Final Fantasy XIV Stormblood

As an AST, I welcome Stormblood with open arms.

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>"buy a boost potion trust me"

It's fine, they'll just buff it above AST after it underperforms and then we'll continue the dance until they release the next healer job.

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How can WHMlets even compete?

>>379277028
is this just only the people who buy it through steam?

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How do we fix Thancred?

Hard mode: not killing him

>>379277262
he goes homo for my wol

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>>379277184
No, it's Steam showing everyone playing it on Consoles.

What the fuck do you think?

>>379277262
Make him less of Punished Thancred
seriously though what's wrong with him? He seems fine, just more wore down.

>>379277371
reminder his eye is perfectly fine and only uses the bandage because it makes him looks cool

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>>379277028
Nice try, that's people who are playing it through Steam you mongo

>>379277028
>5$ game

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>AST already pulling away from the other healers because Balance is retarded
>let's buff AST even more, nerf SCH and give WHM nothing

Fucking kek, how could they get the tanks so right then turn around and fuck up on the healers this badly

>tfw you have played AST since 3.0 when it was trash tier

Suck it up WHMs. If AST balance is anything to go by you'll be totally fucking broken in 5.0.

>>379277368
>Consoles.
that explains everything, nice try

>>379277101
I-it'll get nerfed!

>>379275702
does this set exist?

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Post >yfw

>>379277564
whm is not even nearly as bad as 3.0 ast, which is why i am annoyed by this constant shitposting

Help me decide.

http://www.strawpoll.me/13125762

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>>379277725

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I can confirm that Teioh and Star Breaker cheat. Even with super sprint, they can match your speed which shouldn't be possible. Because Super Sprint gives 500 speed, 500 cunning, 500 acceleration and makes you immune to terrain/weather. Which pretty much means those two npcs have above the maximum possible speed.

You beat them because their AI is dumb and their abilities are garbage.

>>379277028

When did the steam version come out? Like 2.3 or 2.4? Almost everyone who was playing at that time can't play on steam.

>>379277802
>DPS

Does not matter.

>>379277371
>father figure dies fighting Bahamut
>wants to fill his shoes but too depressed
>depression allows for Ascian possession
>which gets dozens of Minfilia's people killed
>even more depressed because he got possessed
>everything's looking up, then Ul'dah happens
>get teleported to the middle of nowhere
>ability to use magic is gone
>suddenly aged 15 years in a day
>gets back to his friends
>finds out his daughteru was snatched away by the crystal he's been protecting, eaten, and is having her image used as a puppet to speak through
He's had a rough time lately.

>>379277890
>t. MNK

Give it up, buddy. Your expansion is over.

>>379277842
>NPCs don't play by player's rule

Tell me something I don't know.

>>379274436
No amount of apologizing was going to sate niggerhogs chimp out. It's like niggers and slavery. After 200 years and America acknowledging that it was wrong(it wasn't) and reparations(always a bad thing since it will create entitlements) niggers are still crying about muh slavery and chimping out about superior White race.

>>379276605
There is nothing wrong with dictatorship as long as the person leans to the right. Dictatorship always goes wrong with a lefty is in charge.

You know like the difference between Hitler and FDR. Hitler was a wonderful dictator that loved his people and valued virtues. FDR was a libcuck that bent over to the kikes and you can see the results of how degenerate and moral destructive the world has become today with the bad guys winning WWII.

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Reminder.

>>379277028
i actually bought it on steam (because i'm very stupid, and regret it) but i dont even launch it through steam because it's so pointless

>>379277963
Kek I play AST so it's looking pretty good for me.

>>379277564
>>379277753
Y'all were in the trash can for six months, got buffed to be decent; then got buffed AGAIN to be top tier, and are poised to recieve yet ANOTHER round of buffs. AST with that WAR "But we were shit for a while a long time ago that means we're entitled to everything" mentality.

At least SCH finally got nerfed, they probably deserve even more than they got to be honesr.

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>>379275754
>earthly star
>sleeve draw
>those fucking noct shield potencies

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>>379277842
Star Breaker is actually faster than super sprint.

>>379278029
>No amount of apologizing was going to sate niggerhogs chimp out.
They even made this absolutely 100% crystal clear in the story and it's amazing how everyone just conveniently forgets it. Nidhogg was fucking crazy and just wanted to torture people that had nothing to do with what happened.

>>379278097
I don't speak moonrunes

>>379278029
They flat out explained that dragons comprehend time differently. The betrayal by Ishgard feels to them like it happened moments ago, not centuries like in regular people time.

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>>379278097
who the FUCK let the shed open again?
you are not allowed to leave it for at least 2 more years

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lalafells?

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>>379277725
>flames
>not orange
>not black
>but blue and purple

>>379278229
no, femroes

>>379278219
And they also fucking explained that Nidhogg is well aware that Thordan and his knights are long dead and the current Ishgardians are distant descendants. He has no right to be mad at them. He's not a fucking child that's incapable of comprehending that.

>>379278230
BLUE MAGE CONFIRMED

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>>379278227
I'm afraid the raid can't start until you prep the MNK anon.

>>379278143
dude i was fine with midas changes, 3.4 was yoshi overkill like it was for bard buffs
there is no reason to have extra heal potency on stances now on top of ridicolous sleeve draw on only 2min cd, not even counting the assize 3 times the potency as the "pure healer"

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>>379278309
what if femroes bullying lalaboys

>>379278134
what? I thought you didn't have a choice, if you buy it on steam you have to play it through steam.

>>379278415
Back to the bench monkuck

>>379278439
sounds like the plot to a doujin

>>379278415
>MNKlets think they are relevant

Say it loud, say it clear, MNK are cuckshed tier.

So how are MNKs even worse in 4.0?

>>379278487
nope, that's just one reason why it's so fucking stupid

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New PvP set

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HIGH ON HIGH I STAND

>>379277926
>daughteru
I thought he wanted to fuck her.

>>379278684
Neat.

>>379278684
Masks don't look good, rest is fine.

>>379275702
What could they do to make WHM viable instead of AST/SCH?

>>379278684
So which one will DRG copy? The MNK or the Tank

>>379278315
On the flipside you've got Tiamat who's moping for eternity for a mistake made in despair and vain hope. Even her dad's like "I mean, I won't stop you, but it's been a pretty long-ass time, you sure you won't leave the time-out corner? No one else cares."

I wonder if Midgardsormr's other kids we haven't met have problems.

>>379277262
get him a motorcycle so he doesn't have to walk everywhere and miss out on important quest issues.

>>379277371
This. Old carefree womanizing Thancred was infinitely better than the batman wannabe we have at the moment. Turning him into an edgelord was a mistake and he even though he was barely a blip on the radar in ARR he had an infinitely more interesting personality then than he has now.

>b-but everything went to shit for him
Then maybe they should have fucking wrote the story in such a way that didn't make the entire world take a massive dump on him. The entire "can't use magic anymore" thing is bullshit, it has absolutely zero plot relevance outside of providing an excuse to write him out of the story, especially when Y'shtola went through even worse shit than he did during the escape from Ul'dah and got away with nothing but some poor eyesight. Also granting him some fucking closure during the warriors of darkness talk by letting him talk to actual Minfilia instead of just having Hyedalin possess her outright.

Thancred isn't edgy because it's natural reaction to the shit that's been going on, he's edgy because the writing team decided to make him so when they had the clear option not to.

>>379278738
Stop skipping cutscenes. He even got pissy at Krile when she assumed that. Thancred helped F'lhaminn raise Minfilia after her dad died.

>>379274436
Doesn't it sort of prove pope was right when even at the bitter end we still had to fight and kill Nidhogg, and then simply discard his eyes instead of destroy them? I mean, you could make a case for the other dragons since most of them don't give a fuck anymore, but still.

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>>379277262
>Hard mode: not killing him
Unfortunately death is the only next step for him. There isn't much else for him in this world: Lost his boss, lost his super special group of primal hunters that can't kill primals on their own, lost is oppai daughteru, lost his magic (teleportation included, sure is great to always be late to every important event like patch 3.5's ending), will lose his "the party's ninja" role to Doman's NPCs (Oboro is part of the MSQ now, for example). Even after meeting the other scions, and puppet Minfilia later, pretty much nothing changed for him, so now it feels like now he is just trying to hard to keep his current gimmick.
Thancred as a character is pretty much dead, we are just waiting for his inevitable noble sacrifice to protect a more "useful" NPC.

>>379278684
I expected much more after 180 sets and Garo gear.

>>379278953
>but poor eyesight
She's dying a slow death. She needs to consume aether to be able to see.

>>379277262
I wish there was a little more lead up to his change in personality. I could see him acting the way he does after 3.5, but not before.

>>379279014
Only halfway. Ishgard was still a complete and utter shithole to live in if you weren't a noble and he was going to do nothing to change that.

>>379279101
I'll give you three guesses as to how many times this will be brought up again in the future and the first two don't count.

It's fucking zero because yoshi would never kill off the fanbase's #1 waifu.

>>379279101
Yeah great who cares, they won't kill off the cat. Just said that to give her some perceived weakness. It had no effect whatsoever

>>379278953
>especially when Y'shtola went through even worse shit than he did during the escape from Ul'dah and got away with nothing but some poor eyesight
Some poor eyesight that doesn't even remotely hinder her. Outside of someone feeling obligated to go "oh no it'll kill you!!!" every fucking patch story, despite the fact that it damn well won't, because Y'shtola is the 'fan favorite', like fucking Tataru, for reasons I will never understand.

>>379279084
Most of the PVP sets were extremely over done, these are nice looking.

>>379279174
>Ishgard was still a complete and utter shithole to live in if you weren't a noble
Only after Bahamut fucked up the weather and left thousands of farmers and ranchers homeless in the Brume. Ishgard is not bad, they just expect everyone to contribute to the war according to their station. It's not like they can just bring back all the homes and farms that were lost because of the Calamity.

just give y'shtola nidhogg's eyes, he's not using them anymore

>>379278684
>the same boring shit

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>>379278684
Everything looks terrible.

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When are they going to add a Reaper class?

>>379279056
its kinda sad how theyre killing off all the old 1.0 scions

actually cant wait for yshtola to fuck off though

>>379279447
Botanist has been there since 1.0

>>379279447
>people want that awful outfit to be wearable

>>379278219
Honestly though, even if Nidhogg was literally incapable of comprehending the people he was fighting were completely removed from the sins of their fathers, that doesn't mean the current guys should just lie down and take it. You still have to deal with the problem, sometimes unpleasently, if there's no happy solution for all parties.

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>>379279447
Never Ever.

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>>379279508
I want her boots.

>>379279447
DRK should have used scythe. Were going through too many sword users.

>>379279609
>if Nidhogg was literally incapable of comprehending the people he was fighting were completely removed from the sins of their fathers
He wasn't, though. And he made that clear when it was revealed that his plan was never to win, but to use Ishgard as a constant breeding ground for more of Thordan's descendants to torture for as long as he could.

>>379279447

>want darker mage, not a typical magic user like BLM or a DoT class like SMN
>nothing will ever some out for me

I want to be the edge.

>>379279609
Nidhogg just wanted eternal revenfe. Bithing wrong with punishing your enemies for all time.

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>wind-up succubus will never strangle your dick with her thighs

>>379278684
>MNK didn't get the monkey gear

Weird

>>379279717
would have looked dumb as hell. knights used swords, so a greatsword works just fine.

>>379279462
>>379279056
I can't wait until Tataru and the Leveilleurs are the only ones left. Maybe keep Lyse depending on how SB turns out, she might stay in Ala Mhigo as a leader though if there even is an Ala Mhigo by the end still.

>>379279717
>pld
>drk
>too many sword users

>>379279790
What monkey gear?

>>379279174
Pretty much all governments are going to have their flaws. I can't really say having a noble and commoner class is really any better than basing status off of, say, being a wealthy merchant or a successful pirate. About the only one you could claim as doing things well would be Gridania, only because they don't really seem to have any organization beyond a chosen white mage.

>>379279898
SAM/RDM

>>379277802

>all these BRD votes

>>379279914
BRD has monkey mask.

>>379279861
Lyse is the one I want to die the most.

>>379279914
The BRD set looks like a monkey

>>379279984
>PLD
sword and shield
>DRK
greatsword
>SAM
katana
>RDM
rapier

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>>379279508
It looks like just the sort of thing the cash shop crowd would eat up. When Yoshi is short on his castle money, I expect to it see it added.

>>379279318
Was Ishgard lands in 1.0? I really wish I had opted to play back then.

>>379277262
Who's thancred?

>>379279447
I can already imagine the sea of Ragna's, Maka's, and Ruby Rose's infesting that Job.

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Herro everyone prease enjoy new recycled animations and pallete swap enemies in the expansion.

>>379280090
Yeah and it was fucking beautiful and green. I'll always be mad that they made it into a snow level.

>>379279735
Depends if I'm his enemy or not.

>>379278684
Why are they releasing new pvp set when the new pvp battleground isn't getting released until 4.1?

>>379279898
>>379279823
>No 1h/shield combo for DRK
>No 2h greatsword for PLD

Why yoshi, make this a thing.

I want more rule 63 art for FFXIV

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>>379280090
Coerthas was in 1.0 and looked like this. There was no snow until the calamity happened and caused an endless winter to fall over the entire region. It was also much bigger, in addition to Central and Western Highlands there was also Eastern Highlands (which are actually in the game, it's where Shatter takes place) as well as Coerthas Central and Eastern Lowlands.

I don't really understand why all the zones were cut, if anything CCH should have been separated into Central Highlands and Central Lowlands because CCH is fucking huge compared to all the other zones in ARR.

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Eventually a part will come where Alphinaud disappears for awhile, like on a study trip back to his homeland or something, then a few patches and months ingame time happen and he returns as a full grown lanky Elezen.

>>379280303
They are just teasing it like they did with the 180 sets.

>>379280385
I'd like Hammers, but it's not gonna happen.

>>379278439
I wouldn't mind that but this isn't the thread for it.

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>>379280462

>>379280497
It's sort of one of the things that make me a little disappointed, providing extra weapon types as flavor for classes would've been nice.

>>379280385
Having alternate weapon types for each job that change things like damage type or stat distribution (eg, warriors get clubs which let them do blunt damage, shield DRKs have better defense distribution or maybe better defensive cooldowns or something) would be kind of interesting, but certainly not the sort of thing these devs would ever do.

>>379277028
Only retards bought this game on steam

>>379280004
>wanting to kill off best scion

>>379280462
I wonder if a time skip would work.

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>>379280438

>>379280701
She will no longer be acting like yda so she will be shit.

>>379280629
I'd have preferred alt weapons to job gauges.

>>379280769
>This will be your singular dungeon for the odd patch

>>379280769
DELET

>>379280729
>literal empty dead-ends
sweet game nostalgiafags

>>379280165
I want a suit to fuck with the ragnas in that case.

THIRTY THOUSAND GOBLINS GONNA SOLVE THE GOBLINS' PROBLEMS, 'CAUSE THE
PROBLEMS OF THE GOBLINS GOIN' ROTTEN TILL THEY SOLVE 'EM, YEAH THE
THIRTY THOUSAND GOBLINS GONNA SOLVE THE GOBLINS' PROBLEMS, WITH A
'SPLODIN SMASHIN' BASHIN' WHACKIN' CRACKIN' SMACKIN' KIND OF CHAOS

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>it's a ffxiv thread where people who never played ffxiv 4.0 nostalgia for it

>>379280729
1.0 areas were copy pasted like crazy

>>379280905
Don't forget the retarded levels of copy/pasted terrain

Still kinda preferred it over the Central Highlands in ARR. Bullshit invisible walls and all.

>>379280729
every 1.0 map gives me eye cancer

>Standardize Dark Arts to 140 potency no matter where you use it
>Set Blackest Night to give you a nearly identical amount of potency via Bloodspiller, for the same MP
>Even change Dark Passenger to basically be an oGCD that gives a nearly identical amount of potency as Dark Arts for the same MP

>But don't think to make DA Power Slash usable by giving it the same 140 potency of real damage

I know the shit's not final but how do you miss something that obvious?

>>379281036
I played it and still nostalgia for it. I liked how they handled crafting back then.

>>379281108
ONE.

COMBO.

CLASS.

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>>379280816
too maachu waaku preasu rook foowaado too jobbu gay-jees

>>379281036
Seemed like it was horrible but something about the combat looks satisfying.
I like how the staircase from Nael 1.0 is still floating in the background of Turn 9. I'm kind of sad we lost the z-axis dimension to the Ifrit arena.

>>379281108
>But don't think to make DA Power Slash usable by giving it the same 140 potency of real damage
Literally doesn't matter anymore since none of the tanks will be using aggro combo for damage now.

>>379280438
>generic green field
eh i'll take the snow. current coerthas looks amazing in a clear morning

>>379280769
nice xray of your intestines

>>379280497
I can see Yoshi adding a templar class that uses 1h blunt with shields hopefully

>>379281326
Isn't Butcher's Block the strongest WAR combo?

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Hoorah.

>>379278315
The thing is nidhogg didn't care. It wasn't the betrayal that was driving him during heavensward he was fucking insane literally a manifestation of rage. He just wanted to completely wipe out ishgard he didn't care if it was justified or not

>>379281459
Storm's Path gives 20 Beast juice as opposed to 10 on most other actions.

>>379281036
>played 1.0
>was a massive pile of shit
>still had things I wish ARR would include
So much of 1.0 absolutely should never see the light of day again, but is it too much the ask for the occasional major cutscene with halfway decent animation? Or content that isn't just instanced/hallways?

Or should we throw everything aside because of the 1.0 boogeyman?

>>379281510
>He just wanted to completely wipe out ishgard
He didn't, though. He wanted to torture them. He only finally tried to kill them all because he sensed Thordan had become a primal and got scared shitless.

>>379281310
>but something about the combat looks satisfying
it doesn't look satisfying to watch, let alone play
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW5DnpidMiY

>>379281296
So you've ruined White Mage, what's the next step of your master plan?

>>379281519
Thank god, this will fix WAR babbies claiming they're doing well for spamming their aggro combo in deliverance and using the aggro bar as evidence.

>>379281084
>>379281047
>>379280905
>As they shitpost but never played
Yeah some if the terrain was copy pasted, but damn if the lighting and shading is still superior IMO. Felt like an actual world not having to load shit every 20 seconds.

Fuck snowy Coerthas.>>379280959

>>379281558
SB combat changes are similar to those of 1.17-1.18

>>379281238
The current Souleater and Delirium combos aren't really meaningfully different from each other in a way that doesn't apply to using vs not using DA on the SB Souleater combo.

People like to pretend there was some nuance to the Delirium debuff but you had to think about it maybe once a raid tier, tops.

>>379278684
That MNK set might look good on SAM.

What are some good glamours for SAM, I don't like robes that much. I was thinking of getting a full set of augmented Ironworks, hope the katana looks ok.

>>379281469
what does choco racing even get you?

>>379281596
I enjoyed the combat, but I'm not a kid that needs to spam hotbars every half a second to be satisfied.

>>379281796
a shitload of mgp
also it's kinda fun

>>379281705
then make them meaningfully different instead of merging them

making drk ARR pld is unjustifiable

>>379281781
Just get the armored sets in Stormblood that Yoshi said SAM and MNK would have.

>>379281690
>10 second load screen
>10+ second pressing W toward next area
What's even the fucking difference? Placebo.

>>379281797
Also better animations due to the slower combat, 2.5 GCD really sped them up and made them feel all floaty and garbage.

>>379280668
>>379278134
What's wrong with having the game on steam? Can't you just rebuy it from SE store to have it outside steam?

>>379281797
>u-u're a hyperactive kid lol!
Shit, son, no need to be that triggered.

>>379281796
400k MGP from the chocobo challenge logs and 1000+ MGP every 3 minutes when racing at R300. 1500+ with the Make it Rain event going on.

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>>379281108
>Dark Arts still is stupid
>Scourge is kill
>Power Slash still is dead
RIP DRK

>>379281519
>no more sexy Butcher's Block on all my combos
>have to use the gay-looking Storm's Path instead
>will never hear that sweet melody from Bloodbath's procs mixed with Overpower's hits ever again
RIP WAR too
I guess I will just play DRG, at least I still get to use heavy armor.

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>>379281658
wee wirru crasshu za heera compu -- wissu no sabaibazu rook foowaad to too yeezu obbu daabaaru asstro

>>379281887
Yeah, but what gear am I gonna use for 50-60 PotD? This is important.

>>379281932
One is black and the other is watching a cool large world and feeling it.

>Placebo
Literally not the right term for this context
Seek help

>>379281868
If HW DRK wasn't ARR PLD then neither is SB DRK, and considering that complaint didn't exist until a week ago I'm not inclined to believe anyone trying to claim they thought it was all along.

>>379281932
>What's even the fucking difference? Placebo.
FFXIII would be right up your alley.
>Why even have anything beyond a hallway in games?
>Why even have a hallway? I shouldn't have to move between fights.
>I should just instantly load to the next interesting thing!
>Awesome button! Button. Awesome. Placebo!

>>379281932
It's more 5 second load screen versus 20 second transition. But assuming that the loading times and the time it takes to move between areas are the same, the latter makes the world feel more authentic. There's nothing wrong with seamless transition, the problem 1.0 had as far as I can understand it because I never played it was that the transition areas took forever to get through because of atrocious loading times.

>>379281961
>hurr durr muh animations nobody is autistic enough to zoom in closely to see
And you are blind if you think that limp dicked handwave is the pinnacle of animations.

>2.5 GCD really sped them up
Didn't think I'd witness a reverse image of the >2.5GCD blizztards.

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Reminder in the action plan for "2.0" combat revamp was never mentioned, only shit like new engine, maps etc, it was only once alpha came out that they sprang wow-lite combat which is also technically 1.0's stamina system back on us.
>>379281961

>>379282093
HW DRK had an open dot and more than one combo.

It's actually a significant difference.

By the point you're at 123123123 (repeat forever) it presents as much choice as 11111111

with delirium present you at least had to know if you had mp to use souleater at all

now you just use souleater regardless of where your mp bar is

>>379281932
literally fuck off

>>379282183
>Why even have anything beyond a hallway in games?
Because you can put GAMEPLAY in non-hallways.

There is no fucking level design in an area transition. It has as much gameplay as a loading screen.

OST WHERE

>>379277028
nobody plays the game on steam
that's an extremely impressive number for steam

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If you wanna note 1.0's pros, I dunno if seamlessness was one of them.

>>379282308
sick argument my dude

>>379282417
fuck you
why would you ever want to look at a black screen over actual scenery that visually explains the joinder between two areas
you are such a fucking pleb it boggles the mind

>>379282415
B-but muh authenticity! Muh immersion!

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>>379282415
>1.0 lighting and bump mapping never

>>379282254
Changing 1.0's gameplay was going to fucking happen. It was a somewhat pretty looking, but slow, clunky, animation locked fucking nightmare. Like it or not, that shit doesn't fly in MMOs anymore. There's a reason ARR took off and 1.0 was a dismal fucking failure; and it wasn't just because of the 'engine, maps, etc'.

The only people who liked 1.0's battle system were a particular brand of XI-fags.

>>379282415
I kind of like the run, but damn if I would be able to stomach it every time I had to go somewhere. If transitions were fewer and further in between, maybe, but since I switch areas sometimes like a madman, no way.

>>379282415
Doesn't the aethernet system make complaints about this completely irrelevant? If you don't want to look around, just teleport.

>>379282279
If you found it rewarding and engaging to have to figure out whether you just used Dark Arts or not before you decided to hit your Delirium or Souleater combo then I guarantee that the SB of DRK will have enough complexity to stretch your brain to its limits.

Losing Scourge is only a bad thing because of how disgustingly powerful it was and how good the animation was. In terms of interesting gameplay it really could not have been worse.

>>379282502
They are both the same boring, non-interactive shit, with the black screen being the lesser of the two devils by simple virtue of it not wasting as much of your time.
If the area was meaningful, interactive, filled with this mysterious thing called GAMEPLAY instead of yet another stretch of land you press W to get through, I might give a shit.

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Just did a leveling roulette on Ifrit. Had a sprout thaumaturge that was taking their time going through the cutscene (I personally don't care but the tank was getting agitated). They were pretty interesting during the fight

>cracked ground beneath them
>they don't move
>second time it happens
>they don't move
>third time
>they don't move
>nail appears
>they keep attacking ifrit
>fair enough it's their first time
>tell them to focus nail
>they try and cast sleep on it

I love sprouts

>>379280000
Not him but what's wrong? Dropping my main for a BRD personally

>>379282236
So you never played 1.0.
The animations were nice and you type like an underage poster.

>>379282647
City aethernets didn't exist in 1.0, and teleporting used its own resource called Anima that recharged at an extremely low rate to encourage you to go on-foot whenever possible.

>>379280668
What if your friend gifted it to you through steam? Where does that place you

>>379282703
>it wasn't interesting before
>therefore making it even less interesting is good
paladin in heavensward wasn't exactly thrilling but it was still better than in ARR, you know?

>>379282727
At least the joinder area provides the opportunity for gameplay, a black screen guarantees you'll get nothing

>>379282415
>1.0
>No NPCs walking around
>Barely any extra detail around the world (signs around the Bismarck, extra tables, etc)
>No players
>B-b-b-ut mah textures and lighting!!!!
1.0 Aetheryte plaza was better looking, though.

>>379282765
I was thinking more of a dreamscenario where open transitions existed in 4.0, with all of the convieniences of 4.0 to make it more workable.

>teleporting used its own resource called Anima that recharged at an extremely low rate to encourage you to go on-foot whenever possible.
Goddamn though, they really wanted to make 1.0 "hardcore" didnt they

>>379282759
1.0's cutscenes had better animation quality.
1.0's combat fucking didn't. There is a video proof of it posted right the fuck there.

Do you know what's the sign of an underage poster? Being so insecure about your (under)age you had to slot that in every of your meek attempt at a retort.

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>>379282727
t. ADHD sufferer

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>>379281108
>>379281238
With all these direct and indirect nerfs on tanks' damage output (damage based on STR only, accessories getting limited by role, no more stat points to invest on STR/VIT/etc, penalties for stance dancing, buffs on DPS' single target damage all over the place, like SAM's skills and SCH's not-Libra, while reducing AoE damage potential of pretty much everyone), I have a feeling that YoshiP is planning to nerf enmity generation for tanks in DPS stance, and also trying to prevent big trash pulls (outside of undersized parties, at least).
So maybe tanks will be either forced to stay in tank stance while MTing, or use their enmity combos to not lose enmity to DPS jobs (possibly both).

>>379282502
Because when your PC's hardware improves, a black screen gets shorter and you lose less gameplay time, but a "seamless" transition is always going to take up the same amount of time even once hardware improves to the point where it's unnecessary and basically seamless even with a loading screen.

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>>379282728
>>they try and cast sleep on it
That's kind of adorable.

>>379282991
>how DARE you not admire these pretty noninteractive pixels hurp durp

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>>379282972
I'm talking about animations you illiterate faggot.

Damn, that projecting. Maybe you should learn to differentiate parts of a topic bring discussed at hand.

>>379282808
Bloodspiller is more interesting than Scourge.

Having four variations of one combo based on different DA usage is more interesting than having two.

It's an improvement.

>>379282815
They made the areas bigger in HW and not only did we not get more gameplay, we ended up getting less.

>>379282728
Honestly I'd like the game less if I didn't have retard parties wiping in dungeons and trials

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>>379282904
>hardcore
Tanaka's vision was always focused on the hardcore.

>>379283293
thats because the devs are shit, not because its an inherently bad idea

>>379283163
>1.0's cutscenes had better animation quality.
>1.0's combat fucking didn't (have better animation quality)
>calling anybody illiterate
You must be feeling pretty fucking stupid right now.

>>379283103
I was so taken aback by it for a few seconds before just starting to laugh. They managed to not fuck up their rotation so I'm guessing they just need more time to get used to the nuance of trials

>>379283138
Good rebuttal. Nice memetext.
I bet you shill for SSDs for this game when an old velociraptor ir high capacity hard drive does linear reads just fine too.

>>379283326
We still have the fatigue system. It's just called tomestones now.

>>379282728
>tell them to focus nail
>they try and cast sleep on it
That reminds me of running Titan HM back in 2.0. We marked the bomb with a '1' to let everyone know it was going to be the first to explode (back when that was important), and some poor DRG immediately ran over and started attacking it before exploding and being flung off the edge by Landslide.

I kinda miss those days in the DF.

>>379282415
>1.0 didnt have catboys

already a better game

I just got to the token step of my anima. What is the fastest way to get through it? Haven't done any beast tribe other than ixal.

>>379283326
Just reading that triggers me. What the fuck were they thinking?

>>379280668
I bought it through steam just so I could pay with steam wallet. I hate using their 3rd party system and double hate their crystal points shit.

Worked out fine for me.

>>379283419
>ad hominem
>retarded analogy
Good rebuttal.

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>>379282972
>1.0's combat fucking didn't
You know that most 2.0's combat animations are basically recycled from 1.0, right?

>>379283445

The fastest way is legit beast tribes, or alex gordias farm

Other than that, you're grinding tomes

>>379283519
2.0 THM looks nothing like that mosquito-brushing faggot in the video.

>>379282904
wow look at this casual who can't appreciate basic game functions being tied to an extremely limited resource for questionable reasons

>>379277028

>steam

>>379283646
>questionable reasons
It was to make you actually use the game world you underaged bitch.

anyone says 4.0 MNK is shit
that's why?
I have not seen the media yet, was that so bad?
I'm a main MNK

>>379283326
>people unironically think this was a better iteration of the game

Haven't been keeping with this game for a while, so are these new changes gonna make PLD actually fun to play now or what?

>>379283838
Stockholm syndrome.

>>379283838
>putting a cap on progression is bad!
>so glad we have based yoshi and his tomestones and raid lockouts now :)

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>>379280438
I like how every single time a 1.0 fag needs to try and remind people of "HOW FUCKING GREAT 1.0 WAS" they use this picture, which was basically the ONLY FUCKING PLACE LIKE IT IN 1.0 AND ONLY HAD A SMALL CAMP, WHICH IS WHY IT COULD BE LIKE THIS...

While ignoring the fact that the entire rest of the world was a LITERAL series of halls with small areas designed to look like bigger areas, but wouldnt even fit 15 people, all with window dressing.

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Why are cats such whores?

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>>379283373
Are you literally incapable of detecting two different posters from way back?

Also your green text makes 0 sense. Here, I'll lay out my qualms since you are shitter shattered and retarded:
I miss the good quality animations that were emphasized because of the slower combat (tbf they should have redid them for 2.0s combat, imo, they would flow better) and lighting/bump mapping obviously still is superior after all these years. Night time out in the overworld or laterned cities made it actually feel like a massive world (even if it was copy pasted).

I'm ok with the combat. There was no reason Yoshi should have honored the PS3 and gimped the game and made it feel fucking small.

There you go you tunnel visioning autist.

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>>379280438
>>379283974

>>379283984
its part of their culture, dont shame them bigot.

>>379283974
>While ignoring the fact that the entire rest of the world was a LITERAL series of halls
The Black Shroud wasn't the entire rest of the world. And it was supposed to be a maze to drive home the idea that the forest was hostile to outsiders.

I miss hamlets

>>379284079
That and more open ended dungeons.

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>>379284067
Fucker, it was everywhere. Dont kid yourself.

>>379283974
What? I wasn't trying to convince anyone about anything, I was just providing information on 1.0 Coerthas. Calm your tits.

Ul'Dah: Major event involving the Monetarist, the Sultanae ' attempted assassination and the subsequent Crystal Braves betrayal and scattering of the Scions.

Ishgard: Major expansion dedicated to its war with the Dragons.

So, when is it Gridania and Limsa's turn?

>>379283915
its funny how modern xiv has so many 1.0 aspects with a different flavor to them

the combat is basically the fatigue system, you just start at full tp and you have a gcd instead of a slow filling action bar that functions like a gcd. and then you have caps on leves, tomes, and raids. no cap on leveling itself but its not like the average person is gonna sit down and grind for hours and hours when they can just do dailies and call it a day.

>>379284015
can't imagine why this game did so badly

i mean look how big the map is

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>>379280438
There is nothing to be praised in 1.0 regions.

They were bigger because they blatantly copypasted not just smaller assets but entire landmarks and locations sometimes up to 10 times.
It wouldn't matter since you're only ever going to spend time in the 5 Leve Hotspots per map except that fast traveling was a currency based nightmare so most of the time you had to run through the giant useless areas for 10-30 minutes since personal Chocobos weren't even a thing until later patches.

There was no love put into any of 1.0's maps. Every settlement were just copy pasted huts instead of the unique shapes and structures that Sanctuary's have now. The copy pasted Landmarks weren't anything to marvel at unlike the Burning Wall or the destroyed part of the North Shroud.

Areas were also not "seemingless". At the points that would now be loading screens 1.0 had long ass tunnels that would take up to 3 minutes to run through to mask loading.

1.0 was shit and even people who liked 1.3 admit that the game only started getting good after Yoshi took over.

>>379284232
Gridania is right next door to Ala Mhigo, so they'll get their time soon.

>>379284232
pls no Limsa focused storyline, I cant stand to hear more of that shitty pirate talk.

Heres 1.0 Coerthas btw.
And you can clearly see the only 'open' spot on the map seen in >>379280438

>>379284184
>Southern Mor Dhona, West Shroud and most of Coerthas will never be back in the game
Feels weird man

>>379283915
Where in my post did I defend tomestones?

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>>379284334
forgot the pic.
my bad

>>379283823
>It was to make you actually use the game world
Yeah, instead of giving the player a good reason to explore the world, lets instead create a needlessly convoluted and universally hated system that FORCES them to do it instead! What could go wrong?

Not that ARR can claim its any better in making people explore it, but at least its teleport system isn't fucktarded

>you underaged bitch
Scathing comment from the Tanaka-drone.

>>379282995
I can't wait to stay in tank stance and press 1 2 3 all day

>>379284368
When you implied that 2.0 and onward is better because 1.0 had the fatigue system, even though it still fucking exists under another name.

>>379283908
pls respond

>>379283998
>your green text makes 0 sense
I was calling out the (presumably different) poster for thinking I wasn't talking about the animation quality when I was never NOT talking about the animation quality. You are just as retarded as him, holy shit.

>>379284184
>the same features, just rotated 90 degrees
>literally right next to each other
goddamn

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>>379283606
1.0's caster animations are awful and it's great that they got unique battle stances in 2.0, I agree with that, but most of 2.0 animations (skills' visual effects, melee animations, etc) still are recycled content from 1.0 (with some changes, like a bit more flashier, or faster than before), and they are pretty good (like Butcher's Block and Brutal Swing). RIP Brutal Swing

>>379284395
>at least its teleport system isn't fucktarded
It is, though. It completely trivializes the game world. Just zip and zap anywhere you want at any time for nearly no cost.

>>379283835
You're not really getting anything new and interesting, but your overall damage is taking a big hit without Blood for Blood and all the nerfed attack potencies. The few new skills they did add to MNK are very counter intuitive to how MNK is supposed to play. Theres a strange emphasis on using different kinds of Shoulder Tackle and one of the skills even reduces your GCD by a massive amount, effectively cancelling Greased Lightning.

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>"Hey how did Coerthas look like before ARR?"
>like this
>"WOW STOP SUCKING 1.0'S DICK YOU FUCKING FAGGOT THE GAME SUCK AND YOU SUCK FOR EVEN DARING TO SPEAK OF IT I FUCKING HATE YOU"

I JUST WANTED TO BE HELPFUL

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This is your tank is SB

>>379284458
>The only thing that changed was fatigue into tomestones
You're cucked by nostalgia or brain damage

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>>379283510
Implying your post was not entirely memery ad hominem either. Fuck off.

>>379284646
>one of the skills even reduces your GCD by a massive amount, effectively cancelling Greased Lightning.
It gives a huge damage boost though, and it's meant to be used alongside Brotherhood so you can weave Forbidden Chakras between the slower GCD. If you've ever played MNK, you know the animation on FC clips when you're in GL3.

>>379283838
1.0 fags a certain breed of XI-fag that have to deal with both XI being a shell of its former self, and 1.0 being gone forever.
That, on top of ARR being the success they wish XI and 1.0 were, has turned them into extremely bitter faggots.

But XI-fags can at least take solace in that their game was actually fun once ;;

>>379284643
It sort of makes sense in 2.0 at least because there's literally nothing of note in the game world to begin with.

>>379284638
They need to abolish WHM / BLM Shields and overhaul the Cane / Staff casting animations. Holding it with one hand for most 1-30 Skills looks really dumb.

>>379284792
Where is the memery ad hominem in this? >>379282727. Just fuck off if you can't form a coherent rebuttal.

>Actual MP management in their rotation
>Main damage combo no longer builds free, easy emnity
>Utility now requires more insight to use
>Sheltron has more depth

Is PLD more "complex" than WAR now? Is the 1-2-3 rotation stigma from ARR over?

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>>379284753
tfw drk and war is ded

>>379284764
You specifically commented on fatigue you fucking retard.

>tfw there will never a be a housing ward in Ishgard

Feel absolutely horrible 2bh lads

>>379284015
>>379283974
>>379284067
>WAH WHY DOES THIS PLACE LOOK ALL THE SAME, I DON'T CARE IF IT IS LITERALLY CALLED THE EMERALD LABYRINTH.

>>379284861
So long as PLD was main tanking and WAR was off tanking it was already more complex than WAR

>>379284902
Tomestones isn't a direct port of fatigue you fucking retard.

>>379284939
>Bad level design is okay as long as you explain it plotwise

That has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. You can make a huge confusing forest without copy pasting the same asset 100 times.

>>379284971
It's the exact same kind of progression capping you fucking retard.

>>379284872
Unless you're doing worlds first progression no tank right now is bad

Plus I think yoshi said that data is a month old and numbers may change

>>379284281
>bigger is better
Oh when will they ever learn

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>>379284939
>Ignoring that the rest of the cunting map, and every other fucking location, looked like that

lalafell are onaholes not people

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>>379285067
>one is limited to endgame content
>the other affected everything
They're not the same at all but you can keep calling me names if it makes you feel better

>>379285065>>379285148


I was joking but both 1.0 an ARR/HW maps are ass compared to GW2 even if they all had that rectangular design.

I prefer ARR zones to HW just as I'd rather have detailed smaller zones than large ones with barely anything in it. Looking at you Western Coerthas.

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>>379284939
Do you not understand that every single place was like this?

Watch this shit. THIS is literally what it was like everywhere but with different hallway dressing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti2AIhEoH9Y

>>379282995
Shirk pretty much guarantees that tanks will never have enmity issues again outside of maybe the first 30 seconds of a fight.

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>>379285148
Yeah man just look at all these hallways!!!

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>>379285218
>he thinks GW2 maps are good

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>>379285260
>>379285241
Hallways everywhere! Literally nothing but hallways!

>>379284623
>Everyone is retarded but not me
Ok champ
Like the other poster said, a majority of skill animations were lifted from 1.0.

WAR animations look all weird, especially Steel Cyclone, because they are supposed to be 1.25x longer from 1.0. So please stop being an idiot and learn what was actually imported from 1.0 and how they were changed.


Man this thread has some fucking huge Yoshidrones. Most of us 1.0 players obviously LIKE this game after all these years, we just miss some PORTIONS of 1.0 that were done well (and some really not).

Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. Yoshi should have at least done the class neutering at 2.0 instead of now at least too.

I really miss the lighting at most however, imo it made the world so much more immersive in appearance/graphics.

>>379285241
looks kinda comfy desu

>>379284638
Highlander weapon sheathed casting was cool as fuck in 1.0. They just stood there making a fist, then flung some magic. Would be a gay mage if I could still do that shit now instead of looking like some hip swaying faggot or some tickle queer fruitbag or some prancing ballerina sissy or some weird-necked nerd.

>>379284861
No. Its rotation is literally just Requiescat > Holy Spirit until low on MP, then FoF and the old 3.0 rotation. The Oath gauge can't be spent in damage so there isn't really any optimisation to be had there. None of the tanks wants to use their enmity combo now.

MNK...okay
I'll be SAM...

>>379285260
>>379285335
But anon, it's all relative. Those could just be really wide hallways :^)

>>379278487
You have to buy the expanaipns through steam, but you can use the independat launcher.

>>379285283
compared to XIV yes.

>>379285241
At least that looks like a FOREST, not like the tiny ROOMS we have now.

>>379284860
This post since you can't post chain >>379283138

>>379285241
Either I got memed into believing 1.0 had good lighting, or the game was such an unoptimized piece of shit that every one of these youtube players are running it at the lowest graphic settings because I don't see anything good about this lighting.

>>379280438

Shit was also copy-pasted as fuck and notoriously bad with zones like the shroud

So there's your answer

>>379285335
We both know that every zone had like 3 or 4 "big" empty areas, and they where only there for shit like this and served no prupose. Very few fights even happened there, and those that did where pre-scripted as no monsters spawned there

If it wasn't for 1.0 failing you wouldn't have your current game so be thankful ;_;

tips for a sprout DRG?

>>379285571
the player lighting was much much better
especially indoors
then again the models were much better then too

>>379285610
We both know you never played the fucking game and are making shit up out of your ass based on pictures of maps you never played in.

>>379285075
DRK and WAR are objectively bad now. Not 2.0 WAR bad where it literally couldn't tank, but much worse than 3.0 PLD bad. Unless they get actual skill and changes, they'll be worse than their Heavensward versions in every way but dps, which is only slightly increasing.

>>379285660
use heavy thrust
use impulse drive exclusively until you get your full 3 part combo because it does higher dps

>>379285571
the game was extremely optimized. It had some good examples of lighting here and there, but overall the strengths of 1.0 was its use to not being afraid to use bump maps

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>>379282995
>>379284415
>try to pull more than two trash groups in lv.70 SB dungeon
>potency penatiles due to too many targets on DPS' AoE skills start to show its effects
>tanks can't generate enough enmity with their AoEs anymore due changes on damage calculation (PLD's new AoE don't even have generate extra enmity)
>open OF to see people's reaction over these changes
>RESPECT THE CONTENT
>THANK YOU YOSHIP FOR KILLING THIS TOXIC BEHAVIOR
>IM REALLY HAPPY WITH THESE CHANGES, HEALING DURING BIG PULLS WAS SO SCARY

You know ARR/HW has a lot of copypasta too right?

I just started playing for the first time and I want the Gambler outfit (and the bunny girl outfit). What's the best way to grind MGP during the event?

>>379285561
I don't see why a post that's "t. ADHD" would deserve a more polite response, or why it would be an appropriate response to an entirely serious post >>379282727 higher up in the chain.

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1.2x had better class and encounter design but that's about it. the fact that you could raid a dungeon on war and then switch to pld to fight the boss or play bard during trash to speed up the group and switch to a more suited heavier damage dealer on bosses was much better use of being able to play all jobs on one character. this allowed for more class diversity instead of every role functioning nearly the same since players crying their class wasn't the best at all times had no excuse not to just switch to a better class for the situation if they cared that much.

>>379285702
Sure buddy. I dont remember the quests half being told via linkshell despite you being infront of the quest givers or the tons of menu shit we had to go through, or even the fact that the fucking UI was server based and had a tendency to have fucking load times on high server strain.

Keep telling yourself that and go back to XI while your at it

>>379285753
i already have the thrust rotation
level 34

>>379285801
Nobody notices because zones are only a few feet wide.

>>379277028
ESO, compared to the other two, isn't region locked, at least in my region

I'm looking forward to playing the SB storyline as a SAM.
*unsheathes katana
*nods respectfully

>>379284939
wow look at all that shit you missed by being able to teleport everywhere

truly makes me wonder what could have been

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>>379285241
>All these loading tunnels

Wow, these areas are so huge and seemless.

I wish I wasn't at work so I could have posted my 1.0 screenshots.

I will post them in about 3 days.
Please look forward to it.

>>379285859
>players crying their class wasn't the best at all times had no excuse not to just switch to a better class for the situation if they cared that much.
They still don't have an excuse. They can switch before queueing for whatever fight they're doing. They just don't want to do it because they don't understand the fucking point of the armoury system. Instead, everything needs to play exactly the same so nobody gets hurt feelings about their main.

>>379285761
Allowing people to aoe down everything but the bosses was a mistake to begin with. It was cancer in wow, and it is cancer here.

What are the chances LoV is reworked?
It's obvious a lot of work went into it but it's just too complex for what is essentially a minigame

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>>379282728
>tell them to focus nail
>they try and cast sleep on it

>>379285761
>Not REALLY MRHAPPY
Damn, anon. You were so close.

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>>379284015
>Start playing FFXIV
>Be poor as fuck
>Teleport wastes animas
>Rent a chocobo
>Go to that fucking forest
>mfw "your chocobo time is about to expire"

>>379286107
I would be fucking furious if they dedicated more fucking dev resources from taking another god damn dungeon away into LoV again.

Ayylmao

PLD has 562.5 potency/GCD,
WAR has 458.7 potency/GCD,
DRK has 430.6 potency/GCD,

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17OmsAnO1fw8_Mh9dNydyH07F0j8WO1r-2lMC5KX-a1U/edit#gid=698917636

>>379286042
they'll try to make an excuse since the differences between 1.2x and now is you have to play that job once you enter the instance. being able to switch in dungeons is so much more freedom by comparison that anyone still making excuses probably knows they are being a gigantic faggot.

The biggest mistake was Yoshi making the official forums and keeping classes instead of renaming them to job names like he originally intended, people were retarded and thought by renaming them they would need to start from level 1 again.

This legit happened.

>>379285463
if there's nothing between you and the destination then it's just a very wide hallway 2bhfam

>>379285705
DRK is objectively better at both mitigation and offtank DPS than it was in HW, even if you take the media event tooltips at face value (which is really dumb to begin with, eg: Fight or Flight).

>>379285571
It didn't have dynamic lighting. The only things casting shadows were players and indoor objects with baked in shadows. Also don't believe this faggot: >>379285756

The game had atrocious performance and the dev team was so incompetent that flower pots became an in-joke among players because they had such a disproportionate amount of polygons compared to everything else that more than 2 in one room meant a performance drop of 50%.

This is all incredibly easy to google so don't let these pranksters fool you.

>>379285660
Keep heavy thrust up all the time. If you don't have your full 3-step combo yet use impulse drive since it'll do more damage.
Once you have your two combos at level 50 you'll want to do the one ending in Chaos Thrust first, since it'll apply debuffs.

Your basic rotation will look like
Apply heavy thrust > Impulse drive + disembowel + chaos thrust > true - vorpal - full thrust until it's time to reapply buffs and debuffs.

At 60 you'll have an ability called Blood of the Dragon which gives you an extra move at the end of these combos, and increases the duration of BotD.

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>>379286274
Oh nice, more material for tank shitposting. The old stuff was getting repetitive.