Am I just bad or is this game incredibly hard?

>>379290975
Why are millenials so bad at games? If that's hard for you then don't even try SMT games.

>>379291058
>comparing the difficulty of an action game to the difficulty of a RPG
lmao

It's the hardest game in the series, it's not just you.

>>379290975
Knock enemies into the air then unload your guns into them for style points. Yeah it takes some getting used to but once you beat the spider for the first time, you can handle anything the game throws at you.

>>379290975
You're just bad. I played this game for the first time last month and beat it no problem. Admittedly, the game controls like ass and the camera is atrocious

>>379290975
Why have he been having so many DMC1 threads lately?

>>379292324
>the game controls like ass
lmfao what

>>379291673
>implying DmC isn't an RPG

>>379292345
Teens just are getting to know DMC games.

Just keep playing til you get good. I played this on release when I was seven and was absolutely obsessed. I revisited it a few years back and I couldn't play for shit.

>>379292324
>>379292463
The input delay, clunky movement, aren't really helped by the narrow hallways and shitty camera angles. They wanted DMC1 to be "atmospheric". too bad all that atmospheric goes out the window when rock music starts playing and your character starts doing anime shit

>>379291058
>SMT
>grinding is hard
Fucking lol

>>379292496
You are too much retarded. Greetings.

a remake of this with updated gameplay would be GOAT

>>379292080
I beat the Spider boss that was mission three, took me almost seven tries but I'm stuck at the encounter where you put the Pride of Lion in the statue at the room with the fountain and you have to fight the black thing that shoots spikes out.
I beat God Hand and vanilla DMC3 a few months ago pretty smoothly but I am getting absolutely destroyed in this game.

>>379292648
I prefer DMC3 and 4 but 1 is certainly atmospheric. It had the best atmosphere in the whole series. I miss the action horror vibe the first game had.

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>>379292080
>once you beat the spider for the first time, you can handle anything the game throws at you.
lmao

>>379292345
DMC3Babbies finally going back and giving the game it's deserved playthrough.

>>379292648
>input delay
Never was a problem back in the day on SDTVs unless you playing like fucking guitar hero or something.

>>379290975
You're just bad. You will learn how to play soon and it becomes a cakewalk. Then you will try the next difficulty and get your ass handed to you again.

T. Guy who is been stuck on DMD Phantom for a month

>>379292808
That's weird, I found those 2 much harder then dmc1. Shadow is only weak to guns until the core is exposed.

>>379292648
>>379292648
Just stop posting kid, upset he can't fly around at the speed of sound while comboing his scarecrows into the sky haha

>>379292771
Hello

>>379292648
There is no input delay, you just can't cancel out of attack animations arbitrarily. Think before you act. Camera angle problems are the only legitimate criticism you made, everything else just requires you to strategize & play cautiously.

You suck

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>>379292693
>grinding

>>379290975
It might be hard just because you aren't used to the controls and are spoiled with the 3rd person controls of today... but this is how we used to have to play our video games.

>>379292648
Are you playing a PAL PS2 copy or something? The movement is not clunky at all.

>>379293041
>you just can't cancel out of attack animations arbitrarily.
This might be a big reason why I was able to do God Hand and DMC3 a lot more smoothly, I was used to being able to cancel out of anything but in this game once you commit you have to follow through.
The camera is pretty awful though.

>>379292648
>too bad all that atmospheric goes out the window when rock music starts playing and your character starts doing anime shit
what

>>379293225
>wasting my time traversing through boring ass map is sssssooooo hard!
Fuck off you faux hardcore piece of shit. RPG shit like this isn't skill based, it just requires the player to waste time on grinding and acquiring knowledge.

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>>379292648
>Implying the contrast between the horror setting and Dante's out of place flamboyance isn't what makes DMC1 amazing.

All this shit taste.

>>379293471
>i didn't actually play it

>>379293471
retarded pleb, kill yourself immediately

>>379292345
DMC3/4 kids probably deciding to actually try DMC1 instead of beating it on Easy and calling it a day.

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>>379293471
>acquiring knowledge
>not a skill

>>379290975
I unlocked Sparda when I was 12, you fucking twit.

>>379293471
>what is proper preparation
>what is knowing the ins and outs of a game
>what is being prepared to react to any situation the game throws at you
>what is remembering your opponent's moveset
DMC

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>>379293628
you done?

>>379293225
Strange Journey is genuinely the most overrated game of all time. Bland, repetitive areas that are a chore to get through, not interesting or fun at all. Insultingly bad characters, then again it's a Japanese game, but still. Every aspect of it was bland and boring. But because it's a chin miganu sensei game all the tryhards on here have to pretend they enjoyed it

>>379291058
Those two games are not even remotely similar.

>>379293957
I've been done with DMC for years anon.

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>>379293509
It's /v/ in a nutshell. Liking DMC1 has now become a meme here now because kiddos are too damn casual for action games that don't completely revolve around combos and enemies taking turns for their attacks. It's always the game's fault too.

>The camera is terrible lel. Controls are clunky haha. Why don't I have 50 different moves guys?

Are there any good PS2-style controllers I can use on a PC for this game? The 360/One controllers have face buttons that dont work well when you have to press them repeatedly, firing the handguns for example feels awful.

Got any suggestions or should I just grab a DS4?

>>379294039
4/10 for effort

>>379294216
sony's controllers are hard to get used to and uncomfortable

>>379290975
It's not that the game is intentionally hard, it's just that there are some awkward design choices stemming from it splintering out of a Resident Evil project. From inception, it wasn't even close to what it was and gradually morphed into the action game it turned out to be, but some curious remnants from it's original blueprint remain and make it less natural to play whereas DMC3 took what DMC1 was and finetuned all the aspects of the game.

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>>379294579
>This whole post
>DMC3 took what DMC1 was and finetuned all the aspects of the game.

>>379291058
>Fight the lava scorpion
>He jumps in the air, I keep running
>camera shifts 90 degrees fucking my trajectory
>He fall on me and I die instantly

Fuck this. Once I made it past him and saw the game was still a shitty resident evil with swords I stopped playing. Just play 3 and 4

>>379290975
play DMC2 if you want an easy game.
Seriously trought i just started yesterday, the pistols are ridiculous OP or it's just me?

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>>379294726
/thread

The first game is nothing more than a curiosity.

>>379294579
>It's not that the game is intentionally hard
Yes it is, retard. The game was literally made by Kamiya literally made the game to be ""challenge to those who played light, casual games."", which is pretty much every game released these days, with only a few stragglers Souls aside. Whole post is bullshit

>>379295072
Post the WEBM where the enemies aren't fucking retarded. Go ahead, i'll wait. DMC3/4 is only good for the boss fights, unless you feel like bullying scarecrows all day to showcase muh technical combo skills.

>>379295072
>I was 5 when DMC1 launched

Yeah nah, DMC1 broke boundaries for these types of games. No game in the same genre even matched DMC1's initial bombshell release other than Metal Gear Rising. DMC1 was a massive success financially, and pushed 3D action games to the next level.

To call it a "curiosity" shows how fucking ignorant you are of this series and video games in general.

>>379294918
DMC2 only has a resemblance of challenge on DMD, where it can almost be kind of fun, gotta slog through the shit a few times though which is too much. Too bad it's loaded down with some of the shittiest bosses in an action game though. Flying helicopters, flying moths, flying triple heads, swimming fish boss, fuck all those guys.

>>379294913
This is how you DON'T play DMC1. Lock on and roll away when Phantom's about to land, don't just run around like an idiot.

>>379294918
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5FrWcrc-XU
Save yourself the trouble. But to answer your question the pistols do the same damage as the sword so there's no reason not to use them.

You fucking suck at games.

>>379295780
Now i'm curious how the game would had been if Itsuno didn't joined the project to salvage it.

>>379294913
Nice, showcasing exactly why DMC3babbies are the casuals of action vidyas. Learn to abuse i-frames on jump fag.

>>379290975
Anybody else think that the Mundas fight is incredibly cool? Especially the flying stg segment.

Why are dmc1fags so obnoxious?

>>379290975
Nah. You've been spoiled by the generation below you. Any generation that started gaming AFTER PS2 are all scrubs. Okay maybe not all but most. I just recently bought a ps2 controller to replay all my classics, and quickly found myself getting my ass kicked in the normal and easy difficulties, as where my 14-15 year old self used to play on max difficulty. The skill caps for games these days, save for things like Dark Souls, just pales in comparison to current gen. Old Gundam games were hard as shit. DmC 1 hard as fuck.

It's not that hard. It's the RE camera angles that made it hard to see what the fuck you were hitting or dodging.

>>379295930
All guns doesn't really fly in DMC2 DMD, enemies will just Devil Trigger and you will have your shit pushed in. There guns become mostly for the usual juggling and linking together your style meter between melee encounters so you can keep it going and not have it fade away.

For the DMC2 newfags, don't forget combos are tied to the right analog stick, for some retarded reason.

>>379296314
because you're a DMC3babby and it goes both ways.

>>379295072
While this is nice looking, it doesn't change the fact that enemies in DMC3/4 are punching bags. The only enemy in DMC3 that even comes close to being a threat are Lusts and that is purely because of Lustercut. There is a reason why people like DMC1/Ninja Gaiden/Bayonetta. They may not offer the same combo freedom as DMC3/4 but the enemies are much better, and fun enemies can add a lot to a game. Just look at Bayonetta, literally no enemy in DMC3/4 comes close to Grace and Glory in terms of intensity and enjoyment of combat.

>>379293225
Just write down a few notes and there you go, nothing hard about it.

>>379296764
but I played them in release order

>>379296314
The same way DMC3 babbies are obnoxious. I'm not even talking shit on the game, DMC3 is great, but you "DMC3 was my first DMC game" kids are just as obnoxious.

>>379296867
>few

>>379297179
Yes few, not to mention that it's easy as piss to get heals/status restores from enemies during that bit so you've got all the time in the world to trial and error your way through it.

>>379296865
This guy fucking gets it. DMC1/NG are my GOATs, thought Bayo was more along the lines of DMC3/4 though so I kinda skipped over it. Guess i'll go ahead and give it an honest try soon.

>>379296865
>While this is nice looking, it doesn't change the fact that enemies in DMC3/4 are punching bags.

Nah, that's bullshit. Enemies in DMC3 are aggressive as fuck because they all gang the fuck up on you at the same time, it makes me seriously doubt if you've even played it. Only DMC4 is noticeably easier. Both DMC3 and DMC1 are extremely hard games if you want them to be that.

>>379293225
>tedium = difficulty

It's like there's a correlation between liking JRPGs and being clinically retarded

>>379297895
>they all gang the fuck up on you at the same time
You have so many tools to get out of any tricky situation that it doesn't matter how badly they surround you. They have no tools to deal with how quickly the player can move, and their attacks are so painfully slow and well telegraphed. The only times the enemies are actually challenging is when there's enigmas around or they clip into the fucking floor.

>>379298091
>button mashing = difficulty

It's like there's a correlation between liking copy pasted action games and being clinically retarded

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>>379298091
>I couldn't beat any JRPGs I tried
you can make any excuses you want, but you're going to be laughed at on this anonymous imageboard
and the fact that bugs you is hilarious

>>379298243
>You have so many tools to get out of any tricky situation that it doesn't matter how badly they surround you. They have no tools to deal with how quickly the player can move, and their attacks are so painfully slow and well telegraphed.

I don't agree at all, almost every encounter is diversified with Lusts and Sloths to make sure you're not only fighting cannon fodder Prides, and even in numbers Prides can land a hit on you.

And I really don't know what you mean by "so many tools to get out of any tricky situation", in DMC1 a lot of attacks become easily avoided when you master the i-frames on the jump.

>>379299289
Lusts move around a lot but hardly attack, sloths are practically harmless. You can get hit but only if you're being stupid/impatient. There's no feeling of enemies actively chasing you out to fuck you in the ass with the only exception being the hell vanguards who are very predictable. Refer to the other anon's example of Grace and Glory, not even DMC3's bosses reach that level of aggression.

>>379292693
>SMT
>Grinding

You're doing something wrong if you need grinding

>>379299834
Yeah he's playing a shitty game where devs forgot to put like 2-3 hours of content before the final boss

>>379290975
Every enemy has a gimmick, reapers need to you to shotgun their face, marionettes need you to use knockback heavy attacks, just find out what to do for which enemy.

>>379292907
>that initail attack that starts from the cutscene that gives you 0.001 seconds to dodge it
Well fuck you too

>>379290975
>Release date: August 23, 2001
Jesus fuck OP, I was 8 when I finished the game. How bad are you.

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DMC1 is fairly diffficult, yes.

It's also my favorite game in the series.

>>379290975
I don't get how people call DMC1 hard when Dante has so much broken things in this game. DT is completely ridiculous in this game and the Grenade Gun is the best ranged weapon in the series.

>>379300403
It's because of the spider meme boss.

>>379299794
You attribute a level of aggressiveness to DMC1's enemies that simply isn't there for most of them. The only really standout I remember is Shadows.

DMC1's enemies are closer to DMC3 than they are to Bayonetta and Ninja Gaiden. Hell people like to bring up Grace and Glory in Bayonetta but the fact is most enemies telegraph their attacks with a shimmer pretty well in advance in that game.

>>379300460
Once you learn to dodge roll, that boss is a cake walk

>>379296027
DMC3 is way harder than 1 my dude what kinda drugs are you on

>>379297623
Bayonetta 1's character controls like DMC4 but the game itself is more like DMC1. It would be the perfect action game if there weren't dozens of life or death quick time in cutscenes and weird budget cuts in the cutscenes.

>>379294474
for you

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>>379301252
>It would be the perfect action game if there weren't dozens of life or death quick time in cutscenes and weird budget cuts in the cutscenes.

The levels and story suck ass in Bayonetta though, to the point that it actually hurts the game significantly. Which I previously would have thought impossible in this genre until I played this game.

I'm not asking for Shakespearean dialogue here, but at least contextualize why I'm fighting and where I am in a somewhat understandable fashion. Ninja Gaiden's story is mostly pure ass but at least I feel a sense of progression and sort of understand what's happening. In Bayonetta, fucking anything goes. Not only is there a LOT of story and exposition in Bayonetta, it's so poorly written that it basically turns into pure nonsense. The game has this "DUDE ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN" attitude that also carries over into the level design. There's zero rhyme or reason to the game and it will just throw you from one ridiculous scenario into the next, to the point that you lose any grip on what's happening and you just stop caring.

I think Bayonetta's campaign is straight up bad, it completely disregards the concept of setup and payoff; which is the bread and butter of any story, even if said story is just pure gameplay and level design.

>>379303238
That's the least of its troubles. I'd worry more about the constant tedious set pieces, piss poor platforming, mini games and backtracking dragging it down. The bosses are almost all bad too. The story's bad but it's all skippable so who cares.

>>379303764
I'm not just talking about the story in cutscenes, but the "story" in gameplay, ie a coherent flow in the level design that makes it enjoyable to play through.

>>379304570
Eh, that's more a you problem honestly. I couldn't care less if the environments don't link together in a coherent fashion because the enjoyment comes from the combat scenarios, as long as there's solid mechanical progression there the game might as well take place on a series of featureless arenas. Might actually be better because there won't be unnecessary details blocking the camera.

>>379291058
Am I the only one to get the joke?

>>379305405
Nope

>>379290975
Its the hardest game in series. Seriously, DMD mundus just wrecks your face all day.

>>379290975
My favourite game and the only one that unleashed my autism (beat it 20 times +, few times on DMD).

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>>379305636
tfw yet to beat DMD Nightmare 3 or Mundus without using untouchables at the last seconds of their fights

I definitely feel bad, but goddamn the shit is genuinely hard. I only play DMC1 on DMD for replays now, so maybe one day...

>>379306393
You think thats bad? I farned untouchables found in levels since you could only buy and carry 1 at the same time. So you couldnt stack them any other way but replaying the game and farming those 2 found in levels.

>>379294913
>running like a fucking idiot in DMC1
No you fucking moron, Dante doesn't run away for shit, he's always in control, he dodges, he dishes out, if you were running like a moron, you had it coming.

>>379294913
>get the timing down
>use the jump invul frames to turn the tables and be the one on top

>>379290975
>DMC
>Hard
I don't get this meme, the DMC games are not really that hard, the only hard part of DMC 1 is Nightmare.

Dante must die mode is a whole different beast tho.

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>>379308095
It's because the first Phantom encounter is the greatest casual filter of all time.

>>379308095
Relative to modern games, DMC1 is very hard.

>>379290975
compared to the later games ( I mean 3 and 4) the controls are not that smooth

>>379303764
I liked pretty much all the bosses and how they're all really unique and use the walk on any surface mechanic in cool ways, I've never understood why anyone would dislike them. Especially when you look at Bayonetta 2 where every boss is literally the same.

>>379309464
>I've never understood why anyone would dislike them.
Because you just dodge telegraphed attacks and button mash, in a game based around aerial combat not having bosses that can be launched is objectively awful design choice.
Gracious and Glorious are ten times more fun than any """""""boss""""""" in Bayonetta.