MMO THREAD

what's the latest thing if you're suddenly going to have a lot of time on your hands?

>>379229654
>suddenly
summer :3

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>>379229654
Depends what setting your after?
Any particular favourites in the sci-fi / fantasy genres?
Also do you like grinding / leveling / raiding / large scale PvP / Socialising?

>>379229726
no, surgery

>>379229792
uh, I played virtually every big theme park mmo between 2005-2010 and probably a lot more. not that social usually but i'm willing to try pretty much anything

>>379230042
That's not alot to go on anon.
If you want recommendations you'll have to be more specific.

>>379230432
Not him, but recommend me something with a good community.

What's a fun game to play if you've entered your bi-annual loneliness phase and idealize the idea of enjoying a rich social life online with less constraints than those which govern in-person social interactions, but actually you'll play the MMO like a single-player game because you're still anti-social regardless of what you think you want, and also has fun crafting?

FFXIV need not apply, the crafting was okay for a while but I burned out on it.

>>379229505
I gave up on another MMO coming out that would ever satisfy me again. That's why I decided to make my own, which is a totally not retarded idea.

>>379230835
Lord of the Rings Online
Dungeons & Dragons Online (It's shit)

Anything that's over 5 years old and would attract a more mature audience basically.

is there an mmo where I can progress simply by doing something like fishing, and possibly make a living in the game with that?

>>379231316
Thanks.

>>379231493
Why not go fishing in real life?

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>>379232572
>tfw like fishing but feel like a monster when killing my catches

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>>379232824
just don't put bait

>>379232824
catch and release man

>>379232981
that's not fishing

>>379233051
he'd still hurt the fish pretty hard, it's like piercing its mouth

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>>379232981
>>379233051
I've had fish swallow hooks, its fucked up senpai.

>>379233135
mmm idk if there are special baits for fishing and releasing, like the one a vet could use for some study on a lake (ya know, when they chip an animal and release it)

>>379233168
Apparently, best practice is to cut the line and release it:

https://www.thoughtco.com/catch-and-release-unhook-fish-properly-1310783

>>379233338
I know it's not true but now I'm just picturing all these fucked up hipster fish in the lake or tributary with fish hook piercings complaining about this one asshole who does it, suffocating them and then throwing them out.

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PSO on Ephinea.

also waiting for the jedi publish for SWGEmu.

>>379234467
How is this?

>>379234565
It's better than PSO2 in my opinion.

People focus on the game, so it's not supremely social. I was in a /v/ discord for it, but I'm pretty sure the discord is kill.

It's very fun.

Probably gonna cave and by early access to Crowfall on Friday

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Grinding that awful heart on Cairn so I can get my legendary armor on GW2

>>379231493

runescape

Anyone play Project Gorgon?

>>379232824
>>379233154
>>379233168
fish don't feel pain

>>379229505
nothing at the moment. Went through a brief stint of Archage and Black Desert. Also played ESO for all of 10 minutes last week then uninstalled.

>>379229505
I've been playan grindframe and I just got done building Nekros prime.
>Levelin'
nekros prime, dread, vasto, and twin skanas
>Grindin'
Relics for that sweet sweet plat payout
>Raidin'
Do derelicts count as raids?
>PvPin'
I don't really do lunaro
>RPin'
Magic space ninja?

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>>379229505

is there even a good mmorpg out there anymore?

I just want to play one that focus on exploration, making buddies and reading up quests in order to do them.

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Champions Online. It's still active because of the open world raid they revamped last year.

Playing Guild Wars 2 F2P, on a mission to complete the world map, about 80 percent done, deathline next monday (when E3 begins) trump will remember me as his worst nightmare, viva México.

>>379229505
good taste good taste op
do moors still get pvp often?

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>>379235275
Same here my dude

>>379234780
>fish don't feel pain
Yes they do.

>>379235904
Not in their lips they don't.

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>>379235275
>>379235839
Why not pick a mmo that is on life support and explore the world? You're probably not going back to that mmo anyways, so why not?

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>>379234697
Posting on this thread gave me good luck. Thanks Mr Skeletal

>no porn mmo

>>379236365
Kabod Online try to be like this. There was also Scarlet Blade, which is probably shut down. TERA with nude mod is your best luck.

Just got back into GW2, looking to try raiding. Anyone want to be friends? Maybe steam friends?

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>every time I think I'm free of SWTOR it pulls me back

I've dabbled in WoW, FF14, ESO, BDO and a couple others, but nothing's as fulfilling as SWTOR for some reason.

>>379235275
DDON but you gotta know moonrunes if you wanna read stuff beyond menus and basic quest descriptions.

>>379231493

Runescape is the obv answer. Black desert online fishing (seems to be) mostly a "what should my character do while I sleep" activity.

playin' BDO after a year of absence wondering if there's any way to reduce the extremely noticeable pop-in yet

>>379230906
black desert

im just like you and its what i'm playing

>>379236875

SSD

>>379236910
i did not actually expect a response, thanks anon. i got turned off by the idea of the p2w or p2look cute or whatever it was that was going on with the cash shop. how bad is it?

>>379236292
just asking, is the vg guild still alive?

>>379233168
Use non barbed hooks senpai
Makes getting the fish off easier, and unless you are a dingus who cant keep tension on the line you are doki doki

>>379235608
Is this character part of the game?..... asking for a friend

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NOVA RO
COME JOIN /ROG/ ON THE BEST SERVER

>>379236986
i ignore that. it doesn't bother me. i think my character looks cute enough and i have no problem slaughtering the creatures when i'm grinding.

i honestly don't know how you'll find it but i like the game and usually i don't like MMOs.

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>>379237081
Whatever the character creation system allows you to. Of course, some costume parts can only be found in in the cash shop, like the head for this character.

>>379230432
different anon here im looking for decent pvp
friends have said bdo gets good at endgame but its asshole before that but im not inclined to believe them due to their taste

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I sometimes play Ember Online.

It's a GMUD with pictures and an auto-map, quests, banks, an account system etc.

It's pretty good. Based off of Realms of Kaos, a GMUD from the late 90's-2001.

Similar to nightmist or other muds, however the map is really a godsend. You can click everything and use numpad to zip around. You can roll different races and classes to min/max whatever stats you want.

Unique monsters that drop their weapons or armor, clans, pk-ing, an account and bank system between alts, etc.

It's ok for every now and then.

>>379236915
does it really make that much of a difference? I mostly just use my SSD for windows, never thrown any games on it despite a spare 60 gigs left

>>379237128
I dislike bdo for the simple fact that half the quests are those trade/crafting quests. I know I can completely ignore that, but going into a town with 500 ! points is irritating. I kinda just want to venture off and kill, but I go off the path and start mining rocks for an hour...

I can't decide if I love or hate this game.

>>379236996
What VG guild?

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>>379237279

Time to rp

>>379231493
BDO you can do this.

I actually did just that at release.

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If you're not getting ready for Stormblood right now, you have no business calling yourself a fan of MMO's.

>>379237952
If you're playing WoW or a WoW-clone you have no business calling yourself a fan of MMO's.

>>379236875
Turn on high end mode. There's still pop in but it's much better

>>379237952
>>>/ffxiv/
>>>/vg/

>>379235958
How convenient that you tell yourself fish don't feel intense pain the very part you're shoving metal trough.

>>379237324

except for when I was on a horse, it felt almost non existant on an SSD.

I'm playing a Private server called PrimalWoW - its down for maintenance and goes into TBC at 6pm EST Tomorrow, pretty stoked desu.

>>379237128
>>379237586
I just scoped BDO out and people on Steam are complaining about the anti-cheat. Is it an actual problem?

>>379237952
Or we could just not feel like giving our money to a game that charges 60 bucks per expansion, 20 for the base game, charges 15 bucks a month, and has microtransactions.

Nor all of us are delusional faggots who think Shill Enix deserves money these days.

>>379238132
I've never had an issue with the anti-cheat.

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>>379229505
>Playin'
Runescape
>Levelin'
General skills, Menaphos just came out so I'm doing my sightseein' there
>Grindin'
Rep in factions
>PvPin'
Cursed energy bots on my alt
>Raidin'
Doing daily Sinkholes and some DG
>RPin'
nigga that's gay

>>379238198
If you can't afford it, I understand, but it's a pretty good game.

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>>379229505
>Levelin'
Last job I leveled was RNG I believe.

>Grindin'
There's an upcoming event for Vagary in XI which I have yet to clear, so I'll be trying to do plenty of that once it starts.

>Raidin'
Omen/Helm NMs is the closest things to raiding in modern XI but it's pretty difficult to snipe a spot as DD unless you're in a static or dedicated LS. I still need Utu grip so I'll be running Kin as soon as I see some shouts for it.

Destiny :)

WHERE CAN I FIND THE BEST CRAFTING

I was enjoying lotro for a while but Helms Deep is still 40 bucks to buy and I dont see an expansion sale coming up anytime soon so it will continue to sit in purgatory

>>379238553
SWG. Best crafting system out there. I don't know if Istaria is still one of the top.

>>379238605
Do you not get all the content for free via subcscription? I'm genuinely curious how they do that.

playin xiv while fishing in sea of clouds. very comfortable

>>379238605
>>379238719
I said "free" but I mean with the subscription fee

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>try to do crafting in black desert
>it's shit and overly complicated
>go back to jackin it to my waifu

>>379229505
>Levelin'
>Grindin'
>PvPin'
>Raidin'
>RPin'

You forgot >Mournin'

WAR online private server
Pretty good, all pvp brackets are populated

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>>379229505
>Levelin'
I guess Eve? I only really play her now.
>Grindin'
Too burnt to grind.
>PvPin'
I hate Elsword PvP.
>Raidin'
Raid Bosses haven't been renewed in months. Fuck, release a new one goddammit.
>RPin'
Guild is dead as fuck. I'm an admin and I can partially manage shit but the GM left the game after going into his second year of uni. I stay for the guild buffs I guess, but it is nice to have the private guild base to myself.

id eat shit to have monster hunter on pc or console

>>379239763
It's fine just commit identity theft and play on the korean servers for frontier.

Any decent MMOs on Steam? I tried Wakfu but the Steam version is apparently shit and I couldn't start

>>379240267

why specifically on steam?

>>379240267
What mmo isn't in STEAM nowadays? Most are in steam to get a bump up in the population

>>379240419
Easier to launch, Steam overlay, just quality of life stuff.

>>379240473
That's why I'm asking for recommendations, some have wonky Steam versions requiring you to use their own launcher and others are just shit

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>>379236686
needed a break anyway

>>379237279
>No telnet, web, or linux front end
I kind of wanted to give it a go when I was mudding recently but only have a shitty linux EEE currently.

>>379240932
youre so edgy, how do you do it?

Is there any mmo with the same pacing as old Maplestory, where you'd spend a solid weekend on the same map killing the same lines of enemies just for a few levels after running out of quests?

>>379241134
How is that edgy, we were discussing euthanasia in general and someone brought up overpopulation, the allah akbar one I don't remember

>>379241134
13 whole years of existence

How's Blade & Soul doing these days?

>>379229505
currently fighting off urges to level healing jobs in XIV, so that I don't get burned out before the expansion

>>379241249
Wurm Online. How would you like spending a month burrowing a single mountain pass tunnel?

Does anyone play P1999 EverQuest?

Just started an Erudin Magician and it's really comfy to just chill out and grind.

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>>379241249
P1999 if you solo

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>>379241513
>>379241134
I'm in my 30s and type those 3 phrases almost daily. It just happens.

Played a bit of BDO recently, got to 53 and gave up. I noticed how most of the good stuff is locked in the cash shop with ridiculous price tags. Besides all the crafting was fine, but whats the point? I have over 50 mil silver and nothing to spend it on. Also horrible, almost non-existant itemization and no pve endgame or decent co-op was the finishing blow. When Tomb of Sargeras comes out I'm going back to WoW. Now playing some Tree of Savior to kill time - 4 job levels until my monk.

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>>379236996
Yes and No, the /vg/ was killed by the /vg/ guild. the latest "ebin ruse xDDD" is to spam each thread with bots. Pic related is also running around and there is pretty much nothing left.

Do yourself a favor and find a guild of normalfags. They are a million times more tolerable then the cringey shits called HOPE.

<>< lvls?

>>379242960
13

>>379243191
nice

>>379243191
nice

>>379243191
nice

>>379243191
nice

>>379242818
I spent 50 bucks for that one middleground founder pack, which is box price for most games, on BDO when it came to the US. I expected absolutely no pay2win of any kind, no matter how small due to the fact that shit had a minimum price tag of like 30 bucks. In the end, I learned a valuable lesson: don't spend money on Korean MMOs.

What are some MMOs where I can jump straight into PvP, no leveling up?

>>379235275
If you want good quest lore/quests that actually require research outside of the game itself, try The Secret World.

>>379243729
If this was 2005 or above, Guild Wars 1 had the option to allow players to create a PvP character and play right away. And no, I wouldn't recommend GW 2 since that is P2W in the PvP realm and the incompetent dev ruin PvP.

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WoW is actually fun, but they bog it down with retarded grindy, mobage sub-systems to keep you subbed, that end up ruining the entire game.

XIV is bland, generic, and boring, but gets the job done and is inoffensive enough to keep me from cancelling my sub.

TESO is actually pretty fucking enjoyable and fun, but is more like Destiny than it is like WoW or XIV. It lacks the deep combat and encounter design that keeps me playing games like WoW and XIV. It also helps that it's B2P. I heartily recommend it to anyone who wants a break from other MMOs.

Black Deseret is abhorrent, abysmal bullshit. All Korean/Chinese MMOs are abhorrent, abysmal bullshit.

Crowfall will probably end up either good or okay, but is almost entirely PvP, so I'm not very interested.

Ashes of Creation might be a scam/disaster, but I backed it anyway and it was my first kickstarter pledge to boot. I'm desperate.

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Who actually defends the state of MMORPGs in 2017? This genre is by and far the gutter pits of contemporary vidya with regards to frequency of content updates, re-playability and overall game quality.

On another note: what kind of new MMORPGs are any of you even holding out for at this point? Expansions?

I'm waiting on the gummycraft tbc beta that starts on friday but not sure I'll play that much. Hope the launch is soonish afterwards but reserving my hype in case of disaster.
Also waiting for the jedi publish on swgemu, but everytime I go back I get reminded how fucked the economy is since they let everyone multibox - which ruins some of the essentials of what makes SWG work so well.

I keep meaning to check back in with haven & hearth but the RL buddy I was playing with isn't into it, and hermiting is fun but only for so long. Plus tough to get motivated to learn all of the changes (they re-arrange everything pretty often it seems) when it's just me.

>>379244226
Black Desert's private server Ogrefest is actually pretty top tier. It does a bang-up job of filtering out all the Korean.

>>379241134
Almost all of those are valid opinions tho

>>379244365
>hat kind of new MMORPGs are any of you even holding out for at this point?
Some of all of these may turn out to be shit, but they're ones I'm interested in, I'm generally into more sandbox oriented games but open to others:
>darkfall: new dawn
>crowfall
>ashes of creation (possible scam)
>chronicles of elyria
>camelot unchained
>the repopulation (doubt it)
>the new world (amazon sandbox mmo, not a lot of into on it yet is out but the basic blurb sounded great)

I'm sure I'm forgetting some obvious ones. Like I said, all of those may end up garbage so I'm not necessarily hyped but I'm hopeful at least one of those turns out to be not-shit.

Daily reminder that you will never be sucked into an MMO world Log Horizon style. You will never leave this horrid reality until you die.

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>>379244365
I'll never understand this hatred of the genre.
Can someone explain to me why so many people on /v/ feel like MMOs are a personal blight upon their lives? Is it because they enjoyed them until the respective companies ruined that particular MMO for them?
Only logical none autistic thing i can think off.

>>379244918
Pretty much.
Imagine investing hundreds of hours and then the dev coming and shitting on it all with his p2w shop, dumbing the game down, making a themepark MMO a grindfest etc.

>>379229505
Torn between playing on a vanilla, tbc, or wrath private server right now. There's a different class I'd like to play on each one.
What I'd really like to do is find a good roleplay community for a fun MMO but I doubt that's happening any time soon. Tabletop games have spoiled me when it comes to quality RP adventures.

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>>379235720
If you're still here yeah PvP is still rather busy, especially since they merged loads of servers together.

>>379229505
It's not really a conventional MMO (We have to let those die off anyways), but Black Desert has been a positive suprise for like 5 dollars.
>Not much player interaction, but it's not like any MMOs today do. This lets them try out new things though
>Very runescapeish comfy grind if thats your thing, with an option to just afk grind with less results or do more interactive grinding for better results
>Literally the best combat in any MMO
because they don't have to focus on balancing between pvp and pve. This is the doom of MMOs in my opinion, balancing between raid and pvp content, so all the skillsets end up being toned down and boring
>Fun economy side where you build you empire of workers and choose which traderoutes to open and what raw resources to work on so you can make shit out of em

There's a ton of things that make the game easier on people who pay money, like only being able to go beyond 40 inv slots or something with money, getting pets that autoloot, basically being tied to like two sets of gear all game unless you pay for cosmetics and the p2w thing, a suit that hides your nametag ingame. But I think people jump on the bandwagon to judge the korean style gameplay when they know exactly how its gonna be, not seeing all the potential the game offers you because all they see is the grind.

>>379236686
Isn't SWTOR basically just a single player game

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Post your Playtime /v/
Don't be afraid.

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>>379244842
I actually didn't know that there was anything out about the amazon project. You think they'll say anything about it at E3? I remember the last mmo that I remember caring about which showed some stuff at E3: Everquest Next. That turned out pretty well. Sarcasm aside, I've been curious, but ultimately I can't trust it.

>>379244918
More or less. MMORPGs have ultimately become the most sterile games to ever exist in vidya in the contemporary age. MMO developers are almost wholly player-excluding and the management and playerbase favors cliques and echochambers. This creates a really sterile environment that doesn't really ever change because of how players aren't really given any tools to influence the game themselves. Thinking about it, I bet a Valve mmo would be pretty good (if Valve made games anymore) simply because they'd probably make a bunch of the in-game assets available to players to toy around with offline or in isolated, local servers. You just never see player-driven content creation in MMORPGs like you do in some other games.

>Wah its not sandbox

Fuck off, I will never give a shit.

>>379244365
MMORPGs are fun because I'm not a normie, so I want people to witness the effort I put in my MMO character, and when you have a ton of free time it's nice to have a main afk game. And if you're a NEET it's nice if the game also offers you a social experience besides meeting a bunch of randoms when you queue up that swear at you in subhuman slavspeak.

I'm waiting for WoW to die, then eventually it's copycats to also die, so we can move away from this boring targetting/rotation based combat system in our big MMOs

how is BDO?

>>379245571
Bad.
Good combat, no pve end-game, pay2win, pay2notlooklikeshit, past 56 the very definition of a grind.

>>379245564

What kind of combat do you want then? Something more fluid with switching targets based on proximity or vulnerability? Because that's stupid. People will focus with targetting and rotating because it maximizes dps if you have to waste time switching targets.

>>379245697
thanks for saving me time then anon

>>379245564
>He thinks WoW is holding back MMO's and keeping tab targetting around and not fundamental problems with how networking and security works

Sorry friend, you will never see DMC: The MMO

>want to try FFXIV
>no ass slider
I though Japan is perverted???

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>>379231493
Wurm Online if you like simulating a medieval life

Elder Scrolls Online if you just want to fuck around.

Litterally the only thing i do is fish, gut fish, see what i get from fish, sell that shit in the market, buy food recipes from the market, gather ingredients out in the wild (hunting or just picking plants), making food and selling high quality food and the rest of it go into a tavern, RP a bit with some faggots, give them food, they escort me to some dungeons and i get loot that i can sell later on to fund my decorating of my house.

I been doing this shit for a long time now and i am like level 35 or so.

Also my weapon is a broom and i havent unequiped that shit since i got it.

Is pretty comfy to play, no stress to get high level, quests are fun, all the world open to explore from the get go.

>>379245458
>I actually didn't know that there was anything out about the amazon project
Well you haven't missed much, but they did reveal the name and a bunch of concept art and a video talking about it and shit. Way too little to be hyped, but still sounds neat.
That they've jacked so many good devs from other projects gives me hope, and a big company throwing money at a sandbox mmo is kind of rare so I'm pretty curious.
You can google and find more info, I wouldn't be shocked if they didn't talk about it at E3 as that would make sense. It may also be that they don't release much info until it's further in its development as they've mentioned they want to make a big splash. So I guess I don't know shit about shit.

>>379245458
Remember in like Ultima Online, when Richard Garriott logged on as the king of the realm, and one time he forgot to turn on invincibility, so he got killed and it became a real thing with GMs hunting down the murderer

Or in Everquest (I think) when people used to barricade town exits with furniture to make people pay a toll

The whole purpose was to create an actual world, but devs need to pander to everyone who feels upset when someone came up with a good idea before them. Like I've been playing on vanilla wow servers where people make mafias on both factions to control all of a certain type of rare leather. Imagine the whining if people did that today

>>379237952
ffxiv is terrible, even less substance than WoW. just a cheap coat of paint. anyone who plays this game is either literally a faggot, either under 18 or "in uni" or a girl who never played an actual MMO and has very little interest in gaming

>>379235275
>I just want to play one that focus on exploration, making buddies and reading up quests in order to do them.

I would say Tibia in a new retro server.

If not ESO, explore the world, have fun with quests and buddy up.

>>379244842
Shit, i forgot
>gloria victis
>life is feudal
>identity

Playing on the new Burning Crusade server on Warmane. Very comfy.

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>>379245941
>Like I've been playing on vanilla wow servers where people make mafias on both factions to control all of a certain type of rare leather. Imagine the whining if people did that today
The world needs another E.V.E.

>>379245941
>Preventing others from playing the game by literally locking them in a room to grief is a good thing

Jesus anon you are such a fucking faggot

Bet you're one of those shitters that always plays rogue to gank low level players that can't possibly fight back

>>379246136
Didn't they try that with archage?

>>379231493
FFXIV
Fisher's make a shit ton of money.

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>>379244842
>ashes of creation (possible scam)
I doubt this is a scam at this point, if it is, it's a REALLY intensive scam for not a lot of money. I think (at worst) it's just the pie in the sky dream of an MMO loving weirdo that'll end up like Star Citizen, intentionally or not, with a half-finished abortion of an alpha in mid 2019 or something.

>They have a nice, furnished studio space with people already working obviously, and they bought it and got set-up BEFORE the kickstarter ended
>They have already hired more people
>They already have a work-in progress footage of their core systems and shit, and they update their youtube constantly
>All the cries of (3 million isn't enough to make an MMO!" are invalid, because they already had funding, and the kickstarter was just to add additional features and polish
>They never added additional stretch goals after their initial ones, and declined to add more because it would just cause feature creep. (If it was a scam they'd keep promising cool shit in new stretch goals to keep people donating, not doing so showed them to be realistic)
>Already saying it's going to be a subscription MMO with a cosmetic cash shop (being upfront with a harder to swallow payment option, rather than "IT'S BUT TO PLAY, NO SUB FEES EVER XD" and no "PRE-ORDER YOUR KICKSTARTER EXCLUSIVE CASTLE/SHIP FOR $500"
>Despite all the meme-making it's actually NOT a "YOU CAN DO ANYTHING XD" sandbox MMO, It's more like a theme park with some sandbox elements laid on top

I actually have decently high hopes.

>>379235904
There nervous system is not developed enough to feel pain and suffering on the same level that humans do, What we would see as pain would just be their fight/flight response. Not suffering.

>>379246226
I knew that game was going to be supertrash the moment I saw how the skill system worked. I actually didn't put much stock into seeing how it turned out. Sailing boats on land was pretty cool, though.

>>379245707
Of course it can't be completely balls to the walls CUHRAYZE, but who cares if it's easiest to focus with targeting and rotating? People are fighting for whos doing 0.2% more dps by stopping a cast just before it finishes. Wouldn't it be way cooler to have an actual skillceiling and a challenging skillcap so people who really want to get good can stand out, and there's more interesting ways to improve than make macros to shorten your downtime between casts from 0.1 seconds to 0.05 seconds?

Black Desert is a great example of a fluid system that will never become popular because a large studio in the west could never push an MMO like that when WoW is still alive. Not to say that Black Desert doesn't have problems, but it's a good start.

Also what about things we aren't even thinking of yet? First person? Even a shooter? Sure, these have been done before, but realistically a person isn't paying for 2 subs, and doesn't want to sacrifice the scale and quality of WoW, so companies aren't ready to go all in on the market yet.
>>379245819
How does security and networking stop people from inventing new MMO systems? Hell, companies have, but an MMO can't succeed before WoW dies, unless a company takes an unrealistically HUGE risk in money and time investment

>>379244506
wait, black desert has private servers?

>>379229505
>Levelin'
PLD 31 currently
Also going to tackle some crafting skills this week. Cooking, Alchemy, Fishing maybe. I have some more to consider here.
>Grindin'
Dungeons but hopefully I'll be able to amass & build later.
>PvPin'
Hopefully FFXIV isn't completely abhorrent
>Raidin'
A noob's dreams at present
>RPin'
Idk if it is RP per se but I'm going for the best 'mmo dive' of my life. At least focusing on that to the point of forcing it for the next month. I hope to get addicted once again. I like the escape from irl. I simply want to exist on Eorzea for awhile.

>>379229505

>>379246614

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>>379235618
Yeah, GW2 is also my only MMO at the moment. I'm holding out for Secret World Legends, though.

>want to try out black desert
>it's still not available in my region
for fucks sake

I read something about them doing some global beta test but it's only in china or taiwan
doesn't sound very global to me

>>379246705
>PLD 31 currently
>Leveling Paladin

Why? Literally the max-simpleton move to make.

>Currently Awful
>Awful to level
>Putting all of you eggs into the "SB will save PLD" basket
>Regardless of how SB changes PLD, it'll still be more enjoyable to level
>Literally no benefit to leveling it before SB, especially considering the long-ass dead period before end-game content opens up

>>379246827
It's shit.

>>379246445
>Why cant the devs just make dark souls bosses for enemies?!

Because it's not client side you goober, every mob handles everything server side. The more complicated pathfinding and AI behaviors you put in, the more strain is going to be put on the server. Add in that anything other players have to do being networked to everyone else and you have people getting out of sync incredibly easy, which makes the game look unattractively buggy and unpolished. So then you need more robust servers in more locations for better ping and it just goes on and on

When everything is clientside or handled via peer to peer, you can load all the strain on the player's machine and everything is nice and responsive. MMO open worlds don't have that.

It's not a design problem, it's a "this is logistically improbable" problem

What anons think of PSO2?

>>379247032
I heard but I still want to try it

>>379230906
Everquest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Pib1DwGsqE

>>379229505
>tfw social anxiety
>tfw to autistic to rp

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>>379247091
Instanced content will always be king until we get faster-than-light data travel. I don't know why people keep buying into the open-world meme. We need more Guild Wars 1s with a small collection of special-content, open-world zones rather than building the whole world around a sprawling, latency-dragging environment.

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>>379245232
> but Black Desert has been a positive suprise for like 5 dollars.

Its 10 on steam right now, which surprised me. There's still no monthly fee right?

>>379246974
I'm playing with none of that in mind. I don't know what changes are being made nor do I know how to use any of the skills beyond my level.
Even if it isn't viable at max level, it's the choice that feels most fit for what I want out of the game right now.
I'm playing for pure escape/fun right now.

>>379229505
tried FF
whoever thinks that shit if fun is a fucking retard

>>379248369
No monthly fees

What are the active MMOs nowadays?

As much as I love Runescape. I feel like giving others a go

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Are people still playing Guild Wars or is it a lost hope?

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Man I can't believe True Fantasy Live is still going so strong and is already on it's 10th expansion.

You'd think they'd have gone stale after the tower of griffons and the lair of the draco witch but no each one continues to push the fantasy genre as well as the MMO genre to new heights. I can't believe how innovative and magical they keep manage to make these things.

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>>379249070
I tried to work on making a legendary weapon
I gave up once I finished world completion

>>379248958
WoW and XIV are the most consistently active. BDO, GW2 and ESO are all decently active as well. Everything else is pretty ded.

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>>379249170
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE REAL GUILD WARS YOU PIECE OF SHIT FUCK JUST FUCKING DROWN IN A VAT OF CHARR SEMEN YOU APOLOGIST SCU%M

>>379249321
kek

>>379249070
Just treat it like a single player game with the player interaction as trading. They might as well release the entire game as F2P

>>379249070
I re-installed GW1 some weeks ago. In spite of the super-clunky tank controls and no jumping, I'm truly shocked at how sloppy the movement is in GW2 coming from the first game. Shit is fucking tight in 1 while everything feels like molasses in 2. It really shows how movement, positioning and timing actually mattered in 1. Super dead game, though. At least heroes can keep the PvE content going.

>>379248910

Well Ive spent 10 bucks on dumber things.

>>379229505
Is that LOTRO?

>>379238643
SWG is dead and the emu is full of faggots.

How's Aion doing these days?
I remember the endless sleepless nights of PvP in the Abyss sieging fortresses and zerging dumbass elyseans and shit
Is the game still up and running in the West or is it just bothaven?

>>379248369
I see all this hate for BDO, and maybe because I'm new, but I'm enjoying it a lot.

Maybe I wish there was more group content, but it's still really enjoyable for me.

>>379248827
XI or XIV

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BAD GAMES AHOY

>>379249916
xiv

>>379249070
I've been considering going back to it and rolling a new character. There's still a good amount of content I never got to see since I stopped playing just as EotN was releasing.

>>379250246
I played the first and second worlds of that shit. The mechanics were ridiculous but you could make swastikas with the skeletons of your enemies so that was p neat. Only game I enjoyed playing with 4chan.

I'm about to start playin' fucking Runescape up again, I swear to God.

Not many games fill in the checkboxes of punishing you for death, sizable sandbox, and classless progression while also providing lods of content.

Alternatively thinking about trying FFXIV again. I had been playing EVE for 10+ years but am hanging it up due to no longer having the time for it - game requires most all of your free time, no matter how much I love it, with grad school and taking on a new job I don't want a part time job waiting for me at home every night. I'm spread thin enough as-is.

Anyone know of anything I might like? Had been looking at a couple of the upcoming sandboxy medieval/fantasy games coming out but forgot their fuckin' names, so can't very well keep tabs on them.

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>>379246376

When did buy to play become a bad thing? Seems like the less jew option unless you're FF14 devs and charge for the game AND demand a monthly fee. Also you sound like a whale on a hook no offense. I mean if I was a dev I'd love to take your money too.

>>379250701
it got extremely good at world 3 and 4, then started wobbling about and right now it's in 3D and really fucking stupid

>>379250925
>Seems like the less jew option unless you're FF14 devs and charge for the game AND demand a monthly fee.

i.e., literally how MMOs have worked since the dawn of time

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>>379231493
Pretty sure, haven't played in a while. It's comfy though

>>379250969
Last thing I really remember was when they added caves and shit. Building in caves was rad.

>>379244538
>almost

>>379250925
What about me sounds like a whale? That's a legitimately retarded thing to say, especially considering the game isn't anywhere close to being out.

B2P isn't a bad thing, but if a Kickstarter says it's B2P, it incentives backers. The fact that they're upfront about having a sub-fee and a cosmetic shop shows me they're more interested in being honest than generating hype to get more money.

If they were interested in simply getting more pledges they'd say something like: "NO SUB FEES AND CONTINUOUS CONTENT UPDATES FOR FREE, FOREVER. THE OLD DAYS OF MMOS ARE GONE."

Has anyone tried that new Crossout game? I'm desperate for some more Mad Max/Rage type of gameplay but it looks like it suffers from a lack of content.

>>379250925
Because it cheapens the experience. Devs have to constantly add items to the cash shop that people will buy so you have a situation where you can't earn everything in game, and if that goes well and people don't mind buying things it incentivizes adding the better stuff to the cash shop while making the things earnable through regular content half assed, and when the player base starts to thin and people stop buying shit as frequently most games turn towards adding silly items which ruins it for anyone looking for any sort of immersion. The old days of sub2play with no cashshop are really ideal but their as dead as good ideas in the industry.

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>>379251017
>muh tradition

So things can't change? Selling cosmetics takes almost no effort, proven to work, and at least affords the player something in return for their money. Not to mention development for new content is cheaper and easier once all needed systems are in place so those monthly fees are just padding the companies accounts+stock.

>>379245564
>>379245707
Action MMORPG to me is kinda meh. Its good for the gook because everyone live on the same island and have the same 1 digit ping.
Looks at BDO, people already complaining because people at East Coast get 100ms+ while who reside at West Coast get ~30ms. It will be disadvantages for those who have high ping. Target based MMO is fine even someone have ~200ms ping.

>tfw fall back into maple

>>379234689
im in early access and ill just say youll regret it

>>379251869
>Darkfall

Was it good?

>>379246217
That creates a dynamic world. Either someone finds a more creative way to get rid of them, or eventually low levels start to riot, which always brings high levels in the end

I don't want just a game, I want a world. And as seen by your comment, thats what the gaming world has forgotten in MMOs. To modern devs a living world means shit like holiday events or generic pve skirmishes like FATEs in FFXIV. A living MMO should be created by the devs responding to the playerbase finding creative ways to use their sandbox, not by the playerbase responding to whatever the devs throw at you.
And I mean that as it shouldn't be only
>"Oh wow an unique monster has spawned near me, better go kill it, so dynamic!
Note that this is not a bad tool to make players interact with eachother and the world, but it should only be a tool, not the whole game

>>379247091
But like I just stated, these cool systems have already been done in MMOs, but they can't flourish because WoW will probably always be THE MMO, until it dies, so it doesn't give the other games room to expand on these ideas. Quite the opposite, it kills the games
>>379249876
It's hate from people expecting it to be something it's obviously not. The game is not hiding the fact that it's a grindy Korean MMO with pretty much no real PvE content besides the solo grind, and the only player interaction comes from PvP.

>>379238553
Mortal Online

complete free form crafting. result is based on which materials you use, how many you use, and the different parts you make combined

>>379252251
>Make an action MMORPG
>No poor people or subhumans can participate on a serious level
Sounds good to me

>>379251985
But WoW and FFXIV have subs
>>379251559
You just sound like somebody easily parted with their money is all. I get your B2P point now though. The other side to that coin is maybe the devs know AoC won't have that many people so they're fishing for whales upfront who don't mind both monthly sub fees and cash shop? The AoC kickstarter only has 19k backers but reached 3.2mil. Food for thought man, you never know with these people. That one guy having a background in a pyramid scheme doesn't help affirm their supposedly honest intentions.

>>379252380
it was clunky and buggy, but no game offered the same experience. It was like shadowbane sieges mixed with some fast ass twitch-based combat where you also had to juggle a shit ton of spells and abilities. i do not regret the time i spent in it at all

>>379252751
>nobody plays
sounds dead to me

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>>379251985
Not even a sub but it pretty annoying in GW 2
>new expansion release
>99 percent of the stuff look like shit
>they release a bunch of cashshop stuff same week the expansion was release
>looks a thousand times better than the expansion stuff
It even more annoying when they outright say they would stop making more legendary weapons because it too much effort, but had time to release a bunch of heavily detail costume/weapon pack in the cash shop. I'm still butthurt that they release what is arguably the most expensive weapons set in GW 1, the Tormented weapons, as fucking cash shop in GW 2.

>>379252985
People play online games that need great PCs

The only MMO combat I've enjoyed in years was in TERA. Looking to get back into things, any good action combat oriented games besides BnS? Tried it, the combat still felt too tab-targetty

>>379242818
Did you play with friends? Is BDO a game that you play with your friends together doing stuff together?

>>379253108
planet side 1

>Tfw no mmo where I can be an animal girl futa with a giant cock

>>379253185
try exiting puberty

>>379253158
I've only played 2, what are the differences? Had a decent amount of fun in it but it got way too P2W after a while

>>379246217
>>379252430
GM can just intervene by being a police or something ingame and hunt those griefer by put them to jail for like an hour. No need to ban them.
I remember playing a mmo called Voyage Century Online where you can be pirates but day by day, becoming pirate does not worth it because the admin made it not worth by increasing the punishment into the pirates.

>>379250246
>Russians come down and punch down your palisade and kill your whole village

Also Salem was fun. Same devs.

>>379253237
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heVzcmZU_w4

>>379252380
Yes and no. Parts of it were fantastic. Other parts were awful.
This is all just my opinion, so grain of salt:
The good:
>combat was very fun once you got used to it
>full loot, most everything is crafted
>huge huge world (too big)
>could play with a guild (smarter) and have a cool town, defend it, ally with other fags
>could go alone and die a lot but still be a dick
>lots of politics regarding alliances, territory
>pretty good AI, not perfect but goblins would have to actually see you before they run at you, not a set agro range

The bad:
>similar to UO, you have skills and raise them by using them. Not bad on it's own but led to macro'ing afk
>not similar to UO, there was no cap on what you could learn, so eventually you'd have max'd everything, making everyone and their gay dad a wizard who also polearms you and also he's a sniper too and a healer
>huge world so when pop got low was tough to find fights
>pve is there but almost meaningless outside of some mats or reagents or grinding skills/farming
>no consequences for just attacking anyone you see, or at least no meaningful consequences. A racial based alignment system that no one cared about, so similar to rust or dayz no reason to not attack whoever you run across assuming you think you'll win

The guild politics and the pvp was what made it a lot of fun, in my shitty opinion. The rest was medium. Huge world but not a ton to do in it besides ride to people you wanted to buttfuck. A sandbox but not a true one, as in everyone maxes out their character basically the same, and even the cool guild cities had set plots for where you put shit. You couldn't just find a cool location and plop a house down like SWG, for example.
One revival game is out now, "Darkfall: Rise of Agon", which is essentially old darkfall with some improvements. Another one is still being worked on, "Darkfall: New Dawn" and that is old Darkfall but with more UO inspired elements, like localized banking, less fast travel, etc.

>>379252607
So how people interact in the world? I mean, other players can see each other but can't do nothing together?

>>379229505
Played a WOTLK private server with the friends who introduced me to WoW, and got to 40 in 10 hours of game time.
Feels like old times, it's fucking beuatiful.

>>379253102
MMO engine still sucks because they need to cater the masses that have shit PC. Even if you have great PC, there is no way it can handle and render 100+ people at the same time.

Playing tibia again. Leveling a master sorcerer, level 104 right now and a royal paladin level 61.
Double loot weekend payed off

>>379250925
When the days of GW1 were counted.

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>>379235275
>>379235839

>I just want to play one that focus on exploration, making buddies and reading up quests in order to do them.

try lord of the rings online. the world is fuck huge.zone are gorgeous. theres a lot of cool lore for the lord of the ring universe. the game is based on the books and not the movies, so something will vary alot from what you saw in the movies.

you kinda have to read quests because the "quest helper" functionality is kind of vague. the community is really friendly and most of them are older people, theres always people RPing or organizing music or travel events.

classes excell at their primary job aka all classes have weaknesses and strenghts, no one class can do everything by themselves. this might be a pro or a con depending on personal taste. and they all have really unique features, like for example hunters can teleport the entire party to a waypoint in any zone. minestrels can teach other classes how to use different musical instruments,ect,ect.
theres a lot of world quests and even dailies that are geared around group play to encourage people to team up or just join kinships (guilds)

the game is great, theres enough content to keep you engaged for the better part of a year. the only downside is that after lvl 30 you either have to sub or buy quest packs and expansions to continue questing around the world.

I keep going back because the game has great atmosphere and the community is just amazing. yeah yeah, i know I sound like a damn shill, but its one of the few mmos that still have that old school feeling.

>>379253457
Thanks for the detailed posts.
Have you played the two revival projects? If so, is any of them good and would you recommend it?

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>>379252806
None of what you're saying makes sense.

For one thing, you seem to think Monthly subs are a scam. How? You get a service for a fee, and that fee prevents a lot of bullshit like:

>Third-worlders
>Kids
>P2W
>Minor updates
>Updates based around the cashshop

>You just sound like somebody easily parted with their money
What? Again, I'm a fucking penny-pincher. I play sub-bsaed games like WoW and FF XIV, and I play them enough and enjoy them enough to more than justify the $10-$15. I get more value from that fee than most "normal" games. Plus, unless you're fucking 13 or something, it's not a lot of money, it's not even an amount you think about, if you have a fucking job that is. I vastly prefer sub MMOs to F2P or B2P MMOs, the results speak for themselves.

>maybe the devs know AoC won't have that many people so they're fishing for whales upfront who don't mind both monthly sub fees and cash shop?
The most funded MMO of all-time doesn't have a big audience? Really? Plus you're acting like having a sub fee plus a cosmetic shop is odd, when every sub fee MMO has one too, WoW, XIV, etc.

>The AoC kickstarter only has 19k backers but reached 3.2mil.
3 really simple reasons for this:

1. MMO players are autists who are willing to pony up lots of money for their genre where good games are few and far between
2. Other games like Bloodstained and Pillars of Eternity only have more subs because the kickstarter rewards gave you shit at a lower tier: PoE gives you the entire fucking game at $20, and BS gives it to you at $28, meanwhile $25 into AoC only gets you a month of playtime and some exclusive shit
4. The Kickstarter backing for AoC was superfluous, the game was going to be made without it, the KS funds were just for extra polish. There was no reason to pledge unless you really cared, it was getting made regardless. The other games needed funding to get made at all. The incentive was more real.

>>379253108
It's a shame Bluehole is such an incompetent developer. It had great combat and nothing worthwhile to do with it. The PUBG players are in for a sore realization when the game updates never roll out.

>>379253808
>prevents p2w and updates based around the casshop

kek, but what would I expect from a weeb

>>379253280
Putting the "griefer" in jail is just like banning in modern MMOs, that's not what I'd like at all.

GMs/devs just wanna do the minimal job today and go "Oh, people are roleplaying as bandits by barricading places? We could for example give the players the tools to fight back, or wait for it to play itself out, since someone will help the underdogs, or the bandits will find that with their toll prices it's not worth it at all, or someone more fair will come along and take their place, or maybe we could make a system where you can put a bounty on people who do morally shady things ingame. Or we could just add a line of code that makes building furniture to barricade things impossible in the cities, that should fix it!"

Repeat this process a thousand times or so, and you got an extremely restricting, generic world where all you can do is run from one quest objective to another and maybe pvp a bit on the way. It stops being an immersive, dynamic world and it becomes "just" a game

>>379253310
I still have a character (and walled settlement if it hasn't been raided in the last year) in Salem but can't be arsed to play since no friends. At some point both Salem and Haven&Hearth turn into mindboggingly boring grind and there is no real progress and I drop out. Like I can only play them for a month or two and then drop.

>>379253864
Name a sub-based game with P2W and updates based around the cash shop?

>Complaining about "weebs" on /v/
wew

>>379246468
Yes, but who the fuck wants to grind on a private server that is liable at all times. The only benefit is that you get pearl items without paying from staying logged in. It's netcode is astoundingly bad compared to actual game.

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>>379253928
I'm the same with that sort of games sadly. In Salem especially grinding your gluttony shit making thousands of autumn delights and so on only to have a chance to get better. It's still fun when you first appear in the wilderness and start settling, probably the best part of that sort of games.

>be outside on a blood moon
>character goes insane
>does random shit, suddenly takes his clothes off and starts scratching which drains my blood
>had to jew the marketplace and find a cheap bear skin to make a fucking teddy bear to sleep with to lower the insanity level

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Want to start runescape but I'm afraid of being too late to start, also can't decide between osrs and newscape. Feels like the only thing I could play on my laptop

>>379254089
Consider this: in six months you will feel the same way, but you will be even later to the party.
Its like not going to the gym, because you missed out on going when you were younger.

I'd play black desert if you could loot without properly without buying 200 dollars of microtransactions

>>379253461
The stuff that actually requires group is so far off for a new player you will never actually hear about it until the moment you are actually ready.
PVP is about as close to group content as you get without creating content.

>>379253660
I haven't, but I've kept up a little bit on them. I'm more of a sandbox fag and those were my main complaints about Darkfall so I was waiting for New Dawn to get closer.
The last I read, people were having fun in Rise of Agon, and honestly having two splinter projects of an already niche game could mean that there won't be enough of a playerbase for either.
So I couldn't say which is better, but Rise of Agon is actually out. There is a recent reddit post that has people listing the differences between the projects that you could look at.
>https://www.reddit.com/r/Darkfall/comments/6ebubl/which_darkfall_should_i_be_playing_i_heard_the/
Be aware that the thread will have shilling and counter-shilling as some of the players are very firmly in one camp or the other, but still some helpful info in there.

>>379253970
is this the part where you guys start to argue at what isn't pay2win and what is pay2win for 9 hours with one of you taking pay2win literally

>>379253461
Basically.
The game is divided into 3 big parts

>The grind
It's the dumbest thing you can do, to party up to grind, since the xp share makes it like 5 times less efficient. Also the pace of your movement from one mob to another is so fast on most classes (until the lategame where it might take like 12 secs to kill a mob instead of 4) that the other player can't keep up with your intentions

>Jobs
Very time consuming, like everything in the game. Like RS, you fish or cook or farm or breed/train horses or hunt for hours straight with no way of player interaction

>PvP
This is where the interaction comes from. The game offers great possibilities for both duels and large scale pvp. The only reason to really join guilds is so you can do larger scale pvp to fight for the control of different areas

There's also some bosses you can summon that probably need more than 1 player to kill endgame, that drop bis gear, but that's about it. All trading happens via the auction house too.

There might be something I'm missing since I'm only lvl 45, but I haven't heard of any other group content lategame

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Asheron's Call private servers.

>>379254075
The big problem with these games is that they completely ignore the societal level and only implement the material goods. There isn't really any real reason to band up with people since you can in practice achieve everything by yourself.

>>379254132
You could just get base pets instead of throwing money away trying to upgrade them. You could sit at the marketplace during the time you're bitching to bid on pets rather then buy them.

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>>379254128
damn you're right

>>379244918
Problem is that MMOs have lost their appeal. Hell, modern ones try to actually downplay the Massively part in their pursuit of better graphics and not to mention persistency and online interactions have become the norm in online games regardless of genre. Basically, MMORPG's hook and doesn't fascinate people anymore like it did 10+ years ago.

>>379237109
Tell Crim - Gurt.

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So my friend just bought me FFXIV what am I in for?

This is my first MMO. I've always wanted to be part of the MMO experience but have never had the time or energy to do it and seeing as that I have at least two months to neet it up in between contracts I have more time on my hands than I can account for.

>>379252751
they're the ones who keep MMOs alive though

as much as I hate interacting with them they're a necessary evil

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tfw you will never experience wow for the first time ever again

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>>379254159
Probably. Especially since he use the good ol' "nit-pick minor-points instead of addressing the whole argument" and "call me a weeb because i posted anime tiddy on an anime image-board" tricks.

>>379254248
It's always quicker to do things with others around, though. Divide your chores or anything. One guy goes fishing, other cuts the trees down and gets them on that shitty sled back to your village, stuff like that. And when the russians come it's always better to not be alone.

Wish there were more games similar to those but more fleshed out. I feel like I tried everything in that genre, Wurm included which took a good portion of my life

>>379254198
>There might be something I'm missing since I'm only lvl 45, but I haven't heard of any other group content lategame
>I'm only lvl 45

Start doing life skills, don't make the giant fuck up of ignoring them, they end up being the best money in the game hands down. Research and collect virtually fucking EVERYTHING.

>>379254159
You mean like in the good old days where you had to use cash shop to play in the lategame?

>>379254408
>And when the russians come it's always better to not be alone.

I was actually never raided by Russians as hermit but EVERY single settlement I had been part of were raided some time after I left them. Joining up with people just makes you a bigger, juicier target.

>>379254423
I never said I'm not doing them

I heard you shouldn't be a jack of all trades though

>>379254509
Fair point, since usually when there's only one-man settlement it generally doesn't have anything that valuable. I still hoarder silvers like a jew should, exploring a lot to find some indian feathers. That was actually fun.

>>379253872
I agree with this 100%.
More tools is always the coolest answer but unfortunately doesn't happen often, as like you said it's far easier to simply restrict the player.
>>379253928
Are you me?
I've gone back to H&H for every new world and love the newer game even if I miss the old charm of the 2d, but it gets mind-numbing after about two months and it starts to feel like a huge chore. And then whoever I'm playing with start to drop out and at that point there's no way I can keep it up.
The feeling of getting a palisade up in a sweet spot is so good tho, and the few weeks of working with a ragtag group in a mini-village is awesome, even if their autism gets really old.

>>379254553
You can be if you got enough time, but the truth of the matter is you end up doing it anyways. You gotta find the balance to burn to 60 as soon as possible for the pvp hold out then go to town working on life skills until your soul stops working for the billions you'll actually need so you won't be stuck grinding mobs indefinitely for chump change.

>>379254347
youre in for dont ask 4chan and just play it you dingus, 4chan is full of bad opinions and falsehoods. go form your own opinion of it and dont let this shit-heap influence you.

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I want a game where I can have a completely self-sufficient character who can make money and gear himself up through crafting, without having to worry about grinding for top tier gear.

Is there a game like this? Only Star Wars Galaxies and Wurm come to mind.

>>379254758
You can do this in black desert, being a life skiller allows you to truly control your income gains and effectively gear up in best in slot via rolling night vendor and camping markets with your billions in funds.

>>379253808
B2P keeps those types out as well and I think Star Citizen is the most funded MMO on kickstarter. Hey all I'm saying is maybe these things right here

>PoE gives you the entire fucking game at $20 meanwhile $25 into AoC only gets you a month of playtime and some exclusive shit
>I'm a fucking penny-pincher but I play sub-based games like WoW and FF XIV
>Steven Sharif was involved in a pyramid scheme and AoC has a referral program that earns players money
>19k backers payed 3.2mil for unnecessary additions to the game even though, "There was no reason to pledge unless you really cared"
>Already saying it's going to be a subscription MMO with a cosmetic cash shop (being upfront with a harder to swallow payment option
>Ashes of Creation might be a scam/disaster, but I backed it anyway and it was my first kickstarter pledge to boot. I'm desperate.

should be red flags to you. To me this just screams whale fishing.

>>379254347
>first MMO
You're in for a wild ride, with a pure mindset. Enjoy your time.

>>379253808
>P2W
>Minor updates
>Updates based around the cashshop

doesn't WoW have all of these?

I used to P2P for aion and rift but I never felt like I was getting my money's worth
The worst thing about P2P is that it feels like you have to play a much as possible so you're not wasting your money, that's more of a personal thing

>>379254758
What would you do with that gear then? If you gear yourself via crafting, there's no incentive to do any PvE content. It would have to be a PvP game then, but why have something as slow paced (and often grindy) as crafting then?

>>379254509
Are Russians really that big of a threat? What happens if you have a Russian in your settlement? Do they just ignore it? Is it a hivemind thing?

Playing Windstar cause it's free on steam

Im actually enjoying leveling alot which is surprising

Anyone else played it?

>>379255045
I did and I got bored a level before hitting the cap. It has a few fun aspects but doesn't have the "IT" factor for me. Housing was very good though.

>>379246392
proof

>>379254991
Russian hivemind is very real. They always form their own insular collectives in games and are hostile towards everyone else. And since botting is a thing in H&H and Salem they just balloon out of control.

Hell, world 4 of H&H even had White Death Army to fight Russians infesting the northern parts of the world.

>>379254980
Sell it or use it to outfit the friends that I make.

Use the funds to buy a guild hall and then start a city.

That's what I tried (and failed) to do in SWGEmu. People flake out of guilds after two or three days and then you never see them again.

>>379254917
>B2P keeps those types out

I don't think so. Very much like with subscriptions people still think it's early days of MMOs when people were still weary about it all. Noways practically everyone has a credit card and can buy a game for less through sites like G2A and alike. There's also cryptocurrencies.

>>379255094
Have you played H&H before they introducted the new learning system which made you inspect/learn items to get learning points?

Because before that you could get +1lp for one digging action. People botted the absolute shit out of that and becamse rape machines. Especially ruskies.

>>379255139
So you want a game focused on the economy? Why bother with the gearing up mechanic then?

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>>379255045
It's a good time waster, but why would you play a dead game? Wildstar can at best recycle old events and offer some re-skins here and there. Out of all NCsoft games on the offer right now it's the likeliest one to get axed soon.

>>379255259
So I can be ready to kill opposing factions or hostile guilds.

>>379252806
>But WoW and FFXIV have subs
I never said anything about either of those. I said that the old method of subs without a cashshop was best

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>>379255298
I miss SWG : (

>>379235275
nope only hope is those scammed mmos like camelot unchained

>>379255298
I'd say play Eve then, but the game has a huge possibilities and almost no restrictions, so guess what happens? It becomes like real life.

None of the big boys want to do anything but sit on their piles of gold, since why would you ever wanna wage war and lose gazillions of credits? No one wins. So there's no possibility to expand, or you just get crushed either by a big corporation, or you're made a pawn in a proxy war where both proxies just lose.

>b-but what about that one big war I heard of, I heard they hundreds of thousands of IRL dollars!
An anomaly

>>379255045
I played during beta and at launch.
It was pretty fun at first but it slowly became more and more clear that the devs were way in over their heads.
Pretty sure the game is totally dead now, which is sad.

>>379255578
Pretty sure the Bloodbath was staged by the devs as a publicity stunt

>>379235275
Chronicles of elyria my dude, i believe it will be the next big thing

But its still a long way ahead sadly.

>>379238468
It's really not.

i have never ever played an mmorpg
i want to try. please recommend me a free to play mmorpg and give tips on how to play it

>>379255676
>implying it will ever be released

It's gonna be DayZ tier cashgrab, nothing else.

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>>379255534
>mfw only MMORPG where regular players were afraid crafters and traders had too much power in the game

playing wow lately, just hit 110 with my hunter 2 days ago (i guess 10th alt now?!) and its surprisingly a great class. i am really having a lot of fun these days with the game. the only downside is now i have to grind legendaries in order to do good dps.

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Playing current niche fotm. The PvP is awesome, probably the best PvP I've ever experience in an MMO. Love the action based combat. It's the closet thing that'll get to a cuhrayzee MMO.

>>379254382
Bittersweet feel.
While I started playing during TBC's launch, I think my favorite period in the game's lifespan was WoTLK when fucking everybody and their grandma was playing WoW. I miss chilling in a guild with irl friends.
Never really got into hardcore raiding which I kind of regret. It saddens me that I missed out on stuff like Karazhan and Ulduar when they were in their prime.

>>379255691
There's plenty of different experiences
Most free to play MMOs are grindy koreashit or p2w
There's a ton of older MMOs that are free to play now with no p2w, but most of them are pretty hard to access. Maybe try getting into WoW private servers, now that the hype is still kinda going. They're old but the mechanics are up to date, since we're still doing the same things in MMOs that WoW originally did

>>379230906
Dude. I think we are same same.

>>379255749
I have faith in it. Also considering donating.

You cannot stomp my faith, big nosed man

>>379255791
This just looks like budget BDO combat

>>379255759
How to win at SWGEmu

>make 10 accounts
>wait 365 days
>acquire the veteran reward "Anti-Decay Kit"
>sell for 10~ million a pop

You now have 100 million (or more) credits. Buy out all of the swordsman speed tapes you can find. Sell them for more than you paid for.

>>379255772
What spec?
I've tried to get back into my hunter but I don't find it that fun anymore. BM seems brain dead, MM is okay-ish, and survival just feels clunky compared to other melee classes.

>>379255852
If I was a big nosed man I'd encourage you to buy it, though.

>tfw actually bought Gloria Victis
regret.jpg

>>379255898
What's BDO? There's no way you comparing that to Black Desert Online's ground based AOE combat that focuses on Stafe (A/D key) attacks.

I've been chasing for a comfy MMO for a while. I really enjoy exploration in Eve online, but unfortunately the progression in the game is retarded to the point it's just too frustrating to be worth doing. And I don't even mean SP, I mean ships. You either have really cheap garbage or really expensive OP shit, but there's absolutely no middle ground.

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>>379255934
i actually really liked BM. i want to go MM route as well but my dps is like 100k low compared to BM so i stick with BM right now. i am probably doing something really wrong.

you should tinker with talents if you really want to have fun with BM i guess, like dire beast is a pretty boring talent but make it dire frenzy and it turns into pretty fun skill, stuff like that.

survival is pretty clunky thats right, wish they just went back to dot based survival back in wod, it was very nice imo.

pic related are my talents. friend says i should use way of the cobra but my focus regen is quite low to sufficiently spam cobra shot + kill command nonstop.

i ll also probably switch from volley to murder of crows. but other than that, i can dish out 350-370k-ish sustained dps at 860 ilvl. its pretty good and fun.

>>379236986
P2W is really not there. The only thing thats kinda p2w is a suit that hides your nametag, but that's a very minimal thing.

p2look cute is a problem though, not gonna lie.

There's also a ton of cash shop items that make your life easier, but the thing with BDO is that it's truly a game where the journey is the game, not trying to get to a certain level. Sure, real PvP opens at 50+ lvl, but that's just a small part of the game. You need to explore and do random quests to get extra skillpoints, you need to level cooking to make food to increase your hp (and you can only eat food every 30 minutes), and you need to build a worker empire and fish to efficiently level cooking as well, but to build a worker empire you need special points you also get from exploring and doing random quests, and to effectively travel between cities to keep your worker empire up you should also get horses since they have a stamina bar that regenates very slowly, so you'll probably need 1 horse in every city, but you might wanna get better at horse training, catching and breeding as well to get good horses. But this all takes money which you'll get from doing other jobs as well. And eventually you wanna make a boat to travel to islands for better materials and grind And the list goes on... And these are things you wanna start doing as you level, not just get fast lvl 50, since that means absolutely nothing.

what are some good mmo's that aren't p2w

>>379256528
None

>>379256239
Yeah, I might give it another chance. I noticed that they made feathermanes a tameable pet family now which is cool, I've wanted a pet hippogryph since vanilla.
I guess I'm just not happy with the current state of a lot of the ranged classes in general. The only ones I enjoy atm are frost mage and ele shaman. Legion seems like a very melee oriented expac.

>>379256528
The ones with subs

>>379254917
>Star Citizen is the most funded MMO on kickstarter.
SC made $2,134,374, AoC made well over 3 million

>PoE gives you the entire fucking game at $20 meanwhile $25 into AoC only gets you a month of playtime and some exclusive shit
Why are you quoting my own argument at me? Do you think it's logically inconsistent or something? Again, you're making it seem like you don't play MMOs, because you seem to think their standard practice is scammy. Plus, my initial post wasn't arguing about the value of AoC, just whether or not it's a scam.

>I'm a fucking penny-pincher but I play sub-based games like WoW and FF XIV
Again? What? I gave you my reasoning and stand by it. I get dozens of hours a month playing an MMO, versus only a few from an indie or AA game.

>Steven Sharif was involved in a pyramid scheme and AoC has a referral program that earns players money
And? He also has legitimate businesses too? He's a sperg funding his dream MMO. Plus that wouldn't explain the involvement of tons of normal devs. Why would he put in all this effort (buying a studio, hiring actual devs, making actual gameplay footage, making legitimate designs, putting himself on camera, etc just to POSSIBLY make a portion of possibly 2,000,000? Doesn't make sense.

>19k backers payed 3.2mil for unnecessary additions to the game even though, "There was no reason to pledge unless you really cared"
Is there a conflict in this statement to you? The game was going to be made either way, so people who really cared put in money to ensure it got more features/polish and that they'd get some cosmetic, special bullshit in return.

>Already saying it's going to be a subscription MMO with a cosmetic cash shop (being upfront with a harder to swallow payment option)
Not a scam, it's the industry standard. If they were interested in scamming they'd say the were B2P or entirely F2P to attract poor-fags and kids.

>Ashes of Creation might be a scam/disaster..
Any kickstarter could be a scam/disaster

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>>379256528
XIV
Runescape in Ironman mode.

That's about it.

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What am I in for?

>>379256850
Disappointment and level scaling

>>379256850
dissapointment

>>379255162
>not bucket botting
I fucking hate loftar and jorb for not punishing bots, to the point where I made my own bots that kill other bots.

>>379254935
>Minor updates
WoW/XIV have minor updates but they're parts of HUGE updates. Meanwhile B2P games never deliver large, meaningful content because it doesn't make them money. Look at GW2 and TESO. TESO literally never delivered meaningful content and TESO did but charged $5-$10 a pop and called it DLC. Now both games caved and made Expansions for $60 because they (and their audience) realized the B2P model didn't work for delivering content.

>Updates based around the cashshop
WoW/XIV might add a new mount or something to their cashshop, but a majority of B2P MMOs revolve around them entirely.

>>379256850
Joy and Wonder that lead to disappointment

God tier movement, art design, zones, and music belie a game that is flawed at its core because it has awful, awful combat.

>>379256848
XIV is just another WoW clone with slightly better combat, great music and way less content though.
Just another game where you breeze through the game to get to max level, then raidlog and do your dailies

>>379232824
catch and release = fish don't feel pain

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>>379257037
>XIV is just another WoW clone with slightly better combat, great music and way less content though.

Okay.

How does this not make it fit "good and not p2w."

He asked.

>>379257139
Not a good MMO.

>>379234565
>>379234467
A couple thousand hours in PSO, several hundred in PSO2; I couldn't ever go back now, The game's very much a product of its time.

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>>379257139
Only mmo's currently worth playing are
>FFXIV
>WoW if you're anti weeb
>dragon's dogma online if you can stomach the fan-made translation issues

>>379257297
FFXIV is probably the least worse mmo on the market that has a decent playerbase.

>>379257139
because its a fucking wow clone u ding dong

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>>379256968
>TESO literally never delivered meaningful content and TESO did but charged $5-$10 a pop and called it DLC. Now both games caved and made Expansions for $60 because they (and their audience) realized the B2P model didn't work for delivering content.
Are you insane?

>>379254198
How much have you been playing so far to get to lvl 45? Are you playing alone or with friends?

>>379229505
pvp in lotro is such a fucking mess right now
either spend tons of $$$ and time to be high rank or get destroyed by some random warg or hunter

oh and zerging doesn't help either

>>379257546
I tried it briefly in a group, but it's really problematic so it was not worth. I probably have like 30 hours played, but there's the whole double xp thing going on

What's the best MMO to pick up with 3-4 friends right now? Less weeb is better

Are there any MMOs that don't fall for the autismal PvP/Raid bullshit?

>>379254347
>accept quest
>go this place on the other side of the zone and use an object
>surprise fauna attacks!
>kill the fauna
>walk back to the quest giver
You will do this over and over again for a very, very long time. I can't claim forever because I got the fuck out while I could but just understand that while this is common in MMOs, it was nearly every single quest in the roughly ten hours I played.

>>379257462
Are you? I'm saying that as someone who actually likes TESO. Blackmarsh, Gold Coast, etc. were all paid content.