Overwatch will never ever compare to TF2.

Yeah because it's so much better

You're right, the active player count are too big a difference to compare

>>379294841
fpbp

>>379294841
Came here to post this. OW characters have so much more unique abilities than their TF2 counterparts.

>>379294871
>Active player count for a game released in 2016 is higher than a game released in 2007
shocking

OW today is at the level TF2 was at least 5 years into it's lifespan.

TF2 is almost 32 years old, i I say give ow some time to find is footing just like TF2 had to do when it came out.

>>379294463
TF2 has shittier characters and gameplay

>>379294841
This

>>379294463
Overwatch is better

>>379294841
Fpbp

>>379294463
yeah, it's not Valveshit faggotry.

it's much, much better.

>>379296763
Do you havea single fact to back that up?

>>379296848
Yeah it's blizzardshit faggotry, what a relief

>neo-/v/ never played TF2 in its hay days.

Times have changed.

>TF2
One of the greatest video games of all time.

>Overwatch
A fad.

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>>379294463
Which is why Valve will finally get around to making Team Fortress 3.

>>379294463

Overwatch is not as good as TF2 in its prime.

Overwatch is better than the soullest husk of TF2 as it is now.

>>379295939
There are 2 decade old games that have higher playerbase then some new games

>>379296954
>Valvebronies actually believe this

l m f a o

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>>379295859
Translation: "I need ults that I get for free and let me kill and feel skilled without having to aim and shit."

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>>379294841
TF2 FAGS BTFO

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>>379296763
>shittier characters
Ovewatch characters are lifeless husks compared to the TF2 Mercs.
>gameplay
Doubt you ever played it.

>>379296975


doubt it, since its pretty hard to make an improvement over TF2 character-wise

>>379297207
Mad faggot that got blown up by an ult despite having the tools to avoid it and counter it with your own

None of this matters anymore anyway, valve doesn't make games anymore.

As someone who still plays both from time to time, they're good for their own reasons. Both play rather differently, TF2 is a lot more laid back and generally easier to dominate in. Overwatch feels perhaps a bit more hectic, but it's harder to carry teams.

>>379297709
Buy the compendium faggot

>>379297193
Overwatch matchmaking is already way slower than TF2, blizzbaby. I wonder why Blizzard only brags about created accounts and never about active players :)

>>379295859
Overwatch replaces the skill of TF2 with hardcounters, basically.

In Overwatch there are heroes that just dont have the tools to deal with other heroes.

In TF2 you could always whip out your secondary, and you could always overcome class differences with skill.

>>379297207
>what is ubercharge

>>379297207
9/10 ults can be avoided entirely though, hell half of its used are for zoning more then anything else. Why do they matter again?

>>379298196
>lose all charge on death

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>>379297256
>lifeless husks
Looks pretty lively to me

>>379294463
TF2 was a good game fucked up by Valve.

>>379298076
Is it though anon? Is it?

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Why are these two games even compared to eachother when they're so vastly different? Team Fortress 2 actually had gameplay that was true to the name - the whole "fortress" aspect where enemies had bases. TF2 had alot of good maps but after years of playing it I will never not associate the game with 2 Fort. The pacing was alot slower, you had to pay attention to ammo, there were no super cheese ultimates, TF2 had a weapon system that let you switch up your loadout to change the character class you were playing as. Overwatch has literally none of these, the only similarity is it's team versus team combat. Mercy is kinda like the Medic, I guess.

Comparing Overwatch to TF2 is pointless because they have nothing in common.

>>379298474
It actually is, no joke.

>>379294841
First post best post.

>>379294841
Explain to me why Overwatch players are eternally salty. TF2 players also get pretty salty, but most won't harass a newbie player for sucking until they quit playing.

>>379298556
I guess I'll just take your word for that ;)

>>379298651
I can't tell if this is supposed to be ironic or just massive shitter projection.

>>379298196
At least in ubercharges you have to work for it, and if you die you lose everything

In Overwatch it fills up by itself, and you still have it after dying

>>379298076

Because you have to buy the game to use the game on your account.

Blizzard has sold 30 million copies from all 3 platforms.

I'm curious what the peak number of TF2 players was and if it even comes close to 30 million.

>>379298651
Because Overwatch players take the game seriously unlike Tf2 where you're a friendly hoovy and dont want the enemy team to cap because its your favorite map and you want to rocket jump :(
also you guys harass f2ps a large chunk of your community

>>379294463
But anon, it gets compared to TF2 all the time

>>379298904
When TF2 came out, the entire industry wasn't even a quarter of what it is today.

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>>379294463
Overwatch will never have a intro like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PkKG608tOM

>>379298076

To be fair here TF2 just pairs you up with pretty much anyone, I played about 30 or so games through the matchmaking awhile back and completely won them all besides one because everyone was so shitty, not really surprising though, TF2's playerbase has been garbage at the game for many years now.

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>>379294841
GET REKT TF2 BABIES HAHAHA

>>379298997

Yes it was, why isn't your game as big as mine? Because it sucks and you should feel bad.

>>379294841

tf2 fags rides on nostalgia

>remaking a 4chan reaction image with a tf2 character
the 'tism, folks

>>379294463
>you will never again play during the Goldrush update

AAAHHHHHHH

baka

>>379299159
>You will never again play pre-hats and pre-Mannconomy

>>379299115
>yes it was
False.

>mine
Fucking lmao

>All these non TFC fags

Fucking hell, TF2 was fucking trash at launch. It was so shallow compared to the games it was claiming to be the sequel to.

>>379298193
ok no, now this is b8
Having a secondary that counters a class is in no way skill and is even more cancerous in Overwatch since it makes game flow inconsistent

>>379298193
Or you play scout and cry until things are nerfed for you.

>>379299005
>OW will never have a soundtrack as good as TF2
>or a side comic that is memorable outside of confirming characters as homos
>or animated shorts that aren't generic attempts of ripping off pixar movies
>or characters with any personality beyond shitty saturday morning cartoon cutouts meant to sell toys with overdone catch-phrases
>or maps with an amazing atmosphere that are fun to just explore while listening to the 10/10 ambience

>>379299159
I tried playing again but the entire layout for getting into a quick match has been turned into some weird console matchmaking shit with rounds and bullshit. What is this shit?

>>379299674
>explore multiplayer maps to enjoy the adventure and ambience

Who does this?

>>379298480
Because Overwatch is heavily inspired by Tf2. You can tell with the similarities it has like 200 hp being base health. But I will admit gameplay wise they feel very different, tf2 is more free roam while overwatch is about tactical positioning and coordination

>>379299401

I own it, I don't own TF2.

Seriously you've lost. Just sign off.

>>379298330
>I can't fap to the characters so the game sucks dick almost as much as I do.

>>379299818
People who wanna listen to the dev commentary I guess.

A lot of love and attention went into the TF2 base-game maps if you take the time to look around.

>>379298330
LOL SEX APPEAL MAKES IT GOOD

Are you 12?

>>379300137
>lost
Is that how you see posting on 4chan? Winning and losing? Sad.

>>379297089
I can disagree with this over core gameplay elements like the noskill meter and so on

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>>379300271
You know is true...

>>379300410

Well you're welcome to.

>>379298904
there are people like me that played overwatch for maybe only 60 hours before i couldnt tolerate its bullshit and stopped playing

>autism vs autism: the thread
exuse me while I enjoy battleborn for free :^)

>>379300728
But anon... TF2 is free too

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TF2 has a comp community on life support set up by the community since valve never supported any comp events cause comp was played the wrong way in their eyes

UGC and other leagues are dead

Community servers are mostly non existent and matchmaking is garbage

The only thing left for TF2 is that sinking ship of a trade economy

let it die

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what servers are good to play?
Im planning to return to TF2

>>379300958
valve and big community servers

>>379298076
>>379297207
>>379296954
T H E S E

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>>379300915
>50,000 players daily
>let it die

>>379300686
Thank you, im glad we agree to disagree.

>>379298556
I find OW games in 30 seconds or less.

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>>379301107
>big community servers
can you name one please?

The main concern I have with Overwatch is the fact that the map design has to be the laziest I've ever seen, its based around choke points or the the MOBA 3 lane design and nothing else.

>>379301148
60k even. Since becoming f2p, TF2 has not left the top 5 most played Steam games once. And that makes it top 10 of all PC games.

>>379301276
Mei-chan is cute! CUTE!

>>379301276
Skial, FirePowered, No Heros to list some
Avoid W3E servers, filled with autistic plugins

>>379301217
>launch TF2
>click find servers
>click favorites
>click server of my choice
>play with people i enjoy playing with every time
>all happens in 5-10 seconds
Yeah, but your thing's cool too..

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GET THESE OVERWATCH SUMMER FAGS OFF MY BORED

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There are people on /v/ right now who prefer Babywatch to TF2.
OW is easy as fuck, TF2 is a much deeper gameplay experience. It's like comparing Melee to Brawl in my mind. One is significantly more polished while the other is an older unapologetically skilled game.

>>379302017
Its even faster if you use the original server list

>>379298196
All meters in tf2 are lost on death.
Uber, Banners, Heads. You die it's back to square one.

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>>379300915
The sign of a ded game - the same amount of players as it's always had

>>379301845
>skial
Shit, they use bot controlled players to fake player counts. Don't bother with them.

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>>379302312
well ackchyually...

>>379299447
Hahahah

No, in TF2 secondaries alone don't counter anything. They just give you a way to fight back when your primary doesn't cut it.

In Overwatch you just suck it up and die and then immediately counterpick

Such skill

TF2 is better, the only good thing about Overwatch is the porn

>>379302442
yeah i generally avoid skial servers but their a good last option

I love and miss TF2, I mourn it constantly.

>>379302562
You are crippling yourself by using anything other than the Ubersaw

>>379302361
blizzard is a big demon, and needs alot of souls.

so they set a trap with bait that the common faggot cannot resist

>Still Playing TF2

Overwatch, Paladins, Battleborn, Gigantic. Get with the times grandpa!

>>379303554
>New new new
>New is better!

>>379303113
Its surprisingly good when you need an uber quickly

>>379298916
please dont make me post the Webm of everyone in the Overwatch match dancing while avoiding to do the objective.

>you guys also harass your F2P community.
Because most people who bought TF2 see them as inherent cancer who bring the games quality down and it did Hackers became more a thing with the 20 dollar barrier removed.

When Overwatch finally goes Free to Play you'll see what I'am talking about.

I just got back into tf2. Love this game and its still good.

>>379294841
>he will never experience community made maps
>he will never experience community made gamemodes
>he will never see the wrath of an admin banning a faggot mid game
>he will never get to play with any more than 12 people at once
>he will be sat in a queue for an hour before he gets to play
>he will never be able to play his game with overclocked hardware
>he will never be able to mod his game
>he will never play with anything except stock weapons
>he will never be able to unlock any good cosmetics outside of events
>he will never be able to play on a completely community run server with plugins
i can see why youd put such a mindless, retarded comment so quickly to defend your empty shell of a game

>>379294841
/thread

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>>379294841
DELET THIS
RIGHT NOWWWWW

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You can master overwatch characters within 15 minutes of playing. There's literally nothing to learn.
Meanwhile, people are still refining their movement in TF2.

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>Hasn't released a game in four years
>that being dota 2
>Last original game published was Left 4 Dead nine years ago
>TF2 becomes their titan game
>rewards it by reducing development
>Now even CS:GO and Dota 2 have less work on it
>If they are doing anything, its not getting announced for another four years and not coming out until four years after that
>My first steam game, TF2, with just over 4000 hours in such a state of decay I cant play it without feeling shame
>liked playing overwatch for a time but can't enjoy the game without people to play with unlike TF2
being a valve fag is suffering

>>379294841
Um...excuse me can you please delete this?

K thx!

Btw I'm a girl ^_^

Overwatch didnt kill tf2
Valve and its awful fanbase did. 2000+ hours of tf2 on my account but fuck going back to that after overwatch came out.

NAME 20

ONLY 20 THINGS THAT MAKE OVERWATCH BETTER

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>>379294841
>>379295738
>>379295859
>>379296776
>>379296826
>>379297208
>>379298626
>>379299026
>>379299124
>>379306501
daily reminder

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>>379298330

Overwatch is the same as TF2. They're both okay casual shooter carried on the charisma of their cast. They're plagued with cancer in the form of cosmetics, microtransactions, and autistic tryhards that would rather dedicate their lives to baby's first shooter instead of a better game. They're both getting (or with TF2, already got) progressively worse with each update.

>>379309107
>At the time they game came out, I felt like there was no purer example of elegant, masterful game design

preach

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>>379309107
>no hats
>game has hats

>>379307851
>haha I can rocket jump in a map designed for practicing it solo.

>>379307851
If the game is so fucking easy why don't you just play it and make shitloads of money off of the

>>379310803
Because I'm salaried for £63,000 with benefits? I don't need esports money lmao.
Name a single mechanic that can't be mastered within 15 minutes in Overwatch.

>>379294841
>so many samefags

>>379311094
Using your hero's abilities to coordinate your with your team and picking the right moments to attack to counter the enemy team's comp

aim is another thing entirely but having perfect aim takes forever in any game

>>379312250
Also, acting like explosive jumping makes a game inherently deeper like a team shooter can't be deep or truly difficult without crazy movement mechanics is silly.

Overwatch is heaps better than Team Fortess 2 inside The Orange Box. What a mediocre joke

>>379294841
>less maps
>less class depth
>less modes
>less everything
>somehow its better

>>379301362
TF2 is currently the 7th most played game on Steam right now.

>>379312552
>Less maps
If we're treating TF2's head start fairly here I think by this time TF2 had less official maps than Overwatch does, not counting custom maps (which is a legitimate complaint however)

>Less class depth
Debatable. TF2 has explosive jumping, mostly. In high level comp team comp remains basically the same as several of TF2's 9 classes are considered non-comp viable. TF2 IIRC at high level is mostly about twitch skill and killing, not as much of the territory control and tactical ability usage like OW has.
I'm just saying TF2 was never meant to be a competitive game. It wasn't intended for e-sports when it was made, it was just supposed to be a fun game.

>Less modes
Again, if we're treating TF2's head start fairly and talking about official modes, then... I don't think so? OW right now has
>2 CP
>CP then payload
>pure payload
>1v1 elimination
>3v3 elimination
>capture the flag
>miscellaneous arena gamemodes
A better criticism would be that Overwatch isn't well balanced for more creative gamemodes like TF2 is, they're too specifically balanced for competitive modes.

>less everything
.

>>379309107

> No hats
> Just lootboxes

Really boils that noodle

>>379313628
just to add on Overwatch has its own problems, TF2 is much easier to hop on and play for fun. Overwatch's 6v6 matchmaking-only setup leaves you with a game where everyone is constantly taking the game seriously with no room to take it down a notch and those that are goofing off run the risk of pissing those who are actually trying to play the game off.

>>379300052
200hp isn't base health in TF2, though? It's 125, which is shared by four out of nine classes. Everyone else has more with only 175 also being shared (twice).

>>379312250
Those aren't mechanics. Individually, the game requires no skill. It's why women enjoy playing it.

>>379313991
>Having the tactical know-how to respond to a variety of different situations and maintain perfect accuracy while doing so does't constitute skill

does R6 siege not need skill because there's no movement mechanics and the only real objective is shoot people?

can a game only really be considered 'skilled' if it has an obtuse mechanic that requires hours if not weeks of slaving away to grasp like Counter-Strike's predictable recoil?

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>>379299151
People have been doing that literally since 2007, and it is no different than the incredible amount of Overwatch art that can be described as "take a webcomic and replace the characters with Overwatch ones based on their single defining characteristic."

>>379312250
>Overwatch
>Ok team I'll use my super ability in this choke, after that we can push through.

>TF2
Ok team, hold here as I go sap the sentry up ahead. Once I do that push in and destroy the sentry as I distract the engineer.

>>379312250
>press button
>receive cap

>>379314348
>ok team i'll use my super ability in this choke
>oh no, i got stunned by a character who has the ability to interrupt supers and because nobody coordinated to protect me I died, leaving our team more vulnerable than if I hadn't used the super at all

>TF2
Ok team there's a sentry
*sits on a corner and shoots a few flicked rockets, blowing up the engineer and then his entire nest*
lol

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>>379302361

If you actually played the game, you'd know that there's only about 5-8K people playing. The rest was made up by Valve to keep the hat economy (and the CSGO and DOTA 2 economy too, because people suddenly realizing that their pixels are actually worthless will kill the rest too) from crashing.

Honestly, you can even look in the server browser and count the players there.

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>Post things that Overwatch will never have

>>379314647
>overwatch will never have hammer

thank goodness

custom map tools and support would be good though

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>>379314647

>>379314238
the mechanic in siege is "how can I fuck up this building so I can shoot some prick camping in a corner."

>>379314869
Overwatch already has a server browser, it's just that the custom servers are more like halo's than TF2s - just slight mutations.

>>379314602
>*sits on a corner and shoots a few flicked rockets, blowing up the engineer and then his entire nest*

Oh shit, I built in a bad spot! Hey spy, could you go down and take care of the soldier for me? I'll keep him occupied by using the recuse ranger and repairing my sentry form safety. Once you do that I'll move my sentry to a better spot.

>>379295939
>LoL came out in 09
>WoW came out in 04
Your argument is as weak as the TF2 market

>>379315080
not a true server browser with community servers run by players without restrictions put in place by valve themselves though

>>379315242
by blizzard themselves*

>>379309107
How this faggot is worst than i tought

>>379302442
>they use bot controlled players to fake player counts
They have a plugin that makes players who are afk play as bots until the person playing gets back.

>>379313628
>not as much of the territory control and tactical ability usage like OW has.
The problem with territory control is that OW maps are dogshit.
Seriously, look at it's egypt map for example. Draw a outline in the playable space and it's literally a gigantic corridor.

>>379314642
>The rest was made up by Valve
>made up by valve
>in a non-valve site
Good shit blizzard keeps ow numbers hidden so blizzdrones dont kill themselves for that shit dead game

>>379315818
as long as your solution to that isn't just use TF2 maps"

I've seen multiple people say they should just put TF2 maps in Overwatch when TF2 is a VERY different game from Overwatch

TF2 was shit to be honest. I never played Overwatch.

>>379315940
Fair enough, but the problem isn't that Tf2 maps are bad.
It's that Overwatch characters are slow as all hell, so their maps have to be more compact to make up for that. Which I believe is why the maps are so choke focused, it's hard to make a small map with good flank routes when it also needs to be small.

And as for my solution? Increase the base movement speed significantly and give different characters differing foot speeds depending on what abilities they have that can make up for it. There now you can make bigger maps.

>>379316285
I'm pretty sure Overwatch characters aren't slower than TF2 characters by and large though

they're at least slightly over engineer speed

>>379316875
IIRC the fastest running speed in OW (Tracer) is somewhere around Demoman speed.

>>379314238
>does R6 siege not need skill because there's no movement mechanics and the only real objective is shoot people?
I N D I V I D U A L S K I L L
>can a game only really be considered 'skilled' if it has an obtuse mechanic that requires hours if not weeks of slaving away to grasp like Counter-Strike's predictable recoil?
Yes you fucking cretin. Games that have depth and require practise and can't be mastered within 15 minutes require skill.

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>>379314238
>no movement mechanics
>players are moving

>>379317027
Actually, lucio's the fastest

>>379317342
>aiming isn't really aiming if you don't have to understand a bizarre always-consistent pattern it sprays in every time
>You have to be able to accurately shoot people at longer ranges in order to be truly good at Overwatch's DPS
hmmmmm.....

>>379301148
>50k players
man, thats almost the same player count as football manager

>>379317523
Aim applies to every FPS ever. You truely are a fucking retard.

>>379317930
Very astute, young Anon.

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>>379303113
>medic
>using the ubersaw
>die because of that
i mean, the ubersaw is useful to do spy-check in the base but that´s it.

>>379317930
Meanwhile, the only number Blizzard reveals about Overwatch's playerbase is the amount of accounts that have launched the game at least once. I seriously doubt that Overwatch has more than 30 thousand active players on pc.

>>379317993
depends on various factors and ttk how much of an affect it has, anon

call of duty's aim matters less than team fortress' aim for instance because everyone has the same health and there's no heals

>>379300958
I like skial servers. There's a few good dedicated 32 player dustbowl servers out there.

>>379302017
This so much. I only play on a few servers, and they are great. Dedicated admins and cool players.