour. Everyone else was just people coming to grips with a world with no hope. There's no way to kill Sin and every day is a countdown until Sin kills you. So you just play the game as best you can until you die.

>>379338289
Cunt isn't too harsh. Someone says they want to try a different way. So you let them, worst case they die best case they win. Yunalesca tries to kill them because she can't fathom doing things any way other than her own. That's cunty.

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>>379335670
>>379335078
>>379334892
>>379334590
>>379334372
>>379334269

I love you guys

>>379338432
I only half agree with your point. Remember Yunalesca's motivation was to make sure everyone didn't die. Which meant teaching the entire world to stay placated so that fatalities due to Sin would be kept at a minimum. As far as she knew, killing sin was completely impossible. If everyone went up in arms to destroy Sin the only thing that would happen is they would all be killed themselves and Sin would start slaughtering groups of people wholesale. Which is what happened with operation mi'ihen.

>>379336030
>He literally should've known Yuna's connection to the Al Bhed before he even had a reason to hate the Al Bhed

Wakka... just stop... talking... thinking... existing...

>>379338838
What would be lost if the party of 6 people or whatever tried to kill Sin some other way. There were other summoners on the pilgrimage that would have made it eventually if tidus and co had failed. It's not like anyone really believed in them except the al bhed until they won.

>>379338103

But that's not really the case. They are shown to be corrupt and faltering, but not with any purely malicious intent short of Seymour. Its all about protecting their empire, which does include bringing the Calm and there are multiple groups of people out trying to do that. They fired on Home because they were outright stealing their Summoners. They sentence you to death on the charges of killing Seymour, which you did do (Though justifiably). There's a lot of political motivation that you can only classify as "evil" if "evil" is just something that obstructs the protagonist.

>>379338838
Nah, she has a vested interest in the whole scheme because her father was the ringleader and keeping it going would ensure her "immortality." She was there upon Sin's creation and the creation of fake Zanarkand. She would know how to defeat Sin.

>>379336030
>yuna has one al bhed eye
She has one green eye with a normal pupil, she basically just has heterochromia. It's not a giveaway at all.

>>379339067
Protecting the status quo when it's not working because you're scared of anything else is evil in my books. It's an understandable and maybe even relatable form of evil, but evil nonetheless.

>Set up some pilgrimage thing that people must go on to make the world a less-shitty place, if only for a couple years
>Only 4 people succeeded
>Over the course of a fucking thousand years

Maybe Yunalesca's plan wasn't so good after all.

>>379338432

I think its stated that unsent are not particularly able to change, as part of the motif of how Spira resists change.

But lets say I don't believe that amateur writing shit, and get to a more obvious reason. If Sin dies forever, Yunalesca has no reason to exist, and she seems like she rather likes existing.

>>379339000
I guess I do agree with that. But I still stand that yunalesca did take the first swing.

>>379339185
No, she and Lord Zeon only knew how to temporarily defeat it. The problem is that the feeding Sin doesn't solve the problem and always comes back. So in an effort to give people hope she supported the Pilgrimages. If Sin truly is eternal then at least giving people little breaks here and there would be worth something. Also Yunalesca is an unsent. Whether or not people visit her temple she's always going to stick around until someone sends her or she turns into a monster.

>>379339295
>The place this all goes down is in some forbidden land on the other side of a mountain
>It could take literally centuries before anyone realizes that maybe the Final Summon stopped being an option
>Leader of Yevon just fucks right off the moment he learned the scheme is ruined

I can't exactly recall, why didn't Sin attack the capital city with all its machines?

>>379339295
Weren't there like 6 high Summoners. Also there is another problem, the Calms were getting shorter. First calm with like a hundred years or something. Braska's calm was only like a year. Sin was becoming more dangerous the more time passed.

>>379339918
>Calms were getting shorter. First calm with like a hundred years or something. Braska's calm was only like a year. Sin was becoming more dangerous the more time passed.
source?

>>379339201

I think that's a fair point, and it certainly seemed like justification to do some "evil" things (Like keeping the technology of the people from advancing while having working escalators up in Bevelle, and Yuna's kangaroo trial). I just think its important to differentiate the corruption of leaders holding up their empire, knowing the widespread panic and destruction that could come from its collapse, and the evil of someone out to destroy out of maliciousness.

>>379339779
I don't think they ever gave a reason why Sin never attacked Bevelle. The only thing they say is that a little piece of the person used to make Sin sticks around and it affects the way Sin behaves. Jecht loved hearing the hymn of the fayth, so he hung around places where he could hear it.

>>379340163
that's a giant plot hole in an otherwise fairly taut story (for FF games anyway) and it always bothered me.

>>379339779

Sin has zero problem with Machina, that was a con job by Yevon to keep citizens in line.

Sin acts generally on impulse, with traits taken from the Final Aeon that makes him. For Jecht, these traits were loving the Hymn of the Fayth, and following Tidus.

>>379339992
the Ultimania

>>379340310
>Sin has zero problem with Machina
yea but that still doesn't explain why some towns are literally shacks and Bevelle was never attacked nor any explanation given as to how that was accomplished

>>379340478
Vegnagun, I guess.

>>379340305
10 is better than people give it credit for which is why that plot hole drives me insane every time I think about it.

>>379340574
Vegnagun's existence both irritates me and makes me laugh at the same time

>>379337580
God Hand and Shadow Hearts Covenant.

>>379340585
From my point of view 10 is my favorite Final Fantasy game plot holes and all. Everyone has that one game that hits them right in the feels. For me that's 10.

>>379340478
Because Sin is literally just doing what he wants. There is no reason to destroy Bevelle because it keeps the myth going.

>>379340478

Bevelle is in the air. Sin can fly but it seems to prefer ocean.

>>379339295
I think the time between calms had been reducing from centuries to years.

>>379341106
>Bevelle is in the air
no it isn't, but I can see why you'd think that.
>>379340952
>Because Sin is literally just doing what he wants. There is no reason to destroy Bevelle because it keeps the myth going.
that makes no sense

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>>379335078
They'd evacuated by that point.

>>379341341
If the new Sin takes on characteristics of the new "host" body, then all the Sins besides the original would've grown up thinking Bevelle is a holy place. Thus, why would they destroy it.

>>379337580
God Hand and Digital Devil Saga

>>379340952
The core problem with sin is that the guy piloting it has gone insane a thousand years ago. The original mission was for it to protect Dream Zanarkand. But now it just attacks everything at random. People aren't even allowed to gather in large groups anymore other than for Blitzball tournament. So the idea that 1,000 years have gone by and both Bevelle and Luca haven't been reduced to dirt is weird and off-putting. Because it makes you wonder why Sin is ignoring these two areas specifically

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Alright, what the fuck was his problem?

>>379341794
Being dead is awesome. So let me convince this teenager to turn me into Sin, so I can kill everyone, and we can all enjoy being dead. What this plan is stupid? Nah, you just haven't thought about it enough.

>>379341794
His cock was too big

>>379341794
you think his pubes are just as crazy as what he's rocking there?

>>379341794
So was his mother a final aeon?

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>>379341794
Typical nihilistic sociopath FF villian who got butthurt because try as he might, he couldn't become as androgynous as pic related. Therefore, fuck the world and everyone in it.

>>379336872
>Let it be a backup plan for some other summoner
The point was to end the final summoning though you fucking dolt, Yuna even says as much. It doesn't work; Sin always comes back and summoners are just dying on pilgrimages for nothing

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>>379336872
She wasn't going to let them leave and spread the word that the world religion was bs and killing Sin was pointless.

>>379341782
Didn't Tidus ask this? Didn't someone answer that the Crusaders protect those areas the most? They can't defeat Sin but they can drive it off or something like that

Do we really have to do anything? They stick to their island outside of blitzball season

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>>379342163
Yeah she's Anima.
You get unique dialog if you summon her during the fight against Omnis inside Sin.

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happy fireworks

>>379336962

There's also the fact that he sees the religious people he trusted slaughter the Al Bhed for the crime of existing that he realized that was the side he was on until now.

>>379337580
Champions of Norrath 1 and 2

>>379340310
>>379340478
>Sin has zero problem with Machina
Did you play the game? Sin was specifically directed to destroy towns when they got too advanced/populous. Why he avoids Bevelle/Luca is never really explained but it's made pretty clear that that part of Yevon wasn't a myth.

>>379342347
Aside from protecting Dream Zanarkand, Sin was also "programmed" to allow the existence of Bevelle and the machina there, as well as allow Luca and the Blitzball machina to exist. The idea was that the Yevon religion could prosper with a defended capitol, and Luca and blitzball gave the people enough hope to keep going.

Besides that, Sin destroyed any settlements that grew too much, so humans could never advance too far. Same reason it attacks machina: it's too much a useful tool of meaningful progress.

Yu Yevon's revenge on the world was to condemn it to the same 20 years of progress forever.

>>379336030
>>Yuna has one Al Bhed eye
Yuna's pupils are normal, she just has heterochromia and most people outside of the al bhed don't actually see what they look like outsdie of having blonde hair.

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You Al Bhed use the forbidden machina! You know what that means? Sin was born because people used machina!

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>>379342267
>Dan

>>379342804
You'll believe anything when it's programmed into your head from birth. And your parents head. And your parents parents head.

It's no surprise that the al bhed are to dispised. They may have some good movies but they go about it in such an asshole tier way without even bothering explaining themselves. Also Machina supposedly being the reason why sin appeared and they go around using it with no issues at all. Like, the first thing they did when they bumped into Rikku was point their guns at Tidus ready to shoot him.

>>379342752
>Sin was also "programmed" to allow the existence of Bevelle and the machina there
This makes no fucking sense considering Sin was summoned by a Zanarkand summoner during a war against Bevelle and promptly obliterated both cities

>>379342951
>They may have some good movies but they go about it in such an asshole tier way without even bothering explaining themselves.

Because any time they try they run into this
>you use machina, and that's bad
>why
>because the teachings say so

People compare them to muslims but really the yevonites are a lot closer to that considering how damn dogmatic they are.

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>wakka wanted to purge this

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>>379336504
Teedus is Trump. A blond-haired outsider, a little bewildered by his predicament and not the brightest of individuals, but he has a positive attitude and wants to do what's right even if it upsets the world order. He makes some mistakes along the way, but ultimately he defeats the destructive force (muslims), and the nutbar who thinks they can control the beast (Lefties), and ultimately, the parasitic organism that was controlling everything (da Jews)

>>379343130
Wakka wasn't even favor of purging, he just wanted them to go away. He was a lot closer to a segregationist.

>>379343012
This. That logic is problematic since the entire purpose of Sin was to protect dream zanarkand and utterly obliterate Bevelle and their machina. Sin should have wiped Bevelle off the map. But it hasn't.

>>379343012
Yu Yevon and Yunalesca conspired to create Sin and the final aeon as their revenge for Zanarkand losing the war with Bevelle. It wasn't something they summoned that went out of control, it was intended to destroy. Remember, the people of Zanarkand are one giant fayth wall of Gagazet that perpetually summon Dream Zanarkand.Exactly how willingly the people of Zanarkand went along with Yu Yevon's plan I don't recall (if they ever mention it), but by that point Zanarkand had lost.

Wouldn't surprise me if Sin destroyed Zanarkand just so Bevelle could tell the story of how Sin was the world's punishment for the war, having destroyed its home and now forever tormenting the world.

>>379335670
this fucking thread

>>379343075
But they don't actually communicate with anyone because they basically speak some desert slav language outside of a handful of people like Rikku, Cid, and Rin. None of the others know how to speak Spiran. They just go aruond doing assholing looking things and using machina so people basically see them as savages.

>>379342804
Wakka and Bender are played by the same guy, blew my mind

>>379342656

The fact that Bevelle uses machina extensively, and how there's "Yevon-approved" machina and shit like that, is supposed to tell you that Sin destroying machina because he doesn't like it is a load of garbage. Playing the game shows you that its a load of garbage, when Sin never attacks machina ever. When Operation Mi'han happens, they have a shit ton of machina but they use Sinspawn to draw Sin to them (Which Auron implies that he's coming for Tidus anyway).

When you learn the history of the war from Maechen, you learn that both sides had Machina and Sin was merely created as armor of Yu Yevon.

You, as a person capable of reading between lines, are supposed to come to the conclusion that "Sin is a punishment for using Machina" is hokey garbage.

>>379343231
That's what he publicly stated, but he seems pretty happy when he sees a dead al bhed.
His true feelings are to round them all up into camps.

>>379342804
>Sin goes around either destroying places to get its spawn back or just leveling places that get too advanced (Save for Bevelle and Luca)
>Sin was even born because MAchina reached a point where Bevelle was able to wipe Zanarkand off the map
>"MACHINA HATRED IS A LIE MACHINA IS GOOD"
You sound like one of those al Bhed shitters to me.

>>379343428
There's also home which was a machina city. Yevon might not know where it is but sin is everywhere and nothing was stopping it from blowing it up

>>379343428
>Sin is a punishment for using Machina" is hokey garbage
Riveting strawman. The official lore of the game is that Sin was directed to destroy settlements that were technologically advanced or populous. Sorry this disagrees with your headcanon but considering that it is explicitly stated in the fucking game you don't really have an argument.

>>379343591
>The official lore of the game is that Sin was directed to destroy settlements that were technologically advanced or populous.
That's because unlike summoning, advanced tech can actually permakill it.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Sin#Final_Fantasy_X

>>379343428
>When you learn the history of the war from Maechen, you learn that both sides had Machina and Sin was merely created as armor of Yu Yevon.
Wait, Zanarkand used War MAchina like Bevelle? If they did they how did they lose? I thought the game implied that they didn't really have stuff like that outside of machina for facilities like Blitzball and travel like cars or whatever. Tidus even talked about how Zanarkand was a really big place and it was known to be a machina city, but he even mentioned how fiends showedup, only a little, but when they did pop up it was a really big deal. If it had such advanced machina for war or self protection why would they get wiped out so easily? Why would fiends showing up even be a remote problem?

>>379343287
The only thing Bahamut really says is that Yu yevon was a scimitar without peer and that he sacrificed the entire city. So I think it was an unwilling thing. All of the people in the city are stuck in some kind of purgatory where they can never stop dreaming until someone kills Sin. Which no one can do because that entails killing sin which no one can do.

>>379343591
But Sin ISN'T a punishment for using machina. There's plenty of "Yevon-approved" machina in the game. Sin never attacks Luca or Bevelle. That's a lie they use to keep followers away from machina. Wakka even realizes that when they go to Bevelle (and meeting the Al Bhed at Home helped, too).

Widespread use of machina just makes settlements a more magnetizing target for Sin.

>>379343287
>It wasn't something they summoned that went out of control
That exactly what happens. Yu Yevon lost his mind and actually destroyed the real Zanarkand

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>>379343379
Don't forget me!

>>379342804
Shut up, robot

>>379343591

The person who says that is Yuna in the first quarter of the game, Yuna knows next-to-nothing about Sin's nature nor has she ever questioned teachings before Tidus comes along (She even says she never thought about why Machina are bad before he asks).

>>379343756
The Zanarkand Teedus knows is slightly different since Dream Zanarkand is out at sea where no one can get to it where the official Zanarkand is in the mountains.

>>379343774
>But Sin ISN'T a punishment for using machina
No one said that you fucking moron

>>379343379
ANYA, THEY'RE SINKING CITIES WITH A GIANT WORM!

>>379343774
I think people are getting a bit confused about machina here. The game implies that not all machina is bad. Even Wakka doesn't have an issue with Luca. The game as a whole implies that Machina for WAR was bad. Stuff like Luca's Blitzball stadium is fine, but Things like the Al Bhed war airship or the lightning towers for Operation Mi'hen are bad. Again, there are other examples. Like the Shoopuff rider saying that yes, he uses machina, but it's nothing but a simple elevator to get people onto the shoopuff. Then in contrast the group gets attacked by a giant machina war robot underwater.

>>379343898
It's the same Zanarkand. Dream Zanarkand is just an illusion but I don't think the game says it's any different.

>>379343756
I think the war was largely Bevelle using machina vs. Zanarkand using summoning and fayth, from what I recall. Even though both used machina, Bevelle had a major advantage in the machina department, which is why they were able to push Yu Yevon to such a desperate end.

>>379343769
Well, the people of Zanarkand are a giant fayth who's summon is Dream Zanarkand. Zanarkand had the knowledge of how to create fayth, and since Sin and Yu Yevon possess aeons to create Sin each time it is destroyed, and Yunalesca is there making new final aeons, it seems fairly obvious that it's probably intended to some extent. At the least, it was a final desperation move on Yu Yevon's part.

It's possible though that the revenge thing was more Yunalesca's thing, but then there's the part where Sin doesn't destroy Luca or Bevelle. That's what makes it difficult to reconcile with Sin being completely out of control and without direction.

>>379337580
Champions series and Dark Cloud 1 & 2

>>379344080
> then there's the part where Sin doesn't destroy Luca or Bevelle
According to what? Yuna says that the crusaders draw Sin away, and there's nothing to suggest that either city has ever been attacked. Luca isn't even that big

>>379344080
>That's what makes it difficult to reconcile with Sin being completely out of control and without direction.
Blitzball and Hymn of the faith. Jecht even mentioned how he was slowly losing his mind at the very end of the game. He could kind of control himself a little bit if things went right, but by the end he was losing it. If the group never happened Maybe sin would have attacked both things at one point.

>>379344265
has never* been attacked

>>379344080
I genuinely don't believe that yunalesca wasn't in on it. If getting revenge on Bevelle was the point all she had to do was let Sin destroy Bevelle and then destroy Sin. But Sin destroyed Bevelle's armies and then just kept going. She and Lord Zeon fucking died killing Sin the first time. Only for Sin to come right back. Yunalesca is very clear during her speech that her goal is to protect everyone's hope. And when Yuna refuses the Final Aeon she attacks. Not for being found out but for throwing away hope, and she offers to kill Yuna before she has a chance to drown in despair.

>>379334892
>They aren't Al Bhed

>>379342550
kaiokek

>>379344265
>>379344351
I don't understand how the Crusaders are even supposed to fight sin anyway. They're basically all just chocobo riders with swords.

>>379344572
The same could be said for Tidus' party sans Yuna.
>A FUCKING BALL

>>379344572
>Don't kill those people over there! Focus on killing us over here!

Also probably manipulating Sinspawn to steer Sin away from populated areas

>>379344572
Well Mihen showed that they can kinda lure it from place to place. I doubt they fight it so much as they just try to draw it away and then get annihilated.

Keep in mind the party holds their own against Sin with nothing but swords and magic and none of them are particularly gifted aside from Yuna. Obviously that's a gameplay consideration more than a lore thing but if Sin is just a beast it's not unreasonable to figure that the Crusaders could at least fuck with it a little bit.

>>379339779
I don't think it's canon, but I like to think it was because Evrae was there to make it fuck off.

>>379344794
Sin easily gets fucked in the ass by those Tesla shooting lightning towers.

>>379345010
Oh that might be true. I forgot about Evrae.

>>379341794
being a half-breed

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>>379337305
Like white trash down south?

>>379341794
His plan actually made sense. He wasn't really int he wrong if you know everything about Spira.

>>379337501
In their defense Al Bhed are assholes and nothing but but the pilgrimage seems to work against sin.

>>379345470
>If everyone is dead no one will suffer
I know that's based off of Shiva from Hinduism but it's still pretty dumb and I love X.

>>379345193
No he didn't. That electricity never even breached its shields. He tanked the hit for a little while and then ripped the machine in half and disintegrated all of the soldiers present. Then he just turned around and left. And that wasn't even effort. When Sin puts in effort he can even pull in Spira's moon towards him

>>379345535
>>379345470
Death in Spira doesn't seem to be anything more than a mild inconvenience, so Seymour wasn't all bad.

>>379345546
That was definitely a lot of effort. The exact same weapon from the airship blasts his fins off and rips a hole in him later on in the game. Also, if Sin could do that Mihen shit whenever he wanted we wouldn't even have a game since he would just obliterate anyone and anything on sight.

>>379345546
The tesla towers that they used on the ship did a lot of damage, and the towers at Mi'hen were working, sin just fought its way around them.

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FfX vs. FFX-2?
I played X-2 on the ps2 and had a blast, so that's what I'm playing first, but is ffX good enough to play as well, gameplay wise?

i can't tell if tidus was real or not. was he based off of a real person?

>>379345646
The Assault on the end of the game was a coordinated effort. Everyone in the world was singing the hymn in order to placate Sin. Because Jecht liked hearing it and became immobile while listening to it. They expressly sent people around the world to make all of Spiria sing in unison because if they didn't they would die immediately.

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>>379345762
>was he based off of a real person?
This guy.

>>379341590
They would have had to go to Bevelle for the temple, seen the machines, and realized their faith was built on a lie. Plot hole is still there.
>>379345010
The flying wimp that you off with little trouble and MAYBE a few missiles if you manage to keep the distance and timing? Nah.

>>379345762
Teedus was based off a real person, namely Shuyin. As for if he's real? He's about as real as any aeon you summon.

#NotAllAlBheds
The only thing to do about Al Bhed extremism is just to go on living like normal. Al Bhed-phobia WILL be punished severely.

>>379345727
you played the sequel first? Why? What draw does X-2 have that X doesn't?

Yes though, X is better than X-2

>>379345826
Okay? That doesn't change the fact that the weapons were effective against him and that the Operation Mihen shit is not routine. If he could do that whenever he wanted there wouldn't be a Spira left for the game to take place it, he would just annihilate every city. When he destroys Kilika for example he just causes a bunch of waves that wipe out the coast. It's pretty bad but he doesn't disintegrate the entire town

>>379341794
Literally mommy issues

>>379345832
>>379345913
so then that guy was jechts real son?

>>379337580
God Hand and Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne

>>379345913
So Jecht was in the same boat?

>>379345727
FFX is more of a rock paper scissors kind of game. Starts out pathetically easy but then the puzzles get kind of fun. Yunalesca was memorable because following conventional wisdom of healing status ailments can fuck you hard on that fight. But after that you find yourself getting overpowered quickly. But narratively it's WAY stronger that X-2. I like X-2. But it's story is kooky dooks.

>>379336362
So besaid is like the south

>>379346042
Tidus was Jecht's son. What are you all talking about?

>>379346152
okay so then jecht wasn't real?

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>>379341794
>everyone wants you dead because you are a mongrel
>father exiles you and your mother to a desolate temple in the middle of the ocean with absolutely fucking nothing and no hope of escape
>beloved mother kills herself against your wishes in order to become a grotesque monster
>tells you that the only way you will be accepted is if you kill yourself as well and destroy sin
Seymour's story is actually pretty tragic tb h

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>>379345963
I had my hands on x-2 for some reason, I wasn't about to roll up to my local GameStop for the first one so I just played that one. I've got the remaster so I'll just play x then
>>379346112
I just skipped through everything so I wouldn't know lel

>>379346212
of course he was. He was the sacrifice for the final summon to become sin blah blah blah. I think you misunderstood the game.

>>379346112
>FFX is more of a rock paper scissors kind of game.
Except for the boss fights, X's combat during bosses is some of the best and pretty challenging like this asshole.

>>379345762
Tidus was an aeon. He was real in the sense that he existed, but he wasn't a real person. He was summoned by Yu Yevon and the Fayth.

What's really weird is Jecht. So Sin is formed after an Aeon, and the Fayth wanted to stop dreaming because they were tired, but couldn't for some reason? I guess I don't really understand the Fayth's motives. If they stopped dreaming, Sin would have disappeared and only Yu Yevon would be left to fight.

>>379346019
Jecht mentions that the reason why he hasn't gone destroying the world entirely was because he was always holding himself back from the inside. Presumably other Sins were doing the same. You can hurt him while his defenses are down but the problem is that his defenses are never down. If it weren't for Jecht's influence the plan would never have worked and everyone would be dead. Which is what Auron was talking about, Spira's spiral of death would end with everyone gone were it not for the Summoners resetting the board.

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>>379346327
Forgot pic.

>>379345826
Did you forget how the hymn at the end didn't work and Sin just got pissed off when the party got nearby?

>>379346343
>>379346292
>tidus isnt real
>jecht is real
>jecht has a fake son
doesnt make any sense

>>379346396
>Presumably other Sins were doing the same
That makes no sense, since Jecht had barely a year before he began to lose his mild while the other Sins had hundreds of years

>>379346409

The thing about FFX bosses is that they were surprisingly weak to a few status moves, typically status are too weak to matter or the boss is immune to them. Bio wrecks seymour pretty hard, especially with that leach.

>>379346498
Jecht is a summoning like Tidus by Yu Yevon, he was based off a real person but we don't know who that is, it's also not important.

>>379346103
Yes. Dream Zanarkand and everyone living in it are all summoned by the corpses of the actual inhabitants of the actual Zanarkand. Everyone there is based off of memory of a person who used to live there. There's a guy who was a Blitzball star so one of the people who used to live in the real Zanarkand created someone similar in the dream version of Zanarkand.

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>>379335670
man, she is so ugly in HD Remake compared to the upscaled original

>>379346573
It's very important.
Jechts are very important.

>>379346543

There has been like 10 years since Jecht became sin, he still had some control, enough to pick Tidus and Auroun up from Dream Zanarkand.

>>379346212

Aight here's how I got it.

Dream Zanarkand is this constant summoning by the Fayth. Let's say that they cannot create brand new people, as its all based on memories, but DZ needs to have some form of real life consistency. So the people in DZ grow old, have children, and shit. Those children just have the traits of other memories superimposed upon them. Tidus obviously isn't a memory of Shuyin but he looks like Shuyin because when Jecht dream spermed into dream milf, the resulting baby got Shuyin's physical traits. In this way, Jecht and Tidus are unique individuals despite being pyrefly memories

>>379346498
Tidas and Jecht are both Aeons. They're real in the sense that they existed and had personalities, but they're fake in the sense that they're not real people, they're conjured up. All of Zanarkand was summoned by the Fayth. Jecht is Tidus' father in the sense that that's what the Fayth dreamed up.

It's not that fucking out there. Tidus, Jecht, and everyone else in Dream Zanarkand were dreamed up by the Fayth. Tidus and Jecht both leave Zanarkand, but because they're aeons, it's okay. They're as real as Ifrit or Bahumut.

>>379346597
>Everyone there is based off of memory of a person who used to live there. There's a guy who was a Blitzball star so one of the people who used to live in the real Zanarkand created someone similar in the dream version of Zanarkand.
Dunno how true this is. It seems more likely that the dream can organically evolve and develop after it has been summoned. How else do you explain people having children or building shit that didn't exist before

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How did Jecht get to Spira in the first place again?

>>379346730
He rode Sin or something.

>>379346543
Did they?
Sin kept getting "reset" whenever the final aeon was used. The game never gives a hard number of how long they let Sin roam to when a summoner uses the final aeon. Perhaps every time they beat Sin within the year (after the 10 year calm)

>>379346498
Jecht is a summon. Just like Titus. Jecht ended up in Spira because he got on a boat and went out to sea during a storm. And the storm landed him in mainland Spira away from Dream Zanarkand. Everyone in Dream Zanarkand assumed he died at sea or just went missing.

>>379346671
dude there were only three other high summoners over 1000 years of sin. so what, jecht takes 10 years to lose control but the other final aeons took hundreds? that makes no sense. what's more likely is that he can't vaporize people constantly without using a ton of power, and that he only did that as a demonstration for tidus.

>>379346775
Raw?

>>379346730

He was training out at sea, probably drifted out to sea and ended up in spira.

>>379346730
Tidus' Zanarkand isn't from 1000 years prior. It actually exists in Spira and Sin can physically go there and the people there can leave. The game just said he was lost at sea or something, Sin never attacked Dream Spira until the intro with Tidus.

>>379346814
Braska, Jecht, and Auron seemed more skeptical of Lady Yunalesca than previous Summoners. I think other summoners were more willing to just go with it because they wanted to be heroes of Spira, and didn't comprehend the consequences.

>>379346795
>Guado
I'm pretty sure nobody ahtes the Guado. the only hated race in Spira are the Al Bhed.

>>379346792
It's been 1000 years since Zanarkand was destroyed by Sin, and there have only been four High Summoners in FFX not counting Yuna and Yunalesca. Braska was ten years ago, so that leaves 990 years for the other three summoners. You could make the argument that Sin just stayed dead for those years and then they immediately killed it when it respawned, but that doesn't explain the derelict state of the world or why everyone is so scared shitless of Sin.

>>379346993
>Seymour kills almost all the Ronso
>No one hates the Guado
Kek

>>379346792

There is only 5 high summoners, Yunalesca, Gandof, Ohalland, Yocun and Braska.

>>379346993
I hated the guado, freaky ass fucks.

Also that creepy Seymour music the first time you go to their city. Fuckin creeps

>>379346814
>>379346998
Are you sure there were only 3-4 high summoners? Or is it only 4 high summoners that the game talks abut.

>>379346993
Everyone hates them in FFX-2 because of Seymour

>>379347083
Oh really? I didn't play X-2 because it was trash.

>>379347083
>>379347056
Remember the motto
Don't trust a Guado

FFX seriously had the most convoluted plot of the FF games. Even the MMOs make more sense.

>>379346982
They probably did it for the same reason Braska did it. We don't like this solution, it's terrible, but we have no other choice. The difference with Jecht is that he had a son that knew nothing of Spira's customs. He would question everything which would lead Yuna questioning Yevons teachings for the first time, the Al Bhed uniting with the Yevonites, and the first true step forward in society in 1000 years.

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>>379347167
Delete this.

>>379347082
There's only ever been four. It's implied that Sin stayed dead for a while the first few times but got progressively better at reconstituting itself

>>379347167
Trust an Al Bhed
You'll wind up real dead

>>379347197
VIII is much more convoluted with the orphanage shit.

>>379346814

Jecht still had some control, even after 10 years. Sin isn't some being designed to kill everyone. He has 1 programed goal, defend Zanarkand.

When he isn't defending Zankarkand, its literally a mindless beast. The issue is when and where will Sin attack, its why there isn't any big cities because they can't form and it depends on the whims of a mindless summoner.

I think it can be theorized that the Calm is just when the final aeon has the most control and chooses to not attack people, but slowly and steadily loses its mind over the coming years.

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>>379347197
>FFX seriously had the most convoluted plot of the FF games.
Literally no one understands the plot to this game.

>>379347197
The actual plot is very simple. It's just a lure that gets all muddled because the details weren't really looked at period but that's with any Final Fantasy game really. As long as the broad strokes make sense it's fine.

>>379347274
There was an VIII?
I don't remember it.

>>379347291
The calm is when Sin is too weak to attack. Most of what you're saying is just headcanon and you're not actually addressing that guy's argument anyways. Jecht flat out says at the end of the game that he's almost completely lost control, so if it only took 10 years for him why the fuck would it take hundreds for the other final aeons?

>>379347204
I think the real difference is Auron. He prepped everybody to think a little differently and be more skeptical and go about things the right way.

That's why I love the confrontation with Lady Yunalesca so much. Auron is the only person that realizes it, but it's such a significant moment. It's the first time ever in Spira that someone questioned and outright refused Lady Yunalesca and the cycle was broken.

>>379347307
Square just needs to retcon "Squall is dead" into the actual canon. It makes far more sense than the actual plot.

>>379347445
>It's the first time ever in Spira that someone questioned and outright refused Lady Yunalesca
Dunno about that, considering she just killed Auron after he confronted her and tried to kill the party once they learned the truth. Other people have probably called her out on her bullshit as well but she's clearly quite powerful

>>379347363
I remember everything.
>tfw no GF

>>379347363
>tfw no GF

>>379340310
Jecht really did do nothing wrong apart from being a shitty dad.

>>379347445
I think Tidus, Yuna, and Auron were all critical to breaking the cycle. You can't take away one of those characters and still have seen truly defeated. Well Rikku as well.

>>379347250
>got progressively better at reconstituting itself
Maybe that had something to do with Yu Yevon's gradual decay too. Perhaps at first he was controlling it's regeneration, keeping it a gradual thing just to scare the shit out of people every few hundred years, but as he lost more of himself and Sin became more reliant on instinct it just sort of forgot about waiting and remade itself faster.

>>379347307
>>379347497
The Rinoa is Ultimecia theory actually ties things up pretty neatly, and adds a lot of depth to Ultimecia.

I think the biggest problem is that her motives aren't really clear, and she's not really explored as a character. Maybe that's a good thing, maybe we don't need to know everything about our villains, it makes things a little more realistic in that sense I suppose.

>>379347564
I meant more in reference to the cycle being broken. Once Braska chose Jecht, Auron was effectively out of the picture in the grand scheme of things (until Yuna went on her pilgrimage, of course)

>>379347589
Maybe Tidus should have been a better son

>>379347612
I think it's implied that he lost his mind immediately after creating Sin, considering the first thing Sin did was destroy the real Zanarkand

>>379347589
Jecht wasn't a shitty dad, Tidus' mom was shitty. Why don't people acknowledge this?

>>379347589
At least Jecht seemed to have a begrudging love of his Son
Tidus's mom literally died right in front of him because "She had nothing to live for"

>>379347664
Go away Jecht

>>379347413

I'm not saying it takes hundreds, I am saying Sin is just mindless. Jecht tries to stop destructive impluses, but it doesn't really matter with Sin, it can be docile or it can decide to fuck up a village.

A lot of Sins destruction is just him existing, he radiates toxic, fiends spawn off and in him, likes to frolic in the ocean so it creates tidal waves. Sin doesn't really ever attack unless it was attacked first, the only time it did was when it showed off its graviton attack, but there are many interpretations on why it did that.

>>379347564

Seymour never did the Final Summoning but he was definitely there and that's where Anima was created. Wonder how he even got outta there.

>>379347741
Go try to steal my techniques more you little faggot

>>379347760
>Sin doesn't really ever attack unless it was attacked first
Killika got wiped off the map and last time I checked, they didn't do shit to Sin. People need to stop coming up with head canon.

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>>379347837
You can't do it kid, I'm the best!

>>379347802
You answered your own question. He has Anima, one of the few aeons more powerful than Bahamut.

>>379347802
I don't think Anima counts as a final aeon, she's probably just a regular aeon that was created in Zanarkand. Otherwise she would kill Seymour/Yuna when they summone her according to the game. Who the fuck knows though

>>379347931
>I don't think Anima counts as a final aeon
Why not?

>>379347849

Where did sin attack? Almost all the destruction was because of a tidal wave that hit the village. The tidal wave was caused by Sin just swimming in the ocean.

Its a flying natural disaster.

>>379347868
>Tfw Jecht is better than Tidus in every way and Tidus will never surpass him.
We need him back in Dissidia already.

>>379347868
Jecht is so fucking cool.
Why couldn't X-2 have been about the cool bro group and not the shitty gullwings

>>379347972
Because a final aeon needs to "kill" sin

>>379347972
Because the final aeon kills the summoner that summons it, and there's probably some special shit you have to do to get it strong enough to defeat Sin. Anima clearly isn't capable of that, gameplay aside

>>379347931

Aeons strengths are created between the bond between summoner and guardian, the bond between them had been fractured so the Aeon was no longer powerful enough to kill Seymour but it was no longer powerful enough to kill sin either.

>>379348013
It literally sucks the whole village into a vortex with its gravity magic. Watch the cutscene again dumbass

>>379348042
You didn't like the gripping story of solving Civil War with conflicting ideologies via a teenager in hot pants throwing a pop concert?

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>>379347868
>Game tries to get you to empathize with Tidus and hate Jecht
>Game fails horribly because Tidus is a crying baby and Jecht's coolness transcends that shit

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Name a worse overall (usefulness, character, storyline) playable mainline Final Fantasy character.

Hard Mode: No Snow Allowed

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>>379348042
>YFW X-3 is announced at E3

>>379348176
Cait Sith

>>379348187
God forbid. X-2.5 was the worst thing ever written by a human

>>379348253
Is that where Tidus dies via exploding blitzball?

>>379347931
>Otherwise she would kill Seymour/Yuna when they summone her according to the game.
Unless it's not the act of summoning that does it, but the Final Aeon itself killing the summoner once Yu Yevon possesses it to use it as the basis of his next Sin.

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>>379348253
>This is 100% canon and there's nothing we can do about it
Square ruined both the VII and X universes by extending them, in fact it's canon that they're even linked and that Shinra from X-2 founded Shinra Inc. from VII.

>>379348176
>gets completely trashed over and over again
>still acts like the silent badass

Salamander a shit.

>>379348013
Did you miss the part where Sin Swims up to Kilika and starts sending all of it into the sky?

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>>379347868
Jechts sword is the most under rated FF weapon.

>>379335078
it was a different time.................

>>379348187
I'd be okay with a prequel following the trio.

Would be neat to see Jecht's transformation from an alcoholic violent dude into a badass warrior, and see tsundere Auron and all of that.

>>379348321
I guess, but Jecht deliberately avoids killing Tidus ten years later when he clearly has less control over Sin, so it seems odd that he would kill Braska on the spot

>>379336030

Religions a hell of a drug.

>>379341551
>CapriSun laughing hysterically

>>379346343
yu yevon had gone mad and had become a pure summoning entity. he HAD to simmon sin, since nobody killed yu, yu kept summoning, that's what yuna did different. killed yu, not sin, and broken the summon.

>>379347849

I agree with you in the argument but then I'm gonna whirl off into what you'd call a different headcanon

Kilika got wiped off the map because Sin was following Tidus. Sin shows up at Operation Mi'han because Tidus is there. Sin came to Dream Zanarkand to get Tidus. Sin hit the Al Bhed boat because they had taken Tidus aboard. Underneath Lake Macalania? Fucking Sin, hanging out, listening to music while watching over his boy.

This is always implied with the "Sin comes for its spawn" line, and the "He came to see you" line but since its all implication you can argue its headcanon. I think you'd be wrong, but at least you wouldn't be coming up with insane theories for why Sin did some shit or other. It amazes me that people don't understand that Jecht was following Tidus.

>>379348428
I see it more as Yu Yevon forcing the last link to break.
Less of the Final Aeon killing the summoner and more of "Yu Yevon literally forced my hand"

>>379345535
But dying in Spira is hardly a big deal if people just become "unsent".

>>379348319
>>379348362
Yes. Also you know realizes that she's this super powerful super special person who pretty much has godlike abilities to create anything with pyreflies. Except she can't do it as well as the fayth can, so when she recreates Teedus he's all weird and hollow and they end up breaking up. Also Sin is back because fuck you.

>>379348362
The plethora of VII's spinoffs still didn't manage to cause the amount of damage X-2.5 did single handedly.

>>379348538
>Underneath Lake Macalania?
Alright how the fuck did they go from Macalania Lake to Bikanel Desert again?

>>379348565
It is a big deal since unsend are very resilient to change and they turn into monsters after a while.

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>>379348643
Sin ;)

>>379348176
Edward

>>379348586
>Tidus becomes an even more unsent unsent
>if he ever learns he just fucking disappears forever
>Yuna is a cunt who will tell him eventually

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>>379348565
>Not following the teachings of Yevon

>>379348565
you do realize the unsent are the games monsters, right?

>>379348643
That town they were on was Sin. When you fight Sin you see those buildings, that's where they were under Macalania Lake.

>>379346691
The point I was trying to make, and I dunno where most of this shit came from about fake Tidus, was that they WERE alive at one point, so was Zanarkand. The Fayth summoned them up as a memory, not as just something they made up out of thin air.

I'm still hazy as to how the timeline worked though. The more I think the more plot holes there are.

>>379348705
..... he dies in the story. twice if you include the novel.

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>>379348417
>Jecht gets into a boss battle with the Shoopuf.

>>379348586
I hope they extend the FFX universe indefinitely so they can keep bringing Tidus back from the dead just to kill him in wackier and wackier ways. He should get crushed by a falling anvil or run over by a steamroller in FFX-3.

>>379348769
Zanarkand for the most part is made up of memories, but exact people I don't think so. There's a guy in the original Zanarkand that looked like Tidus, but I don't think Tidus was based off him in any way other than looks. For the most part, the people of Zanarkand are original, only based off citizens in superficial ways.

>>379348538
But Sin was already on its way to Kilika. It's not like Tidus got there first then sin showed up and destroyed the place. Did you miss the part where Sin even started dragging the ship while it made a B-Line for Kilika? Also if Sin was following Tidus Everywhere like you said he was, Why didn't he attack Luca when Tidus was there? What about Bevelle (Evrae died by that point so you can't use that argument)? No one if denying that Sin follows Tidus around every one in a while, but sin does just go around destroying stuff. This is a fact. Also Sin ended up in Mi'Hen because of all the sinspawn there, whether or not he went there for Tidus is unknown because the game states that sin goes around collecting Spawn that falls off of it and there were a lot at the Mi'Hem highroad.

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>>379348840
>Tutorial boss is Tidus' mom

>>379348732
Or so says Yuna and her Yevon bullshit. Maybe you have just been killing off Spira's wildlife your 40 hours.

>>379348672
>they turn into monsters after a while
Only those that become consumed by their emotions. Maechen was a 1,000 year old unsent, and he didn't turn into a fiend. Though admittedly, he did have brain problems due to having over 1,000 years of memories.

On a related note; I love the fiend stories in X-2's monster capture mini-game.

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>tfw Final Fantasy X threads are always comfy

Thanks bros

>>379348732
Not all of them. People with actual will like the higher ups of Yevon just turn into physical ghosts. People who die with regrets turn into fiends.

>>379348769
Tidus is based on a real person but he's not an exact copy of that person. The person Tidus was based off of died when he tried to save his girlfriend. Tidus has similarities to him in that he's an athlete and they have similar fighting styles but that's about as far as that goes. Tidus is effectively an aeon. A dream of the fayth. Which is why when the aeons go, he goes too.

>>379348810
He comes back in the novel as a weird Yuna creation
Then dies
Then becomes a super unsent

>>379348891
yea but where are you getting that from? The game is pretty explicit that Tidus and Jecht are son and father, there are memories given, background etc. etc. The Fayth conjuring them as a Summon, something that used to be, is far more likely than the Fayth making shit up based on "ehh, close enough"

>>379341794

>Fucked up family life
>Social pariah due to being half tree
>In on the conspiracy
>Death means nothing when you literally know what the afterlife holds
>Magic is real and Aeons/Sin are known to be eternal

Take your pick, better yet mix and match. He's a grab bag of motivations.

>>379349010
>Which is why when the aeons go, he goes too.
He could still be a summon of the real person, like the entire game implies. Maybe not THE person, but an exact summon copy.

>>379349101
>better yet mix
That's what his parents did.

>>379349070
Because Shuyin exists and is only like Tidus superficially

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Shuyin

>>379343130

Wakka has a black mage tit monster, he was set for life.

>>379349154
Except for, you know, that whole part where bahamut tells him he's just made by the Fayth being fed up with Yu's shit.

>>379349070
>>379349154
Dream Zanarkand has been around for 1000 years though. If they're all perfect memories than no one could ever die, be born, go to Spira, whatever. It seems more likely that they just dreamed Zanarkand as they remembered it, and the dreams are semi-real and autonomous and the city has developed ever since. Either that or its stuck in an infinite loop that resets at one point which doesn't make much sense either unless there's a Jecht and tidos that come to Spira every so often

>>379342267

>Dan

You're one of those people huh?

>>379343130
>not wanting to purge all the sand slavs

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>>379349302
>ey brudda, why are you kissing Lulu

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>>379342267
>Dan

>>379349484
daily reminder that wakka is LITERALLY a cuck. lulu wanted chappu and no one could ever take his place

>>379344794

Tidus is what lured sin in to Mihen, them using sin-spawn was essentially a coincidence. It was following him and does throughout the entire game.

>>379349228
>http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Shuyin
yea I realize that but I think that was just cheap BS on the part of the writers to drag the emotions of the players into a sequel that nobody really wanted or needed.
>>379349228
>is only like Tidus superficially
so over a thousand or so years 2 similar looking people won't exist?

I get your point but that doesn't really clear up X anymore by brining in X-2. It actually cheapens X in my mind and reuses concepts with different names. Like Force Awakens.

>>379349569
Then why did she marry Wakka and have a child with him?

>>379349484
>whadda ya mean ya gave away my sword to a stranger
>you'd really radda fight wit a ball than ya own brudda's sword?

>>379349569
Seems to me he is cucking his dead brother, you faggot

>>379349569
I'm pretty sure Tidus would have fucked her if he tried.

>>379349617
Because no other man would have her.

>>379349586
>It actually cheapens X in my mind and reuses concepts with different names

I disagree. I think the other way cheapens the character of Tidus and his overall impact on the story. He's his own person, he's not somebody else. He's not a clone of someone else, and he's not a specific memory of someone else. He's Tidus, and all of his personality traits are his own, he didn't inherit them from anyone.

>>379342267

Does Square have an official pronunciation for Dan?

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>>379349617
If she has a child with a Chappu family blood, it might look like Chappu

>>379349695
Lulu is a cunt with really specific standards. I doubt anyone else could have had her.

>>379349740
Dah-new

>>379349761
You'd think she would have at least married a good blitzball player.

>>379346112

X offers some damn good strategy outside of regular enemy encounters.

It's like chess, you know who's turn it's going to be and you're trying to think a several moves in advance and strategize against whatever buffs the bosses have.

Outside of special bosses in that european edition or whatever the fuck it was, very few bosses fights were based on them having ridiculous health, it was rooted in finding their weakness and using their buffs against them.

>>379349754
>Lulu is literally Morrigan and begins molesting her son every night

>>379349403
so where did the real Jecht come from? The 1000 year old Zanarkand or the Fayth? Fayth dream doesn't make sense because that entangles all kinds of shit that just can't be rectified. So Jecht had to be from Zanarkand and was real. He reacted to Tidus as you would expect by their relationship as developed in the game. So where did that Tidus come from?

FFX reads like someone wrote a complex long story and wrote every part of it well, but took long breaks between writing sessions and forgot what they wrote previously.

>>379349740
Day-nuh.
To fit with the whole sun and moon theme.
Because the sun is out in the day.

>>379349836

She married a guy who won the Cup!

She did marry a guy who won the Cup, right anon?

>>379349569
>fucks brothers gf
>puts baby in brother's gf
... anon do you know what a cuck is?

>>379346327

Anyone else just keep their aeons in overcharge constantly in case a boss turned up? I remember getting so fucked over my first playthrough trying to figure out what exploits the bosses were using and how to counter them that I relied on just blasting their ass with every aeon available in the hopes that it could buy me enough time to work it all out.

>>379349727
I think you miss what I meant. I mean the tidus in X is the Tidus from history, just summoned. Not a copy or anything like that. Pretty sure Auron mentions time being flexible for Sin and that bringing Tidus to their time isn't beyond it's powers.

>>379346881

This is the best thread on /v/ in forever.

>>379349876
Their power is used to summon the city and its inhabitants based on their memories. Then the city just chugged along irrespective of what happened in the actual Zanarkand. Think of it like the matrix.

Anyways, the people in dream zanarkand are just as real as anyone else, they just depend on the fayth to exist. Same as the aeons

>>379349951
You mean a guy who got carried to the cup by the LeBron of blitzball falling into his lap?

>>379350007
he can't. he doesn't. he pulled tidus from dream zanarkand

>>379350097
Wakka is actually better than Tidus in that tournament though, Jecht Shot notwithstanding.

>>379350097
What? Tidus did shit during the tournament. He got boo'd out of the Arena then Wakka had to come in.

>>379350007
>time being flexible for Sin and that bringing Tidus to their time isn't beyond it's powers.
What do you mean?
There is no time travel in X unless I'm misunderstanding what you saying.

>>379349876

There is no real Jecht, there is no real Tidus.

Dream Jecht came from the dream sperm of his dream father, as did his dream father before him. Dream Zanarkand operating just like any other place in the world, is the only thing that makes sense given we know they have families and perceive time. Its pyreflies recreating regular life.

>>379348538
>Kilika got wiped off the map because Sin was following Tidus.

Kilika was already kill before Tidus and company arrived though.

Also, I unironically think that Yuna's Sending of the Kilika Fayth was one of the most beautiful, ethereal and heart wrenching scenes in FF-X

>>379350007
>time flexible

Please tell me you don't think the game time travel. I really don't feel like pulling up that scene for the umpteenth time to illustrate how time travel never happened.

>>379337580
Rygar The Legendary Adventure (basically the original God of War)
Mark of Kri (Hidden gem)

>>379349951
N-not in my game :(

>>379350214
I'd have to find the dialogue but I'm almost positive Auron said something along the lines of Sin not being limited by time or place.

>>379350240
>in FFX
I haven't played a game at all that surpassed it

>>379349951
After I took Wakka out of retirement he did :^)

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>>379350097

>Lebron of blitzball

Tidus is the son of a pro blitzer who specializes in scoring only, particularly long-distance shots. Tidus is Curry.

>>379347197

>VII an alien has been reborn through genetic engineering and is now reborn through genome soldiers and has a silver haired avatar clone baby who is using ancient powers to call a meteor and destroy all life on the planet. Companions include a talking wolf/dog, robot cat, and vampire.

>VIII time twisting bullshit, flying schools, saving the world from a witch causing a singularity that collapses space-time into a single instance for close to no reason at all

>IX I don't even fucking remember

>X A giant monster is fucking things up. There's a conspiracy within those in power to allow it to keep fucking things up because it's convenient. You fuck them up by killing it forever.

So the sense I'm getting is that the Fayth created or re-created Zanarkand and Sin has been pulling people from that fake place? Except what about Yuna's dad? How long has Zanarkand be existent? Why did the Fayth suddenly choose to do so after so long?

That really creates more plot holes than the original non-answer answers the plot tried to give.

>>379347664

Maybe if he wasn't cockblocking his dad and crying like a bitch all the time Jecht would love him.

>>379350494
which basketball player is well known for scoring one basket and then holding the ball and hiding behind his own basket until time runs out?

>>379349897
Loo-tennunt Dayun?

>>379350565
Dream Zanarkand is a real place in the middle of the ocean. Sin didn't pull anyone from there; Jecht found his way to Spira by accident some how, became Sin, and then went back to get Tidus. Dream Zanarkand has been around for 1000 years. The reason Yuna's group was able to defeat Sin once and for all was because Tidus had a connection with Jecht that allowed them to fight it in the first place

>>379350240
I like the scene at the lake. Not for the kiss though for the scene just before that. Yuna has just been betrayed by everyone she ever stood for. At this point the entire world hates her. Tidus gives her an out

>Let's go to my Zanarkand! Let's play Blitzball and enjoy life together
>I can't...I just can't

At that point I understood Yuna. She has no investment in herself whatsoever. She's giving herself entirely to the happiness of everyone else except herself. Which is why she was willing to marry Seymour when she thought he was good and was willing to try and send Seymour by herself when she found out he was evil. The yevon church might have betrayed her but she still believes in giving herself, and she's going to stand on her beliefs no matter what. There's a lot of people trying hard to make strong female protagonists but you got to admit it takes some balls to keep moving forward even though you have nothing to gain from it and everything to lose. Yuna never became a super badass like Auron but that girl has some willpower and that can be respected.

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>be a stalwart protector of my village
>always teach and educate my people
>warn them of the Al Bhed who have given us strife for generations
>new friends come along
>quest to save the world
>warn them of the Al Bhed
>machina scum attacks us
>almost kills us all
>we let an Al Bhed into our ranks
>allow after much argument and reluctance
>gain trust with the girl
>machina raze and entire village to the ground and slaughter everyone
Never should've trusted those shifty Al Bhed fucks for a second.

>>379350565
Only Teedus and Big Dick Cool Guy came from dream Zanarkand.
It's been around for a long time.
They got tired of living

>>379350565

Yuna's dad is Braska. He's a person in Spira.

Dream Zanarkand has existed for 1000 years.

Sin didn't really make a habit out of pulling people out of Dream Zanarkand, nor do I think the Fayth are said to have done it either. Jecht's journey is never explained, it seems like a freak accident and is probably my biggest problem with the story. JechtSin specifically goes back for Tidus, but how Auron gets to Dream Zanarkand also is something I don't know.

>>379350401
When Yuna sends Auron is better.

>>379350360
You're referring to the scene where he told Tidus he was an unsent after Yunalesca's fight. And that he was able to ride Sin to Tidus's Zanarkand. But he never said he went to the past and Bahamut broke down how Dream Zanarkand worked a few scenes earlier on Gagazet

>>379350727
>Yuna never became a super badass like Auron but that girl has some willpower and that can be respected.

She also seemed to make a better BLM than Lulu, at least in my play through.

>huge mana reserves
>huge spellpower

>>379350832
>Auron gets to Dream Zanarkand also is something I don't know.
Sin takes him there. Auron is already dead at this point so there probably aren't any travel hazards

>>379349569

He wasn't a cuck he was riding in his brothers wake. If anything he was cucking his brother in the farplane.

It's a great thing souls on the farplane can't interact, because Chappu would have been fucking pissed.

>>379350832
>how Auron gets to Dream Zanarkand also is something I don't know.
Auron is made of pyreflies so can he travel on Sin. I don't think it's ever explained how exactly that works though

>>379350909
That's cause Lulu's grid has like no magic nodes. It's all mana, mdef and evasion for some reason

>>379350240

I mean, it is the scene the logo was based off. I agree, it was pretty much the moment I realized that FFX was amazing.